So much, I actually felt the fear when he was in the scene, much like any abusive person. That feeling that they'll snap at any time and berate you or even hit you
Yes. He's a manipulative, narcissistic, psychopath who sees his children as possessions and extensions of himself. He feels no love, but pretends he does so he cam manipulate and abuse his children. There is nothing redeeming or good about him. Idk if these guys know what an anti-hero is.
Why are Fox so devoid of integrity, does it start at the top. What is it about billionaires, D Trump, R Murdoch, Ex Sir R Brierley, Jeffrey Edward Epstein, What have these guys got in common ?
If the show was like Sopranos or Mad Men, it would have been from Logan's point of view. Instead, Jesse Armstrong brilliantly puts us in the shoes of the anti-heroes children and we learn the heavy price everyone close to a TV anti hero pays just for being near him.
I always took the whole Logan came from nothing to be a total lie. When the kids see the house he used to live in they are surprised by how nice it is. Not at all what they were expecting. I think that Logan likely came from a lower middle class family or even a middle class family not a poor family. As for him having to use an outdoor toilet well that would make sense as only the extremely wealthy had indoor toilets in Britain in the 1930/40s. People also misunderstand Tom's class. His parents are wealthy lawyers for heaven's sake, sure they aren't the part of 1% but Tom is still from a very privileged background.
That's exactly what I think. Millionaires love saying they 'came from the bottom' even when they obviously didn't, so it wouldn't be too unreal to see Logan lying about the same stuff.
Well if you want to get into semantics and act like people are saying literally nothing then you have a point. He was born to a widow named Helen Roy. Logan was 4 or maybe 5 (so it was 1942 or 1943) when his mother put he and his two siblings on a ship to go live with an uncle in Quebec. This uncle had a print shop while also owning some land and cattle. To go from that to building a global media empire and become a billionaire is not the trivial feat you try to make it out to be.
I don't really disagree with your main point but after the kids express surprise at how nice the house is, we hear Logan mention in private that it's completely changed.
I find it funny that all of his sons can be quite nurturing, but his only daughter, the one he probably neglected and abused the least, isnt nurturing or protective over anyone at all.
Eh, Ewan is a man of strong moral convictions. But empathetic and caring? You just have to look at how he's treating his grandson, and you can see he's not.
I liked what you said at the end about the world pushing us to be ruthless and that Succession is a cautionary tale for the costs of that ruthlessness. I see a lot of it in myself at work and try (and often fail) to not be consumed by greed.
Sorry, but "his supernatural ability to apparently always win" - that's just cold Plot Armor. Logan's "instincts" suck most of the time we see him on screen and he mostly just hangs onto power somehow (barely) because he already has it. Season 1 - the company was going to be destroyed because of the debt he created 30 years before and never resolved. Kendall has to find a solution while Logain is out of commission, and as a result Stewy and Sandy become major shareholders. Logan whines about it later but gives no indication whatsoever what else he would've done (and he didn't do anything in over 30 years). He destabilizes the company also by alienienating Kendall due to his inability to give up power and his paranoia. This and his health issues and erratic behavior (and compulsive buying of a bunch of local TV stations while not understanding the importance of tech) results in him almost getting the Vote of No Confidence. He's basically saved by luck (Kendall trapped in traffic, Roman as a result gets more easily intimidated by Logan and changes his vote.) He never saw that coming and he also doesn't see the hostile takeover coming. Again he's about to lose and gets saved by luck and Kendall getting into trouble by going to get drugs and committing vehicular manslaughte, which Logan uses to blackmail and break him. The hostile takeover threat is however there and lasts till halfway through season 3. The company is weakened and it's mostly through Logan's actions (or failure to resolve things) and then he has to try to buy Pierce to strengthen his position. He has a poor strategy for buying Pierce (just offer more money - the same things he mocks his kids for when they acually manage to beat him for it in season 4) and he and the rest of the family fumble the meeting horribly - and it's mostly Logan's fault. He's the most embarrassing person, especially when he can't stop arguing with his wife in front of everyone. Then the skeletons from the closet in the cruise division come... and again Logan is on the defense, Shiv manages to silence a survivor, Kendall makes a good speech in the Congress, but Rhea Jarrell, who was supposed to be his buffer (new female CEO!) and who he also had a thing for (but didn't manage to get her into bed) rejects him fully after learning the extent of the scandal and leaves. He misjudges his own son horribly and expects Kendall to agree to be the "blood sacrifice", which he pretends to only to publicly denounce him in a press conference and try to put him in the jail instead, leaving Logan panicking and yelling and struggling for the first half of season 3, when FBI even raids the company (Logan's genius answer is "tell them to f**K off" at which point Gerri loses patience with him. Logan Roy is not a serious person. Then he is about to lose the shareholder vote to Stewy and Sandy and Sandi, and hopes to resolve it with... giving a speech? Thankfully for him, UTI saves him the embarrassment, while Shiv bails him out by making a deal (and again, he berates one of his kids for saving his ass, and claims he would've done better, but when asked what, gives no alternative solution). He didn't win when he tried to buy Pierce. He decides to buy GoJo (which was Kendall's idea) - finally he's starting to realize the importance of tech - but Matsson turns it around and turns out to be more powerful and wants to buy Waystar instead. And what does Logan do when faced with someone more powerful? He folds. And agrees to sell the company, except for the crappy TV station. He does 'win' over the kids because Tom betrays Shiv (because Tom always tries to suck up to the most powerful person and also his issues with Shiv - not anything smart Logan did). He again loses on trying to buy Pierce. He manages to alienate pretty much everyone, and then he dies in a toilet while fishing for a phone (probably because he just heard his most loyal and forgiving child finally tell him off after he pushed him too far). Was he a great businessman once when he was building his empire? Maybe, but most of the time we saw him in the show, he's fumbling the ball disastrously.
He doesn't have to be very good to always win. He just has to be better than his dumb kids. As long as everyone else playing is even worse, Logan always wins.
@@cbushin So, he can only win if his opponents are the children he abused and tried to prevent from ever growing up and that he can manipulate because they yearn for his validation? Wow. How impressive. Just the man to be in awe of.
Logan Roy is capitalism, because the end-goal of capitalism before 1967 was to reach the center of the universe, and so every sacrifice and monstrosity committed in its name was "for the greater good". Most of Rupert Murdoch's life was post-1967, but that era, *our* era, is one devoid of any meaning, and so the meaning we are left with is nostalgia for the capitalist quest itself. What Succession tells us, accurately, is spoken by Roman Roy - "nothing really matters". Friedrich Nietzsche was completely wrong - God (the purpose of reaching the center of the universe, God's spiritual home) in fact (at least to us) does exist, which is why we remain unable to form meaning in our age. In light of the Manabe/Wetherald atmospheric model we no longer believe that escaping Earth prior to our extinction is a reasonable possibility.
Logan reminded me a bit of Vito Corleone. A man whose offspring were never the man he was. However unlike the Corleone offspring there was Michael who came close but was ultimately too vicious in the end. None of Logan' s children are even close to being the man he was.
You are wrong about Lachlan and Kendall. Kendall was based on James Murdoch. That has been confirmed by Jeremy Strong, and is also really obvious in particular with the hearing scene and the whole cruise scandal blood sacrifice plot. Plus interest in tech, in rap music..
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One of the most captivating TV characters of all time, his intimidating presence brought so much to the show
So much, I actually felt the fear when he was in the scene, much like any abusive person. That feeling that they'll snap at any time and berate you or even hit you
Logan is in no way an antihero. His kids are antiheroes. Logan's just a straight up villain.
Yes. He's a manipulative, narcissistic, psychopath who sees his children as possessions and extensions of himself. He feels no love, but pretends he does so he cam manipulate and abuse his children. There is nothing redeeming or good about him. Idk if these guys know what an anti-hero is.
There’s no “anti hero” in succession it’s just not really that kind of show. However I’d say every character in succession is a villain.
Why are Fox so devoid of integrity, does it start at the top. What is it about billionaires, D Trump, R Murdoch, Ex Sir R Brierley, Jeffrey Edward Epstein, What have these guys got in common ?
If the show was like Sopranos or Mad Men, it would have been from Logan's point of view. Instead, Jesse Armstrong brilliantly puts us in the shoes of the anti-heroes children and we learn the heavy price everyone close to a TV anti hero pays just for being near him.
I always took the whole Logan came from nothing to be a total lie. When the kids see the house he used to live in they are surprised by how nice it is. Not at all what they were expecting. I think that Logan likely came from a lower middle class family or even a middle class family not a poor family. As for him having to use an outdoor toilet well that would make sense as only the extremely wealthy had indoor toilets in Britain in the 1930/40s. People also misunderstand Tom's class. His parents are wealthy lawyers for heaven's sake, sure they aren't the part of 1% but Tom is still from a very privileged background.
The Logan clan think they work way harder than they actually do
That's exactly what I think. Millionaires love saying they 'came from the bottom' even when they obviously didn't, so it wouldn't be too unreal to see Logan lying about the same stuff.
Well if you want to get into semantics and act like people are saying literally nothing then you have a point. He was born to a widow named Helen Roy. Logan was 4 or maybe 5 (so it was 1942 or 1943) when his mother put he and his two siblings on a ship to go live with an uncle in Quebec. This uncle had a print shop while also owning some land and cattle. To go from that to building a global media empire and become a billionaire is not the trivial feat you try to make it out to be.
I don't really disagree with your main point but after the kids express surprise at how nice the house is, we hear Logan mention in private that it's completely changed.
to be fair, logan was born/grew up in Scotland in the 1930/40s, which was pretty poor at the time.
Logan Roy is a straight-up villain not an anti-hero
Jesse Armstrong's writing about Logan, his children, his business, and the world in which they exist, really hit home.
Please do a character study on Lukas Matsson or Connor Roy.
"A man who would burn the world just to reignite a spark in the darkness of his own heart."
Damn, okay. Nice, very very nice there, you guys
I find it funny that all of his sons can be quite nurturing, but his only daughter, the one he probably neglected and abused the least, isnt nurturing or protective over anyone at all.
Shiv knew any sign of emotion from her would automatically cause Logan to dismiss her for being a woman.
I suppose the sons wanted to be the men their father wasn’t, and Shiv wanted to be the killer her father was.
@@danielwisniewski6962 but Logan had a lot of fondness for Marcia, but shiv never seemed to be the slightest bit sweet to Tom
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Eh, Ewan is a man of strong moral convictions. But empathetic and caring? You just have to look at how he's treating his grandson, and you can see he's not.
I liked what you said at the end about the world pushing us to be ruthless and that Succession is a cautionary tale for the costs of that ruthlessness. I see a lot of it in myself at work and try (and often fail) to not be consumed by greed.
Its funny how succession can present such an archetypal villain and people describing him as an antihero
It´ll take a long time before we have another show like this
Sorry, but "his supernatural ability to apparently always win" - that's just cold Plot Armor. Logan's "instincts" suck most of the time we see him on screen and he mostly just hangs onto power somehow (barely) because he already has it.
Season 1 - the company was going to be destroyed because of the debt he created 30 years before and never resolved. Kendall has to find a solution while Logain is out of commission, and as a result Stewy and Sandy become major shareholders. Logan whines about it later but gives no indication whatsoever what else he would've done (and he didn't do anything in over 30 years).
He destabilizes the company also by alienienating Kendall due to his inability to give up power and his paranoia. This and his health issues and erratic behavior (and compulsive buying of a bunch of local TV stations while not understanding the importance of tech) results in him almost getting the Vote of No Confidence. He's basically saved by luck (Kendall trapped in traffic, Roman as a result gets more easily intimidated by Logan and changes his vote.)
He never saw that coming and he also doesn't see the hostile takeover coming. Again he's about to lose and gets saved by luck and Kendall getting into trouble by going to get drugs and committing vehicular manslaughte, which Logan uses to blackmail and break him. The hostile takeover threat is however there and lasts till halfway through season 3. The company is weakened and it's mostly through Logan's actions (or failure to resolve things) and then he has to try to buy Pierce to strengthen his position.
He has a poor strategy for buying Pierce (just offer more money - the same things he mocks his kids for when they acually manage to beat him for it in season 4) and he and the rest of the family fumble the meeting horribly - and it's mostly Logan's fault. He's the most embarrassing person, especially when he can't stop arguing with his wife in front of everyone.
Then the skeletons from the closet in the cruise division come... and again Logan is on the defense, Shiv manages to silence a survivor, Kendall makes a good speech in the Congress, but Rhea Jarrell, who was supposed to be his buffer (new female CEO!) and who he also had a thing for (but didn't manage to get her into bed) rejects him fully after learning the extent of the scandal and leaves.
He misjudges his own son horribly and expects Kendall to agree to be the "blood sacrifice", which he pretends to only to publicly denounce him in a press conference and try to put him in the jail instead, leaving Logan panicking and yelling and struggling for the first half of season 3, when FBI even raids the company (Logan's genius answer is "tell them to f**K off" at which point Gerri loses patience with him.
Logan Roy is not a serious person.
Then he is about to lose the shareholder vote to Stewy and Sandy and Sandi, and hopes to resolve it with... giving a speech? Thankfully for him, UTI saves him the embarrassment, while Shiv bails him out by making a deal (and again, he berates one of his kids for saving his ass, and claims he would've done better, but when asked what, gives no alternative solution).
He didn't win when he tried to buy Pierce. He decides to buy GoJo (which was Kendall's idea) - finally he's starting to realize the importance of tech - but Matsson turns it around and turns out to be more powerful and wants to buy Waystar instead.
And what does Logan do when faced with someone more powerful?
He folds. And agrees to sell the company, except for the crappy TV station.
He does 'win' over the kids because Tom betrays Shiv (because Tom always tries to suck up to the most powerful person and also his issues with Shiv - not anything smart Logan did). He again loses on trying to buy Pierce.
He manages to alienate pretty much everyone, and then he dies in a toilet while fishing for a phone (probably because he just heard his most loyal and forgiving child finally tell him off after he pushed him too far).
Was he a great businessman once when he was building his empire? Maybe, but most of the time we saw him in the show, he's fumbling the ball disastrously.
He doesn't have to be very good to always win. He just has to be better than his dumb kids. As long as everyone else playing is even worse, Logan always wins.
@@cbushin So, he can only win if his opponents are the children he abused and tried to prevent from ever growing up and that he can manipulate because they yearn for his validation? Wow. How impressive. Just the man to be in awe of.
Logan Roy is capitalism, because the end-goal of capitalism before 1967 was to reach the center of the universe, and so every sacrifice and monstrosity committed in its name was "for the greater good". Most of Rupert Murdoch's life was post-1967, but that era, *our* era, is one devoid of any meaning, and so the meaning we are left with is nostalgia for the capitalist quest itself. What Succession tells us, accurately, is spoken by Roman Roy - "nothing really matters". Friedrich Nietzsche was completely wrong - God (the purpose of reaching the center of the universe, God's spiritual home) in fact (at least to us) does exist, which is why we remain unable to form meaning in our age. In light of the Manabe/Wetherald atmospheric model we no longer believe that escaping Earth prior to our extinction is a reasonable possibility.
Logan reminded me a bit of Vito Corleone. A man whose offspring were never the man he was. However unlike the Corleone offspring there was Michael who came close but was ultimately too vicious in the end. None of Logan' s children are even close to being the man he was.
You are wrong about Lachlan and Kendall. Kendall was based on James Murdoch. That has been confirmed by Jeremy Strong, and is also really obvious in particular with the hearing scene and the whole cruise scandal blood sacrifice plot. Plus interest in tech, in rap music..
An anti-hero Logan is no anti-hero
Anyone who thinks logan didnt love his kids didnt pay attention
Excellent video!
Powerful takeaway!
Calling Logan Roy an anti-hero is wild. Great video though!
He’s nothing but a monster
Ewan “empathetic and caring”? Lol WAT
Yeah he was idealistic but he was also grouchy as hell lol
1.40 Murdoch's horns are revealed ...
I hope HBO do a Disney corp style drama
I think it’s a combo of Rupert Murdoch and sumner Redstone
Idk….this one missed the mark for me. Very surface level and way too easy on Logan.
Shouldve mentioned how he embodies narcissitic traits very well
Are we just going over the fact that Rupert made his ex-wife in the divorce agreement not to give any info to the writers of Succession? INSANE! 🤣
We need a Murdoch in a world where we have Nytimes, Economist, Washington Post and MSNBC...
"We need bullshit in a world where we have news" bold