I tried to tell you about Valerion lol. I have been a beta tester since October and I can tell you it's the real deal in a dedicated theater room. Very high end tone mapping, very bright, great dynamic dimming. It is an amazing projector and and even more amazing value.
I think this highlights why MWAVE was such a unique experience. A home theater specific show, organized by home theater enthusiasts, where literally every booth had exactly what we were all there to see. Not to mention the opportunity to see multiple dedicated theater rooms. MWAVE was the absolute BEST!!
It was a great show. I am grateful for the three years I had with it but am super pumped with our plans for Obsessed Home Theater. Long-term goals are to have smaller quarterly or even monthly get-togethers at Obsessed Home Theater headquarters in Florida. Doing a massive show requires six months of planning. That’s just simply not sustainable for me.
I would also add, Valerion has 3 RGB lasers, Dolby Vision and HDR10+ and DTM for HDR, 110% of REC 2020 color gamut, Vertical lens shift,Optical all glass zoom lens and on max model add on lens increasing throw Ratio to 2.1,auto focus,auto screen fit and so on..... Certainly specs. on paper leaves the three PJ Bigboys in the rearview mirror!! I think these Bigboys of PJ market will have to do lots of soul searching!
You know, I don’t really know how I feel about the micro LED TVs. I understand the argument that they will eventually come down in price however, like you mentioned before in a dedicated theater room, they will never be an equivalent to a projector with a transparent screen. However, at the same time, I would imagine that the processing power of AV would eventually catch up because all you would need is four point source speakers located north, south, east and west of the screen. In saying that I still feel there will always be a market for projectors for real movie enthusiast whereas the micro LED consumers will be more geared towards sports and run-of-the-mill television shows.
I appreciate the feedback. Unless a channel has hundreds of thousands of views per video, sponsored content is necessary to pay the bills. This trip probably cost me $3,000 out of pocket. If I had even 3% of my audience become a patron, even at the lowest tier of two dollars a month, I would have zero need to make sponsored content.
Glad you checked out the Valerion. I would love to see a review. Your right about the blacks not being as good as JVC, but it also isn't the same price point.
Respectfully, you forget, the world is MUCH bigger than the US. As someone that's worked in T.Comm over 25 years (internationally), and lot of the brands you may see at CES have a strong presence in other parts of the world.....mainly because some countries don't have as much disposable income as we do in the US so they need products that fit in their budget and lifestyle. Whenever I come come to the US from working it makes me rethink what we have here v/s other places. One example is, in Japan, you can actually rent a phone power bank ANYWHERE , attach it to your phone, and return it to the closest return station. It's quite interesting and different how others live.
I appreciate projectors and have used them always in my theater but it's looking more and more like like my next projector will be a tv. The way movies are made now with HDR I just can't see a new projector in my future. I'll just keep my old ones and my motorized screen. That way I can do both. Crazy times with tvs
I just made a comment a few days ago about how projectors were the future because they were probably going to become more convenient than a 100-150 inch TV but I wasn't expecting transparent TV's that have depth hologram like depth to them to be available anytime soon
It's the LCR challenge, as always. How do you get that uniform, horizontal central LCR placement? Particularly on screens so large that you have to move those speakers even further off their prime vertical centre. Can't lie though. Love the HDR and deep blacks
How are you going to get one of those 163" tv's through the door. Michael mentioned he could "see the seams" so I'm not about to buy a tv that I have to click a bunch of panels together lol
@@Youthmanfrom the few times I've been to CES it looks like everything is scaled towards vendors now and low budget marketing of cheap products. Not a lot of big hitters this year. But it's cool to see some of the new display tech that's coming to the consumer market. Being in the professional production industry for a long time and seeing how LED walls have gotten tighter and tighter pixel groupings, it's really awesome to see the micro LED hitting the market. It's the next best thing to OLED and having the brightness levels that HDR needs. Great coverage of your dinner experience! 😍
Since you're a dealer now many of those unfamiliar companies are manufacturers of things that can carry the obsessed home theater label. They may have a product in an area of home theater that isn't obvious. Those big battery systems that can power a home theater with clean interrupted power. A lot of home automation products etc. Think outside the box and maybe you'll find another avenue for obsessed home theater.
Michael, thanks for checking out the Valerion and considering taking deeper dive. As Max backer, I am interested on your thoughts (yes I am aware it's not a newer JVC or Sony) and hopefully more competition with improved black levels and higher lumens will follow in this price range. By the way I was full halfway through your dinner just by watching the video 😄 Ceviche is one of my favorite appetizers!
That last time I went to CES was almost 10 years ago. Even then, I felt like there were only 3 thing: TVs, headphones, and iPhone accessories. 20 years ago, it was awesome- it was TVs, home audio, dozens of good video projector demos - Joe Kane would sit in the Samsung booth and talk about color reproduction on projectors all day. There were all the home automation companies, remote controls, tons of home theater stuff. (basically all of the Cedia type stuff) There was all the computer stuff from Apple and Microsoft. And of course a million little gadgets on display that vendors hope and pray someone will want to sell. I'm glad you got a good meal :)
It would be great if you can get a VisionMaster Max, test it, and provide your point of view. All reviews are very positive and even compared with JVC and Sony. I believe they (Valerion) will disrupt this space (in a good way)...
My 65" QLED gives me eye fatigue after watching for an hour. Big TVs don't interest me at all, I need to get my new JVC ordered. CES is such a different vibe from CEDIA, more my speed.
Hisense, TCL, awol, valerion and other smaller brands are ready to make it uncomfortable for the big boys. Competition drives innovation and price reductions. Win win. For the consumer
Michael, I've got the Valerion Pro 2, it's pretty impressive! You should check it out. They've fixed the achilles heel of DLP (dark scene performance). It's not JBL black levels but it's pretty good. The Dolby Vision support also helps it a ton.
From what I can see it very well may provide a very high value proposition, which could be a great fit from Obsessed Home Theater for those that don’t have the budget for something like a JVC
Around 12:00, anyone else seeing Geordie La Forge's Visor? Loved your sum up of the...ahem... Robots of Questionable Design Intent. I can see how it's not a great show for those looking for dedicated full scale home cinema sund innovation. Hope you had fun though. The food looked like the highlight!
CES has always been about global consumer electronics on a very broad scale. It has never been HT centric. Closest to HT are the rollout of massive new TV’s by global manufacturers.
Hope to see you do a deep review with the Valerion! Been seeing good things and if I didn't already own a BenQ x3000i, at comparable price points the Valerion is looking like a better unit in that price category.
Hi youthman so in a video you made a short while ago you mentioned true full range speakers. check out the bang and olufsen beolab 90 it goes down to 12 hz and apparently has more bass than an sb17. they cost more than most will spend on an entirely awesome system.
Seeing Caleb must have been pretty cool! You're my go to guy for audio advice and I will probably be choosing my next tv based off of Caleb's reviews. The Sony Bravia 7 and X90L are really checking all my boxes. A little side note on the Valerian......I think, like in my case and many other people, as you mentioned....I would need to place it on the wall at back of my space on a shelf about 6.5/7 feet off the ground above my couch and something like that is "nice and pretty" so it would look better than a giant black box. My screen would only be 13ish feet from the lens so I wouldn't need something as powerful as a JVC or something similar. I'm with you on the McLaren!! I'd even choose it over the Bugatti. The red car you looked at that you didn't know the emblem off was a Koenigsegg.....VERY VERY VERY fast car. A very few hand built in Sweden per year.
Valerion pro 2 was showcased in the light controlled 220 room. The unit most people and my self pledged is the valerion max version which will ship in may. It boasts 40k to 1 contrast vs 15k to 1, and motorized lens shift. Im sure it will impress you with a pledge price of 2199$
I wonder if Dynaudio designers were influenced buy the Visor worn by Jordi La Forge in Star Trek : The Next Generation when designing that big sound bar at 11:05
I didn’t know Panasonic made TVs until today when I watched one of Caleb Denison’s videos. I used to own Panasonic projectors, but they stopped making them for consumer homes.
It was weird seeing their odd movements and un-natural mouth quiver. Very un-life like. But I’m sure overtime they will continue to get better and better.
Then maybe countries outside of Asia should be more innovative? Who's fault is it that all this technology and innovation is coming from there? Lol what do you expect?
Great TV sizes. Thanks but you guys are AMATEURS when it comes to VEGAS. I get there every 2 to 3 months. There is so much to do. Unless money is the issue.
@Youthman Well by your own words you were going for 5 days ..and it was your First time there. You paid your flights why not learn about Vegas more ...
You’ll never see JTR at CES or CEDIA. Not a good enough return on investment for them. The reason they came to MWAVE the last three years that I was involved with it was we made it super affordable. To do and enclosed booth at CEDIA or CES would likely run over $50,000 just for the booth alone and only get a few thousand visitors over the course of three days. On UA-cam, we can generate tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of visitors virtually
As far as pushing people to buy JTR, I’m simply sharing what I have discovered to be the absolute best bang for your butt with incredible performance in a dedicated theater room. If there’s something else you prefer, go for it. No one‘s making you purchase anything.
Certainly, this omission is significant if you missed the entirety of the event. It provides limited insights, primarily consisting of footage of the host walking through the hallways.
I tried to tell you about Valerion lol. I have been a beta tester since October and I can tell you it's the real deal in a dedicated theater room. Very high end tone mapping, very bright, great dynamic dimming. It is an amazing projector and and even more amazing value.
I definitely see the value proposition. I’m looking forward to checking it out for myself.
@Youthman that's great to hear. I was very skeptical at first also but seeing and experiencing the projector changed my mind.
Same for me.
I think this highlights why MWAVE was such a unique experience. A home theater specific show, organized by home theater enthusiasts, where literally every booth had exactly what we were all there to see. Not to mention the opportunity to see multiple dedicated theater rooms. MWAVE was the absolute BEST!!
It was a great show. I am grateful for the three years I had with it but am super pumped with our plans for Obsessed Home Theater. Long-term goals are to have smaller quarterly or even monthly get-togethers at Obsessed Home Theater headquarters in Florida. Doing a massive show requires six months of planning. That’s just simply not sustainable for me.
@@YouthmanI’ll have to make a trip to florida for that!
@GeorgeTheaterAtHome we would love to have you. I also have some big ideas to support content creators.
@ count me in!
I would also add, Valerion has 3 RGB lasers, Dolby Vision and HDR10+ and DTM for HDR, 110% of REC 2020 color gamut,
Vertical lens shift,Optical all glass zoom lens and on max model add on lens increasing throw Ratio to 2.1,auto focus,auto screen fit and so on..... Certainly specs. on paper leaves the three PJ Bigboys in the rearview mirror!! I think these Bigboys of
PJ market will have to do lots of soul searching!
You know, I don’t really know how I feel about the micro LED TVs. I understand the argument that they will eventually come down in price however, like you mentioned before in a dedicated theater room, they will never be an equivalent to a projector with a transparent screen. However, at the same time, I would imagine that the processing power of AV would eventually catch up because all you would need is four point source speakers located north, south, east and west of the screen. In saying that I still feel there will always be a market for projectors for real movie enthusiast whereas the micro LED consumers will be more geared towards sports and run-of-the-mill television shows.
I agree I don’t see projectors going anywhere anytime soon. But you can never say never with technology.
Love the format .. lots to see. Thanks for sharing!! Enjoy and pace yourself =)
Thanks brother. We only stayed one day. Wasn’t worth staying the additional two days.
I much preferred this style of trade show coverage over CEDIA. Asking real questions, forming real opinions vs. sponsored hype coverage.
I appreciate the feedback. Unless a channel has hundreds of thousands of views per video, sponsored content is necessary to pay the bills. This trip probably cost me $3,000 out of pocket.
If I had even 3% of my audience become a patron, even at the lowest tier of two dollars a month, I would have zero need to make sponsored content.
Glad you checked out the Valerion. I would love to see a review. Your right about the blacks not being as good as JVC, but it also isn't the same price point.
“For those of you guys that are lonely.” LOL.
I mean, hopefully if you’re married, you’re not buying one of these ladies 🤣🤣🤣
Respectfully, you forget, the world is MUCH bigger than the US. As someone that's worked in T.Comm over 25 years (internationally), and lot of the brands you may see at CES have a strong presence in other parts of the world.....mainly because some countries don't have as much disposable income as we do in the US so they need products that fit in their budget and lifestyle. Whenever I come come to the US from working it makes me rethink what we have here v/s other places.
One example is, in Japan, you can actually rent a phone power bank ANYWHERE , attach it to your phone, and return it to the closest return station. It's quite interesting and different how others live.
What was the dinner bill?
You need a “tv” in your new greater room especially since they can be cinescope
Vould love to se a test where you put up on the screen a side by side image from the Valerion and your JVC to compare the black levels ;)
That would be a cool comparison. I’m still waiting to hear back from them.
I appreciate projectors and have used them always in my theater but it's looking more and more like like my next projector will be a tv. The way movies are made now with HDR I just can't see a new projector in my future. I'll just keep my old ones and my motorized screen. That way I can do both. Crazy times with tvs
I just made a comment a few days ago about how projectors were the future because they were probably going to become more convenient than a 100-150 inch TV but I wasn't expecting transparent TV's that have depth hologram like depth to them to be available anytime soon
I still prefer projector for a dedicated theater room but love a large TV for the living room.
Projectors look more cinematic and they don't shine light directly onto you.
It's the LCR challenge, as always. How do you get that uniform, horizontal central LCR placement? Particularly on screens so large that you have to move those speakers even further off their prime vertical centre.
Can't lie though. Love the HDR and deep blacks
How are you going to get one of those 163" tv's through the door. Michael mentioned he could "see the seams" so I'm not about to buy a tv that I have to click a bunch of panels together lol
Lots of those companies that you have never heard of are OEM manufacturers that are looking to reach out to vendors.
That makes sense.
@@Youthmanfrom the few times I've been to CES it looks like everything is scaled towards vendors now and low budget marketing of cheap products. Not a lot of big hitters this year. But it's cool to see some of the new display tech that's coming to the consumer market. Being in the professional production industry for a long time and seeing how LED walls have gotten tighter and tighter pixel groupings, it's really awesome to see the micro LED hitting the market. It's the next best thing to OLED and having the brightness levels that HDR needs. Great coverage of your dinner experience! 😍
Definitely would hit that Jose Andres Argentina steak house 😮
If I ever make it to Vegas I know one restaurant I'll be visiting.
Since you're a dealer now many of those unfamiliar companies are manufacturers of things that can carry the obsessed home theater label. They may have a product in an area of home theater that isn't obvious. Those big battery systems that can power a home theater with clean interrupted power. A lot of home automation products etc. Think outside the box and maybe you'll find another avenue for obsessed home theater.
Michael, thanks for checking out the Valerion and considering taking deeper dive. As Max backer, I am interested on your thoughts (yes I am aware it's not a newer JVC or Sony) and hopefully more competition with improved black levels and higher lumens will follow in this price range. By the way I was full halfway through your dinner just by watching the video 😄 Ceviche is one of my favorite appetizers!
CES is now the Temu warehouse tour.
🤣
That last time I went to CES was almost 10 years ago. Even then, I felt like there were only 3 thing: TVs, headphones, and iPhone accessories.
20 years ago, it was awesome- it was TVs, home audio, dozens of good video projector demos - Joe Kane would sit in the Samsung booth and talk about color reproduction on projectors all day. There were all the home automation companies, remote controls, tons of home theater stuff. (basically all of the Cedia type stuff)
There was all the computer stuff from Apple and Microsoft.
And of course a million little gadgets on display that vendors hope and pray someone will want to sell.
I'm glad you got a good meal :)
It would be great if you can get a VisionMaster Max, test it, and provide your point of view. All reviews are very positive and even compared with JVC and Sony. I believe they (Valerion) will disrupt this space (in a good way)...
That is the plan.
My 65" QLED gives me eye fatigue after watching for an hour. Big TVs don't interest me at all, I need to get my new JVC ordered. CES is such a different vibe from CEDIA, more my speed.
Hisense, TCL, awol, valerion and other smaller brands are ready to make it uncomfortable for the big boys.
Competition drives innovation and price reductions. Win win. For the consumer
I'll take one of the AI robots to greet people from the ticket booth at the entrance of my Home theater.
Michael, I've got the Valerion Pro 2, it's pretty impressive! You should check it out. They've fixed the achilles heel of DLP (dark scene performance). It's not JBL black levels but it's pretty good. The Dolby Vision support also helps it a ton.
From what I can see it very well may provide a very high value proposition, which could be a great fit from Obsessed Home Theater for those that don’t have the budget for something like a JVC
21:06 - Hmmm, interesting... wonder whats up with that? 🤔
What were you referring to?
It's weird to still see Kodak with a booth and just walking right by as they were video king in 1985 and now seemingly irrelevant.
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Radio Shack also had a booth 🤷♂️
CES was very underwhelming this year.
Definitely agree.
it's so wonderful, thanks.
thanks for sharing.. Cool,
Around 12:00, anyone else seeing Geordie La Forge's Visor?
Loved your sum up of the...ahem... Robots of Questionable Design Intent.
I can see how it's not a great show for those looking for dedicated full scale home cinema sund innovation. Hope you had fun though. The food looked like the highlight!
Imagine they made it curved back n the sides 😁👌
CES has always been about global consumer electronics on a very broad scale. It has never been HT centric. Closest to HT are the rollout of massive new TV’s by global manufacturers.
Hope to see you do a deep review with the Valerion! Been seeing good things and if I didn't already own a BenQ x3000i, at comparable price points the Valerion is looking like a better unit in that price category.
I reached out to them while I was at CES. Waiting to hear back from them.
Acoustically transparent TVs coming soon 😂
That's my kind of toy show, wish I was there
Kool Thank you for sharing
Some awesome tech , wish I could have attended.
Love tech shows 👌👌👌👌👌👌
Hi youthman so in a video you made a short while ago you mentioned true full range speakers. check out the bang and olufsen beolab 90 it goes down to 12 hz and apparently has more bass than an sb17. they cost more than most will spend on an entirely awesome system.
Seeing Caleb must have been pretty cool! You're my go to guy for audio advice and I will probably be choosing my next tv based off of Caleb's reviews. The Sony Bravia 7 and X90L are really checking all my boxes.
A little side note on the Valerian......I think, like in my case and many other people, as you mentioned....I would need to place it on the wall at back of my space on a shelf about 6.5/7 feet off the ground above my couch and something like that is "nice and pretty" so it would look better than a giant black box. My screen would only be 13ish feet from the lens so I wouldn't need something as powerful as a JVC or something similar.
I'm with you on the McLaren!! I'd even choose it over the Bugatti. The red car you looked at that you didn't know the emblem off was a Koenigsegg.....VERY VERY VERY fast car. A very few hand built in Sweden per year.
Valerion pro 2 was showcased in the light controlled 220 room. The unit most people and my self pledged is the valerion max version which will ship in may. It boasts 40k to 1 contrast vs 15k to 1, and motorized lens shift. Im sure it will impress you with a pledge price of 2199$
I wonder if Dynaudio designers were influenced buy the Visor worn by Jordi La Forge in Star Trek : The Next Generation when designing that big sound bar at 11:05
Why no visit to the Panasonic booth?
I didn’t know Panasonic made TVs until today when I watched one of Caleb Denison’s videos. I used to own Panasonic projectors, but they stopped making them for consumer homes.
The humanoid robots are looking completely shit. Hahaha.
It was weird seeing their odd movements and un-natural mouth quiver. Very un-life like. But I’m sure overtime they will continue to get better and better.
CES is junk.
🤣🤣🤣 Matt you always tell it like it is. I have a more gentle approach.
😂
Wow Matt .. wouldn't have guessed that response from ya!! Now I need to take a deeper dive in why !!
By 2pm on Day 1, he was bored.
@@Youthman absolutely luv what you guys are doing together!! The union between two Great brands !!! Following you both for a very long time ! Godspeed
CES was much more consumer focused about 15yrs ago, especially when they had the audio venues at alexis park.
That restaurant was the highlight. Holy Cow! I'm considering going to Vegas just for Bazaar now. 😂
It was a really cool experience
Wow that bad you left Vegas in 1 day
Koenigsegg > McLaren
Koenigsegg > McLaren > My 2013 Ford Explorer. I’d gladly take either one 😀
U need wireless tvs so you can put them on a motorized spinning display. Very practical
Bello/Magnifico.🙏✡️✡️✡️✡️✡️✡️👑
CES is slowly becoming the Chinese Electronics Show
There were plenty of brands I had never heard of before, but it’s understandable. It is a global show.
Well a lot of this tech is coming from Asia… Would you feel better if CES was held in Taiwan like Computex?
I know for me, I could care less where it’s held. It’s the content of the show that determines whether or not it’s applicable to my business.
Then maybe countries outside of Asia should be more innovative? Who's fault is it that all this technology and innovation is coming from there? Lol what do you expect?
Great TV sizes. Thanks but you guys are AMATEURS when it comes to VEGAS. I get there every 2 to 3 months. There is so much to do. Unless money is the issue.
We didn’t go to Vegas to experience Vegas, we went there for CES. I can visit Vegas anytime if I wanted to do something there.
@Youthman Well by your own words you were going for 5 days ..and it was your First time there. You paid your flights why not learn about Vegas more ...
The plan was to fly in the evening before CES, attend CES for 3 days and fly home the following morning. The plan was never to experience Vegas.
@@Youthman Interesting
That's one hell of a dinner
Definitely the coolest dinner I’ve ever experienced.
Bazaar Meats is one of my favorite steak houses.
Man it was cool. When the guy told us that each steak is 3 pounds my jaw dropped lol.
After all those appetizers I would have been too full to eat the steak.
@stephenphillips1660 it wasn’t that filling.
Where is all them big black speakers that you are trying to push on people to buy. I don’t think people are OBSESSED with them 😂😂😂😂
You’ll never see JTR at CES or CEDIA. Not a good enough return on investment for them. The reason they came to MWAVE the last three years that I was involved with it was we made it super affordable.
To do and enclosed booth at CEDIA or CES would likely run over $50,000 just for the booth alone and only get a few thousand visitors over the course of three days.
On UA-cam, we can generate tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of visitors virtually
As far as pushing people to buy JTR, I’m simply sharing what I have discovered to be the absolute best bang for your butt with incredible performance in a dedicated theater room. If there’s something else you prefer, go for it. No one‘s making you purchase anything.
Certainly, this omission is significant if you missed the entirety of the event.
It provides limited insights, primarily consisting of footage of the host walking through the hallways.
I’m not sure I understand your comment
The south is notorious for mainly Chinese brands nobody ever heard of. It’s always empty. There are other videos about it.
They should sell sunglasses
Koenigsegg all day long
I would have done a dukes of hazzard into the Koenigsegg.....
I wouldn’t have fit 🤣
Magic Mike pbly would of been better then ces 🤣
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