Things I noticed: 1:26 That's a Cylde-built unit, only 3 Comeng-built units remain in service, all double-ended units all to be replaced as hybrid-converted Clyde units become avaliable. 1:29 While we don't call them Comeng trains, they were nicknamed "Poxboxes" by the older generation of railfans, although unlike the Jumbos, Redhends, Bluebirds and Barwell Bulls, the name didn't really stick outside those circles. 1:53 The video here is flipped horizontally, this view is of the right side of the train. 3:23 The first unit (3009) is the first unit built by Clyde in 1991, the second unit (3015) has since been withdrawn, either for conversion or for permanent storage 4:43 This centre platform is a remnant of the now long-gone branch to Semaphore, and until 23rd of August, 2024, 4 trains a day in the AM peak would start here, providing a supplemental stopping service to an express train that went non-stop from Port Adelaide to Adelaide, Port Dock services perform a similar role now. 5:08 The Belair line is by far the best for scenic views, but the Ethelton to Alberton section with the viaduct looking over the roof-tops does have a charm. I hope you enjoyed your visit!
Yours in Melbourne are definitely prettier than ours! We used to get 3000 series running as single-car trains, much like V/Line's Sprinters, but I haven't seen that happen since probably 2018
@@StrayaTrains After identifying a technical issue/safety risk identified some years ago, basically they now run as minimum 2 car sets. On weekdays, we have movements between Dry Creek (main depot), and Adelaide along the Gawler Line where they operate as 6 car sets at the end of morning peak, and just before afternoon peak. Prior to this, quite often at night, single 3000 class railcars would be used during interpeak, and at night, along most lines, especially Dry Creek, Brighton, Tonsley, Grange and Belair lines as an effort to keep running costs down. For reference, Grange trains operated all stops to allow Outer Harbour to run express from Woodville (Port Dock now allows it to run faster further out) and now Grange and Port Dock provide high frequency services between Adelaide and Woodville. Tonsley and Brighton Trains allowed the Noarlunga (now Seaford) to run express to Woodlands Park, Oaklands and Brighton depending on the pattern. Dry Creek trains allowed the Gawler Central Trains to run express from Dry Creek to the City, hence the third platform which was used for turn back, but can't be now. Obviously now, the services have been improved somewhat and most of these intermediate services no longer exists, the Tonsley Line has been upgraded to Full Time, and extended to Flinders. Prior to Port Dock, certain peak services would terminate at Glanville to provide infill services, to allow the Outer Harbour to run a few more express services during peak periods.
It's so insane that Adelaide doesnt have a City Tunnel linking the north-south of the city, the network would actually be pretty effective with just a 3-4km tunnel allowing higher speeds, frequencies, bus interchange and more of the city to be served.
@@BigBlueMan118 there were plans for both, a tunnel would’ve connected the Gawler and Seaford lines, and the Outer Harbor with the Belair line, knocking out Mile End station entirely and adding new underground train stations at Hindmarsh Square, Victoria Square and Whitmore Square. Pretty much the same thing as the Melbourne metro tunnel is doing for the Sunbury and Pakenham lines (I think it’s those two, might be wrong). AdeLINK was the tram extension program, of which all we actually got was the botanic Gardens line
@@LucyJrts i dont actually think Belair should go into the tunnel I think it should remain going into Adelaide Terminal and convert the whole line to Standard Gauge. They have missed the boat on converting the rest of the network to Standard, should have done it with the electrifications.
@@BigBlueMan118idk about that. Electrification and expansion should be the two priorities, not gauge-conversion. Dual-gauging the lines into Adelaide would be good, so that standard-gauge trains can run out to Mt Barker and on the standard gauge line to Two Wells, and the Overland could come back into Adelaide instead of Keswick, but the rest of the network needs that money elsewhere (electrification of the Outer Harbor lines, station upgrades, Seaford to Aldinga expansion, duplication of Flinders and Grange, etc.) Gauge-converting the whole network is pretty well bottom of the list of priorities. It’s just a minor convenience thing, doesn’t actually make a difference to everyday users. As for the city loop… I really doubt that’ll ever happen, and personally I don’t think it’s necessary anyway.
all rail stations used to be magnificent, they used to be grand and flamboyant... now you get to Islington and you are left with nothing but an asphalt platform and maybe a box building or 2. Rail used to be cherished
The majority of 3000/3100 railcars selected for hybrid conversion are built by Clyde, so while the Comeng design will last the units operating are generally Clyde. Easy to tell though, the Comeng units have recessed emergency brakes fully painted red while the Clyde units have a silver lever protruding from the mechanism with a black knob, inside the passenger saloon that is.
there's an even easier way to tell, the Comeng built trains, of which only three (3005, 3006, and 3007) are currently still in service, have not received an interior refresh, and also have what I call "Comeng Nooks" at one end.
That display at 0:49 displaying 10:56 Belair looks to be an Adaptive Microsystems 220c, the same as the EDI Comeng's internal PIDs. The ones you see on the trains is that display in a custom enclosure. If you look closely at the font typeset it is the same!
visiting adelaides rail network especially the main train station is like stepping back in time 40 years except everyone has phones lmao. surprised they dont have steam hauled loco's considering how old they are
@@tangiers365 and now our transport minister wants to just scrap future electrification plans and buy another fleet of diesel hybrids instead… absolute twat!
It's half correct to call them Comeng's to be fair. The design is Comeng but basically all the diesel trains in service besides 3 are Clyde built using comeng designs
Ah yes another version of the comeng, railcar 3000 in adelaide the only difference I noticed is the lights outside and no display saying where it is going on adelaide’s trains. I would say the railcar 3000 is mostly similar with the Alstom Comeng but without the door at the front and no desto display. Idk if I’m correct with some things but that’s what I would say in my opinion.
Very rare to see 3-car sets outside special events (and shunting operations setting up for peak hour runs). We never see single-car 3000's anymore, haven't since before Covid
Interesting Melbourne perspective on Adelaide DMUs. From a NSW point of view it's always funny to see a train type called a "Comeng". Historically, most of trains here were made by either Comeng or Clyde so using the manufacturer's name for one specific train type would be ridiculous.
@@Soccera0 Indeed. Following that trend, Sydney Tangaras would be Mitsubishis, Milleniums would be Alstoms, and it'd be the Waratahs that'd be called Hitachis😄
I'm not sure if I already asked this in another video, but I keep wondering if these Adelaide comeng are refurbished Melbourne comeng, or buit especially for Adelaide
would have saved you a lot of time if u walked from port dock to port adelaide station, for the OH line, also really cool you got to see both door boarding on the train at glanville, i havent dont that think it might be for the services that are added in morning and afternoon peak which terminate at glanville but i think theres only 2 or 3 a day
@@matthewnorman9803 speed limit on our network is 90kph though, and our stations are so close together you never even see 70 other than through Sleeps Hill, so it doesn’t really matter
Thanks for watching the entire video! This was made to enjoy Adelaide's railways. Another video is in the process of being made about the actual train itself
Our 3000/3100 class our diesel/electric. Previously just used the diesel engine to generate electricity to operate the traction motors similar to freight locomotives. The hybrid still do, but have the ability to power down the engine to lessen the emissions when at stationary at Adelaide Railway Station before commencing their next journey, it can even provide initial traction power before the engines cut in. Apparently, they have been more successful than first thought.
@@StrayaTrains unfortunately some idiot decided that they can’t possibly be “green” if they aren’t actually green… so they decided to paint a sodding ugly green stripe down an otherwise attractive railcar
I thought it was a two car Melbourne Comeng. Until, I clicked on this video. 🤣
Haha
Same lol
same, was actually so confused !!
Same design
Same frrr
Things I noticed:
1:26 That's a Cylde-built unit, only 3 Comeng-built units remain in service, all double-ended units all to be replaced as hybrid-converted Clyde units become avaliable.
1:29 While we don't call them Comeng trains, they were nicknamed "Poxboxes" by the older generation of railfans, although unlike the Jumbos, Redhends, Bluebirds and Barwell Bulls, the name didn't really stick outside those circles.
1:53 The video here is flipped horizontally, this view is of the right side of the train.
3:23 The first unit (3009) is the first unit built by Clyde in 1991, the second unit (3015) has since been withdrawn, either for conversion or for permanent storage
4:43 This centre platform is a remnant of the now long-gone branch to Semaphore, and until 23rd of August, 2024, 4 trains a day in the AM peak would start here, providing a supplemental stopping service to an express train that went non-stop from Port Adelaide to Adelaide, Port Dock services perform a similar role now.
5:08 The Belair line is by far the best for scenic views, but the Ethelton to Alberton section with the viaduct looking over the roof-tops does have a charm.
I hope you enjoyed your visit!
@@BaileyChap what inspired the name “poxboxes”? I’ve always wondered why the 3000’s never got an “official” nickname, never heard of that one though
Thanks for the info. I did enjoy my visit :)
3015 is still in service as I saw it at Woodville, not hybrid converted though
Yours in Melbourne are definitely prettier than ours!
We used to get 3000 series running as single-car trains, much like V/Line's Sprinters, but I haven't seen that happen since probably 2018
Do you know if they ever do more than 2 cars?
Was on the look out for a one car. Makes sense. And yes I agree ours are nicer hehe
When there's enough patronage. They are literally scrapping 20 railcars instead of using them as 3 car sets.
The 3000s actually remind me more of the sprinters rather than the Comengs.
@@StrayaTrains After identifying a technical issue/safety risk identified some years ago, basically they now run as minimum 2 car sets. On weekdays, we have movements between Dry Creek (main depot), and Adelaide along the Gawler Line where they operate as 6 car sets at the end of morning peak, and just before afternoon peak. Prior to this, quite often at night, single 3000 class railcars would be used during interpeak, and at night, along most lines, especially Dry Creek, Brighton, Tonsley, Grange and Belair lines as an effort to keep running costs down.
For reference, Grange trains operated all stops to allow Outer Harbour to run express from Woodville (Port Dock now allows it to run faster further out) and now Grange and Port Dock provide high frequency services between Adelaide and Woodville. Tonsley and Brighton Trains allowed the Noarlunga (now Seaford) to run express to Woodlands Park, Oaklands and Brighton depending on the pattern. Dry Creek trains allowed the Gawler Central Trains to run express from Dry Creek to the City, hence the third platform which was used for turn back, but can't be now. Obviously now, the services have been improved somewhat and most of these intermediate services no longer exists, the Tonsley Line has been upgraded to Full Time, and extended to Flinders. Prior to Port Dock, certain peak services would terminate at Glanville to provide infill services, to allow the Outer Harbour to run a few more express services during peak periods.
It's so insane that Adelaide doesnt have a City Tunnel linking the north-south of the city, the network would actually be pretty effective with just a 3-4km tunnel allowing higher speeds, frequencies, bus interchange and more of the city to be served.
The Weatherill government tried to put a city loop on the plans back in 2016-2018, but the federal government wouldn’t fund it
@@LucyJrts that was for trams, im talking trainsssss
@@BigBlueMan118 there were plans for both, a tunnel would’ve connected the Gawler and Seaford lines, and the Outer Harbor with the Belair line, knocking out Mile End station entirely and adding new underground train stations at Hindmarsh Square, Victoria Square and Whitmore Square.
Pretty much the same thing as the Melbourne metro tunnel is doing for the Sunbury and Pakenham lines (I think it’s those two, might be wrong).
AdeLINK was the tram extension program, of which all we actually got was the botanic Gardens line
@@LucyJrts i dont actually think Belair should go into the tunnel I think it should remain going into Adelaide Terminal and convert the whole line to Standard Gauge. They have missed the boat on converting the rest of the network to Standard, should have done it with the electrifications.
@@BigBlueMan118idk about that. Electrification and expansion should be the two priorities, not gauge-conversion. Dual-gauging the lines into Adelaide would be good, so that standard-gauge trains can run out to Mt Barker and on the standard gauge line to Two Wells, and the Overland could come back into Adelaide instead of Keswick, but the rest of the network needs that money elsewhere (electrification of the Outer Harbor lines, station upgrades, Seaford to Aldinga expansion, duplication of Flinders and Grange, etc.)
Gauge-converting the whole network is pretty well bottom of the list of priorities. It’s just a minor convenience thing, doesn’t actually make a difference to everyday users.
As for the city loop… I really doubt that’ll ever happen, and personally I don’t think it’s necessary anyway.
all rail stations used to be magnificent, they used to be grand and flamboyant... now you get to Islington and you are left with nothing but an asphalt platform and maybe a box building or 2.
Rail used to be cherished
Still leagues better than Christie Downs! 😂
The majority of 3000/3100 railcars selected for hybrid conversion are built by Clyde, so while the Comeng design will last the units operating are generally Clyde. Easy to tell though, the Comeng units have recessed emergency brakes fully painted red while the Clyde units have a silver lever protruding from the mechanism with a black knob, inside the passenger saloon that is.
As someone for Melbourne, to me they look like the Comeng trains on the outside. Thanks for the extra info :)
@@StrayaTrains Yeah, the Comeng design was built to last. Still running after decades of service!
there's an even easier way to tell, the Comeng built trains, of which only three (3005, 3006, and 3007) are currently still in service, have not received an interior refresh, and also have what I call "Comeng Nooks" at one end.
0:56 RIP the CRT's at Box Hill showing departure times..
Can you do a complete walkthrough and sounds of the V/line sprinter? Not many transport UA-camrs actually make videos on them which is weird.
I think I once saw a 1 car 3000 in 2020?
Thanks for the suggestion!
@@DouglasDC10.30 It’s rare nowadays I think
@@StrayaTrains U could go on a Seymour or Stony Point trip and film it, it’s up to you.
Also I think the sprinters were based off the 3000 class railcars
That display at 0:49 displaying 10:56 Belair looks to be an Adaptive Microsystems 220c, the same as the EDI Comeng's internal PIDs.
The ones you see on the trains is that display in a custom enclosure. If you look closely at the font typeset it is the same!
Almost sounds like a HCMT when it takes off, maybe even bits of a Sprinter too. But you can definitely see and hear the Comeng influence.
The Comeng lost its pantograph!
Wait u can do blue comment on UA-cam?
We took your Comeng's and made them diesel... then we took your VLocitys and made them electric...
Just Adelaide being Adelaide... 😂
Lol
One of the notable things about the Adelaide "Comeng" trains is that they are diesel
i remember riding a single car Comeng in Adelaide on the Belair line a few years ago.
visiting adelaides rail network especially the main train station is like stepping back in time 40 years except everyone has phones lmao. surprised they dont have steam hauled loco's considering how old they are
Melbourne beat us to electrification by almost a hundred years 😂
@@LucyJrts and thats only half the network electrified too! epic fail
@@tangiers365 and now our transport minister wants to just scrap future electrification plans and buy another fleet of diesel hybrids instead… absolute twat!
Cool train video!😁
It's half correct to call them Comeng's to be fair. The design is Comeng but basically all the diesel trains in service besides 3 are Clyde built using comeng designs
Yep. Although as someone from Melbourne, they look like Comeng so that's how I see them
@@Planetrainguy I mean Melbourne had the “Hitachi” trains which weren’t actually built by hitachi at all, so it makes a lot more sense here! 😂
Only 3 comeng built units are in service, 3101 to 3108 are retired...only 3006, 3005 and 3007 are comeng built still in service
nice video
Port Dock... where a ship 🚢 docks next to a railway 🛤 station 🚉
Ah yes another version of the comeng, railcar 3000 in adelaide the only difference I noticed is the lights outside and no display saying where it is going on adelaide’s trains. I would say the railcar 3000 is mostly similar with the Alstom Comeng but without the door at the front and no desto display. Idk if I’m correct with some things but that’s what I would say in my opinion.
The 3000 series are only 1 car often paired with another 3000 series to make a 2 car train or a 3100 series to make a 3 car train
Very rare to see 3-car sets outside special events (and shunting operations setting up for peak hour runs). We never see single-car 3000's anymore, haven't since before Covid
Do they have a Comeng builder plate like the Melb ones do?
Didn't see one
@@StrayaTrainsthe older units have them but almost all operating today carry a Clyde builders plate near the emergency brake
6:00 from here it sound like a mix of hcmt and melbourne comeng
finally an adelaide video, nice job. funny as a two car comeng trains. what if they actually did a two car edi and alstom comeng in melbourne.
Are those station platform humps called Harriso Humps in Australia?
Not sure
Oops
. I meant Harrison humps.. that's what they are in the UK. First time I've see one in Australia.. enjoying your videos.. cheers
Harrington hump.. sorry
Surprised and disappointed you didn't do a walkthrough tour.
Coming later this year👀
@@StrayaTrains but you were already there. 😂
Interesting Melbourne perspective on Adelaide DMUs.
From a NSW point of view it's always funny to see a train type called a "Comeng". Historically, most of trains here were made by either Comeng or Clyde so using the manufacturer's name for one specific train type would be ridiculous.
Victoria also does this with the Hitachi (though their involvement in the train was limited) and the Siemens.
@@Soccera0 Indeed. Following that trend, Sydney Tangaras would be Mitsubishis, Milleniums would be Alstoms, and it'd be the Waratahs that'd be called Hitachis😄
@@peterelvery Though in Vic it's inconsistent. We have N sets, X'Traps, HCMTs, V/Locitys, and Sprinters.
What is ur other video on adelaide I can't find it
It’s the overland one I think
I'm not sure if I already asked this in another video, but I keep wondering if these Adelaide comeng are refurbished Melbourne comeng, or buit especially for Adelaide
Built new for Adelaide
NGL I wish the comeng had the cab design of the 3000 class. IDK why but the door in the face just makes it look better
I feel like most Adelaideans wish for the exact opposite! I FAR prefer your upgraded Comeng faces than ours!
@@LucyJrts As an Adelaidean I agree. The only trains to look good with them were the Redhens and Bluebirds.
@@Planetrainguy I think the British Rail Class 156/158 pull it off quite well too
would have saved you a lot of time if u walked from port dock to port adelaide station, for the OH line, also really cool you got to see both door boarding on the train at glanville, i havent dont that think it might be for the services that are added in morning and afternoon peak which terminate at glanville but i think theres only 2 or 3 a day
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Didn't think of that!
The Adelaide station PIDS do look a bit like EDI Comeng PIDs
Seats look a bit like siemens seats
Those trains have a higher top speed too
@@matthewnorman9803 speed limit on our network is 90kph though, and our stations are so close together you never even see 70 other than through Sleeps Hill, so it doesn’t really matter
Interesting! I guess Hybrid Diesel and Electric? Or something else?
Hybrid diesel electric.
Diesel powered with battery to supply power in stations allowing the primary power to be shut down.
Is this your first time in Adelaide?
Yes
They stole our name Croydon can't they have their own name 🤣🤣
Lol
@@shipsey2 If the suburb in Adelaide is Croydon, I wouldn’t think they will.
There’s like 3 or 4 different croydons in Australia lmao
Croydon is a London suburb too remember...
We also have Mitcham here in Adelaide.
these are hybrid trains
Wait what? All these "Hybrid" marks on the trains and you didn't find time to explain why / how they are hybrid?
half of their electricity is generated by batteries, and the other half is by diesel
Thanks for watching the entire video! This was made to enjoy Adelaide's railways. Another video is in the process of being made about the actual train itself
Our 3000/3100 class our diesel/electric. Previously just used the diesel engine to generate electricity to operate the traction motors similar to freight locomotives. The hybrid still do, but have the ability to power down the engine to lessen the emissions when at stationary at Adelaide Railway Station before commencing their next journey, it can even provide initial traction power before the engines cut in. Apparently, they have been more successful than first thought.
@@StrayaTrains unfortunately some idiot decided that they can’t possibly be “green” if they aren’t actually green… so they decided to paint a sodding ugly green stripe down an otherwise attractive railcar
@StrayaTrains Capital work... looking forward to it. Love your stuff.
2017
haha!! very silly
That's not a comeng
They are based off the Comeng
Oh nice
Nice, Adelaide be copying our trains lol but 2 not 3 cars
Our EMU's are based on VLocitys, and they're 3-car sets
Glanville station is a disgrace
@@Ryshe20 welp, the Ethleton upgrade should be done soon, hopefully Glanville will be next (and the less said about Draper and Midlunga the better!)
Mile End is an even more disgrace.
@@TheVoyagersTrainsAndThings my guy, Mile End is luxury compared to Christie Downs 😂