As a track day car I am sure the Clio is outstanding, but I drive to work on public roads and the corsa vxr I drive is just as much fun as the Clio day to day, and in the real world, it's not always about blasting around with your hair on fire, but usability and the quality and additional torque make the corsa the overall better car.
i bought the lotus from a bloke i was doing a job for, he never drove it, took me ages to persuade him to sell it. i love it, nobody knows what it is, and they dnt have a clue about it! lol. u wont regret gettin the vxr m8. i got mine when i was 19. its a great car m8.
just bought clio 200 cup after owning type R. and a ST. and i,ve got to say that this thing is mental. yes it,s not as practical. but it,s the most fun i,ve ever had in a car. you can make it do whatever you want. i did drive the VXR and it,s really good but like most turbo,s it lacks driver involvment. with the CUP it really is less is more.
@NigoNI60 7500rpm is the MAX that the 197 can rev to. Peak torque is around 5,000 rpm which you will get to VERY often when driving the 197. It revs up far more quickly than the VXR due close gearing. The 197 lacks torque at low revs, not in the mid-range....have you ever driven one? I suspect not. I've driven both and for me the 197 is far and away the better car.
Hmm I have to disagree. ( Just for historical accuracy) my Clio 197 Cup revved to 8000rpm no problem, easily bouncing off rev limiter in all gears, so am not sure what you had. To get the best out of it you have to thrash it which becomes a bit tedious and overly noisy in the cabin after a while, though its handling was sublime. I prefer the low end torque of the Corsa VXR, torque which is completely absent in the Renault, hence constantly having to tiresomely stir the gearbox, and also I prefer the VXR's lighter footprint on the backroads. The Clio 197 Cup was seriously cheap in its build quality and mine very unreliable. Fuel consumption was appalling due to having to rev the nuts off it to get it to fly - 18mpg at full tilt. Fed up with constantly repairing it I got rid of the 197 Cup and will never go back to Renault. Currently I have a Corsa VXR and I prefer having equal performance but using half the effort.
I have a Clio Sport 182 cup, its drives like a dream, i think what many people are forgetting is the clio comes in a few models, Full Fat, Cup and R27. I guarantee a R27 would rip the Corsa VXR to bits! Having said that the corsa is still a head turner!
i would say the clio would be more reliable due to the naturally aspirated engine, i would be worried about the turbo going on the corsa which is expensive to fix. i think the interior of the corsa is much nicer, but in the end it depends whether you want a car for the way it drives or comfort. its not like the clio interior is shit anyway. i think i would go for the clio actually, due to better handling. in the end handling is the most important especially in britain.
im only 20 aswell. i bought 1 last week. loving every minute of it.scares the crap out of a lot more expensive cars.they r great value for the money, the insurance isnt bad either.£1000 fully comp with 3 years no claims! only thing is the fuel consumption goes down to 7.3mpg when gunning it. well worth it though!
i think the corsa would be a better day to day car. has more usable low down power where you want it around town....not revving the guts off it to get the full potential. also think the corsa has better fuel economy according to official figures tho. i may be wrong tho
if u mod the vxr with lower suspension new bushs and front and rear strut bars then the handling will be second 2 non i have done this 2 my corsa b and it can keep up with an evo on track
I watched this video hundreds of times when I was looking at getting a vxr now I have one im glad i made the right choice its a brilliant car and handles really well really shocked me when i put my foot down init my heart was pumping first time i drove it great cars great looking really happy with it woudl recommend one to neone really well built and great to drive :) clios a kewl car too:)
No,Its the NEW model Dynamique s (looks pretty much like the 197) and its already got some sport skirts and front on it. but the front was dented in so i had to change back to my old bumper, i was thinking though because they're pretty much exactly the same shape....maybe do a 197 conversion. thanks for the advise by the way :)
Yea i look forward to seeing the selection of hot hatches in the hands of the Stig. I hope they compare the whole selection like the Clio, Corsa, Fiesta and the new Punto. Then we'll truely see the cars potential.
You can make the corsa vxr mental with some mods stiffen up suspension good quality tyres exhaust induction kit remap and forged engine mines at 275bhp its a little rocket ship round the track. Only probs is I’ve had to upgrade clutch now as it ruined standard one with the extra extra power. I’ve had 197 1st and was fun but nothing on my vxr
If it's anything like the old 172/182 then the whole front track is much wider than yours, so the 172/182's front wings are much wider to accomodate that. You probably could fit the kit, but you'd need to change your wheels for wider offset ones on the front by quite a bit to fill the gap left by the wider wings.
I don't think you can call it bland. Those flared wheel arches, 17" alloys, rear diffuser, twin exhausts, vents behind the front arches. The Corsa looks like a bad copy done by a Max Power reading 17 year old. He probaly could have done a better job with the handling than Vauxhall did though.
The thing is that the most drivers aren't capable of exploring clio's limits cause these limits exceed their ones. So that's the reason that with two average drivers driving these cars the one with the corsa will be in front of the one with the clio. That's also the reason why the clio is appreciated by the people that have more driving skills. Because clio's chassis is one of the best i've personally met and offcouse the best ever front wheel chassis
lol does this Corsa model has the problem with the bonnet as well or did they fix it? I must admit I see quite a few of the new corsa models with their bonnets getting opened by a light wind.
The Clio has been faster than the Astra VXR round every track in every magazine test I've ever read. Astra is quicker in a straight line, but it all goes wrong in the corners and under braking.
I had a 51 clio and it only started falling apart after I crashed it and had it put back together by a shite garage, the sunroof was utter pish though however they dont have a sunroof in the 197 so all should be peachy
A 2002 Clio sport 2.0 is best road sports car beats any corsa VXR OR even the up to date Clio 197, my mate who has one took my for a quick spin and its the most powerful supermini i been in, and fuel economy is quite good too. Renault is well known in F1 Racing too!
...clio has got a really brilliant handling...but it's top gear ratio is too high, so it can be very annoying on long motorway journey... even the revision in end 2008 of the gear ratios didn't t help much...personally I m looking for a second hand of one of these two, I admit that the Clio is a better car, but I need to ride the highway quiet frequently, so I'take the Cora's...
Ive got a Clio dynamique s 1.6 and its the same colour as this 197.....just wondering do you think its possible to get the body kit of the 197 installed onto mine??????? or is it a completely different fit??? cheers
@286Horses Thats a good road we used to go for a spin on that road in the evenings after college when we stayed in Llangadog. Did top gear film on this road once? Clio for me anyday!!
Crazy how the Clio 197 is now so much cheaper than the Corsa VXR. I've just uploaded a 12 month review of a Clio 197, if you want to know what they're like to live with have a peek at my channel ✌
dont let that pratt bother u lol were the hell did u find a lotus carlton! i dont think ive even ever sin one on the road lol and yeah the corsa is damn quick, im tradin my c2 vtr in on my 19th b-day to get one. cant wait!!!!
Yeah hard to argue against an EP3 Type R to be fair. I had two corsa's in my younger days and they were both terrible. Loads of common faults, steering rack, cv joints, engine mounts etc etc and on both cars.
Agreed. I own one, R27 version in black. It's so brilliant in handling I never lose my confidence in that car. And it's robust and tough too. 3 years in the running and it's still brilliant. This is my one and only car and my car seems to look medicore compared to my parents ad elder bor's car though. XD
clio has longer wheel base and much larger wheel tracks. It also has better suspension. Finally it is N/A and the front axle doesnt have to deal with turbo lag and shitloads of torque. Response is also more instant. If some of you still hope that corsa can outhandle clio or even be the same i hoper you changed your mind now. And yes offcourse corsa is faster in a straight line because it has a masterpiece engine, ireally appreciate it.
If you look closely the clio barely touches the dirt, if AT ALL where as the corsa is at least i tires width. Clio may well have been faster but times would have been closer still had corsa not hit dirt
The Astra would be in the same class as the Megane not the Clio...and would be out classed by the R26. The Clio and Corsa are definitely the same class of car regardless of what you might think. Both are aimed at the same sort of buyer and both have similar performance. The Twingo is TINY in comparison and is merely a warm hatch...ala Mitsubushi Colt/Suzuki Swift etc.
non taken, i earn everything i own. i bought the car myself. was planning 2 move out this year but interest rates r 2 high so i used some of my deposit 4 the car instead! im with admiral. i double checked they had my details right cos i thought it was low aswell. i also have a clean license. i h8 people who rely on mummy & daddy cos they r 2 lazy 2 work 4 the things they want.
I am currently deciding between a astra vxr or corsa vxr in white and black.....even though they are renound as chav cars! I think renault has such a bad reputation with cars i would steer well away from them personally. Vauxhall has a good repuaution i thought? Even though we both know the best hatchback for under 8k to get is the honda civic type r - ep3 or fn2! :D JAPANESE CARS ALL THE WAY!!!
i love scoobys but they're incredibly expensive to run, i've just bought a 197 and could have bought an subaru if i'd wanted but with the cost of tax, insurance, servicing and petrol these days it's just not any fun running a car like that anymore
i guess its as long as it is wide really, the vxr has bags of torque, makes for an easier life to live with it, i would imagine the corsa party piece is its get up and go from a rollling start may be on a twisty road what the corsa dont have in handling it can make up for in extra mid band grunt, and since the vxr is more economical, and dont rev at 4000rpm at 70mph, id take the corsa, but if i wanted a specific for track days then the Clio. No dis respect to you. just my preference thats all
@Gwizzlez have a look at the Clio in real life. Pictures and videos don't do it justice. It is actually squat and mean looking but classy at the same time.
Vauxhall brand is a British brand soul only in the UK, it's owned by General motors who make and sell the same car with the same engiene in europe as opel, and some other shit names in america and Australia
The Corsa is probably better built than the Clio.. its certainly a very very good looking car. However I think any modern performance car would be brilliant fun to drive if only I was lucky enough to be able to afford one!!! and Tiff Nidell is leg-end
to the clio looks boring looks the clio looks to perform, the multispoke alloys in graphic grey, the rear diffuser lets put it simply, the clio is how a racing driver would style it the corsa is how a 17year old looking at maxpower would style it and you shouldn have to buy a sports hatch and then upgrade the suspension and brakes the clio is not turbo charged...so if you wanna tune the vxr, lets tune the clio :)
whats the point in talking about top speed? what really matters is acceleration and handling and after all isnt it your personal preference when two cars are so similar?
French cars are pish a must agree.. these cars are similar in style and that but the corsa vxr wins hands down for me.. mainly due to the fact that the clio is made by Renault and they seam to have a bad reputation for breakdowns etc.. like my megane coupe!
@JOSHWF2 Not sure where you get the idea that most people race from lights lol? People who own these cars do not race from traffic lights. They are not go-kart, boy racer VTRs, they are proper hot hatches designed for the track. I certainly do not race on the roads...
Ive always liked the look of the vxr and knowing its hiding a turbo underneath dat shell, and the 16 valve helps out. I think people are forgetting that even tho the clio beat the corsa round the track in this clip by- wot was it? 1.2 seconds or so. The clio's a 2.o litre compared to the vxr 1.6, it didnt do bad. I know wot ide rather have (the corsa). save a bit more on petrol, wud turn more heads, much nicer interior. easier to mod(if u wanted to). Just looks meaner. Corsa vxr all the way babi
True about the build quality but I disagree they look like sh*t - I prefer the looks over the VXR. You also can't claim that Vauxhall is renowed for build quality either - they're just as bad as Renault. I don't own either of these cars, so speaking impartially, the main reason not to buy a VXR these days is because there's loads of chavs driving them...day to day ease of driving vs a weekend warrior / track car. Pick one to suit your needs.
@286Horses Oh dear, it looks like somebody hasn't seen the torque for 335d's. It is quite confusing why an owner of a 335d would also get the info from Evo when he should know those off by heart anyway. And if you did have a 335d, which you don't, what would you propose? Going up a mountain @2000rpm so you can utilise that pulling power to negate the heavy ass you pulling? Not only have no clue, you fail at Geogrpahy. Black Mountains is South Wales! More than 55 miles from anywhere near Britol!
You can spot the intelligent people in here amongst the hordes of idiots. How can you compare something as polished, nimble and as driver focused as humanly possible as a RS197 to a numb, wobbly, unresponsive Corsa. Even in VXR trim it has nothing on the Clio. The only real rivals are the Fiestas, Civics and other small French hot hatches. Look at Chris Harris's review. Why do you think anyone who knows anything about cara slate the VXR but love anything RenaultSport. No competition IMO.
oh so crashing and going off the track is a good driver humm i never knew that and these cars are easy to drive so mr rvrcoupe19 do you know how to drive and if you do what car do you drive
Someone has said it very well here - that there is a divide here between idiots and those who know about cars, the idiot is clearly the one that would choose a half hearted, muted and uninvolving uninspiringly disappointing piece of mush (VXR - it's on the same chassis as a standard 1.4!!) - then you have those who know about cars, who would rather have the most driver focused finely honed tool that is so sharp and so much fun (Clio - I don't have one but my brother does, and it gets close to a Honda S2000 for raw thrills) - It's a choice as to what you spend money on but why advertise that you would choose the bottom of the class as opposed to the top!
@roundtr1p the vauxhaul looks more or less exactly like every other vauxhaull in their range and are far more common on british roads. vauxhauls to me seem like very lazy design, sticking the additional sporty trim on the vxr models makes them stand out a bit more but doesnt sell them to me. most unique design they have come up with for a few years is the insignia, i agree with you completely the clio is the better looker
Bankjob Completely disagree with you there. Every model looks different. All Astra’s look different from the last one, Unlike something like the Golf where every new one that comes out looks like the last one. Vauxhall designers I think are pretty good. That’s my opinion.
Tuning the vxr power wise aint gonna make it handle any better. Thats what id spend my money on. and it would take quit a lot of £'s to get it to handle anywhere near as well as the clio.
@jasonf81 Mk4 golf 1.8t 180 bhp standard 0-60 7.6 secs ,top speed 138 , weight 1289kg ,chnces of getting 220bhp out of a remap no chance !! chances of jasonf81 insuring a R32 not a hope in hell ,chnces of the turbo failing on a mk4 Golf 1.8t very very high common problem ,,better save for a new ,besides anyone knows and i am sure tommy will agree that the Mk2 golf gti 16v is the one to have the rest after that are way to heavy , i had a mk2 8v gti and was a nice car
@bign3ck My Clio has never had any probs , My daughters 09 plate Corsa is never out the vauxhall dealer with problems ,,so shit Vauxhall build quality .Ok i accept the fact that the Clio is at its tunning limit in standard form but you really dont need any more its nuts !! , the corsa chassis cant handle its standard power let alone anymore
"How often do you have a 0-60 sprint on the roads ? Never?" ridiculous argument. How often do you get those cars to 7500rpm (almost) never. How often do you use mid-range torque ? all the time that is a very track-oriented test, for cars which, let's face it will spend 99.9% of the time on the road
That doesn't make sence, what insurance company are you with? I also i 3 years no claims but my insurance also costs me £1000 on a citroen c2 furio and thats a 1.4 8v. No offence but by any chance has daddy bought you the car.
@henjo22 No mate, in a straight line your Clio is not quicker than a VXR. And Tiff even says so in this video. The only thing the Clio has on the VXR is the cornering. That is it and the figures given out in the Clio manual book also say that is the case. So ofcourse, everybody will rightly see your comment as a fanboy comment. In fact I can educate you now. Current Clio 200 models are 0-60 in 6.9s... that is slower than the Corsa VXR.
im not arguing with you mate, you have your opinion i have mine. The corsa looks better, the clio obviously handles better, but if on a public road a driver plans on doing more than 40 mph round a tight bend then he she is an idiot, i dont tend to drive like im on a race track. I like a car to look good and move quickly, corsa does both (just my opinion).
@@jochem1986 nope its a result of the driver...every car drives differently clio has lower torque which means you can push the accelarator harder when exiting a corner, the corsa has a turbo which means it has more torque at low revs so you need to have better throttle control when cornering...and i think the clio has better tyres from the factory than the corsa
Used to own a Clio 197. It's the only car I regret selling. Fantastic car
TIff doesn't half rag them, what a great driver
As a track day car I am sure the Clio is outstanding, but I drive to work on public roads and the corsa vxr I drive is just as much fun as the Clio day to day, and in the real world, it's not always about blasting around with your hair on fire, but usability and the quality and additional torque make the corsa the overall better car.
i bought the lotus from a bloke i was doing a job for, he never drove it, took me ages to persuade him to sell it. i love it, nobody knows what it is, and they dnt have a clue about it! lol. u wont regret gettin the vxr m8. i got mine when i was 19. its a great car m8.
well there you have it , 197 baby..
just bought clio 200 cup after owning type R. and a ST. and i,ve got to say that this thing is mental. yes it,s not as practical. but it,s the most fun i,ve ever had in a car. you can make it do whatever you want. i did drive the VXR and it,s really good but like most turbo,s it lacks driver involvment. with the CUP it really is less is more.
The Clio looks nice on the outside, but the inside looks more dated than a saxo vtr!
Yeah shame renault forgot about that even my celica has nice racing leather seats - they could have put some recardo bucket seats in or something
@@benmatheson1189 Recaros are an extra mate!, like on mine ;)
Agreed. I love my 197 on the outside, but the interior lets it down. The seats are nice, but the dashboard... 🤮
@NigoNI60
7500rpm is the MAX that the 197 can rev to. Peak torque is around 5,000 rpm which you will get to VERY often when driving the 197. It revs up far more quickly than the VXR due close gearing. The 197 lacks torque at low revs, not in the mid-range....have you ever driven one? I suspect not. I've driven both and for me the 197 is far and away the better car.
Hmm I have to disagree. ( Just for historical accuracy) my Clio 197 Cup revved to 8000rpm no problem, easily bouncing off rev limiter in all gears, so am not sure what you had. To get the best out of it you have to thrash it which becomes a bit tedious and overly noisy in the cabin after a while, though its handling was sublime. I prefer the low end torque of the Corsa VXR, torque which is completely absent in the Renault, hence constantly having to tiresomely stir the gearbox, and also I prefer the VXR's lighter footprint on the backroads. The Clio 197 Cup was seriously cheap in its build quality and mine very unreliable. Fuel consumption was appalling due to having to rev the nuts off it to get it to fly - 18mpg at full tilt. Fed up with constantly repairing it I got rid of the 197 Cup and will never go back to Renault. Currently I have a Corsa VXR and I prefer having equal performance but using half the effort.
I have a Clio Sport 182 cup, its drives like a dream, i think what many people are forgetting is the clio comes in a few models, Full Fat, Cup and R27. I guarantee a R27 would rip the Corsa VXR to bits!
Having said that the corsa is still a head turner!
i would say the clio would be more reliable due to the naturally aspirated engine, i would be worried about the turbo going on the corsa which is expensive to fix. i think the interior of the corsa is much nicer, but in the end it depends whether you want a car for the way it drives or comfort. its not like the clio interior is shit anyway. i think i would go for the clio actually, due to better handling. in the end handling is the most important especially in britain.
im only 20 aswell. i bought 1 last week. loving every minute of it.scares the crap out of a lot more expensive cars.they r great value for the money, the insurance isnt bad either.£1000 fully comp with 3 years no claims! only thing is the fuel consumption goes down to 7.3mpg when gunning it. well worth it though!
i think the corsa would be a better day to day car. has more usable low down power where you want it around town....not revving the guts off it to get the full potential. also think the corsa has better fuel economy according to official figures tho. i may be wrong tho
if u mod the vxr with lower suspension new bushs and front and rear strut bars then the handling will be second 2 non i have done this 2 my corsa b and it can keep up with an evo on track
I watched this video hundreds of times when I was looking at getting a vxr now I have one im glad i made the right choice its a brilliant car and handles really well really shocked me when i put my foot down init my heart was pumping first time i drove it great cars great looking really happy with it woudl recommend one to neone really well built and great to drive :) clios a kewl car too:)
No,Its the NEW model Dynamique s (looks pretty much like the 197) and its already got some sport skirts and front on it. but the front was dented in so i had to change back to my old bumper, i was thinking though because they're pretty much exactly the same shape....maybe do a 197 conversion.
thanks for the advise by the way :)
Yea i look forward to seeing the selection of hot hatches in the hands of the Stig. I hope they compare the whole selection like the Clio, Corsa, Fiesta and the new Punto. Then we'll truely see the cars potential.
I've just bought Corsa vxr 2010 like it but not as much as I thought, good car but seems not quite all the package I hoped.
You can make the corsa vxr mental with some mods stiffen up suspension good quality tyres exhaust induction kit remap and forged engine mines at 275bhp its a little rocket ship round the track. Only probs is I’ve had to upgrade clutch now as it ruined standard one with the extra extra power. I’ve had 197 1st and was fun but nothing on my vxr
If it's anything like the old 172/182 then the whole front track is much wider than yours, so the 172/182's front wings are much wider to accomodate that. You probably could fit the kit, but you'd need to change your wheels for wider offset ones on the front by quite a bit to fill the gap left by the wider wings.
I don't think you can call it bland. Those flared wheel arches, 17" alloys, rear diffuser, twin exhausts, vents behind the front arches. The Corsa looks like a bad copy done by a Max Power reading 17 year old. He probaly could have done a better job with the handling than Vauxhall did though.
The thing is that the most drivers aren't capable of exploring clio's limits cause these limits exceed their ones. So that's the reason that with two average drivers driving these cars the one with the corsa will be in front of the one with the clio. That's also the reason why the clio is appreciated by the people that have more driving skills. Because clio's chassis is one of the best i've personally met and offcouse the best ever front wheel chassis
@gromit37 Caterham 7 ?!? Man, You are the Boss! That is the thriller 4 sure! Respect.
Btw, I have Clio. Shine machine.
lol does this Corsa model has the problem with the bonnet as well or did they fix it?
I must admit I see quite a few of the new corsa models with their bonnets getting opened by a light wind.
The Clio has been faster than the Astra VXR round every track in every magazine test I've ever read. Astra is quicker in a straight line, but it all goes wrong in the corners and under braking.
I had a 51 clio and it only started falling apart after I crashed it and had it put back together by a shite garage, the sunroof was utter pish though however they dont have a sunroof in the 197 so all should be peachy
A 2002 Clio sport 2.0 is best road sports car beats any corsa VXR OR even the up to date Clio 197, my mate who has one took my for a quick spin and its the most powerful supermini i been in, and fuel economy is quite good too. Renault is well known in F1 Racing too!
Power vs handling and the handling won! Both fast little cars!!
...clio has got a really brilliant handling...but it's top gear ratio is too high, so it can be very annoying on long motorway journey... even the revision in end 2008 of the gear ratios didn't t help much...personally I m looking for a second hand of one of these two, I admit that the Clio is a better car, but I need to ride the highway quiet frequently, so I'take the Cora's...
Ive got a Clio dynamique s 1.6 and its the same colour as this 197.....just wondering do you think its possible to get the body kit of the 197 installed onto mine??????? or is it a completely different fit???
cheers
@286Horses Thats a good road we used to go for a spin on that road in the evenings after college when we stayed in Llangadog. Did top gear film on this road once? Clio for me anyday!!
what a driver tiff is man, love to meet him
Crazy how the Clio 197 is now so much cheaper than the Corsa VXR. I've just uploaded a 12 month review of a Clio 197, if you want to know what they're like to live with have a peek at my channel ✌
Sure will just ordered mine!!! Yipppeeee
I'm from Australia. Where's my Holden v8 family sedan?
@TheSimplyElectric How often do you go round a corder at full speed? Almost never, but how often do you floor a car? Every day?
dont let that pratt bother u lol were the hell did u find a lotus carlton! i dont think ive even ever sin one on the road lol and yeah the corsa is damn quick, im tradin my c2 vtr in on my 19th b-day to get one. cant wait!!!!
Why did he go on the grass? Because the Corsa doesn't handle well. Very fair.
@Crashy5627 because its so heavy it has really short gearing make for better acceleration but limiting top speed
Yeah hard to argue against an EP3 Type R to be fair. I had two corsa's in my younger days and they were both terrible. Loads of common faults, steering rack, cv joints, engine mounts etc etc and on both cars.
Agreed. I own one, R27 version in black. It's so brilliant in handling I never lose my confidence in that car. And it's robust and tough too. 3 years in the running and it's still brilliant. This is my one and only car and my car seems to look medicore compared to my parents ad elder bor's car though. XD
Clio😍
clio has longer wheel base and much larger wheel tracks. It also has better suspension. Finally it is N/A and the front axle doesnt have to deal with turbo lag and shitloads of torque. Response is also more instant. If some of you still hope that corsa can outhandle clio or even be the same i hoper you changed your mind now. And yes offcourse corsa is faster in a straight line because it has a masterpiece engine, ireally appreciate it.
to be honest tho the clio is fucking mint ... clio here we come!
If you look closely the clio barely touches the dirt, if AT ALL where as the corsa is at least i tires width. Clio may well have been faster but times would have been closer still had corsa not hit dirt
The Astra would be in the same class as the Megane not the Clio...and would be out classed by the R26.
The Clio and Corsa are definitely the same class of car regardless of what you might think. Both are aimed at the same sort of buyer and both have similar performance.
The Twingo is TINY in comparison and is merely a warm hatch...ala Mitsubushi Colt/Suzuki Swift etc.
@zhaviator Sorry about the few mistakes, I m on an iPhone , and the autocorrect or is really annoying...
non taken, i earn everything i own. i bought the car myself. was planning 2 move out this year but interest rates r 2 high so i used some of my deposit 4 the car instead! im with admiral. i double checked they had my details right cos i thought it was low aswell. i also have a clean license. i h8 people who rely on mummy & daddy cos they r 2 lazy 2 work 4 the things they want.
I am currently deciding between a astra vxr or corsa vxr in white and black.....even though they are renound as chav cars! I think renault has such a bad reputation with cars i would steer well away from them personally. Vauxhall has a good repuaution i thought? Even though we both know the best hatchback for under 8k to get is the honda civic type r - ep3 or fn2! :D JAPANESE CARS ALL THE WAY!!!
i love scoobys but they're incredibly expensive to run, i've just bought a 197 and could have bought an subaru if i'd wanted but with the cost of tax, insurance, servicing and petrol these days it's just not any fun running a car like that anymore
DC2 Integra Type R = Best front wheel drive car ever.
to be honest, if the vxr never hit the dirt on its timed lap the time would certainly have been closer if not better for the vxr
i guess its as long as it is wide really, the vxr has bags of torque, makes for an easier life to live with it, i would imagine the corsa party piece is its get up and go from a rollling start may be on a twisty road what the corsa dont have in handling it can make up for in extra mid band grunt, and since the vxr is more economical, and dont rev at 4000rpm at 70mph, id take the corsa, but if i wanted a specific for track days then the Clio. No dis respect to you. just my preference thats all
Love watching these old videos.
I always thought the vxr was more about Halfords extras rather than a serious hothatch
@Gwizzlez have a look at the Clio in real life. Pictures and videos don't do it justice.
It is actually squat and mean looking but classy at the same time.
apparently not! he still races classic cars etc as well.
Cool!
yey someone who agrees that the fiesta ST is slow compaired to the others in its class. :D
Vauxhall brand is a British brand soul only in the UK, it's owned by General motors who make and sell the same car with the same engiene in europe as opel, and some other shit names in america and Australia
The Corsa is probably better built than the Clio.. its certainly a very very good looking car. However I think any modern performance car would be brilliant fun to drive if only I was lucky enough to be able to afford one!!! and Tiff Nidell is leg-end
LSD on the burg edition would solve all the handing frailties to top the Clio.
to the clio looks boring looks
the clio looks to perform, the multispoke alloys in graphic grey, the rear diffuser
lets put it simply, the clio is how a racing driver would style it
the corsa is how a 17year old looking at maxpower would style it
and you shouldn have to buy a sports hatch and then upgrade the suspension and brakes
the clio is not turbo charged...so if you wanna tune the vxr, lets tune the clio :)
Is a 197 really that good bit smashed the VXR
Vauxhall Corsa VXR
whats the point in talking about top speed? what really matters is acceleration and handling and after all isnt it your personal preference when two cars are so similar?
French cars are pish a must agree.. these cars are similar in style and that but the corsa vxr wins hands down for me.. mainly due to the fact that the clio is made by Renault and they seam to have a bad reputation for breakdowns etc.. like my megane coupe!
I have the Clio (in black) But I think the Corsa looks more aggresive but I'd have the Clio because it looks Cute~
@JOSHWF2
Not sure where you get the idea that most people race from lights lol? People who own these cars do not race from traffic lights. They are not go-kart, boy racer VTRs, they are proper hot hatches designed for the track. I certainly do not race on the roads...
but maybe he was just talking about drivers in general. would make more sense from what he's written later on
Ive always liked the look of the vxr and knowing its hiding a turbo underneath dat shell, and the 16 valve helps out. I think people are forgetting that even tho the clio beat the corsa round the track in this clip by- wot was it? 1.2 seconds or so. The clio's a 2.o litre compared to the vxr 1.6, it didnt do bad. I know wot ide rather have (the corsa). save a bit more on petrol, wud turn more heads, much nicer interior. easier to mod(if u wanted to). Just looks meaner. Corsa vxr all the way babi
True about the build quality but I disagree they look like sh*t - I prefer the looks over the VXR. You also can't claim that Vauxhall is renowed for build quality either - they're just as bad as Renault. I don't own either of these cars, so speaking impartially, the main reason not to buy a VXR these days is because there's loads of chavs driving them...day to day ease of driving vs a weekend warrior / track car. Pick one to suit your needs.
@286Horses Oh dear, it looks like somebody hasn't seen the torque for 335d's. It is quite confusing why an owner of a 335d would also get the info from Evo when he should know those off by heart anyway. And if you did have a 335d, which you don't, what would you propose? Going up a mountain @2000rpm so you can utilise that pulling power to negate the heavy ass you pulling?
Not only have no clue, you fail at Geogrpahy. Black Mountains is South Wales! More than 55 miles from anywhere near Britol!
i bought the Clio 197 purly after driving an st focus and a golf gti the Clio is a better more fun car to drive
You can spot the intelligent people in here amongst the hordes of idiots. How can you compare something as polished, nimble and as driver focused as humanly possible as a RS197 to a numb, wobbly, unresponsive Corsa. Even in VXR trim it has nothing on the Clio. The only real rivals are the Fiestas, Civics and other small French hot hatches. Look at Chris Harris's review. Why do you think anyone who knows anything about cara slate the VXR but love anything RenaultSport. No competition IMO.
i have a clio, 1.2 tho :( , but it does get quite boring to drive, but it is just soooooo easy to drive
oh so crashing and going off the track is a good driver humm i never knew that and these cars are easy to drive
so mr rvrcoupe19 do you know how to drive
and if you do what car do you drive
Someone has said it very well here - that there is a divide here between idiots and those who know about cars, the idiot is clearly the one that would choose a half hearted, muted and uninvolving uninspiringly disappointing piece of mush (VXR - it's on the same chassis as a standard 1.4!!) - then you have those who know about cars, who would rather have the most driver focused finely honed tool that is so sharp and so much fun (Clio - I don't have one but my brother does, and it gets close to a Honda S2000 for raw thrills) - It's a choice as to what you spend money on but why advertise that you would choose the bottom of the class as opposed to the top!
@TheSimplyElectric i own a 197and love it nuff said
1.2 seconds behind the renault over a mile is nothing anyone will notice
@roundtr1p the vauxhaul looks more or less exactly like every other vauxhaull in their range and are far more common on british roads. vauxhauls to me seem like very lazy design, sticking the additional sporty trim on the vxr models makes them stand out a bit more but doesnt sell them to me. most unique design they have come up with for a few years is the insignia, i agree with you completely the clio is the better looker
Bankjob Completely disagree with you there. Every model looks different. All Astra’s look different from the last one, Unlike something like the Golf where every new one that comes out looks like the last one. Vauxhall designers I think are pretty good. That’s my opinion.
Yehhhh wtf @xplodepaintball! Tiff is a well good driver like to see you keep both them cars tyre squeeling all round the track...
Straight chav, yo.
of course the "extra tenth" is irrelevant
the huge torque difference at mid range isn't, though...
@roundtr1p i disagree, the corsa looks far better in my opinion..the body styling and optional extra's with the vxr is amazing!
@ProjectVRD I'm sorry to upset you but they are 50.5 according to google maps....pay attention!
Tuning the vxr power wise aint gonna make it handle any better. Thats what id spend my money on. and it would take quit a lot of £'s to get it to handle anywhere near as well as the clio.
@jasonf81 Mk4 golf 1.8t 180 bhp standard 0-60 7.6 secs ,top speed 138 , weight 1289kg ,chnces of getting 220bhp out of a remap no chance !! chances of jasonf81 insuring a R32 not a hope in hell ,chnces of the turbo failing on a mk4 Golf 1.8t very very high common problem ,,better save for a new ,besides anyone knows and i am sure tommy will agree that the Mk2 golf gti 16v is the one to have the rest after that are way to heavy , i had a mk2 8v gti and was a nice car
@bign3ck My Clio has never had any probs , My daughters 09 plate Corsa is never out the vauxhall dealer with problems ,,so shit Vauxhall build quality .Ok i accept the fact that the Clio is at its tunning limit in standard form but you really dont need any more its nuts !! , the corsa chassis cant handle its standard power let alone anymore
lots of abuse coming from these comments
The clio on this specific track is the better of the two. Thats it!
corsa crashes within a week cause the handling en the clio gos on cause better handling
please remind me what country vauxhall are from?
England/Germany
I bet they makeMc Donald's car park spaces to suit a corsa. lol
Clio all the way! Corsa aint got sh*t on it.
Haha, Ive got that actual Corsa!
any1 know the price of a Z20leh engine?
"How often do you have a 0-60 sprint on the roads ? Never?"
ridiculous argument. How often do you get those cars to 7500rpm (almost) never. How often do you use mid-range torque ? all the time
that is a very track-oriented test, for cars which, let's face it will spend 99.9% of the time on the road
That doesn't make sence, what insurance company are you with? I also i 3 years no claims but my insurance also costs me £1000 on a citroen c2 furio and thats a 1.4 8v. No offence but by any chance has daddy bought you the car.
@henjo22 No mate, in a straight line your Clio is not quicker than a VXR. And Tiff even says so in this video. The only thing the Clio has on the VXR is the cornering. That is it and the figures given out in the Clio manual book also say that is the case.
So ofcourse, everybody will rightly see your comment as a fanboy comment. In fact I can educate you now. Current Clio 200 models are 0-60 in 6.9s... that is slower than the Corsa VXR.
im not arguing with you mate, you have your opinion i have mine. The corsa looks better, the clio obviously handles better, but if on a public road a driver plans on doing more than 40 mph round a tight bend then he she is an idiot, i dont tend to drive like im on a race track. I like a car to look good and move quickly, corsa does both (just my opinion).
Tbh I have a 172 and I’d still choose my 172 over both over these two! Clio 172 twice the car the 197 is
It's lame to compare a nice driving of the Clio and a driving in the grass with the Corsa.
Not fare !
It’s a result of the car!
@@jochem1986 nope its a result of the driver...every car drives differently clio has lower torque which means you can push the accelarator harder when exiting a corner, the corsa has a turbo which means it has more torque at low revs so you need to have better throttle control when cornering...and i think the clio has better tyres from the factory than the corsa
has he really said that the clios top speed is 134mph??? thats just not possible it must be alot faster...