Autism and Scripting
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- No matter what we call it, you may already be familiar with this autism-related phenomenon. 🧠
What you might NOT be as familiar with is ✨how to respond✨ when someone recite a script you don’t understand. ⬇️
If I’m at a loss trying to interpret the meaning of someone’s script 🤔
I say one of two things:
1. What is that from?
2. It sounds like you’re thinking about [insert script topic] can you tell me more about that? 
If they’re able to most people are eager to “let you into their world” #autism #autistic #autismacceptance and help you understand the significance of the script. 💖
My daughter scripts all the time. I tell people it’s a bit like Bumblebee from Transformers, when he’s using songs on the radio to communicate. It’s not gibberish, but you do have to understand the context. Of course, she also can and does script entire Mickey Mouse episodes. Sometimes giving us all specific parts so that we too are part of the script. Literally. ❤
That’s a good example, thanks!
That's literally me. I speak in quotes from movies, books, comedians, song lyrics, memes, and comments I've read. It's a wide enough range that not everyone notices but i do it constantly. I have my own thoughts and ideas, but i need to borrow other people's words to say them.
I often feel my brain is like Bumblebee…I’ll get songs or phrases in my head and the decode them for the subconscious deeper understanding of the context. ❤
Why do we have to explain ANYTHING to others! All these ppl talking about "awareness" and professionals claiming to know so much when they really don't. How about accepting ppl for what they are, why do autistic ppl have to do everything to live in a world with neurotypicals. ( A world that is hard and torturing when it would be easier for neurotypicals not struggling to accept neurodivergents are just different! Respect them as you'd wished to be respected)
@@kellyallen2040While I do agree with you on that this world should definitely be more accommodating and accessible, even neurotypicals have to communicate to understand each other. 🙂
Legend has it Kaelynn is still walking in circles singing about taxidermy.
I gave a big speech on autism last week (it went very well, actually people are still talking about it apparently which is flattering and also mildly terrifying), and you were a big inspiration, so thanks for that :)
Aww, thank you so much, and congratulations on your speech! 💜
Wow that's cool k that your involved with this type of work good for you
Congratulations! I'm not on the spectrum (though I'm neurodiverse in a number of ways), but I can't public speak! That is a really awesome accomplishment. 😊
My understanding of scripting in autism is that it means the autist tends to spend an unusually large amount of time anticipating the various ways in which future conversations/interactions may pan out, and prepares several potential scripts to provide options for how they may respond in those interactions. Taking words or phrases from other sources (movies, books, other people) to use when you are struggling to find words is perhaps more accurately described as echolalia isn’t it? ✌️💕🌻
@@buttercxpdraws8101echolalia to my understanding does not serve the purpose of communication that scripting does. To me, echolalia is to release nervous/excited energy; scripting is to make sure I don’t fuck up talking (as badly lmao 🫠) which I guess is also associated w releasing anxiety with regard to the anticipation of communicating w others verbally. So, slight difference there. Though, scripting can (and for many, often does) include echolalia, now that I think about it, which is probably what Kaelynn meant
My brother was repeating song lyrics as his way of communicating his feelings. For instance, he kept repeating " its me, hi, im the problem its me". He doesn't like Taylor Swift, but i do. We thought it was echolalia from hearing it a lot but then we realized he was trying to communicate that he felt he was the "problem" that we were dealing with. It's very interesting living in a house of 3 autistic kids, me being one of them.
@@clamdove3292lol don't try to understand neurotypicals
@@tnix80 OC said they’re also autistic so, I don’t think that’s the issue 😹😅
@tnix80 Fam I think you may have astigmatism instead of autism 😂 that or the reading comprehension is just dogshit
It is echolalia. Echolalia can be communicative as well. I've honestly never heard scripting used to describe this behaviour. It's called interactive echolalia.
Interesting you said it was because of language deficits. I had a very close autistic friend, and they would often quote media or even past conversations. However, they had a great vocabulary and were able to express themselves precisely without scripting. I think in their case it was more of a social skills shortcut. They might not know all the social nuances of the thing they wanted to say, but turning it into a reference gave it a consistent emotional meaning.
seconding this. Sometimes a phrase is about communication something specific and sometimes it's more like a shiboleth. A way of proving the group or to yourself that you belong there.
this is how i feel and go about it!
I think I fit the scripting but mine isn't about using shows or movies, but more about just trying to plan out potential responses in conversation.
This is why I can't focus on getting ready for work, because my brain decides to have conversations that may never happen while I'm getting lunch ready.
Yes, that sounds like Asperger's or ASD 1. Typically, there is no language deficit present. In fact, you can usually expect the opposite, that being an unusually large and detailed vocabulary.
There's another option for people who use a lot of scripting but don't otherwise use spoken language much or at all:
Scripting can also just be the words that pop out of the person's mouth without the person's volitional control, and/or it may be the only words that are accessible to the person through speech.
This can be the case even though internally the person understands language very well and knows exactly what they want to say. These people don't necessarily have a language disability, but they do have autistic apraxia.
edit: I meant to point out that people have very little oral speech other than scripting can also be gifted with words and language, like your friend. I know of several nonspeaking autistics whose language abilities are well superior to mine (I'm a speaking autistic person). They just needed specific help and therapies for their apraxia to allow them to communicate the words that were inside them, with increasing independence.
It has never occured to me that this is an autism thing.
I basically have an entire language with a friend of mine where we talk to each other using references and quotes from stuff we’ve both watched or listened to - it can be literally anything.
It makes zero sense to anyone who’s not tuned in to our specific type of humor and reference catalogue, but we always understand each other, no matter how obscure or out of context it is, and we can often predict what the other is gonna say, because we were both thinking of the same quote, even though it shouldn’t make sense, but it just does.
My family (minus my mom, who never sat down to watch it with us) trades in *Red Dwarf* quotes; it's the place we pull the majority of our family quotes from, even to the point of calling siblings "smeghead" and such. I... have some reason to wonder if my dad is also Autistic, given his propensity for trigger topics and repetition and fixations, but I don't expect I will ever know for sure, as it makes little sense to try to get him tested at his age (70's), and he doesn't seem to have needed accommodations throughout his life, so it's likely to remain a question unanswered.
Red Dwarf is one of my favorite TV shows. ❤
my bf and I (both AuDHD) speak nearly in 50% a mix of memes and other references 😂
At least 10% is me going off on some lyric I was reminded of and another 10% is him doing that but with comics. It's nice 🥰
She did say it is not exclusively an autism thing. People without ASD do it too. It’s quite a common thing actually.
I did not mean to imply that it was EXCLUSIVELY an autism thing. The friend I refer to is actually not autistic (but does have OCD and ADD).
My Son's favorite for a long time was " Now that's a pizza". He seemed to say it whenever he had social anxiety. Public transportation and the supermarket was the toughest for him.
Completely understandable. Those are tough for me too.
That feels like a great way of expressing that something's a big ol' mess.
There is at least one aisle in the grocery store where that would be considered normal at least
I used to sing, ‘ya put the lime in the coke you nut’ and ‘here’s a little song I wrote, I want to sing it note for note’ and ‘take me to the water, put me in the river’ as part of my wake up and breakfast routine. My girlfriend at the time made it very apparent about how annoying it was. It hurt to see her so angry with me, but it hurt even more that I was no longer allowed to do what brought me such peace and joy and allowed me to prepare for the day.
That sucks she was so judgy abt it, dude. Seems like a delightful routine
I'd sing "Take me to the River" with you, friend! The bright side of her being an ex is that you're free to be yourself again. It wasn't you, it was her.
There's an episode in House MD where a patient sings this
Story Time! When I was growing up my grandmother had a pet parrot. Every time I saw her I would tilt my head, wink, whistle and say 'hi' and 'I love you' over and over for several minutes. The bird loved it! I only just realized that was a form of stimming for me! I've always said I love parrots and this adds a whole new dimension to that bond. That's so crazy!
This is such a cool story!
I have a big happy memory of a kid I used to look after who rarely interacted in a back and forth speech way, but seemed to repeat phrases only for his own reasons - I woke him up for school and he repeated a line from a show he liked, "fast asleep in bed!" and rolled over and away from me. 😆 I was so delighted. Also I loved that sleep was so important to him that he needed to communicate directly, verbally, to me right then. I felt that bigtime.
Thats such a sweet memory 😭 thank you for sharinf
I’ve been using sitcom scripts to help me around small talk. Recently Gilmore Girls has helped me look more sociable and normal. I also learned how to react to things bc of the show. Things don’t come naturally to me in what to say or do. In fact my default would be to stay still, it takes me a while to think of ANYTHING to say even if I wanted to. Scripting is the best!
This is SO smart
I went to highschool with someone on the spectrum who would always quote cartoons like this. I always recognized his quotes and thought it was cool we liked the same shows. Dude could play the piano better than anyone our age. Bless him!
Your explanations always make me give an internal “ohhhh” of understanding about myself…
I’ve been doing this literally my whole life, even with movies/tv I haven’t seen because my parents have been doing it THEIR whole lives, recently I’ve been thinking they might both be on the spectrum too which makes a lot of sense
I’m not diagnosed fully (but at least 90 percent certain I have ASD), I know I have ADHD, and I script EVERYDAY! I pull quotes from movies, TVshows, books and various other sources to help with relating to certain situations, people and my environment. It helps with my communication skills because I fit in better with people without having to use originality. I am horrendous at communicating and I find it incredibly difficult to get my point across, so using this method helps me enormously with ice breaking and also getting to know people, and allowing them to get to know me. Especially when I use this technique as a tool to show my personality without giving away too much.
Thank you for further demonstrating how I use d&d as therapy. I've played a Kenku, which is a creature that communicates by parroting things they've heard. It was a lot of fun, even if it had some complications.
yes, I love Kenku for exactly this reason! I love getting to lean into the scripting and echolalia as part of a character!
Wow! This makes so much sense. My husband quotes shows ALL the time. At first I thought it was a fun way to connect - kind of a game. We both looked forward to new episodes, watched them together, and then used phrases in our talking.
Later, when he kept using the phrases in front of others, I figured that he was trying to get other people hooked on the show as well.
I do something similar, I get VERY enthusiastic about my interests and then try to force them on others because I want them to also feel the joy! (Yes I have ADHD)
But when he kept doing it in front of our children, it started to bother me. It felt like an inside joke to exclude them. I didn't like that I constantly had to explain to a confused little face "that's from a show daddy likes. No you can't watch it, it's not for kids." It felt very mean, and it's not like he even likes that show anymore. He never watches it. To me, it seems like a deliberate attempt to poke a stick into the bicycle of conversation. I'm confused why he thinks it's funny when he's the only one who's laughing.
But now that you explain this, that's EXACTLY what he's doing.
MINE TOO. Drives me INSANE now that we have a son 😂. I have the ADD... and I keep telling him, "hey, you know, I don't think you're neurotypical."
@@SueEmery-pq8tb I thought he had ASD about 2 years before I dared to bring it up with him, and then he took 2 more years to process that idea and one day he comes to me and says, "I'm starting to think that I'm autistic"
😬 🤐
@@er6730Personally, I avoided even looking at symptoms for women/girls for a long time, before I got to a point where I could actually process it.
This was me as a child…I still do this with my animals, where I can truly be myself…I make up songs and use the same phrase or tune to talk to them. It’s all just a spectrum, through and through. 😊 I tell parents/caregivers that the kids borrow language until they have their own; they are trying to connect and understanding the context. It’s just normal development and communication. That doesn’t mean it’s “bad” or something to get rid of or something “concerning”. Thank you for posting your content.
I feel like I'm pretty good at social scripting, but I've always struggled with using truly spontaneous speech. Like I can sort of write new scripts on the fly, but I still have to pause to write them first before I can speak.
Yeah I feel this way too. I always described it like English was my second language, and I never had a first one.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!! I never knew the words to describe what I was thinking or feeling until I saw your videos and video’s from creators like you. If it wasn’t for you I might never have realized that I’m probably autistic too. You are a gift to this world
I used to check the same cassettes out from the library so often that I have them basically memorized (including the cassette version of *He-Man and She-Ra: The Secret of the Sword* (the animation for which I only saw much later)). I used to push on my belly button to change tunes in my head. I say certain words because they feel nice (e.g. I love "aesthetic"), and others because they help short-circuit negative thought spirals. I rehearse dialogue from movies, shows, and fanfics in my head, repeating the same lines over and over, and trying to make natural head-movements and expressions and such. I go over conversations I've been through and try to suss out patterns or places where they went wrong. There's a lot of repetition in my viewing habits and it *is* comforting.
There are so many things I run across where I've never really thought of them as weird (despite understanding *myself* to be weird, from an early age), but having come to the conclusion that Autism-ADHD is likely, I'm now reconsidering a lot of details about things I've done my whole life and whether they're actually additional data for this hypothesis or not.
"casually nests parenthetical phrases in informal writing" is a pretty good pretty good indicator.
Source: me, a diagnosed autistic* and fellow parentheses-nester** ✊️😄
* specifically asperger's -- yeah it's... been a while since my diagnosis 😅
** actually, i usually go out of my way to avoid nested parentheses when communicating with others, but that happens often enough that upon seeing your nested parentheticals i was struck with a "hey i do that!"
I love how you are joyfully yourself. I feel like I have lost that. I hope that I regain that some day.
I think the only time I ever do this is with one of my shows that I happen to share with my sister. We both love quoting the episodes, she remembers entire dialogues though, I only remember individual lines, but we have a lot of fun quoting it back and forth and our mom just laughs at us (in a loving way)
I work as a special education aide, and some of the students I work with primarily use scripting to communicate! One thing I've learned is that some students really like when you script back to them, even if you don't know what they are quoting. In a school setting we focus a lot on functional communication, but sometimes when you get into scripting back and forth you start to realize it can be functional in a sense! It just may take a little extra decoding ✨ and then when you meet the student where they're at, they may be more willing to communicate with you in general 💚
@LTeeeeeeeee
Do you know about when scripting is non-communicative? There's a young autistic man called Damon Kirsebom who talks about this on his youtube channel. A lot of his oral speech is scripting which he doesn't intend and which he has great difficulty controlling. (e.g. he talks about repetitively repeating phrases to do with Thomas the Tank even though he's not interested in Thomas the Tank Engine and doesn't want to talk about that topic.
He and others with similar experiences describe it as very frustrating: because of their minimal speech they are not able to clarify when the words they've said were just automatic and not intentional. One example mentioned often is that the person has little control over whether "yes" or "no" comes out their mouth, but people assume their spoken language is what they want to say and they end up frustrated, e.g. with food they did not want to order or doing activities they don't want to do or not being included when they wanted to be).
Damon is a nonspeaking/unreliably-speaking autistic man and is now able to communicate by typing independently on a keyboard, after working for years and getting help for his severe apraxia to get the motor patterns needed into his muscle memory.
He has a youtube channel if you're interested to learn more.
and they end up frustrated, e.g. with food they did not want to order or doing activities they don't want to do or not being included when they wanted to be).
Damon is a nonspeaking/unreliably-speaking autistic man and is now able to communicate by typing independently on a keyboard, after working for years and getting help for his severe apraxia to get the motor patterns needed to visually scan the alphabet grid and to point to the necessary letters into his muscle memory (starting with letterboards).
He has a youtube channel if you're interested to learn more.
I gotta know where this marvelous taxidermy/marsh treasure song came from
Thank you! This is what my daughter does all the time and my son does it to though far less as a teenager. Your videos really help me understand the world of autism and has helped me connect with my children better. I now understand them.
I’ve always scripted and it’s honestly so cathartic to watch your videos and realise I’m not completely crazy/alone. Same with stimming which I just naturally hide now and have no idea how to present in a way that would be in any way tangible to an adult audience as a heterosexual male. I’m 32 and very late to the party but your channel helps me make sense of a lot of my behaviour and I appreciate that 😊
Insightful! One of my kiddo's at church would repeat "We'll be back at business!" Over and over in a very specific cadence. I'm not certain if it's because she was uncomfortable and trying to soothe, but I figured she'd taken it from a show ☺️ I'm excited to learn more about how her brain works!
@alexbrimhall3577 There's another possibility and that is that it could be automatic speech (non-intentional speech). Several nonspeaking autistic people talk about experiencing this. A lot of the words that come out of their mouths don't match what they actually want to say. This can be a bit like the tics in tourette's but the person can't clarify and say "oops, i didn't mean to say that".
There is also the possibility that it is intentional and/or soothing as you have said and as Kaelynn mentioned in the video. But another posibility is that it is speech that just pops out of the person's mouth and doesn't match what they want to say.
Damon Kirsebom talks about experiencing speech like this. He has a youtube channel if your interested in learning more about this kind of autistic experience.
I am riddled to my core with ADHD diagnosed at age 6 and it’s been a huge part of my life I enjoy your videos learning ALOT :) keep creating
Thank you for spelling this out. I am at my most comfortable when I'm allowed to use phrases from stand up routines whenever I want. My husband has always tolerated my "random references" but now he fully gets why I do them.
Yep, never knew the word for this - the closest I could get was a echolalia which does sometimes apply to me, but doesn't describe all these different things. Thanks, K ❤
I've always gotten ear worms really severely from music, to the point where I don't listen to music as often as I would like because of the way it incessantly ping pongs around in my brain involuntarily. I was diagnosed with autism and ocd two years ago as well. I never considered that maybe they are related, but this seems like it would maybe be considered a similar term as scripting? Do you know if there's a specific word for that other than ear worm? To where it's like really prolonged and gets in the way of your regular train of thought?
I have also always had the uncanny ability to pull a line from Spongebob, and then later in life, The Office, to fit a situation almost every day of my life. It is a bit funny how it comes out of nowhere; at no point do I ever think "let me find a reference to fit this" or anything, it just spews into consciousness. Brains are really amazing things.
I don't have an answer for you but I deal with the exact same thing with the music. It's so frustrating. I want to listen to music then. I'm like, no, because I'm bored with my music because I hear it in my head all day.
I have this too! I had the same song stuck in my head for years as a kid and I was so relieved when it was finally replaced. I will often pick a relaxing song to try to sing myself to sleep, otherwise I'll have some obnoxious song keeping me up.
Is that why I say “when the impostor sus” when I’m embarrassed 😂
I make a lil awkward turtle with my hands when I'm embarrassed 😂
So is this what like "spoken memes" are...? Where you gotta say a whole phrase when a word sparks the memory of it?
Sometimes! 😁
Does anyone know what she’s quoting with the treasures of the marsh and taxidermy worm? I want to find whatever that show or song is and watch it. Haha
Ok, I subscribed, because you make many short videos and get the issue described quickly. The ADHD part likes that...
The whole "I can see my house from here" is too relatable 😂😭😭
The amount of rom coms I watched growing up ruined my script. Now I just treat everyone like I'm flirting with them.
I do that with songs lyrics, I like to explain that as my internal jukebox's starting on it's one. Any word, sentence, move, object or situation can trigger it, so sometimes it can realy make it out of contexte 😅
That explains why I start singing random TV commercial jingles. Tylenol commercial slogan "Get back to normal, whatever your normal is", random Barbie commercial jingles from the 90s, the Pull-ups jingle. This helped me so much! Thank you 😅
You KNOW you’re in the right channel when someone pulls up your very clearly neurodivergent interest! 0:26
Obscure cult classic movie called Chicken in the Shadows" has a song about biscuits. When I see biscuits on a menu or in a grocery store I cant stop myself from singing "Taste the Biscuits" I try to sing it under my breath, but it makes me so happy. I keep hoping someone who knows the song will join in one day.
I love this! I have similar experiences and wishes, just with different songs. I hope you get your moment of shared song. I can imagine it would be a really beautiful and connecting experience. Either way, you deserve to sing things that make you happy and I hope you keep letting yourself have that.
I love having friends who are into the same things I am, because they get all my scripting references and I get theirs. Sometimes I'll start saying a quote to self soothe and my gf will say it with me, and other times I'll be watching something and go "wait a minute, *that's* why always says this in the exact same tone!"
Thank you for this!! The tips in the description were really helpful too. I love your videos :)
I'm so glad! 🥰
Finally someone who talks about it !
In my case, I repeat many times a quote more because I feel this one interesting, sounds really good or even cool.
I do this since youth and I don't feel bad about it...
I loved the taxidermy song! I also wondered how can an egg or worm be taxidermied... dried maybe? :)
I do this so much! I never knew there was a term for it, though. I tend to copy phrases and words I learned from TV shows and books I read as a kid, along with gestures.
I used to repeat quotes from Anne of Green Gables during playground/friend interactions because it helped me give voice to certain social interactions from a character who is, initially, considered an outsider, and I think I was also testing whether or not the words "fit" or even "passed."
Autism/ADHD kid here. Been repeating a bunch of lines from Scott pilgrim vs the world recently
Wholesome 100, but don’t let it ruin you like a whole generation of women.
I'm neurotypical but I script a lot as a soothing mechanism. I only do it aloud while I'm alone or with someone who I really trust. I do it a lot in my head though, especially when I hear a word or sentence that really "feels" right. It gives me a lot of happiness and a feeling of calm to put it on repeat. Totally understand why folks with all types of brains feel urged to do this. My cousin does it due to his difficulty with self produced speech. He was non-verbal for a long time and I find it's truly a treasure that scripting has allowed us to communicate better. It's also a behavior that I feel bonded to him over, because I imagine maybe we are feeling something similar. ❤
Thank you for summing that up! It makes it easy to remember and keep in mind when my daughter scripts
I tend to script in as many contexts as possible. Although, for me, it's less a matter of borrowing and memorizing lines from movies and shows, though of course I quote things pretty frequently. For me, it's more often just planning ahead on my own scripts and then just attempting to simply "run program" whenever and wherever I can. Usually this is perceived by others as "being articulate", when in reality, it is more like "me just parroting myself". When I am truly speaking "on the fly" (improving in real-time), I'm usually do a lot more ums and "stop to reload"s and so on.
I have always done this! I thought I was weird for it. I find myself saying the same things over and over again, even really random stuff I’ve heard. I watch certain UA-cam videos that make me laugh and I will become fixated on certain things someone has said or even a random noise they make in the video and I’ll keep imitating it. Sometimes people look at me like I am crazy but it’s just what I do.
Scripting is a critical adaptation mechanism for me. I've pretty much built up a set of "cached" responses for common situations (such as "how are you?", Friday/Wednesday references, etc.) that I can quickly use if I need them. Otherwise I need more time to think it through properly, else I'll just end up pausing or using fillers every 2 seconds. Especially any topic requiring deep analysis such as programming discussions.
Scripting is pretty helpful for me, didn't know there was a word for it.
I usually talk to myself in private LITERALLY writing a story script in my head to make an interesting scenario I can picture.
Imagine two characters in the story fighting, or arguing etc.
Sometimes I get so lost in thought that I forget certain words in my script or I end up having a certain sentence structure milling around in my head until it sounds right and the moment I screw up I have to do it again because I forget the sequence, it's a great benefit in my eyes because I get to be as imaginative as I was as a kid, now I'm 23 but with a larger and more elaborate vocabulary to script with.
I do this all the time, every day. For me, i think its mainly to try and prepare myself for the conversations i might be having in the future.
GREAT SCOTT! That was interesting. JUST WAVE AND SMILE, BOYS.
Yeah man this is heavy!
My best friend and I almost exclusively communicate this way in our day-to-day interactions. We quote tv, pop culture moments that we specifically bonded over, people we know with that always said a certain word or phrase they said often, inside jokes, vines, even sounds. I think to an extent a lot of people do this as well, regardless of their neurotype, however, I can’t say I’ve met anyone neurotypical who communicates like we do. I mean, when I say “almost exclusively,” I am being 100% genuine😂. Like we can have a whole, meaningful conversation with maybe four independently coherent sentences/phrases and a collection of noises and nonsensical words that make no sense to other people.
It helps when you have people who can mesh well with your brand of neurodivergence.
I would really really like the taxidermy marsh song on repeat to listen to. It was really soothing and enjoyable to hear this and I may or may not have listened to the beginning and end of the video several, several times 😬
My lifelong best friend and my father are on the spectrum, videos like these help me to understand and appreciate them fully. Thank you for making these! ✨️💛
My beautiful soul Emma scripts, saving to share rather than explaining what scripting is since you did such a phenomenal job explaining scripting 👍😁
Thank you 🙏 beautiful soul for doing all that you do aiding other beautiful souls along their journeys by having the courage to educate the masses about Autism. I appreciate 🙏 you.
There's another type of scripting and that is when the speech is unintentional and doesn't match what the person really wants to say. Two people who talk about experiencing this are Damon Kirsebom and Danny Whitty. And they both have presence on youtube as well as elsewhere online. Danny was interviewed by Dr Barry Prizant, authour of Uniquely Human on his podcast for example.
They are autistic men with apraxia who communicate their thoughts through spelling via typing independently on a keyboard (Damon) or a combination of pointing to letters on a letter board and speech (Danny. He can read aloud what his spelled).
That time i basically memorised an entire movie script and recited it to myself to help me get to sleep when i was younger makes a bit more sense now
I do this all the time! What's the difference between scripting and echolalia? I do both
I’ve heard them both used interchangeably, I think it just depends.
In my mind, scripting is delayed, and echolalia is immediate. However, some people say “delayed echolalia”, and I think that’s fine too. Basically the same thing 😁🤷🏼♀️
@@Kaelynnism I use "scripting" to mean repeating speech as a communication tool, and "echolalia" to mean repeating sounds (including speech) for stimming/self-soothing/self-regulation. Interesting to hear how you use the same language differently!
@@KaelynnismWhat I've mostly heard used in autism-related contexts, and what makes the most sense to me based on the meanings I'm familiar with in more general contexts, is that "scripting" is pre-planning a stressful interaction ahead of time, or repeatedly using the same self-composed wording (or at least with less variation than among neurotypicals) for a common interaction, while "echolalia" is the unusual repetition of utterances, usually those heard from others. Delayed echolalia is echolalia where the utterance repeated didn't just occur in the present conversation. I'd say there's fairly broad overlap between the "common situation" variant of scripting and delayed echolalia, with the primary differences being whether the utterance is self-composed and the purpose (scripting generally has a specific goal in mind, while delayed echolalia may just be for fun).
I basically do all of these.
@@JonBraseYeah I literally script entire conversations in my head or will actually write myself a script to follow if I have to speak. That's what I always thought scripting was!
@@JonBraseThat's also my understanding for scripting as well. To me scripting will always mean 'creating or using a script'
Honestly I've been calling my incessant need for references "me being annoying again" but that's a neutral statement for me so it's not as bad as it sounds 😅
Interesting. I'm not autistic but I also do this. I tend to recite sentences I heard in movies when I'm alone. Sometimes I say them with an accent and try different accents. I think I've just been alone for too long.
THIS IS WHY I KEEP REPEATING SENTENCES FROM MUSICS AND CARTOONS AND SERIES AT RANDOM SITUATIONS
I actually do this but generally I do it in a way where the people I'm saying to won't get it ( depending on who they are ) I've broken up with 2 toxic girlfriends who mentally abused me by doing this and I found it quite hilarious. They'd turn on me and make everything my fault when I'd already had enough and say that we're broken up and I'd just say " I know we are"... " I decided that " which is a line from an anime but it just made it that much more funny to me. Only found your channel recently and I think it's awesome
I'm autistic but don't do this much, my daughter however does (she's 4), so much thanks for the explanation.
I have something that I do that I don’t really understand… I sometimes will randomly hand people an invisible potato and say “here’s a potato” or some variant of that. Sometimes I even will describe the potato. (Salty, twice baked, cheesy, small, solid gold. Etc).
It’s not exactly scripting? But this video opened my eyes a bit as to why I do that, because “self-soothing or compensating for communication deficits” perfectly explains the way I use the potato. I didn’t even realize until now that thats why, but it totally is. I can force myself not to hand someone a potato if it isn’t socially appropriate (like to my boss at work). But if I do hand you a potato, it is likely either because I want to say something but don’t have other words, or if I am anxious in some way and want to relieve some stress, or even if I am trying to ask for help and don’t know how. Either way, it is a way that I express myself, and coming to terms with that without feeling embarrassed has been a huge relief in my late diagnosed autistic journey. And I am learning to just embrace it. Turns out, some people actually love the potato, abba have been really understanding about it. One autistic community even encourages it. I didn’t realize how comforting it is until I was able to start doing to whenever I pleased.
after you explained some points about scripting it just reminded me of Bumblebee from transformers borrowing words from a radio to speak because he couldn't speak normally.
I talk about my gestalt clients' language in terms of them saying English words (or relevant language as different) but not speaking English and that the linguists in their lives have to help translate the scripts so communication barriers are broken down and they can advocate for themselves more successfully.
Me and my mom and even my maw-maw (maternal) do/did that. Mares eat oats and does eat oats and little lambs eat ivy! From a 1940s song. But I know you're going to. From Grumpy Cat's Worst Christmas Ever: the movie!! I can't believe you done this. From an internet meme, mimicking the accent and tone of voice and all! Whether spontaneous vocal stim or applied usage of known string of words, my maw-maw, my mom, and me have said these things, respectively.
"I can't believe you've done this" is one my bf & I (both AuDHD) use too. Something about that delivery gets me every time 😂
We speak in a lot of memes and references. Especially Spongebob references lol
@@sourgreendolly7685 oh yes, me too. I just have cats, so they're the only ones who get my Keith-code regularly (my name is Keith). Yesterday or the day before, Nessa reacted to me saying "silly goose," as I call her and her sister Mia that in a particular stimmy tone of voice. She sat up and made biscuits whilst looking at me.
This is an incredible video! The topic is very important, and all the visual additions and examples from real videos really help with the explanations!
I don't know if I'm neurodivergent or not, but regardless these videos help a LOT. Thank you so much for making them.
Your channel is very helpful for my little portfolio im gonna give to my parents as a way of asking for an eval. I think I’ve got about 650 words going for me.
Was just diagnosed about 3 months ago so I'm in my learning phase. My only response to this video was
Oh.
Well, this explains a lot, there are so many obscure references that have made their way into my normal speech patterns. I was actually thinking about some the other day, trying to remember where they came from (they’re from Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss)
having to process the world one activity at a time must be hard I've spent too much time seeing these people and at the end they just can't combine multiple brain processing at the same time they need to actively be thinking on one or at much two activities and this is for really simple stuff like thinking in your mind, speak, walk, keep balance, upper and lower limbs movement, interpreting facial gestures, thinking on an appropriate tone or organizing ideas things that for us is just done automatically by our brain in them each one is separated and consume resources so if they try to combine some of them they end up loosing control one one or all so they try to hide because they know that for complex task that involves actively thinking, walking, dealing with language, interpreting peoples intention, or other more simple they will fail or take too much time or effort. Sad misconception all good traits to it are just brain adaptation mechanism like enhance long term memory or organizing objects and information are just to help them with short or working memory impairments because they need to make info easier so they can handle it at least for activities that don't require too much of that cognitive processes at the same time they can lose all control over their environment or other activities also time so they think intense focus is his ability but little realize that it's little attention is being consumed by a single activity or topic and not realizing they lost all day and didn't even learn the material in a meaningful way since that requires interpreting and they can just read and well they end up forgetting almost all. Hopefully one day they will realize and stop this from continuing ending their lives. feel free to ask almost all traits are explain by this anyway. Just ask and end your
Oh my goodness my baby cousin would ONLY quote the “Cars” movie until he was like 7 years old. It all makes sense😭 It’s a little funny but also this was seriously helpful
my scripting is for sure camoflauged, almost all of my neurodivergent traits have been ignored, punished or insulted for the past several decades so I've gotten very good at masking. unfortunately, i don't have much energy for it so i almost completely isolated myself from the outside world at this point
I had to tell my mom to stop talking this morning. "too many words" was all i could say. my brain was completely broken because my sublocade injection efficacy had worn down 3 weeks prior and i suffered it out to the date I was supposed to because of the doctor that committed malpractice on me that put me in the pain state that required that drug in the first place, always punished me for being a burden on her clinic. so the state of withdrawal and intense agony i was in had me completely incapable of processing any of the questions or statements and only adding agony and stress to the pile.
even after i got the injection, I still had to tell her I could only process a small amount of words at that point so asking questions was still out of the question.
Thank you for this video! I teach in an inclusion classroom with several students who have autism. One stims and scripts pretty much all day erryday and has taken me time to understand why!
well i will be peppering that little diddy into my daily scripting.
I took notice that when I play games and stumble across a word that’s unfamiliar to me, I observe context clues to understand what that word means or even outright Google the meaning if I have to. I felt I’ve been able to expand on my vocabulary that way
I know it’s not the point of the video, love the video btw you explain things so well, but Aahh I wish I had a nice open space like that to pace around in. Pacing is something both me and my older brother do to think, relax, or regulate emotions. We mostly have to do this outside though so we don’t have to dodge a million things in our house (5 adults in a smallish house causes chaos storage). *Problem is!* Nature is sometimes against us when we need to pace outside (and also I can feel the neighbors watching sometimes and I don’t like being perceived when I’m trying to be alone with my thoughts omg I hate it help)
You're lucky to live in an environment where doing it is accepted and not forced to be quiet.
I often quote things like "touch purple" or "shwing" to stim and I'm glad I'm not alone
That's the wow
Your videos make me feel so much better about being ADD. Knowing other people relate to how I feel and think is comforting. And knowing I won’t “grow out of it” but that’s okay!
Im so glad things have shifted since I was in school, back then you were considered an outsider for having odd quirks and stuff but nowadays it’s very accepted, the autistic kids can be very popular. Thats definitely new in society. Its nice. And with the way that more and more people are being born everyday with these personality traits it’s becoming more and more normal. I was actually thinking that eventually being neurodivergent will actually be the new neurotypical.
I definitely say "bring it arounnnnd town" every time the situation calls for it 😂
My most frequent script is, “Cheese and rice!” I say it several times a day and even use it in written communication. Sometimes, I’m met with confusion, which leads me to remember that not everyone knows what it means or where it originated.
For those curious, it originated from a webseries I’ve been hyperfixated on for 33 months and is a substitute for the “Jesus Christ” exclamation. I especially latched onto it after rejecting Christianity in favor of atheism a few months after I first watched the series.
i love scripting/mimicking so much!!! i feel like i do motion scripting (which i guess is technically stimming), like i mimic characters’ movements and stuff…??? for example i was super into criminal minds august-december 2022 and picked up both reid’s squinting and his nose scrunch!! definitely helps that he’s pretty obviously autistic too lol
I like how you say "in my little corner of the autism world". I feel like it's important that we stay open-minded and realise that most of us are in little bubbles of similar thinking people these days. I appreciate your perspective being different to the majority online autistic community.
I can think of one type of scripting was not covered in this video. That is: non-communicative scripting (maybe scripting isn't the right word for this but I have heard it labelled scripting) -- phrases that pop out but that don't match what the person wants to say.
Damon Kirsebom* talks about experiencing this. He wrote about how he often recites phrases from or about Thomas the Tank engine, despite not being interested in Thomas the Tank and not wanting to say these phrases (and the frustration that comes with unreliable speech / being so easily misunderstood).
(*Damon is a young unreliably-speaking autistic man who now communicates by typing independently on a keyboard, after years of practice on letterboards and with various levels support needed for his severe purposeful motor and regulation challenges)
Several other autistics who communicate by spelling talk about being unreliably speaking (lack of control over what comes out of their mouth -- some of what they say with their mouths is intentional, but a lot isn't. Some can read what they've written aloud, or are working on this skill):
Gregory Tino, Danny Whitty, Ian Nordling, Matteo Musso are some more examples of people who've written/talked about this communication challenge.
It's echolalia.
@@LangkeeLongkee Do you mean that non-intended / automatic repetitive speech, like that described by Damon Kirsebom and Gregory Tino (two unreliably speaking autistic men with severe apraxia), is echolalia?
@@ramblyk1 there's different types of echolalia. What is described in this video and your comment, personally I've never heard called scripting before. I know scripting as a form as masking where you rehearse conversations with people to avoid social awkwardness.
However yes, there's interactive echolalia and non interactive echolalia. Interactive can be used in regular conversation, to make a request or a response, as long as its an attempt to communicate yeah. Non-interactive encompasses self soothing behaviour and automatic speech, yes. There's other minor categories under the two main ones
@@LangkeeLongkee Ah OK. Yes, that's more like how I usually use the word scripting too.
Though I know that at least Damon Kirsebom used 'scripting' as a label for some of the repetitive automatic speech he has (in his video: reframing severe autism).
I'm not as familiar with interactive echolalia. I think most of mine is automatic and can be pretty frustrating to me, even though I can usually clarify that I didn't mean to say what I said. But I've heard others speak positively about their echolalic speech. Like Emma Zurcher-Long, for example...
ed: it's usually frustrating to me when I'm trying to converse with other people and I feel it gets in the way. It can also be fun though, especially when I'm just talking to my cat.
Starlings are fascinating, it's amazing how they can make speak and mimic so well! The fact that we have wild birds with this ability just flying around is so cool
The way ur singing the taxedermy song is so stimmy I keep listening to it lol
Omg! Is this why I have over 3000 songs memorized? And when a new catchy song comes out it just sticks
taxidermy worm sounds like a fun phrase lol
Oh God, my whole family does this. My sister was diagnosed as a kid and I only got my diagnosis this year! Ok I’m freaking out. Just add this to the pile of obvious behaviors indicating I was autistic my entire life.
My most favorite script was a little ditty a made up to help me get through the day I had to file my taxes. It’s been eight months and there are no more taxes to file but it’s still soothing!
Im glad that they didnt enable my stibbing ,outbursts , catch phrases and eye contact issues growing up or id be acting way more wierd and annoying than i already do.
Now I’m going to have taxidermy worm stuck in my head forever 😂 but I like it!
this is echolalia and it's a form of scripting but scripting can mean different things too, usually it's just writing a script in your head in advance for certain social situations so you wont have to think of things to say on the spot. this is something many autistic people do often in their daily life but it's also common for everyone to do in some situations, for example if you're planning to break up with someone, or you wanna confess something, call someone out on something or break some very bad news to someone. when you're planning to have a difficult and stressful conversation you're likely to think about it a lot and kinda plan it out, think of the right things to say in advance if you dont trust your ability to let the words come naturally in the moment that well. this can either be a fully written and memorized script or it can just be going over key points, memorizing some phrases you absolutely want to say. for many autistic people we do this even in situations that aren't uniquely stressful because we just arent that good at coming up with the right words to say on the spot. there's autistic people (and also for example people with a lot of social anxiety or both) who script almost every social interaction they can, who ruminate on thousands of different things someone might ask them or say to them and plan their reactions to it. this usually comes from regret about previous interactions, like when you lie awake thinking about that argument you lost and suddenly thinking of all the right things you should've said but it's too late now. autistic people are more likely to experience this a lot due to poor social skills so then it's natural to start planning what to say more often and treat life like a speech exam to prevent future regret, it gives you a sense of security and takes away some of the stress related to social situations. i do this less now than when i was a kid, i still have certain scripts i usually stick to when it comes to small talk or comforting people because i'm very bad at it, i also sometimes kind of script my therapy sessions in advance when i want to talk about something specific, and some other situations too. but im too much of a maladaptive daydreamer who's always thinking about characters in my head to think about my own life a lot if that makes sense, i find that for myself it gives me less stress to just not think about these things too much and kind of try to wing my social interactions and if i fail i will deeply regret it every time i think back on it for the rest of my life, but i try to push these feelings and thoughts away as much as i can by just hiding in the magical world in my head