HSwMS Sverige - Guide 054 (Human Voice)
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- The Sverige class, coastal battleships of the Swedish Navy, are today's subject.
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Hi. I love your channel! I know you've done a guide on the North Carolina Class, but I was wondering if you'd do a guide on the USS Washington, since the Second Naval Battle of Guadalcanal was the only time in the entire Pacific Campaign in which one battleship single-handedly sank an enemy battleship in a gun duel. Also interesting is that the battle was one of the first in which radar-directed gunnery had such a decisive impact. Also a plus is that "Washington" is pretty easy to pronounce for us English-speakers.
I recently built a model of a Polish gunboat called the "General Haller" . Any chance of a video on this vessel.?
This leads me to wonder - what was the strength of the Norwegian navy in 1939, and would there have been an equivalent deterrent effect of similar coastal defence battleships if that nation had possessed them? In other words, what might the scenarios be when Hitler was deciding whether or not to invade the country?
Since many of the requests are the moral equivalent of “if the Incredible Hulk was blue rather than green how would this affect his power (and can a Red Hulk beat a Yellow Hulk?), how do you respond to such as this without insulting the questioner or losing your mind?
Not that I would ask such a thing, and how is the HMS Pinafore review coming? (blinks) (avoids eye contact)
What happened to the Finnish navy after WWII
"Now I'm speaking in English I I can mess it up in allsorts of new and interesting ways!" XD Dont ever change Drach
My favourite butchered name remains “Gneisen-how”. :D
@@RayyMusik And the CA-132 and ZRS-5 dirigible "USS May-KON" It's "MAY-ken" (rhymes with bacon)
FIDO torpedo?
As a swede i can confirm that you did an excellent job pronouncing HMS Drottning Victoria and HMS Gustav V. HMS Sverige i will give a 7/10 but still far better than expected XD Great job as always!
Yeah, far from perfect, but better than most. Seal of approval. :)
So the first ship of the class was basically crowd funded. That gives me an idea...
Steve W that’s what used to be the norm in Sweden back at our time as a great power. While Sweden almost encircled the Baltic crowdfunding ships was a normal regular thing
HMS Agincourt was also Crowdfunded by the Ottoman Empire, but was then Seized by the Royal Navy During WW1 before it could be delivered.
The crowd funding campaign resulted in so much money, that they in addition to the ship, could build a drydock in central Stockholm (the GV dock at Beckholmen) and three tug boats to tend the three battleships. At least two of the tugs still exists. One of them, "Sprängaren" is being restored to it's original appearance. "Harding" was being used as a commercial tug as late as a decade ago.
@@JH-lo9ut As far as i checked on Vessel finder if it's 1918 tug , Harding is still operational.
@@HrothgarHeavenlight "Active" as in "actively contributing to the indian scrap metal industry"?
;)
Heja Svea ! When I was a kid, my mom took me to see the last Swedish Navy destroyer when it came to San Francisco on tour. The Swedish navy is interesting because they built ships in their own shipyards to suit their own particular needs. Sweden did not need to buy ships from foreign builders and their ship designs reflect local needs. From The S-tank, all the Saab jets to the Visby class corvettes, Sweden has always been able to build to suit their own terrain and strategies.
Strangely, we have our own military industrial complex. With very deep roots, going back to the 17th century. Alfred Nobel was an expression of this complex in the 19th century. It is such a shame how the globalists have destroyed us.
Wonderful ships that dont get the credit they deserve....shame one wasn't preserved as a museum.
A fate they shared with the vast majority of warships from that period in history, which is really a shame
@@theguyeverybodylikes9667 I could name 25 ships right away I wish had been preserved.
@@admiraltiberius1989 which ships then (i'm interested to see the list)?
Some of their 15cm gun turrets still survive in an unexpected place, the deep forests of northern Sweden. When the ships were decommissioned their light and medium batteries were removed and either mounted on other ships or in the case of the 15cm cannon were incorporated into the so called 'Kalix line" which was a series of fortified artillery positions close to the land border with Finland. A lot of naval artillery ended up with a 2nd life this way and were in service to the 1990s
@@theguyeverybodylikes9667 at least one each of the Littorio, Richelieu, Queen Elizabeth, Colorado, Clemson, La Fantasque, Black Swan, Dreadnought herself, USS Saratoga, Vanguard, USS New Orleans the heavy cruiser, USS Enterprise(both the carriers) one of the T class submarines, the USS Franklin, Derrflinger, Tiger and lastly the HMS Victorious and HMS Ark Royal.
I'm listing ships ships that were scrapped and not lost in battle.
So that means my list of Japanese ships was very thin.
It's interesting to have historical evidence that the vessels proved to be an affective deterrence.
You should be grateful that there aren't Ä or Ö
Slow down, Drach, there's barely time to watch the previous video before the next is coming out!
lol
So there I am busy doing important work. Up pops a video from Drach. Well. it's only a couple of minutes long. Not like it's his Sunday Drydock which often means me taking a lunch break half way through. Okay then. I'll watch it.
Having watched it, back to work. No wait. Another video from Drach. Well I can take another few minutes off. Then up pops a third and fourth video. Again only a mater of moments so why not. So having watched them I am now sat here trying to remember what the hell it was I was doing.
It is your fault for not already having watched all other of his videos thus you were overly tempted to watch yet another film.
Im glad you pointed out how the navy impacted swedish "neutrality". Many people seem to think that we live in a time of perpetual peace, and that we therefore should demilitarize. Nowhere is this more true than in modern sweden, which was one of the few countries whose military industry ESCALATED after world war 2, and kept mandatory conscription until 2016 or something... It spent a huge chunk of its wealth on military equipment in order to keep its neutrality, and this is the essence of the point im trying to make here:
Neutrality only works when you have a deterrent. Sure, the germans could have invaded sweden during world war 2 for their natural resources, but it would be very costly compared to what could be gained, while also giving up on a lot of their momentum in the war.
The german navy at the start of world war 2 could not contest that of great britain, but a big navy requires a lot of fuel, and so the germans, after consolidating power in europe, turned their attention to the colonies, where a lot of important strategic resources were produced and exported from. The idea was to take control of these while slowly shifting their focus towards building up a naval and air force that could rival that of the uk, all the while starving the british war machine of critical supplies. Now to manufacture ships, you need iron and coal, so sweden was a logical target for the germans, however keeping control over the supply line of a country as large as sweden, when the great mines of "kiruna" reaches into the arctic circle... that's gonna require a lot of infrastructure and manpower to extract. Both of which the swedish have. Now, if you invade them, the first thing they're gonna do once the battle has been lost, is to sabotage important infrastructure, and you're gonna need to force people to work for you, so you need to dedicate a bunch of dudes to policing the occupied states - men with guns who could've been used elsewhere.
So basically, you need to mobilize 2 armies to invade a country, one to enforce its occupation.
On top of that, sweden might as well be an island, as far as the germans were concerned. Therefore, invasions need to be supplied by sea. Supplying an army with equipment is often a logistical nightmare, and is the single most important factor for success in large-scale, industrial warfare. Not having firm control of the sea means supplying an entire army be becomes impossible. Therefore, an invasion would be too difficult to be worthwhile, which is what enables neutrality of certain countries.
Deterrent.
Now, what happened in ww2 was that sweden kept its market open to everyone, as it has done through many crisises where other nations did not. However, after the sacking of norway, the only way for trade to reach the global market by sea, was through the baltic archipelago of denmark, where the germans would then reel it in. Another part of the grand strategy of the axis. So even though sweden on paper would sell to anyone who would buy their goods, germany and the soviet union were the only ones who they could actually deliver their goods to.
Now, anyone who knows all of this and goes "oh, i guess we dont need a military then, cause we can just negotiate and stuff"... Thats not how real life works. If you have something someone else wants, and they are involved in a war, they will take all they can. all they can...
In summary, critisizing the defense industry because "we're never going to use those fighter jets and those tanks and whatnot" , is hypocritical and counterproductive. If you are easy to invade, it will happen sooner or later. If you are easy to invade AND you have something someone else wants, you WILL get invaded.
Keep your eyes on the middle east, north africa, and south-eastern asia in the coming decades...
Very good post. You make a lot of sense. Most that have common sense would say "yes, what you said is obvious." But not everyone has common sense enough to figure that out. And evidently the Germans realized quickly that it would be much easier to buy from Sweden rather than try to invade.
@@kennethdeanmiller7324 I would agree that "it is obvious to people with common sense" ... *if* you actually stop and *think* about it for a second... However, most people would rather just regurgitate whatever they read in the news. In fact, I'd go as far as to say everyone does, to an extent. After all, if you were to analyze everything you hear and read in the news, it would be a full time job, and this is a long-standing criticism of democracies in general.
Everyone can't make informed decisions about every single issue that affects elections, and thus we must vote based on ideology instead 🧭
... and pray that the people in power are not completely incompetent 😅🤐
Imagine if some country came out with a modern version of these good looking ships.
With electromagnetic rail guns and anti-aircraft lasers.
@@TheMonthlyJack Maybe it should fly in space, too...
@@lukedogwalker lets leave that for japan
Just say "the United States". Like anyone else would ever do such a thing.
@@richardm3023 *Laughs in Almaz*
👍For some of the best pronunciations of those words to ever come out of an English man's mouth
So...what you are (indirectly) saying is these might be the most costs-efficient, capital ships EVER constructed.
And it sounds like you would be right.
0:33 "Previously, the text-to-speech was damning the Swedish language for tying it up in pretzels trying to pronounce the word "Sverige" correctly.
Now I'm speaking in English. I have a microphone. I can mess it up in all sorts of new and interesting ways. Anyway."
Thanks @Drachinifel I think you can soon be regarded fluent in Swedish it's a shame that none of the Sverige-class was preserved as a museum, its was actually discussed but sadly turned down. Fun fact, as the Sverige-class had more in common with a dreadnought ship than the earlier coastal monitors the swedish shipyards lacked experience in such a ship, however that was solved with some industrial espionage. In the US naval industry several qualified engineers had swedish-style names and belonged to the large swedish dispora in the US (from the 19'th century emigration from Sweden to US). Some of them heard the voice from the ancient motherland and even one of the leading engineers in the US dreadnought program took on a position as chief engineer in the Sverige-class program. It was said to be no coincidence if some design details looked suspiciously alike details on the USSTexas and USS NewYork.
Did I hear him say....torpedo boats?
Probably, Sweden invested heavily in torpedo boats, later converting the larger classes into very fast Anti-ship missile boats.
But are they Japanese?
Sweden bought alot of Italian Ships.
@@Zretgul_timerunner Four destroyers, in fact. Some, but not 'a lot'. The did also buy fighterplanes from Italy, after USA put down an embargo an all weapons export to other nations than the UK, and thus left Sweden with only 60 of the 264 ordered planes delivered.
@@LarS1963 Your clearly not read into it Nearly half our actual torpedo boats where of the MAS1934 class...
Contrary to what seems to be implied, Finland was not in league with Germany at the time of the German invasion of Norway in the Spring of 1940. Finland had just survived the Winter War with Russia and was pretty much alone, since the small number of Swedish and Allied volunteers had left for home while Russia was still in league with Germany via the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, thus effectively sealing Finland off from any possible help from the Western Powers. Finland did later allow Germany to supply its troops in northern Norway via Finland, but this did not render it any less "independent" than Sweden before the situation was changed by the German attack on Russia in the summer of 1941. Considering that Germany pretty well had the Baltic bottled up once it held Denmark and Norway, it would have had no need to invade Sweden as there was little chance that Sweden would be invaded by the Allies (as might have happened with Norway) or that it would renounce its neutrality and join the Allies in its present situation. Germany could easily have invaded Sweden across the border from Norway with no need for naval actions and/or across the narrow strait from Denmark with support from strong coastal batteries that would have kept the Sewdish Navy at bay, but it would have been an unnecessary waste of resources that were needed elsewhere.
Love the naval history of Scandiavia and especially the naval operations ins the baltic sea. Sadly they are usually brushed off as being unimportant. But as these ships show that is far from the truth. Sweden is continuing this millitary design tradition today with the innovative Visby. A small ship that can hide in littorial areas and can very well punch above its own weight class.
The most geopolitically important place in northern Europe is Öresund. It is the chokepoint of the access to the world markets for over 100 million people.
Fantastic plz do more on the Swedish navy
My favorite class of coastal defence battleship, thank you for the informative video!
That illuminated quite well an interesting "vignette" within the larger picture of WW2 naval affairs.
I was quite unaware of the deterrent effect these ships had on a possible sea invasion of Sweden.
I appreciate your efforts to bring this somewhat obscure history to the attention of your viewership.
Well done Master Drach.
There are only 3 salvageable coastal battleships in the world - SMS Agir ( scuttled in 1929 on Gotland Island ), the Graf Spee ( Panzerschiff / Cruiser scuttled in 1939 in the River Plate ). HMVS Cerberus ( Scuttled in Half Moon Bay, 1924 ) a Coastal Monitor which is kinda like a battleship is also salvageable.
Graf Spee was a heavy cruiser abomination.
@@mcpuff2318 I didn't know Agir was scrapped , i thought it simply sank into the shallows - gotta check again - Graf Spee ( Deutschland Class ) was similar to the Finnish Väinämöinen Class of coastal defense ships but heavier.
When I was a kid I read a story about a fictional Monitor whose Motto was "With Courage and Fortitude, Press On", participated in D-day and ended up in an A-Bomb test. Was there a real ship or some ships that this story was based on?
So Germany planned to invade the nation with the most powerful navy on earth at the time, so long as they won air superiority, yet were put off invading Sweden because of 3 midget battleships, each approximately the size of a Leander class small light cruiser.
TBH, the RN was past its glory days with aging ships that might have had fundamental design flaws in them that made them easy pickings for plunging fire or dive bombers. (See Hood vs Bismarck, and try to look past the "lucky shot" myth.) Invading Brittain would have been costly to Germany, but with air superiority they would probably have succeeded. Same thing with Sweden, with air superiority they would have taken out these "midget battleships" (with guns and armor that would give even the Scharnhorst a match), but engaging them with cruisers of destroyers without air superiority would have been a bad idea.
Besides, Britain was a more valuable target and had a higher priority.
@@gsmurfen74 I agree that it was past its glory days, but that’s mostly because in its prime the Royal Navy was approximately as powerful as every other navy on earth (curtesy of the many donations by the French navy). Even in its (relative) decline, it can still be the most powerful navy in the world, and certainly far more so than the Kriegsmarine. 4 modern capital ships does not suddenly make them a match, especially when 2 of those are armed with 11” guns so can’t even match a clapped-out R-class, the weakest of the RN’s battleships... So try to look past the “invincible German battleships” myth.
Operation Sealion was meant to be in September 1940, so Tirpitz wouldn’t be commissioned for another year, and while Bismarck and King George V were technically in service, it was by a matter of weeks, so unlikely either would take part. (And yes, it wasn’t only the Kriegsmarine that had modern battleships in WW2…)
So that leaves the Kriegsmarine with 2 Scharnhorst class battleships; 2 Hipper and 2 Deutschland class heavy cruisers; 2 Leipzig, 1 Konigsberg and 1 Emden class light cruisers; 12 destroyers (after losing half of them taking Norway) and an assortment of torpedo boats.
The Royal Navy, by comparison, has Hood and 2 Renown class battlecruisers; 2 Nelson, 5 Queen Elizabeth and 4 Revenge class battleships; 2 York, 13 County and 3 Hawkins class heavy cruisers; 2 Crown colony, 2 Dido, 10 Town, 4 Arethusa, 8 Leander, 2 Emerald, 8 Danae class light cruisers (of the inter-war types) and I’m not even going to count the numbers of destroyers, but there are A LOT. And then the fleet carriers Illustrious, Ark Royal, Furious and Eagle.
The Kriegsmarine wasn’t even in the same league in terms of numbers, even if some of their classes were slightly superior, but quantity has a quality all of its own, so even just counting the modern ships, I’d definitely take the 5x King George V class ships over 4x Bismarck class battleships, let alone 2 Bismarck and 2 Scharnhorst class.
With regards to “lucky shot”, so much of all engagements is “luck”. ‘Luck’ just means something improbable happening, just like it was “luck” that the torpedo hit Bismarck’s rudder or Prince of Wales’ propeller support etc. If you don’t like the term ‘luck’ just think of it as a 'probability'. Ie what is the probability that a shell from a salvo fired from a given distance and direction will hit the ship (in the first place but also) in a place where the shell can defeat the armour and do significant damage.
You mention plunging fire but at the range of the salvo that sank Hood (about 14.4km), the often criticized 3” of deck armour Hood had would be more than enough to repel Bismarck’s shells, in fact, it should be enough to protect Hood within 18km. Likewise, we know Captain Kerr steered Hood to expose her rear guns, but considering she was still trying to close with Bismarck when she was hit, we can infer that she was at a relatively steep angle to the Bismarck, which means that her 12” belt at a 12 degree vertical angle (plus a 9.8 degree fall of shot) would likely be effectively more than double its nominal thickness and likewise should have been proof against Bismarck’s shells. So logically the only place it can have penetrated is through the upper belt and then either set a fire that spread or also went through the deck slopes into the magazine directly.
But interestingly for all the stick it gets for having such a flaw in the design, the Germans essentially copied the design, deck slope flaw and all. It was beefed up for sure, but the design was basically the same.
And then there is airpower… Which in 1940 was not the all-destroying force it would become by the end of the war and has been since. Germany planned to use mostly medium bombers in the level bombing role, since they had no torpedo bombers, and the Ju 87’s payload was very limited so they couldn’t even carry an armour-piercing bomb, being limited to 250kg general-purpose HE (not really a threat to a battleship) not to mention basically no training against fast-moving and manoeuvring shipping. It’s probably that they would have managed to hit something the size and speed of a battleship (though see the anti-shipping trials conducted by the USA for how difficult even WW1 era battleships were to sink with level bombers), but the majority of the defence of the channel would have been destroyers and cruisers, which are an entirely different prospect, doing 32+ kts rather than 23 or so.
And Germany wouldn’t have only had to support the landing of far, far more troops than they had to in Norway, and keep them supplied essentially using barges while the RN was free to attack with fleets of destroyers etc. Basically, Sealion never had a realistic chance of success, even with air power on their side.
The considerations they took into account probably included the context of the rest of the war i'd guess
Shocked in such a short clip for a change, but more than made up for it in the mangled pronunciation on the auto-caption...
I usually forget the R & seem to pronounce it more Si-erg-ee but with a highly pronounced V connected to the S...
Svvvi-erg-ee, fitta!
Been trying to learn myself via chatboxes with a mate that lives in Skovde, Grottenburg (Gday Hompe! ;) )
Then again, I heard how you pronounce Drachinifel & would never had've guessed that! :v
Cheers, BLeeK-ii's
Last part made my day. But it kinda understandable why they was afraid to do so. They spend a lot of presious resources to build their ships. Not like that they had chance to win but positivity of their thinking is impressive. Nazis with their superiority complex is so funny.
It's been fantastic to listen to these with your actual voice. You're a wonderfully engaging narrator, I hope you never run out of material.
As always, very good. Well pronounced, interesting facts, and a good flow, excellent video! with the added benefit, that it reminded me about Swedish procurement during world war 2, so double thanks.
Can add that the secondary batteries were repurposed into artillery forts along the Kalix line near Sweden's northern border.
coldwarsites.net/country/sweden/victoriafortet-vuollerim/
They just don't stop coming...
Just like the Japanese Torpedo Boats that were surely haunting the dreams of the captain of the Kamchatka
As a swede I'm quite saddened by the fact that none of these ships were preserved. I have however seen some of the guns in their fortifications. I did my military service in Boden which was a heavily fortified town in the northern parts of Sweden. The guns from the Sverige-class was not in any of Bodens fortresses but in a smaller fortress situated in Vuollerim along the main road towards Jokkmokk. The fort is called Victoriafortet, after Queen Victoria and her namesake ship. The fort got one of Victorias turrets with twin 15.2 cm guns.
Info in Swedish: www.sfv.se/fastigheter/sok/sverige/norrbottens-lan/victoriafortet-vuollerim
One of the 28,1 cm gun´s can be found preserved inside the Karlskrona naval base (you pass it on the way to the cantina, but sure if you can get inside as general public). There is also one preserved in Kalskoga close to the Bofors factory where they once was manufactured....
I think the hull of one them is used as a floating dock somewhere
@@Groza_Dallocort Really? If you can find any info on that I'd be very happy. That is one ship I certainly would like to visit.
@@marcusrobertsson1898 I read that one ship the hull was preserved and used as a floating bridge/dock but I can't seem to find it anymore. It might not even have been Sverige-Klass but another ship class Sweden built
3 ships to deter a Nazi invasion and all the nasty complications, what a ship & what a nation!
Well Sweden also had the lock in the north aka Boden Fortress
Whilst these ships may have had some deterrent effect, there was no need for Germany to invade Sweden. Geographically it was of little value and as long as it continued to Germzny with raw materials and ball bearings all was good.
The entire constitutional crisis is interesting, as the last time the king truly tried (and in this case, succeeded) to flex his political muscles against the government.
I complaid earlier that you used imperial mesurments. Also in this video about Swedish ships. Sweden had used metrics long before these ships were built. 28 cm main armament.
If you happens to read this, but I'm sceptical that you do. Great video though. As always.
THE MUSIC HAUNTS MY DREAMS
Seriously, I've been falling asleep to your videos lately and that FUCKIN MUSIC
Makes for some interesting dreams
I have always been fascinated by this class of ships! They were so well thought out and deployed!
My grandfather served on Drottning Victoria.. :)
When my dad was in the navy in the 50's, the "G5" was used as a training ship.
I’ve seen a short video clip of HMS “Sverige” dated 1970, by then long since her retirement, shortly before her being sold as scrap.
I think you might have seen the "Gustav-V" if it was a movie clip from 1970 as she (he ??) was moored at Berga naval schools until 1970-ish as a training facility for emergency and fire training
You're honestly quite good at pronouncing swedish names Drach :o
This was a case where a deterrent actually worked!
Which makes them a strong candidate for most effective warships in recorded history.
Sure it wasn't them selling iron food and other stuff to Germany
@@demonprinces17 Strange bedfellows indeed! Sweden was caught between a rock and a hard place when it came to Germany! To be fair, Sweden did allow the Bofors company to sell it's AA gun design, and to allow Britain to fly in and out of the country during the war.
No it did not. The important iron ore from sweden however did.
Happy is the city that dreams of war at times of peace.
*cries when they appear briefly in Azur Lane, but only as mass-production ship*
Isnt Swedish a beautiful language?
Finally a Swedish ship, have a up vote..
The Sverige class was designed to be slightly faster than ww1 Battleships which normally did 21 knots.
Sverige did 22,5 knots while her sister ships using geared turbines instead of direct drive did 23,5 knots.
Deterrence through Strength!
Den lilla svenska igelkotten etc
Please do one on the HNoMS Norge and Eidsvoll
*Happy Swedish noises* Thank you! I have been hoping for a version of this video with voice narration instead of TTS for a while.
Germany may have been preparing to invade sometime after taking Norway but realized they couldn't after their losses in taking the country.
They lost
1 heavy cruiser, 2 light cruisers, 10 destroyers, 6 U-boats, 2 torpedo boats, 15 light naval units, 21 transports/merchant ships and 90-240 aircraft.
In addition several other ships were damaged and would face lengthy repairs.
Losing those were huge which would have given German high command doubts as to whether they would be able to take another better defended country.
So the Swedish Navy would be able to stand down any forces that would have scuppered any attempt to invade Sweden. The Kriegsmarine would have lost most of their destroyers and perhaps one or two light cruisers as well. And the battleships would be unable to get inshore because of better geographic knowledge of the Swedes which they could employ - which might've given even the Pocket Battleship a few difficulties!
5.30 why invade a friendly neutral, which is what Sweden was to Germany in both world wars?
Well... technically, so were the Dutch and Belgians... but they had settled in the way between Germany and France, Sweden wasn't on the way to any other strategic objective.
SonsOfLorgar exactly- minimal strategic advantage, and they’re friends anyway, so why rock the boat?
@@bigyin2586 well Sweden helped both sides in WWII
Drach: "Tying it up in pretzels trying to pronounce the word 'Swereje' correctly"
Oh gods Drach, your command of the Danish language is almost worse than mine.
Sweden score's! 🤗 They should add her to WoW games in say t5...
much as I'd love to see them in game, I think T3 in a BB slot is certainly more appropriate
@@Kingpin6100 yeah that would fit better..
T2. Miksa needs company.
@@hansheden that's not nice🤗. Everybody poop's on Mikasa...
I want USS Oregon BB 3 to be added for Miki to play with.
It's pretty damn impressive that these ships along with the rest of the swedish Navy were a major factor in deterring Nazi Germany's evil might.
Also when I read about these back in an old copy Jane's fighting ships of world war II I thought they were pretty damn cool looking
@ And ball bearings and maganese to the UK. Sweden needed coal. The only place to get it from was Germany. Sweden had to maintain a precarious balance throughout the war, to stay neutral. They didn't always succeed, e.g. allowing German troops passage was definetely a step to far. But that's easy to see with 20/20 hindsight.
That aside, Norway gave it a go. Denmark certainly didn't. The goverment coorporated with the Germans until -43, and even after the collapse of the government, the majority of the politicians ~still~ actively opposed the Resistance. A shameful act of collaboration, for which ordinary people were shot, after the war, but these politicians, slimy creeps that they were and are, were lauded as pragmatics.
Oh, and I'm Danish. Not Swedish.
@ well, to me it seems you assume Sweden would have sided against Germany. Ie siding with Russia, and against Finland, while there were Swedish volunteers in Finland fighting Russia. Why?
@@gsmurfen74 Hmm, the Swedish volunteers actually took the side against Germany. It´s often forgotten that the axis and allied alliance was not the same at the start of and at the end of WWII. Germany and Soviet/Russia started the war 1939 as allies (Google the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact). When Russia attacked Finland they where in alliance with Nazi-germany. Soviet then joined the allied when Germany suddenly broke the deal attacking Soviet/Russia in 1941
Love your content!
Hello from the Philippines
För Sverige.
Am I the only one who thinks the audio is a bit low on this one?
Wait, did he say 8mm antiaircraft guns?
Literally pint sized cans of whoop ass...
05:03 Did you say torpedo boats? I think you did.
Excellent video guv'nor....👍🏻👌🏻👏🏻
Greetings from a Swede up in Glasgow....🍻
Pocket battleships?
Do a video of HMS Gotland (1933) during World War II HMS Gotland sighted the German battleship Bismarck when it broke out of the Baltic Sea, thats how the british found out the ship was going to Norway.
Thats the power of a deterrent, won a total, bloodless victory against the Germans without ever needing to fire a shot
Just imagine if Argentina had a ship like this hiding within the Falklands in 1982.....the Royal Navy of the day would have gotten spanked trying to dig it out and the Submarines couldnt do a damn thing about it as they couldn't operate in the shallow waters there.
Thanks drachif
Could you look into covering the US submarine USS Pampanito? When I was about 12 years old I got to spend time on the boat which helped get me interested in Naval History. On top of that she's getting near a dry docking and could use some help. maritime.org/uss-pampanito/
So drach, you are telling me, that the reason why germany never invaded sweden, was because germany was scared of a smaller coastal battleship? Seems legit.
Kriegsmarine: I fear no man, but this thing.
*Sveriges class appears on the screen*
Kriegsmarine: It scares me.
Well they wheren’t exactly scared but if you look at the german ship losses in Norway emagine the pontential losses of the already small kreigsmarine in an invasion of Sweden. Germany’s small navy was a deterrent to some degree against the UK so losing a significant number of ships against small nations would make that dissapear. Futhermore, if germany failed to destroy the swedish navy they would have a hard time shipping supplies, heavy equipment and reenforcements from northern europe to sweden.
Are there any English language reference books available on these ships? Not finding much detailed information on them through the usual channels.
Thank you. I’ve always been interested in the odder naval design decisions, and the Panzerschiffe were well designed for their role.
Could you do a video on the older ships of Norway, Denmark, and Sweden, and a second video on the Finnish ships?
I just saw the title and now I'm guessing just how badly Drach is going to pronounce this one :-D
(edit: Not that badly at all, I am disappointed)
Great work Drach, thanks for another quality upload.
GREAT POST!
Vids from Drach make me happy. A whole pile in one day? I AM IN HEAVEN!!!!!!!
Sweden had used an all turret design for the secondary battery since the Äran class built around the year 1900.
Whilst Finland was semi-allied due to a mutual dislike of Russia. There's an understatement for you.
The main mast reminds me of H.E.L.P.E.R (Venture Brothers)
It seems to be quite the Swedish week? atleast as far as war games and topics are concerned!
Thank you for a very interesting episode. Five stars.
This guys video-output rivals some anti air cannons out there.
What is that intro song ?
I tried clicking the link in the description but it says that the channel doesnt exist.
I just love these videos, although the text to speech is almost as funny as Drach.
Sweden!! 😍😍
not only are there hundreds of uploads today, but they all manage to hold the same excellent standard of research
What about the HSwMS Ikea? I heard it took them many years to put together.
It was never completed, a special hex bolt for the keel was missing in package nr 3485 C, and without that, the whole hull would implode at launch.
/Greetings from Sweden
I thought elfin was a make believe language
If WG would find a way to make it a T2 🤔
Drottning victoria= Queen victoria
1 Dansk ogillar denna video.
Release the rousing song!
Why not do hms dragon
I think she looks neat!
4 vids in a day very nice
Pretty cool they got their money's worth out of them
The power of Ikea is truly unlimited!
Bismarck - am the biggest most powerful battleship that ever sail the sea!
Sverige - come at me bröööh!
Bismarck - (sails west towards the atlantic to hunt merchant ships.)
Sverige - Med folket för fosterlandet!
Hello
Her is modell of Drottning Victoria
Not sure what this says but pretty sure I like it!