@@imyouralibi6208 Not to mention those droids were put on the ship to aid the clones. They turned traitors very quickly. Curious if the droids would have joined the separatists also if boarded. Maybe a B1 battle droid could ask them nicely to switch sides. It worked for Ashoka.
You mean to tell me that they had stun guns, and their only purpose was to postpone the clones' deaths? No one thought to use the stun guns to, oh, idk STUN THE CLONES TO GET THEIR INHIBITOR CHIPS OUT while they're unconscious? What we got makes it look like Ahsoka only wanted a plot device to save HER skin, rather than her wanting to save the skin of others. She's such a self-centered brat.
For real, it makes me so mad that she didn't even TRY to remove the chips from any of the other clones. Like yeah, Filoni, you're reeeaaaally convincing me that she cares about ALL the clones 🙄
@@imyouralibi6208 ADD to that: They were stunned OUTSIDE THE MEDBAY! It would take a few seconds to get them in there and fixed up even before Maul cripples the ship. WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?!
@@ECSOrder66 I think because they needed to escape, it’s much easier when you have a smaller group to sneak off a ship, there were hundreds of other clones that could easily shoot down the ones they saved, Rex and Ahsoka were the most skilled and so it made most sense to escape by themselves as quickly as possible
Actually, I agree with Ahsoka when she said: "The Republic couldn't have asked for a better army than the clones". I mean, just take a look at what other armies the Star Wars Galaxies have to offer. The Stormtroopers and the Droids are both incompetent comic relief. The Alliance to restore the Republic, while very respectable in the EU, is a disorganized mess of people who can't agree on anything in the new canon, and they only seem to get anything done when the main characters disobey the orders of their superiors. They topple the empire only for a more powerful empire to rise in its place and wipe them out in literally a single blast. And don't even get me started on the clown factions in the sequels.
@@imyouralibi6208 No offence to your sister, but I really urge her to watch some of the CIS Droid's finest moments in the show and reconsider if she still stands by her quote "Should have gotten droids". Most of the time they're onscreen, the B1s are getting their rear models kicked by clones, anyways.
One thing I want to add: Why does Rex know Sidious‘ name? Either the information is included on the inhibitorchip and every clone has that information once the chip activates … Which would seem like a massive unnecessary risk for Palpatine in the first place. Or … based on the information he has, Rex figured out that Palpatine is Sidious. (He could‘ve figured it out, it not completely unreasonable.) But if that ist the case: Wie doesn‘t Sidious order all the other clones to kill Rex as well, because Rex therefore knows way too much.
I believe this is because in s7 e10 Ahsoka, obi wan, bo katan and Rex are speaking and they are talking about sidious and how he orchestrated the clone wars, he probably figured it out from there
@@tomwilkinson1247 Even if we believe that: Then why would Rex tell Sidious that he knows about his secret? If I were Sidious in that situation, I‘d order all the troopers to kill Rex as well, because he then therfore knows too much.
As a fan of the prequels I am offended that Filoni fans say that this makes the prequels better and wish we saw more of Order 66 from other people other than Ashoka
It's funny how when Lucas did the movies, and it wasn't his intention to make the council idiots, they were naturally idiots, but in TCW, when they are written to be purposefully "unlikable" because they oppose Ahsoka at every opportunity, Filoni inadvertedly makes them more reaosnable than in the movies and makes me low key defend them after seeing them get so much unwarranted shit from their actions in the show.
I wouldn't say they're "idiots" in the movies, just misguided. But I absolutely agree on how Filoni inadvertently makes the Jedi appear far more reasonable/likeable than he intended.
@@imyouralibi6208 Yeah, although by "idiots" i don't mean they are corrupt or arrogant like what Filoni tries to potray, but they seem too blind to obvious signs that some things are wrong and not the way they want it to go (Anakin's being on the verge of turning dark and constantly lying to them, the clone army and Jango Fett being 100% suspicious) more of a practical critique than a moral one like what TCW tries to go for. TCW tries to "correct" that mistake of the Jedi being too oblivious but by making Yoda and the council KNOWINGLY work besides a clone army that is a Sith plot without doing anything about it, which is just illogical.
@@prometheusmodelow8322 Oh yeah, they definitely were prone to overlooking/mishandling things, though that is in large part to Sidious meddling/clouding their vision with the dark side. But I agree that the Jedi in TCW just act so moronic that they really have no excuse. It's infuriating.
Ahwoka learnt from the best sociopathic gaslighter, sisterslayer by proxy and liar in the galaxy Boo-Karen. :D This is a rare moment wen Failoni threw Ahwoka under the bus to make his other fanfic Mary Sue look better.
I suppose Ashoka delay in sensing to what is happening ties into how the hell do none of the Jedi around the Galaxy sense they only sense at the last second
I have mixed feelings aon Order 66 applying to Maul. On one hand, I see that as a trained force-user who is against Sidious, Maul poses the same threat to the Empire that a Jedi would (Sid even considers him dangerous enough to deal with himself in TCW), but as Order 66 was meant to apply to Jedi generals betraying the Republic, and Maul neither holds the rank of Jedi general, nor can he betray a Republic he was never part of. I guess it's possible that the order just came seperately in Sidious' briefling. ("Kill Maul, also execute Order 66") or that the Republic was going to have him executed anyways. As for why Vader wasn't targeted by Order 66, I'm sure that Palpatine gave clear instructions to the clones that Anakin is exempt from Order 66.
"I guess it's possible that the order just came seperately in Sidious' briefling" I did think of that but I feel it's one of those things that *should* have been clarified.
It just makes no sense as to why Palpatine would mark Ahsoka for death. Ahsoka is Anakin's beloved padawan, his baby sister in a way. Palpatine needs to keep Anakin happy because Anakin is stronger in the Force pre-Mustafar. Imagine if Anakin won on Mustafar and found out that Palpatine killed his former pupil. You'd get the same result as the alternate ending to Revenge of the Sith in the video game tie-in where Anakin plunges a saber in Sidious' gut and declares himself Emperor. Darth Sidious, the man known to the rest of the galaxy as “Chancellor Palpatine,” was always depicted as a mad genius. Ever since his appearance in Return of the Jedi, Sidious was always one step ahead in the game. He rarely makes mistakes, and almost everyone is caught in his web: the Jedi, the Clones, the Separatists and their droids, Count Dooku, and Anakin Skywalker. Even the Rebel Alliance walked into his trap lock, stock, and barrel, over Endor. The Rebel Alliance is portrayed to be the best of the Empire without their negative aspects, from soldiers, pilots, senators, generals and admirals who left the Empire due to its evil and formed their own army to fight it. And yet even they fell into the same traps that everyone else fell in decades ago, just to show how brilliant and clairvoyant Sidious is. But here, Sidious is acting like a fool. He’s committing actions that would realistically get him killed by Anakin. This is especially since Anakin is fretting over losing loved ones in Episode III, and this whole arc was concurrent with Episode III. The moment Anakin wakes up as he is encased in the iconic armor of Darth Vader, and after he’s had his bout of despair about Padme’s death, he’d turn and ask Palpatine about Ahsoka. Palpatine would then have three choices: A) lie and say Ahsoka got killed by Maul, B) lie and say Ahsoka turned traitor, or C) tell Vader the truth and say he triggered Order 66 on her. The first choice might be the most prudent, but what would happen if the clones succeeded and got back to Coruscant? Rex would tell Vader the truth and Vader would try to kill Sidious. Heck, Vader could find out the truth if he searched around the crashed ship Ahsoka was on and find out from its records that the clones tried to kill her, which means that he’ll discover Sidious’ attempts to kill his beloved student, which would turn Vader against Sidious, and if Sidious doesn’t kill Vader, Vader will kill him. The second choice wouldn’t work, since Anakin knows Ahsoka would never do that, and that would again, turn Vader against Sidious. The third choice would lead to Vader killing Sidious or at least trying to, which would rob Sidious of a powerful apprentice since there are few as powerful as Vader in his time.
For real, there's literally no reason for it. Ahsoka wasn't a Jedi, nor was she a threat. Sidious could've let her come back to Coruscant and let Anakin deal with her while he dealt with Maul. I swear, this show is so dumb 💀
@@imyouralibi6208 Hell, this is what I would've done with Ahsoka's story to explain her absence in the OT and why Vader hates the Rebels so much. Since Lucas wanted Ahsoka dead by the end of the Clone Wars, one cool way to kill off Ahsoka would be to have her fall to the Dark Side and join Vader in darkness. That way, technically, the Jedi who was once Ahsoka Tano dies, and a dark avenger takes her place. Have her come back from Mandalore as a conquering heroine, with Darth Maul and some of his Mandalorians in chains, but by the time she makes it back, Coruscant has changed. The Republic is transitioning into the Empire. And as her star destroyer parks in Coruscant’s landing bays, she also spots a small black shuttle from the bridge of her ship, and she senses that Anakin is aboard that shuttle. When her ship lands, Ahsoka, Rex, and their honor guard are then met by other members of the 501st Legion who give her an update on recent events, on the Jedi Rebellion, Anakin’s promotion as Lord Vader, and what happened to him. Ahsoka asks to see Anakin, and the 501st soldiers take her to the medical station where Sidious is having Vader treated after his disastrous battle with Kenobi. Ahsoka makes it to the room where Vader is being treated by the droids, and it is here where she meets Darth Sidious. Ahsoka is distraught over what happened to Anakin, looking at him through a glass window, but she is not allowed to be with him as the droids were busy rebuilding him. When Ahsoka finds Palpatine, she asks the Sith Lord “WHO DID THIS TO HIM!?” while pointing at the disfigured Anakin. Palpatine then informs Ahsoka of the events of Order 66 from his point of view: the Jedi tried to rebel and kill off Palpatine, Anakin remained loyal and saved him from Mace Windu and the Jedi Council, Anakin defeated the Jedi insurgents in the Jedi Temple, and after he eradicated the Separatist leaders in Mustafar, Kenobi ambushed him and nearly killed him. Knowing that Ahsoka resented the Jedi for abandoning her, and that her love for Anakin outweighs any lingering loyalty she has to the Jedi way, it doesn’t take long for Sidious to manipulate Ahsoka into believing the Jedi were evil. As Anakin’s screams interrupt their talk, Sidious notes how Anakin’s own Jedi mentor did this to him, which then causes the young Ahsoka to vow revenge against the Jedi. Sidious then dispatches her to secure the Jedi Temple and make sure no Jedi come back to scout out their old home. After Darth Vader emerges from his surgery, Palpatine sends him to the Jedi Temple, where Ahsoka was waiting in the Jedi Council chambers. Ahsoka senses who the masked warrior in black armor is, and the two of them share a tearful hug. Vader tells Ahsoka that he lost damn near everything-Padme was dead, Kenobi betrayed him, he lost the power he once had, he lost everything-except for Ahsoka. Ahsoka promises Vader that she would never leave him, and Vader accepts it as an oath of loyalty. Later, after Vader and Palpatine took their first look at the Death Star construction process, Vader and Palpatine go to the Jedi Temple, and it is there Ahsoka is anointed as the Grand Inquisitor for the Imperial Inquisition-tasked to kill renegade Jedi. Vader and Palpatine then have her train several captured Jedi Younglings into becoming the new Inquisitors. Cut to several years later during Star Wars Rebels, and Ahsoka and Captain Rex still sign on with the Rebels, and Ahsoka assumes the title of Fulcrum. On the surface, she and Rex are there because she’s a Jedi remnant who is helping the cause. But in reality, they’re deep-cover Imperial agents who are there because the Imperial Senate found the courage to defy the Emperor on certain legislation, specifically, his moves to increase the size of the military. They began to remind Palpatine that they supported his rise as Emperor so that he can fix their problems-they didn’t make him Emperor so that he can take their wealth to fund his own private army. The Senate makes a stand, telling Palpatine that he is a constitutional monarch who has to rule under the limits of their new constitution, otherwise, they can easily depose him and vote in a new ruler if he oversteps his bounds. Sidious was livid with anger at the defiance his senators showed him, but unless he wanted to be overthrown, he had to respect their power. In a peacetime environment, having an absolute ruler with a large army becomes somewhat unpopular, especially when it’s really expensive to maintain large fleets of Star Destroyers and trillions upon trillions of Stormtroopers. The Emperor does what he can to increase the military’s size, but with popular senators like Bail Organa blocking him at every turn, he and Vader had to resort to other options. Knowing that Bail Organa and the others had been secretly funding a rebel movement against the Empire, with some covert support from Order 66 Jedi survivors, Vader concocted a plan to make the Rebels threatening enough so they can use the dissident senators’ own rebel movement against them, turning it into a threat that can justify a massive military response. Ahsoka’s goal on paper is to aid the Jedi and the Rebels, but in reality, her goal is to make the Rebel Alliance be enough of a threat to the point where the Imperial Senate would pass legislation to support the Emperor’s efforts to increase the size of the military. Her secondary goal is to recruit as many Jedi survivors into the Rebel Alliance, so that once the Empire finally deals with the Alliance, they can also kill as many Jedi survivors as they can with one blow. In essence, Ahsoka would have the same role that Count Dooku and the clones played during the Clone Wars: organize opposition against the state so as to allow Palpatine to increase the state’s power, while playing the role of a false ally for the Jedi to work with, only so she can turn around and kill them all. As a Jedi, Ahsoka projects a sense of hope and strength for survivors of Order 66 and the Rebels. As a deep-cover operative, no Imperial save for the Emperor and a few others know of her true allegiance, and she was given clearance to kill as many Imperials as needed to make the plan work. As a battle commander, the strategies that she and Rex push through are efficient, effective ways to defeat the Empire, but they cause a lot of collateral damage along the way. While Bail and the others are iffy on her methods, they get the results, so the Alliance leaders continue to support her and give her lots of power to lead. It is here where the Rebels’ Ghost crew, Ezra, Kanan, Sabine, Hera, Zeb, and Chopper come across her, and she works with them. Ahsoka teaches Ezra to be more aggressive with the Force, leading to some suspicions from Kanan. Ezra’s use of the Force begins to incur more Imperial casualties as time goes on, giving the Empire’s media some juicy bits to use concerning the terrors of “Jedi traitors” and their scary powers. Ahsoka and Rex’s tactics give the Rebels victory, but they do cause some collateral civilian damage, although unlike Saw Guerrera, Ahsoka and Rex avoid extremist rhetoric, keeping them on the good graces of the Alliance leadership. However, the increased number of Alliance operations that lead to collateral damage actually does its work in slowly tipping the Imperial Senate into supporting more powers for the Emperor and a larger military, as the Imperial media always makes note of rebel attacks that end with the deaths of bystanders, children, and other civilians who were just doing their duty. Eventually, Maul enters the group, with him and his Mandalorians having escaped Sidious again. You can even have them meet the same way they met in the Malachor-esque planet, but Maul doesn't betray the gang. Instead, Ahsoka "sacrifices" herself to stop Vader's advance while Maul and the others get away. Once they're gone, Ahsoka personally reports to Vader everything that has happened, then Vader tells her to keep doing what she was doing. To sell the deception, Vader has Ahsoka imprisoned tortured in a fortress owned and operated by the Imperial Inquisition-a prison designed to torture and break Jedi. Vader allows rumors of Ahsoka's survival to leak to the Alliance, and sure enough, Ezra, Kanan, and Maul get to the prison and see Ahsoka getting tortured while strapped down to a machine wearing a slave costume, while her torment is being supervised by Force Unleashed-style Purge Trooper droids designed to kill Jedi. The good guys rescue her, not knowing that all the torture there was just a sham and Ahsoka was already trained by Vader to withstand ridiculous amounts of pain through the Dark Side. When she gets back to the Rebels, Ahsoka doesn’t approve of Maul coming in, but Maul made a decent case with the Alliance, especially since he is a Sith Lord, which could be useful when fighting other Sith like Darth Vader. Plus, Maul and his contacts among the Mandalorians and the crime families kept the Alliance well-funded and supported, with crime families providing funds and spies, as well as Mandalorians undertaking covert operations and fire support missions. Maul allows for his own homeworld of Dathomir to be used as a staging ground for the Alliance, and remnants of both the Nightsisters and the Zabrak Nightbrothers clan join the Rebel Alliance. Maul teaches Ezra better lightsaber forms and some Sith techniques, to Kanan’s disapproval, but the Alliance’s support for Maul keeps him off the hook. With Maul’s support, the Rebels become even more powerful, although Maul’s forces do tend to cause collateral damage, so the Rebels make sure not to use him unless they need someone with his particular penchant for brutality.
@@imyouralibi6208 It then comes to a head when the Rebellion faces Grand Admiral Thrawn. Thrawn locates the rebel fortress on Dathomir, and he lays siege to it. By this time, the Alliance has attracted dozens of Jedi survivors into its ranks and has scored several impressive victories. The Imperial Senate has given more and more power away to the Emperor, especially after a rebel attack led to an accident that causes a few million deaths on a space station that crashed into a populated world. Now the Emperor has the clearance from the Imperial Senate to spend as much as he needs to on the military, and the Alliance has outlived its usefulness. Thrawn defeats a large Mon Calamari armada in space, so the rebels activate a powerful planetary shield that covered the planet and kept it safe from bombardment, and their high-powered surface-to-space turbolasers keep Thrawn’s forces at bay, forcing the Star Destroyers to spend all their power to keep their shields up lest the planetary guns shred the Star Destroyers into bits. And while the Jedi disapprove of it, Maul gets the clearance from Rebel High Command to use Dathomiri witch magic to attack Thrawn the same way Mother Talzin attacked Count Dooku in the Clone Wars. In the past, Maul had one of his spies steal a lock of Thrawn’s hair as the latter went to a famous barber shop in an Imperial-controlled world, and his voodoo spell now assaults the Grand Admiral in the center of his own flagship, the Admonitor. Maul appears through a projection, warning the Imperials to leave Dathomir. Thrawn’s assistants, Governor Pryce and Admiral Konstantin, turn to Vader for help, and Vader’s response is to go to his inner sanctum and commune with Ahsoka through the Force. With many Alliance leaders gathered in one spot, along with many Jedi survivors of Order 66, now is the time to wipe them all out. Ahsoka gets the message and relays it to Rex, who then alerts his own men (fake defectors from the 501st Legion) about what they’re going to do. Prior to the battle, Rex and his 501st operatives secured a sizeable shipment of Super Battle Droids from a defunct Separatist base that they have reprogrammed to serve the Alliance. But in reality, they serve Rex and Ahsoka, and once the signal is given, Ahsoka turns on the rebel leaders in their headquarters, massacring many leading Alliance generals and killing several Jedi survivors, while Rex, his fellow clones, and the Super Battle Droids start wreaking havoc on the Rebel base. With the Rebels mostly focused on the space battle and defending from any Imperials, the attack from within caught the Rebels by surprise, and the Super Battle Droids succeed in using their wrist rockets to destroy several power conduits that connected the planetary shield with the power generator. This destroys the shields which allow the Star Destroyers to perform surgical strikes against the planet’s defenses, and it also causes enough of a ruckus to disrupt Maul’s spell which saves Thrawn from death. Ezra, Kanan, and Maul fight Ahsoka as the latter stands over the bodies of dozens of dead Jedi and rebels. Kanan calls out Ahsoka for betraying the Jedi, but then Ahsoka responds by saying that the Jedi know nothing of loyalty, and her loyalty was to the Jedi who stood by her until end, not the Jedi who condemned her and abandoned her. When Kanan asks which Jedi was that, Ahsoka points to an Imperial shuttle landing on Dathomir with several Imperial transports-Darth Vader has arrived. Ahsoka presses her attack, which leads to Kanan’s death. Ezra, Maul, and what’s left of Kanan’s crew have no choice but to watch as their friends get slaughtered by Ahsoka and Thrawn’s forces as they flee aboard their ship, the Ghost. Vader leads the Imperials to victory against the remaining rebel forces and Jedi, and he reunites with his apprentice. Ahsoka returns to Coruscant as a conquering heroine, finally revealed as the Grand Inquisitor and a servant of the Empire. The once-mighty Rebellion is reduced to a shadow of its former self (setting the stage for how scattered the Rebel Alliance was at the start of the original trilogy) and dozens of Jedi have been slain. Ahsoka and Vader have their triumph in Coruscant, where they lead thousands of captured rebels and Dathomiri through the streets of the Imperial City, with some being sold off as slaves, while captured Rebel leaders are strangled by Vader in front of cheering crowds of Imperials. However, within the celebration, Ezra, the remaining Ghost Crew, and Maul are plotting their chance to strike down Vader, the Emperor, and Ahsoka Tano. With Maul’s Mandalorians and crime syndicate troops brainwashed by Maul having infiltrated the crowds, they detonate a dirty bomb that leads to mass panic among the crowds, and Maul’s henchmen attack the Imperial troops, while Ezra, Maul, and Sabine make a beeline towards the Imperial leadership, as Vader gets the Emperor to safety while Ahsoka stands guard to delay any attackers. Ezra and Ahsoka lock sabers, with Ezra being bitter about Ahsoka’s betrayal. When Ezra tells Ahsoka that she was a cold-blooded monster due to her betrayal of the Jedi and the Rebels, Ahsoka responds with “good soldiers follow orders” and her true loyalty was to the Jedi she loved. Ezra, having lost his mentor and his family to the Empire, balks back at Ahsoka, saying the Empire took away almost everyone he loved. He gives in to the Dark Side, and unloads on Ahsoka everything he learned from Maul. Ahsoka was impressed at Ezra’s strength, stating that it was a shame he was their enemy, for he could have made a great inquisitor. But as she counters and strikes back, Maul appears and kills her. This sends Vader flying into a rage. Vader abandons the Emperor’s side and speeds towards Maul with the Force, blasting through debris and Maul’s forces. Maul and Ezra then fight Vader. Maul took Qui-Gon Jinn and Ahsoka Tano from him, so he was fighting at full power, and he eventually kills Maul by blasting him clear through with dark energy, leaving nothing but ashes. Ezra realizes the folly of revenge and devotes what’s left of his time and strength to help his friends get off-world. He then sacrifices himself by confronting Darth Vader and dies to Vader’s blade as the Ghost crew and what’s left of Maul’s crew leave Coruscant. Vader then goes over to Ahsoka, who is now dying. Palpatine tried to use his knowledge of the Dark Side to save her, but to no avail, as he was not as strong as Darth Plagueis. Ahsoka confesses her love for Anakin, and how fortunate it was, that he would be with her in her last moments. As the last gasp of life leaves Ahsoka’s body, Vader screams in despair, and vows to hunt the Rebel Alliance down to the last man, setting the stage for the ruthless man we see killing rebels in A New Hope. Maul’s attack shatters any illusions for peace in the minds of the Imperial Senate, who then finally give Palpatine near-absolute control of the state, as well as the power to prosecute any senator suspected of treason. There. My explanation as to why Ahsoka is KIA by the time of the OT, and why Vader hates the Rebels with the fiery intensity of a million Foreman grills.
@@HolyknightVader999 Awesome rewrite! I'd always liked the idea of Ahsoka becoming an Inquisitor, but her becoming the *Grand* Inquisitor never even occurred to me. And having her as an undercover Imperial agent in the Rebel Alliance and an intentionally corruptive influence to Ezra (which would inevitably desensitize him and perhaps unwittingly prepare him for Maul's more openly Sith-like teaching methods down the line) are *really* cool ideas! I also weirdly like the idea of the Rebel Alliance having a base on Dathomir and utilizing Dathomiri witch magic, lol. And of course, having Maul as an actual part of the Rebel Alliance would be absolutely dope. If you ever turn this into a fully fleshed out story, I will read the hell out of it!
@@imyouralibi6208 I have no plans for that just yet, but I made this AU to explain certain things in the OT and the EU. -Why Ahsoka doesn't appear in the OT despite being a major Jedi figure who could've taught Luke. -Why Vader doesn't give a damn about Starkiller and is willing to write him off. -Why Vader is choking rebels with his own hands at the start of ANH. -Why the Rebels in ANH are desperate and struggling. -Why the Imperial Senate does nothing to curtail the power of the Emperor. Basically, Ahsoka's death drives Vader to be more ruthless, Ahsoka's efforts to sabotage the Rebellion led to the Rebels weakening, and all the times she led the Rebels to inflict significant damage upon the Empire has led the Imperial Senate to give what little remains of their power to the Emperor. It's also why, when Starkiller says ''You never planned to destroy the Emperor'', Vader's answer is ''Not with you, no.'' Because he already has an apprentice he cares deeply for, so someone like Starkiller is just not that important to him.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on Star Wars: Republic #54 "Double Blind". It's about Quinlan Vos running from the law because he's been set up for betraying the Republic. Similar concept to what TCW tried with Ahsoka and the Temple bombing but without being overly stupid.
Interesting 🤔 I actually noticed that Episode 1 of The Acolyte also has some striking similarities to the TCW arc where Ahsoka was framed, but it likewise did a better job in its execution of the concept, which I appreciated.
The very first Republic storyline, "Prelude to Rebellion", also had a very similar plot, with Ki-Adi-Mundi being the one to run from the law after being wrongfully framed.
@@imyouralibi6208 exactly hell in Rogue One they call Saw a extremist but are wiling to welcome him back if he gives up the spy by that point Rebels are like we are on the verge of galactic war again we need everyone we can get even an extremist like Saw
@@imyouralibi6208 In Rebels, one of the earlier episodes have the good guys bomb a TIE-Fighter in an Imperial parade in the middle of the city. It's not a rescue mission, they're not in danger if they don't do it...they just bomb a public area.
The reason Ahsoka survived order 66 was from not just from her training from Anakin in tales of the Jedi, there is a bit more depth to it. Ahsoka was defending against herself against the exact clones who she trained with, she knows them and can specifically sense their actions so it allowed her to have a slightly better chance than if it was some other clones. She makes use of 2 lightsabers, she can deflect more. Also, I don’t know if this is a significantly contributing factor, but lots of the Jedi shown in order 66 were in the middle of battles or missions meaning they could have been fatigued and that combined with the completely unexpected betrayal of their own soldiers led to their deaths. Ahsoka got a very clear heads up that she was about to get shot at and training with them personally meant she could sense their movements more accurately. I think I just repeated a point but oh well. Anyways I don’t think this channel really cares about others opinions on Ahsoka since a large portion of the channel is “Ahsoka is a Mary sue” so this explanation probably won’t change their biased opinion but I will continue to defend my favourite characters 😊
It doesn't really matter if Ahsoka is familiar with these clones or not. She shouldn't be able to defend almost singlehandedly against an entire cruiser full of clones, especially when: a) she's handicapped herself (and Rex) by insisting they can't kill any of the clones b) she has been out of practice in combat training for at least several months (if not a year) since leaving the Jedi Order And I don't appreciate you labelling our perspective on Ahsoka as "biased" when we've spent years thoroughly analyzing her character (not to mention, I used to be a fan of Ahsoka). I am always open to debating, so I take no issue with you wanting to defend a character you enjoy. But I'd rather you didn't try to so quickly discredit our work by calling it "biased."
@@imyouralibi6208 right, sorry for calling you biased everyone is entitled to an opinion. Personally, I think there is good evidence for her survival, you do raise some valid points. Agree to disagree?
@@tomwilkinson1247 Fair enough 👍 Though I'm interested to hear what you might have to say once you've seen Part 2 of the "Identifying a Mary Sue" series (assuming you haven't already and are still planning on watching it).
@@imyouralibi6208 I’m only like 15 minutes in but I’ve already got loads to say so sorry in advance for my extended yapping, ok here we go So I haven’t watched most of the show in ages so my memory isn’t exactly fresh but I do agree with a lot of your points. In the first 15 mins I agree or can’t comment because I don’t remember enough on all of your points that I don’t mention in the following sections. S2 e3 inconsistent skill level When Ahsoka is easily knocked over by Cad Bane I believe this was a different circumstance to the scene this is compared this to which was when Ahsoka bested him the episode before since she was in a moment of shock and was understandably caught off guard. This seems to be more abt her understanding transitioning to her reaction compared to her combat abilities. So I’d say she was beaten because she was unable to react in time, granted it is a bit weird how she was so slow to react after connecting the dots. But I’d say this is different to facing a combatant head on and understanding the situation so I don’t think these scenes can be compared in this way, though her slow reaction time is something I’d say would support your argument just maybe not for this point. S5 E5 Regarding Ahsoka’s inconsistent skill level Ahsoka uses the force to pull up lux from falling. Saving Steela is depicted as being more of a struggle and results in her dropping her after Ahsoka gets shot in the shoulder. Though I can’t find it explicitly mentioned I, and others believe the force can strain/tire the user depending on skill and the thing they are doing, it could also be Ahsoka’s jealousy towards Steela, maybe she is jealous of her closeness to Lux causing her to hesitate and question her actions. I doubt these were the case though. I think it’s more likely the scene was exaggerated for cinematic effect by cutting between shots to make it seem slower and more tense and easier to understand when she got shot. If the camera stayed on Ahsoka I think it would be easier to see less of a struggle for her and less inconsistency in her force ability. S5 E18 Ahsoka running from anakin and clones isn’t logical I feel like it is established that if Ahsoka turns herself in all the evidence will be stacked against her resulting in extreme consequences such as the death penalty (though these specific charges are mentioned later Ahsoka probably knew them). From my perspective, Ahsoka can either turn herself in and die, or escape racking up some more evidence against her and have a chance at proving her innocence and disprove all previous evidence. The logic here points to escaping as the better option. You could say that if she didn’t run and went with anakin that he would go out to help her, how I don’t think there were any leads he could follow, ventures wouldn’t be involved and barriss wouldn’t need to take her lightsabers so nothing could incriminate barriss meaning Ahsoka would be guilty anyway (at least that’s how I see it). S2 e2 Ahsoka tosses Cad Bane around like a ragdoll Ahsoka is seen basically snapping his arm, this would likely be extremely painful and weaken his ability to fight back. He bends over in pain into a position that would put his centre of mass forward past his feet making him much easier to flip or knock over since his weight would then be shifted to be on and controlled by Ahsoka (I hope the physics here makes sense/is correct but I can’t be sure). However the way she flips him would still require significant strength which could be acquired through the force but the strength needed is not as far fetched as you made it out to be (in my opinion). But, I do agree with you that the portrayal of using the force to increase strength is not clear and inconsistent across the series. S4 e11 fighting the zygerian slaver I think her victory makes sense since it’s not a battle of raw strength but rather skill with lightsaber combat which I think would obviously go to Ahsoka since she’s trained in combat using them for basically her entire life. Also characters such as yoda have been proficient in combat against larger opponents so in combat with weapons I’d say skill is much more important compared to size so Ahsoka could justifiably win since she is likely much more skilled. Sorry that was A LOT I just realised how much information u fit into your videos and I must say it’s very impressive. If you have any opinions on these I’d be happy to talk more or if there was another point you’d like me to talk on I can. 😉
The fact that Ahsoka just lets Maul loose and tells him to piss off and cause a mess goes to show that she doesn't give a damn about the lives of her men. What she should've done is form a legitimate partnership with Maul, rescue Rex, have Rex help them hack into the clones' comm channel, and then have her and Maul do a combined mind trick to put the clones on the ship into a deep sleep. They can then have the Astromech droids go around scooping up the clones and sending them to the med lab to remove all their inhibitor chips. Then Ahsoka would have a whole legion of men to take Sidious on with, plus a former Sith who knows Sidious by heart. Then they'd actually have a chance, especially if they link up with Kenobi and Yoda. They could've overthrown Sidious within a day and prevented all that darkness upon the galaxy.
That would've been SO AWESOME! Yeah, I really couldn't help wondering that if Ahsoka supposedly cared so much about the clones, why didn't she bother trying to remove literally *anyone* else's chip?? It's like M.E. said, Ahsoka just wanted her pet and that's it.
You don't even know what surface-level means. This is probably the most in-depth argument on this awful arc in TCW I've ever heard. All the "Siege of Mandalore is Great" arguments ARE surface-level, they do not discuss deeper issues, pretending they don't even exist, they never bring up how Maul even has visions of Anakin (who he met once, as a child) If anyone's ignorant, it's you, for failing to understand such an in-depth analysis that you call it a "surface-level take"
No, it´s a very good take. Riled Up´s video analyzing what a garbage character and person Bo-Karen is are also very good analysis of Failoni´s bad writing and pathological obsession with his Mary Sue self-inserts.
19:06 So, this is after Sidious got his face scarred - why does he look the exact same?
The real reason why A*soka also fell under Order 66.
“Only I have the right to abuse Anakin!”
©Probably Palpatine
She gaslights the droids into helping her, and gets them all destroyed.
Yep. She doesn't care in the slightest that they get left behind and destroyed because of her.
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Not to mention those droids were put on the ship to aid the clones. They turned traitors very quickly.
Curious if the droids would have joined the separatists also if boarded. Maybe a B1 battle droid could ask them nicely to switch sides. It worked for Ashoka.
You mean to tell me that they had stun guns, and their only purpose was to postpone the clones' deaths?
No one thought to use the stun guns to, oh, idk STUN THE CLONES TO GET THEIR INHIBITOR CHIPS OUT while they're unconscious?
What we got makes it look like Ahsoka only wanted a plot device to save HER skin, rather than her wanting to save the skin of others. She's such a self-centered brat.
For real, it makes me so mad that she didn't even TRY to remove the chips from any of the other clones. Like yeah, Filoni, you're reeeaaaally convincing me that she cares about ALL the clones 🙄
@@imyouralibi6208 ADD to that: They were stunned OUTSIDE THE MEDBAY! It would take a few seconds to get them in there and fixed up even before Maul cripples the ship. WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?!
@@ECSOrder66 I think because they needed to escape, it’s much easier when you have a smaller group to sneak off a ship, there were hundreds of other clones that could easily shoot down the ones they saved, Rex and Ahsoka were the most skilled and so it made most sense to escape by themselves as quickly as possible
Actually, I agree with Ahsoka when she said: "The Republic couldn't have asked for a better army than the clones". I mean, just take a look at what other armies the Star Wars Galaxies have to offer.
The Stormtroopers and the Droids are both incompetent comic relief.
The Alliance to restore the Republic, while very respectable in the EU, is a disorganized mess of people who can't agree on anything in the new canon, and they only seem to get anything done when the main characters disobey the orders of their superiors. They topple the empire only for a more powerful empire to rise in its place and wipe them out in literally a single blast.
And don't even get me started on the clown factions in the sequels.
Fair point, lol
@@imyouralibi6208 No offence to your sister, but I really urge her to watch some of the CIS Droid's finest moments in the show and reconsider if she still stands by her quote "Should have gotten droids". Most of the time they're onscreen, the B1s are getting their rear models kicked by clones, anyways.
One thing I want to add: Why does Rex know Sidious‘ name?
Either the information is included on the inhibitorchip and every clone has that information once the chip activates … Which would seem like a massive unnecessary risk for Palpatine in the first place.
Or … based on the information he has, Rex figured out that Palpatine is Sidious. (He could‘ve figured it out, it not completely unreasonable.) But if that ist the case: Wie doesn‘t Sidious order all the other clones to kill Rex as well, because Rex therefore knows way too much.
Oh, wow, great point!
I believe this is because in s7 e10 Ahsoka, obi wan, bo katan and Rex are speaking and they are talking about sidious and how he orchestrated the clone wars, he probably figured it out from there
@@tomwilkinson1247 Even if we believe that: Then why would Rex tell Sidious that he knows about his secret? If I were Sidious in that situation, I‘d order all the troopers to kill Rex as well, because he then therfore knows too much.
As a fan of the prequels I am offended that Filoni fans say that this makes the prequels better and wish we saw more of Order 66 from other people other than Ashoka
Agreed 👏
Play the classic Battlefront 2 and the Revenge of the Sith video game. Their Order 66 levels are some class-A stuff.
It's funny how when Lucas did the movies, and it wasn't his intention to make the council idiots, they were naturally idiots, but in TCW, when they are written to be purposefully "unlikable" because they oppose Ahsoka at every opportunity, Filoni inadvertedly makes them more reaosnable than in the movies and makes me low key defend them after seeing them get so much unwarranted shit from their actions in the show.
I wouldn't say they're "idiots" in the movies, just misguided. But I absolutely agree on how Filoni inadvertently makes the Jedi appear far more reasonable/likeable than he intended.
@@imyouralibi6208 Yeah, although by "idiots" i don't mean they are corrupt or arrogant like what Filoni tries to potray, but they seem too blind to obvious signs that some things are wrong and not the way they want it to go (Anakin's being on the verge of turning dark and constantly lying to them, the clone army and Jango Fett being 100% suspicious) more of a practical critique than a moral one like what TCW tries to go for.
TCW tries to "correct" that mistake of the Jedi being too oblivious but by making Yoda and the council KNOWINGLY work besides a clone army that is a Sith plot without doing anything about it, which is just illogical.
@@prometheusmodelow8322 Oh yeah, they definitely were prone to overlooking/mishandling things, though that is in large part to Sidious meddling/clouding their vision with the dark side.
But I agree that the Jedi in TCW just act so moronic that they really have no excuse. It's infuriating.
Ahwoka learnt from the best sociopathic gaslighter, sisterslayer by proxy and liar in the galaxy Boo-Karen. :D
This is a rare moment wen Failoni threw Ahwoka under the bus to make his other fanfic Mary Sue look better.
I suppose Ashoka delay in sensing to what is happening ties into how the hell do none of the Jedi around the Galaxy sense they only sense at the last second
We all know that Ahsoka can do no wrong. You see, she didn't kill the clones under her, Maul did which she released.
And don’t forget, she didn’t know he would be evil, so it’s not her fault
I have mixed feelings aon Order 66 applying to Maul.
On one hand, I see that as a trained force-user who is against Sidious, Maul poses the same threat to the Empire that a Jedi would (Sid even considers him dangerous enough to deal with himself in TCW), but as Order 66 was meant to apply to Jedi generals betraying the Republic, and Maul neither holds the rank of Jedi general, nor can he betray a Republic he was never part of.
I guess it's possible that the order just came seperately in Sidious' briefling. ("Kill Maul, also execute Order 66") or that the Republic was going to have him executed anyways.
As for why Vader wasn't targeted by Order 66, I'm sure that Palpatine gave clear instructions to the clones that Anakin is exempt from Order 66.
"I guess it's possible that the order just came seperately in Sidious' briefling"
I did think of that but I feel it's one of those things that *should* have been clarified.
It just makes no sense as to why Palpatine would mark Ahsoka for death. Ahsoka is Anakin's beloved padawan, his baby sister in a way. Palpatine needs to keep Anakin happy because Anakin is stronger in the Force pre-Mustafar. Imagine if Anakin won on Mustafar and found out that Palpatine killed his former pupil. You'd get the same result as the alternate ending to Revenge of the Sith in the video game tie-in where Anakin plunges a saber in Sidious' gut and declares himself Emperor.
Darth Sidious, the man known to the rest of the galaxy as “Chancellor Palpatine,” was always depicted as a mad genius. Ever since his appearance in Return of the Jedi, Sidious was always one step ahead in the game. He rarely makes mistakes, and almost everyone is caught in his web: the Jedi, the Clones, the Separatists and their droids, Count Dooku, and Anakin Skywalker. Even the Rebel Alliance walked into his trap lock, stock, and barrel, over Endor. The Rebel Alliance is portrayed to be the best of the Empire without their negative aspects, from soldiers, pilots, senators, generals and admirals who left the Empire due to its evil and formed their own army to fight it. And yet even they fell into the same traps that everyone else fell in decades ago, just to show how brilliant and clairvoyant Sidious is.
But here, Sidious is acting like a fool. He’s committing actions that would realistically get him killed by Anakin. This is especially since Anakin is fretting over losing loved ones in Episode III, and this whole arc was concurrent with Episode III. The moment Anakin wakes up as he is encased in the iconic armor of Darth Vader, and after he’s had his bout of despair about Padme’s death, he’d turn and ask Palpatine about Ahsoka. Palpatine would then have three choices: A) lie and say Ahsoka got killed by Maul, B) lie and say Ahsoka turned traitor, or C) tell Vader the truth and say he triggered Order 66 on her. The first choice might be the most prudent, but what would happen if the clones succeeded and got back to Coruscant? Rex would tell Vader the truth and Vader would try to kill Sidious.
Heck, Vader could find out the truth if he searched around the crashed ship Ahsoka was on and find out from its records that the clones tried to kill her, which means that he’ll discover Sidious’ attempts to kill his beloved student, which would turn Vader against Sidious, and if Sidious doesn’t kill Vader, Vader will kill him. The second choice wouldn’t work, since Anakin knows Ahsoka would never do that, and that would again, turn Vader against Sidious. The third choice would lead to Vader killing Sidious or at least trying to, which would rob Sidious of a powerful apprentice since there are few as powerful as Vader in his time.
For real, there's literally no reason for it. Ahsoka wasn't a Jedi, nor was she a threat. Sidious could've let her come back to Coruscant and let Anakin deal with her while he dealt with Maul. I swear, this show is so dumb 💀
@@imyouralibi6208 Hell, this is what I would've done with Ahsoka's story to explain her absence in the OT and why Vader hates the Rebels so much.
Since Lucas wanted Ahsoka dead by the end of the Clone Wars, one cool way to kill off Ahsoka would be to have her fall to the Dark Side and join Vader in darkness. That way, technically, the Jedi who was once Ahsoka Tano dies, and a dark avenger takes her place. Have her come back from Mandalore as a conquering heroine, with Darth Maul and some of his Mandalorians in chains, but by the time she makes it back, Coruscant has changed. The Republic is transitioning into the Empire. And as her star destroyer parks in Coruscant’s landing bays, she also spots a small black shuttle from the bridge of her ship, and she senses that Anakin is aboard that shuttle. When her ship lands, Ahsoka, Rex, and their honor guard are then met by other members of the 501st Legion who give her an update on recent events, on the Jedi Rebellion, Anakin’s promotion as Lord Vader, and what happened to him. Ahsoka asks to see Anakin, and the 501st soldiers take her to the medical station where Sidious is having Vader treated after his disastrous battle with Kenobi.
Ahsoka makes it to the room where Vader is being treated by the droids, and it is here where she meets Darth Sidious. Ahsoka is distraught over what happened to Anakin, looking at him through a glass window, but she is not allowed to be with him as the droids were busy rebuilding him. When Ahsoka finds Palpatine, she asks the Sith Lord “WHO DID THIS TO HIM!?” while pointing at the disfigured Anakin. Palpatine then informs Ahsoka of the events of Order 66 from his point of view: the Jedi tried to rebel and kill off Palpatine, Anakin remained loyal and saved him from Mace Windu and the Jedi Council, Anakin defeated the Jedi insurgents in the Jedi Temple, and after he eradicated the Separatist leaders in Mustafar, Kenobi ambushed him and nearly killed him.
Knowing that Ahsoka resented the Jedi for abandoning her, and that her love for Anakin outweighs any lingering loyalty she has to the Jedi way, it doesn’t take long for Sidious to manipulate Ahsoka into believing the Jedi were evil. As Anakin’s screams interrupt their talk, Sidious notes how Anakin’s own Jedi mentor did this to him, which then causes the young Ahsoka to vow revenge against the Jedi. Sidious then dispatches her to secure the Jedi Temple and make sure no Jedi come back to scout out their old home.
After Darth Vader emerges from his surgery, Palpatine sends him to the Jedi Temple, where Ahsoka was waiting in the Jedi Council chambers. Ahsoka senses who the masked warrior in black armor is, and the two of them share a tearful hug. Vader tells Ahsoka that he lost damn near everything-Padme was dead, Kenobi betrayed him, he lost the power he once had, he lost everything-except for Ahsoka. Ahsoka promises Vader that she would never leave him, and Vader accepts it as an oath of loyalty. Later, after Vader and Palpatine took their first look at the Death Star construction process, Vader and Palpatine go to the Jedi Temple, and it is there Ahsoka is anointed as the Grand Inquisitor for the Imperial Inquisition-tasked to kill renegade Jedi. Vader and Palpatine then have her train several captured Jedi Younglings into becoming the new Inquisitors.
Cut to several years later during Star Wars Rebels, and Ahsoka and Captain Rex still sign on with the Rebels, and Ahsoka assumes the title of Fulcrum. On the surface, she and Rex are there because she’s a Jedi remnant who is helping the cause. But in reality, they’re deep-cover Imperial agents who are there because the Imperial Senate found the courage to defy the Emperor on certain legislation, specifically, his moves to increase the size of the military. They began to remind Palpatine that they supported his rise as Emperor so that he can fix their problems-they didn’t make him Emperor so that he can take their wealth to fund his own private army. The Senate makes a stand, telling Palpatine that he is a constitutional monarch who has to rule under the limits of their new constitution, otherwise, they can easily depose him and vote in a new ruler if he oversteps his bounds.
Sidious was livid with anger at the defiance his senators showed him, but unless he wanted to be overthrown, he had to respect their power. In a peacetime environment, having an absolute ruler with a large army becomes somewhat unpopular, especially when it’s really expensive to maintain large fleets of Star Destroyers and trillions upon trillions of Stormtroopers. The Emperor does what he can to increase the military’s size, but with popular senators like Bail Organa blocking him at every turn, he and Vader had to resort to other options. Knowing that Bail Organa and the others had been secretly funding a rebel movement against the Empire, with some covert support from Order 66 Jedi survivors, Vader concocted a plan to make the Rebels threatening enough so they can use the dissident senators’ own rebel movement against them, turning it into a threat that can justify a massive military response.
Ahsoka’s goal on paper is to aid the Jedi and the Rebels, but in reality, her goal is to make the Rebel Alliance be enough of a threat to the point where the Imperial Senate would pass legislation to support the Emperor’s efforts to increase the size of the military. Her secondary goal is to recruit as many Jedi survivors into the Rebel Alliance, so that once the Empire finally deals with the Alliance, they can also kill as many Jedi survivors as they can with one blow. In essence, Ahsoka would have the same role that Count Dooku and the clones played during the Clone Wars: organize opposition against the state so as to allow Palpatine to increase the state’s power, while playing the role of a false ally for the Jedi to work with, only so she can turn around and kill them all.
As a Jedi, Ahsoka projects a sense of hope and strength for survivors of Order 66 and the Rebels. As a deep-cover operative, no Imperial save for the Emperor and a few others know of her true allegiance, and she was given clearance to kill as many Imperials as needed to make the plan work. As a battle commander, the strategies that she and Rex push through are efficient, effective ways to defeat the Empire, but they cause a lot of collateral damage along the way. While Bail and the others are iffy on her methods, they get the results, so the Alliance leaders continue to support her and give her lots of power to lead. It is here where the Rebels’ Ghost crew, Ezra, Kanan, Sabine, Hera, Zeb, and Chopper come across her, and she works with them. Ahsoka teaches Ezra to be more aggressive with the Force, leading to some suspicions from Kanan. Ezra’s use of the Force begins to incur more Imperial casualties as time goes on, giving the Empire’s media some juicy bits to use concerning the terrors of “Jedi traitors” and their scary powers.
Ahsoka and Rex’s tactics give the Rebels victory, but they do cause some collateral civilian damage, although unlike Saw Guerrera, Ahsoka and Rex avoid extremist rhetoric, keeping them on the good graces of the Alliance leadership. However, the increased number of Alliance operations that lead to collateral damage actually does its work in slowly tipping the Imperial Senate into supporting more powers for the Emperor and a larger military, as the Imperial media always makes note of rebel attacks that end with the deaths of bystanders, children, and other civilians who were just doing their duty.
Eventually, Maul enters the group, with him and his Mandalorians having escaped Sidious again. You can even have them meet the same way they met in the Malachor-esque planet, but Maul doesn't betray the gang. Instead, Ahsoka "sacrifices" herself to stop Vader's advance while Maul and the others get away. Once they're gone, Ahsoka personally reports to Vader everything that has happened, then Vader tells her to keep doing what she was doing.
To sell the deception, Vader has Ahsoka imprisoned tortured in a fortress owned and operated by the Imperial Inquisition-a prison designed to torture and break Jedi. Vader allows rumors of Ahsoka's survival to leak to the Alliance, and sure enough, Ezra, Kanan, and Maul get to the prison and see Ahsoka getting tortured while strapped down to a machine wearing a slave costume, while her torment is being supervised by Force Unleashed-style Purge Trooper droids designed to kill Jedi. The good guys rescue her, not knowing that all the torture there was just a sham and Ahsoka was already trained by Vader to withstand ridiculous amounts of pain through the Dark Side.
When she gets back to the Rebels, Ahsoka doesn’t approve of Maul coming in, but Maul made a decent case with the Alliance, especially since he is a Sith Lord, which could be useful when fighting other Sith like Darth Vader. Plus, Maul and his contacts among the Mandalorians and the crime families kept the Alliance well-funded and supported, with crime families providing funds and spies, as well as Mandalorians undertaking covert operations and fire support missions. Maul allows for his own homeworld of Dathomir to be used as a staging ground for the Alliance, and remnants of both the Nightsisters and the Zabrak Nightbrothers clan join the Rebel Alliance. Maul teaches Ezra better lightsaber forms and some Sith techniques, to Kanan’s disapproval, but the Alliance’s support for Maul keeps him off the hook. With Maul’s support, the Rebels become even more powerful, although Maul’s forces do tend to cause collateral damage, so the Rebels make sure not to use him unless they need someone with his particular penchant for brutality.
@@imyouralibi6208 It then comes to a head when the Rebellion faces Grand Admiral Thrawn. Thrawn locates the rebel fortress on Dathomir, and he lays siege to it. By this time, the Alliance has attracted dozens of Jedi survivors into its ranks and has scored several impressive victories. The Imperial Senate has given more and more power away to the Emperor, especially after a rebel attack led to an accident that causes a few million deaths on a space station that crashed into a populated world. Now the Emperor has the clearance from the Imperial Senate to spend as much as he needs to on the military, and the Alliance has outlived its usefulness.
Thrawn defeats a large Mon Calamari armada in space, so the rebels activate a powerful planetary shield that covered the planet and kept it safe from bombardment, and their high-powered surface-to-space turbolasers keep Thrawn’s forces at bay, forcing the Star Destroyers to spend all their power to keep their shields up lest the planetary guns shred the Star Destroyers into bits. And while the Jedi disapprove of it, Maul gets the clearance from Rebel High Command to use Dathomiri witch magic to attack Thrawn the same way Mother Talzin attacked Count Dooku in the Clone Wars.
In the past, Maul had one of his spies steal a lock of Thrawn’s hair as the latter went to a famous barber shop in an Imperial-controlled world, and his voodoo spell now assaults the Grand Admiral in the center of his own flagship, the Admonitor. Maul appears through a projection, warning the Imperials to leave Dathomir. Thrawn’s assistants, Governor Pryce and Admiral Konstantin, turn to Vader for help, and Vader’s response is to go to his inner sanctum and commune with Ahsoka through the Force. With many Alliance leaders gathered in one spot, along with many Jedi survivors of Order 66, now is the time to wipe them all out. Ahsoka gets the message and relays it to Rex, who then alerts his own men (fake defectors from the 501st Legion) about what they’re going to do.
Prior to the battle, Rex and his 501st operatives secured a sizeable shipment of Super Battle Droids from a defunct Separatist base that they have reprogrammed to serve the Alliance. But in reality, they serve Rex and Ahsoka, and once the signal is given, Ahsoka turns on the rebel leaders in their headquarters, massacring many leading Alliance generals and killing several Jedi survivors, while Rex, his fellow clones, and the Super Battle Droids start wreaking havoc on the Rebel base. With the Rebels mostly focused on the space battle and defending from any Imperials, the attack from within caught the Rebels by surprise, and the Super Battle Droids succeed in using their wrist rockets to destroy several power conduits that connected the planetary shield with the power generator. This destroys the shields which allow the Star Destroyers to perform surgical strikes against the planet’s defenses, and it also causes enough of a ruckus to disrupt Maul’s spell which saves Thrawn from death.
Ezra, Kanan, and Maul fight Ahsoka as the latter stands over the bodies of dozens of dead Jedi and rebels. Kanan calls out Ahsoka for betraying the Jedi, but then Ahsoka responds by saying that the Jedi know nothing of loyalty, and her loyalty was to the Jedi who stood by her until end, not the Jedi who condemned her and abandoned her. When Kanan asks which Jedi was that, Ahsoka points to an Imperial shuttle landing on Dathomir with several Imperial transports-Darth Vader has arrived. Ahsoka presses her attack, which leads to Kanan’s death. Ezra, Maul, and what’s left of Kanan’s crew have no choice but to watch as their friends get slaughtered by Ahsoka and Thrawn’s forces as they flee aboard their ship, the Ghost. Vader leads the Imperials to victory against the remaining rebel forces and Jedi, and he reunites with his apprentice.
Ahsoka returns to Coruscant as a conquering heroine, finally revealed as the Grand Inquisitor and a servant of the Empire. The once-mighty Rebellion is reduced to a shadow of its former self (setting the stage for how scattered the Rebel Alliance was at the start of the original trilogy) and dozens of Jedi have been slain. Ahsoka and Vader have their triumph in Coruscant, where they lead thousands of captured rebels and Dathomiri through the streets of the Imperial City, with some being sold off as slaves, while captured Rebel leaders are strangled by Vader in front of cheering crowds of Imperials.
However, within the celebration, Ezra, the remaining Ghost Crew, and Maul are plotting their chance to strike down Vader, the Emperor, and Ahsoka Tano. With Maul’s Mandalorians and crime syndicate troops brainwashed by Maul having infiltrated the crowds, they detonate a dirty bomb that leads to mass panic among the crowds, and Maul’s henchmen attack the Imperial troops, while Ezra, Maul, and Sabine make a beeline towards the Imperial leadership, as Vader gets the Emperor to safety while Ahsoka stands guard to delay any attackers. Ezra and Ahsoka lock sabers, with Ezra being bitter about Ahsoka’s betrayal.
When Ezra tells Ahsoka that she was a cold-blooded monster due to her betrayal of the Jedi and the Rebels, Ahsoka responds with “good soldiers follow orders” and her true loyalty was to the Jedi she loved. Ezra, having lost his mentor and his family to the Empire, balks back at Ahsoka, saying the Empire took away almost everyone he loved. He gives in to the Dark Side, and unloads on Ahsoka everything he learned from Maul. Ahsoka was impressed at Ezra’s strength, stating that it was a shame he was their enemy, for he could have made a great inquisitor. But as she counters and strikes back, Maul appears and kills her. This sends Vader flying into a rage.
Vader abandons the Emperor’s side and speeds towards Maul with the Force, blasting through debris and Maul’s forces. Maul and Ezra then fight Vader. Maul took Qui-Gon Jinn and Ahsoka Tano from him, so he was fighting at full power, and he eventually kills Maul by blasting him clear through with dark energy, leaving nothing but ashes. Ezra realizes the folly of revenge and devotes what’s left of his time and strength to help his friends get off-world. He then sacrifices himself by confronting Darth Vader and dies to Vader’s blade as the Ghost crew and what’s left of Maul’s crew leave Coruscant.
Vader then goes over to Ahsoka, who is now dying. Palpatine tried to use his knowledge of the Dark Side to save her, but to no avail, as he was not as strong as Darth Plagueis. Ahsoka confesses her love for Anakin, and how fortunate it was, that he would be with her in her last moments. As the last gasp of life leaves Ahsoka’s body, Vader screams in despair, and vows to hunt the Rebel Alliance down to the last man, setting the stage for the ruthless man we see killing rebels in A New Hope. Maul’s attack shatters any illusions for peace in the minds of the Imperial Senate, who then finally give Palpatine near-absolute control of the state, as well as the power to prosecute any senator suspected of treason.
There. My explanation as to why Ahsoka is KIA by the time of the OT, and why Vader hates the Rebels with the fiery intensity of a million Foreman grills.
@@HolyknightVader999 Awesome rewrite! I'd always liked the idea of Ahsoka becoming an Inquisitor, but her becoming the *Grand* Inquisitor never even occurred to me. And having her as an undercover Imperial agent in the Rebel Alliance and an intentionally corruptive influence to Ezra (which would inevitably desensitize him and perhaps unwittingly prepare him for Maul's more openly Sith-like teaching methods down the line) are *really* cool ideas! I also weirdly like the idea of the Rebel Alliance having a base on Dathomir and utilizing Dathomiri witch magic, lol. And of course, having Maul as an actual part of the Rebel Alliance would be absolutely dope. If you ever turn this into a fully fleshed out story, I will read the hell out of it!
@@imyouralibi6208 I have no plans for that just yet, but I made this AU to explain certain things in the OT and the EU.
-Why Ahsoka doesn't appear in the OT despite being a major Jedi figure who could've taught Luke.
-Why Vader doesn't give a damn about Starkiller and is willing to write him off.
-Why Vader is choking rebels with his own hands at the start of ANH.
-Why the Rebels in ANH are desperate and struggling.
-Why the Imperial Senate does nothing to curtail the power of the Emperor.
Basically, Ahsoka's death drives Vader to be more ruthless, Ahsoka's efforts to sabotage the Rebellion led to the Rebels weakening, and all the times she led the Rebels to inflict significant damage upon the Empire has led the Imperial Senate to give what little remains of their power to the Emperor. It's also why, when Starkiller says ''You never planned to destroy the Emperor'', Vader's answer is ''Not with you, no.'' Because he already has an apprentice he cares deeply for, so someone like Starkiller is just not that important to him.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on Star Wars: Republic #54 "Double Blind". It's about Quinlan Vos running from the law because he's been set up for betraying the Republic. Similar concept to what TCW tried with Ahsoka and the Temple bombing but without being overly stupid.
Interesting 🤔
I actually noticed that Episode 1 of The Acolyte also has some striking similarities to the TCW arc where Ahsoka was framed, but it likewise did a better job in its execution of the concept, which I appreciated.
The very first Republic storyline, "Prelude to Rebellion", also had a very similar plot, with Ki-Adi-Mundi being the one to run from the law after being wrongfully framed.
@@auditect950 Well, Ki's not really running. He's been cleared thanks to dna analysis of his saber showing someone else used it.
@@FierceDIO Yeah, that is true.
@@imyouralibi6208 Wait you're actually watching the Acolyte? Figured you'd stay as far away from that as possible after one look at the trailer lol
They basically justified Terrorists In the Clone Wars by saying Bo Katan is a good person
Even though she joined Deathwatch because she was pissed the Mandalorians were going to allow non-humans to join their ranks
Even before the 180 degree turn in Bo's character, they had the Onderon arc, which also basically okayed terrorism. It's mega yikes.
@@imyouralibi6208 exactly hell in Rogue One they call Saw a extremist but are wiling to welcome him back if he gives up the spy by that point Rebels are like we are on the verge of galactic war again we need everyone we can get even an extremist like Saw
@@imyouralibi6208 In Rebels, one of the earlier episodes have the good guys bomb a TIE-Fighter in an Imperial parade in the middle of the city.
It's not a rescue mission, they're not in danger if they don't do it...they just bomb a public area.
@@auditect950 Oof, yeeeaaaah, totally not terrorist behavior, cough cough 😬
At this point, you should definitely re-watch the Prequels, just to see how GOOD, this show, fits in between 😂
Lolololol 😂
The reason Ahsoka survived order 66 was from not just from her training from Anakin in tales of the Jedi, there is a bit more depth to it. Ahsoka was defending against herself against the exact clones who she trained with, she knows them and can specifically sense their actions so it allowed her to have a slightly better chance than if it was some other clones. She makes use of 2 lightsabers, she can deflect more. Also, I don’t know if this is a significantly contributing factor, but lots of the Jedi shown in order 66 were in the middle of battles or missions meaning they could have been fatigued and that combined with the completely unexpected betrayal of their own soldiers led to their deaths. Ahsoka got a very clear heads up that she was about to get shot at and training with them personally meant she could sense their movements more accurately. I think I just repeated a point but oh well. Anyways I don’t think this channel really cares about others opinions on Ahsoka since a large portion of the channel is “Ahsoka is a Mary sue” so this explanation probably won’t change their biased opinion but I will continue to defend my favourite characters 😊
It doesn't really matter if Ahsoka is familiar with these clones or not. She shouldn't be able to defend almost singlehandedly against an entire cruiser full of clones, especially when:
a) she's handicapped herself (and Rex) by insisting they can't kill any of the clones
b) she has been out of practice in combat training for at least several months (if not a year) since leaving the Jedi Order
And I don't appreciate you labelling our perspective on Ahsoka as "biased" when we've spent years thoroughly analyzing her character (not to mention, I used to be a fan of Ahsoka).
I am always open to debating, so I take no issue with you wanting to defend a character you enjoy. But I'd rather you didn't try to so quickly discredit our work by calling it "biased."
@@imyouralibi6208 right, sorry for calling you biased everyone is entitled to an opinion. Personally, I think there is good evidence for her survival, you do raise some valid points. Agree to disagree?
@@tomwilkinson1247 Fair enough 👍
Though I'm interested to hear what you might have to say once you've seen Part 2 of the "Identifying a Mary Sue" series (assuming you haven't already and are still planning on watching it).
@@imyouralibi6208 ok I’ll give it a watch
@@imyouralibi6208 I’m only like 15 minutes in but I’ve already got loads to say so sorry in advance for my extended yapping, ok here we go
So I haven’t watched most of the show in ages so my memory isn’t exactly fresh but I do agree with a lot of your points. In the first 15 mins I agree or can’t comment because I don’t remember enough on all of your points that I don’t mention in the following sections.
S2 e3 inconsistent skill level
When Ahsoka is easily knocked over by Cad Bane I believe this was a different circumstance to the scene this is compared this to which was when Ahsoka bested him the episode before since she was in a moment of shock and was understandably caught off guard. This seems to be more abt her understanding transitioning to her reaction compared to her combat abilities. So I’d say she was beaten because she was unable to react in time, granted it is a bit weird how she was so slow to react after connecting the dots. But I’d say this is different to facing a combatant head on and understanding the situation so I don’t think these scenes can be compared in this way, though her slow reaction time is something I’d say would support your argument just maybe not for this point.
S5 E5 Regarding Ahsoka’s inconsistent skill level
Ahsoka uses the force to pull up lux from falling. Saving Steela is depicted as being more of a struggle and results in her dropping her after Ahsoka gets shot in the shoulder. Though I can’t find it explicitly mentioned I, and others believe the force can strain/tire the user depending on skill and the thing they are doing, it could also be Ahsoka’s jealousy towards Steela, maybe she is jealous of her closeness to Lux causing her to hesitate and question her actions. I doubt these were the case though. I think it’s more likely the scene was exaggerated for cinematic effect by cutting between shots to make it seem slower and more tense and easier to understand when she got shot. If the camera stayed on Ahsoka I think it would be easier to see less of a struggle for her and less inconsistency in her force ability.
S5 E18 Ahsoka running from anakin and clones isn’t logical
I feel like it is established that if Ahsoka turns herself in all the evidence will be stacked against her resulting in extreme consequences such as the death penalty (though these specific charges are mentioned later Ahsoka probably knew them). From my perspective, Ahsoka can either turn herself in and die, or escape racking up some more evidence against her and have a chance at proving her innocence and disprove all previous evidence. The logic here points to escaping as the better option. You could say that if she didn’t run and went with anakin that he would go out to help her, how I don’t think there were any leads he could follow, ventures wouldn’t be involved and barriss wouldn’t need to take her lightsabers so nothing could incriminate barriss meaning Ahsoka would be guilty anyway (at least that’s how I see it).
S2 e2 Ahsoka tosses Cad Bane around like a ragdoll
Ahsoka is seen basically snapping his arm, this would likely be extremely painful and weaken his ability to fight back. He bends over in pain into a position that would put his centre of mass forward past his feet making him much easier to flip or knock over since his weight would then be shifted to be on and controlled by Ahsoka (I hope the physics here makes sense/is correct but I can’t be sure). However the way she flips him would still require significant strength which could be acquired through the force but the strength needed is not as far fetched as you made it out to be (in my opinion). But, I do agree with you that the portrayal of using the force to increase strength is not clear and inconsistent across the series.
S4 e11 fighting the zygerian slaver
I think her victory makes sense since it’s not a battle of raw strength but rather skill with lightsaber combat which I think would obviously go to Ahsoka since she’s trained in combat using them for basically her entire life. Also characters such as yoda have been proficient in combat against larger opponents so in combat with weapons I’d say skill is much more important compared to size so Ahsoka could justifiably win since she is likely much more skilled.
Sorry that was A LOT I just realised how much information u fit into your videos and I must say it’s very impressive. If you have any opinions on these I’d be happy to talk more or if there was another point you’d like me to talk on I can. 😉
The fact that Ahsoka just lets Maul loose and tells him to piss off and cause a mess goes to show that she doesn't give a damn about the lives of her men. What she should've done is form a legitimate partnership with Maul, rescue Rex, have Rex help them hack into the clones' comm channel, and then have her and Maul do a combined mind trick to put the clones on the ship into a deep sleep. They can then have the Astromech droids go around scooping up the clones and sending them to the med lab to remove all their inhibitor chips. Then Ahsoka would have a whole legion of men to take Sidious on with, plus a former Sith who knows Sidious by heart. Then they'd actually have a chance, especially if they link up with Kenobi and Yoda. They could've overthrown Sidious within a day and prevented all that darkness upon the galaxy.
That would've been SO AWESOME!
Yeah, I really couldn't help wondering that if Ahsoka supposedly cared so much about the clones, why didn't she bother trying to remove literally *anyone* else's chip?? It's like M.E. said, Ahsoka just wanted her pet and that's it.
Just wait ill u see the acolyte ..
I've been keeping up with it and actually enjoying it, tbh
This is quite possibly the most ignorant surface level take ive ever heard.
You don't even know what surface-level means. This is probably the most in-depth argument on this awful arc in TCW I've ever heard. All the "Siege of Mandalore is Great" arguments ARE surface-level, they do not discuss deeper issues, pretending they don't even exist, they never bring up how Maul even has visions of Anakin (who he met once, as a child)
If anyone's ignorant, it's you, for failing to understand such an in-depth analysis that you call it a "surface-level take"
No, it´s a very good take. Riled Up´s video analyzing what a garbage character and person Bo-Karen is are also very good analysis of Failoni´s bad writing and pathological obsession with his Mary Sue self-inserts.