Succession - Why Roman Roy is a Sicko
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2024
- Another video on what I believe is the best current TV show, HBO's succession. In a show that is flush with incredible performances, one of the best is Kieran Culkin portraying the sick and devilishly funny Roman Roy. One of Succession's biggest enigmas is what makes Roman, Roman. In this video, I dive into the rabbit-hole of Roman's past and the depth with which the Succession writes craft this strange and interesting character.
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Succession: The Best of Roman Roy: • The Best of Roman Roy ...
What happens between Roman and Gerri in Season 3? The cast of Succession weighs in: • What Happens Between R...
Kieran Culkin interview: "Roman Roy is absolutely insanely resilient": • Kieran Culkin ('Succes...
Succession season 3 trailer: • Succession (2021) | Se...
Succession season 3 finale scene: • Video
Succession: THAT scene, "Well done, Roman": • Succession 3x08 - Well...
Chapters:
Intro - 0:00
What's Eating Roman Roy - 0:31
The Dog Pound - 2:44
Daddy Issues - 6:19
The Morgue is Closed - 8:53
Gerri - 10:39
Father Puppetmaster - 12:46 - Розваги
Would you like to see more Succession videos in the future?
Yes!
Yes
Same!!
how about one on any redeeming qualities of Roman?
Yes!!!
I honestly can't resist a Succession breakdown video of any kind
More of them on the way...possibly.
Same 🥰
@@RenegadeFilm86 But what are the optics on another breakdown?
Totally. “Best 10 pairs of socks in Succession” I’m instantly going to click.
@@joegideon8461 what if we have a woman do it?
Wait… a woman of colour!
Oh we don’t have anything of those? Oh ok.
Call Gerri.
I don't think Roman misremembered his emotional experiences during the Dog Pound Game, I think his brothers didn't realize the extent of Roman's trauma as children. If anything, it made his brothers look like unreliable narrators (in that instant), not him. But, ALL the main characters are unreliable narrators in this show...
Exactly. They all tell themselves their own version of the "truth" to cope with their childhood trauma. They are all unreliable narrators.
Nope. Roman was the baby brother exaggerating what happened. The fact they mentioned it was cake and not dog food. He was a young kid wanting attention in any form.
@@byrd1106 exactly! People always forget that it wasn't dog food, but chocolate cake, and that is an important part of the story, a way for us to know that it wasn't as vicious as Roman remembers it.
But I still understand that all of them are unreliable narrators, and they tend to see the world around them with their dad's pov, so...
I think it’s the classic “the tree remembers where the axe forgets”
@@flaviacristina2774 the problem is that while kendall doesn't remember the food at all, connor is the one who says "it was chocolate cake, i think." in this same interaction, he tells roman that he was sent away to military school because he asked to go. he later tells kendall that roman was actually sent away because his dad was punishing him. so while kendall and roman may be misremembering parts of the story, it's made clear that connor DOES remember correctly, but is lying about at least some of it, making him an equally if not more unreliable narrator. we don't know if it was chocolate cake because we can't trust connor's version either.
This analysis takes too much at face value regarding 1x08. I don't think Roman is necessarily an unreliable narrator here. A feature of childhood abuse is that it's completely normalised by those around you, and you only start to realise it was abusive when you get older. Roman may not even have conceptualised the game as abusive until adulthood. In fact, I fully believe that's what happened. Now, do I think his siblings intended to abuse him? No. But they were clearly unsupervised by anyone who could say 'Don't do that to your little brother', or the adults around them didn't say anything because they too thought Roman was enjoying himself (because they were shitty adults). What Conor said about Logan shows to me that Logan saw Roman being bullied and abused, and instead of protecting him, saw his son's difficulty in standing up for himself as weakness not fear, and sent him away to toughen up.
I agree. I think Logan may have told the rest of them that Roman wanted to be sent away, and they never questioned it
Bingo
Yep, exactly what I was thinking. It’s very weird going through stuff as a child and trying to reconcile your memories and find out if they’re true, especially when siblings have different memories of the same abusive experience. Logan probably lied to Roman’s siblings and told them a different story about why Roman got sent to military school. Connor is the unreliable narrator here, not Roman.
Roman's posture in the office chair when he realizes his father got the text....LOLZ
agreed! hilarious and brilliant cringe
His posture in general cracks me up. Either slouching in chair or standing with his hands backward holding his low back. Especially since Kieran is a trained ballet dancer IRL.
actually a detail that might be another thing (also was mentioned by kieran culkin) is that roman doesn't really eat. there are some scenes where he does but a lot of the time he has a full plate when others don't or he's having a smoothie or something instead of a meal. which also maps on pretty well into the shame and everything. it's a detail that you really only start seeing once you clue into it and that's kind of great because it's not like anyone in the show is paying attention to it
Fascinating! I never noticed this, thanks for pointing it out! It really speaks to the extreme attention to detail on the show!
yeah kieran culkin has said he plays roman as having an eating disorder
once i rewatched the entire show (s1-s3 so far), and after hearing that Roman has some type of aversion to food, it’s all I could notice. Every time, when others are eating and putting food on their plate from a full buffet of choices or when they’re at business meals, roman only picks at the food (takes a bite of a bread roll, nibbles on a cracker, etc.) that’s all he does and I think it’s such a good and interesting point. You only ever see him drink booze and take nibbles. So fascinating.
He eats an apple aggressively
This video mistakenly claims Roman is the youngest of the siblings, but Shiv is actually the youngest. This is part of the problem people are having when trying to analyze his character. People are thinking "spoiled youngest child" when you should be thinking "ignored middle child".
It's weird, tho -- he just FEELS like the youngest for some reason. Trying to adjust and think of him as the middle child after watching 1 or 2 seasons is close to impossible
He is the youngest
Roman actually is the youngest
@@seenasoltani1808 Roman is the middle child, Shiv is the youngest.
Seems weird I know but look it up
Sorry, but regardless of what the HBO website says, Roman will always be the youngest in my mind, with Shiv in the middle. Their characterizations just match up so much better that way. Shiv needing to fight for attention from her dad is classic middle child syndrome, while youngest children are more often used as tools for abusive parents since their lack of age/experience is easier to take advantage of.
Something that got my attention was that Logan was totally disgusted about Roman being attracted to Gerri but he is banging his assistant. Yes, I guess no one would think that the assistant is actually attracted to Logan, but it is fun how that doble standard works.
similar scenarios yet they’re still quite different, biology and eons of evolution have established this
@@jakeesco4573 not sure what you mean by this. I mean from an evolutionary standard, women climax more as they age whereas men have erectile dysfunction and climax much less as they age.
Therefore, evolution would set up Roman and Gerri more than Logan banging his assistant.
@@kaiasdogmom yes, this.....i am 47 and can attest to this.
@@jakeesco4573 Biology? Your comment makes sense if we're talking about fertility but from a sexual standpoint, Gerri and Roman make way more sense than Logan and the young assistant.
@@jakeesco4573biologically Logan would be dead 40 years ago. This is not established anywhere.
At this point, I don't care who gets the company or if it's sold or if it crumbles. I just want the siblings to (metaphorically) kill their father. He's such a monster and hurts them and everyone else around him so much. I just want them to win and defeat the monster without turning into monsters themselves.
Shiv spends the series mentally abusing her own husband Tom. Roman didn’t even care about the dead people on the comet and he was kind of insensible when Kendall confessed to killing the waiter. Kendall is an absent father who treats those who work for him badly and betrays the family constantly. I don’t think they are much better than Logan to be fair
@@marvincruz6721 I agree.... After finishing season 3, I have to the conclusion that they are (besides maybe Con because he stays out of it) all terrible people. I think being born into billions and having so much influence and power, it is almost impossible to not be a terrible person. Even if you don't break any laws and don't hurt people..... you will still ultimately see regular people as less than you and only value people of means and power.
@@Lhansmeyer33 con is absolutely a terrible person, remember that scene in the kitchen where he’s shouting at cooks lol
Well, in the series finale, they almost figuratively killed him (his business) when he went and dropped dead (literally).
I think a very dramatic end to Succession would each of the kids helping physically kill their and bury their father. Very ‘Long live the king/The king is dead’ type stuff
Yes, loved this breakdown.
CW CSA ~ Another thing I often think about regarding Roman's sex life / inability to perform "normally," is possible an issue that turns toward sexual abuse? He makes a lot of 'jokes' surrounding that kind of stuff, like being molested and abused as a kid, and the one thing that was kind of unnerving about it ... was in S2:E5 ... he delivered the joke about being in Gerri's bathroom with the same intonation and body language as he does all of those other jokes, but as the audience - we know the bit about Gerri is truth, so it makes you wonder the depth of his other 'jokes' and if there is any truth to them as well.
Thanks for point this out! Often times truth is disguised within a joke. Hopefully it’s something we’ll get some clarity on in future seasons👍
This is absolutely it.. im so surprised there aren't more people talking about it actually. His behaviors and comments and inability to have normal interactions with partners are all signs of the abuse and he makes comments in jest that are actually based in fact but ppl don't take him seriously because of how unfiltered he tends to be. He mentioned a camp counselor molesting him when he was 12 but it was so glossed over and never mentioned again. I believe this was one of those moments, like when he made the comment about masturbating in Gerri's bathroom, that no one took seriously but was in fact true.
Oh, totally! Tw CSA
I'm not an expert in this area, but I've heard that a red flag to identify possible CSA is stuff like Roman is doing - the child saying shocking / inappropriate things, being overly forward with others, seeming to have no boundaries regarding consent etc. This totally checks out.
I've also heard that early experiences of sexuality can rewire the associations in the brain, so whatever non-sexual thing happening at the time may become associated with sex. Maybe the dog cage has more to do with it...
wetting the bed is also a common sign that a child has been sexually abused!
100%. Child s*xual abuse is rampant amongst the powerful elite and I feel McKay is definitely aware of this. These people practice ritual abuse in order to fracture the psyche of their own children in order to mind control them, destroy their ability to empathize and to make them psychopathic. This is a big part in how they maintain their hegemony. There are a ton of books that describe in great detail just how pervasive child abuse is amongst the planets wealthiest families.
I adore Roman's character. (almost like I love to hate him, then once in a while he shows a soft side). Kieran Culkin's acting chops are absolutely brilliant & he def. deserves an Emmy or Golden Globe. The whole cast is amazing, but Kieran stands out for me.
He plays THE perfect douche bag. That is all credit to the actor's skill
I agree.... Sometimes it is just a little too much, where as I am thinking "no one doing a multi billion dollar deal would ever negotiatie with someone who talks/acts this way" But what do I know? I have never sniffed those circles lol. Just seems so odd to me. I feel it would be a little more believable if he was a little less douchey during important meetings/negotiations
@@Lhansmeyer33 I betcha' "don jr" would act out a few Roman moves.🙄
Ya... I don't know that high life either, but I saw a doc. on rich kids (made by the son of Johnson & Johnson) and a few of them were *_Really_* douchey! But if you grow up in that world and are spoiled from day one, I can see how easy it would be to create people like that.
@@Luna.3.3.3 yeah, I could tell way back when I watched the apprentice show that Donny kids were all your stereotypical rich kids getting through life on nepotism. It's funny that they all chose to work for daddy. I mean....damn, take a loan and some contacts and go start your own shit!
In any case.... trump's kids are not even close to as wealthy and spoiled as the Roy's. That's one thing I like about this show, it's not an average story about another rich family.... it's a show about a family who is one of the most wealthy and powerful people in the country. I think one of the few family inspirations is the Murdoch's who are so much more wealthy (and probably powerful) than the Trumps. It's fun to see a fictional lifestyle of people at that level. Definitely looks fun but proves that s lit of BS comes with that life too. And also seems like it would be pretty hard to have any normal and real relationships....even with your family/parents.
Luna, I 100% agree! All of the Roy kids are deeply wounded and I sympathize/identify with their characters. Roman is a douche, but he comes by it honestly, never having had clear examples of acceptable behavior or an ounce of love that wasn't in some way transactional. The thing that tears my heart out is even though they're all competing for Logan's love/attention, he TRULY has no desire to hurt or confront him in any way. He'll suffer almost any abuse for even a fleeting moment of genuine affection 😭
Ep 1 when he wrote that kid a check for 1M dollars then ripped it up... I hated him immediately for that. But I do LOVE Kieran. He is nailing this character.
Yeah that pretty much solidified how despicable that character is. But agreed, Kieran's acting is awesome!
agreed!!!!
Agree, I never forgave him for that and still do not like the character despite the weaknesses and vulnerabilities shown about him.
I loved that scene. It was so uncomfortable! Showed that Logan understood it, but didn't do anything to stop it... Then had the family sign an NDA and gave away his watch. It set up the series well, in that Logan looks at his children as spoiled impulsive brats who at the same time will cover for them to not make them look bad. I would assume this type of thing has happened many times before lol
@@Lhansmeyer33 He just didnt want himself to look bad through the hideous kids he raised. I would have told him I'd sign the NDA for 1M dollars. Not the damn watch.
I'm surprised you didn't jump on the obvious implication of Roman having been sexually abused as a child, but I get not feeling qualified to discuss that specifically.
Yeah, there is some vibe for that.
It was also pretty obvious that Kendall was protective of Roman from Logan's abuse when Kendall went after Logan for striking Roman
Where in the show was that hinted at?
@@janszlazak9495 It's something he's made joking references to multiple times, and we know at this point that he'll sometimes say outlandish stuff and be totally telling the truth and no one will realize it because they assume that's just him being typical Roman. Plus it makes sense with how he's obsessed with sex but when it comes to actually performing he can't do it.
Damn...
Kieran Culkin on the dog cage recollection.
Culkin- People rewrite their own history. I have six siblings, and we all remember certain things differently. ...
The dog-cage moment, Roman had rewritten it as he had been bullied by Kendall. I don’t think he ever was, but I think there was something in him as a kid that felt like a victim that as an adult he has tried to process and make into something else. Talking to Jeremy at that time, I had privately had this idea that when we were kids, he wasn’t a bully, and I was the younger sibling bullying him, in the way that a younger sibling is always getting the older one in trouble. He privately had thought the same thing. So when we got to the dog-cage thing, it was fun to explore that. That is Roman rewriting it. Kendall didn’t really bully him.
While I won't discount the possibility of Roman having experienced sexual abuse, I'm glad this analysis did not go down that route. Roman's issues surrounding intimacy of any sort can be explained by Logan's verbal and physical abuse alone. For me it tracks that dominance/degradation and pleasure are entertwined for a person who has always sought validation from a man like Logan. A man who encouraged the kids to play at a survival of the fittest game.
This, coupled with Roman's inability to connect with people, makes it understandable why the character would shy away from touch. The "sex stuff" is clearly not a kink, but yet another manifestation of Roman's abuse.
I'm curious how Caroline fits into Roman's past. We know from the S3 talk with Shiv that Caroline was largely absent from the kid's upbringing. Does Roman have an idolized view of his mother because of the distance? I'd be interested to know, but I love that the show does not provide easy and obvious answers.
I think that is a real possibility.. but I think the analysis is only going to use the things we know for sure happened to him as a child rather than speculation. I won't be surprised if in later seasons they reveal some past sa he encountered.
Another thing to mention about Roman is his hasty and nonchalant marriage proposals. It might be his inner child crying "don't leave me", or it could be his business brain trying to lock an ally down with a contract and a ring.
At this point, a video can be made of an extra from an episode of Succession, and I’d still watch it with 100% commitment lol. Tremendous show
I've always wanted an episode going more into PGM. You know, instead of pans of the city and helicopters, it's the rocky cliffs of New England and giant yachts. Nan Pierce is such a good villain too.
@@sachakiesman2831 You're 100% right although I dunno if villain is the right word. But the Pierce family in their entirety is such a good counter-character to the Roy Family. And yeah, I agree on Nan too.
One of my fav season 3 scenes was Roman and Menken flirting in the bathroom
can't believe hot scenes with gerri are over :/
🤮
Sad but it had to end after the sexual harassment, he went too far. I still do hope they have scenes together but they will never go back to the way they were.
Kieran Culkin would make a great Joker. He the right amount of weird and sadistic as Roman.
Please give "Succession" all the awards. Best show since "The Sopranos." The acting. The writing. The directing. #chef's kiss
You forgot to mention that throughout all 3 seasons Logan tries multiple times to get his son to admit he's gay and when he's finally sure (Roman fails to compliment Logan's new assistant) he decides to sell the company instead of giving it to his son while telling him to 'straighten up'. Roman got the fake girlfriend solely because he was afraid of this scenario. It's literally the cherry on top of the whole show so far since Logan himself wasn't sure the whole time what he wants to do with his legacy, but Roman was consistently the best candidate to inherit the firm since he's the one who resembles his father the most. In the end Roman is the one who became the biggest loser out of 4.
Wow. Right!
Roman isn’t gay. He is kind of asexual. He only gets off when the “mommy” figure berates him.
Roman is a complete buffoon and would sink that company in a month lol.
@@tammybenaytv4631 yeah…I have a friend who fits that description. VERY close to his mother; zero interest in dating/sex.
@@tammybenaytv4631 I also agrrr with asexual. I have only met one asexual person in my life and he was indeed obsessed with “mother,” and lived with her until he was 36
Roman creeps me out but he is so entertaining and well written.
Succession is a perfect example of a cast of characters I enjoy watching and existing as fictional but would absolutely want all dead if they were real people. As real people, they are pure evil and I would want nothing to do with them. But as fictional characters I easily binge watch multiple episodes, happily spending many hours with them.
One of the few shows that has made me never want to be part of a mega wealthy family. So many little lessons! None of them trust, love or respect each other. They are all terrible partners and parents. Everything is about business/work. I catch myself asking "Dude... you guys are on a 200 million dollar yacht and your sneaking around discussing who your going to stab in the back and send to jail?" or " Why do these spoiled kids want the damned CEO title so much? Shit... I would take a job as a janitor to to stay busy and have fun investing some of my millions on startups on the side and just be happy!"
Once in awhile a acting role comes along that's perfect for a particular actor. Almost like it was written for them. Sometimes they actually were. Think Mary Tyler Moore and the Mary Tyler Moore show. The fit is so perfect it's hard to imagine someone else playing the character. I believe this is what happened to Kieran Culkin when he was given the role of Roman Roy. Jeremy Strong, the actor playing Kendall Roy gets a lot of the attention, but I think Culkin is brilliant. The downside for getting such an amazing role is that it will be hard for some people to accept you in any other role.
Roman is just grown up Igby & I'm here for it
you hit the nail right on the head with the S tier ranking. it truly is shakespearean
How though, I get it’s a fight for the throne and the classical music and family drama definitely helps but I don’t understand the Shakespearean compliments
Great video!! Roman is my favourite character on the show, I love how you explored his trauma and traits. He is for sure an interesting guy who is misunderstood by many and played incredibly well by Culkin.
I can’t get enough of Roman. Every line he says is hilarious
same, and he's the cutest little dude ever, well Kieran is, but I loved Roman before I checked Kieran out. So tiny, and the only thing he ever did that I didn't like was him being mean to the kid in ep one, that made me feel really bad for the kid.
A great break down in just 15 min! Made some character connections from s1 I had forgotten about - thanks for doing this one and would love to see more.
Thank you for watching! I have two more Succession videos on this channel that you may like! 👍🖤
Very good breakdown. Drawing a line through all of these Roman details is impressive.
IDK if Roman the MOST baffoonish Ken be WILDIN pretty regularly and sure he takes himself seriously but no one else does....A lot of times Roman seems like the most realistic one
Seriously. The rap Ken did for Logan is what more clownish than anything Roman's ever done.
Nice breakdown bro thanks for bringing it all together for us.
I get glee from the fact that Logan is mortal just like every person he thinks he is so much better than. No matter how much of a demi god, a genius among incompetents he believed himself to be, no matter how many times he turns against his own children to affirm his own perceived greatness, he will end up in the dirt. And there’s not a goddamn thing he can do about it. His emotional unraveling and anger is likely at least in part a manifestation of that lack of control, something irreconcilable for a narcissist like himself.
What if the elder brothers mis remembered? They are all unreliable narrators. It’s a family full of trauma and dishonesty. No one is whole.
They gaslighting him
loving these break down videos
What about Roman’s inappropriate comments to Shiv? Like the “sexy secretary” or the “you wish” comment?
Incest jokes are common in the Roy family, it's not just Roman.
I prefer to refer to Roman as a "edgelord"
So well put!
You have the best video breakdowns
Love ❤️ a good breakdown and Analysis 🧐 regarding Succession.
However, I noticed that you didn’t mention anything about the possibility of his sexual abuse. He jokes about this way too much for it to be ignored. And, his siblings make constant reference to some possible Mommy issues as well. Since this is basically taking a plot from King 👑 Lear you cannot avoid the Shakespearean reference of “truer things are often said in jest”. Especially, since Roman does use humor as a deflection from his insecurities and feelings. I think they all are scarred from the divorce as well when their Father supposedly took them from their mother in the UK and relocated to New York City. You can see that from the dialogue between Shiv and her mother at her Mother’s wedding that she views that as a sense of abandonment and I’m sure the other siblings view that as abandonment as well. I think Roman’s terrified of failure and intimacy therefore this affects his ability to perform unless the person is “dead” and unable to judge 👩🏽⚖️ or critique him. Yet, he still hungers and craves the warm fuzzies 🥰 from Gerri since he probably NEVER received that from his own Mother.
Roman is not a sicko. He has mommy issues, he is too rich and has no sense of consequences. I'm a web cam model. And trust me....the sickos are not the Romans of the world. If you think this is bad...lol. You have no idea what the dark side of men really is. Roman is actually pretty average on tbe spectrum of freaky. And why is being with an older woman sick? Why is masturbating sick? If anyone is sexually impaired, it's Shiv.
I was listening to a web cam model on Clubhouse say the same....the average woman couldn't begin to fathom the darkness of what some men really desire.
Agreed on the Roman stuff but why do you think Shiv's sexually impaired?
Why shiv? Is it because she wanted an open relationship? It's fine to have an open relationship when everyone's agreed and is fully aware of what it entails.
You're a web cam model and you're judging shiv? Lol
You had me until Shiv, she enjoys sex there's no impairment there, in fact all siblings seem to have normal sex except Roman that doesn't have sex at all, he's sexually impaired but can still go to dangerous lengths ie: sexually harassing Gerri.
I thought the dog pound idea was cool when I first heard them talk about it. But then they just drop it. But then say “we’ve all killed a kid, right?”
Great! Excellent. Very insightful. I fully agree
Didn't they force him to play like a dog and lock him in a cage as a child? I seem to remember that from S1. I feel like this could be a major traumatic event, amongst several others, that contribute to his semi serial killer vibe.
According to Connor he asked to be put in there. It’s unclear to what extent it was a voluntary act.
All the sibs have moments of self-awareness. Roman's always stand out because of how little he hides his awfulness. It makes him truly sympathetic when he recalls his victimhood (although I will never forgive that million dollar check stunt, it remember it whenever I start to feel sorry for him).
The unreliable narrators are Connor and Kendall. They were gaslighting him about his enjoyment of being put in a cage, something common for co-conspirators of abuse. They may have been doing it unconsciously because they convinced themselves that they did not hurt him, also something common for co-conspirators, especially family members. It seems strange that you decided that because Connor and Kendall agreed to their story that means that Roman enjoyed being treated like an unwanted dog and was misremembering events. He doesn't remember it being fun, and who would? I think it's easier to see the shame he carries coming in part from that abuse. Kendall was his brother who he loved and thought that the dog cage came was showing love even while it made him feel powerless and afraid. Even Conner who more easily showed love to the sibs didn't help him. Probably because he allowed Kendall (and maybe Shiv and Logan) convince him that it was something other than abuse. A key to Kendall's real understanding of the game was slamming Roman against the wall after discussing it. To me that was him remberring how powerful the game made him feel, and how he was able to use it to get rid of Roman. Your conclusion that Roman was riddled with self-loathing makes sense. But you don't source it correctly. The way you put it he was born with it and the game was evidence of that. But trauma doesn't work that way. He was a victim of a competition he didn't know he was in.
Absolutely love these videos! Keep ´em coming!
Thank you, enjoyed this.
Do you guys know that they put the Roman Genri scenes because there was attraction between the actors on set??? That what both actors been saing sience beggining.
Yeah that's what happened, Kieran and J. had this odd flirtatious friendship on set (they've known each other for years before the show through her husband, can't remember his name now but he directed Manchester by The Sea) and the writers noticed it and wanted it into the show and so they wrote it into the show in season 2. If you see J. and Kieran in real life they are literally Roman and Gerri but more touchy feely, Roman and Gerri never actually touch each other.
I’ve yet to see an analysis on Roman that addresses his desperate cry to make sense of everything.
There were multiple times throughout season 1 and 2 (I don’t think so much in season 3) where he made passing (and some direct) comments about wanting to talk. Some towards Logan himself.
He’s been the only one in that family who has advocated for a genuine sense of therapy. I can only imagine Roman was secretly hopeful about the forced therapy session they underwent in season two but who knows.
This guy wants his family and to love which is wild considering I’m talking about Roman Romulus Roy of all people 😅 but it’s like what people say about comedians. Most of them are only so funny because they’re hurting so badly inside. I think he, unlike shiv and Kendall, wants to be free from the hurt (and no I wouldn’t include Kendall because his reflection scene in the S03 finale stemmed from the fatal mistake he made in S01. Had the waiter never died, he’d be on his same rampage as per usual). Roman has been on the same submissive yet hopeful track since the very first episode.
Roman needs a looooooong tight hug. One that lasts till he just starts to cry uncontrollably
I think he'd hate that, like being pitied for and treated like a baby that needs affection which he does but that ship sailed, he's very dysfunctional. On occasion he does show physical affection but brief.
@@ororomunroe4055 do you think he'd like being tied up? just a thought I just got lol
Logan makes me scared to ever have kids. I grew up with narcissistic parents, I be had relationships with narcissists. I don’t want to marry and have kids with a narcissist.
Just subbed, good to be here man. Gonna binge your whole channel pretty much lmao
Glad you have you, man! Enjoy! 🖤
I wonder how much the brilliance of the writing, and also the realistic nature of the characters psychology, is due to the writers allowing the actors to improv a lot, and perhaps even working with the actors to draw things out of their actual psyche. A director who is famous for this approach, this method where the movie began with a concept only, and the actual script was never truly written, but rather developed as he would sit with the actors and build the characters upon things that actually existed within the actors psyche ( almost like writing via therapeutic discussions,) is *Mike Leigh*. I highly recommend his _Naked, Meantime,_ and _Secrets and Lies,_ but other Mike Leigh fans will suggest other Mike Leigh films ( as a former angry violent young man, and also someone from an interracial family, the three examples I just gave appeal most to me most, personally.) Leigh's work is fascinating for anybody who enjoys psychologically realistic characters. In fact I bet you a dime to a dollar that Jesse Armstrong is a fan of Mike Leigh.
Great video.
One small detail - Hibs and Hearts are not from Logan's home town. They are both rivals based in Edinburgh. Logan is from Dundee. Hibs were the best team when Logan was a 10 year old, and they were an Irish Catholic club - which is consistent with Logan's background. And Hearts are their cross town rivals... So he did buy the wrong team, but neither are from his Dundee.
So Hibs is like Celtic and Hearts like Rangers?
@@Argantonis Late reply but kind of; they’re like the miniature, Edinburgh based versions of Celtic and Rangers, if you want to be simplistic about it. Any Hearts or Hibs fans would hate to hear the clubs being spoken about like that, but it’s accurate enough lmfao
I disagree that Roman was an unreliable narrator. He did not misremember, it is his brothers who misremember and who underestimated the impact of what they thought was just a game.
Shiv is the youngest, not Ro
So interesting! Although I'm curious about how the scene where he closes the blinds of his new executive office and relieves himself fits in - marking territory like Logan does in Kendall's office?
The other interesting behaviour is his pattern of sheepishly asking women to marry him before they have any kind of real intimacy. Is it his way of humiliating himself and them at the same time?
And now I'm remembering that he started dating Tabitha right after she hooks up with Tom at the bachelor party and she makes him swallow his own... pride. Roman definitely goes for women who have the power to lorde over and humiliate men.
For the second one, I don’t think he thinks real intimacy and connection is needed in marriage, maybe from Logan’s examples
I don’t think Logan was marking his territory, he was sick and not okay mentally at the time
I think in the current season, if you pay attention to the details, Roman seems to be the most decent one of the siblings by a slim margin. Like the way he treated Logan's girlfriend.
Edit: this comment aged quite poorly...
"Roman is BOOTLEG version of Logan Roy" - WAYSTAR CEO interim
he's MY sicko!!!!
Connor Roy was interested in politics from a very young age.
i hope they show scenes of the past to properly address all these hidden traumas. scenes of the dog pound game would be crazy. so would scenes of rose and logan/ewan.
Romulus Has Intimacy Issues!
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Roman is older than Shiv
I first hated Roman’s character, but as the series progressed I understood he has a deeply disturbed but good side trying to make sense of himself.
The Dog Pound game was always horrible for everyone, but in childhood the kids were so much under their dad’s thrall that they were somehow convinced it was a positive thing. Similar to how a child might think the attention from their molesting father is “love” until they know better in adulthood.
I think this Dog pound game memory will resurface in the series down the road.
Honestly I totally hear you on all of these points, but I have one more theory to raise you:
You keep showing flashes of the Kendall breakdown scene. I am so so surprised you didn’t address Roman’s monologue in it, the “who hasn’t killed a kid?” Rhetoric he spewed. He even went so far as to discuss “hitting a kid with his Porsche.” After that scene, i sort of got the impression the brothers may not be so different after all. What if, some time during military school or otherwise, Roman had an incident of that magnitude? And he returns home with all this built up guilt, and faces his father covering it up for him (he “loves” him), and it was when Roman was young enough to stifle him for the rest of his life AND leave him completely impotent and otherwise. In ADDITION to all of the points you’ve mentioned. And I think Roman would not be so quick to reveal that information to his siblings, but it did explain why he was so quick to defend Kendall’s actions-cause he’s already done those mental gymnastics for himself. We already know from the show that the brothers have both participated in similar evil-look at the homeless man incident-so I think it’s not out of the realm that the Roy Family curse keeps coming back, and hitting them at different points in different ways. I mean, what’s more of a curse-killing a kid in your youth and living with that forever, or killing a kid as an adult and having to keep that to yourself while you face your family every single day with the guilt? And didn’t they seem a little TOO ready to cover the incident with Kendall? Almost as though they had done that before?
Either way, I think the events surrounding Roman will come more to light as he continues to rise from the Ashes of his fathers shadow, where Roman has equated “love” = humiliation and verbal berating. Remember the episode where his father hit him? That really made me think there was more here.
what do you think is the explanation for his sexual obsession with shiv? their dynamic became really odd in s3
Yeah he made a lot of comments about her sexually that were really glossed over
I honestly think that was him just being disgusting on purpose and trying to bother her as an especially shitty and annoying sibling would do.
@@witchplease9695 That's right, especially since Shiv herself often "comments" on Roman's sexuality and his problems with his mother, both of them insult and tease each other on this subject.
Obsession? he was trying to bother her in his own messed up way, he's done it to all his siblings.
conner included too
i am in love with kieran! and roman:)
same, wanna talk about it?
Great angle 📐
Recently discovered succession and I've never been into the show than when Mad Men was aired.
This guy would make the best spiderman.
Romans not the youngest, actually -- Shiv is
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You should also make a video about Shiv
I haven't watched this yet, but Roman is not a sicko. Okay now I'll watch it.
Came here because I'm doing an essay on Roman for my psychology class.👌🏾
He is a very good actor, enjoyed him in Fargo!
he was so cute in Fargo!!
I wonder why no one ever talks about Connor in his tv family or in real life🤷🏾♀️
Conner Roy was interested in politics from a young age.
... or simply being able to say "yes, sir, can i have another, sir" as a part of curriculum...
Roman reminds me of RDJ
Roman is the youngest son, not the youngest sibling. Shiv is the youngest.
only lucy ricardo had a more expressive face than roman. it's obvious kieran is so comfortable in front of the camera.
Pretty good
game of thrones does not belong in s tier shows after 4 bad seasons.
But first 4 seasons are better than S tier tbf
@@leeeeg_ the overall product cannot be considered S-tier though
@@leeeeg_ talk to em
I'm surprised you didn't mention the bedroom scenrcwith Tabitha. Where Roman asked her if she could play dead(or passed out?). That's some kind of fucked up fetish
he literally did mention it
but better to do that than to do the actual real life thing though.
I'd say the older kids are more likely to misremember it. But I'm the youngest so ... maybe I'm bias.
So if roman really the youngest? I always thought he was but when i looked it up a month ago everything said Shiv was, so now I'm not sure anymore.
Order goes Conor then Kendall who is 6 years older than Roman who is older than Shiv.
YES... HA HA HA... YES!
Gonna have to give the best show to Better Call Saul rn
Shiv is the youngest sibling
Re-uploading without the background music would make this video (a lot more) listenable. Sorry to be negative, personally I couldn't get even a quarter of the way through it
Thank you, I appreciate the constructive criticism! Was the issue more with the music choice or volume?
@@RenegadeFilm86 For whatever it’s worth, I absolutely loved the video as is! The music and audio were perfectly spot on, as was the content!! I would love to see more Succession breakdown videos from you! New subscriber here! 😊💕🙏🏻
@@RenegadeFilm86 Choice. Given the TV series has such a deeply rich soundtrack, it didn't make any sense
Poor Roman
Just wanted to point out that Roman isn't the youngest, Shiv is.
Thank you for the correction!
She is? I’m so confused! He seems like the youngest to me because he’s such a brat.
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it was chocolate cake!
I don't watch this show nor am I interested in watching it (I prefer sci-fi series like The Expanse) but I love watching these videos out of context. It's very entertaining lol.
Excuse me, both dog pound narratives might be true. Roman might be remembering it as how he felt it, but they might remember it as how roman portrayed it to them at the time. Sometimes people who get picked on will pretend that everything is fine, when it's not, so Roman's feelings about the whole thing could be stemming from him remembering it out from how he actually felt inside, and not remembering playing it off to his brothers, But then his brothers remember it as him enjoying it since that's maybe what he showed them to not seem weak.
I actually completely disagree as to why roman went to boot camp; he wanted to constantly be demeaned and bossed around. Added heinsight with that weird scene recently in season four where he listens to the edited clip of logan insulting him over and over
He didn't "misremember his emotions." "You enjoyed it," "you wanted it" is something abusers frequently say to their victims. The fact that his emotions are dismissed and he's being gaslit into thinking he liked it are part of why he's so wounded. I'm afraid you really made this video from a standpoint of profound ignorance about abuse.
my take is that he could have pretended to enjoy it to appease his brothers but since it was so long ago he only remember how it made him feel on the inside, whilst the others remember what they saw in his face (which was all pretend to appease).
6:55 Roman is actually the second youngest, Shiv is the youngest
Im pretty sure Roman is the youngest. Where did you get that info from? When do they mention shiv being the youngest?
@@seenasoltani1808 shiv IS the youngest
Roman and Greg are Succession's best characters.