The most important style of wrestling to learn is folkstyle
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
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Chael has an ability to make u interested in something you never had a care for
No doubt!!!! I could listen to him talk about the same shit over and over for hours lol
When I was 15, I was the Michigan and Ohio State freestyle champ. Tried folksyle for the 1st time (without fully understanding the rules) and lost in the finals to the folkstyle champ. He talked smack and took an L in the fist fight. Doesn't always work but I agree, folkstyle transitions best to mma!
I am interested in Wrestling but I have noticed that when he talks about other topics, John Danaher is similar
@Gene Bone Oh yeah, and Muay Thai is just boxing except you can use kicks and your joints
Tovarisch Karno your right 🙂
The great Dan Hodge in 1956 TRIPLED UP. He pinned his way thru the folkstyle NCAA's, then proceeded to pin his way thru the Greco Olympic Trials AND thru the Freestyle Olympic trials, also. This feat will likely never be duplicated.
This commentary was spot on.
In fact, I personally feel that Folksyle should really be the international wrestling style rather than Greco or Freestyle.
Bullsh*t... If Collegiate wrestling was the best we would've seen americans dominate the Olympics... But russians are the ones that do that.
Folk styles are folk for a reason, they're local to an area. American folk style and freestyle are brothers anyway, their dad is catch wrestling.
Keep doing videos on amateur wrestling please
Chael is absolutely right. Folk style is much better if you want to learn to fight. You have to actually control the other person, especially on the ground.
Travis Kraft bruh I've seen u on Eddie bravo/mma videos for YEARS lol
Troy Yang Travis is a big deal around this scene
Mike Tang around what scene
I prefer Greco for street fighting
Folkstyle for ring
And what's your thoughts on freestyle wrestling?
I noticed this when Romero kept getting double legged by Brunson and he is an Olympic medalist wrestler. Then it after thinking about it I realized he didn't do any NCAA wrestling which is why Askren and Lesner are great at take downs. Cormier although wrestled in the Olympics it seemed like he was better in folkstyle where he only lost to Cael Sanderson
TRUTH... many athletes agree Wrestling ... Varsity High School or College level is one of the hardest Sports you will ever do, grueling physically and mentally taxing even men who have played in the NFL have spoken about how tough wrestling is there is no team helping you it's just you out there one on one looking to BEST the other person with a combination of speed strength and technique
jocko said wrestlers are more likely to pass buds
Literally every other combat sport
Im a simple man. I see Chael P. Sonnen post a video, I click.
Original comment, think of it yourself?
Karl Malone you're welcome. Thanks for reading , commenting, and thumbing. I'll be here all week.
Im a simple man. I cant make this video play.. I go listen to Trump lying to me and wear my maga hat.
The ability that is underestimated the most in folk style is the ability to get up. You know why watching Dominick Cruz, TJ Dillashaw and Cody Garbrant fight each other is awesome? Its because every time one gets a take down the other one gets right back up to their feet. Dominick was a solid college wrestler that has only improved since, Cody was a high school state champion, and TJ wrestled for Cal State Fullerton which is high level. So their wrestling is pretty close to even.
Yeah, but they all weigh the same as a child. They don't don't have that body weight to pin down opponents. Dan Severn and Mark Coleman were both NCAA champions but they didn't constantly get up when 1 was taken down. Difference between having a 135 pound man on you and a 250 plus pound man on you
love how he'll just finish a hard sweaty roll and say 'hey colin, hit record'
George St Pierre is proof that you don't have specialize in either as well. He has been probably the best in mma history with his takedowns & ground control and never wrestled in college.
dlp2600
GSP would get destroyed with escapes, riding time, and back points. GSP is good at takedowns. Not wrestling as a whole.
Alo Oso Where people make the mistake about St Pierre is they say he isn't good at something it's simply not true. Chael himself has said on numerous occasions he was beaten by George when they went up against each other and he was shocked & impressed with him. This is been repeated by Rashad Evans former college champ & Dan Henderson many others. He was offered to wrestle for Canadian national team in Olympics but he couldn't because of his UFC commitments. He trains with the best international wrestlers all the time especially from Russia this is not a secret. Canadian coach is former Russian Olympic Gold Medalist. My point is that he is example that he didn't specialize in one style and became really really good at it.
Gene Bone What's bullshit? I was just saying he is one guy that i know of that didn't wrestle in college and was highly sucessful. He wrestles with Canadian national team all the time was asked to represent the Olympic team but couldn't because of his UFC commitments as champ. His wrestling coach is former wrestling gold medalist from Russia that's how he became so good at it of course he is work alcoholic. It's well documented from many many Wrestlers like former College Champs & international stars like Dan Henderson, Randy Colture, Rashad. Evans, Chael himself, brag how good he is and Evans & Chael they would get beat in workouts by St Pierre.
You can do takedown on me all day. But if I get on top I'm going to turn you and tech you. GSP can take me down, but can he turn me??? I get one takedown on him or a reversal, if I end up on top I'll turn him and tech him.
Alo Oso Ok but that goes for anyone! What makes you think you could do that to GSP because you say so?? That's ridiculous argument and your missing the point. Second your making assumptions that you have no facts about unless you were in the room, which you weren't. No way in hell wrestlers by the dozens has stated on numerous occasions how good he is not with just take downs with grappling period. Bottom, top etc! Your just focus on his takedowns because in UFC that is the highlight reels, just like Chael has stated when he grabs you it's on another level and he was shocked. That's all i need to know.
Folk style teaches you how to ride and control and keep guys down. It also teaches you how to get up quickly and do technical ground control. Folkstyle with some greco is a beast combo for mma.
I agree my off-season greco increased my strength in the standup, but took a month to undo the throws as a response once folk season started.
Example Randy Couture
@@stealthbombsmith7770 Another example Chael Sonnen himself.
Catch wrestling all the way!!!!
Billy Riley would have approved!
Folkstyle is Catch.... without submissions.
@@kallepikku4991 Exactly. Catch is folkstyle WITH submissions. Much better
speak the truth chael.. i wrestled in high school and college and I swear when I started even training jujitsu the explosiveness associated with collegiate wrestling it really helped me with powering into transitions. I can see why it's so useful in MMA its brutal in a fight too most people don't know how to defend a anaconda with fists.I just hope the Olympic keeps wrestling .
Bullsh*t... If Collegiate wrestling was the best we would've seen americans dominate the Olympics... But russians are the ones that do that.
CATCH Wrestling is best an grandfather to folkstyle ..it can defend be counted all other styles ..arm wrench to a Greco clinch Jon Jones did to golver..chokes cranks to freestyle leg shots ..subs off back to a pin or control positions of folkstyle etc
I agree I have tried folk, freestyle and greco-roman. I prefer folkstyle because it's more realistic for fighting.
Freestyle is objectively better for total takedowns, it's crazy how nobody ever mentions this lmao
Shows how good Snyder is
I have very very rudimentary wrestling experience, about 2 years. The vast majority of that experience was in freestyle and Greco-Roman. However, given that limited experience the type of wrestling that has always stuck with me from a fundamental standpoint has been folkstyle. It is the style I use to teach my kids self defense concepts.
Didn't he say that Greco Roman wrestling is the most important wrestling to learn for mma
When?
Bullsh*t... If Collegiate wrestling was the best we would've seen americans dominate the Olympics... But russians are the ones that do that.
And yeah Chael is full of sh*t
@@uafc1 in his freestyle vs greco video.
Honestly what made this clear for me was Yoel Romero. He wasn’t a collegiate wrestlers and in mma he hasn’t been able to implement a wrestle heavy control style because his specialty wasn’t strong on control.
But he did give some explosive takedowns but wasn't able to control them
bipluv nakarmi exactly. Freestyle rewards explosive quick takedowns and doesn’t encourage ground control. Folkstyle places heavy emphasis on ground control.
I love hearing Chael talk
Folkstyle is the most important bc it’s the descendent Art of catch wrestling
Folkstyle for ground control but Greco-Roman wrestling is better for the stand up aspect of mma
BlackBeltValeTudo I’m a deputy and I’ve always found that I use my greco background more so than my jitz for grappling with suspects.
rick toretto are u policeman?
Khalikov Kamil Yeah, I’m a deputy sheriff in the United States we have policemen and deputies they are essentially the same thing deputies just have a larger jurisdiction.
I am a striker (Boxing and Wing chun) who knows little of Wrestling just start to understand Grappling through BJJ.What is the difference in skillset and rule set between Folkstyle/Collegiate, Freestyle, Greco-Roman and Catch as you can ?
Ninh explains, has good videos on the three styles different rules.
Too many to explain in a comment
I just wish folkstyle wasn't so damn complicated rules-wise. It's incredibly cryptic to newbie fans like me. I don't think I'm dumb, but jeez.
Wat?! Folk style actually is to me easier than free
Folkstyle rules are much more direct and simple than freestyle. No judges involved awarding points for amplitude, etc.
folkstyle for life
Wish I could study that type of wrestling. Where i am its only Olympic style
Would love to hear Chael's opinion on Jordan Burroughs
I have a kid that keeps surprising everyone around here. I put him in Gracie BJJ up here in Idaho and he has been blasting through stripes and belts. He decides he wants to wrestle too and without cutting an ounce has been mowing over other teens with years of experience, so I find myself going "ok, what's next?". At this point, I'd give my brothers left nut, (mine are priceless), to sit down and have a conversation with Chael about direction for the kid.
You want to talk to Chael about direction for your kid why? It seems like he’s doing fine
@@booooo-urns he's doing great! My kid wants to fight though. My dad was an Olympic alternate for boxing and used to work with him, but he died a few years ago. Some people prefer a couple different gyms and some people go to a MMA gym. Does training kickboxing and BJJ make the most sense or does training "MMA" make the most sense? Should I keep the kid in school wrestling or should I look into club? Are there good "camps" that I can send him to where he can get an idea of what being a full-time fighter would be?
There are a ton of different directions and I trust Chaels opinion on the subject more than most as he's a very cerebral athlete like my son.
@@aamantium1 I think a place that does judo/bjj/catch wrestling (CACC)/sambo would be interesting as that would seem to cover it all for grappling.
As far as striking, I don't know yet which combination or blend would seem ideal (of course to mix with the grappling).
Well, now I'm confused. In a recent video, he said that the Greco guys had more success in MMA due to their upright stance.
What seperates the different Wrestling styles in skill set?
jacob harris Great question. Collegiate (US folk style) focuses on takedowns and controlling the opponent on the mat. It teaches dominant positioning. Freestyle and Greco both emphasize back exposure more than control. Freestyle (similar to US folk style) allows lower and upper body attacks. Greco-Roman only allows upper body attacks such as throws. Finally, both freestyle and Greco reward high altitude throws.
@@johnchristian3387 so greco and judo are similar?
The short answer is a qualified yes. IJF judo allows only upper body grips plus the trips (ashi waza) and the pins and submissions. Kosen rules judo is like the folkstyle equivalent of judo. Leg grabs are allowed, and there is more time on the ground to secure a pin or submission.
Chael Sonnen presents a valid argument. I think he's right.
Left me asking: Whats the difference between different types of wrestling?
Freestyle allows grips just about anywhere as well as allowing trips, to the best of my knowledge. Grecco only permits grips above the waist. Never wrestled or studied it seriously but thats what Ive gleaned from spectating it.
The rules dictate the techniques and training; scoring differs. Folk style awards control while international styles award high amplitude throws. Also the allowed techniques differ. In Folk Style you can do techniques that hurt but not injure such as the wrestler's guillotine, while in international styles these aren't allowed. Also scoring is different. An international pin is 1 second while folk is 2 to 3 seconds. Ride time is awarded in folk. Par Terre generally gets stood back up like judo in the international styles, so they generally don't learn ground control instead they learn how to roll people over, because they are awarded for instances of back exposure while in folk back exposure is awarded by a 2 to 5 seconds of exposure, in other words you must hold and control it not just roll around. In international wrestling you can slam while in folk you can only takedown with control; you literally must be able to stop the moment is the referee says stop, which you can't do at the height of the arc in any suplex. International rules throws are better for fights, but the handles, controls, takedowns, and pins from folkstyle are better if you aren't trying to injure another in a fight, and if you are trying to injure them then they do allow you to control a person to do much damage if you know submissions and strikes; early ground and pound is an example of it, because the ground fight allows knees and elbows while you have a person tied and held immobile, which aren't allowed in current rules.
I wrestled a tournament in the US, we were supposed to wrestle freestyle but the US teams said we had to wrestle folkstyle and we had never heard of folkstyle. We were destroyed and our coaches filed a grievance and all day 1 results were thrown out. We wrestled freestyle, I was 95kg and I shot in and picked up my opponent and he screamed. I did a 5pt salto and after that the US team lost every match but 1. What I learned is, if you are trained in 1 and not in another you probably will lose if you wrestled the other style.
Cool story bro
American wrestling is the best style in the world. Is the most like actual combat by far!
"If Sambo was easy, it would be called collegiate" - Khabib
Wiki only mentions his Greco Roman stuff.
Folkstyle is the best form, freestyle, then Greco. The best wrestler in ufc yoel did freestyle, he can beat any folkstyle at his weight class. It comes down to the athlete
Gene Bone nonexistent? He outwrestled weidman who is the best wrestler at 185.
Gene Bone dan had great wrestling don't know where you get that from he rarely used it offensively but it was always there when he needed it. Randy couture was a greco roman guy and he is a 4 time champion ( one of the titles he lost was via bullshit eyepoke by belfort so we can't really count that.
Romero did use his wrestling against Whittaker in the first fight but Weidman actually took him down twice with single legs and then got kneed. Also Brunson double legged Romero a few times and then Romero landed a huge punch and knocked Brunson out. I think Romero is a better wrestler then most but you can see that him not having any NCAA wrestling experience hurts him a little bit when it comes to getting take downs and defending take downs.
Gene Bone HW in mma is a joke. Some of the ATG's are heavyweights. Also couture competed in lightheavyweight as well and cleanly outwrestled tito who is a collegiate wrestler. And hendo was outgrappled not outwrestled. Which BJJ guys are you referring too? You do know big nog was like twice his size?
Gene Bone who kept him there? Hendo created great scrambles against those guys and had no problem being on his back unlike most wrestlers. Shields is a great wrestler himself.
I hereby dub this style of video: Assistant Coach Chael!
In my opinion I think freestyle is good against bjj while folk is better against strikers who want to get back up
American wrestlers dominating the UFC
*Russians entered the chat*
I was unaware of the 1993 rule, inquiry is that specific to one given year or is it lifetime? in other words could someone represent the USA in 2016 Greco and 2020 Freestyle? (Provided they qualified of course)
Yes
Chael what do you think of catch wrestling?
The actual best style for mma.
It's the same style. Folk is catch without submissions.
This video aged depressingly 🥲
Catch is the Daddy of Folk and Free, thats all I got(ch).
Is collegiate and folk the same thing?
yes
for the most part. high school and college are both folkstyle, but only college is considered colligiate. Some small differences such as college rewards "riding time" and high school does not
Yes, college matches are a minute longer though and you can earn a point for every minute of top control, which isn't a thing in high school wrestling. There's also more emphasis on wrestling the edge of the mat, scoring before going out of bounds/ keeping from being scored on before out of bounds, which isn't really taught to high schools kids. Although you might see it in wrestling powerhouse states like Ohio and Pennsylvania.
Sword wrestling bjj gun
Ok Great
I've always heard that Greco wrestlers make the best Folkstyle Wrestlers. What do u guys think?
Lol 1 year on... still no one cares to tell you what they think...
@@TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55 😂😂😂
So collegiate wrestling is folkstyle?
Yes
Collegient 😉
You don't diclose the business!
Every word he speaks is gospel
Freestyle is. We Americans think our way is always better. The world likes freestyle more and always has. If we adopted it more I think the sport would be larger.
Folks tyler is just simply boring for non wrestlers.
all this is 100% true….. until you look at Dagestan
bullshit.....a greco roman wrestling slam would really hurt in concrete floor
American folkstyle is what should be done in the world and Olympics. Freestyle sux in comparison.
I’d say catch wrestling is the most important to learn IF you can get ahold of it (pun intended). If you can’t get it, folkstyle is best
Fuck noooo...in real street fight, if the greco roman wrestler slams you to the concrete floor...then youre done buddy...imaginr alexander karelin slam these mma fighters hahahah in the street...and dont get me wrong, im an mma fan
Chael, you are looking incredibly healthy these days. What's your secret?
💉🤣🤣
This video is racist -Tyron Woodley
This is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. International freestyle wrestling is by far the best and most complicated and intricate. The best grapplers like Khabib, are actually using a mixture of wrestling and Judo. If you want to do double and single legs all day learn collegiate wrestling in america. If you want to learn trips/throws/balance control/hip tosses/sweeps/counters learn international freestyle wrestling.
Freestyle wrestling>Greco Roman wrestling>Folkstyle wrestling
zef sagala you obviously have never wrestled folkstyle and missed the whole point of the video either that or don’t know the meaning of < or >
@@icydedppl thats in a street fight...a greco roman wrestler slams you to the ground and youre done boyyy
@@icydedppl you cant always rely on ground controll...watch Pride FC...kicks and knees were legal to the head of ground opponent....didnt really work well for folkstyle wrestlers
zef sagala, having wrestled all three styles at a very high level all I can say is you’re wrong, but you’re entitled to your opinion I suppose. 🤷🏼♂️👍
@@icydedppl bro do you even watch MMA....go watch Pride FC pleaseeeee
Freestyle does not encourage top bottom wrestling which is more important in street fighting. Freestyle bottom wrestling is a joke and freestyle scoring is a joke, not even "experts" do not know how to score some scrambles. I wish folkstyle was an olympic sport
Chael takes way to long to make a point.
Im english this means nothing to me
English fighters don't have wrestling backgrounds since they're mainly strikers.
Chael you are just unintelligent
Lol k
1st
Tk not first
The ability that is underestimated the most in folk style is the ability to get up. You know why watching Dominick Cruz, TJ Dillashaw and Cody Garbrant fight each other is awesome? Its because every time one gets a take down the other one gets right back up to their feet. Dominick was a solid college wrestler that has only improved since, Cody was a high school state champion, and TJ wrestled for Cal State Fullerton which is high level. So their wrestling is pretty close to even.
Bullsh*t... If Collegiate wrestling was the best we would've seen americans dominate the Olympics... But russians are the ones that do that.