Darkest Dungeon II (Zero Punctuation)
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Ah, this is a review of Darkest Dungeon 2 that was posted awhile ago. sm
Captions are broken again
Are you seriously going to do Deathtrap Dungeon? Cos little-gamebook-fan me loved it.
You have my permission to skip Zelda. In fact I would prefer it if you didn’t. I hate Zelda games and I would rather you not be demonetized by Nintendo.
How many copies sold before you'll hire someone to pimp the pig?
You might think that Yahtzee's comment about kitting your coach out with a pancake maker was some silly, off-the-cuff gag item but, no, that's actually an item in the game
And it's a really good one! Very useful.
Everyone loves flapjacks.
@@Potatezone You beat me to it.
@@Potatezone Except these characters wanted WAFFLES.
@@DMBlade4 I agree, pancakes are very spooky.
dude I find it hilarious that outfitting your carriage with a pancake dispenser is something you can actually do
“Everybody likes flapjacks”- descriptive text of the pancake dispenser
Though the real gains tend to be felt in the whisky still.
EERM EPIC REDDIT MOMENT MY GUY
Best part: them pancakes are great to buff your characters!
sounds autistic
that feeling of not wanting to play because you're paralyzed by fear that you are not do something right is so relateable it hurts. Got 40 hrs in the og and it's still one of my favorite games ever, but I still refused to go into the hardest difficulty cuz i was afraid I wasn't playing optimally and ill get some of my best characters killed. In other games, Id save scum but theres none here and I hate recovering from failure.
Every run is a chance to learn and that's what I personally enjoy about games like this
I have the same feeling playing fear and hunger. That game is even more cruel than DD, I constantly feel like I am making the wrong decision and often have to pause the game for 5 minutes to consider my options or second guess what I've already done.
I never managed to get a team good enough to beat the final dungeon even after maxing them out. I can't help but feel the game intends for you to min-max the best possible team combination to win and I was enjoying the role play side of things more than the number crunching side of things.
@@Konfide4043 I have not played the game, so forgive my audacity. Now judging from the original comment, it sounds like this particular game could benefit from tightening its iteration loops (BS term, my vocabulary is embarrassing). It's easier to make mistakes when you can recover from them sooner and have less decision-less repetition.
FWIW, you can absolutely 100% savescum DD1. The save files are on your computer, just back them up before every dungeon and restore them when something inevitably goes horribly wrong.
Every time Yahtzee brings up the Arkham Horror story it feels like I live in the bizarro world because that's every experience I've had with the game
I can't imagine playing Arkham Horror with someone who doesn't read out the flavor text. That's the whole point of it.
Yeah I think that calls for them being sacrificed to the specific elder one.
The cards get really samey real quick
@@ChristophBrinkmann Depends on the edition I think. Second edition, yes, but the Third takes inspiration from the AH card game so each scenario has a lot of specific events to it and you only get repeats if you play the same scenario twice.
Thats the nature of playing in boring ameritrash with theme you like. You never know how many decades pass before you manage to find another human being to play with, so anybody will do.
@@ChristophBrinkmann improvise then. If you're bored, you're boring.
"Yeah, I'm doing Zelda next week." - Yahtzee a week after doing Zelda
I almost had to double-check to make sure that the Zelda review was indeed already done last week.
@Matthew Muir i did in fact double check cuz I was concerned I Mandela effected watching it 😂
Yeah what's up with that? I feel like yahtzee has a lot of creative control given that he's like 90% of the draw at least of escapist...
@@AdamCooperman guess they got a time limited offer for that gacha game ad they ran before the zelda video
I had to go back and check i didn’t just hallucinate an entire episode of Zero Punctuation last week
One thing I kind of liked about Cultist Simulator is that while it does do the confusing menus thing, it commits to the bit. For the most part the jank fits with the lore, to the point that knowing the lore makes it feel slightly approachable. Which is important, because the writing is the game's strongest element and that gives you more reason to care.
Yup. It's in the documentation that tinkering around to figure out how stuff works is part of the INTENDED experience for CS.
Finally someone says it
@@tanker00v25 I wasn't aware that any part of my post was anything but generally agreed upon by those familiar
i know, i just wish the game was fun and not 80% fucking timewasting
On the other hand, I never felt that the DD2 menus were confusing. I wonder if Yahtz missed the memo that you can view a legend of what each symbol means at any time.
The biggest problem I have with the game is that it still feels like there's no good reason to keep pushing on in the face of partial failure, something I noticed and commented on early on in the beta. If you lose a hero, you've lost an integral part of the comp you've built, and there's probably no replacing them. Better to just nuke the run and start over than try for a whole 4 extra candles, especially if you lose before the final cultist fight of a map, because you're probably not limping your way to the next inn with only 3 characters when those cultists mean so much business. And even if you do, the fourth you might pick up probably doesn't even fit the roster you have, so the majority of the time it's still going to be a loss for little-to-no gain.
Meanwhile, in the first game, pushing on meant the promise of real measurable rewards - maybe I can get enough money to finally cure that one Bounty Hunter who saved my ass a dozen times of his crippling kleptomania, or maybe I can finally put that new wing in the sanitarium and buy some fresh new manacles for the operating room. And in most other roguelikes, if they have partial fail states then they'll have something similar. But in this, the cost/benefit ratio is too skewed, the encounters too brutal, to the point that the right call 90% of the time is to just give up once someone dies and start over, with the last 10% being to give up once you get to the inn because the person who died happened at one of those damnable cultist fights at the end of a route. There's just no light at the end of the tunnel once a run starts going sideways, because the cockup cascade potential of DD2 makes Hitman look full of hens.
When I first saw the game, I thought this very strongly as well. But after playing, I've been able to push through to the next inn and replacement character surprisingly often. I find it fun to try and fit a new random character into the party, but I can see how to some that would be frustrating.
I had the impression that the enemy amount scaled back and the composition got easier if you lost a character? I recall encountering a lot of trios when I lost a character.
And hey, a couple of minutes just before posting this I've beaten a mountain boss after losing half of my original composition. I was taking on the Seething Sigh, I was planning to go against it with Occultist, Jester, Leper and Hellion, Halfway through the run my Occultist died, instead of giving me a healer the game gave me a Highwayman, I thought: YOLO, we'll see. Didn't really work out without a dedicated healer so the Highwayman and the Hellion both died and as a replacement I got a Vestal and a Flagellant. And, yes, they did it, they did it better than when my planned composition reached the afromentioned boss, also because this time I double-checked if I had the right, trinkets, items and abilities to take on the boss. :/
This is why i gave up after buying day 1. The journey is gone....and youre left doing a series of runs. I couldnt ever get that feeling towards my favorite characters amidst an army of expendables....and you got to actually build units and keep them. Its gorgeous, but the metagame is laaaaaame/nonexistent. I loved being able to revisit my favorites, and begrudgingly bring new untested recruits along. Dd2 is all new recruits every time.
I just finished a run where I had unlocked the trinket which adds +100% HP and DMG for each missing hero. I thought it would be useless, but I held onto it. Then the freaking Dagon boss killed 3 of my party out of nowhere, leaving Dismas all by himself. I pressed on, soloed the Ingress with him, and recruited an entirely new team!
Then they all died and I started over.
In the 1.0 release, they changed it so that limping to the next inn when you lose a character gives more candles as a sort of consolation prize for dealing with the rest of the region (in addition to the fact that ending runs at inns gives more candles in general). Also, I hate to say it, but early cultist bosses are absolutely achievable while down a character, and it may well be a skill issue on your end.
It's weird.
I really loved DD1 to the point where I got 2 in early access, but it never quite stuck with me.
I think one of the reasons was my ability to create my own party with multiples of the same class. My personal favorites were 3 houndmasters and the abomination (for the ultimate goodest boy party) and the two arbalests and two leper party (were the entire party always goes last but hits like a truck at the start of an Isekai).
Incidentally: Playing Arkham horror without reading the texts *shudder*
Black Reliquary is still in development, but is in the home stretch if you're looking for more DD1.
For me it was honestly the whole dungeon diving experience.
I never liked Dungeon Crawlers before I played Darkest Dungeon. But that game sold me on it. Do I really need that many torches? Maybe a few bandages for opening curios?
And what about some shovels?
And then once I am inside it becomes: Do I really wanna use those bandages just for some minor gains. What if I need them later.
I dunno, it just really worked for me.
And then DD2 removed all of the dungeon diving.
@@michimatsch5862 press and hold right to explore dungeon.
That opening sentence is going to be really odd to the general viewers when this video goes public
Am general viewer, can confirm it is odd
@@Jayyemi I'm guessing that this was made last week, but with the hype of the game, they published the Zelda review early
It was actually made 2 weeks ago. For some reason there's often a one week delay between when episodes appear in their awful website and when they're uploaded onto youtube. Last week the zelda review was uploaded directly though, so instead of drakest dungeon we got that
3:30 this is why i really liked their little info card you could bring up with ctrl, i really wish more games would do this.
Yeah, but they really had some weird little design oversights (choices?). Like not being able to see hp and info while animations play. or being able to see how much torch you have or change party order when on the event menu of the current location. There are a lot of qol improvements to make here, but yeah these are only small things.
yeah except that card doesn't show the icons you're looking for half of the time
@@codesymphony There is an easily accessible token glossary that displays literally every token in the game, and you can pull it up at any time.
0:24 _"Yeah, I'm reviewing Zelda next week"_
*Me: double-checks to make sure that the Zelda review already happened last week and that I'm not going crazy.*
Stupid gacha games messing with the time-space continuum.
Mentioned elsewhere, but tl;dr scheduling issue with sponsored vid got these two swapped. Ironically the one directly referencing an order of videos
@@Dr.Death8520 Yeah, I know; I found out about that after posting the comment.
technically you can have permanent quirks that stick around, but only on characters who survive all the way through the battle with a run's final boss. You can then give them a small bonus item called a "memory" and use them again on a new run, but the moment they're dead you're back to a default randomized version.
The best part is, in the game there IS a pancake dispenser
I honestly held off on buying more stagecoach items for a while, since I liked getting the flapjack maker every run.
Tbh the whiskey machine is better once you unlock apples & cheese
I agree with the last bit, having the characters reset each time really takes away that sense of progression and party building, it seems to arbitrarily make the game harder too since, you can't build a team that gets better over time while also having to manage any issues they incurr from a run. The feels odly more streamlined but less polished than the first.
"can't build a team that gets better over time while also having to manage any issues they incur from a run."
Well. I mean. Yes you can. Sort of. Basically so long as you beat every run those characters (that lived) come back for the next chapter. So you can go on making a team that runs through all 5 chapters. There's even an achievement for going through all chapters using the exact same team. They keep their quirks (and gain a negative quirk if they lack any) and you get to swap their path if you want. But yeah, as soon as any of them go down the next run will be with a "new" jester/PD/etc. or if you swap teams between runs they disappear.
So this is objectively untrue. You lock in characters by beating the act bosses and giving them memories.
Or invest in the memories thing, but even then, it's... ugh.
@@Canadian_Princess Yeah, I thought it was weird that Yahtzee didn't mention that mechanic. Methinks he miiiiiight not have beaten the first boss, given that that was the only one he mentioned in passing.
@@Canadian_Princess That's really not the same thing as what OP said. At all.
Well good news...I've discovered I have the innate ability to time travel because I've already seen "next week's" review of Tears of the Kingdom.
I think Fear and Hunger would be more up Yatzhee’s depressing and existential alley.
I've been eagerly awaiting his discovery of funger
he did not enjoy pathologic so who knows
I feel like he's either going to be down on it for being a bit too hard in on the "bash your head into a wall until progress or brain damage" aspect, or his wife is going to find him teetering on the edge of sanity a week later after his 5th death to the crowmauler and have to help him recover by reading his collection of Horacio Hornblower novels.
I think it's a coin toss.
sent by super eyepatch wolf?
As someone who played Deathtrap Dungeon, all those references make me wish he'd do a retro review of it.
Unless he already has, and I never saw it.
been watching him since 2011. He hasn't done it.
No he has not
@@prointernetuser I now feel old... Been watching since 2006 in the beginning...
This best sums up a first playthrough of Darkest Dungeon 1 and 2 so perfectly it's hilarious, just how overwhelming everything is. Though the satisfaction of having a plan work makes the game so addicting and fun, despite how painful it can be.
DD1 really clicked for me when I realized it is NOT unforgiving. In fact, it is literally impossible to lose (unless you're playing on Stygian mode), so it is infinitely forgiving. Even if you get a full party wipe of your best adventurers, you can just train up new ones. I think of it like a sports management game; yeah it sucks when your star player gets a career-ending injury, but the team will live on.
It might not be possible to lose but having to grind constantly because the game thinks difficulty is having to kneecap, restrict, and force its player through the same thing over and over isn't exactly fun, either. You can't lose most games. There's no losing in Ninja Gaiden--you can just start the stage over. Dark Souls? You just got back to the last bonfire. Being unforgiving doesn't just mean having an absolute failure state.
Realizing that the people are more disposable then the equipment you give them is what flipped the game to extremely enjoyable to me.
@@leadpaintchips9461
And made you into something closer resembling your ancestor...
@@garr_inc Ayup, which was the whole point of the game. The people in DD 1 _are_ expendable, much more so then Xcom or any of the other games that have that mechanic.
@@leadpaintchips9461
That also reveals your biases in regards to the operation. You can treat your people well, and while it is less optimal money-wise, it leads to overall stronger characters down the line. But you can also treat the bottom like chumps, and this has potentially more merit. Just depends on what you are willing to do...
I'm still relatively new to the game, but for anyone running into Yahtzee's issue with enemies/bosses not dying to death's door - their death's door resistance level goes down each time they are saved. Make sure you have at least one status effect on them (bleed/burn/blight) to get an extra knock every time they attack. Especially for the bosses that attack multiple times a turn, you'll be hitting them, say, 6 times a turn instead of 4. (Also some characters like highwayman have abilities that have a higher chance to finish off enemies on death's door.)
Adding to this - hit them with as many 'weaken' or 'blind' effects as possible that still deal damage - or use attacks that also give you a survival buff. Since the amount of damage doesn't matter anymore, don't just hit them with whatever, if you can knock down the Death's door resistance level AND make it easier to survive, like with Jester's 'fade to black' for blind, or his upgraded 'Razor Wit' to give yourself a dodge, you are dramatically increasing your odds.
Finally, 'Riposte' also gives you more chances to keep hitting and killing them. Just keep knocking.
Why is that even a function anyways? The original deaths door mech was specifically for clutch situations where a party member could live, it has no place being on enemy's other than to make the game harder artificially.
I've watched you for over 10 years! First comment (: In DD2! The characters that actually beat a run will "survive" and maintain their traits for the next run, and there is an additional screen you unlock that even allows you to outfit them with "memories" that act as permanent buffs that will persist until that character dies! Love your wit!
Having someone with an attack that ignores part of an enemy's death save chance tends to be helpful
Bless highwayman because he got pretty much all of them. (From what i know only wicked slice and double tap bypass some deathblow resist without trinkets, both of those moves are used by the highwayman)
@@kamilslup7743double tap my beloved
@@flaminggarbage8241 ah, i see you're a sharpshot path user, well i do both that and rogue, depends on the quirks
Can’t believe he loves the new Zelda so much that he’ll review it twice
Adding in my two cents that I'd love to see Yahtzee review Fear & Hunger along with Termina. Even if he ends up taking a massive dump on them I'd still like to hear his thoughts.
I love your oddly specific Arkham Horror rant lmao I have that same experience constantly
The drive-thru all devouring maw has the best french fries.
Genuinely didn’t expect this after so long but I’m so glad he’s covered it!
I didn't know I was supposed to be a scholar recounting adventures.
I thought in the original game, I was something between a gym coach and a cheerleader.
"Okay scrubs, school funds only allocated me upgraded for... Abombiation, raise your hand next time before asking a question, but yes: the Vestial will not be here today, she is... busy.
Yes, she's alive, she's just gambl-on a personal vacation...
Yes Highwayman?
The Leper is fine... he's fine. He's at the church.
He's fine...
We got a very nice new Hellion, the Hellion will do. You guys will like her.
Yes Bounty Hunter?
I know you miss Man At Arms, I do too.
Hellon is here to help, not replace...
I know, I know, we all miss Crusader too.
Abomination, it's okay, we'll find another Crusader.
Okay gang! Let's wrap up! We got the Plague Doctor, he'll...
He CAN heal, I know why you think he can't, BUT trust me, he DOES HIS JOB."
FYI, as of September 2023 they changed the Death's Door mechanic for the enemies; now it's token based rather than RNG.
I was genuinely belly laughing, Yahtzee!! Loved this one!
I will say that listening to Wayne Junes narration in the game makes me interested in picking the game up on a sale. Im a bit burnt out on rogue games.
Heard this game's ancestor has weaker lines, which really bummed me out. Say what you will about DD1, the Ancestor went hard and gave a ton of personality to the game
Yeah sadly they didn't give Junes a lot to work with. Honestly I'm waiting for someone to mod in DD1 lines into DD2 to give the Ancestor more personality.
His narration for the story beats are great but the in-game lines are weaker than DD1 for sure.
@@geroni211 The Academic (the DD2 narrator) has a different personality than the Ancestor; very "push forward, you'll successfully face your failures with enough persistence" instead of the Ancestor's gleeful sadism the moment things go even slightly poorly.
@Weirdy Wonka The DD2 narrator and player character are respectively the Academic and the Scholar, in the same way in DD1 those roles were the Ancestor and the Heir.
Spoiler for the DD2 midgame, but the Ancestor is in the story as a very separate dude from the Academic.
No worries! I think the game does need to make it more explicit that the Academic and Ancestor are different characters before that midgame reveal, because the voice difference between them is entirely subtlety in Wayne June's tone.
Deathtrap Dungeon was a hardcore classic. I remember there were weapons you'd get in the early levels that you had to completely save for the final boss.
Yeah, seems like this time around the team was more focused on their new 3D graphics and battle animations.
While the overall mechanics and story have been pushed more to the side. Some heroes like the Crusader haven't returned either, which was depressing for me. If seeing the new graphics made me excited for anything, it was seeing how my favorite heroes did battle.
I sense DLC on the horizon for these
I think one should not forget how much they improved the rng imo. The token system does this very well despite looking like dumbed down mechanics. No chain dodging crit chaining swine god moments anymore (until now in my playthrough at least). And there are a lot of more viable options for strategies, not just sawblade, dot, crit or white weenie.
I get your point, but the mechanics have improved massively imo. Except you just want to throw some dice. By all means, get hungerchecked to death.
The token system >>>>>>>>> dd1 combat system by a mile
The designs of the enemies are way better too
"Pushed to the side" Seriously? I'm pretty sure the team at Red Hook worked bloody hard to create a game that was significantly different and mechanically more polished than DD1 rather than just DD1 with prettier visuals. Please give them credit where it's due. Streamlined mechanics are not "mechanics pushed to the side". As for the characters, with the addition of the Runaway to replace the Crusader-type, does DD2 really have less characters than DD1 did at launch?
@@GoodEggGuy You're definitely not familiar with the history of DD2's development process and it shows.
Thank you for mentioning Deathtrap Dungeon! It's one of those games that you'd want, but couldn't get at the time. And then forget all about.
This really jogged my memory
I think they actually addressed his 2 big issues. The death saving throws are now death armor tokens. Once you bring them to 0 hp one breaks off then if has one left you have to hit it twice once removes the last one then its killable. Not all enemies have it and its balanced well who has how much. For the agonizing process lf setting up your party exsactly right every time you can now save and load teams on the menu.
My biggest gripes with the game were that the bosses are just too hard, runs take too long, and characters resetting after each run diminished the feeling of progress. I think it's a good game, but it could have been so so much more
Well once you beat a boss you can lock the hero using the candles plus a small bonus. Some strategies would involve going on easy to start training
Yeah, as someone who loved the first game, this one really let me down. The lack of permanent progression really undid a lot of the appeal for me. I still enjoyed it right up until I got to the mountain, got wiped before I could understand the boss's gimmick and realized I'd need to spend several hours getting back to just to learn the pattern and tricks to then go back again to have a chance (which I did and then ended up dying due to a shitty dice roll, which pretty much ended my interest in the game...)
@@tigercrush2253Progression is in some ways very similar to be honest. Like your description there just reminds me of doing a super long zero torch run and getting wiped by unlucky status chances by a necromancer. I think the pivotal thing is you dont come back to the hamlet per mission anymore and its generally after a wipe.
@@tigercrush2253bruh having to sacrifice a whole party just to learn every bosses gimmick was one of the exact reasons why I hated the *first* game. I feel it's waaaaay *less* of a problem in 2
@@fartsforeyes7651 On regular difficulty I never actually lost more than 1 at a time, barring the end. I wasn't really unbelievably lucky either, usually the opposite. I wouldn't say the game was easy on normal, but I would say that careful planning and preparation could offset a lot of bad luck and a well rounded party was usually able to adapt to a boss's bullshit the first time you fight them. I will say that The Hag stressed me way the fuck out though, along with damn near the entirety of the Courtyard. Fuckin' vampire bugs.
I had the exact same experience with DD1, and you saying that felt validating
Good review, just one thing...you CAN still maintain your heroes quirks and all, just give them memories on the end of each successful run, it makes them maintain every skill and quirks you got and there is even some achievements about it...
If your a fan of lovecraftian games then I’d recommend giving Sunless Sea and Sunless Skies a review. There both just as difficult as Darkest Dungeon but are less combat oriented and have more of a focus on story and world building. Go give them a shot, I think you’d enjoy it.
Why not have a nice, relaxing visit at the resort town of Worlebury-juxta-Mare? Don't pay any attention to the things in the fog.
I recommend Skies over Sea because after 10 hours, most people will rightly ask "what am I doing here?" for the latter, whereas the former has a somewhat clear progression, even if it's a cruel one.
@@artstsym Eh, I wouldn’t necessarily say that Skies invalidates Sea. It has a different enough vibe and gameplay loop that that it has its own niche
@@NeoCreo1 Sure, as narrative experiences go, neither is going to replace the other, but you really need to be dedicated to the setting to put up with Sea's preposterous levels of bullshit.
You can also bang a squidman, which is very important.
2:19 but it makes sense on a table top i’ve seen battle reports where one person is dominating and then once they roll, and then that same person is the one that loses
There are mechanics for some of the mentioned issues (press ctrl to see most token meanings, keep memories if you win), a lot of it is indeed quite convoluted. It feels less like a reward when you keep your skills selected, and more like the game will punish you if you ever get unlucky or experiment. The UI is often a bit of a mess too - readability if you're not used to stuff is terrible, and still lacking once you've got 100 hours in it.
I hate how things sometimes happen and I have no idea why. Like, the fog in the Shroud. It took me a while to figure out that's just something that happens there. But sometimes someone will randomly lose a sanity from a non-crit attack that never caused sanity damage before, and I have no idea way. The game really obfuscates a lot, like what happens at each difficulty level increase. Exemplars were no problem before, but now suddenly on the fourth confession they've wiped me out twice, and I'm not certain what changed to make them so much harder.
I appreciate the Ivy scattergories reference from Slightly Something Else
Ooh nice to see the final boss from Splatterhouse used in this vid.
When he mentioned that he liked the idea of choices inevitably leading to the final big bad, I thought "wow it almost sounds like Yhatzee has a thing for those types of games, I wonder if he may have created one in the past that does exactly that???"
Anyway, play The Consuming Shadow, it's pretty good
2:25
Second wind, lmao
There are skills that give % to skip death door or you can tripple dot them for almost auto death next turn.
a lot of the bosses (lair and mountain) feel like you're meant to wipe to them once or twice to learn their gimmick before you can actually win, and that ticked me off a little, so I decided looking it up on the wiki was morally permissible.
Enjoy the game a lot though, Encore-Solo-Finale Jester my beloved
Quirks do stay if you win and get memories but yeah they made relationships more ephemeral after everyone hated relationships being changed in fights
Lmao at the opening sentence
I loved the AH reference since I am a big fan of the board game.
Delightful, a decisive deliberation detailing Darkest Dungeon Dos.
Honestly, taking your time with the monster that is Zelda is a good idea. I'm still finding new things after way too many hours spent... Did all of the lightroots, doing the shrines now...
Just want to say Existentially Challenged and Differently Morpheus are great books - thanks Yahtz!
Interesting thing I have noticed. If your game has fundamental problems with say character detachment, add pancake dispensers and cute pets and somehow that will make it ok.
Still, while a lukewarm review is probably more appreciated by red hook, I can't help but see it as a testament to the nature of DD2. It's not a terrible game like some are too eager to describe it as, but it doesn't feel exceptional either. DD1 felt like a big deal, it made some rumbles in the indie scene, it's a game that will be culturally remembered in the future. DD2 just kinda feels like just another game, one more to that endless pile. Not sure how much of that is the game's fault versus the indie industry though.
that is exactly WHY people are so critical of it though. They started with an experimental masterpiece, and moved to a cookie-cutter mid-tier game. Whenever you throw an old audience under the bus, you have to be prepared for backlash.
Personally, dd2 pisses me off because I feel like its expecting me to devote too much of my time to make any progress, and I don't have tons of time sitting around anymore. I get 6-8 free hours a day if that, and there's other things I want to do and other games I want to play. There's nothing that will make me put down a game quicker than having a 2 hour run ended because I didn't look at a wiki in advance to find out how a boss gimmick works and hyper-specialize a team for it before setting out.
The death defiance in the first game was already perfect, mostly because a lot of the enemies hit harder than you and every bit of damage your party took was one step closer to disaster. Death's Door allowed you to try to scrape yourself out of a colossal mess and get out alive. Now with the enemies who hit even harder than the first game also having Death's Door just makes it so there's only really two ways to play: either cheese the heck out of an exploitable system or brute force your way through the combat, which doesn't feel like DD anymore, as the point of the first game was your party working together to help each other out in their own unique way.
death's door on enemies is the worst idea ever
90% of enemies with deaths door have a death door value of 0 though
Huh, I wonder how you’d feel about Fear and Hunger, where instead of asking “are you sure you want to do that” at every action, the game instead tells you “you really don’t want to do that” at every option
And then you find out exactly WHY you don't want to do that, at every option.
Better memorize every enemy's attack patterns if you don't want to deal with coin flip instakills every other encounter
Hoky shit i remember watching this dude YEARS ago... cant believe hes still going strong. Awesome find!!!
Now I want a Yahtzee DD1 video
I now have a craving for Jam Wagon Wheels.
He did not hate it, thats "must buy" in Yahtzee speak.
The only reviews I actually laugh out loud during. :D
Also will say one major positive point about Darkest Dungeon 2. It feels like the right choice for making a Darkest Dungeon Sequel.
Yes, they could've taken the original and added EVEN MORE to it like more quirks, areas, items, enemies, classes, etc. but then there's a point of whether we'd NEED that, or if we could just play the original again.
DD2 serving as a more traditional roguelike, streamlining the core concept into shorter individual runs gives it a unique identity and a reason to play it over the original.
I'm still going to buy it eventually, but I am definitely lowering my expectations thanks to this review. Thank you. I was about to be disillusioned.
I mean a herb is “any plant with leaves, seeds, or flowers used for flavouring, food, medicine, or perfume” so as long as you’re eating it it’s a herb
I will always remember the one and only time I played Arkham Horror. Because all year in college, I was told it was this intense hardcore board game where most people die.
And then when we go to play it, one of my friends got the Nun.
Proceeded to get a shotgun and a motorcycle and a dog.
And he/she proceeded to just MOW through all the demons and portals.
Just the concept of a motorcycle riding, shotgun wielding, chihuahua purse nun killing demons sounds fun to me.
The game also took about 7 hours and despite having fun, no one has time for that except after finals in college.
Yahtzee's thoughts on DD2 pretty much mirror my own. If his jokes and end-cards are anything to go by, he also enjoyed the relationship system and the additional role-playing it sparks. I too started shipping my favorite characters and inventing stories for their dynamic relationships.
It definitely exacerbated my main criticism of the game, which was how un-nuanced permanent progression is now. The hamlet and heroes of DD1 were very personalized and lent themselves to telling a developing story. In DD2, the Altar and Memories systems definitely don't achieve the same thing. The relationships seemed like a great opportunity, but they ended up being very random and frustrating for me.
I had the same problem with the boss not dying. Gotta bring someone with a move that can negate deathblow resistance.
Highwayman: "You rang?"
Shout out deathtrap dungeon! That’s a blast from the past. Don’t think I got much further than the carnival area when I was a young boy, that was ball bustingly hard!
This makes me feel so old. DD1 came out like 12 years ago now jesus
Good or bad, I would like to see his thoughts on Fear and Hunger.
I remember Yahtzee mentioning that bit about Arkham Horror in LDO, now I'm sad again.
sorry, the intro kinda confused me. didn't yahtzee review Zelda TOTK last week?
I'm guessing the reviews were released out-of-order, as there are a few comments from two weeks ago.
@@matthewmuir8884 ooooooooooooooh. that makes sense then
I will say, that the party members DO keep their traits earned in a run if you get through it alive, thus carrying over to your next one. If they die, then they get reset.
HP in Lovecraft's name stands for Hit Points
This is one of the best reviews. How the character relationships don’t carry over to the next run was a horrible design choice. Also, Lose a hero ? Well .. Fuck off with what’s his name let’s just hire a clone at the next inn and run this loop again.
2:39 Aw poor Death Trap :(
At least I'm on the same page as Yatz regarding Tears of the Kingdom. Nowhere close to done yet.
DD1 was a very good game to get on sale, because honestly a very low percentage of plsyers that bought or have the game ever end up beating it. I think I checked some numbers for a platform or two & it was a less than 10% final horror clear ratio.
Couple that with the unforgiving difficulty, but still able progression, some of it might suck but you can still make it through.
I don't see that in DD2, the introspection for each character's stories & background is good, but the death's door being accessible to enemies & resets of progression in each run, coupled with that same level of difficulty just makes it sound worse than before.
The animation changes & combat look very nice & i love that, but i dont see myself ever buying this game the way i did the first just because of how frustrating it inherently is losing because a boss won the RNG lottery and didn't want to eat a deathblow.
Bosses have like pretty negligible death blow resist, it’s non existent in acts 1,3,5, and 4, and it’s low in 2. The lair bosses have like 25-50 and it depletes 10 a hit so it’s dead in no time. Only exception is death mini boss which has 75 and depleted slower, but it has lower hp so it’s balanced
The Bourbons I love it
You got that admin part spot on. I'm literally loading the exact same characters and skills, why do I have to select this all again? Should be able to save preferences.
Scattergories is a treasure
I havent laught irl from yt video in years,thanks for the cure
By the way, all the little buffing and debuff symbols appear on screen with With an explanation if you hit control
This is by far the most accurate review of DD2 I have ever seen. Loved DD1 tho
Honestly, i don't vibe with DD2 at all, despite being a big fan of 1. What I liked about 1 is that its barely a rougelite. If you play well, you're never pushed back or reset like other roguelites even after a death, even on harder difficulties. You retreat, lose a guy, no big deal you'll train another one. Your town is ever expanding, your roster grows stronger, and you slowly chip away at the map dungeon by dungeon. Its more a city builder/RPG dungeon crawler than an actual roguelite.
In DD2, its gone full roguelite. You have to lose everyone or beat the whole game, no in betweens.
Deathtrap Dungeon: SAW meets Fanasty
New Kick Starter, raise money to stencil the cover onto a pig.
glad it got better
i had to google what a jammy wagon wheel was... wondering if it was the same as a jammy dodger....
it's not.
anyone you'd recommend? For the pig stencilling that is!
I like the Leper :) 3:56
That Arkham Horror bit absolutley slaps, its appreciated.
DD1 definitely hooked me and as soon as DD2 comes to console, ill get hooked to it as well
one would say: you're on a Red Hook, eh? eh ? eh?!
Yep, allowing the enemy party Death's Door save is complete bollocks.
There's a particular, somewhat spoiler-y miniboss encounter where it will trigger and the player is liable to respond with "go home, you're drunk".
God do I look forward to you tearing into Tears of the Kingdoms story >__
He already reviewed it last week. *Double-checks how old the comment is* Oh; never mind.
I got really into DD for a while, then rage quit for a while, and was never able to get into it again. I think it’s the combination of really unforgiving gameplay with the high number of random events. Whereas in Dark Souls, I can go in again trying harder to look out for a certain attack, here I go in hoping the boss doesn’t get too many lucky rolls in a row.
You ever heard of Vintage story? Looks a lot like Minecraft, but very stylish and beautiful. There are clear and great objectives and exploration is really cool with nice things to discover.