WOW I'm so happy my friend Tim Riley is doing good my old boss in Goshen Indiana used to do southern gospel concerts And I got to be the hotess and I still remember when Tim Riley and his singing group came and sang that night I was in my 20's back then now I'm 41 the years really do go by fast the older you get I'm now happily married of almost 2 years to a awesome husband Michelle Rose Maldonado.
just wondering when I get down to b1 to a1 my voice sounds more like the bottom notes on a pipe organ down to F1. It just seems an unusual sound. Only two types of music that has it is southern gospel music and the Russian Orthodox church music
one of the few bass singers that don't use that awful double sounded bass effect a lot of singers use today... I always liked Tim and George Younce... real bass singers that sound natural..not the deepest, but they are the best sounding ones.
The only issue I have is what he said about "building up your diaphragm." The diaphragm is a muscle, but the body has no independent control over the diaphragm. You actually have to use your 4 sets of abdominal muscles in order to move the diaphragm. But Tim is by far my favorite bass singer in SG music.
its a little shaky but ive never heard anyone sing a note that low with good reliability/stability so thats not to discredit him. tim riley can throw down bass with the best of them
the Low voice sounds like he is doing throat singing . So is it vocal cords or false vocal cords its different from the rest of his voice. maybe to many cigars does that low register change in the notes sound then a rest of the voice range
D Clarkbars the tone placement place a big part. search a video with Chris West, who was taught by Tim. He explains placement more in detail. Most sgm bass singers will slip into fry at some point, trump k is to get it to sound more natural and the placement gives it a fuller sound, coupled with proper breathing. I sing sgm bass, and have studied with a man who worked a lot with jd sumner, this is where I am getting info. a lot of basses don't want to admit to using dry, however fry is a natural register of the human voice so no need to be embarrassed by it. strengthen it like any other muscle and use it
@@logthekill5427 I'm curious to know how low JD could get without fry...has that person you mentioned ever told you? Also, to the OP here, it seems like a pretty common phenomenon, among singers who fall somewhere in the Basso Profundo category, to exhibit a major volume dropoff below about A1. I can't think of very many exceptions to this, though the legendary choral singers Glenn Miller and (the late) Mikhail Zlatopolsky seem to be able to cross that line without it happening much, if at all. I can tell Tim isn't doing throat singing here, especially if you're talking about Kargyraa. That has a completely different sound than what's here. I think he's just getting down past where his voice sits most naturally, but that's just my best guess. Everyone reaches that point somewhere...it just varies from person to person (in Tim's case, it's at a MUCH lower pitch than just about everyone, lol). I also remember Tim telling me once in person that the lower the frequency of the note, the harder it becomes to project (or something along those lines...I usually have to hear or read things twice in order to avoid mis-remembering them).
@@GamingDrummer89 I was told JD could reach the 2nd to lowest A on the piano (not the last note but the A above) in his normal voice. I'm not the OP, but I know with proper time placement and placing it in the mask your volume is much greater and it gives you cut. This is logthekill btw, (logthekill is my sons account, lol). Tim is most certainly not doing the throat singing. The main thing is a person aha to be a true bass singer to sing like this. If you're more baritone, it's not gonna happen like this. My voice when singing bass is more like Brock Speer crossed with Ray Dean Reece. Use a netting pot and keep your sinuses clear. Get this tone placement down. When done properly, it is gonna tickle a lkl most in your sinus cavities. Watch videos of JD, he often will rub his cheek below his eye.... reason being the vibrations. Believe it or not, Tim actually started as a lead singer! I once hears George Younce talk about Lee Roy Abernathy being a teacher of his at the Stamps Baxter school of music. The advice George was given is such an important one; be a lead singer with a low voice.... the depth will come. Tim Riley himself told me about 12 years ago, "just keep doing what your doing and around about 35 years old your voice will change again". I am now 39 and Tim was indeed correct, as notes I used to struggle singing in chest voice are much easier. The contra bass singing is much stronger and.fuller now as well.
@@cincinnatipedalsteel4347 Not too surprised he could reach at least contra A in chest voice. I've heard him speak lower, though (down to Eb1), although it's tough for my ears to tell the difference between chest, fry, and a mix of the two once you get below G1 or so. I've heard Ray Dean Reese say the same thing about JD scratching his face before...there's a video I saw with, I believe, Matt Fouch of Legacy Five getting some bass singing tips from several people, and Ray Dean Reese tells you to watch JD in videos and you'll see him scratch under his eye. I can't find the video currently, though. I'm not sure if it's just because he's insanely good at placement or if it's that combined with a naturally stronger voice, but I feel like Tim Riley, out of all non-choral bass singers (something he told me himself he's never done is choir stuff), would be my first choice to sing in a choir without close amplification. I'm actually, sooner than later, going to be making my 4th bass singer compilation video (first one I've done in over 8 years!), and it's going to feature A LOT of clips of bass singers doing their thing without close amplification or mics. You can bet Tim will get a few clips there! And Leroy Abernathy...Tim mentioned him to me when I met him back in 2011 (when Gold City made one of their rare California visits). I remember London Parris was trained by him as well. As far as vocal registers go, I don't think Tim would ever want to use any type of throat singing or extra-modal techniques. I remember asking Tim in person about vocal fry, and he said he didn't know what I meant, and then I demonstrated what I meant, and he responded with "Oh nooo, I can't stand that!". Hahaha! To me, it sounds like when most people get into their 1-2 lowest notes that they're in some kind of mixed chest voice. I can't be certain, though, as I'm not a vocal instructor or expert (though I've become fairly discerning above F#1 with regards to registers), so take that last sentence with just a grain of salt or two. Tim also told me something similar about the aging process and bass singing...he said he could sing a C2 at 14 years old and that the lowest he's gotten in his life was Eb1. I told him my lowest ever was about a Bb1, and he said something about the 35 year mark. To be honest, I'm not a singer and if I was, I'd probably be a low Baritone rather than a Bass or Basso Profundo...I just remember trying to get as low as I could in the morning (when my voice is usually lower) back in 2008 and I was able to reach Bb1. I hope I didn't give him the impression I was a bass singer, lol. Plus, I hit that note when I was 19 and I haven't been able to duplicate it since, even in the morning!
@@GamingDrummer89 the video you are talking about with Ray is on the couch with fouch, yes. Tim has that resonance, jeff Chapman, Chris west. Aaron mccune, wtc. Its basically their physicality (vocal folds are wide, long so they have deep voices naturally) and as Tim says here, clearing the sinus cavities and using them for resonance along with proper breathing. The bass part is the one that takes most air. I remember being taught by Bill Baize (not a bass, but a fine tenor in his day and still to this day as fsr as I know)... he had me use a book and do push ups with my diaphragm against a wall. Proper posture is important too. Tim talks about taking this way, I was told by someone who was around mike holcomb alot ahen they were young... he told me Mike never uses to talk like that, deep and resonant. He worked at it. It's like anything, they work at it, as Tim says, and work at it and work at it. They do their vocalizations, breathing, sinus clearing things, etc. same as a ball player shoots free throws. The same as the greatest pianist still run scales, etc. But I'm with you on the choral singing. Tim is up there for his resonance and amplificaiton for sure!
I wonder who had the best male country voice in southern gospel music! To bad southern gospel never had a Merle Haggard or George Jones type of vocalist!
I know your comment is kinda old but I think for the best country voice in southern gospel music you have to listen to James Payne - That Night Jack Daniels Met John 3:16ua-cam.com/video/pygg80dxasg/v-deo.htmlsi=QBRjunaAv03l51Q2 or Del Way - The Old Man Is Dead ua-cam.com/video/zELSTBc4Q84/v-deo.htmlsi=VQO1nZPJlD4YfBJx. I think these two are the closest to a Merle Haggerd or George Jones type of vocalist eventhough they are not as popular as those legends of country music.
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Tim is probably the greatest bass singer of all time. Every other bass singer in Gospel music looks to him as the standard.
Jeff Chapman from the Kingdom Heirs listed him as a favorite singer.
He's up there for sure. Chief/Parris/Younce/Hall are all up there as well. At some point it's subjective, I was always a Parris guy...
George younce was better.
Thanks brother for the video of Tim Riley!! now I find the correct way of to sing bass. THANKS.....Blessings
WOW I'm so happy my friend Tim Riley is doing good my old boss in Goshen Indiana used to do southern gospel concerts And I got to be the hotess and I still remember when Tim Riley and his singing group came and sang that night I was in my 20's back then now I'm 41 the years really do go by fast the older you get I'm now happily married of almost 2 years to a awesome husband Michelle Rose Maldonado.
The master, giving a lesson.
just wondering when I get down to b1 to a1 my voice sounds more like the bottom notes on a pipe organ down to F1. It just seems an unusual sound. Only two types of music that has it is southern gospel music and the Russian Orthodox church music
bass singer's teacher
one of the few bass singers that don't use that awful double sounded bass effect a lot of singers use today... I always liked Tim and George Younce... real bass singers that sound natural..not the deepest, but they are the best sounding ones.
They good bass singers
The only issue I have is what he said about "building up your diaphragm." The diaphragm is a muscle, but the body has no independent control over the diaphragm. You actually have to use your 4 sets of abdominal muscles in order to move the diaphragm. But Tim is by far my favorite bass singer in SG music.
Well he's not a doctor
That's false. You do have independent control over the diaphragm to an extent, and you can strengthen it as well with breathing exercises.
@@hypercubemaster2729 yep, can confirm.
THE Man!
Thank you.
*Green..Green*
Name your kid Tim and a bass singer is born 😜😜
1:22 low note is Eb1, ridiculous
Why hello there
its a little shaky but ive never heard anyone sing a note that low with good reliability/stability so thats not to discredit him. tim riley can throw down bass with the best of them
At the beginning, they sound like a couple bullfrogs in the night
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Máster singer
He is an amazing bass that his only problem was that George Younce was around
Anyone else think they sound like a couple bullfrogs when they go waaoh?
the Low voice sounds like he is doing throat singing . So is it vocal cords or false vocal cords its different from the rest of his voice. maybe to many cigars does that low register change in the notes sound then a rest of the voice range
D Clarkbars the tone placement place a big part. search a video with Chris West, who was taught by Tim. He explains placement more in detail. Most sgm bass singers will slip into fry at some point, trump k is to get it to sound more natural and the placement gives it a fuller sound, coupled with proper breathing. I sing sgm bass, and have studied with a man who worked a lot with jd sumner, this is where I am getting info. a lot of basses don't want to admit to using dry, however fry is a natural register of the human voice so no need to be embarrassed by it. strengthen it like any other muscle and use it
@@logthekill5427 I'm curious to know how low JD could get without fry...has that person you mentioned ever told you?
Also, to the OP here, it seems like a pretty common phenomenon, among singers who fall somewhere in the Basso Profundo category, to exhibit a major volume dropoff below about A1. I can't think of very many exceptions to this, though the legendary choral singers Glenn Miller and (the late) Mikhail Zlatopolsky seem to be able to cross that line without it happening much, if at all.
I can tell Tim isn't doing throat singing here, especially if you're talking about Kargyraa. That has a completely different sound than what's here. I think he's just getting down past where his voice sits most naturally, but that's just my best guess. Everyone reaches that point somewhere...it just varies from person to person (in Tim's case, it's at a MUCH lower pitch than just about everyone, lol). I also remember Tim telling me once in person that the lower the frequency of the note, the harder it becomes to project (or something along those lines...I usually have to hear or read things twice in order to avoid mis-remembering them).
@@GamingDrummer89 I was told JD could reach the 2nd to lowest A on the piano (not the last note but the A above) in his normal voice.
I'm not the OP, but I know with proper time placement and placing it in the mask your volume is much greater and it gives you cut.
This is logthekill btw, (logthekill is my sons account, lol). Tim is most certainly not doing the throat singing. The main thing is a person aha to be a true bass singer to sing like this. If you're more baritone, it's not gonna happen like this. My voice when singing bass is more like Brock Speer crossed with Ray Dean Reece. Use a netting pot and keep your sinuses clear. Get this tone placement down. When done properly, it is gonna tickle a lkl most in your sinus cavities. Watch videos of JD, he often will rub his cheek below his eye.... reason being the vibrations.
Believe it or not, Tim actually started as a lead singer!
I once hears George Younce talk about Lee Roy Abernathy being a teacher of his at the Stamps Baxter school of music. The advice George was given is such an important one; be a lead singer with a low voice.... the depth will come.
Tim Riley himself told me about 12 years ago, "just keep doing what your doing and around about 35 years old your voice will change again". I am now 39 and Tim was indeed correct, as notes I used to struggle singing in chest voice are much easier. The contra bass singing is much stronger and.fuller now as well.
@@cincinnatipedalsteel4347 Not too surprised he could reach at least contra A in chest voice. I've heard him speak lower, though (down to Eb1), although it's tough for my ears to tell the difference between chest, fry, and a mix of the two once you get below G1 or so.
I've heard Ray Dean Reese say the same thing about JD scratching his face before...there's a video I saw with, I believe, Matt Fouch of Legacy Five getting some bass singing tips from several people, and Ray Dean Reese tells you to watch JD in videos and you'll see him scratch under his eye. I can't find the video currently, though. I'm not sure if it's just because he's insanely good at placement or if it's that combined with a naturally stronger voice, but I feel like Tim Riley, out of all non-choral bass singers (something he told me himself he's never done is choir stuff), would be my first choice to sing in a choir without close amplification. I'm actually, sooner than later, going to be making my 4th bass singer compilation video (first one I've done in over 8 years!), and it's going to feature A LOT of clips of bass singers doing their thing without close amplification or mics. You can bet Tim will get a few clips there!
And Leroy Abernathy...Tim mentioned him to me when I met him back in 2011 (when Gold City made one of their rare California visits). I remember London Parris was trained by him as well. As far as vocal registers go, I don't think Tim would ever want to use any type of throat singing or extra-modal techniques. I remember asking Tim in person about vocal fry, and he said he didn't know what I meant, and then I demonstrated what I meant, and he responded with "Oh nooo, I can't stand that!". Hahaha! To me, it sounds like when most people get into their 1-2 lowest notes that they're in some kind of mixed chest voice. I can't be certain, though, as I'm not a vocal instructor or expert (though I've become fairly discerning above F#1 with regards to registers), so take that last sentence with just a grain of salt or two.
Tim also told me something similar about the aging process and bass singing...he said he could sing a C2 at 14 years old and that the lowest he's gotten in his life was Eb1. I told him my lowest ever was about a Bb1, and he said something about the 35 year mark. To be honest, I'm not a singer and if I was, I'd probably be a low Baritone rather than a Bass or Basso Profundo...I just remember trying to get as low as I could in the morning (when my voice is usually lower) back in 2008 and I was able to reach Bb1. I hope I didn't give him the impression I was a bass singer, lol. Plus, I hit that note when I was 19 and I haven't been able to duplicate it since, even in the morning!
@@GamingDrummer89 the video you are talking about with Ray is on the couch with fouch, yes. Tim has that resonance, jeff Chapman, Chris west. Aaron mccune, wtc.
Its basically their physicality (vocal folds are wide, long so they have deep voices naturally) and as Tim says here, clearing the sinus cavities and using them for resonance along with proper breathing. The bass part is the one that takes most air. I remember being taught by Bill Baize (not a bass, but a fine tenor in his day and still to this day as fsr as I know)... he had me use a book and do push ups with my diaphragm against a wall. Proper posture is important too.
Tim talks about taking this way, I was told by someone who was around mike holcomb alot ahen they were young... he told me Mike never uses to talk like that, deep and resonant. He worked at it. It's like anything, they work at it, as Tim says, and work at it and work at it. They do their vocalizations, breathing, sinus clearing things, etc. same as a ball player shoots free throws. The same as the greatest pianist still run scales, etc.
But I'm with you on the choral singing. Tim is up there for his resonance and amplificaiton for sure!
I wonder who had the best male country voice in southern gospel music!
To bad southern gospel never had a Merle Haggard or George Jones type of vocalist!
I know your comment is kinda old but I think for the best country voice in southern gospel music you have to listen to James Payne - That Night Jack Daniels Met John 3:16ua-cam.com/video/pygg80dxasg/v-deo.htmlsi=QBRjunaAv03l51Q2 or Del Way - The Old Man Is Dead ua-cam.com/video/zELSTBc4Q84/v-deo.htmlsi=VQO1nZPJlD4YfBJx. I think these two are the closest to a Merle Haggerd or George Jones type of vocalist eventhough they are not as popular as those legends of country music.
dude needs to cleanup bit--- but i feel for him in a way too
what are you talking about?
buttdavis for real