5 American Motorcycles WORSE Than Harley
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I am a real motorcycle noobie and been drooling over Janus motorcycles for about 4 years till I finally took the driver safety class and took order of the 450 which was delivered last week. It’s def a niche of nostalgia but where else are you going to get hand made small qty builds for that price from an established motorcycle company? It’s like owning a Time Machine that has a bullet proof enduro engine.
Thinking about getting one myself. Are you happy with it?
@@JosepBlas Josep: Thought I'd step in here. I run the Halcyon 250, and if I had the extra funds, I wouldn't hesitate to buy the 450. They are different experiences. The 250 is really nimble around town. When it is sitting still or parked, it's fun since so many people ask me about it. When it is moving, it is more enjoyable overall than the other bikes I owned. The company, unlike any other motorcycle company I know, talks directly to customers. I just called today with a question on a particular part's paint. Finally, learning how to perform all the service on the bike has made me a better biker since I know that everything is kept within specs.
@Jeff Karon very cool! Thank you for posting this comment!..from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 👋🤠
Where else you ask? I would try Moto Guzzi.
I think they're nice but 15k for a 450? And motor is a honda Chinese clone. Not saying they're not reliable. As an American made motorcycle and how a big chunk of Americans associate Chinese with junk. You think they would've sourced there motors from somewhere else.
I own a Janus 250 Halcyon and have put thousands of miles on it (overall, very reliable). Easy to work on, and the company encourages, though does not require, owners to do so (and it doesn't violate the warranty). The website shows how many parts are US-made (the percentage is higher than at least many Harleys). There are videos by one of the founders on why the engine was chosen--basically, no small-displacement engine made in the United States was appropriate. I can tell you that the engine here is very well-made, and once broken in is very difficult to break. Sure, one is buying the aesthetic, but I also am supporting an American company--and the employees really do have the values they articulate. Last, the bike is really fun to drive, which I do virtually every day.
Jeff
Yammie Boob is just a stupid punk, and has no credibility. Nobody in their right mind would listen to his opinion.
Those Janus bikes are beautiful.
I went and took a factory tour at Janus back in February. Very cool bikes, yes they have a Chinese Honda clone motor, but nearly everything else is made in house or from local machine shops. Very high build quality! I was really impressed, and one day I’d love to have one. Definitely a niche market for their bikes though.
The 450 engine is italian.
Correct. HQ in or near Milano but I believe the engines are manufactured in China, just like the 250cc Honda Clones.
Janus 450 is unique. Brough front end and Vincent rear suspension. Rides like a performance bike from the 20's and 30's. I have the GXSS 1000F and Scout so power not the object. All about the riding experience and this 450 delivers. Price stung through but was worth it.
Do you own a 450? How is it to ride? They are absolutely gorgeous I desperately want one. It seems like a perfect bike for the casual cruise that is more of a zen meditation. No hurry, just cruise to enjoy a relaxing ride.
I suppose if somebody brought out a clone of a Ford Model T you'd rush out and buy one of them too?
@@67daltonknox Why not?
Janus is hands down THE best bike Manufacturer in the US
Janus fills a niche that appeals to me. I am trying to talk myself out of another bike, but they are speaking sweet words of encouragement to me.
Yup. I love that halcyon 450. I'd like to see it at 650 cc. I love the way a big single cylinder feels. I wish I had 15k to throw at a bike
I always said Harley should have made smaller retro bikes, but nooo, so Janus is making them.
Stephen: If you do talk directly to Janus employees, you will find that they are just as they seem in the materials and videos: devoted to something that really is satisfying on several levels. I asked everyone who was involved in my motorcycle's manufacture and purchase to sign their names on the chain guard--I've talked with all of them at one time or another.
Amish built stuff lasts forever. I’d love to have a Janus for the frame if not for the aesthetics and ease of maintenance too
Now that I have over 4,000 miles on mine, often on rather rough roads, I am seeing how that Amish craftsmanship is paying off.
As the website as well as videos fr one of the founders relates, leather as well as some metal fabricated parts are manufactured by Amish partners nearby. The 250 was designed right in a corner of an Amish workshop.
@@MrPotatoHead198the Amish are EVERYWHERE in Indiana
There’s no way I would buy a Janus. But I do like the look of a Janus. I’m really familiar with the engine in one. It’s not exactly spectacular. I get it that your audience REALLY hates Harley Davidson. And the whole point is to feed the beast, but I don’t see any real reason to kick little Janus. They seem like cool guys. They just like weird fuckin bikes.
I love that everyone's only complaint that Janus is single cylinder, making it less of motorcycle than their desires. Demanding a brand with niche marketing to put in engine that the more popular brand than they can be to compete, will be fastest way to kill it. So really everyone just wants a Harley? Or consider that for those who wants something actually different? Heh, some concept, lol
I still get a kick out of my single cylinder 390 Duke. They're over $6k now and the only reason they're that cheap is mass production using cheap labour in India.
It completely dig that Janus are hand made in the US, and more art than plebian mode of transportation. It's a different kind of fun from a Duke 390 or Z400, but still valid.
The thing about Janus is that their bikes mostly resemble old V-twins to most people, like the Brough Superior SS100. Naturally, most people can't afford a real SS100 so they wish Janus would make a V-twin bike. Being that they can be optioned for over 15k, I can understand the thinking that a Chinese-sourced thumper isn't enough. Specially when the "Rolls-Royce of motorcycles", the SS100, cost 10.3k (adjusted for inflation) and was also hand built while being the fastest bike of its time. Hand built quality or not, 15k is a lot to ask for a bike that barely reaches highway speeds.
@@Topher7527 Other than having two wheels, it doesn't bear much resemblance at all to a Brough, and certainly to an SS100.
It's much closer to something like a 1925 Norton, BSA or AJS single.
A hand-built, American made, replica Brough would end up being a hell of a lot more expensive than this.
As a Motus owner I was looking forward to you ripping on them but sadly they did not make the list...
Dude, you’ve got a motus. Those things are fuckin awesome!
@@jandincheatwood4108 Thanks, I do enjoy it... I don't think I've ever heard Yammie ever mention Motus. I'd love to see him ride one to get his impression of it.
That might even be worse honestly.
How awesome is that Motus engine?
Janus certainly seem to be a popular wish list. I too love that extremely old school look. But at $14,000 for a 450, no phuking way. Picked up a 1979 honda cm400t just before winter. $1200. Just about back on the road as a brat tracker all up for less than
2k. So in the end bought myself a motorcycle and saved myself 12k.
We get it. If it’s a cruiser it’s garbage and if it doesn’t do 0-1000 in 60 seconds it’s not good enough for you. Cool
I own a Cleveland CycleWerks bike, called Tha Heist-Yes, they spelled it all edgy like that. It's a 125cc hardtail chopper that only costs a few grand new... Turns out to have been a good purchase, it's too cheap for Yammie to roast!
Seriously though, the fact that a company in and named Cleveland has a hardtail... Cleveland is made of potholes and cracks in the asphalt, riding this thing anywhere in the city is like playing Temple Run in real life, and you feel like a badass for surviving a ride! It's the worst, most satisfying bike ever, and easy to repair and modify, which is the point-it's a bottom-dollar chopper!
I've actually seen a Janus and while too low-powered for my needs, they have that cool 'Silent Gray Fellow' early motorcycle vibe, and they are extremely well-made. Gotta give them that, however the single cylinder thing might work for British nostalgia fans (see new BSA Gold Star thumper), I wouldn't consider a Janus unless it had a vee-twin.
lots of fun... needs a better gear ratio & cut its price point .... only its AMERICAN MADE so cant !
I'm now wondering if anyone understands what niche marketing is, lol
I have a chinese bike with the same pushrod engine as janus halcyon 250. It's a great engine, actually - simple, torquey for its size, and quite reliable. Its great - for a 1300 dollar bike. But 9k for 250? 15k for 400cc? Come on, i love handmade things, and i don't mean any disrespect for Amish community, but local Jebbediah must have pimped-out golden horseshoes on his carriage horses, after making business with Janus all these years
Nah man, you gotta hate on literally everything except the most cutting edge sports bikes to be a member of this toxic ass youtube community.
@@OldManShoutsAtClouds funny thing ... i have OWNED a harley ... made sure my ex got it the divorce ... i have owned at least one of every japanese brand bike ... i have Ridden Indians ... i have Ridden Janus ... i own a cheap chinese bike ... .... so when i ask ... is there an american made motorcycle WORTH MORE Then a BICYCLE... ya might wanna pay attention to the answer
My eyes bugged out when I first saw the Janus. Then I saw the price tag. If they were just a couple grand cheaper I'd own one right now.
Ouch I have a 2003 Indian Springfield scout. No oil leaks. It does have an annoying little noise around the windscreen area at a certain rpm. It has 88ci s&s engine. Seems powerful enough and makes all the right noises. Don't know about reliability it only has 6k miles on it.
It just pains YM that Harley is #1. The people have spoken year after year and it's Harley every year. Really like the idea of Janus just hate the ROC so they could probably sell more if they just switched to Japanese instead of Chinese.
Which motor from the Japanese market you think?
Janus and most other chinese engines are from PRC (mainland China) not ROC (Taiwan)
There was another American motorcycle company too, Ridley Automatic Motorcycle company, It started back in 199 offering a Small 750 cc V twin connected to a large CVT transmission making the bike fully Automatic, they offered bikes in all kind of different styles from a Heritage clone lookalike, to a Raked out chopper. They continued production all the way till 2008 when the recession hit all motorcycle companies and forced Ridley to stop all production. Also due to Ridley using the term" Aurglide" on there engines got the sued by Harley didn't help either😞
YammieBoob also forgot about Motus, and Excelsior-Henderson. I totally agree with the Confederate being gawdy, and Clevelands just plain garbage. A BIG 🖕 to Harleys.
Love your channel! Been watching for years as I progress from noob to whatever's next...quick question, do you use a popper stopper? your VO sounds a bit poppy. Small critique but as an audio guy it's something that would bug me if I was recording it. Keep up the great work dude!
Victory isnt dead, you can see Victory in many of the newest Indian models: Scout, FTR, Challenger, and Pursuit.
He mentions that it's rebranded as Indians, lol
Always love a list! Glad to see more lately.
Though... it's a tough argument to say these are all explicitly _worse_ than Harley. E.g. Victories were pretty nice, if uninspiring, and I love the looks of the Janus and they seem to be built well. (Though I guess that you don't actually mean worse _quality,_ necessarily.)
I LOVE the look and philosophy of JANUS, but it has the same motor as the AMAZON HAWK, a 229cc Chinese Honda clone single cylinder with like 15 hp and torque. Not made for performance, but it has it's place. If it's reliable, and fun then who cares.
Same motor as in design, yes. Same motor as in quality, no. The Janus engines are overseen by SWM. Top end on quality
Janus motorcycles are certainly unique and one of a kind looking bikes. What a great idea, retro bikes!
there's this company called Royal Enfield that you should check out
I am only watching because I couldn't name any companies other than HD and Native American.
You brought it up, I'm not a cruiser boy, but I want a Vmax so badly.
These are fun videos but also I’d like to see more vlog style videos too.
I'm surprised Big Dog Motorcycles didn't make the list.
Janus went light when everyone else is building pigs
Considered getting a HD… went with Indian instead. Love my Scout Bobber 60! 😬
Your engine looks like it came out of a cartoon.
I know about that I use to own Harley Davidson Sprint but got stolen and I try get others bikes but I was injuries and have to wait until I start walking again 17 years later Doctor told me start riding again! I purchased a used Piaggio mp3 250 IE for $1000 & know overhaul it.
There used to be a company that was called Johnny Peg Motors that built custom small displacement motorcycles.
Got a victory v92tc with 300000 miles on it wouldn't trade it for any bike anywhere
I love Janus bikes, but $15-16k for a 450 is a bit much for me. Their 250’s are a fun niche bike, and an decent price. I think they’ve just overshot the price on the 450
Having ridden the 250 for some time, I would go for the 450 if I had the funds. That would be the bike for going on more serious highways.
I Personally think the Janus is super cool looking. But the 250cc bikes are completely useless. And the 450 is like 13k haha I'll buy a used Royal Enfield 500 for 3k
I think it is perfect for around town cruising and getting coffee as well as lazy rides near my mountain home and tourist town in NM.
Do a bobber comparison. Indian scout bobber vs triumph bonneville bobber
Yam, you should do a video about victory, they were a niche brand with a seriously still loyal following, interesting American brand prior to Indian
Janus is a neat little motorcycle company. Almost everything is handmade and the leather seats and bags are made by the Amish. It's rare to see a company who still takes pride in their products and not cutting costs for stock holders.I think it was in poor taste in banding Janus worse than a Harley. Maybe if Janus gives you a bike like Royal Enfield you give a better review. I know all about getting the views.
yes but the engine is the least premium thing on the bike and the most important
14k for a Janus. 5k for a royal enfield that is literally twice the bike. Lol
@@dsiz9421 they're are handmade, not mass produced .
Nope, if you're gonna be on this channel you have to hate literally everything except the most cutting edge sports bike.
@@dsiz9421 one being hand made and the other one stamped steel. It's like comparing a forged Wusthof knife with Farberware stamped knife.
Yammie u need to make a video on the now dead brand Kikker. it was a mini hardtail bobber line-up made out of chinese parts.
The Kikker owner left the owners to their own peril after ending support, and every now and then shills his chinese maintenance parts, whenever he gets them in stock.
Janus is expensive, yes, but I want one.
It would be interesting to see an Arch motorcycle on the channel. I think they look badass.
The big turn off for Janus is the China clone engines. Price is an issue too, but it's the power plants that kill it for me. They look pretty cool, so there is that.
Do you own an iPhone? LCD tv? I'm positive about 90% of the stuff you own are made in China. Don't get me wrong, I would love to own this bike more so if the engine was American but to dog on it for having a Chinese engine makes no sense especially if you wrote your comment here using an iPhone. Just food for thought.
@@jpass12 Don't have an iphone, so you can chill about that. My concern is that getting parts for Chinese engines can be very hit or miss. Quality control can be terrible. That's just my experience with Chinese engines.
@@jpass12 well is there an American made phone? If not your counter is mute.
@@davidtycker are there any small displacement bike motors made in USA? Exactly my point. What I meant by that, is that iPhones while made in China, are of excellent quality. Lifan motors are also of excellent quality and parts can be found everywhere on the internet. By the same argument, I guess you shouldn't by an American truck since they aren't 100% made in the USA.
@@davidtycker Yes, there are cell phones made in America. Librem 5.
Motus is the best American motorcycle manufacturer that nobody ever heard of.
You didn't mention the V-4 motorcycle made here. Can't remember the name.
Any motorcycle is better than no motorcycle. Harley D or not, y'all can shred those roads
You forgot Ridley. No clutch or shifting. Terrible bikes. I think they were sued by Harley for naming their bike the Autoglide.
Every time I see those big Victory cruisers on the road, the George Jetson theme song plays on incessantly.
My only transportation is a KTM 890R and the ever looming EV title wave makes me sick. That’s said, not cool to immediately disrespect someone who’s driving a Tesla. Unless that particular person does something to deserve it. Even though being chill is better. Yammie you are quite influential, use it to instill patience and restraint.
Bush Light. Omg lol. Like I’m with my In-laws.
I can't believe you didn't comment on the Bogosity Motorcycle Corporation... especially the 1000cc Tyrannosaurus Recks...
I got a Janus scrambler 250 and have been very impressed by the engine honestly. Super torquey little 4 stroke!
I don't see how the Janus is worse than Harley after this video.
Swear I have seen this already lol
My wife and I have a few motorcycles and a Janus each will be our next purchase.
I'd love to get behind Janus, but their Chinese end parts turned me off. Was really hoping it was at least all NA made with the cost.
Only the motor is not made in USA.
The motor is great. Once correctly broken in, you can run it at full throttle all day.
@@jpass12 That's incorrect, several parts of the bike are made outside of the U.S.A. including the motor. You can find each and every part assembled state-side and all parts made overseas on their website.
I know not made in USA but it till a bike and injoy riding it but now going get brand new Dragster 200cc Trike! Yammie Noob 🍻
To say that Victory motorcycles are worse than Harleys... AFAIK they're just as reliable as you can get.
Long time Cleveland owner. I'll say, it's a good bike. But the dealer network is shit. They require proper setup. I will say this to, and it is a very harsh and unfortunate situation. 250CCS IS JUST NOT ENOUGH DISPLACEMENT. I have several videos on my channel. You can see where it drops to under 40 mph trying cross a mountain. however in a big city, it would be a brilliant motorcycle to have. The CG based Honda motor is Bulletproof. I've owned also a Chinese dirt bike with the same motor and it is fantastic. Those little Chinese clones just are not enough on the highway.
3 Doors Down opens for Nickel Back.
Please do a video on French motorcycle brands such as
Avinton
Voxan
Midual
Etc.
Love the elden ring reference lol
While there are a lot of two wheeled scooters; there is only one spirited motorcycle and its manufacturer. Ride a Harley and live in the spirit of the ride or… …not. No sweat.
Yammie must have tiny salami, SDE!
I’ve heard of a another company from the Twin Cities that make motorcycles I forget their name sorry
I loved my Victory - 106 CI, smooth power band and off floor more power than Harleys - yes I'm a sad individual
Cleveland ... Nuff Said.
Harley teamed up with an asian company to make a cheap harley
Yammie, watch your editing, lots of slips of the tongue, and even a repeat. Don't go too fast!
I believe this guy was given his opinion directly from harley.
In all the time I have been watching your show,you never did a segment about hayosung motor bikes,what’s up with that🤔
Wait; did you say, "undoubtably"?
I've been riding for 52 years. I am not a newbie. I've ridden American bikes, Japanese bikes, British bikes, etc. I don't care about your opinion
I can’t decide if combat motorcycles are awesome or gaudy.
click bait
Early motorcycles weren't good? Considering that the motorcycle was invented to take the work out of bicycling, they were very good. Yammie, you ride a bicycle up a steep hill while I ride an early motorcycle up, then tell us that early motorcycles weren't very good.
If Lameass Spooge is riding a modern pro-level carbon fiber bike, which may cost 20K or way more, or even an E-bike, your outdated claptrap, deathtrap would have a hard time keeping up down that same hill. I was clocked at 55mph back in 1984 as Junior USCF rider(age 16). My parents had to back off in their car because it was too fast! Old tech, especially tires and brakes are just dangerous.
Not worth the money. 14k start is a joke
Maize, fertility AND Rain xD
I hate V twins, but saying Victory is a worse bike because it failed to HD only because of “marketing?” Dude wtf? I don’t know about you but I’ll take a better built motorcycle over a better marketed motorcycle…duh?!
Shouldn't dump on Janus, if you don't like it just say it's not your thing!
Can't afford a Harley or a Janus.
Love my Honda Shadow and Royal Enfield Himalayan.
I am an older looking model my self so Janus 450 is for me. I don't need speed I am an old bull.........no a young one and we all know how that story goes...........Yammie Noob is young and thinks speed and power is everything. Not according to my record
I like my Janus handmade Haylcyon 250 as I downsized, sold my Harley turned 70 touring days over. A perfect Scoot for bout' town... 🤠🤙
Actually, on a lot of Chinese bikes everything is junk except the engine. The engines are often just fine because they are just older Honda motors. The Chinese just buy the rights to manufacture an older Honda motor and they just make it using the blueprints for it that Honda did. So if Janus only uses the Chinese motor and makes everything else then it should be a good dependable bike. Yammie is just giving a knee jerk reaction like he so often does.
I own a Harley and love the bike, but hate the brand tbh. I don’t like the way their operating as a “luxury” brand
Hey Yammie check your facts on Tlaloc he is the god of water
They could have gotten an engine like a Buell blast from s&s and then they would have an American motor that would have excellent aftermarket availability for parts and accessories as well as the pride of having an American engine. Myself I think the motorcycles would look much better would just Suzuki Savage 650 engine in them.
Speaking of communicators in your motorcycle helmet,
Yammie...what Idiots setup do you use for your motovlogs? Like...what all do you use in your setup?
I use a Sena 20S with a Hero 8black inside the media mod with Sena's supplied 2.5mm to 3.5mm cable Into the media mod from the rear of the Sena's body. With this, I use the Sena's microphone boom as a mic and I get some super clear, u distorted audio
Constructive criticism intended: You are hard for me to listen to. Talk fast, with to much base in the microphone and talking to close to the microphone makes puffy sound. Cheers.
Bogus list. Victory was better than Hardly Abelson.
I'd love to hear your take on the Harley Davidson AMF years. Family members have had 70's era Harley snowmobiles and scooters.
My dad used to sell parts for a distributor in the '70s. I recall several times going with him to different motorcycle shops. It was always perplexing why there were pieces of oil stained cardboard underneath all the brand new Harley-Davidsons...
My dad actually refuses to ride any Harley newer than the AMF Harley’s, he loves them, and still has the two he bought new in the 70’s. I can attest that they are not nearly as bad as a lot of people say, people that bad mouth the AMF bikes have probably never even ridden one. They just go off what they’ve been told. I’ve only ridden them myself a handful of times, but every time I do, I can feel the quality of the American steel in those bikes, it’s hard to explain but I don’t get the same feeling from my modern bikes.
His shovelhead didn’t start leaking oil until the early 90’s which is pretty good for how much he’s ridden it, (probably had around 60k miles at that time) and his ironhead sportster I think he said only started leaking oil late 90’s. The only real problem I’ve seen while riding with him, is occasionally something will vibrate loose, and fall off, and I’ll have to turn around to go retrieve it. To be fair though periodically checking torque on fasteners is part of the maintenance on a motorcycle, especially a HD that vibrates.
What's your favorite Harley Yammie?
Pretty hard to measure D*** sizes with only 14 horsepower...
There are 5 American motorcycle companies😮
Harleys are the best 😤 when it comes to Cruisers everybody wants a Harley cause it is classic and gives a peace ride. Vmax is too sporty to be a cruiser maybe a sports-cruiser.
Was looking at a Harley vs a triumph, picked the triumph due to the bikes I was looking at, rocket 3 all day lol
No shame in going fast in a strait line in comfort lol
If it's Janus motorcycle I would engine swap with Harley engine or Briggs motor
strange bikes indeed
Not sure why you dunk on H-D some much. THey've only been in business for over 120 years, and just because their bikes aren't intended for squids who ride wheelies down public streets (a total jack hole thing to do), or go to track days, doesn't make them inferior.
Cleveland motorworks USA tried selling their bikes in India but no1 even cared to look at it after hearing the price and specs . Even 200cc single cylinder sporty nakeds make 19 to 25hp and they are refined, reliable,feature loaded and fun to ride too in India . Cleveland motorworks were really dead on arrival in India 🤣. And this was couple of years back, now people are moving to RE and whatever brand they want if they have the purchasing power.
To go back to the Janus video... If you want to feel an old school bike, wouldn't you just buy an older Japanese bike They have carburetors too and no safety features or riding features at all... If you want to feel old school, buy a first generation. SV650
I see your on a Triumph, good choice. I own a 09 ultra classic, a BMW Grand America and a 19 Triumph T120 that I love. I checked out the Janus because it reminded me of the early HD’s but with a Communist China engine and a 15K sticker and it’s a hardtail I ask why would anyone lay out their hard earned cash for one when you can get a Triumph. Nice job it was a very honest vid. TY