Pretty much any NFL Stadium that doesn't also host MLS, College Football, or pretty much any other team. Billions of tax dollars for what? 70k seat stadiums that sit empty 350+ days a year.
Depressed Ginger makes videos that all those stadiums be torn down and replaced with 5 billion to 10 billion dollar, taxpayer funded, stadiums. 😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂
The Wilfs wanted their own MLS team so they could have games at US Bank Stadium, but the league snubbed them and built a whole 'nother stadium just because the Bank didn't have natural grass.
Olympic stadiums that get used only for the olympics are the most worthless and biggest waste of money. Most are built for two weeks of use, then get abandoned.
I completely agree. Is all of the money that is spent on hosting the Olympics worth it? Build all of that stuff for 16 days. I fell bad for citizens of Olympic cities having to put up w/ all of that nonsense.
"Olympic stadiums" (the venues where the opening and closing ceremonies are held) are usually used for association football though. The biggest white elephants are usually venues for more obscure sports.
Add all the stadiums from the 2022 World cup in Qatar that are just rotting there after the 1 month tournament. such a waste of resources and lives of those building the venues.
Just wait for the insanity that'll happen with 2034. Literally watched a vid from The B1M today about the stadiums they're building and... yeah, if they get HALF of them done, I'll be shocked.
@@OCs_And_Stories and the famous Quebec peewee tournament lol. As far a I know they don’t even open the upper bowl for jr games unless it’s a big game.
Centre Videotron is primarily used by the Quebec Remparts Junior Hockey Team, and it's perfectly capable of housing an NHL team even though Gary Bettman doesn't want the NHL to return to Quebec City
They needed to build it when the NHL team they had wanted it. For various reasons, they didn't. Team was sold to be moved. Then, much later, an arena project was granted with provincial funding and the city footing the rest of the bill. Sure, one can say the city could reasonably ask for a state-of-the-art, multifunction facility for concerts, events and whatnot. But still, 400 millions (Canadian) dollars... Just to say that the last time I went to the old barn sitting besides, the Colisée, for a IIHF world championships semifinal game in '08, I felt it was a very functional arena, with a Jumbotron they didn't have when the Nordiques left and probably new (plastic) seating (I may be mistaken, but I recall it was wooden seats the time I went prior to that), so the place felt ... up-to-date! But who am I to judge...
“Way over architected for tiny Tulsa Oklahoma” Tulsa is one of the most architecturally artistic cities in the country, its ranked as a top 10 art deco in the country, so of course they would build something like that. They focus on building either nice architecture like buildings you would see in New York or Boston, or they focus on building abstract, like they have plans to build a tower shaped like a tornado.
I wonder how much of a hit it will take when OKC gets their new arena. Tulsa started to get the big name acts at the BOK, but this new one could have them going back to OKC.
@@ShaefferHolt I wonder if vinita will in the future get a arena that beats the bok center in concerts, the reason I’m saying this is because it’s getting a 2billion dollar theme park Called the American heartland that’s expected to compete with Disney land on its opening day, and bring 5mil people annually. Disney and six flags massively grew the cities they were in, so the same could happen to vinita, it would get 4k people just from opening because that’s how many jobs it has, and then there would be more and more jobs and restaurants that open next to the park for easy recognition. So I wonder will vinita be bigger than Tulsa in 50 years 🤔 And even if it weren’t for OKC getting a new arena, OKC in the future would draw people away from the bok, it’s one of the fastest growing cities in the country and it doesn’t seem close to stopping and the legends tower (a proposed 1907ft tall tower that would be the tallest in the country) which seems likely to be built, will probably bring more skyscrapers and growth due to the tourism it would bring. OKC will only get bigger and bigger Tulsa is at a stand still in growth. I mean Drake and Kendrick played in the pay com not that long ago.
@-OAK- Vinita Oklahoma... a town of just over 5,000 people. This sounds a whole lot like the great theme park in Kansas, THE LAND OF AH'S! Never heard of it. That's probably because it never existed, except on paper. In the early 80's some group want to almost every town in southeast Kansas claiming it was planning to build a great park to beat Disney. They said millions of people from all over the world would come. And, lucky for us people that live there, we can become investors!!! As recent politics has taught us once again, we have a lot of stupid people in our country. After a while it seems they didn't get enough to break ground so they took the money and ran! Basically it's the Monorail episode from The Simpsons, except it happened in the town I lived in, which funny enough is under an hour drive to Vinita.
Arena's can often make more money without a major league team if they can fill it with other events because they aren't paying out concessions and parking revenue to the team instead of keeping it.
Kansas City would be a great market for an NBA and an NHL team. Kansas City last hosted the NBA in 1985 when the Kings moved to Sacramento, and they last hosted the NHL in 1976 when the Scouts moved to Denver and became the Colorado Rockies (now the New Jersey Devils)
The Coyotes could have easily moved to Kansas City yet Gary Bettman is so stubborn he moved the team up north to Utah where they don't even have an NHL sized arena.
From what I’ve been told, TMobile center really doesn’t want a sports tenant. They keep that building extremely busy with shows and concerts. Also, TMobile was only built AFTER Kemper arena was taken off the list of the big concert tours due to roof issues.
people sort of laughed and scratched their heads when it was announced the Pyramid would become a Bass Pro Shop but to their credit, they created a legit tourist attraction and it's one of the most visited and most profitable Bass Pro Shops in the country; even has some hotels in the upper floors though it would be nice to utilize more of the upper space of the building.
Darlington Arena should be here. A vanity project for the owner, 20000+ seats for a 3rd/4th tier side, weren't allowed to use more than half capacity after noise complaints, bankrupted the team.
How is Camping World Stadium not on here? Every tenant it's had either left for another stadium or folded. Besides two bowl games, it's basically a concert venue. Orlando keeps dumping money into it thinking that will solve its problems, but like every other underutilized property in Florida, it'll probably be razed for an apartment complex.
I'd say I'd laugh at this if the Jags decide to come here while the Khans rebuild Duval, but I'd just be laughing, period. If Orlando somehow got a permanent NFL team (I give Tampa about a 5% chance of moving, at most, if they got tired of Ray-Jay) I honestly doubt the Citrus Bowl would be where they put the permanent stadium. I can think of a dozen better locations for traffic purposes. None of which are where that baseball stadium concept by Aquatica and the Convention Center was proposed.
@@cypher515The Jags might play a few games there, but I think this is their opportunity to barnstorm and play at stadiums like UF and FSU, too. The Bucs owners will raise a stink to get a renovation in 2028, but there’s zero chance they move. Tampa is too valuable a media market. The best Orlando can hope for is a UFL team.
BOK Center in Tulsa was built specifically for concerts and was a top 30 music venue in the world last year in ticket sales. It was never intended to try and attract major league sports. The hockey team and arena football team are secondary tenants. It’s also hosted a few NCAA tournaments, preseason Thunder games, and some NHL preseason games have been there too. Also hosts a huge PBR event and Bassmasters Classic which I was surprised to learn fills the venue to show off the fish they caught. Whatever makes people happy I guess. I do agree that I think it’s ugly af but lots of people like it for some reason.
@@bostonrailfan2427 it makes more money because the concerts and events can have the prime dates that a sports team would take! Tmoble center is highly successful
@bostonrailfan2427 It was built with the intention of drawing an NBA or NHL team, but 17 years later, neither have shown up. Because the arena doesn't have to work it's event schedule around a primary sports tenant's home games, it has a lot more pull in bringing in top concerts, college basketball or other events that will more than likely pack the house versus using it for a late regular season sports game where the home team is already out of playoff contention and at least a third of the seats are empty. Because of this it brings in more revenue than if it had a sports tenant. It's the happy accident that NBA and NHL owners don't want the world to know about.
I don't know about that revenue. Most of it comes from the arena fee tax charged to hotel guests per night. It was 1.50, but was bumped up to 3 bucks per night by KCMO. If your stadium has to be funded after the fact by visitors who don't even know where the stadium is at, I'd call that a failure
Evergrande's liquidity crisis is more like a Taco Bell fueled nightmare. Basically their shenanigans have done to China what Fannie May and Freddie Mac have done to us back in 2008.
Back to the Big O in Montreal. They are dropping over $600 million to replace the roof of a stadium that hasn't had a professional team in twenty years.
I guess I’m a little behind the times. This just popped up in my algorithm and I just now learned you made a spin off channel. I’ve always liked your stadium videos the most. So I’m happy to see you’ve made a channel dedicated to them. Between you and The Wide World of Stadiums, I’ve got my stadium fix squared away here on UA-cam. Thanks! It could be fun if you two ever decide to collaborate in the future.
Yo we here in Tulsa are very proud of the BOK. You should’ve talked about Oneok Field instead, which struggles to fill half of itself, took up a huge block of the historic Greenwood district in order have a good skyline view, then they boxed it in with ugly apartment buildings making all of that for nothing.
That arena is now doing something it couldn't do when the Coyotes were there: Make money. It hosts lots of big money events throughout the year, and doesn't have to work around the NHL's 41 home games. In fact, 2023 was Desert Diamond (its current name) Arena's best year for revenue and attendance in its 2 decades of existence.
The Pyramid was also HORRIBLE for concerts. Because of the shape the Acoustics were so bad. The upper deck seats were VERY steep too since it got narrower, instead of wider at the top like most stadiums.
Soldier Field in Chicago. It was built for a post WWI Olympic bid that failed. Then, it never had a tenant until the Bears left Wrigley Field after the 1970 season. While it had 2 renovations, as well as the Bears, the Sting of the NASL, the Fire of the MLS (on their second tenancy), the Blitz of the original USFL, the Winds of the WFL, and the Chicago franchise of the original XFL, it's the stadium that no one is ever happy with. Its location near 3 major museums and the convention center make it tough to drive to.
Most stadium are tax payer funded white elephants for billionaire team owners. These facilities are good for about 25 years then become obsolete. The Georgia Stadium was a perfectly good stadium but the billionaire team owner wanted a new sports palace and he got it partly at taxpayer expense.
One building that would make the list is the Izod Center (pka Brendan Byrne and Continental Airlines Arena). After the Devils & Seton Hall made the move to the Prudential Center in Newark (and the Nets were evicted), it sat vacant for some time. It was even used as a test site for laying out the new court for the Nets before being shipped to the Barclays Center. Now, it's a sound stage for television shows & movies filmed in New Jersey.
In fairness to Sprint Center (yes, I know they're T-Mobile now), it was built to replace the woefully outdated Kemper Arena (which has since been retrofit as a community center) and helped revitalize a dead Downtown.
7:30 War does not count as a reason for useless category but for the categroy 'tragic' !! Donbass Arena in Ukraine is a fantastic stadium with a good and succesful tennant Shakhtar Donetsk who won the prestigious Uefa Cup/Europa League in 2009. Useless are World cup Stadiums that are built near an existing stadium that was not deemed posh enough by FIFA officials. The old stadiums were fine to hold world cup games See : South Africa : Durban, Cape town, Soweto etc. Brazil : Manaus, Brasilia and basically half the stadiums ,which are way to big for the football clubs in the cities ..
You are so wrong about the BOK Center in Tulsa. It also hosts 1 OKC Thunder preseason game every year since the move to OKC. Also, host high school basketball tournament. NCAA basketball tournaments. Big 12 wrestling tournament. Hosted the C-USA basketball tournament about 3 times. Also hosted 2 Dallas Stars preseason games. Currently host the Tulsa Oilers IFL football team and also the former home of the Tulsa Talons in the AFL and AF2. Recently hosted a 2 games series between Arkansas vs Oklahoma basketball games. The arena was designed by well known architect Caesar Pelli
I was thinking Nassau Coliseum would be here, but apparently a pro lacrosse team and the Nets D-league team still use it. Las Vegas Sands tried to buy the property, but a court case tossed out the sale because the county didn’t hold enough public hearings, so they have to try again. Sands wants to build a casino-resort with a convention center, which may or may not require the complete demolition of the old arena.
BOK is usually said as the letters B O K, as comes from the initials of Bank of Oklahoma. The BOK branding started being used for banks they acquired outside the state of Oklahoma decades ago, which the company now has several times as many branches outside their home state, as have in their home state.
Trenton NJ. 12,000 indoor arena. Typical story. Minor League Hockey -- left. Minor League Basketball - is that a thing anymore? Circus - closed. multiple Indoor Football teams - all went bankrupt. Occasional high school events and ethic festivals ~ 15 dates/year. Deteriorating and while giving several Mercer County patronage recipients regular paychecks.
Living in Russia we have a great example in Saransk. That city was chosen to host a few 2018 FIFA World Cup games and the stadium was built... after that the soccer team in the city folded, other team that rented the stadium because they couldn't play in their own city also folded... and the stadium is just standing without being used as much anymore...
i am from Brazil and we have two or three stadiums built that never hosted teams in the top tier. Some of them had a reason to be built or expanded: they are located in big cities after all. But with all due respect I don't understand why Saransk of all places was chosen as a host city.
@@fresagrus4490 No one knows... FIFA asked for one small city to be chosen... and Saransk for some reason was chosen... when there were better cities like Yaroslavl (that was proposed as one of the possible hosts).
Great Video! I think I commented here before, but regarding Spanish pronunciation, what you see is what you get: in Nou Mestalla, you pronounce every letter, so a good English transcription would be "No-Mess-TAH-Ju(st)", I hope I explained it well hahaha
It's crazy how american sports just move across country football clubs in Europe would never get away with it some clubs have had the same stadium since they began
I strongly disagree with including Simmons Bank Arena on this list! The arena was never intended to be a home for sports teams. It was built to replace old T.H. Barton coliseum in Little Rock which had become old and very outdated. Simmons Bank Arena replaced it as a concert venue and that is what it is used for these days. Aside from the seats being spaced very close together it's a great venue!
Not surprised at all to see the Alltel Arena in Little Rock lol. I went to a few of those arena football games as a kid (the Arkansas Twisters), and ever since... nothing. I did see the RHCP play there a few years ago, so there's that.
Don't forget Bridgestone Arena in the list of speculation arenas. It was built before Nashville had a team. In fact the city was trying to lure the New Jersey Devils to Nashville, but then the Devils won the Cup and that ship sailed.
What’s crazy about Shakhtar Donetsk is that despite moving around Ukraine (they were in Kharkiv, Lviv, and Kiev) is that they’re still consistently the best team in Ukraine. They win the league almost every year and play in the champions league a lot
TMobile Arena, added basketball locker rooms to accommodate a potential NBA franchise. But given the sheer number of events at TMobile Arena, makes a whole lot of money for Vegas
Ok i have to clarify on the last one: the first time the donbas stadium has been damaged it wasn't beacause russia itself but because of the civil war between the ukranian governative forces with the far-right Azov militia and the russian-speaking separatists backed by Russia
The Memphis Pyramid had another lovely trait , inadequate parking. Memohis is not noted for its mass transit. I used to work a few blocks away, and somebody had an agreement to use the parking lot. But the idiot put cable barriers across tge entrances so nobody snuck in to park for free, then forgot to take them down. Made things interesting for actual employees the next morning.
Now do Sochi, which is not only an unused Olympic park, but an unused Formula 1 track snaking through it. And Soldier Field in Chicago. No football is being played there anymore 🤣🤣🤣
@ FivePointsStadiums If you do a another video, consider adding Auditorio del Bienestar. A never used 13 million dollar stadium in Cancun. Immediately after it was built, it was deemed unsafe to use. The outside is pristine, inside not so much.
Wolstein Center in Cleveland is way too big for Cleveland State’s basketball team as it has a 15000 seat capacity. The Cleveland Charge (Cavs G League team), the other tenant, are moving from the Wolstein Center to a 100 year old auditorium downtown.
Five, you really missed the mark with the BOK Center in Tulsa. BOK was built as part of Tulsa's Vision 2025 project outlay that was voted for back in the early 2000s and passed by the voters of Tulsa County. This arena was part of it (because fuck Oklahoma City if they get a nice new building in the Ford Center now Paycor Arena, we're gonna have a better one) but there were a lot of other improvements done in a civic manner as well (parks, museum upgrades, community buildings). It was never explicitly built for a sports team, but the arena design is so good, San Francisco effectively copy-pasted it to build the Chase Center. T-Mobile in KC was already in the planning works before the Pens relocation saga warmed up. Much like Tulsa, Kansas City has been undergoing heavy urban renewal ever since the meatpacking diaspora in the 80s. Their former arena was down in the West Bottoms as it was part of an annual rodeo show as was sponsored by the large packinghouses in the west bottoms (Armour, Swift, etc). Problem was that the West Bottoms were not pleasant to be around, not easy to get into or out of, and when your city's largest employers are on the outs, not justifiable to spend money at. T-Mobile was built alongside the recovery and buildout of the Power and Light District, as well as the construction of the Kauffman Theatre. KC is still doing lots of necessary work but this arena and the P&L are attracting people back into downtown after dark. The city is being a city once again.
I guess Putin mustve thought for a time, they were gonna use it as a school, library, pediatric hospital, and civilian residence. Gotta hit it, at least a couple a times.
I thought for sure it would be the one in Denver word has it that the Waltons ( Wal-mart) was going to buy it, that only means that like if there are 18 gates only 2 of them will be open and you will have to check yourself in...
That unfinished Spanish stadium in its present state looks like some sort of Roman Colosseum -- maybe it should be allowed to go to ruin like the original did. Y'know, as a tourist attraction...
Copps Coliseum in Hamilton... Built for an NHL team that never arrived. Now they're spending like $200M more to bring it back up to NHL class standards AGAIN to try and lure a team there... 40+ years and counting...
I wouldn't call Tulsa tiny. I city of a little over 400,000 population as the center of a Metropolitan area of just over 1 million (per 2020 census numbers). Tulsa isn't really a major league sports town and hasn't really sought such a sports franchise. The BOK center (pronounced simply as the individual letters which was popularized in the 70's when the National Bank of Tulsa changed its name to Bank of Oklahome and currently owns naming rights to the arena) has been a very busy venue hosting concerts, NCAA conference basketball tournaments, furst round NCAA basketball tourngames etc in addition to the ECHL Tulsa Oilers and the indoor football league team also called the Oilers, plus touring sports events such as the PBR and WWE. Keep in mind, the views in videos such as these are solely the opinion of the creator, who often is not familiar with individual localities.
T-mobile center gets a LOT of concert use. Mahomes is part of an ownership group that are determined to bring a WNBA team as well. The useless arena in KC is the Hy-Vee arena, formerly Kemper. The only reason it hasn't been torn down is the city is still paying off debt on it...that and the ghost of Owen Hart lives there now.
Just one thing, Ukranians are shelled Donbass Arena, not Russians. Donetsk like Donbass is mostly populated by Russians, and Ukrainians wanted to expel them from Ukraine
Honestly almost any NFL-only stadium could be on the list. The going price is a couple of billion dollars for 8 home games a year. Usually at tax payer expense because of course.
I find it hilarious that these so-called concert venues are supposedly attracting what one would call, real concerts. Maybe more like C or D listers lol lol
The SNHU Arena in Manchester, NH could qualify for this list, as it currently doesn't have a permanent tenant. The arena's last permanent tenant, the ECHL Manchester Monarchs, folded in 2019. In spite of the name the Southern New Hampshire Penmen athletic programs do not use the arena
Pretty much any NFL Stadium that doesn't also host MLS, College Football, or pretty much any other team. Billions of tax dollars for what? 70k seat stadiums that sit empty 350+ days a year.
Agreed. At least they all probably book concerts, but still.
I hate when mls teams play in nfl stadiums.
Depressed Ginger makes videos that all those stadiums be torn down and replaced with 5 billion to 10 billion dollar, taxpayer funded, stadiums. 😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂
Jobs - a lot of jobs. The NFL is rich and can afford that. I am an MLS fan myself, have some pride and expect us to have our own homes.
The Wilfs wanted their own MLS team so they could have games at US Bank Stadium, but the league snubbed them and built a whole 'nother stadium just because the Bank didn't have natural grass.
Olympic stadiums that get used only for the olympics are the most worthless and biggest waste of money. Most are built for two weeks of use, then get abandoned.
I completely agree. Is all of the money that is spent on hosting the Olympics worth it? Build all of that stuff for 16 days. I fell bad for citizens of Olympic cities having to put up w/ all of that nonsense.
At least with Japan and France and even the UK the facilities are going to continue to get used.
Depends on the locale.... Athens was a massive waste,Salt Lake? Worth it.
With the exception of Turner Field, yeah pretty much
"Olympic stadiums" (the venues where the opening and closing ceremonies are held) are usually used for association football though. The biggest white elephants are usually venues for more obscure sports.
Add all the stadiums from the 2022 World cup in Qatar that are just rotting there after the 1 month tournament. such a waste of resources and lives of those building the venues.
Just wait for the insanity that'll happen with 2034. Literally watched a vid from The B1M today about the stadiums they're building and... yeah, if they get HALF of them done, I'll be shocked.
He literally said he wasn't counting those. Keep up.
There’s an arena up here in Quebec City which could be on this list
Yeah it’s just home to jr hockey right?
@@OCs_And_Stories and the famous Quebec peewee tournament lol. As far a I know they don’t even open the upper bowl for jr games unless it’s a big game.
Centre Videotron is primarily used by the Quebec Remparts Junior Hockey Team, and it's perfectly capable of housing an NHL team even though Gary Bettman doesn't want the NHL to return to Quebec City
@@jeremyanderson1139 exactly, not sure why they spent what the did on an nhl calibre arena when they know they’re not getting a team
They needed to build it when the NHL team they had wanted it. For various reasons, they didn't. Team was sold to be moved.
Then, much later, an arena project was granted with provincial funding and the city footing the rest of the bill. Sure, one can say the city could reasonably ask for a state-of-the-art, multifunction facility for concerts, events and whatnot. But still, 400 millions (Canadian) dollars...
Just to say that the last time I went to the old barn sitting besides, the Colisée, for a IIHF world championships semifinal game in '08, I felt it was a very functional arena, with a Jumbotron they didn't have when the Nordiques left and probably new (plastic) seating (I may be mistaken, but I recall it was wooden seats the time I went prior to that), so the place felt ... up-to-date! But who am I to judge...
“Way over architected for tiny Tulsa Oklahoma” Tulsa is one of the most architecturally artistic cities in the country, its ranked as a top 10 art deco in the country, so of course they would build something like that. They focus on building either nice architecture like buildings you would see in New York or Boston, or they focus on building abstract, like they have plans to build a tower shaped like a tornado.
I second this. The BOK Center fits in perfectly with the weird and wonderful architecture of Tulsa.
I wonder how much of a hit it will take when OKC gets their new arena. Tulsa started to get the big name acts at the BOK, but this new one could have them going back to OKC.
I’ve heard it called a squished roll of duct tape and I kinda agree.
@@ShaefferHolt I wonder if vinita will in the future get a arena that beats the bok center in concerts, the reason I’m saying this is because it’s getting a 2billion dollar theme park Called the American heartland that’s expected to compete with Disney land on its opening day, and bring 5mil people annually. Disney and six flags massively grew the cities they were in, so the same could happen to vinita, it would get 4k people just from opening because that’s how many jobs it has, and then there would be more and more jobs and restaurants that open next to the park for easy recognition. So I wonder will vinita be bigger than Tulsa in 50 years 🤔
And even if it weren’t for OKC getting a new arena, OKC in the future would draw people away from the bok, it’s one of the fastest growing cities in the country and it doesn’t seem close to stopping and the legends tower (a proposed 1907ft tall tower that would be the tallest in the country) which seems likely to be built, will probably bring more skyscrapers and growth due to the tourism it would bring. OKC will only get bigger and bigger Tulsa is at a stand still in growth.
I mean Drake and Kendrick played in the pay com not that long ago.
@-OAK- Vinita Oklahoma... a town of just over 5,000 people.
This sounds a whole lot like the great theme park in Kansas, THE LAND OF AH'S!
Never heard of it. That's probably because it never existed, except on paper. In the early 80's some group want to almost every town in southeast Kansas claiming it was planning to build a great park to beat Disney. They said millions of people from all over the world would come. And, lucky for us people that live there, we can become investors!!!
As recent politics has taught us once again, we have a lot of stupid people in our country. After a while it seems they didn't get enough to break ground so they took the money and ran!
Basically it's the Monorail episode from The Simpsons, except it happened in the town I lived in, which funny enough is under an hour drive to Vinita.
Yes, the T-Mobile Center was built to lure the NHL, but with no anchor tennet, more open dates mean more events. It's actually made money.
Arena's can often make more money without a major league team if they can fill it with other events because they aren't paying out concessions and parking revenue to the team instead of keeping it.
Don't tell the NHL or NBA or their fanbros that.
Kansas City would be a great market for an NBA and an NHL team. Kansas City last hosted the NBA in 1985 when the Kings moved to Sacramento, and they last hosted the NHL in 1976 when the Scouts moved to Denver and became the Colorado Rockies (now the New Jersey Devils)
The Coyotes could have easily moved to Kansas City yet Gary Bettman is so stubborn he moved the team up north to Utah where they don't even have an NHL sized arena.
From what I’ve been told, TMobile center really doesn’t want a sports tenant. They keep that building extremely busy with shows and concerts.
Also, TMobile was only built AFTER Kemper arena was taken off the list of the big concert tours due to roof issues.
people sort of laughed and scratched their heads when it was announced the Pyramid would become a Bass Pro Shop but to their credit, they created a legit tourist attraction and it's one of the most visited and most profitable Bass Pro Shops in the country; even has some hotels in the upper floors though it would be nice to utilize more of the upper space of the building.
Darlington Arena should be here. A vanity project for the owner, 20000+ seats for a 3rd/4th tier side, weren't allowed to use more than half capacity after noise complaints, bankrupted the team.
How is Camping World Stadium not on here? Every tenant it's had either left for another stadium or folded. Besides two bowl games, it's basically a concert venue. Orlando keeps dumping money into it thinking that will solve its problems, but like every other underutilized property in Florida, it'll probably be razed for an apartment complex.
I'd say I'd laugh at this if the Jags decide to come here while the Khans rebuild Duval, but I'd just be laughing, period. If Orlando somehow got a permanent NFL team (I give Tampa about a 5% chance of moving, at most, if they got tired of Ray-Jay) I honestly doubt the Citrus Bowl would be where they put the permanent stadium. I can think of a dozen better locations for traffic purposes. None of which are where that baseball stadium concept by Aquatica and the Convention Center was proposed.
@@cypher515The Jags might play a few games there, but I think this is their opportunity to barnstorm and play at stadiums like UF and FSU, too. The Bucs owners will raise a stink to get a renovation in 2028, but there’s zero chance they move. Tampa is too valuable a media market. The best Orlando can hope for is a UFL team.
The place does host HCBU games.
Historically it’s had a lot of teams, just not any long term
Does UCF Football not count?
BOK Center in Tulsa was built specifically for concerts and was a top 30 music venue in the world last year in ticket sales. It was never intended to try and attract major league sports. The hockey team and arena football team are secondary tenants. It’s also hosted a few NCAA tournaments, preseason Thunder games, and some NHL preseason games have been there too. Also hosts a huge PBR event and Bassmasters Classic which I was surprised to learn fills the venue to show off the fish they caught. Whatever makes people happy I guess. I do agree that I think it’s ugly af but lots of people like it for some reason.
The Nou Mestalla is basically the Dr. Dre 'Detox' of sports stadiums. It's never going to be completed if we're being honest
Tmoble center in KC makes more money as a concert venue than it does with a permanent sports resident. This has not been failure
because there’s no top sports team there, so it’s only able to make money from concerts/MMA/wrestling
@@bostonrailfan2427 it makes more money because the concerts and events can have the prime dates that a sports team would take! Tmoble center is highly successful
@bostonrailfan2427 It was built with the intention of drawing an NBA or NHL team, but 17 years later, neither have shown up.
Because the arena doesn't have to work it's event schedule around a primary sports tenant's home games, it has a lot more pull in bringing in top concerts, college basketball or other events that will more than likely pack the house versus using it for a late regular season sports game where the home team is already out of playoff contention and at least a third of the seats are empty. Because of this it brings in more revenue than if it had a sports tenant.
It's the happy accident that NBA and NHL owners don't want the world to know about.
@@scarpfish yes, that’s exactly what i said
I don't know about that revenue. Most of it comes from the arena fee tax charged to hotel guests per night. It was 1.50, but was bumped up to 3 bucks per night by KCMO. If your stadium has to be funded after the fact by visitors who don't even know where the stadium is at, I'd call that a failure
Evergrande's liquidity crisis is more like a Taco Bell fueled nightmare. Basically their shenanigans have done to China what Fannie May and Freddie Mac have done to us back in 2008.
Back to the Big O in Montreal. They are dropping over $600 million to replace the roof of a stadium that hasn't had a professional team in twenty years.
I guess I’m a little behind the times. This just popped up in my algorithm and I just now learned you made a spin off channel.
I’ve always liked your stadium videos the most. So I’m happy to see you’ve made a channel dedicated to them.
Between you and The Wide World of Stadiums, I’ve got my stadium fix squared away here on UA-cam. Thanks! It could be fun if you two ever decide to collaborate in the future.
I jumped out of Grossi's charity stream to watch this. That's how much I care.
Actually I have it on background.
There is something fitting about an Egyptian inspired pyramid in the middle of Tennessee being used as a temple to all things outdoors.
Yo we here in Tulsa are very proud of the BOK. You should’ve talked about Oneok Field instead, which struggles to fill half of itself, took up a huge block of the historic Greenwood district in order have a good skyline view, then they boxed it in with ugly apartment buildings making all of that for nothing.
How did Glendale Arena didn't get on the list? (Former home of the Coyotes)
That arena is now doing something it couldn't do when the Coyotes were there: Make money. It hosts lots of big money events throughout the year, and doesn't have to work around the NHL's 41 home games. In fact, 2023 was Desert Diamond (its current name) Arena's best year for revenue and attendance in its 2 decades of existence.
...isn't it the State Farm stadium?...
@@markkalfahs1047No, SFS is a separate building next door.
Concerts, baby.
“Yuri, are you going to the futball game tonight.”
“No, Igor. I caught a shrapnel fragment in my leg at the last game so mom said I can’t go.”
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The Pyramid was also HORRIBLE for concerts. Because of the shape the Acoustics were so bad. The upper deck seats were VERY steep too since it got narrower, instead of wider at the top like most stadiums.
At least they found a use for the building by turning it into a Bass Pro Shops
@@jeremyanderson1139 Memphis all but gave the Pyramid to Bass Pro Shops. A boondoggle from start to finish.
I saw Elton John and Billy Joel perform one of their Face2Face shows at the Pyramid and I enjoyed it.
The locals used to say you got two concerts for the price of one - the one on the stage plus the echo.
Soldier Field in Chicago. It was built for a post WWI Olympic bid that failed. Then, it never had a tenant until the Bears left Wrigley Field after the 1970 season.
While it had 2 renovations, as well as the Bears, the Sting of the NASL, the Fire of the MLS (on their second tenancy), the Blitz of the original USFL, the Winds of the WFL, and the Chicago franchise of the original XFL, it's the stadium that no one is ever happy with. Its location near 3 major museums and the convention center make it tough to drive to.
Most stadium are tax payer funded white elephants for billionaire team owners. These facilities are good for about 25 years then become obsolete. The Georgia Stadium was a perfectly good stadium but the billionaire team owner wanted a new sports palace and he got it partly at taxpayer expense.
The BOK is a top five concert venue in America. It is used year around and never sits empty.
One building that would make the list is the Izod Center (pka Brendan Byrne and Continental Airlines Arena). After the Devils & Seton Hall made the move to the Prudential Center in Newark (and the Nets were evicted), it sat vacant for some time. It was even used as a test site for laying out the new court for the Nets before being shipped to the Barclays Center. Now, it's a sound stage for television shows & movies filmed in New Jersey.
the joke at the end is crazy
Nuevo Mestalla probably looks like what Colosseum did about 100 years after the Fall of Rome!
Olympic stadium in Montreal is useless too 🤣
In fairness to Sprint Center (yes, I know they're T-Mobile now), it was built to replace the woefully outdated Kemper Arena (which has since been retrofit as a community center) and helped revitalize a dead Downtown.
7:30 War does not count as a reason for useless category but for the categroy 'tragic' !!
Donbass Arena in Ukraine is a fantastic stadium with a good and succesful tennant Shakhtar Donetsk who won the prestigious Uefa Cup/Europa League in 2009.
Useless are World cup Stadiums that are built near an existing stadium that was not deemed posh enough by FIFA officials. The old stadiums were fine to hold world cup games
See : South Africa : Durban, Cape town, Soweto etc.
Brazil : Manaus, Brasilia and basically half the stadiums ,which are way to big for the football clubs in the cities ..
Maybe Donetsk, Ukraine could get a hockey team. They could name the team's venue "Puck Futin!"
You are so wrong about the BOK Center in Tulsa. It also hosts 1 OKC Thunder preseason game every year since the move to OKC. Also, host high school basketball tournament. NCAA basketball tournaments. Big 12 wrestling tournament. Hosted the C-USA basketball tournament about 3 times. Also hosted 2 Dallas Stars preseason games. Currently host the Tulsa Oilers IFL football team and also the former home of the Tulsa Talons in the AFL and AF2. Recently hosted a 2 games series between Arkansas vs Oklahoma basketball games. The arena was designed by well known architect Caesar Pelli
I love BOK. Seen a few concerts and NCAA basketball games there. Excellent facility in underrated downtown Tulsa. From Arkansas.
I was thinking Nassau Coliseum would be here, but apparently a pro lacrosse team and the Nets D-league team still use it. Las Vegas Sands tried to buy the property, but a court case tossed out the sale because the county didn’t hold enough public hearings, so they have to try again. Sands wants to build a casino-resort with a convention center, which may or may not require the complete demolition of the old arena.
Scratch the box lacrosse team-- they're moving to Ottawa.
@@guyfaux3978And the LI Nets are playing a couple of games in Montreal
BOK is usually said as the letters B O K, as comes from the initials of Bank of Oklahoma. The BOK branding started being used for banks they acquired outside the state of Oklahoma decades ago, which the company now has several times as many branches outside their home state, as have in their home state.
1:49 the Simmons arena is also a host for high school graduations but also had issues with security at graduations.
5:45 when I create a team on NHL I figuratively use this stadium and OKCs stadium because it feels like such a waste lol
Trenton NJ. 12,000 indoor arena. Typical story. Minor League Hockey -- left. Minor League Basketball - is that a thing anymore? Circus - closed. multiple Indoor Football teams - all went bankrupt. Occasional high school events and ethic festivals ~ 15 dates/year. Deteriorating and while giving several Mercer County patronage recipients regular paychecks.
I remember that building. You might as well put Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City on the list as well.
Living in Russia we have a great example in Saransk. That city was chosen to host a few 2018 FIFA World Cup games and the stadium was built... after that the soccer team in the city folded, other team that rented the stadium because they couldn't play in their own city also folded... and the stadium is just standing without being used as much anymore...
i am from Brazil and we have two or three stadiums built that never hosted teams in the top tier. Some of them had a reason to be built or expanded: they are located in big cities after all. But with all due respect I don't understand why Saransk of all places was chosen as a host city.
@@fresagrus4490 No one knows... FIFA asked for one small city to be chosen... and Saransk for some reason was chosen... when there were better cities like Yaroslavl (that was proposed as one of the possible hosts).
Usually the answer with infrastructure is .... politics.
Why is YUM Brands Center in Louisville Kentucky not here as well? That arena could host an NBA/NHL team not just NCAA teams
It makes money due to being booked throughout the year.
Great Video! I think I commented here before, but regarding Spanish pronunciation, what you see is what you get: in Nou Mestalla, you pronounce every letter, so a good English transcription would be "No-Mess-TAH-Ju(st)", I hope I explained it well hahaha
It's crazy how american sports just move across country football clubs in Europe would never get away with it some clubs have had the same stadium since they began
Your right. the FA in Britain have banned teams moving since the Wimbledon scandal
I strongly disagree with including Simmons Bank Arena on this list! The arena was never intended to be a home for sports teams. It was built to replace old T.H. Barton coliseum in Little Rock which had become old and very outdated. Simmons Bank Arena replaced it as a concert venue and that is what it is used for these days. Aside from the seats being spaced very close together it's a great venue!
The BOK Center hosts both Tulsa Oilers teams (ECHL and IFL). Not to mention many concerts. It gets utilized plenty.
Estadio Cartuja in Seville
Built for an Olympics that never came and they couldn’t get either of Seville or Betis to move out of their own stadiums
Not surprised at all to see the Alltel Arena in Little Rock lol. I went to a few of those arena football games as a kid (the Arkansas Twisters), and ever since... nothing. I did see the RHCP play there a few years ago, so there's that.
No, but my field (soldier field) is being shelled by the 27 QBs we’ve had since 2010. I’d honestly rather be in Ukraine
Too soon
Strange that Kansas City would build another arena when they still use the 50 year old Hy-Vee aka Kemper Arena.
Kemper Arena can't host major events anymore due to roof issues that would be too expensive to fix.
Fun fact Donbas Arena’s likeness was used as the stadium in cod warzones map!
1:53 is basically NERV HQ from Evangelion 😂
Don't forget Bridgestone Arena in the list of speculation arenas. It was built before Nashville had a team. In fact the city was trying to lure the New Jersey Devils to Nashville, but then the Devils won the Cup and that ship sailed.
What’s crazy about Shakhtar Donetsk is that despite moving around Ukraine (they were in Kharkiv, Lviv, and Kiev) is that they’re still consistently the best team in Ukraine. They win the league almost every year and play in the champions league a lot
Family arena in St. Louis is by far the most useless arena I’ve ever been to
TMobile Arena, added basketball locker rooms to accommodate a potential NBA franchise. But given the sheer number of events at TMobile Arena, makes a whole lot of money for Vegas
Yo! Simmons Bank arena in North Little Rock, AR gets used all the time for concerts. I wish we could land some kind of sports team in it though.
Ok i have to clarify on the last one: the first time the donbas stadium has been damaged it wasn't beacause russia itself but because of the civil war between the ukranian governative forces with the far-right Azov militia and the russian-speaking separatists backed by Russia
The BOK Center also hosts an indoor football team that is also named the Oilers
Little Rock built an 18,000 seat arena. Brilliant. Not far from Memphis, so you can plan a field trip to visit those two mistakes in a day.
The Memphis Pyramid had another lovely trait , inadequate parking. Memohis is not noted for its mass transit. I used to work a few blocks away, and somebody had an agreement to use the parking lot. But the idiot put cable barriers across tge entrances so nobody snuck in to park for free, then forgot to take them down. Made things interesting for actual employees the next morning.
The "In real life comedy tour" poster .😂
Now do Sochi, which is not only an unused Olympic park, but an unused Formula 1 track snaking through it.
And Soldier Field in Chicago. No football is being played there anymore 🤣🤣🤣
@ FivePointsStadiums If you do a another video, consider adding Auditorio del Bienestar. A never used 13 million dollar stadium in Cancun. Immediately after it was built, it was deemed unsafe to use. The outside is pristine, inside not so much.
MK Stadium in Milton Keynes, a 30k all seater stadium for a club almost just 20 years old and with little to no fans
GABP is an excellent stadium. Is filled pretty consistently. Several concerts venues.
Wolstein Center in Cleveland is way too big for Cleveland State’s basketball team as it has a 15000 seat capacity. The Cleveland Charge (Cavs G League team), the other tenant, are moving from the Wolstein Center to a 100 year old auditorium downtown.
TMobile Arena is actually pretty nice, I went there in 2017 for UFC On FOX: Johnson vs. Reis.
Five, you really missed the mark with the BOK Center in Tulsa. BOK was built as part of Tulsa's Vision 2025 project outlay that was voted for back in the early 2000s and passed by the voters of Tulsa County. This arena was part of it (because fuck Oklahoma City if they get a nice new building in the Ford Center now Paycor Arena, we're gonna have a better one) but there were a lot of other improvements done in a civic manner as well (parks, museum upgrades, community buildings). It was never explicitly built for a sports team, but the arena design is so good, San Francisco effectively copy-pasted it to build the Chase Center.
T-Mobile in KC was already in the planning works before the Pens relocation saga warmed up. Much like Tulsa, Kansas City has been undergoing heavy urban renewal ever since the meatpacking diaspora in the 80s. Their former arena was down in the West Bottoms as it was part of an annual rodeo show as was sponsored by the large packinghouses in the west bottoms (Armour, Swift, etc). Problem was that the West Bottoms were not pleasant to be around, not easy to get into or out of, and when your city's largest employers are on the outs, not justifiable to spend money at. T-Mobile was built alongside the recovery and buildout of the Power and Light District, as well as the construction of the Kauffman Theatre. KC is still doing lots of necessary work but this arena and the P&L are attracting people back into downtown after dark. The city is being a city once again.
The statement that the Trop in Tampa is still active didn’t age well.
I saw Springsteen in BOK Arena in Feb 2023.
The basic idea of the Memphis Pyramid isn’t awful, but the execution was absurdly bad.
These places give new meaning to the term white elephant.
I guess Putin mustve thought for a time, they were gonna use it as a school, library, pediatric hospital, and civilian residence. Gotta hit it, at least a couple a times.
I thought for sure it would be the one in Denver word has it that the Waltons ( Wal-mart) was going to buy it, that only means that like if there are 18 gates only 2 of them will be open and you will have to check yourself in...
I felt personally attacked with Simmons Bank Arena being the first and I'm also UALR Alumni 😅😅😅
Kansas City had a professional basketball team until they moved to Sacramento, California.
Valencia also has an abandoned F1 circuit.
I hope Kansas City's T-Mobile Center might house a NLL Lacrosse team
Seattle's Kingdome was up there. Lifelong Seahawks and I'd been there several times and all the complaints about it were smack on accurate.
That unfinished Spanish stadium in its present state looks like some sort of Roman Colosseum -- maybe it should be allowed to go to ruin like the original did. Y'know, as a tourist attraction...
5:31 We are still trying though, just have to find the right opportunity
Copps Coliseum in Hamilton... Built for an NHL team that never arrived. Now they're spending like $200M more to bring it back up to NHL class standards AGAIN to try and lure a team there... 40+ years and counting...
I’ve seen it! Its very nice and i was wondering wtf it was doing in Hamilton lol
Top notch commentary. Couldn't stop laughing..
I had some great times jumping off that stadium in Verdansk...
I wouldn't call Tulsa tiny. I city of a little over 400,000 population as the center of a Metropolitan area of just over 1 million (per 2020 census numbers). Tulsa isn't really a major league sports town and hasn't really sought such a sports franchise. The BOK center (pronounced simply as the individual letters which was popularized in the 70's when the National Bank of Tulsa changed its name to Bank of Oklahome and currently owns naming rights to the arena) has been a very busy venue hosting concerts, NCAA conference basketball tournaments, furst round NCAA basketball tourngames etc in addition to the ECHL Tulsa Oilers and the indoor football league team also called the Oilers, plus touring sports events such as the PBR and WWE. Keep in mind, the views in videos such as these are solely the opinion of the creator, who often is not familiar with individual localities.
T-mobile center gets a LOT of concert use. Mahomes is part of an ownership group that are determined to bring a WNBA team as well. The useless arena in KC is the Hy-Vee arena, formerly Kemper. The only reason it hasn't been torn down is the city is still paying off debt on it...that and the ghost of Owen Hart lives there now.
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"Over-architected" is not a word.
Pretty sure FivePoints just hates small to mid-size cities.
Just one thing, Ukranians are shelled Donbass Arena, not Russians. Donetsk like Donbass is mostly populated by Russians, and Ukrainians wanted to expel them from Ukraine
did you get your daily vodka ration or is that being withheld?
Well....now Tropicana Field ain't open...well the roof is
The Tacoma Dome? I don’t know why it’s there.
Honestly almost any NFL-only stadium could be on the list. The going price is a couple of billion dollars for 8 home games a year. Usually at tax payer expense because of course.
Don’t the Tulsa oilers of the ifl also play at the bok center?
The Tulsa Oilers play hockey in the ECHL!
@@tannerwilson4843 there is an indoor football league team named the Tulsa Oilers. Look it up
Yes they do. I hate how the same name is used for both
@@OCs_And_Stories it is confusing
The Wichita Intrust Arena is worthless! Its not large enough to draw big events/concerts and there is no close parking. Waste of money
I find it hilarious that these so-called concert venues are supposedly attracting what one would call, real concerts. Maybe more like C or D listers lol lol
First Ontario centre in Hamilton Ontario. Built for an nhl team that never came
The SNHU Arena in Manchester, NH could qualify for this list, as it currently doesn't have a permanent tenant. The arena's last permanent tenant, the ECHL Manchester Monarchs, folded in 2019. In spite of the name the Southern New Hampshire Penmen athletic programs do not use the arena
I disagree on the Bank of Oklahoma center. It's a great concert venue but yes or architected
Was that prophecy? How's Tropicana Field doing now?
Kinda feel this way about bush stadium. Held more people, looked better. Tore it down to build a boring one.
Simmons Bank Arena is a popular concert venue. I'd say it is not actually useless.
Well Gary wants to expand again
Include the Alamo dome 💀