Thanks for adding your thoughts! This is about the best we can show it in digital form, but of course like most pen-related things, it's almost always going to look more stunning in person than in video. I'm glad you love it! -Brian
Well done Brian.. good information and nicely presented.. I have to say.. after 10 years at this you have maintained your personality and pleasant attitude. You, Rachel, Drew and everyone on the team really helped me through a rather dark time in my life over the past 8 or 9 years. Losing my Dad and Mom.. 2 kitties, two beloved pups and 14 surgeries.. a bunch of spinal fusions.. my wife and two young boys have been great, but having the external interests in my pens, inks and paper.. and the Goulet Pen Company made such a difference.. so, thank you!! Frank from Boulder, Colorado
Wow, thank you so much for sharing all that Frank, and for the kind words and support. Over the same time we've been through quite a bit ourselves. As funny as it may sound, producing these videos actually helps me in much the same way. I find it fairly cathartic to make them, and the fact you (and others) appreciate them is extremely gratifying for me. While we continue to navigate production challenges here at Goulet Pens, I am still inspired to produce what we can for the foreseeable future. -Brian
I received Dragon Palace as a Christmas gift. It’s lovely! Initially, I was concerned that I might not enjoy it, since I usually prefer the wider 21K nibs on Sailors’ larger offerings (not to mention that my long fingers and Slenderman-like hands devour more petite models). Alas, I’m thrilled to have this jewel in my collection, and its color reminds me of vintage jadeite dinnerware. I might need to pick up Grateful Crane, as both pair so well with my favourite Manyo and Studio inks. Haha! (Bad pun intended!) 🤟😆🤣
That's great to hear! I'm similar, I have large hands with fairly slender fingers, and using the Pro Gear Slim unposted does get a bit short for me. But posted, the pen is quite pleasant in my hands. I really like the Dragon Palace because there just aren't other pens like it! -Brian
"Recently came out with the Fairy Tale series" I bought my Dragon Palace one 5 months ago... lol, I'm guessing this was filmed a while ago and just now being posted.
These are beautiful! I hate that I so much prefer the regular Pro gear and the 1911L as those are more expensive and don't have as many beautiful finishes 😟 Also, it still makes me so happy that you all now sell Sailor. I know it's been a bit, but still.
Thank you very much for this informative video. May I ask what type of ink you were using when you filled the pen? The Flacon locks beautiful. Thanks a lot and kind regards from Germany :-)
Sure! I used Sailor Manyo Kikyou, which is a deep blue with a very slight hint of red sheen. It's a conventional (non-water resistant) ink with good flow, a fairly high level of saturation, a hint of shading, and a pretty quick dry time. It's an all-around pleasant ink to use and pairs well with the Sailor pens. www.gouletpens.com/products/sailor-manyo-kikyou-50ml-bottled-ink -Brian
I just bought the dragon palace from the website the other day! My first 'expensive' pen purchase for my birthday and I can't wait to get it! Eventually I wouldnt mind the whole set of the Japanese fairytale pens :)
The two lighter colors are really beautiful, they look like jade. I've collected for many years and I just can't wrap my head around resin, celluloid, plastic pen bodies.
Right? Great colors. It's funny, because I hear a lot of just the opposite, many people love resins and celluloids and just don't get the appeal of other materials. To each their own, I guess! -Brian
I prefer plastic/resin bodies because I can convert it to eyedropper. I write quite often and filling the converter that has around 1ml to almost 2ml of ink often is quite annoying to me. I'd rather much have a pen that can hold 5ml-6ml of ink capacity. The pens that I keep that has a converter are the ones that are (for me) used to try different inks. Meanwhile my everyday carry will have the eyedropper fountain pen. Simply because that will last a loooong time before I need to refill it.
@@Gouletpens Ok, so after thinking about it, what would you recommend for a metal pen fan who is looking to be wow'd by a "plastic," pen. I'd like something beautiful but not bank-breaking. I don't want a newbie or novice pen but I don't want to jump into the deep DEEP end either.
In a way, I'm glad that these pens are only available in medium-nib nib sizes AND most places are now out of stock. Just two more obstacles to me spending money I don't have lol
Nice set of fountain pens. I just started with a Pilot Metro so maybe those ones are not the next step at the time. Loved the jump in video quality I'm watching it in a 2k display.
Yeah, this is a little more of a leap than a little hop, but the Metro is an awesome pen and you'll enjoy it. These are great pens too, most Japanese pens are pretty great. I'm glad you like the quality! We used some better equipment for this one...it's not feasible for us to do that for every video bc of the time it takes to edit, but we'll try when we can-Brian
Sailor really knows how to get to the heart of pen buyers. First, create amazing pens. Second, give them beautiful names. This Fairy Tale series and the Amaoto (Sound of Rain) series are great examples. The Rain series have both the translucent look, and also the look of a frosted window, or looking out a window on a rainy day. for me, I force myself to practice restraint by waiting mainly for the new addition to the Cocktail series (and then not buying it). So so tempted to get the Vega and either the Harusame or Suiu ones... *falls over*
Hello! I hope I could get your advice: I got a brand new shikiori and dipped it into iroshizuku pilot ink, after a few days I noticed that it is leaking into the barrel (I have no converter or cartridge in at the moment). Also there is ink around where the section connects to the barrel on the outside, staining my fingers. Does that mean the pen is faulty? I did not get it from you so please do not worry! Xx
These pens look so gorgeous! But what’s hindering me from ordering one of these $200 pens are the $5 Jinhaos/Baoers which look equally shimmering and gorgeous ! I wish they didn’t exist or weren’t so affordable 🖊
I get where you're coming from there...the Chinese brands have some amazingly affordable pens and while their quality isn't on par, they're still phenomenal for the price. I personally have/own many pens of many brands and I've learned to appreciate them all for what they are, especially with my seeing more behind the curtain and what goes into making them. Companies like Sailor truly have a heart for these products and when you're buying their pens you're not just buying an object, you're supporting their craft. -Brian
@@Gouletpens Sure.. I own Sheaffer, Cross, Waterman Ball, Roller and Fountain pens and a $200 Pilot VP ( that’s how much it costs here in India ) and I’ve a special affinity, affection and ‘ownership pride’ towards these semi-premium pens, but I ( as an average Joe ) still think they deserve to be not more than 3 - 4 times pricier than the Chinese ones !
Every time I see these "special" Sailors, I think I want one, until I remember the lack of nib options. I find it such a shame Sailor does this, otherwise I would probably be a Sailor collector.
General availability is a nightmare. These special editions are snapped up by collectors before I even know they are out. I bought Princess Kaguya pretty much by accident, because my only close retailer of Sailor pens had it as their only remaining Sailor pen in-store and at discount because nobody wanted red pen. And I think that colour is beautiful and different in my collection.
Haha. My first thought when I saw the The Dragon Palace was: "Wow such a beautiful jade!" but then you started talking about it looking like a glow-in-the-dark pen and suddenly I couldn't unsee that and it totally unsold me on it. lol XD
Yeah let's go with that, it sounds like I know more what I'm talking about! In all honesty, I was thinking the manufactured glow-in-the-dark stuff like I had in certain toys from my childhood....-Brian
Nicely informative and comprehensive review. Very tempted to start my Sailor collection with a Grateful Crane or Dragon Palace... what gorgeous names too. TFS. C xx
Thank you, I'm glad you liked the vid! I'll give you fair warning, "starting" a Sailor collection can be a dangerous step (albeit a gratifying one) ;) ;) ;) -Brian
I'm having such a hard time not picking up a Pro Gear. I've been looking at them for a bit now, and after the announcement of the Too Hot Habanero, I don't know if I can stop myself. I just worry about the nib. I have a Pilot 912 in medium that is my favorite nib in my collection. I would love to get a medium-fine because they are so unique but I hear from everyone that Sailor runs thinner and has more feedback than Pilot. Don't know if I should risk it and get a Pro Gear with a nib that has a combination of thinness and feedback, or I could hold off and consider the upcoming Pilot custom heritage SE. That looks incredible as well. Why does everyone have to keep coming out with orange pens that cost hundreds of dollars! Do they not know my weakness?
I placed the order for the Dragon Palace on your website a few days ago :) I'm very excited to get my first Sailor Fountain Pen! I also had to get their inks Manyo Haha and Manyo Nekoyanagi after watching the top 2020 inks review video you guys did 😁 can't wait!
Brian, I would buy all four of these if they were available with broad nibs. Do you think that Sailor will ever relent and start offering more of their pens with larger nib options? It seems that the prettiest pens only come with the MF nib. And it seems those are the pens I really want! 😢
I completely hear where you're coming from! I don't know if they'll change it in the future, but for a while they've only been doing their special pens with limited nib options. That's the tough thing about these pens, they have such a wide range of nibs, and Sailor really in the grade scheme of things isn't a huge company...so trying to globally distribute new colors in a full range of nib sizes is a logistical nightmare, so undoubtedly if they were to do that they would have fewer new pens to offer as a result...it's some of the challenge with any pen company, how to offer a lot of options but still hit the bullseye in terms of inventory management...get it wrong and manufacturers get bogged down with unwanted stock. If they limit the options to the most popular nib options they'll have the easiest time distributing them and they can focus more on the next pens they're developing. It's a delicate dance! -Brian
@@Gouletpens That makes so much sense! Thanks for the information, Brian. I ended up buying the Dragon Palace after watching the video. I really couldn’t resist any longer 😉
@@Gouletpens Brian, I am getting a blog/website started soon with an inspiration and adventure focus, and one thing I will be doing a TON of is reviews and “favorites”. I am a stationery NUT, and when I decided to give fountain pens another try (lefty here, could never get past fountain pens to work), I did SO MUCH RESEARCH. I really wanted to get a great pen and an exceptional customer experience, and I wanted those things as some of my first reviews content. Your store is by far the most thorough, honest, and knowledgeable store, and after my ordering experiences and my mom’s ordering experiences, my opinion has not changed!
That Vega!!! Thanks for this video, Brian! Been wanting this since the start of Ber-months of 2020... Havent thought of it for a while till I watched this video. It must be a sign. Stay safe!
Sailor uses proprietary converters, so that's the first thing to check. If you are, then it might depend which model pen you have. If it's a Pro Gear Slim Mini (or maybe known as Sapporo Mini) they're too short to take a Standard Sailor converter. There may have been other vintage ones that don't take converters, I don't know...They've been around as a company more than 100 years and I'm not an expert on all their history! -Brian
The Dragon palace is in jade colour. Comes from chinese tradition, in which dragons' statue were in jade. I really hope my english is legible
That makes a lot of sense! -Brian
Thank you for sharing!
Your English is great! Thank you for the explanation!
That's awesome, thank you for the info! Your English is great :-D
@@sluggytube thank you 🥰
Got my Vega from GouletPens a little while ago. I can't emphasize enough that no video or photo fully captures how brilliant this pen looks and feels
Thanks for adding your thoughts! This is about the best we can show it in digital form, but of course like most pen-related things, it's almost always going to look more stunning in person than in video. I'm glad you love it! -Brian
The green one looks like it has a sort of vintage feel to it.
It does, right? Sort of like jade -Brian
Well done Brian.. good information and nicely presented.. I have to say.. after 10 years at this you have maintained your personality and pleasant attitude. You, Rachel, Drew and everyone on the team really helped me through a rather dark time in my life over the past 8 or 9 years. Losing my Dad and Mom.. 2 kitties, two beloved pups and 14 surgeries.. a bunch of spinal fusions.. my wife and two young boys have been great, but having the external interests in my pens, inks and paper.. and the Goulet Pen Company made such a difference.. so, thank you!!
Frank from Boulder, Colorado
Wow, thank you so much for sharing all that Frank, and for the kind words and support. Over the same time we've been through quite a bit ourselves. As funny as it may sound, producing these videos actually helps me in much the same way. I find it fairly cathartic to make them, and the fact you (and others) appreciate them is extremely gratifying for me. While we continue to navigate production challenges here at Goulet Pens, I am still inspired to produce what we can for the foreseeable future. -Brian
I received Dragon Palace as a Christmas gift. It’s lovely! Initially, I was concerned that I might not enjoy it, since I usually prefer the wider 21K nibs on Sailors’ larger offerings (not to mention that my long fingers and Slenderman-like hands devour more petite models). Alas, I’m thrilled to have this jewel in my collection, and its color reminds me of vintage jadeite dinnerware. I might need to pick up Grateful Crane, as both pair so well with my favourite Manyo and Studio inks. Haha! (Bad pun intended!) 🤟😆🤣
That's great to hear! I'm similar, I have large hands with fairly slender fingers, and using the Pro Gear Slim unposted does get a bit short for me. But posted, the pen is quite pleasant in my hands. I really like the Dragon Palace because there just aren't other pens like it! -Brian
Me: *Slowly falls in love with the pens*
Me: *Finds out the price and almost cries*
I know your pain :)
"Recently came out with the Fairy Tale series" I bought my Dragon Palace one 5 months ago... lol, I'm guessing this was filmed a while ago and just now being posted.
Yeah....I filmed it last summer actually...this wasn't a super timely video! We're trying over here, ha -Brian
Wow that deep blue with the gold flecks is absolutely astounding. Wish I had $180 lying around.
Don't we all?
These are beautiful! I hate that I so much prefer the regular Pro gear and the 1911L as those are more expensive and don't have as many beautiful finishes 😟
Also, it still makes me so happy that you all now sell Sailor. I know it's been a bit, but still.
I got Dragon Palace because it reminds me so much of jade
Thanks great context to have, thank you so much for sharing this! -Brian
The green almost looks like celadon... my cat’s eyes are that color. ❤️ These pens are gorgeous!
Beautiful pens - I prefer the smaller flat top/bottom pens - but I wish they came with silver trim.
Thank you very much for this informative video. May I ask what type of ink you were using when you filled the pen? The Flacon locks beautiful. Thanks a lot and kind regards from Germany :-)
Sure! I used Sailor Manyo Kikyou, which is a deep blue with a very slight hint of red sheen. It's a conventional (non-water resistant) ink with good flow, a fairly high level of saturation, a hint of shading, and a pretty quick dry time. It's an all-around pleasant ink to use and pairs well with the Sailor pens. www.gouletpens.com/products/sailor-manyo-kikyou-50ml-bottled-ink -Brian
I just bought the dragon palace from the website the other day! My first 'expensive' pen purchase for my birthday and I can't wait to get it! Eventually I wouldnt mind the whole set of the Japanese fairytale pens :)
Hahahahaha. My most expensive pen is $50. And that was $20.00 over my limit. I’m cheap
The two lighter colors are really beautiful, they look like jade.
I've collected for many years and I just can't wrap my head around resin, celluloid, plastic pen bodies.
Right? Great colors. It's funny, because I hear a lot of just the opposite, many people love resins and celluloids and just don't get the appeal of other materials. To each their own, I guess! -Brian
I might break my rule for that Grateful Crane and Dragon Palace. I can't get over how beautiful they are.
I prefer plastic/resin bodies because I can convert it to eyedropper. I write quite often and filling the converter that has around 1ml to almost 2ml of ink often is quite annoying to me. I'd rather much have a pen that can hold 5ml-6ml of ink capacity.
The pens that I keep that has a converter are the ones that are (for me) used to try different inks. Meanwhile my everyday carry will have the eyedropper fountain pen. Simply because that will last a loooong time before I need to refill it.
@@llion2806 I totally get that. I admit that i love my moonman for its capacity.
@@Gouletpens Ok, so after thinking about it, what would you recommend for a metal pen fan who is looking to be wow'd by a "plastic," pen. I'd like something beautiful but not bank-breaking. I don't want a newbie or novice pen but I don't want to jump into the deep DEEP end either.
In a way, I'm glad that these pens are only available in medium-nib nib sizes AND most places are now out of stock. Just two more obstacles to me spending money I don't have lol
Nice set of fountain pens. I just started with a Pilot Metro so maybe those ones are not the next step at the time. Loved the jump in video quality I'm watching it in a 2k display.
Yeah, this is a little more of a leap than a little hop, but the Metro is an awesome pen and you'll enjoy it. These are great pens too, most Japanese pens are pretty great. I'm glad you like the quality! We used some better equipment for this one...it's not feasible for us to do that for every video bc of the time it takes to edit, but we'll try when we can-Brian
Sailor really knows how to get to the heart of pen buyers. First, create amazing pens. Second, give them beautiful names. This Fairy Tale series and the Amaoto (Sound of Rain) series are great examples. The Rain series have both the translucent look, and also the look of a frosted window, or looking out a window on a rainy day. for me, I force myself to practice restraint by waiting mainly for the new addition to the Cocktail series (and then not buying it). So so tempted to get the Vega and either the Harusame or Suiu ones... *falls over*
i can't get matching ink to this pen, it's very dry, and draws very thin line (more like EF than declared M-F).
Hello! I hope I could get your advice: I got a brand new shikiori and dipped it into iroshizuku pilot ink, after a few days I noticed that it is leaking into the barrel (I have no converter or cartridge in at the moment). Also there is ink around where the section connects to the barrel on the outside, staining my fingers. Does that mean the pen is faulty? I did not get it from you so please do not worry! Xx
I love how the gold sparkles in the body look with that trim, especially in the more saturated Princess Kaguya and Vega models
Right? It's subtle but also not at the same time ;) -Brian
very interesting
These pens look so gorgeous! But what’s hindering me from ordering one of these $200 pens are the $5 Jinhaos/Baoers which look equally shimmering and gorgeous ! I wish they didn’t exist or weren’t so affordable 🖊
I get where you're coming from there...the Chinese brands have some amazingly affordable pens and while their quality isn't on par, they're still phenomenal for the price. I personally have/own many pens of many brands and I've learned to appreciate them all for what they are, especially with my seeing more behind the curtain and what goes into making them. Companies like Sailor truly have a heart for these products and when you're buying their pens you're not just buying an object, you're supporting their craft. -Brian
@@Gouletpens Sure.. I own Sheaffer, Cross, Waterman Ball, Roller and Fountain pens and a $200 Pilot VP ( that’s how much it costs here in India ) and I’ve a special affinity, affection and ‘ownership pride’ towards these semi-premium pens, but I ( as an average Joe ) still think they deserve to be not more than 3 - 4 times pricier than the Chinese ones !
Every time I see these "special" Sailors, I think I want one, until I remember the lack of nib options. I find it such a shame Sailor does this, otherwise I would probably be a Sailor collector.
General availability is a nightmare. These special editions are snapped up by collectors before I even know they are out. I bought Princess Kaguya pretty much by accident, because my only close retailer of Sailor pens had it as their only remaining Sailor pen in-store and at discount because nobody wanted red pen. And I think that colour is beautiful and different in my collection.
Haha. My first thought when I saw the The Dragon Palace was: "Wow such a beautiful jade!" but then you started talking about it looking like a glow-in-the-dark pen and suddenly I couldn't unsee that and it totally unsold me on it. lol XD
I think the phosphorescence similar to jade like you see in the ocean, which is really stunning is what he was going for.
haha...this shows my lack of sophistication...clearly Sailor designed it to look like Jade, not the nonsense I talked about, lol! -Brian
Yeah let's go with that, it sounds like I know more what I'm talking about! In all honesty, I was thinking the manufactured glow-in-the-dark stuff like I had in certain toys from my childhood....-Brian
I want pen like this reply me please 🥺🥺🥺🥺
Grateful crane is delish.
Nicely informative and comprehensive review. Very tempted to start my Sailor collection with a Grateful Crane or Dragon Palace... what gorgeous names too. TFS. C xx
Thank you, I'm glad you liked the vid! I'll give you fair warning, "starting" a Sailor collection can be a dangerous step (albeit a gratifying one) ;) ;) ;) -Brian
Yes, I'm sure it will be. uh oh !!! C'est la Vie, ah...lol. C xx
Is the glitter holographic or is just a generic silver? The blue pen is very attractive tho.
It's hard to tell because they're VERY small pieces of glitter, they look to me to be just one color (gold actually). -Brian
finally, sailor pens I like the look of
The two lighter ones are pretty !
I'm having such a hard time not picking up a Pro Gear. I've been looking at them for a bit now, and after the announcement of the Too Hot Habanero, I don't know if I can stop myself. I just worry about the nib. I have a Pilot 912 in medium that is my favorite nib in my collection. I would love to get a medium-fine because they are so unique but I hear from everyone that Sailor runs thinner and has more feedback than Pilot. Don't know if I should risk it and get a Pro Gear with a nib that has a combination of thinness and feedback, or I could hold off and consider the upcoming Pilot custom heritage SE. That looks incredible as well. Why does everyone have to keep coming out with orange pens that cost hundreds of dollars! Do they not know my weakness?
I placed the order for the Dragon Palace on your website a few days ago :) I'm very excited to get my first Sailor Fountain Pen! I also had to get their inks Manyo Haha and Manyo Nekoyanagi after watching the top 2020 inks review video you guys did 😁 can't wait!
Also after watching this video, I'm sooo tempted to get the grateful crane as well 😭
I don't think you'll be disappointed! Thank you so much for supporting me and my team, that means the world to us
Haha, I understand the temptation! See how you like your Dragon Palace and that will make the decision easy for you one way or another ;) -Brian
Brian, I would buy all four of these if they were available with broad nibs. Do you think that Sailor will ever relent and start offering more of their pens with larger nib options? It seems that the prettiest pens only come with the MF nib. And it seems those are the pens I really want! 😢
Agreed -- there's been so many posts in various groups with people wishing Sailor would offer other nib options for these pens.
I completely hear where you're coming from! I don't know if they'll change it in the future, but for a while they've only been doing their special pens with limited nib options. That's the tough thing about these pens, they have such a wide range of nibs, and Sailor really in the grade scheme of things isn't a huge company...so trying to globally distribute new colors in a full range of nib sizes is a logistical nightmare, so undoubtedly if they were to do that they would have fewer new pens to offer as a result...it's some of the challenge with any pen company, how to offer a lot of options but still hit the bullseye in terms of inventory management...get it wrong and manufacturers get bogged down with unwanted stock. If they limit the options to the most popular nib options they'll have the easiest time distributing them and they can focus more on the next pens they're developing. It's a delicate dance! -Brian
@@Gouletpens That makes so much sense! Thanks for the information, Brian. I ended up buying the Dragon Palace after watching the video. I really couldn’t resist any longer 😉
You mentioned your photographers...does Whitney still work for you? I did not see her listed in your profiles.
These were already on sale at another site, but I’d much rather order from Goulet. Love the purple one so much!
Wow, thank you! I'm honored by that, really
@@Gouletpens Brian, I am getting a blog/website started soon with an inspiration and adventure focus, and one thing I will be doing a TON of is reviews and “favorites”. I am a stationery NUT, and when I decided to give fountain pens another try (lefty here, could never get past fountain pens to work), I did SO MUCH RESEARCH. I really wanted to get a great pen and an exceptional customer experience, and I wanted those things as some of my first reviews content. Your store is by far the most thorough, honest, and knowledgeable store, and after my ordering experiences and my mom’s ordering experiences, my opinion has not changed!
That Vega!!! Thanks for this video, Brian! Been wanting this since the start of Ber-months of 2020... Havent thought of it for a while till I watched this video. It must be a sign. Stay safe!
Now, Brian is starting for grey! Looks like his dreams are starting to come true.
They're beautiful, I like the lavender
Right? -Brian
Where can I get a replacement nib for this pen ? I think I want a bigger nib.
Unfortunately Sailor does not sell replacement nibs. Sorry! - Drew
I bought a Sailor from eBay, which was labeled Vintage now none of the convertors fit. LOL.
Sailor uses proprietary converters, so that's the first thing to check. If you are, then it might depend which model pen you have. If it's a Pro Gear Slim Mini (or maybe known as Sapporo Mini) they're too short to take a Standard Sailor converter. There may have been other vintage ones that don't take converters, I don't know...They've been around as a company more than 100 years and I'm not an expert on all their history! -Brian
@@Gouletpens thanks Brian, I am still exploring fountain pens. I hope to go to Japan one day and find a best fit convertor.
Thank you for this video of the collection! It's been hard to find great videos on these Sailor pens.
Love, love , love these short videos 💝💖💜
Who is the bassist for your intros man damn
I wonder if they know about the fountain pen subreddit and fountain pen memes. I’d love to see them go through the memes or subreddit.
Haha, that's a good question! I'm not sure. -Brian
I have the Milky Way one.
I love the green and blue ones.
Gorgeous green and light blue.
nerds meet elegance
These pens are just gorgeous.
The way you describe the size and the feedback it reminds me of a Parker Slimfold. These look really interesting
I don't have any experience with a Slimfold but looking at pics online I can see some similarities. -Brian
@@Gouletpens Let me know if you’re interested, I would be happy to send mine along for you to check out and compare!
Thank you for making this!! Very informative 😊✒️
you're very welcome! -Brian
😍😍😍😍😍
really wish these were piston fillers
Ooo that would be cool! -Brian
That Vega 😍
riiiiight? -Brian
dang
hahaha -Brian
Too bad, really -- I only really like a medium, even a broad for preference.