Jay Rogers' book on Daniel was a paradigm shift in my life in the absolute best way. I cannot possibly promote "In the Days of These Kings" enough. A wonderful read and great for resource checking as well from time to time.
Preterism: What DOES fit the scheme is seized on and used to champion the case for a literal intepretation. What DOESN'T fit the scheme is explained away as just 'symbolism'.
Jesus promised to return in the first century, and the apostles taught that Jesus would return in the first century. There are over 100 verses in the NT about the first century return of Christ.
@@DannyFesperman ''Jesus promised to return in the first century'' No, He did not. In the Book of Revelation (written sometime around 95 AD) , Jesus tells John that He ''is coming quickly''. A better translation of the Greek word 'tachos', is ''suddenly / rapidly''.... denoting an event that is unpredictable and unexpected. That is in keeping with Jesus' many comments about the Faithful maintaining vigil; being constantly on the watch because we ''know not when the Master returns''. I would be very surprised to see even ONE verse in the NT which uncontestably sets the return of Christ Jesus in the 1st Century. Every 2nd Century Church Father: Clement Ignatius, Polycarp, etc, - the Apostolic Fathers, certainly - did not teach that Christ had returned in the previous Century.
@v1e1r1g1e1 Matt 10:23. But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Matt 16:27. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Matt 26:64. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
@@DannyFesperman Given that the verses you quote did not get fulfilled any time around 30 AD... and that Matt 16:27 and Matt 26: 64 were not fulfilled in 70 AD, constitutes a pretty strong argument that Preterism is simply a failed position. Further, unless one chooses to see every second verse of Revelation as symbolic expression for the Christians' struggle in this world, that book of End Times prophecies knocks Preterism right out of the ballpark. The statements Jesus made about the End Times were given when He was in mortal form, and therefore limited in full comprehension of God's ultimate plan of salvation for Humanity. Jesus, BEFORE the resurrection did not have ''all power and authority''. That came only after His resurrection and transformation into glory. Prior to that, Jesus saw God's plans as best as a pure-gene -line could see: better than anyone else ever could, but still limited. The visions Jesus revealed of the future during His earthly ministry were all accurate in as much as He could see - only that Jesus before the Rejection and Crucifixion could not know of God's plan to extend salvation to the Gentiles through the action of the direct outpouring of the Holy Spirit in this, the Church Age.
@@v1e1r1g1e1 Jesus told them that they would still be alive when he returned. Unless we have people on earth today that are 2000-years old, then Jesus returned in the first century like he promised.
I’m a partial preterist but Paul does talk about a literal resurrected body so I’m assuming that means there will be a literal new heaven and new earth.
I think everyone agrees that there will be a new heaven and new earth. Just like another thread on this video, partial preterism is great and that’s what we all mean when we use the term. Full preterism is heretical and you can’t rightly be called a Christian if you are a full preterist. That would be denying the return of Christ our lord in the very last days and denying a whole lot of first rank Christian doctrines.
@@james-cq3mi I didn’t call that idea of new heaven and earth heretical. I said full preterism is heretical. If you believe that every single prophecy in the old and New Testament is already fulfilled, then you do not believe in the future resurrection which is a first rank Christian doctrine. That would make you a heretic
As far as those who defend the late date for Revelation, the most common date given, 95 AD, here is Jerome's Commentary on Galatians 6:10, "The blessed John the Evangelist lived in Ephesus until extreme old age. His disciples could barely carry him to church and he could not muster the voice to speak many words. During individual gatherings he usually said nothing but, "Little children, love one another." The disciples and brothers in attendance, annoyed because they always heard the same words, finally said, "Teacher, why do you always say this?" He replied with a line worthy of John: "Because it is the Lord's commandment and if it alone is kept, it is sufficient." Needless to say, if the late date of Revelation is true, then based on Jerome, the author of Revelation could not have been the Apostle John. He was bedridden by the mid 90s AD, said to have died approximately 98 AD. It then would definitely have to be John the Elder, as some believe was its true author. The late date is based on a 4th century ambiguous quote of Eusebius, who was in turn quoting Irenaeus, who was a late 2nd century Christian writer. There are two interpretations of the quote, both however do not clearly make either dating, early or late absolute. The original Greek version of this quote unfortunately does not aid in either view for its understanding.
Great episode. I've mostly learned from premil rapture teachers. Where do you think we are currently at in Revelation? Is Satan bound? Will God pour out his wrath on Christians?
If you are serious about prophecy, look for the four-volume set “The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers” by Leroy Froom. It is a review of almost every church Father, priest, pastor, and even scientists (Isaac Newton, among others) who wrote about Daniel and/or Revelation. Almost 4,000 pages with extensive notes and cited sources!
I simply can't buy into amillennialism because much of it, like preterism, depends on the idea that Revelation was written before AD 70. If that early date doesn’t hold up, the framework starts falling apart. Preterism assumes Revelation’s prophecies were fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem and Nero’s persecution, but that only works if the book was written before those events happened. Here’s the problem: there’s strong evidence-historical and archaeological-that Revelation was written later, around AD 95-96, during Domitian’s reign. Early church leaders like Irenaeus (who was taught by Polycarp, a direct disciple of John) explicitly said Revelation was written under Domitian, not Nero. Plus, the state of the seven churches described in Revelation 2-3 fits the late first century, not before AD 70. For example, Laodicea is described as wealthy and self-reliant, but it wasn’t until after AD 70, following a major earthquake, that it really became prosperous again. Preterism also heavily ties the Beast to Nero, but the description in Revelation goes far beyond him-things like global influence and universal worship just don’t fit Nero’s limited scope. On the other hand, Domitian’s widespread emperor worship and persecution of Christians line up much better. So for me, premillennialism holds up stronger because it doesn’t hinge entirely on the dating of Revelation. It looks forward to a literal fulfillment of the prophecies, which makes a lot more sense when you consider the evidence for a late date. That’s why I just can’t buy into preterism or amillennialism-it’s too shaky when you dig into the history.
So john in revelation talks about the future destruction of the mighty temple , but doesn't mention that it already just happened 🤔 wouldn't he mention that and also mention that this temple now needs to be rebuilt again before all this happens. I believe it was written before 70AD
@DannyFesperman, I know this idea comes up a lot, but saying that Jesus promised to return in the first century or that the apostles taught this isn’t accurate when we look closely at Scripture. Let me explain why that’s the case. 1. Jesus Didn’t Promise His Return in the First Century While Jesus used phrases like "this generation" (Matthew 24:34) and "soon" (Revelation 22:12), these statements are often misunderstood. Here’s why: “This Generation” (Matthew 24:34): This phrase is tied to the events Jesus described in the Olivet Discourse. Some events, like the temple's destruction (Matthew 24:2), were fulfilled in 70 AD. However, other parts-like His visible return and the gathering of the elect (Matthew 24:30-31)-clearly haven’t happened yet. These refer to future events. The Timing of “Soon”: In Revelation 22:12, Jesus says, “I am coming soon.” But 2 Peter 3:8 reminds us that God’s timing is not like ours: “With the Lord, a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.” What seems like a long time to us isn’t a delay to God-it’s His perfect timing. 2. The Apostles Expected a Future Return The apostles didn’t teach that Jesus would return in their lifetime-they taught that He could return at any time, but they also acknowledged that it might not happen immediately. Here’s what they said: Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3: Paul warns the church not to be deceived into thinking the day of the Lord has already come. He explains that certain events-like the rise of the “man of lawlessness”-must happen first. This shows Paul didn’t expect an imminent return during his lifetime. Peter in 2 Peter 3:3-4: Peter even addresses skeptics who would mock the idea of Christ’s return because it hadn’t happened yet. In verses 9-10, he reminds them that “the Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise” but is patient, giving people time to repent before the final judgment. John in Revelation 1:7: John describes Jesus’ return as an event where “every eye will see Him.” This global, visible event clearly hadn’t happened in the first century. 3. Why Jesus’ Return Is Still Future The events tied to Jesus’ return, as described in the New Testament, haven’t happened yet: Global Mourning: Matthew 24:30 says, “All the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds.” This universal mourning didn’t happen in the first century. Resurrection of the Dead: 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 describes the dead in Christ rising at His return, which hasn’t occurred. New Heavens and New Earth: Revelation 21:1-4 speaks of a time when God will wipe away every tear, and death, mourning, and pain will be no more. Clearly, we’re not living in that reality yet. 4. Jesus’ Words Were Meant to Prepare, Not Confuse Jesus emphasized that no one knows the exact time of His return (Matthew 24:36). His teachings encouraged watchfulness and readiness, not date-setting or assumptions about the timing. The apostles echoed this, urging believers to live faithfully and expectantly, knowing He could return at any moment (Philippians 3:20, Titus 2:13). Conclusion The idea that Jesus promised to return in the first century is a misunderstanding of the biblical text. While parts of His prophecies, like the temple's destruction, were fulfilled in the first century, Christ's global, visible return described in Scripture hasn’t happened yet. I hope this helps clarify things a bit.
@mikemarcil9184 Let me share a few thoughts on why Revelation was likely written after 70 AD and how that fits with John’s focus in the book. 1. John Was on Patmos Around 90 AD Historical evidence strongly supports that John wrote Revelation during his exile on the island of Patmos, under Emperor Domitian’s reign, around 90-95 AD. Early church father Irenaeus, who was a disciple of Polycarp (a disciple of John), wrote that Revelation was received “toward the end of Domitian’s reign” (Against Heresies, Book V). If Revelation was written after 70 AD, it makes sense that John doesn’t mention the destruction of the temple-it had already happened, and his focus was on future prophetic events, not past history. 2. John’s Focus Was on the Future Revelation is a book of prophecy, as John himself says in Revelation 1:3. The purpose of the book is to reveal what is yet to come, not to document past events. While the destruction of the temple in 70 AD was significant, John’s visions are centered on the ultimate return of Christ, the final judgment, and the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1-4). 3. No Mention of Rebuilding the Temple It’s true that John doesn’t mention the need to rebuild the temple, but that’s consistent with how Scripture handles prophecy. Other New Testament writers also reference end-times events without giving every detail: 2 Thessalonians 2:4 speaks of the “man of lawlessness” taking his seat in the temple, implying a future temple. Matthew 24:15 refers to the “abomination of desolation” in the holy place, which points to a functioning temple. John’s focus in Revelation was on broader eschatological events, not the logistics of temple reconstruction. 4. John’s Disciples Taught Premillennialism One important point is that John’s own disciples, like Papias and Polycarp, taught premillennialism. They believed in a literal 1,000-year reign of Christ on earth after His return (Revelation 20:1-6). This shows that John’s teachings were understood as pointing to future events, not something already fulfilled by 70 AD. Papias, who learned directly from John, spoke of a future millennial kingdom. Irenaeus, a disciple of Polycarp, also upheld premillennialism and emphasized the future nature of Revelation’s prophecies. If Revelation were written before 70 AD and referred to the temple’s destruction, it’s unlikely John’s immediate disciples would have interpreted it as pointing to a future millennial reign. 5. The Timing of Prophecy Revelation’s focus on future events makes it clear that the destruction of the temple in 70 AD wasn’t the culmination of prophecy. John was writing about: Christ’s visible return (Revelation 1:7). The millennial reign (Revelation 20:1-6). The new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1-4). The destruction of the temple was an important step in God’s redemptive plan, but it wasn’t the final fulfillment. Conclusion The evidence points strongly to Revelation being written around 90 AD, after the destruction of the temple. John’s focus was on future events leading to Christ’s return, not on recounting past history. The teachings of his disciples, like Papias and Polycarp, confirm that Revelation points to a future fulfillment of God’s promises, including a literal millennial kingdom.
The Bible says there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth wherein Righteousness Reigns and there will be no more crying, no more sorrow, no more pain and NO MORE DEATH. We have not had that since Adam and Eve sinned. It must be future. Of course you will spiritualize it to mean some fairytale existence in the first century.
Why is there no distinction being made between partial preterism and full preterism? Maybe there was somwhere in the video but from a overview this could very be easily mistaken to be promoting full preterism which is already apparent in the comment section as someone answered somebody's question with a full preterist answer. It seems that that person though this video was supporting his view because there isn't a lot of clarification being made on that. Just thought I would point that out hopefully to help and bring clarification. Maybe the title could clarify more or the description or something. Full preterism is kind of speading rampantly on the internet. Anyways love you guys and appreciate all you do.
I came here to say just that. I trust these guys and cannot imagine they'd give the floor to a heresy like FP, but still. The distinction ought to be made.
Jay did mention the "AD 70 hamner, everything looks like a nail" analogy. Full preterists know we believe they are heretics, and all fp propaganda will be deleted and blocked.
Only two types of preterists. Consistent who argue that all of revelation is past. Wrong but consistent. Then there are inconsistent preterists who say some is past and some is future. Inconsistent in their interpretation and also wrong.
It’s not strange to talk about things AFTER AD70 if revelation was written in ad. 96, in fact this one truth refutes preterism full stop. Preterism dependsABSOLUTELY on a Date.
Josephus wrote in 70AD, chariots and armies came down from the skies to attack the city The new Jerusalem was created and many think it sits in Antarctica -
@@eschatology_matters His two books, particularly volume 2, seems to confirm something very similar to Calvin’s view of Romans 11 and Augustine’s view of Romans 2:14-16. No matter what a person’s millennial view, many believe there must be a mass in gathering of elect ethnic Jews in the nation of Israel before the return of Christ. Based on his books, I don’t think this is what Romans 11 means. I feel like I have a superior view of the entire epistle now as well, but waiting for other people to challenge or question him. The books are new but he worked on them for 20 years. There are other UA-cam interviews of him if you’re interested.
@@eschatology_matters - “The Resurrection of Israel” by Staples is excellent. Helps make sense of how Paul taught nothing but what the Law & Prophets spoke of. Chew the meat: spit out the bones; like anything else.
This interpretation raises serious challenges when measured against Scripture. While I understand the appeal of tying everything to AD 70, this view doesn’t align with key biblical truths. Let’s break it down: 1. Global Scope of Prophecy You limit prophecy to the destruction of Jerusalem, but Scripture describes universal, visible events: Revelation 1:7: “Every eye will see Him.” That didn’t happen in AD 70. Matthew 24:30: Jesus describes cosmic signs and His visible return, not just a localized judgment. How do you reconcile these with the idea of a first-century fulfillment? 2. Resurrection and Final Judgment Preterism claims the resurrection and final judgment happened spiritually in AD 70, but: 1 Corinthians 15:12-23: Paul speaks of a physical resurrection tied to Christ’s return, not something symbolic. Revelation 20:11-15: The great white throne judgment clearly hasn’t occurred-death and Hades still exist. Do you truly believe all the dead have been judged and resurrected already? 3. Binding and Defeat of Satan Preterists argue Satan was bound in the first century, but: Revelation 20:1-3: Satan’s binding stops him from deceiving nations, yet deception and evil continue today. 1 Peter 5:8: Peter warns that Satan was still active after Christ’s ascension. How can you claim Satan was fully bound in AD 70 when Scripture and history say otherwise? 4. Christ’s Second Coming You interpret Christ’s return as a symbolic event tied to Jerusalem’s fall, but: Acts 1:11: The angels promise Jesus will return the same way He ascended-physically and visibly. Zechariah 14:4: Christ will stand on the Mount of Olives, splitting it in two. This hasn’t happened. How do you explain these passages if Christ has already returned? 5. The Millennium Reinterpreting Revelation 20’s 1,000-year reign to fit an AD 70 timeline undermines the text: The sequence of events-Satan’s binding, millennium, release, and final defeat-clearly points to a future fulfillment. No historical record shows a literal or symbolic reign of believers with Christ as described. Where is the evidence of this reign, and how does it align with Revelation 20? 6. The New Heavens and New Earth Preterists claim this was spiritually fulfilled in AD 70, but: Revelation 21:4: God promises to eliminate death, mourning, and pain-clearly not fulfilled yet. Romans 8:19-23: Creation still groans for renewal, which will only happen at Christ’s return. Do you honestly believe we’re living in the new heavens and new earth now? 7. Gospel to All Nations You argue that the gospel reached the whole world by AD 70, but: Matthew 24:14: Jesus says the gospel must be preached to all nations before the end. That’s still ongoing today. Revelation 7:9: John sees a multitude from every nation worshiping God-a future vision yet to be fulfilled. How do you reconcile this with the gradual spread of the gospel over centuries? In conclusion, Preterist theology struggles to account for the clear, global, and future fulfillment of key prophecies. It overly spiritualizes or limits events in ways inconsistent with Scripture. The Second Coming, resurrection, final judgment, and new creation are not past events-they are the hope of all believers, rooted in Christ’s visible return and ultimate victory. Preterists, it’s time to reconsider whether your framework truly honors the plain meaning of Scripture. Are you interpreting God’s Word, or bending it to fit your view?
@@Chris_Mouchet Everything you say is wrong, because it is all based on bad premises. You can't end right by starting wrong. Futurism is built on unbelief, so you have to explain everything away, rather than simply believe the simple words of Christ.
@@DannyFesperman I appreciate engagement on the topic, but dismissing an entire perspective without addressing specifics isn’t productive. If you believe my premises are flawed, I’d be happy to discuss them point by point. As for the sun, moon, and stars imagery in the OT, I’m well aware of its prophetic symbolism-but context matters. Let’s keep the discussion focused and respectful.
TWO big questions Preterists fail to explain convincingly are 1 NERO cannot be the beast, the vision is about the HEALED head / the 8th king of rev 17 8-11, 2 John according to Preterists wrote in c67, at that time he said And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; .....so where are the ten horns between 67- 70 ad? the context of 17 8-11 shows that the ten kings receive their power with the 8th king ... and I agree with E B Elliott that it ought to read at the same time rather than for one hour. I will conclude with a third question WHO IS The healed head? Notice the shift Gentry does ... the heads are all Caesars until we get to the healed one. This is poor and in fact a clear indication that the heads cannot be Caesars.
It could be Caligula since he went into a coma for some time and was thought to be dying. When he came to he was definitely a different and very evil man.
@@edwardelliott5756 BALONEY, sorry but you preterists cannot even read the text you quote from. The vision is about A HEALED HEAD and TEN CROWNED horns, none of which apply to Nero!
@@DannyFesperman How could it be written in ad 62? Even Nero's persecution did not START until ad 64! So even if we accepted the early date theory, John could not be exiled until AFTER 64 ad.
Preterist echo chamber is a real thing. Nothing in this resource proves Preterism. Same weak arguments that are unsupported by the full counsel of Gods Word in context
Over 100 verses in the NT deal with the first century second coming of Christ. Jesus promised to return in the first century, and the apostles taught that Jesus would return in the first century.
@FullCounsel12 Matt 10:23. But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Matt 16:27. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Matt 24:34. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Matt 26:64. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
@ Only thing left is gog & Magog, the final battle and the destruction of the earth and new creation No rapture No tribulation No wrath Already happened and was against the Jewish nation - fact
Revelation written before AD70, John's gospel after AD70 as witness to Praeterism. Jesus was revealed as Judge by Paul and Romans 16:20 "shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly".
The New Heavens and a New Earth Is. 65:20 “No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed. “The death,” Jesus conquered was “spiritual death,” by believing the Gospel! John 5:24. Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life Today, an unbeliever remains in a wrathful state of existence, alienated from God’s life, due either to ignorance or unbelief in the Gospel for righteousness! Unbelief obligates an unbeliever to “the flesh,” for their righteousness! The cause of pride, selfish ambition and every evil we experience, “prior to receiving life and immortality.”
These are all very gentile European ways of looking at this subject. All the covenants were written to Israel and Judah. The prophecies of the kingdom of God are written about Israel. Israel is the central key player to prophecy.
Babylon The Medes Persia Greece Daniel 8:21 NKJV - “And the male goat is the kingdom of Greece. The large horn that is between its eyes is the first king. Daniel 11:2 NKJV - “And now I will tell you the truth: Behold, three more kings will arise in Persia, and the fourth shall be far richer than them all; by his strength, through his riches, he shall stir up all against the realm of Greece. Rome is not mentioned anywhere in prophecy, all New Testament beliefs, including preterism, are eisegesis.
Rev says FIVE HAVE FALLEN ONE IS Caesar Augustus Tiberius Claudius Caligula NERO Nero = 666 Nero was known as the beast NERO began the tribulation of Christians post the fire of Rome Daniel’s statue Legs of iron = Rome Toes of iron and clay = Rome & Israel Both became one in persecuting Christians and were responsible for the crucifixion
70ad teachers ignore Daniel 12:1-2 (in part) "...everyone who is found written in the book (of life) will be rescued. Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life." This did not happen in 70ad! This happens on the day of the Lord. The 7 years are not completed. Daniel 7:25-26, Saints are put into the hand of the antichrist for about 3 ½ years. Who would give Saints to the antichrist half way through the 7 years? No one! The first 3½ years is the time-line! The fig tree parable is not about the generation that sees Isreal reborn. Now 76 years, a generation is not that long. The parable is that Jesus returns immediately after the abomination of desolation where the antichrist is in Israel and stops the sacrifices. Immediately, as in 6 weeks, like summer comes after you see a bud on a fig tree or any tree. We rise with the two witnesses on the day Jesus returns half way through the final 7 years. Preterist are trying to negate the book of Daniel as endtime scripture. Even though Jesus is asked about "the end of the age." Pre-trib teachers seem to ignore Rev 20:4-6. "This is the first resurrection. The rest of the dead do not come to life until after the 1,000 years are completed." There is only one resurrection before the 1,000 years! All the scriptures used by Pre-trib teachers are applicable to a post-trib rapture. Teach the truth. Teach: The sacrifices will start and end before Jesus returns. We rise in the first and only resurrection before the 1,000 years with the two witnesses on the day Jesus returns!
Can someone please show me A SCRIPTURE that specifically says there is a gap between weeks 69 and 70? I’m looking for biblical proof please, not anything taught by man but by God Himself. Thanks. I’m just so tired of everybody calling out everyone else these days. Let’s let iron sharpen iron and not sound so legalistic like the Pharisees of Jesus’ day. ❤❤
@lindhend1224 One thing for sure, the 70-weeks ending must culminate in the destruction of the city (Jerusalem) and sanctuary (Temple) according to Daniel 9:24-27. IMO this happened in 70 AD as accounted for in Rev. 19:1-9. Then after the destruction of the harlot just described, you have the destruction of the beast/false prophet. Next comes the thousand years (symbolic) when Satan is placed in limbo, and then released and ultimately defeated when Christ returns for the final judgment, to institute eternity. IMO Satan is still bound at the moment.
Well, I think the author is trying to cover way too much ground for a huge writing from John that requires a lot if unpacking. This is certainly not the way to go about it.
Baroque allegro pieces always work for these type of topics. I know it’s weird but they simply do. R C sproul used handels sinfonia from the Messiah as his theme, and Bruce Gore uses a Bach invention. You guys should explore some Vivaldi, Telemann or Scarlatti.
Because it's assumed we are discussing the orthodox preterist view. That being said, something could have been said pertaining to it. We have several videos calling FP heresy, so our position as a channel is clear. So far every FP who has commented has been blocked and deleted.
Jay Rogers' book on Daniel was a paradigm shift in my life in the absolute best way. I cannot possibly promote "In the Days of These Kings" enough. A wonderful read and great for resource checking as well from time to time.
It is a good book.
I totally agree. Best commentary on Daniel I’ve ever come across. Makes so much more sense. I was once dispensational.
I love it too.
I'm looking to pick it up soon.
Paradise Restored by David Chilton is fantastic!!!
Dr, Gentrys book The Divorce of Israel is a great resource as well
Hmmm, waiting and waiting and waiting for my order to come. 😢
Great to see Jay on here
This was very good!
Thank you
Preterism: What DOES fit the scheme is seized on and used to champion the case for a literal intepretation. What DOESN'T fit the scheme is explained away as just 'symbolism'.
Jesus promised to return in the first century, and the apostles taught that Jesus would return in the first century. There are over 100 verses in the NT about the first century return of Christ.
@@DannyFesperman ''Jesus promised to return in the first century''
No, He did not.
In the Book of Revelation (written sometime around 95 AD) , Jesus tells John that He ''is coming quickly''. A better translation of the Greek word 'tachos', is ''suddenly / rapidly''.... denoting an event that is unpredictable and unexpected.
That is in keeping with Jesus' many comments about the Faithful maintaining vigil; being constantly on the watch because we ''know not when the Master returns''.
I would be very surprised to see even ONE verse in the NT which uncontestably sets the return of Christ Jesus in the 1st Century. Every 2nd Century Church Father: Clement Ignatius, Polycarp, etc, - the Apostolic Fathers, certainly - did not teach that Christ had returned in the previous Century.
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Matt 10:23. But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Matt 16:27. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matt 26:64. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
@@DannyFesperman Given that the verses you quote did not get fulfilled any time around 30 AD... and that Matt 16:27 and Matt 26: 64 were not fulfilled in 70 AD, constitutes a pretty strong argument that Preterism is simply a failed position.
Further, unless one chooses to see every second verse of Revelation as symbolic expression for the Christians' struggle in this world, that book of End Times prophecies knocks Preterism right out of the ballpark.
The statements Jesus made about the End Times were given when He was in mortal form, and therefore limited in full comprehension of God's ultimate plan of salvation for Humanity. Jesus, BEFORE the resurrection did not have ''all power and authority''. That came only after His resurrection and transformation into glory. Prior to that, Jesus saw God's plans as best as a pure-gene -line could see: better than anyone else ever could, but still limited.
The visions Jesus revealed of the future during His earthly ministry were all accurate in as much as He could see - only that Jesus before the Rejection and Crucifixion could not know of God's plan to extend salvation to the Gentiles through the action of the direct outpouring of the Holy Spirit in this, the Church Age.
@@v1e1r1g1e1 Jesus told them that they would still be alive when he returned. Unless we have people on earth today that are 2000-years old, then Jesus returned in the first century like he promised.
I’m a partial preterist but Paul does talk about a literal resurrected body so I’m assuming that means there will be a literal new heaven and new earth.
@@gustingdis What do you think?
I think everyone agrees that there will be a new heaven and new earth. Just like another thread on this video, partial preterism is great and that’s what we all mean when we use the term. Full preterism is heretical and you can’t rightly be called a Christian if you are a full preterist. That would be denying the return of Christ our lord in the very last days and denying a whole lot of first rank Christian doctrines.
@@james-cq3mi I didn’t call that idea of new heaven and earth heretical. I said full preterism is heretical. If you believe that every single prophecy in the old and New Testament is already fulfilled, then you do not believe in the future resurrection which is a first rank Christian doctrine. That would make you a heretic
No, the new heaven and new earth is the new covenant age that we now live in.
@@DannyFespermandoesn't feel particularly new or great
As far as those who defend the late date for Revelation, the most common date given, 95 AD, here is Jerome's Commentary on Galatians 6:10,
"The blessed John the Evangelist lived in Ephesus until extreme old age. His disciples could barely carry him to church and he could not muster the voice to speak many words. During individual gatherings he usually said nothing but, "Little children, love one another." The disciples and brothers in attendance, annoyed because they always heard the same words, finally said, "Teacher, why do you always say this?" He replied with a line worthy of John: "Because it is the Lord's commandment and if it alone is kept, it is sufficient."
Needless to say, if the late date of Revelation is true, then based on Jerome, the author of Revelation could not have been the Apostle John. He was bedridden by the mid 90s AD, said to have died approximately 98 AD. It then would definitely have to be John the Elder, as some believe was its true author.
The late date is based on a 4th century ambiguous quote of Eusebius, who was in turn quoting Irenaeus, who was a late 2nd century Christian writer. There are two interpretations of the quote, both however do not clearly make either dating, early or late absolute. The original Greek version of this quote unfortunately does not aid in either view for its understanding.
Shortly come to pass depends completely upon the date of Revelation whether it’s ad 96, as the EcF taught or 67 as dr Gentry says
When is/was the Great White Throne Judgment?
That’s after Gog and Magog
Which is where we are leading up to - we are in Rev 20:7 - Satans little season where he is released to deceive the world
It was in 70AD.
@@Unique_Monk 70AD
@@DannyFespermanthat idea is so absurd it's not worth consideration
@@RobertEMason Do you not believe what Jesus said?
30:21 - Chilton, “Days of Vengeance”.
Free 8-part lecture covering that commentary on YT.
@@gustingdis - what distinguishes Chilton’s hermeneutical approach from John Owen? Doug Wilson? Gentry? Jim Jordan?
Interesting that Chilton became a full preterist.
@@theres_noplacelike_home - indeed!
You probably get asked all the time but what is that intro\outro song?
I Know My Redeemer Lives by Tim Bushong
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What group/person does this music at the beginning and the ending of this video? Are they singing the Psalms?
I Know My Redeemer Lives by Tim Bushong
Sacred Harp Hymn-277 Antioch
Shade Stone is a phenomenal teacher of the preterist view. Very humble man with an eye opening message. Check him out.
He is a heretic. He admits that he has never been saved.
@@DannyFespermanThose are bold words when you don't know what's in a man's heart. Judge not lest you be judged. Jesus said Love. That's not love sir
@@johndekoyer7588 Sinners go to hell. He has never been saved. Ask him yourself.
He denies the trinity. Shun him.
@@DannyFesperman😂
Great episode. I've mostly learned from premil rapture teachers. Where do you think we are currently at in Revelation? Is Satan bound? Will God pour out his wrath on Christians?
We would say Satan is currently bound, specifically from deceiving the nations.
Check out our material on Amillennialism and Postmillennialism
We are in Rev 21,22. If you are saved, you are in the city. If you are lost, you are outside the city.
If you are serious about prophecy, look for the four-volume set “The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers” by Leroy Froom. It is a review of almost every church Father, priest, pastor, and even scientists (Isaac Newton, among others) who wrote about Daniel and/or Revelation. Almost 4,000 pages with extensive notes and cited sources!
I simply can't buy into amillennialism because much of it, like preterism, depends on the idea that Revelation was written before AD 70. If that early date doesn’t hold up, the framework starts falling apart. Preterism assumes Revelation’s prophecies were fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem and Nero’s persecution, but that only works if the book was written before those events happened.
Here’s the problem: there’s strong evidence-historical and archaeological-that Revelation was written later, around AD 95-96, during Domitian’s reign. Early church leaders like Irenaeus (who was taught by Polycarp, a direct disciple of John) explicitly said Revelation was written under Domitian, not Nero. Plus, the state of the seven churches described in Revelation 2-3 fits the late first century, not before AD 70. For example, Laodicea is described as wealthy and self-reliant, but it wasn’t until after AD 70, following a major earthquake, that it really became prosperous again.
Preterism also heavily ties the Beast to Nero, but the description in Revelation goes far beyond him-things like global influence and universal worship just don’t fit Nero’s limited scope. On the other hand, Domitian’s widespread emperor worship and persecution of Christians line up much better.
So for me, premillennialism holds up stronger because it doesn’t hinge entirely on the dating of Revelation. It looks forward to a literal fulfillment of the prophecies, which makes a lot more sense when you consider the evidence for a late date. That’s why I just can’t buy into preterism or amillennialism-it’s too shaky when you dig into the history.
Jesus promised to return in the first century, and the apostles taught that Jesus would return in the first century.
So john in revelation talks about the future destruction of the mighty temple , but doesn't mention that it already just happened 🤔 wouldn't he mention that and also mention that this temple now needs to be rebuilt again before all this happens. I believe it was written before 70AD
@DannyFesperman, I know this idea comes up a lot, but saying that Jesus promised to return in the first century or that the apostles taught this isn’t accurate when we look closely at Scripture. Let me explain why that’s the case.
1. Jesus Didn’t Promise His Return in the First Century
While Jesus used phrases like "this generation" (Matthew 24:34) and "soon" (Revelation 22:12), these statements are often misunderstood. Here’s why:
“This Generation” (Matthew 24:34): This phrase is tied to the events Jesus described in the Olivet Discourse. Some events, like the temple's destruction (Matthew 24:2), were fulfilled in 70 AD. However, other parts-like His visible return and the gathering of the elect (Matthew 24:30-31)-clearly haven’t happened yet. These refer to future events.
The Timing of “Soon”: In Revelation 22:12, Jesus says, “I am coming soon.” But 2 Peter 3:8 reminds us that God’s timing is not like ours: “With the Lord, a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.” What seems like a long time to us isn’t a delay to God-it’s His perfect timing.
2. The Apostles Expected a Future Return
The apostles didn’t teach that Jesus would return in their lifetime-they taught that He could return at any time, but they also acknowledged that it might not happen immediately. Here’s what they said:
Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3: Paul warns the church not to be deceived into thinking the day of the Lord has already come. He explains that certain events-like the rise of the “man of lawlessness”-must happen first. This shows Paul didn’t expect an imminent return during his lifetime.
Peter in 2 Peter 3:3-4: Peter even addresses skeptics who would mock the idea of Christ’s return because it hadn’t happened yet. In verses 9-10, he reminds them that “the Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise” but is patient, giving people time to repent before the final judgment.
John in Revelation 1:7: John describes Jesus’ return as an event where “every eye will see Him.” This global, visible event clearly hadn’t happened in the first century.
3. Why Jesus’ Return Is Still Future
The events tied to Jesus’ return, as described in the New Testament, haven’t happened yet:
Global Mourning: Matthew 24:30 says, “All the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds.” This universal mourning didn’t happen in the first century.
Resurrection of the Dead: 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 describes the dead in Christ rising at His return, which hasn’t occurred.
New Heavens and New Earth: Revelation 21:1-4 speaks of a time when God will wipe away every tear, and death, mourning, and pain will be no more. Clearly, we’re not living in that reality yet.
4. Jesus’ Words Were Meant to Prepare, Not Confuse
Jesus emphasized that no one knows the exact time of His return (Matthew 24:36). His teachings encouraged watchfulness and readiness, not date-setting or assumptions about the timing. The apostles echoed this, urging believers to live faithfully and expectantly, knowing He could return at any moment (Philippians 3:20, Titus 2:13).
Conclusion
The idea that Jesus promised to return in the first century is a misunderstanding of the biblical text. While parts of His prophecies, like the temple's destruction, were fulfilled in the first century, Christ's global, visible return described in Scripture hasn’t happened yet.
I hope this helps clarify things a bit.
@CAMouc Jesus said on multiple occasions that his audience would still be alive when he returned.
@mikemarcil9184 Let me share a few thoughts on why Revelation was likely written after 70 AD and how that fits with John’s focus in the book.
1. John Was on Patmos Around 90 AD
Historical evidence strongly supports that John wrote Revelation during his exile on the island of Patmos, under Emperor Domitian’s reign, around 90-95 AD. Early church father Irenaeus, who was a disciple of Polycarp (a disciple of John), wrote that Revelation was received “toward the end of Domitian’s reign” (Against Heresies, Book V).
If Revelation was written after 70 AD, it makes sense that John doesn’t mention the destruction of the temple-it had already happened, and his focus was on future prophetic events, not past history.
2. John’s Focus Was on the Future
Revelation is a book of prophecy, as John himself says in Revelation 1:3. The purpose of the book is to reveal what is yet to come, not to document past events. While the destruction of the temple in 70 AD was significant, John’s visions are centered on the ultimate return of Christ, the final judgment, and the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1-4).
3. No Mention of Rebuilding the Temple
It’s true that John doesn’t mention the need to rebuild the temple, but that’s consistent with how Scripture handles prophecy. Other New Testament writers also reference end-times events without giving every detail:
2 Thessalonians 2:4 speaks of the “man of lawlessness” taking his seat in the temple, implying a future temple.
Matthew 24:15 refers to the “abomination of desolation” in the holy place, which points to a functioning temple.
John’s focus in Revelation was on broader eschatological events, not the logistics of temple reconstruction.
4. John’s Disciples Taught Premillennialism
One important point is that John’s own disciples, like Papias and Polycarp, taught premillennialism. They believed in a literal 1,000-year reign of Christ on earth after His return (Revelation 20:1-6). This shows that John’s teachings were understood as pointing to future events, not something already fulfilled by 70 AD.
Papias, who learned directly from John, spoke of a future millennial kingdom.
Irenaeus, a disciple of Polycarp, also upheld premillennialism and emphasized the future nature of Revelation’s prophecies.
If Revelation were written before 70 AD and referred to the temple’s destruction, it’s unlikely John’s immediate disciples would have interpreted it as pointing to a future millennial reign.
5. The Timing of Prophecy
Revelation’s focus on future events makes it clear that the destruction of the temple in 70 AD wasn’t the culmination of prophecy. John was writing about:
Christ’s visible return (Revelation 1:7).
The millennial reign (Revelation 20:1-6).
The new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1-4).
The destruction of the temple was an important step in God’s redemptive plan, but it wasn’t the final fulfillment.
Conclusion
The evidence points strongly to Revelation being written around 90 AD, after the destruction of the temple. John’s focus was on future events leading to Christ’s return, not on recounting past history. The teachings of his disciples, like Papias and Polycarp, confirm that Revelation points to a future fulfillment of God’s promises, including a literal millennial kingdom.
What is the title of the intro song?
I Know My Redeemer Lives by Tim Bushong
@@eschatology_matters cheers man, thank you.
I see evadence that 2 Easdras is valid.
The Bible says there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth wherein Righteousness Reigns and there will be no more crying, no more sorrow, no more pain and NO MORE DEATH.
We have not had that since Adam and Eve sinned.
It must be future.
Of course you will spiritualize it to mean some fairytale existence in the first century.
Yep, I believe it’s future - after Gog and Magog - I believe we are in Satans little season rev 20:7
What does eternal life mean?
@@Unique_Monk NHNE is the new covenant church age now.
@@Unique_Monkamen brother 👊🏼⚡️
Why is there no distinction being made between partial preterism and full preterism? Maybe there was somwhere in the video but from a overview this could very be easily mistaken to be promoting full preterism which is already apparent in the comment section as someone answered somebody's question with a full preterist answer. It seems that that person though this video was supporting his view because there isn't a lot of clarification being made on that. Just thought I would point that out hopefully to help and bring clarification. Maybe the title could clarify more or the description or something. Full preterism is kind of speading rampantly on the internet.
Anyways love you guys and appreciate all you do.
I came here to say just that. I trust these guys and cannot imagine they'd give the floor to a heresy like FP, but still. The distinction ought to be made.
Jay did mention the "AD 70 hamner, everything looks like a nail" analogy.
Full preterists know we believe they are heretics, and all fp propaganda will be deleted and blocked.
@petergouvignon8048 are you a full pretetist?
Are you a full preterist? Last time asking. If you dont answer you're getting blocked
@@eschatology_matters
Of course he is. Block him.
Only two types of preterists. Consistent who argue that all of revelation is past. Wrong but consistent. Then there are inconsistent preterists who say some is past and some is future. Inconsistent in their interpretation and also wrong.
It’s not strange to talk about things AFTER AD70 if revelation was written in ad. 96, in fact this one truth refutes preterism full stop. Preterism dependsABSOLUTELY on a Date.
In that case Revelation would not be a prophecy but historical account.
@@bradsland So does dispensational.
Do you believe what Jesus said, or what Irenaeus said?
Please link your intro music! Or tell me where I can find it!
I Know My Redeemer Lives by Tim Bushong
@eschatology_matters thanks a bunch! Every time I watch one of your vids I think, "I've got to find out who sings this song!"
In the preterist view, when does Revelation 21:2 take place? "And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God."
@@Mike-qt7jp check out Jeff Durbin's youtube video "A Tale of Two Cities"
That is not physical
Josephus wrote in 70AD, chariots and armies came down from the skies to attack the city
Josephus wrote in 70AD, chariots and armies came down from the skies to attack the city
The new Jerusalem was created and many think it sits in Antarctica -
The new Jerusalem is the church today.
When are you going to get Jason Staples on for Romans 11?
Don't know who he is. Why would we have him on for Romans 11?
@@eschatology_matters His two books, particularly volume 2, seems to confirm something very similar to Calvin’s view of Romans 11 and Augustine’s view of Romans 2:14-16. No matter what a person’s millennial view, many believe there must be a mass in gathering of elect ethnic Jews in the nation of Israel before the return of Christ. Based on his books, I don’t think this is what Romans 11 means. I feel like I have a superior view of the entire epistle now as well, but waiting for other people to challenge or question him. The books are new but he worked on them for 20 years. There are other UA-cam interviews of him if you’re interested.
@@eschatology_matters - “The Resurrection of Israel” by Staples is excellent. Helps make sense of how Paul taught nothing but what the Law & Prophets spoke of.
Chew the meat: spit out the bones; like anything else.
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This interpretation raises serious challenges when measured against Scripture. While I understand the appeal of tying everything to AD 70, this view doesn’t align with key biblical truths. Let’s break it down:
1. Global Scope of Prophecy
You limit prophecy to the destruction of Jerusalem, but Scripture describes universal, visible events:
Revelation 1:7: “Every eye will see Him.” That didn’t happen in AD 70.
Matthew 24:30: Jesus describes cosmic signs and His visible return, not just a localized judgment.
How do you reconcile these with the idea of a first-century fulfillment?
2. Resurrection and Final Judgment
Preterism claims the resurrection and final judgment happened spiritually in AD 70, but:
1 Corinthians 15:12-23: Paul speaks of a physical resurrection tied to Christ’s return, not something symbolic.
Revelation 20:11-15: The great white throne judgment clearly hasn’t occurred-death and Hades still exist.
Do you truly believe all the dead have been judged and resurrected already?
3. Binding and Defeat of Satan
Preterists argue Satan was bound in the first century, but:
Revelation 20:1-3: Satan’s binding stops him from deceiving nations, yet deception and evil continue today.
1 Peter 5:8: Peter warns that Satan was still active after Christ’s ascension.
How can you claim Satan was fully bound in AD 70 when Scripture and history say otherwise?
4. Christ’s Second Coming
You interpret Christ’s return as a symbolic event tied to Jerusalem’s fall, but:
Acts 1:11: The angels promise Jesus will return the same way He ascended-physically and visibly.
Zechariah 14:4: Christ will stand on the Mount of Olives, splitting it in two. This hasn’t happened.
How do you explain these passages if Christ has already returned?
5. The Millennium
Reinterpreting Revelation 20’s 1,000-year reign to fit an AD 70 timeline undermines the text:
The sequence of events-Satan’s binding, millennium, release, and final defeat-clearly points to a future fulfillment.
No historical record shows a literal or symbolic reign of believers with Christ as described.
Where is the evidence of this reign, and how does it align with Revelation 20?
6. The New Heavens and New Earth
Preterists claim this was spiritually fulfilled in AD 70, but:
Revelation 21:4: God promises to eliminate death, mourning, and pain-clearly not fulfilled yet.
Romans 8:19-23: Creation still groans for renewal, which will only happen at Christ’s return.
Do you honestly believe we’re living in the new heavens and new earth now?
7. Gospel to All Nations
You argue that the gospel reached the whole world by AD 70, but:
Matthew 24:14: Jesus says the gospel must be preached to all nations before the end. That’s still ongoing today.
Revelation 7:9: John sees a multitude from every nation worshiping God-a future vision yet to be fulfilled.
How do you reconcile this with the gradual spread of the gospel over centuries?
In conclusion, Preterist theology struggles to account for the clear, global, and future fulfillment of key prophecies. It overly spiritualizes or limits events in ways inconsistent with Scripture. The Second Coming, resurrection, final judgment, and new creation are not past events-they are the hope of all believers, rooted in Christ’s visible return and ultimate victory.
Preterists, it’s time to reconsider whether your framework truly honors the plain meaning of Scripture. Are you interpreting God’s Word, or bending it to fit your view?
Over 100 verses. Believe Jesus, not Irenaeus.
@@DannyFesperman why do you continually misrepresent what I say and not engage with anything I say?
@@Chris_Mouchet
Everything you say is wrong, because it is all based on bad premises. You can't end right by starting wrong. Futurism is built on unbelief, so you have to explain everything away, rather than simply believe the simple words of Christ.
@@Chris_Mouchet
Do you realize how many times the sun, moon, and stars were destroyed in the OT?
@@DannyFesperman I appreciate engagement on the topic, but dismissing an entire perspective without addressing specifics isn’t productive. If you believe my premises are flawed, I’d be happy to discuss them point by point. As for the sun, moon, and stars imagery in the OT, I’m well aware of its prophetic symbolism-but context matters. Let’s keep the discussion focused and respectful.
TWO big questions Preterists fail to explain convincingly are 1 NERO cannot be the beast, the vision is about the HEALED head / the 8th king of rev 17 8-11, 2 John according to Preterists wrote in c67, at that time he said And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; .....so where are the ten horns between 67- 70 ad? the context of 17 8-11 shows that the ten kings receive their power with the 8th king ... and I agree with E B Elliott that it ought to read at the same time rather than for one hour. I will conclude with a third question WHO IS The healed head? Notice the shift Gentry does ... the heads are all Caesars until we get to the healed one. This is poor and in fact a clear indication that the heads cannot be Caesars.
It could be Caligula since he went into a coma for some time and was thought to be dying. When he came to he was definitely a different and very evil man.
It was written in 62AD, not 67AD. The rapture had already happened by 67AD.
@@bradsland Look into history and you will find Nero is a perfect fit.
@@edwardelliott5756 BALONEY, sorry but you preterists cannot even read the text you quote from. The vision is about A HEALED HEAD and TEN CROWNED horns, none of which apply to Nero!
@@DannyFesperman How could it be written in ad 62? Even Nero's persecution did not START until ad 64! So even if we accepted the early date theory, John could not be exiled until AFTER 64 ad.
Nope
Preterist echo chamber is a real thing.
Nothing in this resource proves Preterism. Same weak arguments that are unsupported by the full counsel of Gods Word in context
Over 100 verses in the NT deal with the first century second coming of Christ. Jesus promised to return in the first century, and the apostles taught that Jesus would return in the first century.
@@DannyFespermanshow me one where He says first century.
@FullCounsel12
Matt 10:23. But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Matt 16:27. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matt 24:34. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Matt 26:64. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
When was Armageddon? When did Wormwood hit the earth? When did the sea turn to blood? It's a non starter.
Rivers of blood filled the streets of Jerusalem during the massacre of 1.1 million Jews
@Unique_Monk Doesn't explain everything in Revelation by any means whatsoever.
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Only thing left is gog & Magog, the final battle and the destruction of the earth and new creation
No rapture
No tribulation
No wrath
Already happened and was against the Jewish nation - fact
Where is Armageddon in the Bible?
@DannyFesperman
Nuclear winter:
Revelation 6:12
Acts 2:20
Joel 2:20
200 million man army:
Revelation 9:15-19
The battle:
Jeremiah 50
Ezekiel 39:11-15
Nuclear weapon:
Zechariah 14:12
Revelation written before AD70, John's gospel after AD70 as witness to Praeterism. Jesus was revealed as Judge by Paul and Romans 16:20 "shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly".
The New Heavens and a New Earth
Is. 65:20 “No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.
“The death,” Jesus conquered was “spiritual death,” by believing the Gospel!
John 5:24. Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life
Today, an unbeliever remains in a wrathful state of existence, alienated from God’s life, due either to ignorance or unbelief in the Gospel for righteousness!
Unbelief obligates an unbeliever to “the flesh,” for their righteousness! The cause of pride, selfish ambition and every evil we experience, “prior to receiving life and immortality.”
These are all very gentile European ways of looking at this subject. All the covenants were written to Israel and Judah. The prophecies of the kingdom of God are written about Israel. Israel is the central key player to prophecy.
Are you referring to Israel the nation, the Jewish religion, or the Jewish ethnicity? If you are referring to the Jewish religion, which one?
Babylon
The Medes
Persia
Greece
Daniel 8:21 NKJV - “And the male goat is the kingdom of Greece. The large horn that is between its eyes is the first king.
Daniel 11:2 NKJV - “And now I will tell you the truth: Behold, three more kings will arise in Persia, and the fourth shall be far richer than them all; by his strength, through his riches, he shall stir up all against the realm of Greece.
Rome is not mentioned anywhere in prophecy, all New Testament beliefs, including preterism, are eisegesis.
Ah ths NKJV - that explains it all not
@jimdee9801 then why don't you just explain everything and be done with it?
No way can Nero be the beast, he is the sixth king/ in Gentry’s scheme, THE VISION IS ABOUT THE HEALED HEAD AND TEN ACTIVE KINGS
Rev says FIVE HAVE FALLEN
ONE IS
Caesar
Augustus
Tiberius
Claudius
Caligula
NERO
Nero = 666
Nero was known as the beast
NERO began the tribulation of Christians post the fire of Rome
Daniel’s statue
Legs of iron = Rome
Toes of iron and clay = Rome & Israel
Both became one in persecuting Christians and were responsible for the crucifixion
70ad teachers ignore Daniel 12:1-2 (in part) "...everyone who is found written in the book (of life) will be rescued. Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life." This did not happen in 70ad! This happens on the day of the Lord. The 7 years are not completed. Daniel 7:25-26, Saints are put into the hand of the antichrist for about 3 ½ years. Who would give Saints to the antichrist half way through the 7 years? No one! The first 3½ years is the time-line!
The fig tree parable is not about the generation that sees Isreal reborn. Now 76 years, a generation is not that long. The parable is that Jesus returns immediately after the abomination of desolation where the antichrist is in Israel and stops the sacrifices. Immediately, as in 6 weeks, like summer comes after you see a bud on a fig tree or any tree.
We rise with the two witnesses on the day Jesus returns half way through the final 7 years. Preterist are trying to negate the book of Daniel as endtime scripture. Even though Jesus is asked about "the end of the age." Pre-trib teachers seem to ignore Rev 20:4-6. "This is the first resurrection. The rest of the dead do not come to life until after the 1,000 years are completed." There is only one resurrection before the 1,000 years! All the scriptures used by Pre-trib teachers are applicable to a post-trib rapture. Teach the truth. Teach: The sacrifices will start and end before Jesus returns. We rise in the first and only resurrection before the 1,000 years with the two witnesses on the day Jesus returns!
Can someone please show me A SCRIPTURE that specifically says there is a gap between weeks 69 and 70? I’m looking for biblical proof please, not anything taught by man but by God Himself. Thanks. I’m just so tired of everybody calling out everyone else these days. Let’s let iron sharpen iron and not sound so legalistic like the Pharisees of Jesus’ day. ❤❤
The great tribulation was 64-66AD against Christians. The wrath of God was 66-70AD against unbelieving j**s in Jerusalem, Mystery Babylon.
@lindhend1224 One thing for sure, the 70-weeks ending must culminate in the destruction of the city (Jerusalem) and sanctuary (Temple) according to Daniel 9:24-27. IMO this happened in 70 AD as accounted for in Rev. 19:1-9. Then after the destruction of the harlot just described, you have the destruction of the beast/false prophet. Next comes the thousand years (symbolic) when Satan is placed in limbo, and then released and ultimately defeated when Christ returns for the final judgment, to institute eternity. IMO Satan is still bound at the moment.
Well, I think the author is trying to cover way too much ground for a huge writing from John that requires a lot if unpacking. This is certainly not the way to go about it.
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Its nonsense
great conversation. horrible theme music.
Amazing music
Great comment. Horrible taste in music
Baroque allegro pieces always work for these type of topics. I know it’s weird but they simply do. R C sproul used handels sinfonia from the Messiah as his theme, and Bruce Gore uses a Bach invention. You guys should explore some Vivaldi, Telemann or Scarlatti.
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@ottoman9029 fair enough. But saying I Know My Redeemer Lives is "horrible", well....appreciate you 👊
to repeat @chrisjohnson9542 Why is there no distinction being made between partial preterism and full preterism?
Because it's assumed we are discussing the orthodox preterist view.
That being said, something could have been said pertaining to it.
We have several videos calling FP heresy, so our position as a channel is clear.
So far every FP who has commented has been blocked and deleted.