Media Zealot has made a nice supplementary video about this, as he mentionss the Sith-Lord's toxic and odd Sucession-Traditions a lot in one of his Videos.
And just like the rest of his children, he's too tyrannically controlling of it and would rather slowly destroy it than watch it grow and thrive without him.
It’s about his “family” the legacy, the power, and the exercise of said power. His children aren’t their own people but extensions of himself and that dream. It’s classical narcissism and megalomania. In another life he’d just be a dime-a-dozen sad little king in a sad sack town in the Midwest.
Yeah, I can see that, but Shiv is his favorite. In order: Shiv Kendall Roman And Conner Each of the three siblings up one another in buying to be the favorite and to get a 'Whattaboy', but Shiv is Logan's favorite.
No he loves himself. Time and time again he makes bad decision that could ruin the company when he doesn't get his way. He doesn't love anyone but himself and feeling in control like a true narcissist.
Kendall’s scene with his mother was perhaps the most heartbreaking scene of the second season. Just the the final door of familial access slammed shut.
That whole episode was so heartbreaking. I was crying when he went to the house of the boy he killed. He looked like such a sad puppy and you could tell guilt was eating him alive. Then he went home and was seeking to unburden himself on the one person in the world that is supposed to love you if no one else does and she basically told him she didn't want to hear it and disappeared the next morning. My poor Kendall 😢
@@zucchinigreen the sooner you realize this the sooner you give with the show. it’s completely intentional with lines like Kendall’s “i’m not saying this because i mean it- i’m saying it because..this is the time we’re all saying things.” and Logan’s “words. FUCKING words!”
I found it also extremely interesting how much logan roy exemplifies this toxic culture, not only in his business but also in his family. One of the reasons why his kids are the way they are is because they grew up in toxicity and don't seem to know anything else. There's like no escape from it, it's in the family home and in their professional life as well.
As someone who is from a toxic family, I found it extremely hard to watch Austerlitz, the episode where they went to family therapy. All the Roy children are too afraid to open up about their feelings in front of the therapist. My guess is it's not the first time they've done it and each time, nothing gets better. It was only when Kendall turned up high that he finally had the guts to confront their dad.
@pc which one of the characters you're claiming are worse than Logan (none of them are worse than Logan) is not female? Those characters are all female...
Succession is like the best seasons of game of thrones but instead of being set in a fantastical world, it’s set in our modern world which honestly seems like fantasy considering the fact that the rich tycoons who rule it have more power than any medieval king or God
Do an analysis of Tom and how the upper middle class want to separate from the lower class but would never be accepted by the upper class so they're stuck in the middle
the way tom is treated vs how he treats Greg specifically is my favorite dynamic in the show (it’s also the funniest in my opinion, you all know what it takes to make a tomlette.)
one of my favourite things about this channel is that the comment section has been either constructive or wholesome - and these comments prove it. truth be told, Mad Men is my favourite series of all time so if Succession can be on par (in terms of character development and writing) i am absolutely on board
At the end of Season 2 I was so proud of Kendall for dethroning his dad right there and then instead of just fully dissociating. Logan was about to send him to prison and Kendall has had such a difficult time defending himself against Logan. The only time he’s been able to immediately and directly stand up to his father in the moment is when Logan hit Iverson or Roman.
@@samfilmkid I can see that, but he's definitely on a journey. Of the few options available when he realized Logan was throwing him under the bus he chose self preservation over self sacrifice to an unworthy parent.
@@samfilmkid of course he is still seeking his dad approval, and it ain’t sick is literally human nature, he wants to feel loved by the person who supposedly should love him the most, is the flaw and the fuel that keeps him going.
The most hilarious part of this show is that its clear from the pilot that none of the Roy children are capable, knowledged enough or responsible enough to run Dad's business. Its not that they are too emotional, its that they are more eager to run a company than know how to run a company. The worst may be Chiv. She literally doesn't know how to do the job she wants. She is just more cut throat than her siblings. The smartest may be Roman because he is the most aware of what he doesn't know.
Agreed. That highlights the idiocy of a system in which the company would be passed down by virtue of lineage. While not all major companies are handles this way, far to many are. So many billionaire took over their parent empire by simply being the least bad choice in the bunch.
Yeah, but another important thing to be noticed is that Logan himself is responsible for creating his incapable children. He just wants to extend his ego without knowing that they are individuals with their own mind, traits and complexities. No one is able to create themselves because everybody has a different path and story.
Honestly, both shiv and kendall could probably do an ok job. Connor's got his head in the clouds and Roman lacks the ability to do the everyday grind that a CEO requires, but Shiv and Kendall both are smart enough to listen to their good counselors and make reasonably-OK decisions, and diligent enough to stick to it when it gets tedious and boring. Remember, they don't have to build an empire, just maintain it. The problem is that Roy can't stand to let anyone take over, so he'll undercut them when it looks like they might succeed.
Media Zealot has made a nice supplementary video about this, as he mentionss the Sith-Lord's toxic and odd Sucession-Traditions a lot in one of his Star-Wars-Videos.
This show is amazing. The characters and their hypocrisy makes me recoil from disgust everytime I watch, especially since as a viewer we see them for what they truly are. Logan bullies his kids, his kids bully others and those others also look for outlets to their anger. Tom is the best example. Acts like a real 'player' and 'corporate bad boy' around colleagues (and Greg) by insisting he's a prick when infact his role and attitude around the Roys is laughable. Really goes to show how easy it is to get caught up in toxic cultures: Everyone steps on the weaker person just to appear bigger. The Roy kids would actually be very happy if they didnt constantly have to prove this 'killer instinct' and prove themselves to Logan
Media Zealot has made a nice supplementary video about this, as he mentionss the Sith-Lord's toxic and odd Sucession-Traditions a lot in one of his Videos.
Nothing enviable about this family , yes , they have wealth , power but perpetually trying to back stab each other . Toxic n sad . Thank God it’s only a movie !!!
I personally think it takes much more strength to be a kind and caring person. Being a twisted liar who is devoid of emotion is a sign of great weakness.
It was not the comment "You're not a killer" that drove Kendall over the edge. It was a comment after that. When Ken says, "It should be me. I should have to pay... for the boy." And Logan says, "No, no, No! No Real Person involved..." It was that comment that made Kendall see Logan as a monster, that needed to be destroyed. Kendall had been told several times that he was not a Killer. So many times that it lost its effect on him. And something he grew to believe and wear as a badge of honor. It gave him the ability to see himself as GOOD and his Dad as BAD. This is what the ACTOR Jeremy Strong said about Kendall. Because it was Jeremy Storng that went to the writers and said "Youre not a killer is not enough to trigger a war." It was the casual dismissal of the dead boy, as well as the cruises victims, plus the victimization of hismelf and his siblings, the dismissal of Naomi... resentment from losing the take over - it all cumlinated. And lets not forget. Kendall also seems to have Narcisstic Personalty Disorder, as well as addiction issues. He is not a saint. He is a coked up squirrel.
According to the HBO site, Shiv is actually the youngest and Roman is the second youngest - I find this interesting as I just assumed Roman was the youngest as well.
I think that's why Caroline seems to hate Shiv. Logan pressured her to have a third child with him because he already had two sons and wanted a daughter for a change.
You should make a video about the "rich family" trope in tv, films and media in general. You can talk about Succession as well as Dallas, Dynasty and so many other shows and movies.
After 3 seasons i don't think the main theme is about success. It's more about abusive relationship between Logan the narcissistic father and his kids. The control he holds over his kids by dividing them, manipulating them into rivalry to seek his approval which is a lost cause. I think that's why the show highlighted how emotionally damaged the kids are.
I think NRPI has a deeper, more disturbing meaning. It's not that they don't matter, it's that they don't exist in their heads. As in, they're not worth building a mental, emotional model for. Like the caterer or the family they gave they offered a million dollars for the baseball. This is definitely a consequence of status inequality, and in the case of the show it extends from Logan Roy's natural narcissism downwards. Which is why one of the questions everyone asks him is, is this real? As in, are you going to do anything about this or are you just going to put another delusion in my head to control me? The reason Succession has so much punch is that it shows how late corporate capitalism empowers people like this. All civilizations do - many of the "great men" in history were war criminals of the worst order - but we must ask if we as a society should enable their behavior and make their perceptions about other people "real".
At the end of season 2 you can only hear one question Kendall is asked by reporters - "Do you have anything to say to the families of the victims of these crimes?" as he walks off the stage. After the first episode of season 3 it shows you how we've been set up to support Kendall as the "good guy" but he is not that at all probably.
Yes. Yes the way we tend to define “success” is absolutely toxic. Success at all costs. Success at the cost of others. True success is being healthy in body heart and mind, loving relationships with others, and contributing value that you believe is beneficial to humanity. 💗
The thing about the NRPI comment from Logan at the end of season two is that Kendall realized his father has learned nothing. He's sacrificing his son to get away clean. I'd turn too.
I love this show but it is very triggering for me, being the daughter of a narcissistic father. Even though I don't talk to my father anymore, I feel I just can't escape his looming shadow. The respect you have for such a figure but at the same time you hate him and the hate turns to shame for feeling that way. It's a roller coaster. So well depicted in the show.
It's very well put. I'm glad you were able to cut contact with your father. Also, you don't have to be ashamed of still loving him. Being able to feel love without accepting to be mistreated by him is just the proof that in spite of what you've been through, you're still able to love others and yourself.
@@Jamjar-iu3ji sure sir/ ma'am.. But not to sound bitchy.. You could have read my comment and moved on.. But you decided to give an unsolicited advice..i mean nothing against stranger giving advice on my life choices but next time just click the dislike button. Have a good day! 🙂
omg my best friend made me watch this whole show and then we had a messy falling out and I've had nobody to talk about it with. There is SO much to unpack, thank you for your important work. Very excited to see upcoming episodes.
Thank you so much for making this video. Since season 3 is just around the corner I was looking for video essays about succession, because I'm obsessed with this show
I'm late to the game on this one but I was also late to Succession. This level of analysis is why I watch this channel. It helps me make sense of that crazy family and it's also validating to see the very real parallels with the narcissism/power plays I experience on my mom's side. - The family scapegoat
The grown children of that series invariably make me think of the grown Trump children. They have inherited status and privelege, and yet they always look and act like they're totally miserable and desperate for love and affirmation. Don Jr. usually looks all coked up in his public appearances, while Tiffany looks unwanted and excluded, and Eric just looks like he'd much rather live a simple life as an organic farmer in Montana away from the rat race and the limelight and the nastiness. Ivanka is the only sibling who does looks together, but then again I guess she was the favorite, even if her marriage is likely a lavender one.
I am having a feeling that at the end Tom is gonna take over everything,cause everyone’s thinking that he is a punching bag but at last he is gonna reveal the kind of a beast he is . We got a glimpse of this at the end of s3 also
I mean the narcissism is so subtly because then Logan will show you how hurt he is that his own children betrayed him but at the same time never acknowledge them as people. Its incredible how those dynamics are often seen in every days life, I love this show
This might sound dumb bc it’s a completely different premise but Succession feels like the new “Six Feet Under” to me. dysfunctional HBO families, dark comedy, masterclass actors and writers, and a wicked instrumental theme
@@Dm34421 Those from the Sopranos are not rich, because most of their money can't be used. Haven't seen Six Feet Under, but i doubt the wealth of a family owning a company taking care of dead people is high. Just looking at some pictures makes my doubt increase even more. Average house, average clothing. Probably average wives too.
21:35 I had a boss like this in the military, by the end of the UN tour I figured he was trying to get me to commit suicide. Narcissistic emotionally stunted men with no oversight
Greg is fascinating. He clearly isn’t just after money as he walked away from his grandpas massive inheritance just to work at waystar. He wants power. I’d love to see a deep dive on Greg.
I’ve never seen Ted Lasso, but I think Ted would make Roman cry first even though Roman would absolutely strike first. I’m picturing something like: “Hey, buddy did I hear you say they put you in a dog crate? That sounds like a really tough thing for a kid, do you want to talk about it? Can I give you a hug?” *Roman frantically vomits insults* “It’s ok, I get why you want to keep that wall up, but I want you to know that I *see you* on the other side of that wall. Snd that kid in the crate? He deserved better. Now, I’d like it if you’d stop calling me names because I can’t lie- it sure does hurt my feelings, but I also think you deserve to be a little nicer to yourself. Now whaddya say? You want a second chance at that hug?”
in this video it seems like logan is only doing bad things bc that's what his position requires to be able to do "what's best for his children" but after watching season 3... man i think this man is just pure evil and doesn't care about anyone at all. can't wait for a video post s3
Is Kendall really on a journey of becoming a better person? I don’t think that’s what’s happening at least not this season. Seems like he’s going to be very performative on his quest to bring down his father and he’s only doing all of this to show to Logan that he is, in fact, a killer.
Honestly I don’t think that he’s becoming a better person. He’s like a big child that’s incredibly broken and had suppressed his emotions, the only release of those is when he does drugs. You can see that whenever he takes on his fathers order he looks like there’s a void inside. Then in season 3 when he finally gets his way and “proves” to his father that he can be the killer and can in fact kill him, he gets too lost in himself. He fails too realize that he actually needs therapy and he can’t change how his father views him cause quite frankly Logan is an a**hole, a bad father maybe even a villain but I would argue that most of the characters are as bad as each other so 😅
the worst thing about success culture in my experience is when rich people put lower class workers or homeless people down and call them a failure just because they did'nt make it. Especually when it's conservative black people to other black people in the black community
And those same black people who only achieved a fraction of the success and power their white counterparts had, start complaining when they get put in their place
@@LuisSierra42 I'm not a Trump supporter mate, I'm just a brother pointing behaviour in wealthy black in the U.S as well here in Southern Africa. They genuinely think there are gonna be equals with wealthy white men in a white supremacist society, or a world build for and by rich white dudes
“No Real Person Involved” vibes… that is a new one for me… I can’t believe that’s a real thing they just said like ew that’s so evil I’m gonna be sick… 🤢🤮
Media Zealot has made a nice supplementary video about this, as he mentionss the Sith-Lord's toxic and odd Sucession-Traditions a lot in one of his Videos.
I love the way The Take analyze the movies and series we love to see, letting us address important issues making us reflect a about our society. it’s take my attention that I have never seen one episode talking about war, is genre of cinema so I think there is so much to analyze about it, more than ever is very important to reflect about it, with all that is happening on the world. Pd. I know The Take want the best for us, the audiences by helping us to reflect about how we perceive reality and why, so we can be more wisely about we believe and think. I would love to hear about this theme and I’m waiting for The Take talk about war movies and their impact about our society ideals, beliefs and behavior
When I watch Succession, I'm always drawn back to the idea of childhood and arrested development. There's something inherently wrong and perverse about being born into immense wealth in a time where inequality levels near those of the Depression. In a society where money and its accumulation is considered the SINGULAR arbiter of success and the object of the masses' desire, growing up around so much of it can leave the kid with a feeling of "why does everyone want what I have so much of?" The meaning of life (and money, since isn't money life itself?) is lost. The end result is a cognitive dissonance in the child (exemplified by all of the Roy kids) where they cannot reconcile an objectively shitty and non-fulfilling life of endless facetiousness and vapidity with the societal narrative that money is supposed to make people happy- the kid feels wrong and empty for not giving money the same emotional and societal weight normal people do. That dissonance is at the core of each of the Roys' pathologies, and perfectly justifies their repeatedly subconscious self-sabotage: when you've always had it all, how else can you find meaning if not by crushing up the family jewels? - A One Percenter who adores Succession
Thoroughly enjoy the attempt at empathising the often troubling existence of the rich and white (very original), but objectively these are bad people. There is seemingly no way out because of the prevalent culture that allows them to move differently. I often find watching this show depressing because these are the models of people who make decisions that affect the lives of everyone else, including myself.
Whenever I find myself close to feeling sorry for one of them, they talk about laying off an entire company they own as easily as someone throws out garbage.
That final scene of season 2 had so much promise for this particular arc; Kendall possibly risking everything by turning on Logan because it truly is the right thing to do on behalf of all the 'NRPI' victims of Waystar Royco, Logan being pleased by this show of "killer instincts" and maybe even respects him for it, and the promise of an epic war between father and son. However, very quickly into the first episode of season 3, it's clear that Shiv is right; Kendall is doing this purely for the attention and to be seen as the "woke" hero, and isn't worthy of Logan's respect. Loved this season, but it kind of went no where in regards to that amazing season 2 finale.
It honestly fits pretty well Logan: Tywin (this one's obvious lol) Kendall: Tyrion (despite having the most conflict with his father is arguably the most similar to him, substance abuse issues) Shiv: Cersei (only daughter, constantly at odds with her father, very intelligent but thinks she's smarter than she actually is) Roman: Jaime (pretty boy, initially portrayed as the worst™ member of the family but seems to care the most about other people)
The show will give you anxiety then. I tried to watch it, and made it through the first season but everyone is so unlikeable and there is so much cruelty that I couldn’t watch it any more.
One thing we can learn with this show as well is that when you have a copious amount of power, there is no diference between your life and your career.
Kendall and the boy that died reminded me of Bojack with Sarah Lynn. They both were high, aided in ending a young persons life, waited/didn’t call the authorities because they didn’t want a bad look.
This breakdown is spot on. To have one of these kids emerge victorious is ludicrous- but watch them lie to themselves and others is so Shakespeare Best written show on tv right now
Technically, Kendal didn’t really kill the boy. It’s really just an accident in my opinion. But the problem is he didn’t call the police to try and rescue, because he can’t have scandals like this at the time
The problem is he was on the driver's seat under the influence, that's already illegal, doing that and getting into an accident that kills someone is different than just getting into an accident, since it can be concluded that the accident happened because of the drivers lack of control on their senses. Not calling for police is also pretty bad, but I do think the guy would've died anyway, Kendal tried to get him out and he was already gone, no ambulance would get there fast enough for him. So yeah it was an accident but he's still culpable.
I thought the dad smiles because he no longer has to struggle to hold on to his power. He no longer has to lie to hold on to power he no longer has. He smiles because he got a better deal by being dethroned.
Best current show and it’s not even close. Up there with the Sopranos in terms of writing, casting & acting. Costuming, set design, dialogue and even theme song all 10/10.
Great topic!! I kept wondering this as I watched the show. I’m an attorney and the show made me worry that I’m too amicable with my opposing attorneys lol
Media Zealot has made a nice supplementary video about this, as he mentionss the Sith-Lord's toxic and odd Sucession-Traditions a lot in one of his Videos.
A killer instinct is an important part of humanity. Disfunction in this part of the psyche is dangerous. What I have found is focusing on what you are protecting and only using it on external danger is what is most healthy. What makes this hard for Kendall is his external danger is his father. Amazing show.
When Roys brother says "your empire of shit." it reminds me of Nine Inch Nails - Hurt. Which speaks to shame, pain, disappointment and regret. All things I feel Roy, at his inner-most self combats with seeing how he has raised his kids.
I know they're deeply disfunctional but I love Kendall and when Logan tells him "You're my boy. You're my number one boy" it fucking kills me... He just wants his dad to love him fucking hell... and even at his lowest his dad is just manipulating him
I feel Shiv is the most like Logan...but, he never properly considered her. Either because of generic misogyny or because that was just a convenient excuse to exclude yet another 'unworthy successsor'.
I think he did really consider her, two times he's given her the keys only to flake. I think he genuinely wanted her in those brief moments but then began looking for a reason to change his mind.
In a twisted way, Logan sees himself as a good father. He gave everything to this children but love because he wants them to a strong as he was. He's only happy when they come close not only to defeat him but when they don't hide behind anybody to do so. Thing is, he's not going to let them win easily. The most toxic character of all time.
I think there Really is a huge reference the “The Game” 1997 if you compare the beginning of that movie, the intro is EXTREMELY similar. So much so that it can’t be a coincidence. Also, the main char is Logan rich as well.
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i just love how you rationalize cheating on your partner as adult.....
thepro08 is your
The only child Logan truly loves is his company.
Media Zealot has made a nice supplementary video about this,
as he mentionss the Sith-Lord's toxic and odd Sucession-Traditions a lot
in one of his Videos.
And just like the rest of his children, he's too tyrannically controlling of it and would rather slowly destroy it than watch it grow and thrive without him.
It’s about his “family” the legacy, the power, and the exercise of said power. His children aren’t their own people but extensions of himself and that dream. It’s classical narcissism and megalomania.
In another life he’d just be a dime-a-dozen sad little king in a sad sack town in the Midwest.
Yeah, I can see that, but Shiv is his favorite. In order:
Shiv
Kendall
Roman
And
Conner
Each of the three siblings up one another in buying to be the favorite and to get a 'Whattaboy', but Shiv is Logan's favorite.
No he loves himself.
Time and time again he makes bad decision that could ruin the company when he doesn't get his way.
He doesn't love anyone but himself and feeling in control like a true narcissist.
Kendall’s scene with his mother was perhaps the most heartbreaking scene of the second season. Just the the final door of familial access slammed shut.
100%. He regressed big time even calling her "Mum".
Great bit of telly.
That whole episode was so heartbreaking. I was crying when he went to the house of the boy he killed. He looked like such a sad puppy and you could tell guilt was eating him alive. Then he went home and was seeking to unburden himself on the one person in the world that is supposed to love you if no one else does and she basically told him she didn't want to hear it and disappeared the next morning. My poor Kendall 😢
I was so sad :(((
i heard someone say Succession is a show about emotions where no one talks about emotions
It's about words, yet every character rarely says what they mean.
@@zucchinigreen the sooner you realize this the sooner you give with the show. it’s completely intentional with lines like Kendall’s “i’m not saying this because i mean it- i’m saying it because..this is the time we’re all saying things.” and Logan’s “words. FUCKING words!”
I found it also extremely interesting how much logan roy exemplifies this toxic culture, not only in his business but also in his family. One of the reasons why his kids are the way they are is because they grew up in toxicity and don't seem to know anything else. There's like no escape from it, it's in the family home and in their professional life as well.
I believe this is precisely outlined in the video above
@pc calm yourself mr spazmoid
As someone who is from a toxic family, I found it extremely hard to watch Austerlitz, the episode where they went to family therapy. All the Roy children are too afraid to open up about their feelings in front of the therapist. My guess is it's not the first time they've done it and each time, nothing gets better. It was only when Kendall turned up high that he finally had the guts to confront their dad.
He also amplified the toxic culture outside of his family through ATN
@pc which one of the characters you're claiming are worse than Logan (none of them are worse than Logan) is not female? Those characters are all female...
i think its really intresting that even greg is saying "fuck off" now, hes been pulled deeply in the whole logan void
I mean his grandfather warned him didn't he? 🤧🤧🤧
I find MYSELF saying “fuck off” a lot now since I started binging the series 😂
The Logan vortex
@@BriannaGipson me too 😂
@@BriannaGipson me too lmao
Succession is like the best seasons of game of thrones but instead of being set in a fantastical world, it’s set in our modern world which honestly seems like fantasy considering the fact that the rich tycoons who rule it have more power than any medieval king or God
Spot on, absolutely this.
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Do an analysis of Tom and how the upper middle class want to separate from the lower class but would never be accepted by the upper class so they're stuck in the middle
the way tom is treated vs how he treats Greg specifically is my favorite dynamic in the show (it’s also the funniest in my opinion, you all know what it takes to make a tomlette.)
@@andrewstephens5885 greggs!
I would love to see that
In Tom case, its all because off his mindset. He's too much of a pushover to be accepted by the upperclass.
@@emmanuelmondesir1314 what exactly is he going to do about it?
Brian Cox is such a good actor
He’s amazing honestly
me, someone who has never watched an episode of Succession: WHAT EXCELLENT POINTS. DIDN'T SEE IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE
You should definitely watch the whole series, spoilers and all.
It's the best written show on TV.
You definitely should give it a watch! You'll be addicted
one of my favourite things about this channel is that the comment section has been either constructive or wholesome - and these comments prove it. truth be told, Mad Men is my favourite series of all time so if Succession can be on par (in terms of character development and writing) i am absolutely on board
Good god I hope you watch it
You should watch it the first 4 to 5 episodes were kinda boring but it gets better in later episodes of season 1 and season 2 is the bomb
At the end of Season 2 I was so proud of Kendall for dethroning his dad right there and then instead of just fully dissociating. Logan was about to send him to prison and Kendall has had such a difficult time defending himself against Logan.
The only time he’s been able to immediately and directly stand up to his father in the moment is when Logan hit Iverson or Roman.
But in a way, Kendall is still seeking his Dad’s approval so in a sick way he really hasn’t gotten out from under Logan at all.
@@samfilmkid I can see that, but he's definitely on a journey. Of the few options available when he realized Logan was throwing him under the bus he chose self preservation over self sacrifice to an unworthy parent.
It's interesting that he can only stand up to his father when he's defending someone else. Iverson, Roman, and the "NRPI"
@@samfilmkid of course he is still seeking his dad approval, and it ain’t sick is literally human nature, he wants to feel loved by the person who supposedly should love him the most, is the flaw and the fuel that keeps him going.
I don't think you're supposed to be proud or side any of the kids... they're bad people. you don't root for bad people
Wow this also serves as an excellent recap before the next season drops
Lisa is a succession fan my worlds are colliding
are you diane's sister?
@@zurzakne-etra7069 what is this? A crossover episode? 👏👏👏
Omg you watch Succession? 😲 Why does that surprise me?
Wait you watch succession? Love your cooking vids!!
The most hilarious part of this show is that its clear from the pilot that none of the Roy children are capable, knowledged enough or responsible enough to run Dad's business. Its not that they are too emotional, its that they are more eager to run a company than know how to run a company. The worst may be Chiv. She literally doesn't know how to do the job she wants. She is just more cut throat than her siblings. The smartest may be Roman because he is the most aware of what he doesn't know.
Agreed. That highlights the idiocy of a system in which the company would be passed down by virtue of lineage. While not all major companies are handles this way, far to many are. So many billionaire took over their parent empire by simply being the least bad choice in the bunch.
Yeah, but another important thing to be noticed is that Logan himself is responsible for creating his incapable children. He just wants to extend his ego without knowing that they are individuals with their own mind, traits and complexities. No one is able to create themselves because everybody has a different path and story.
Honestly, both shiv and kendall could probably do an ok job. Connor's got his head in the clouds and Roman lacks the ability to do the everyday grind that a CEO requires, but Shiv and Kendall both are smart enough to listen to their good counselors and make reasonably-OK decisions, and diligent enough to stick to it when it gets tedious and boring. Remember, they don't have to build an empire, just maintain it.
The problem is that Roy can't stand to let anyone take over, so he'll undercut them when it looks like they might succeed.
Her name is literally Chiv (which sounds like a weapon created to stab people)
Media Zealot has made a nice supplementary video about this,
as he mentionss the Sith-Lord's toxic and odd Sucession-Traditions a lot
in one of his Star-Wars-Videos.
This show is amazing. The characters and their hypocrisy makes me recoil from disgust everytime I watch, especially since as a viewer we see them for what they truly are. Logan bullies his kids, his kids bully others and those others also look for outlets to their anger. Tom is the best example. Acts like a real 'player' and 'corporate bad boy' around colleagues (and Greg) by insisting he's a prick when infact his role and attitude around the Roys is laughable. Really goes to show how easy it is to get caught up in toxic cultures: Everyone steps on the weaker person just to appear bigger. The Roy kids would actually be very happy if they didnt constantly have to prove this 'killer instinct' and prove themselves to Logan
Media Zealot has made a nice supplementary video about this,
as he mentionss the Sith-Lord's toxic and odd Sucession-Traditions a lot
in one of his Videos.
Nothing enviable about this family , yes , they have wealth , power but perpetually
trying to back stab each other . Toxic n sad . Thank God it’s only a movie !!!
@@rozyue1177 I don't think the inspiration for this was born from thin air. These situations and types of families I'm sure are very real.
@@Ava_sava u r probably right !!!
I personally think it takes much more strength to be a kind and caring person. Being a twisted liar who is devoid of emotion is a sign of great weakness.
It was not the comment "You're not a killer" that drove Kendall over the edge.
It was a comment after that. When Ken says, "It should be me. I should have to pay... for the boy." And Logan says, "No, no, No! No Real Person involved..." It was that comment that made Kendall see Logan as a monster, that needed to be destroyed. Kendall had been told several times that he was not a Killer. So many times that it lost its effect on him. And something he grew to believe and wear as a badge of honor. It gave him the ability to see himself as GOOD and his Dad as BAD.
This is what the ACTOR Jeremy Strong said about Kendall. Because it was Jeremy Storng that went to the writers and said "Youre not a killer is not enough to trigger a war." It was the casual dismissal of the dead boy, as well as the cruises victims, plus the victimization of hismelf and his siblings, the dismissal of Naomi... resentment from losing the take over - it all cumlinated.
And lets not forget. Kendall also seems to have Narcisstic Personalty Disorder, as well as addiction issues. He is not a saint. He is a coked up squirrel.
According to the HBO site, Shiv is actually the youngest and Roman is the second youngest - I find this interesting as I just assumed Roman was the youngest as well.
I think that's why Caroline seems to hate Shiv. Logan pressured her to have a third child with him because he already had two sons and wanted a daughter for a change.
I thought Roman and Shiv were twins
I love how they ignored Connor just like the show does, makes you think, ‘cause we’ve seen him bullying other too
He was interested in politics at a very young age
@@akashchavda9679 lmfao, I’m mad no one got this 😂😂
“You’re marrying a man fathoms beneath you because you don’t want to risk being betrayed.”
After season 3’s finale this line hits hard. Ifykyk.
You should make a video about the "rich family" trope in tv, films and media in general. You can talk about Succession as well as Dallas, Dynasty and so many other shows and movies.
And Empire, about a rich Black family in the music industry
@China Laughton "Everyone" is a stretch. Besides, the wealthy aren't worthy of respect. Fuck em.
that's a good idea, there are SO many shows just about wealthy families.
Something maybe about corruption, or any good way to tie in this show with Arrested Development and Schitt's Creek (similarities and differences).
@@sheevinopalpatino4782 you mad cause you poor
After 3 seasons i don't think the main theme is about success. It's more about abusive relationship between Logan the narcissistic father and his kids. The control he holds over his kids by dividing them, manipulating them into rivalry to seek his approval which is a lost cause. I think that's why the show highlighted how emotionally damaged the kids are.
I think NRPI has a deeper, more disturbing meaning. It's not that they don't matter, it's that they don't exist in their heads. As in, they're not worth building a mental, emotional model for. Like the caterer or the family they gave they offered a million dollars for the baseball. This is definitely a consequence of status inequality, and in the case of the show it extends from Logan Roy's natural narcissism downwards. Which is why one of the questions everyone asks him is, is this real? As in, are you going to do anything about this or are you just going to put another delusion in my head to control me? The reason Succession has so much punch is that it shows how late corporate capitalism empowers people like this. All civilizations do - many of the "great men" in history were war criminals of the worst order - but we must ask if we as a society should enable their behavior and make their perceptions about other people "real".
At the end of season 2 you can only hear one question Kendall is asked by reporters - "Do you have anything to say to the families of the victims of these crimes?" as he walks off the stage. After the first episode of season 3 it shows you how we've been set up to support Kendall as the "good guy" but he is not that at all probably.
None of them is a good guy
I don’t see how anyone could think any of them are good guys. They are all really deplorable humans. Albeit I can sympathize with them sometimes.
@@coletteletoyeah they all suck
Yes. Yes the way we tend to define “success” is absolutely toxic. Success at all costs. Success at the cost of others. True success is being healthy in body heart and mind, loving relationships with others, and contributing value that you believe is beneficial to humanity. 💗
Not everyone does so.
This is true. It's sad how most of successful people have this.
@@nenmaster5218 well yeah we know not everyone does so, most people are toxic.
Gotta give the mule a carrot to chase.
The thing about the NRPI comment from Logan at the end of season two is that Kendall realized his father has learned nothing. He's sacrificing his son to get away clean. I'd turn too.
I love this show but it is very triggering for me, being the daughter of a narcissistic father. Even though I don't talk to my father anymore, I feel I just can't escape his looming shadow.
The respect you have for such a figure but at the same time you hate him and the hate turns to shame for feeling that way. It's a roller coaster. So well depicted in the show.
Boohoo
This happens a lot of times in collectivist cultures
It's very well put. I'm glad you were able to cut contact with your father. Also, you don't have to be ashamed of still loving him. Being able to feel love without accepting to be mistreated by him is just the proof that in spite of what you've been through, you're still able to love others and yourself.
Stop being triggered. Get therapy, if you get triggered by a tv show there's still a strong hold he's got on you.
@@Jamjar-iu3ji sure sir/ ma'am.. But not to sound bitchy.. You could have read my comment and moved on.. But you decided to give an unsolicited advice..i mean nothing against stranger giving advice on my life choices but next time just click the dislike button. Have a good day! 🙂
omg my best friend made me watch this whole show and then we had a messy falling out and I've had nobody to talk about it with. There is SO much to unpack, thank you for your important work. Very excited to see upcoming episodes.
So sorry you had a messy falling out. I know the feels as it happened to me recently. Hope you're doing okay! :)
@@sageelder4480 ugh me too we need to start a support group
Thank you so much for making this video. Since season 3 is just around the corner I was looking for video essays about succession, because I'm obsessed with this show
Can't wait to see Ewen's analysis, he's an interesting side character and he really knows Logan in an intimate way the others don't.
This sums up my entire life and just my Dad telling me that my emotions made me weak.
Sorry you had to go through that
I'm late to the game on this one but I was also late to Succession. This level of analysis is why I watch this channel. It helps me make sense of that crazy family and it's also validating to see the very real parallels with the narcissism/power plays I experience on my mom's side. - The family scapegoat
The grown children of that series invariably make me think of the grown Trump children. They have inherited status and privelege, and yet they always look and act like they're totally miserable and desperate for love and affirmation. Don Jr. usually looks all coked up in his public appearances, while Tiffany looks unwanted and excluded, and Eric just looks like he'd much rather live a simple life as an organic farmer in Montana away from the rat race and the limelight and the nastiness. Ivanka is the only sibling who does looks together, but then again I guess she was the favorite, even if her marriage is likely a lavender one.
Literally where did you pull this out of? Your ass?
@@LC-pr5or The countless articles, books, and parodies done about the family probably had some influence
I was thinking exactly that while i was watching this video
Rat race?
Good take
The Roy family is basically the Lannisters minus the...well, y’know.
Peter Dinklage?
Puppy dog incest?
Beheading?
16:30
Yeah.... Right
I am having a feeling that at the end Tom is gonna take over everything,cause everyone’s thinking that he is a punching bag but at last he is gonna reveal the kind of a beast he is . We got a glimpse of this at the end of s3 also
Connor Roy was interested in politics at a very young age
I mean the narcissism is so subtly because then Logan will show you how hurt he is that his own children betrayed him but at the same time never acknowledge them as people. Its incredible how those dynamics are often seen in every days life, I love this show
This might sound dumb bc it’s a completely different premise but Succession feels like the new “Six Feet Under” to me. dysfunctional HBO families, dark comedy, masterclass actors and writers, and a wicked instrumental theme
HBO has always made shows about dysfunctional rich people. Nothing new about this show
@@Dm34421 What other examples includes rich people with dysfunctional behavior?
@@thomasnielsen5580 the sopranos, sex and the city, entourage, six feet under
@@Dm34421 Those from the Sopranos are not rich, because most of their money can't be used. Haven't seen Six Feet Under, but i doubt the wealth of a family owning a company taking care of dead people is high. Just looking at some pictures makes my doubt increase even more. Average house, average clothing. Probably average wives too.
Except no one in the Fischer family is a PoS 😂
Roman is not the youngest. He is the middle child. Shiv is the youngest. Yep, I was shocked when I found out. It explains a lot, now.
21:35 I had a boss like this in the military, by the end of the UN tour I figured he was trying to get me to commit suicide. Narcissistic emotionally stunted men with no oversight
Could you do a character study on Greg? I have a feeling he will end up on the Iron Throne. He's the wolf in geek's clothing.
Greg is fascinating. He clearly isn’t just after money as he walked away from his grandpas massive inheritance just to work at waystar. He wants power. I’d love to see a deep dive on Greg.
If Ted Lasso met Roman Roy, who would made whom cry first and why?
Since Lasso and succession are my two current favorite shows, I ask myself the same question
We'd have to set up a friendly between AFC Richmond and Hearts to find out! Or was it Hibs...?
I’ve never seen Ted Lasso, but I think Ted would make Roman cry first even though Roman would absolutely strike first.
I’m picturing something like:
“Hey, buddy did I hear you say they put you in a dog crate? That sounds like a really tough thing for a kid, do you want to talk about it? Can I give you a hug?”
*Roman frantically vomits insults*
“It’s ok, I get why you want to keep that wall up, but I want you to know that I *see you* on the other side of that wall. Snd that kid in the crate? He deserved better. Now, I’d like it if you’d stop calling me names because I can’t lie- it sure does hurt my feelings, but I also think you deserve to be a little nicer to yourself. Now whaddya say? You want a second chance at that hug?”
@@eliza6971 no literally would therapize him to tears
@@ckaledin Well, Rebecca and the Roys share a mother so... it could be easier that we think!
Just watched the S3 finale - can’t wait for you guys to add more, this show is fantastically done
in this video it seems like logan is only doing bad things bc that's what his position requires to be able to do "what's best for his children" but after watching season 3... man i think this man is just pure evil and doesn't care about anyone at all. can't wait for a video post s3
I thought Logan was as bad as his children.
I love this video I so can't wait for the in depth character studies
Is Kendall really on a journey of becoming a better person? I don’t think that’s what’s happening at least not this season. Seems like he’s going to be very performative on his quest to bring down his father and he’s only doing all of this to show to Logan that he is, in fact, a killer.
I feel like at this end of this show kendall would finally beat logan only to lose himself and become a "logan"
Honestly I don’t think that he’s becoming a better person. He’s like a big child that’s incredibly broken and had suppressed his emotions, the only release of those is when he does drugs. You can see that whenever he takes on his fathers order he looks like there’s a void inside. Then in season 3 when he finally gets his way and “proves” to his father that he can be the killer and can in fact kill him, he gets too lost in himself. He fails too realize that he actually needs therapy and he can’t change how his father views him cause quite frankly Logan is an a**hole, a bad father maybe even a villain but I would argue that most of the characters are as bad as each other so 😅
Sam. Do you know what a “Mishima” is?
@@Darth_Bateman No, what is it?
@@samfilmkid :) ….. The answers to ALL of your questions about the Roy’s and where they are going.
All ya gotta do is look up Tekken.
the worst thing about success culture in my experience is when rich people put lower class workers or homeless people down and call them a failure just because they did'nt make it. Especually when it's conservative black people to other black people in the black community
And those same black people who only achieved a fraction of the success and power their white counterparts had, start complaining when they get put in their place
@@kitotapgono1467 Trump supporter detected
@@LuisSierra42 I'm not a Trump supporter mate, I'm just a brother pointing behaviour in wealthy black in the U.S as well here in Southern Africa. They genuinely think there are gonna be equals with wealthy white men in a white supremacist society, or a world build for and by rich white dudes
@@LuisSierra42 Whilst also constantly betraying genuine movements and fights for decent human rights
Op has bot vibes
This show reminds me of my own family, we just don't have the money this family does. Def the toxic baggage though.
Ok boomer
I hope you will be able to break the circle. At least for your peace of mind.
Yep the show totally reminds me how toxic my family is
Great analysis of my favorite show!!! So looking forward to your next Succession video on character analysis, especially Roman’s Oedipal complex.
Succession is one of the greatest-written shows I’ve ever watched. Definitely gonna tune in for the next (and maybe?), final 4th season.
I'm so excited for more Succession Takes!
"Everyone who isn't us is an enemy ' vibes
But also "we are our own worst enemies" vibes.
“No Real Person Involved” vibes… that is a new one for me… I can’t believe that’s a real thing they just said like ew that’s so evil I’m gonna be sick… 🤢🤮
@@loverrlee they think "other" people are less than them...
Media Zealot has made a nice supplementary video about this,
as he mentionss the Sith-Lord's toxic and odd Sucession-Traditions a lot
in one of his Videos.
I love the way The Take analyze the movies and series we love to see, letting us address important issues making us reflect a about our society. it’s take my attention that I have never seen one episode talking about war, is genre of cinema so I think there is so much to analyze about it, more than ever is very important to reflect about it, with all that is happening on the world. Pd. I know The Take want the best for us, the audiences by helping us to reflect about how we perceive reality and why, so we can be more wisely about we believe and think. I would love to hear about this theme and I’m waiting for The Take talk about war movies and their impact about our society ideals, beliefs and behavior
When I watch Succession, I'm always drawn back to the idea of childhood and arrested development. There's something inherently wrong and perverse about being born into immense wealth in a time where inequality levels near those of the Depression. In a society where money and its accumulation is considered the SINGULAR arbiter of success and the object of the masses' desire, growing up around so much of it can leave the kid with a feeling of "why does everyone want what I have so much of?" The meaning of life (and money, since isn't money life itself?) is lost. The end result is a cognitive dissonance in the child (exemplified by all of the Roy kids) where they cannot reconcile an objectively shitty and non-fulfilling life of endless facetiousness and vapidity with the societal narrative that money is supposed to make people happy- the kid feels wrong and empty for not giving money the same emotional and societal weight normal people do. That dissonance is at the core of each of the Roys' pathologies, and perfectly justifies their repeatedly subconscious self-sabotage: when you've always had it all, how else can you find meaning if not by crushing up the family jewels?
- A One Percenter who adores Succession
Thank you for describing the show just how it is. No analysis, nothing, the void.
Thoroughly enjoy the attempt at empathising the often troubling existence of the rich and white (very original), but objectively these are bad people. There is seemingly no way out because of the prevalent culture that allows them to move differently. I often find watching this show depressing because these are the models of people who make decisions that affect the lives of everyone else, including myself.
Whenever I find myself close to feeling sorry for one of them, they talk about laying off an entire company they own as easily as someone throws out garbage.
“No Real Person Involved.” These people are so narcissistic they literally don’t believe other people are PEOPLE. WTF. 🤢🤮
I think it’s crazy how most of our leaders are sociopaths. How we as a society raise sociopathic traits up in the world to succeed.
That final scene of season 2 had so much promise for this particular arc; Kendall possibly risking everything by turning on Logan because it truly is the right thing to do on behalf of all the 'NRPI' victims of Waystar Royco, Logan being pleased by this show of "killer instincts" and maybe even respects him for it, and the promise of an epic war between father and son. However, very quickly into the first episode of season 3, it's clear that Shiv is right; Kendall is doing this purely for the attention and to be seen as the "woke" hero, and isn't worthy of Logan's respect. Loved this season, but it kind of went no where in regards to that amazing season 2 finale.
Yeah, the Roys are definitely modern-day Lannisters (probably not an accident).
It honestly fits pretty well
Logan: Tywin (this one's obvious lol)
Kendall: Tyrion (despite having the most conflict with his father is arguably the most similar to him, substance abuse issues)
Shiv: Cersei (only daughter, constantly at odds with her father, very intelligent but thinks she's smarter than she actually is)
Roman: Jaime (pretty boy, initially portrayed as the worst™ member of the family but seems to care the most about other people)
I knew it! Spotted the similarities after watching their GoT symbolism vids
Wow. I could not handle watching this show. The summary gives me anxiety.
please do its amazing
It is pretty intense and sometimes painfully so; but it is worth watching.
It’s a great show. Everyone is awful and yet they all have a vulnerability to them so you don’t just dismiss them.
It's worth watching. The anxiety you feel turns into adrenaline lol.
I can't wait for season 3.
The show will give you anxiety then. I tried to watch it, and made it through the first season but everyone is so unlikeable and there is so much cruelty that I couldn’t watch it any more.
This show is sooo well written .. thanks for the break down / recap of the seasons .. can't wait till Sunday.
One thing we can learn with this show as well is that when you have a copious amount of power, there is no diference between your life and your career.
YES ive been waiting for this
Kendall and the boy that died reminded me of Bojack with Sarah Lynn. They both were high, aided in ending a young persons life, waited/didn’t call the authorities because they didn’t want a bad look.
This breakdown is spot on. To have one of these kids emerge victorious is ludicrous- but watch them lie to themselves and others is so Shakespeare
Best written show on tv right now
Finally I was waiting for this 😍😍😍
Succession truly is a brilliantly written show
Technically, Kendal didn’t really kill the boy. It’s really just an accident in my opinion. But the problem is he didn’t call the police to try and rescue, because he can’t have scandals like this at the time
He didn’t kill him with hands but he did with actions by causing his death
Edit: he also didn’t try to help him
@@MaRyaYTOfficial The boy had the drug and got in the car willingly
@@janew.8584 yes they both put themselves in that situation, and it was an accident but Kendall could’ve tried to help him/get help.
@@MaRyaYTOfficial Isn't that what I said in the comment?
The problem is he was on the driver's seat under the influence, that's already illegal, doing that and getting into an accident that kills someone is different than just getting into an accident, since it can be concluded that the accident happened because of the drivers lack of control on their senses. Not calling for police is also pretty bad, but I do think the guy would've died anyway, Kendal tried to get him out and he was already gone, no ambulance would get there fast enough for him. So yeah it was an accident but he's still culpable.
Thanks, was waiting for this
I thought the dad smiles because he no longer has to struggle to hold on to his power. He no longer has to lie to hold on to power he no longer has. He smiles because he got a better deal by being dethroned.
Best current show and it’s not even close. Up there with the Sopranos in terms of writing, casting & acting. Costuming, set design, dialogue and even theme song all 10/10.
Great topic!! I kept wondering this as I watched the show. I’m an attorney and the show made me worry that I’m too amicable with my opposing attorneys lol
I need an individual video of everyone of the characters ! One of the best character developments I've ever seen
i love you guys, i'm glad there is ppl doing this kind of content
More videos on succession please. This is such a great show.
Been waiting for these series for a longgg time
Looking forward to more great analysis of this awesome show.
Media Zealot has made a nice supplementary video about this,
as he mentionss the Sith-Lord's toxic and odd Sucession-Traditions a lot
in one of his Videos.
A killer instinct is an important part of humanity. Disfunction in this part of the psyche is dangerous. What I have found is focusing on what you are protecting and only using it on external danger is what is most healthy. What makes this hard for Kendall is his external danger is his father. Amazing show.
When Roys brother says "your empire of shit." it reminds me of Nine Inch Nails - Hurt. Which speaks to shame, pain, disappointment and regret. All things I feel Roy, at his inner-most self combats with seeing how he has raised his kids.
Enjoyed this as much as the show. Bring on the character studies!
Tywin Lannister would love Logan Roy.
so excited that you're doing extended coverage for this one :)
I CANNOT WAIT for the character study videos!
I know they're deeply disfunctional but I love Kendall and when Logan tells him "You're my boy. You're my number one boy" it fucking kills me... He just wants his dad to love him fucking hell... and even at his lowest his dad is just manipulating him
This beautiful Shakespearian diamond 💙🧡💜❤💚 I AM OBSESSED
Thank you guys
Excellent summation of all the characters' actions and choices (or lack thereof) throughout the series so far!
I feel Shiv is the most like Logan...but, he never properly considered her. Either because of generic misogyny or because that was just a convenient excuse to exclude yet another 'unworthy successsor'.
I think he did really consider her, two times he's given her the keys only to flake. I think he genuinely wanted her in those brief moments but then began looking for a reason to change his mind.
Excellent video. I'm quite excited to see your take on Roman. Hope we can see that video soon.
I like pushing down my feelings because if you push down your feelings you don't get hurt.
This reminds me of Hamlet at 7:18 because Hamlet was trying to kill his dad but had difficulty due to his own moral compass.
Love it when the take swears, keep it up
This lady knows what the fuck she is talking about. One of the best succession videos I've seen so far.
I’m sure it’s a good video but all I’m commenting here is how the title made me realize succession has the word success in it. Neat!
I love this show , I'm so happy you're diving deep down in it
finally a succession video 😭 so excited for another alreayd
I always thought Logan would respect someone who stood up to him...but everyone is way too scared to try.
In a twisted way, Logan sees himself as a good father. He gave everything to this children but love because he wants them to a strong as he was. He's only happy when they come close not only to defeat him but when they don't hide behind anybody to do so. Thing is, he's not going to let them win easily. The most toxic character of all time.
I think there Really is a huge reference the “The Game” 1997 if you compare the beginning of that movie, the intro is EXTREMELY similar. So much so that it can’t be a coincidence. Also, the main char is Logan rich as well.
Amazing video, made me understand a lot more
Looking foward to the other videos!
I’m so excited for season 3 it’s not even healthy 🥴
Also super pumped for your video-essays on this fantastic show. Once again amazing video! 🙌
1:57 Ironic cause he's the only one that kill someone