Allot of battleships have diagonal lines on the hull. they seem to pipes or something. Do you know what their function was? Especially battleships of ww1 have them for example HMS Blake and HMS lion
In your opinion assuming resources aren't a problem how long would it have taken to build and commission an h-39 class battleship? And if at least the first two had been built which names do you think they could have had? Hindenburg, Friedrich der Grosse or even Mackensen or Derfflinger?
Hit by a torpedo. Captain: Anyone hear anything. First Officer: No sir. Just our guns firing. Captain: Good. Well keep shooting then. Later First Officer: I say, sir we seem to be taking on water and it means we can no longer hit the enemy. Captain: Can we not sail a bit closer. First Officer: Not really, Sir Captain: Well we had better head for home then.
@@46bovine Drach mentions that one of the battleships got hitby a torpedo but dispite having a 90 ft hile in its side they carry on fighting until the list becomes so bad the no longer get the range.
Max kennedy : some missed opportunities though, there was an HMS Answer but unfortunately no HMS Question, also there was an HMS Python but no HMS Monty. Personal favourite opposites in terms of fear striking names though, HMS Vindictive and HMS Glowworm.
My father was stationed on this vessel in Scapa Flow. He loved her and was heartbroken when she was broken up. Fancy destroying the Flag Ship at Jutland. Mind you I don’t suppose it was Beaty’s greatest moment. We gave my father a painting of her for his 80th birthday. I still have it. I also understand that the surrender of the German Fleet was taken on board the Old Iron Duke
Best regards to you. My father served on the Queen Elizabeth that took over as flagship from Iron Duke. What magnificent vessels they both were. Shame that none of them were ever preserved for prosperity.
Wow lucky guy to have served on such a glorious ship, i knew a guy whos father served on the acasta destroyer and died when i think the scharnhorst sank it in norway
@@johnparker4538 yeah only british battleship left is in japan and its a pre dreadnought such a shame they couldnt have kept at least one of the smaller newer ships like King George the V but oh well
@@juggs9437 USS Texas and others are preserved in the USA thankfully. It was somewhat criminal that none of the RN's battleships were preserved, not even Vanguard who wasn't completed 'til after the war if memory serves. That sad truth is that the UK was completely broke at that point and maintaining something as large and complex as a battleship costs a lot of money.
3:26 - “That’s it for this video. Thanks for watching. If you have a comment or suggestion for a ship to review, let us know in the comments below. Don’t forget to comment on the pinned post for Drydock questions.”
So in 1921 Captain (O-6) William D Leahy (later Roosevelt’s Chief of Staff) was in Command of USS St Louis when a bear came aboard. Later the crew from HMS Iron Duke came to collect it saying it was their’s this came from the book Second Most Powerful Man in the World, good read
I've got a soft spot for this ship a piece of the deck of HMS Iron Duke in the shape of a little teak barrel cut from her deck when she was broken up in 1948. I should bare her a degree of animosity as she rained shells on SMS König in which my great grandfather was serving at the time. I love the little quirk of history that gave Jellicoe’s flagship at Jutland its name. I always thought the Duke of Wellington got his title for being such a badass on the battlefield, but not, it was from his time as prime minister when he was deeply unpopular and put up iron shutters on his windows to keep out the stones of the mob, but the name stuck with him even when its original application was largely forgotten.
Finally a British telling it like it was... I was getting tired of the "Best in the world" attitude of most Brits in youtube (yes you the Lightning, Lancaster and Spitfire crowd...) Very much appreciated Sir and I'll keep watching.
I'd often wondered which ship's you used in your wrap-up segment, at 3:27 time mark I see it's HMS Iron Duke and her sisters in battle line. Excellent!! ~_^
Has anyone ever written that your into kicks ass? I can't even claim to be a super interested-about-ships-guy, but the intro has always got me set for a good lecture / discussion about any of your subjects.
Iron Duke, The first duke of Wellington, Arthur Wellesley. I believe that together with the first duke of Marlborough, John Churchill, they are the only capital ships of the Royal Navy to be named after army generals.
Well, Churchill was lot's of other things as well, including First Lord of the Admiralty and Wellesley was Commander-in-Chief-of-the-Forces and Prime Minister as well. So not just army men.
And the Royal Navy still has a HMS Iron Duke, named after the Duke of Wellington, a type 23 frigate. She once passed me at high speed in the English Channel as I was sailing to Cornwall from Devonport.
Along with several others I worked on the Iron Duke type 23 and have framed pictures presented to me by by the great crews of these vessels; reminding me of happy times spent with them. Regards
@@46bovine Fairey Aviation was the name of a respected company that made a few types of aircraft. The company survived and was amalgamated into the British Aircraft Corporation from what I remember. Regards
Thanks Drach I've been waiting for the video on this ship Her performance at Jutland was first rate and shows that British fire control and training had little to learn for the much over praised Germans. Too many forget the conditions at Rosyth did not allow for the live gunnery practice as happened at Scapa but given HMS Invincible's excellent shooting they were capable of doing just as well with the ability to practice properly
Very handsome ships! I don't know where you get the fine photos but they really show them off! It's interesting to note that the move to 13.5 in caused the US Navy to go for the 14in gun in the Nevada class. It's also notable that a 21knot speed was considered standard for battleships other then the US navy.
A handsome ship and one of the most powerful until the 15" armed Queen Elizabeth class entered service. I like the name 'Iron Duke.' I write sci-fi as a hobby, I may apply this name to a star-faring battleship or battlecruiser, an Exeter class battlecruiser perhaps.
HMS Penelope (WW2) - Arthusa Class cruiser. HMS Manxman (WW2) - Abdiel Class mine-lying cruiser. Both Penelope and Manxman have a C. S. Forester connection. HMS Calliope (1887 - 1951) - "The Hurricane Jumper". China Station gunboats or gunboats in general or the Insect Class gunboats. Also on the subject of Forester stories of the sea is the May 2020 release of the movie "Greyhound" based Forester novel "The Good Shepard" and starring Tom Hanks and USS Kidd.
I just started playing World of Warships free online. allot of British Battleships used there! the old Dreadnoughts seem to be a favorite of allot of players. I am using the Japanese Kongo class Battle Cruiser. and the Medium Cruiser class allot.
0:57 In a way, yes, but generally, they were larger, used the heavier shell 13.5-inch shell also used by the Iron Dukes, and had the secondary battery placement altered, having 8 guns on the forward superstructure, 4 on the aft superstructure and 4 in casemates on the forward portion of the hull. The two biggest distinction they had was moving the forward funnel to be behind the forward mast because the Orion and preceding dreadnought’s placement caused the hot gases from the funnel to leave the spotting top unusable. Their bridge/forward profile was very different from Orion’s U-shaped platform style and even the Iron Duke’s box-shaped bridge profile. The KGV’s bridge layout did reappear on the Queen Elizabeth-class, oddly enough. HMS Queen Mary herded also has a similar looking Bridge profile but not as distinct as the KGVs and QEs. The KGVs is probably my favorite WW1 battleship, only really beaten by the QEs of course. The KGVs and QEs in WW1 were probably the finest looking WW1 battleships to exist.
HMS Dreadnought's coat of arms carried the motto "Fear God and Dread Nought", a nice play on words; the British didn't stop at choosing great names for their ships. Does anyone have any other examples?
Great bane for a battle ship, was it ever converted to oil? How difficult a process was that, working in engine room in coal fired ship, not to mention loading process can be imagined as awful duty with likely long term health detriment from coal dust.
Drach: you missed the most interesting detail: As gunnery training ship, she was the first ship to mount the new twin 5.25" DP turret, on top of the Y barbette Thorough test of the system before the Dido's and KGV's were fitted out
HMS Benbow is pronounced: Ben Beau (oh not ow) my grandfather served on the Benbow in the 20s and was recalled during WW2 and served aboard Iron Duke after having been sunk on two ships during the Murmansk Runs. He was aboard Iron Duke at the time of its bombing at Scapa Flo, and I have a photo he took of Winston Churchill visiting her shortly before the attack took place. I also have pics of him being part of the rifle shooting team aboard Benbow in 1923.
Nice episode thanks. The first chapter of the book Epics of Salvage details how she was saved from sinking after being bombed. The event was a wake up call to the poor state of UK salvage capabilities, which were vastly improved afterwards.
No, it was named after Sir Arthur Welsley, the Duke of Wellington, commander of British land forces in the Napoleonic wars and at one time, British Prime minister... and for whom Wellington Boots are named
Currently reading a bio of A. Wellesley. The author refers to 'the steam-boat (sic)' named after The Duke. Military Historians talking about Naval matters, for you!
Nit pick: "Going to the breakers for the last time." I think I have heard this phrase before, and it is a slightly odd phrase because I'm sure it is also the first and only time HMS Iron Duke went to the breakers.
Given that it's a British Beard, the necessity for increased mustache wax for overseas endurance would allow it to be slightly over the treaty displacement limits.
Iron Duke Class were not the last class of coal fired RN capital ships. The Revenge class (aka Royal Sovereign class) , which followed the Queen Elizabeths, were coal fired when built. They were later converted to oil.
I am not a naval expert but would the problem of water entering the secondary battery not been improve it the guns were stored pointing toward the stern.
No, that would rather expose the breech and workings of the gun to the direction of incoming water and spray. And, it would give the impression that you had arranged your weapons for running away from the enemy. Would not do!
@@johnmcmickle5685 You may well be right... I understood the problem was water entering via the gap between the casement and the fixed parts of the ship's sides, as well as via the gaps around the barrel, so it would depend how watertight the rest of the casement was. The secondary guns are all set quite low, so often it would be green seas crashing along the sides, and water soon finds a gap. It certainly isn't surprising that this arrangement was later done away with in favour of higher-mounted turrets.
@@peterchapman7615 I understand but the less gaps you have taking the hit the less water you would have entering. That area where the barrel protrudes would be considerable.
Such a shame, the British had so many Battleships including some of the world famous Battleships like Warspite, Rodney, KGV, Vanguard,... but they save none, neither for their rich history nor for their heroic memories ❤❤❤❤
As an aside I believe Iron Duke was one of Churchills obsessions and he proposed to modernise the ship durng WWII, presumably for nostalgic reasons because Iron Duke would hardly have been very effective. I am assuming the modernisation would havev been along the standard lines new boilers and turbines, nrw bridge and fire control and some additional deck armour which probablyl would have taken the entire war to complete.
Not really. In March, 1939, the Admiralty briefly considered modernising Iron Duke, which had been stripped of her armour and some of her main turrets for use as a gunnery training ship, but gave up the idea on cost grounds, and because the best that could have been achieved would have been something inferior to the (obsolete) 'R' class. The Japanese had more success with the Hiei. Churchill only became First Lord in September, 1939.
How much of a change would using modern steel to build a battleship have on weight reduction assuming there was an incentive to build a new battleship?
Let's rephrase that question. Using non steel materials could you reduce Weight? Top side items like the funnels and masts are places where steel is not needed.
@@connormclernon26 I think the big weight saving wouldn't so much be in the steel armour but in things like aluminium being used for the majority of the super structure, smaller more powerful machinery, reduced requirements for crew accommodations and other things along those lines. Newer more uniform steel might also produce some weight savings while also being more effective but I don't know enough about modern armour to really speculate on that fully
"Iron Duke" certainly sounds more intimidating than "Wellington". Always thought these were fine ships for their day. Interesting to contemplate how Jutland would have gone had the RN developed and deployed the "greenboy" shells which arguably might well have been possible had attention been kept on the matter given they were developed and introduced across the fleet in under 2 years following Jutland. Intelligence after Jutland showed a surprisingly dismal performance of RN AP shells against armour (the German shells weren't exactly great, either). There's little doubt that the German ships that survived a large number of high calibre hits, even though badly damaged, would have been sunk outright at the time had the greenboy shells been available.
Not sure how much difference it would have made. The German fleet never challenged the Royal navy after Jutland, despite having taken only light losses. And the Royal Navy didn't have much else to do, even if they sunk half the German fleet...
Pinned post for Q&A :)
What is your opinion on Admiral Frederik Sturdee?
Allot of battleships have diagonal lines on the hull. they seem to pipes or something. Do you know what their function was? Especially battleships of ww1 have them for example HMS Blake and HMS lion
Would love a video on WW1 E Class submarines if possible.....
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In your opinion assuming resources aren't a problem how long would it have taken to build and commission an h-39 class battleship? And if at least the first two had been built which names do you think they could have had? Hindenburg, Friedrich der Grosse or even Mackensen or Derfflinger?
"Iron Duke"
God, I love how the Royal Navy goes with "rule of cool" when it comes to naming their ships.
Dreadnought
Bellerophon
Poseidon
Orion
Lion
Tiger
...
I thought they named them after their mother-in-laws? 😳
It refers to Arthur Wellesley, The Duke of Wellington.
@@adaw2d3222 You beat me to it. I wonder how this famed Army commander would feel about the RN more or less naming a battleship for him?
@@robertf3479 I think he'd be ok with it.
The British 13.5 armed ships are sooooooo pretty
Thomas Gray
I don’t know about pretty. Maybe more like ”lean and mean” or ”badass”.
The design is clearly the forerunner of later ships like HMS Hood, obviously a philosophy and style in mind when they were built.
@@andreaswiklund7197 "lean and mean" as well as "badass" can still be pretty wouldn't you say?
@@andreaswiklund7197 lean? It's not lean, it's an absolute bruiser. A real beast
13.5 and 15 best looking guns ever made
Kamchatka - "Were under torpedo attack! HELP!"
Marlborough - "Pleeeease. I EAT torpedos for breakfast!"
Hit by a torpedo.
Captain: Anyone hear anything.
First Officer: No sir. Just our guns firing.
Captain: Good. Well keep shooting then.
Later
First Officer: I say, sir we seem to be taking on water and it means we can no longer hit the enemy.
Captain: Can we not sail a bit closer.
First Officer: Not really, Sir
Captain: Well we had better head for home then.
Eh, wot?
2 dead and 2 wounded ...
Or reverse course so the high side of the ship is facing the enemy.
@@46bovine Drach mentions that one of the battleships got hitby a torpedo but dispite having a 90 ft hile in its side they carry on fighting until the list becomes so bad the no longer get the range.
@@johnmcmickle5685 The problem there is that everyone else would be going the other way
The UK got no in between names. We either call the ships “Pansy” or we call them the “Iron Duke”
To be fair the big names were matched with big ships. You could hardly have a minesweeper called Iron Duke while having a battleship called Sweet Pea.
I don't know "HMS flower picker" would be a great name for a battleship
"Mien got de Flower picker" as she emerges from the mist
James D-J picking the flowers of youth off the enemy navy!
Max kennedy : some missed opportunities though, there was an HMS Answer but unfortunately no HMS Question, also there was an HMS Python but no HMS Monty.
Personal favourite opposites in terms of fear striking names though, HMS Vindictive and HMS Glowworm.
My father was stationed on this vessel in Scapa Flow. He loved her and was heartbroken when she was broken up. Fancy destroying the Flag Ship at Jutland. Mind you I don’t suppose it was Beaty’s greatest moment. We gave my father a painting of her for his 80th birthday. I still have it. I also understand that the surrender of the German Fleet was taken on board the Old Iron Duke
Best regards to you. My father served on the Queen Elizabeth that took over as flagship from Iron Duke. What magnificent vessels they both were. Shame that none of them were ever preserved for prosperity.
Wow lucky guy to have served on such a glorious ship, i knew a guy whos father served on the acasta destroyer and died when i think the scharnhorst sank it in norway
@@johnparker4538 yeah only british battleship left is in japan and its a pre dreadnought such a shame they couldnt have kept at least one of the smaller newer ships like King George the V but oh well
@@juggs9437 USS Texas and others are preserved in the USA thankfully. It was somewhat criminal that none of the RN's battleships were preserved, not even Vanguard who wasn't completed 'til after the war if memory serves. That sad truth is that the UK was completely broke at that point and maintaining something as large and complex as a battleship costs a lot of money.
Did Beaty ever have a great moment?
Battleship: *exists*
Royal Navy: I'm 'bout to scrap this man's whole career!
Naval Historians: the biggest crime ever committed to a historical military warship.
I mean, the UK's finances weren't exactly in great shape after either world war.
@@danielkorladis7869 yeah royal navy was a shadow of what it used to be after ww1 a quarter of the size pretty much afterwards
@@juggs9437its quite hard to finance your enormous fleet when your colonies that you *heavily* rely on want _independance_
Iron Duke would’ve made one hell of a museum ship. The fact she got scrapped just to make more disposable razor blades is a travesty.
"The enemy has been reinforced by a Dreadnought"
*Ah I see you are a man of culture as well*
@@Chris-m-m02 battlefield 1 behemoth on Fau fortress
Haligo land bite
@@marseldagistani1989 yes
*Happy coastal gun noises*
3:27 That moment when the end card pops up but Drach's still talking and there's no Robot voice.
Had to watch this. My great grandfather served in her as a petty officer.
3:26 - “That’s it for this video. Thanks for watching. If you have a comment or suggestion for a ship to review, let us know in the comments below. Don’t forget to comment on the pinned post for Drydock questions.”
I love that outro. Memorized.
Just a suggestion. Youve done the main county class cruisers. But what about the smaller york and exeter heavy cruisers?
I agree more heavy cruisers please
So in 1921 Captain (O-6) William D Leahy (later Roosevelt’s Chief of Staff) was in Command of USS St Louis when a bear came aboard. Later the crew from HMS Iron Duke came to collect it saying it was their’s this came from the book Second Most Powerful Man in the World, good read
So that's the ship they modeled the dreadnought off of in battlefield 1
One of my very favourite Airfix models from the early 1970’s.
There’s a lovely “Iron Duke” in 1/700 by Flyhawk Models....if you’re at all interested but it’ll be via eBay and China (10 days normally).
I still have the unbuilt Airfix 1:600 model. Looking forward to retirement when it can get the attention it deserves.
Is 'Industrial Action' a synonym for Labor Dispute/Strike?
Yes. Industrial action generally can cover striking as well as other things like overtime bans, work-to-rule or go-slow.
@@TheBespectacledN00b Should really be called "Industrial Inaction" ;-)
I've got a soft spot for this ship a piece of the deck of HMS Iron Duke in the shape
of a little teak barrel cut from her deck when she was broken up in 1948. I
should bare her a degree of animosity as she rained shells on SMS König
in which my great grandfather was serving at the time.
I love the little quirk of history that gave Jellicoe’s
flagship at Jutland its name. I always thought the Duke of Wellington got his
title for being such a badass on the battlefield, but not, it was from his time
as prime minister when he was deeply unpopular and put up iron shutters on his
windows to keep out the stones of the mob, but the name stuck with him even
when its original application was largely forgotten.
Yes, I once had such a barrel with a brass plate beneath stating 'Trincomalee' ...but she is still afloat.
3:52 Ben - b-OW? , my neighbours name is Ben - bow (as in bow and arrow), as is the Pub in Shrewsbury named after Admiral Benbow
maybe he was referring to the condition of the ship after the torpedo - but that would have been HMS BentbOW.
I dated a few Bimbos before I met my Wife...
Yeah, I thought it was Benbow like archery bow. But then I'm from Shrewsbury...
So, the pub in Shrewsburry is named for the one from Treasure Island?
Yup, when I was in Benbow Division at HMS Ganges in the mid 1960's it was always pronounced Ben Bo (w) .
Finally a British telling it like it was... I was getting tired of the "Best in the world" attitude of most Brits in youtube (yes you the Lightning, Lancaster and Spitfire crowd...) Very much appreciated Sir and I'll keep watching.
I love the Iron nuke, was one of my first scale models of ships
Superb .... my favourite Airfix warship kit as a young bloke😊
Oh, I do enjoy your videos, as I served in the USN for 6 years on active duty.
6:43 - handsome ship.
☮
The picture of Marlborough post-battle, with its more than visible list, is the only thing missing from this guide.
It’s heartbreaking that we didn’t save any of these ships!
Agreed but we still have the USS TEXAS thank God
@@Jhonnysins-q1e Wish we had New York instead.
I'd often wondered which ship's you used in your wrap-up segment, at 3:27 time mark I see it's HMS Iron Duke and her sisters in battle line. Excellent!! ~_^
I believe that it's a photo of the Grand Fleet assembling in 1914, or possibly steaming up the English Channel...
5 views, 5 likes. What a god among men
Hey man, we know what we like.
Such a shame, the british built so many great battleships but they didn't kept a single one :(
The reason is that battleships are expensive, even when standing idle, and we Brits have a tendency to think of spending money as some kind of evil.
@@Kevin-mx1vi
but an oversized big top in London was a great idea? & a good use of Money?
not much special about the Cutty Sark either
Closest ship still in existence to the HMS Iron Duke, would be the USS Texas!
Yeah the Warspite should have been preserved. If nothing else the Vanguard being the last should have.
If Hood had survived I think she would of been preserved.
I would love a super cut. 20 or so guides without into in one long video. :)
what a beautiful ship - truly an awe inspiring vessel !!
HMS Iron Duke, What a great name for a battleship. Another great ship summary, very good presentation. Thank you!
Has anyone ever written that your into kicks ass? I can't even claim to be a super interested-about-ships-guy, but the intro has always got me set for a good lecture / discussion about any of your subjects.
Iron Duke, The first duke of Wellington, Arthur Wellesley. I believe that together with the first duke of Marlborough, John Churchill, they are the only capital ships of the Royal Navy to be named after army generals.
Well, Churchill was lot's of other things as well, including First Lord of the Admiralty and Wellesley was Commander-in-Chief-of-the-Forces and Prime Minister as well.
So not just army men.
Drach did a video on monitors used by the RN for shore bombardment during WW1 and all were named after generals due to their army oriented mission.
@@raygiordano1045 not capital ships
And the Royal Navy still has a HMS Iron Duke, named after the Duke of Wellington, a type 23 frigate. She once passed me at high speed in the English Channel as I was sailing to Cornwall from Devonport.
Along with several others I worked on the Iron Duke type 23 and have framed pictures presented to me by by the great crews of these vessels; reminding me of happy times spent with them.
Regards
@@johnhargreaves3620 I believe HMS Iron Duke is getting a, overdue, refit at the moment.
The Royal Naval Air Force had a squadron of FAIREY ( spelling?) Swordfish torpedo planes. Fairy or FAIREY for a warplane seems a bit weird, eh wot?
@@46bovine its actually Fleet Air Arm not Royal Navy Air Force.
@@46bovine Fairey Aviation was the name of a respected company that made a few types of aircraft. The company survived and was amalgamated into the British Aircraft Corporation from what I remember.
Regards
Thanks Drach
I've been waiting for the video on this ship
Her performance at Jutland was first rate and shows that British fire control and training had little to learn for the much over praised Germans.
Too many forget the conditions at Rosyth did not allow for the live gunnery practice as happened at Scapa but given HMS Invincible's excellent shooting they were capable of doing just as well with the ability to practice properly
Very handsome ships! I don't know where you get the fine photos but they really show them off! It's interesting to note that the move to 13.5 in caused the US Navy to go for the 14in gun in the Nevada class. It's also notable that a 21knot speed was considered standard for battleships other then the US navy.
I really like this class, some really beautiful lines. Besides that they have some really great names, especially Iron Duke and Emperor of India.
Britain had to name a lot of ships over the centuries and they got pretty good at it. Yes. Really good names.
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Centuries of ruling the seas wasn't a waste after all
Can you do an episode on the RN breakers yard? 1948 seems to have been a very busy period for them!
Hey Drachinifel have you done a vid on Aboukir ? Family records show I had a great uncle who died when she was torpedoed
Not yet, that incident will be covered though.
@@Drachinifel cool good to know, thanks for replying 😁 I do believe he was rather young at the time somewhere in his early to mid teens
Always have a soft spot for this ship. Maybe the Airfix kit got me at an early age.
It was the PG tea cards that makes the name memorable to me.
Yes, built that kit as well.
A handsome ship and one of the most powerful until the 15" armed Queen Elizabeth class entered service.
I like the name 'Iron Duke.' I write sci-fi as a hobby, I may apply this name to a star-faring battleship or battlecruiser, an Exeter class battlecruiser perhaps.
HMS Penelope (WW2) - Arthusa Class cruiser. HMS Manxman (WW2) - Abdiel Class mine-lying cruiser. Both Penelope and Manxman have a C. S. Forester connection. HMS Calliope (1887 - 1951) - "The Hurricane Jumper". China Station gunboats or gunboats in general or the Insect Class gunboats. Also on the subject of Forester stories of the sea is the May 2020 release of the movie "Greyhound" based Forester novel "The Good Shepard" and starring Tom Hanks and USS Kidd.
To me a great looking battleship. It was my favorite from the 50 or so shipmodels that I build as a kid.
Can you make a video about the dutch gunboats "soemba & flores" AKA the terrible twins
You need to do a review of the de Moines class cruisers
I just started playing World of Warships free online. allot of British Battleships used there! the old Dreadnoughts seem to be a favorite of allot of players. I am using the Japanese Kongo class Battle Cruiser. and the Medium Cruiser class allot.
0:57 In a way, yes, but generally, they were larger, used the heavier shell 13.5-inch shell also used by the Iron Dukes, and had the secondary battery placement altered, having 8 guns on the forward superstructure, 4 on the aft superstructure and 4 in casemates on the forward portion of the hull. The two biggest distinction they had was moving the forward funnel to be behind the forward mast because the Orion and preceding dreadnought’s placement caused the hot gases from the funnel to leave the spotting top unusable. Their bridge/forward profile was very different from Orion’s U-shaped platform style and even the Iron Duke’s box-shaped bridge profile. The KGV’s bridge layout did reappear on the Queen Elizabeth-class, oddly enough. HMS Queen Mary herded also has a similar looking Bridge profile but not as distinct as the KGVs and QEs. The KGVs is probably my favorite WW1 battleship, only really beaten by the QEs of course. The KGVs and QEs in WW1 were probably the finest looking WW1 battleships to exist.
Enjoying this one on World of Warships, true British sea power
Iron Duke is probably about the most appropriate battleship ever
Battleship name that is
Todd Webb Warspite isn't bad..
@@markhepworth4804 indeed Iron Duke, Warspite, Dreadnaught just off the top of my head are some good names
HMS Dreadnought's coat of arms carried the motto "Fear God and Dread Nought", a nice play on words; the British didn't stop at choosing great names for their ships. Does anyone have any other examples?
The most badass name ever given to a ship.
Ben Bow - as in Bow and Arrow, not the pointy end of the ship!!
Great bane for a battle ship, was it ever converted to oil? How difficult a process was that, working in engine room in coal fired ship, not to mention loading process can be imagined as awful duty with likely long term health detriment from coal dust.
I wonder if Jellicoe had won a Nelson like victory at Jutland would Iron Duke now be preserved.
Drach: you missed the most interesting detail: As gunnery training ship, she was the first ship to mount the new twin 5.25" DP turret, on top of the Y barbette Thorough test of the system before the Dido's and KGV's were fitted out
HMS Benbow is pronounced: Ben Beau (oh not ow) my grandfather served on the Benbow in the 20s and was recalled during WW2 and served aboard Iron Duke after having been sunk on two ships during the Murmansk Runs. He was aboard Iron Duke at the time of its bombing at Scapa Flo, and I have a photo he took of Winston Churchill visiting her shortly before the attack took place. I also have pics of him being part of the rifle shooting team aboard Benbow in 1923.
Nice episode thanks. The first chapter of the book Epics of Salvage details how she was saved from sinking after being bombed. The event was a wake up call to the poor state of UK salvage capabilities, which were vastly improved afterwards.
It is so sad to hear “off to the breakers” of so many wonderful ships
So the ship was named after a Imperial Guard Baneblade ?
No, it was named after Sir Arthur Welsley, the Duke of Wellington, commander of British land forces in the Napoleonic wars and at one time, British Prime minister... and for whom Wellington Boots are named
Some outstanding pictures!!
Good observing. Thank so much
Superbe vidéo le Iron duke était magnifique comme tous les dreadnought d ailleurs je l'ai réaliser au 1/150eme navires très puissant
At last a video about Jellicoes old flagship.....Think she was the first model ship i ever built? Airfix 1/600.
If you cannot support with gunfire support with a paint job I love the RN!
Can you cover the service history of the Deutschland class cruisers Admiral Scheer and Lutzow in more detail like you did with the Admiral Graf Spee?
Have you done a video about the first super dreadnought Orion?
Well Done!!!!
Currently reading a bio of A. Wellesley. The author refers to 'the steam-boat (sic)' named after The Duke. Military Historians talking about Naval matters, for you!
Benbow - I believe 'Bow' is pronounces as in archery, not the front of a ship!
There seemed to be a lot of ‘Depot ships’, just how many and what functions did they carry out?
A barracks afloat.
@@WALTERBROADDUS My dad was stationed on such a ship early in the war HMS Argus a former (early) carrier....
My first ship model was the old girl.
Nit pick: "Going to the breakers for the last time." I think I have heard this phrase before, and it is a slightly odd phrase because I'm sure it is also the first and only time HMS Iron Duke went to the breakers.
What a name, the Iron Duke. The British have the best names for Ships.
Brandon BillTheCat when it comes to the sea the British do it the best
Hell of a name for a ship.
I'd like a video/more information on capital ship scout planes. I know little more than they excisted.
A name we're familiar with on account of a photo of a model of the wee beastie in Time/Life's book of ships...
Iron duke from battlefield 1 was recycled model in bfv though historical inaccurate
KlipsFilms Melbourne yeah there’s more iron dukes in narvik harbour than there was in real life
RedAce Burner in pacific concept in bfv does show iron duke though Texas and iron duke are similar turret position
Excellent!!! Always excellent!
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Would have liked to see a picture of the 'operational BB' paint job. Do any of those pictures exist?
If drachinifels beard was a ship.
Given that it's a British Beard, the necessity for increased mustache wax for overseas endurance would allow it to be slightly over the treaty displacement limits.
Why does it have such tall masts, with spars ? can it still fly sails?
Signal flags, Radio/telegraph and spotting.......
Splinter5570 gotta remember your history right?
Iron Duke Class were not the last class of coal fired RN capital ships. The Revenge class (aka Royal Sovereign class) , which followed the Queen Elizabeths, were coal fired when built. They were later converted to oil.
If they are going to top thier previous names they are going to need a HMS Thundercougerfalconbird
The iron duke class didn't have a ship called the Wellington?
Yes Iron Duke was Wellingtons nickname
thebarnet89 yeah? really?
Going to the breakers is, somehow, a slightly less brutal euphemism for that oh so painful, "and then she was scrapped." 🖖
Is there a chance for 1880s HMS Colossus guide?
Is there a video about the german Königsberg-Class CL (1928)?
What the hell are all these torpedo tubes for?
Third, HMAS Australia II
HMS Orion is most op ship in wows if controlling for tier
I am not a naval expert but would the problem of water entering the secondary battery not been improve it the guns were stored pointing toward the stern.
No, that would rather expose the breech and workings of the gun to the direction of incoming water and spray. And, it would give the impression that you had arranged your weapons for running away from the enemy. Would not do!
@@peterchapman7615 If it is in a casement the breach would not be exposed.It would be inside the ship.
@@johnmcmickle5685 You may well be right... I understood the problem was water entering via the gap between the casement and the fixed parts of the ship's sides, as well as via the gaps around the barrel, so it would depend how watertight the rest of the casement was. The secondary guns are all set quite low, so often it would be green seas crashing along the sides, and water soon finds a gap. It certainly isn't surprising that this arrangement was later done away with in favour of higher-mounted turrets.
@@peterchapman7615 That is the reason to have as many of those openings as possible facing away from the bow.
@@peterchapman7615 I understand but the less gaps you have taking the hit the less water you would have entering. That area where the barrel protrudes would be considerable.
Such a shame, the British had so many Battleships including some of the world famous Battleships like Warspite, Rodney, KGV, Vanguard,... but they save none, neither for their rich history nor for their heroic memories ❤❤❤❤
Admiral Dyatlov: 3.6 months of repairs, not great, not terrible.
As an aside I believe Iron Duke was one of Churchills obsessions and he proposed to modernise the ship durng WWII, presumably for nostalgic reasons because Iron Duke would hardly have been very effective. I am assuming the modernisation would havev been along the standard lines new boilers and turbines, nrw bridge and fire control and some additional deck armour which probablyl would have taken the entire war to complete.
Not really. In March, 1939, the Admiralty briefly considered modernising Iron Duke, which had been stripped of her armour and some of her main turrets for use as a gunnery training ship, but gave up the idea on cost grounds, and because the best that could have been achieved would have been something inferior to the (obsolete) 'R' class. The Japanese had more success with the Hiei.
Churchill only became First Lord in September, 1939.
How much of a change would using modern steel to build a battleship have on weight reduction assuming there was an incentive to build a new battleship?
Let's rephrase that question. Using non steel materials could you reduce Weight? Top side items like the funnels and masts are places where steel is not needed.
WALTERBROADDUS I mean in terms of armor plate and that sort of thing, but sure, what other weight savings could be achieved?
@@connormclernon26 It would be off the price charts, but okay Titanium armor. ua-cam.com/video/FeVTZlNQfPA/v-deo.html
@@connormclernon26 I think the big weight saving wouldn't so much be in the steel armour but in things like aluminium being used for the majority of the super structure, smaller more powerful machinery, reduced requirements for crew accommodations and other things along those lines.
Newer more uniform steel might also produce some weight savings while also being more effective but I don't know enough about modern armour to really speculate on that fully
@@themadhammer3305 Aluminium? It burns. See: Sheffield.
3:30 Who else saw that image pop up and had a brief moment of 'Wait, the video can't be over yet!'?
"Iron Duke" certainly sounds more intimidating than "Wellington". Always thought these were fine ships for their day.
Interesting to contemplate how Jutland would have gone had the RN developed and deployed the "greenboy" shells which arguably might well have been possible had attention been kept on the matter given they were developed and introduced across the fleet in under 2 years following Jutland. Intelligence after Jutland showed a surprisingly dismal performance of RN AP shells against armour (the German shells weren't exactly great, either). There's little doubt that the German ships that survived a large number of high calibre hits, even though badly damaged, would have been sunk outright at the time had the greenboy shells been available.
Not sure how much difference it would have made. The German fleet never challenged the Royal navy after Jutland, despite having taken only light losses. And the Royal Navy didn't have much else to do, even if they sunk half the German fleet...
What about HMAS Yarra