This is the oldest lock mechanism ever discovered.
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- In this video we'll be recreating the oldest known lock mechanism and its unusual key with 3D Printing. How does it work? Watch to find out!
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That method of lock picking is still valid today. Also, thanks to your video, it reminded me to go look for my lock pick set!
"Who would want to carry around bunch of those wooden toothbrushes?"
Hipsters.
The Last Phoenix me😂
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This reminds me of the lockpicking mini game from Oblivion. In order to pick a lock you had to push a row of single pins up. Except, like you said, those were springloaded and used on portables like chests. Very neat and interesting idea!
With the addition of correctly sprung pins, 2 part pins and some security pins there is no reason why it wouldn't be as secure as a modern pin lock. Just some what bulkier. If you added fake holes and blocking pins (that block the lock if they are pushed up) you could have a pretty safe lock against picking.
Yale copied the design, so that isn't a shock. His son, the famous one, Linus Yale Jr, added the idea of a shearline, and bingo, ~200 years later I still buy them in bulk for people's doors!
Very cool, your dad was right, I love seeing mechanisms working.
Picks just like a modern lock :)
Da Hai Zhu
Picks just like a Master lock 😉
I wonder if BosnianBill could defeat it? :-)
Tin2001 since the pins are non linear it is actually harder to pick then a master lock. Also since there are no protruding pins you can't rake this lock while raking is the fastest way to open a master lock.
you have to take into account the size of the lock. it's large enough that it's not too difficult to find the pins.
I don't think that would be too hard to downsize with modern tech.
1:44
Oh, so THAT'S how the locks in Elder Scrolls IV work.
So just Skyrim.
@@stpidstuff *Oblivion. Elder Scrolls V is Skyrim and uses pretty modern locks. Pretty much the same as in Fallout 4 btw.
*Oblivion flashbacks*
oh man I played that game way to much lol
Oblivion was the best tutorial on lock picking you can actually find
One of your best videos! Dad had an excellent idea!
Literally my first thought when you were talking about collinearity was "just make the pins different heights" and then I realized that's how they work now.
My favorite thing about that style of lock is that with some versions you had to reach through a hole to insert your key and if it wasn't the right one it could chop off your hand. that's how you get a lock to stay secure.
My entire adult life so far has been telling my Dad that an idea of his is dumb, and then finding out the hard way that he was right. You are not alone. I think it might even be a phase of growing up that we all have to suffer at some point.
Tell your dad this was a cool idea!
My other hobby is building & picking locks & have plans to demonstrate lock design with 3d printing at local Middle School. This is right up that alley. Thanks for a great video Angus!
Now here's another idea, instead of the bolt sliding out left - right, could it slide out towards you? For instance, if it was a door lock, you could make the bolt attached to the door and the body attached to the frame. When the door swings closed, it locks because the pins fall into place. You slide a key in the front, lift up, and pull. The pins work the same way, you just remove the bolt differently.
Also, could you incorporate pins like in a traditional tumbler today? Such as the pins being in both the body and in the bolt, and they have to be raised a specific amount to separate in the middle and allow you to remove the bolt? Then the tines of the key would have to be specific lengths and it would be harder (but still not impossible by any means) to pick.
I'm not an avid 3D modeler otherwise I would help, but these are just some ideas!
urmonator i was thinking the same thing as soon as i saw the design. In line or staggered pins, with alternating height, in a modern barrel lock, with much smaller keys, /could/ see the end of bump keys and hacked key printing. Would kill to see someone really take this idea to the next level
the difficulty with doing it the way you are describing is that all of the pressure would be on the tumblers and would very quickly wear out the lock. it would work for a sliding door however.
cool video! on my gonna print list
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I like how you teach us history while making 3d prints
I love these videos. Reslly like how you break down the old tech, reconstruct it and then use your knowledge of design to improve on the existing principle. Would love to see more stuff like this!
First the gears then this lock; I'm loving the ancient artifact printing series. Please keep doing this type of thing, It would be great if this was a regular series.
I've been at 3D printing for 5 months, I think I will try to model this and print it. AWESOME videos as always and gets the mind to think.
Man, it's amazing to think that the first lock came from a 3D printer!
for dumb ppl, i’ll say alrdy… r/whooooosh
I'm waiting for you to make some clocks at this point
AntiViGames I'm actually working on a clock! Good idea!
How about a chess clock?
Pull a reverse Clickspring and 3D print the antikythera device!
Love these educational videos with a historical element. Kudos to your Dad, and to you for listening to him.
He does have a lot of good ideas
I am really appreciating these more functional objects with design thoughts videos
Fascinating, I love these videos about mechanical engineering
I've got a lockpicking channel and found it really cool, I've seen someone recreate and wooden Version, but love the whole old and new aspect great video thanks
Hi Angus,
Great video. I was surprised no ad today. :-)
Hmm, I could see this being a fun lock design for my niece's toy box or similar. Flipping it upside-down is a great feature in the case that the key gets locked inside the box... Great video, informative with a bit of history class to boot. Thanks.
Interesting stuff Angus. Thanks
Once again, great content!
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🤓 I believe you just made History class cool.
This is what I've been waiting for :D
Very nice contribution!
Out of all 3d printing channels only you proved what 3d printing is capable of..👍
Very cool lock, I might try it out with the springs as this would help with turning upside down and the lock picking as the pin would fall as soon as pressure was released
great vid. back when i was a child sharing a house with my snoopy-as-heck cousins, I used a cheapo plastic locking alarm sort of device that was easily pickable (all you needed was a folded piece of paper, but you could tell when it had been picked) to secure my room. Maybe this sort of updated device could be a godsend to people living in nonstandard living arrangements!
Very interesting. Good work on the research and design.
fantastic jobe angus. i like these project based videos
Angus I really like videos like this. I aspire to be a mechanical engineer and these projects get me excited about learning: both in 3d printing and in design.
Your dad come up with a great idea for a video. A Great way to tap into other interest adding your twist. Also I'd love to see other primative lock designs from around the world reproduced for future videos.. great vid. ;)
Thanks for sharing 😀👍
Great Video! So informative tell your dad his got good advice!
That does seem very satisfying.
Nice video. Great mix of ancient and modern.
dovetail joints hard to produce back then? have you seen the pyramids?
Totally not a dumb video! It got me here and you now have a new sub (so thank your dad). I've had a long-standing interest in ancient locking mechanisms, and constructed few replicas myself.
gd vid mate i would print it but i'm printin pickle rick
Pickle riiick !
You guys really need help... :D
Wow. With me coming from a family of locksmiths, this was really intriguing.
thanks for giving me a way to learn from an other's mistakes and expertise. this FNG can't thank you enough
For a lightweight spring to hold the pins in place, you could use a wide rubber band stretched across the back side of the pins. Enough tension there to hold the pins in place if turned upside down yet not enough resistance to prevent the key from being easily inserted.
This would work great as a child safety lock on cabinets. Thanks for the vid Angus!
Sweet design! I had no idea locks were that old.
3:08 cant agree more! nice vids as always!
The is very cool, from both an historical perspective and a 3D printing/modeling perspective.
Very cool.
Your why I keep seeing the lockpicking lawyer. You are merging algorithm topics
I was going to suggest using a bit of wax or clay on the end of a blank "spoon" to take an impression of the pin positions inside the lock if you wanted to make yourself an unauthorized spare.
Im from Egypt and I have seen them a lot in the country side
some places still using them till now
a big thanks to your knowledgeable father ... and you are a good son because you did it despite what you thought about it
Very very cool.
Surely this can't be the oldest lock design... maybe the oldest key lock, but a simple latch lock is older? Or is there a semantic distinction?
I remember as a little kid, I think it was in the Little House on the Prairie books described a lock where you had a dropping latch on the inside, a small hole in the wall up above, and a stick on a string that you could push out the hole. When the stick/string was outside you could open it by pulling it, when it was inside you could only open it from inside. I know LHOTP is much more recent, but things like that had to predate this...
What you're describing is a simple latch mechanism. The analog in current terms would be a passage knob or lever and a single sided deadbolt or night lock on the same door. When you close the door from the outside, you can't lock the deadbolt or night lock, because there's nothing on the outside of the door to allow you to turn it into a locked position. The passage knob or lever is easily turned to allow unrestricted entry, just like the stick on a string would. Once inside, however, you can turn the deadbolt or night lock into the locked position and the door can't be opened from the outside without force. The latching mechanism was simply to keep the door from swinging open while you were away and you coming home to a bear or cougar eating you out of house and home!
Angus I have to thank you my friend and your dad too. I have a locksport channel and these models are awesome to show off on my channel. Of course you'll get all credit my friend. I'm also very heavy into 3d printing now. It's very addicting I've only been printing for 7 months now and I have 4 machines already and cant wait to get the Prusa MK3. I have printed a couple of your torture test. I've printed the chain mail on one of my Anet A8,s and it came out awesome. I also printed your Easter Egg torture test on both my Anet's one at 150% and one at 230% and they both came out perfect. I'm having a blast with you designs. Keep up the awesome videos brother there never stupid lol.
BTW both my Anet's are pretty maxed out with upgrades I have them both printing awesome.
To reduce the pickability of the device, you can add top pins with 2 pin lengths. Some of the pins will be lifted by the key (active) and some will remain in place (inactive) with the shear line already lined up. Strategically put grooves in the top pins of the active pins to act as false positives and mimic the shear line of the inactive pins during picking. This will mimic the pick resistant principles in current technology locking cylinders. A little redesign of the pin chambers will be required to keep the bottom pins from falling out and Bob's your Uncle!
Visited Ait Ben Haddou in Morocco a couple of years ago and found this mechanism there as well
Frankly, i don't think you do enough videos like this.
awesome! private property & prosperity seems to go hand in hand even in ancient times. Huge admiration for the Assyrians in many ways
Accidentally left speed at .5 from another video
Best opening ever.
Please send one of these to the Lockpicking Lawyer. Need to see him pick it open
That's clever!
Another way to pick it: using pressurized air and a small seal. Pushes the pins straight upwards out of the way of the lock. Can be fixed using the springs and a pressure relief hole near the back.
Awesome video, glad you came up with that idea all by yourself and loved making it all the way through!
Oh wait...
+Ellie Johnson huh?
It was a sarcastic, maybe a little harsh comment on how you originally disliked the idea, but made a good video from it anyway.
Haha oh right! Yeah i looked into it and saw how interesting it was. Dad's know best!
My suggestions for an improvement on this design. Rather than having a gap at the bottom, have the top pin mechanism on a sprung pivot, so when the key gets to the back of the slot it pushes the back of the lever up, pushing the pin mechanism down onto the key. For the issue of the pins moving out of the way if you turn it upside down, have a pin on the lock at the top which will drop into a hole above the lock
if it is turned.
You should listen to your Dad more often. This was a good video idea.
a lock only keeps out an honest man
The colinear pins mean a picker needs to keep the pins up while unlocking too. While they need to push all pins up to get the bolt moving in the first place, this makes the colinear version slightly tougher to pick (though this lock can be picked with a bent plate and some putty either way).
nice, now I really wanna see the inside and mechanism of modern locks...
It's basically the same except instead of the lock sliding out, it rotates. The issue with the pins being co-linear, is also why our keys have slanted peaks on it instead of just straight prongs. This also the key to slide in past the pins as they slide down.
Mujtaba Ibrahim
Look up Deviant Ollam's Defcon talks on lock picking. Hes got some pretty good animations and explains it fairly well. Most of his talks do contain swearing though, if that offends.
Bosnian Bill's lock pick tutorials would be an alternative. Not as well explained though, IMO.
You can improve the security of the lock by modifying the straight pins, cutting a band or two so that the pins will get stuck at the lip of the lock barrel, this should increase the time it takes to pick, you can also just shave the pins to make a mushroom or spool pin. And to reduce the chance of opening the lock by flipping it upside down, having captive pins on the underside of the lock barrel will help, so that if you flip the lock the main pins will retract just as the captive pins extend.
But really someone can always get past a lock, its just a matter of time, and the amount of obstacles you present that determines a lock failure.
This man would have been the king's keymaker
I just received my Cetus Mk2, and I'll give you a head's up. You'll need to replace the fan grill as it restricts flow way too much. I had a catastrophic failure in the hot end the other day and they had to send out a new assembly with a MK1 fan grill. Since then, it has printed perfect every time.
Support are aware of the problem it seems.
Another great video! I'm looking to build an escape room for a project, and I think I may use this kind of lock on a few things. I was thinking it might be fun to try to figure out how to duplicate the keys to a series of these locks with a flat "toothbrush" and some putty on the end. The impression would give you the arrangement, and maybe a master blank toothbrush with a series of holes and loose pegs to insert in them can be used to create the duplicate keys. Thanks for being awesome and making these videos!
interestingly, the colinear lock seems like it would be more lockpick resistant since all three pins would have to be raised simultaneously for it to be pushed out at all
Uh oh another one of anguses videos will go viral (:
Do you treat your prints with something ( like aceton) after they're done printing
Seems like the longer you make the shaft where the key is inserted, the more secure it would be (i.e. it would be harder to get the picking tools into there). -- Also, the key is kind of "two dimensional", in that it only fits pins from one surface -- what if it fit pins on multiple surfaces? -- You'd definitely need springs at that point, but it would be neat. :)
What is the blue polyhedral model on the shelf in the back? It looks like two interpenetrating cubes, but I'm not sure. Can it be printed without supports?
You could always have pins on the bottom so when it is upright they don’t interfere with the lock but when upside down will keep it locked in place
this video made me realize why you need to use a tension tool in lockpicking. wow.
In ancient times, if they had clay available, they could take a blank key, put a blob of clay on the end, and press it up against the pins as if they were unlocking it - this way, a pattern of the pins would be pressed into the clay and the person could then replicate the wooden toothbrush using the clay as a guide.
If you wanted to prevent the pins from being pushed up could you make it so that the pins themselves were made of a durable material that was meshed or hollow on the inside, that way someone had to have an object the exact size of the pins in order to move them
Great idea to dad. That's a neat idea.
Could you not use progressively thinner pins to prevent it from locking up like that?
I REMEMBER MAKING THESE OUT OF LEGOS ITS SIMPLE YET GREAT
Very nice. As former Roman re-enactor I love this.
lock idea: one pin that is hidden very deep in the lock core with a maze leading to it also including a very uniquely shaped key
Ayee works just like a masterlock.
What if u close all exits and blow on the entrece and pull to open it
+Gustavo Ayala heh that's a crazy idea! Wonder what would happen
Pretty awsome good when you come home
Can you make one or a few of those pins magnetically repel each other to beat the picking instead of having the key push the pin have a magnet push one of the pin to unlock
Change the pin lengths like a modern lock, and make the slot flush with the wall, and it could be a more formidable lock.
Pretty cool idea Angus dad, Angus can you make a modern day lock mechanism with key to see if actually work
Olanskyl I think there are 2 on Thingiverse (23654) (11240)
now design one where you lever the key handle down and it pivots the biting up to activate the pin
Great!