S24 ULTRA ASTROPHOTOGRAPHY: It's Getting Better And WORSE At The Same Time
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
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Here's the full editing video I said I'd do. It's long and in-depth: ua-cam.com/video/ZDQhhOFSCgk/v-deo.html
Also, for those interested, I'll post this detailed comment from a subscriber on my other video about the raw files:
This is from @UltimaGaina (huge thanks for all info here!)
"Meanwhile I have a few more nerdy updates.
I studied the DNG 1.6 standard and the newly released DNG 1.7 standard, and I have to partially rest my case when it comes to PRO mode DNGs.
Basically, it is correct that in April 2023, Samsung switched from uncompressed RAW to 12 bit JPEG compression, inside a DNG container.
But after studying the standard, I can confirm that we are talking about LOSSLESS JPEG compression.
Here is that complicated paragraph:
The DNG specification specifies that while Compression value 7 (JPEG) combined with a PhotometricInterpretation value 6 (YCbCr) or 1 (BlackIsZero) and a uniform BitsPerSample value of 8 indicates normal baseline JPEG compression, the same Compression value 7 (JPEG) combined with another PhotometricInterpretation value and/or another BitsPerSample value is also possible and should always indicate lossless JPEG compression (lossless sequential Huffman, SOF3).
In our case, the compression tag has the value 7 and the Photometric Interpretation has the value 34892 (Linear RAW) which is different than 6 or 1, therefore we are dealing with LOSLESS JPEG compression.
Now, we lost the ability to use the Lightroom Denoise AI algorithm, not because the JPEG compression, but because the file is demosaiced.
The Photometric Interpretation of the uncompressed file was CFA (Color Filter Array), while the JPEG compressed file in Pro mode is demosaiced (Linear RAW).
This is why it is not working with Denoise Ai in Lightroom.
Now stay with me: the new version of GCam app is also using LOSSLESS JPEG inside the DNG container, but they preserve the CFA Photometric Interpretation of the original uncompressed file. This is why GCam DNGs are compatible with Lightroom Denoise AI.
Why Samsung did adopt the same elegant solution? Beats me!
Conclusion:
While it's worse than before April 2023, it's not as bad as we thought: the Pro mode is still preserving (almost) all information. We can denoise it with Topaz Photo AI, instead of LightRoom Denoise AI, with comparable results.
One more thing: the new DNG 1.7 standard has introduced a new, more efficient JPEG XL compression (using a new compression tag: 52546).
(Google: CamCyclopedia JPEG XL)
This is the compression used by Expert RAW on S24.
It can be either lossless or lossy, but based on the very small file size (~6MB) it is very likely that it is lossy, or what Samsung is calling "visual lossless" (=bullshit).
It is still worse than the Pro mode (except for the dynamic range), at it may still be made out of a stack of 8 bit JPEGs, combined into a 32-bit HDR file, and then tone-maped and compressed using the new JPEG XL compression.
So if the original input is garbage (lossy 8 bit JPEGs), the output is just a smaller file containing the same original garbage." -comment provided by @UltimaGaina (thanks again!)
Tip for Night Mode: tapping the timer in the bottom right of the preview will give two options (auto, max). Selecting max will give a max timer of 30 seconds and much better photos. This only works on a tripod, however.
Max only give you 3 seconds. (S23 Ultra)
L @@banditoo7
@@banditoo7not true. I have the s23 and if I leave the phone stable it takes up to 30s
@@Levi1440p not on nightmode it doesn't. 3 seconds max.
ok you clearly don't understand how it works. It's 30s max if you're in the same dark environment the photographer was. If you're in a lit room it will be 3s max. The phone decides what the max is depending on how dark it is. Kind of like the auto screen brightness
Your s22u astro video got me into astrophotography which in turn got me into photography and I went out and bought all my gear. It's still early days and I'm learning but big thanks for the content.
Thanks man, I'm really happy to hear that! I'm so glad that I could be some part of getting you into photography. 😀
Me too luv my 22U
Looking forward to the deep dive. Great video, Brent. Haven't got to play with my S24 Ultra much outdoors as it hasn't stopped raining since I got it. Thanks!
Wow, looks like the Astro mode was improved.
Just doing everything manually was better on the S23U, but seems like Astro Mode is actually usable now.
Thanks for the video, looking forward for the detailed editing one ✌🏻
I love how you like to fool with your phone despite owning great high end gear. It shows an openness and real curiosity that is truly infections. Great work Brent, and nice laid back content as always!!
Thank you for speaking on the the RAW photos issue in Samsung phones! Respect!!
Thanks so much for this video Brent.
I have finally upgraded my telephone to the S24 Ultra 🎉🎉🎉 About time as the Samsung S20 was getting a little out of date. Phone photography has also become a new hobby. I cannot wait to try the astro stuff out myself. Loved this video and look forward to the next one. Take care.
Thanks for the video, looking forward to part 2. Something different is going on in Expert raw. I used to check composition quickly of astrophotos in Snapseed. Expert raw raw photos no longer will load in Snapseed, but Pro raw will. Don't recall that being an issue with S22 Ultra.
Loading expert raw into light room results in weird artifacts
Maybe that's because of the 24MP option that wasn't available on the s22u. I'm only guessing...
Great video. I have the S23 ultra and haven't tried the astro photography yet. However, I hope the 6.1 update didn't screw it up. Bought a video tripod with a fluid head and phone mount when I'm ready!
I upgraded my phone from the S22U to the Google Pixel 8 pro and wow what a difference in the camera, photos, pro raw photos, 50mp pics, astro photos especially look so much better and less processed, idk what samsung is doing with their processing but it's too much now.
Big firmware is coming this week for the camera. Great video Brent👍
"big" .... meaning squashing bugs that the masses have asked for. I have my doubts on them fixing the RAW
@@IamMugs ua-cam.com/video/zPRxyQJ2hGA/v-deo.htmlsi=PJlAoqAD0ERYNwDk it does address the issue
@IamMugs just happy they're quickly listening to the fixes people are asking for
Another great video.
I was almost expecting a rattlesnake to slither on by. I'm glad it didn't happen.
Idk if you've ever been in the desert in February... at night, but I can promise you, if there were any snake out there, above ground, they were snake-sicles. 🐍 🧊
I wanted to thank you for introducing us to all the modes
as you know, I have been following you since 21u on this subject
Basically I would say the 4min astro mode is more than sufficient
And unfortunately yes, RAW is dead
Otherwise, I saw that you were in 24Mpix in Expert Raw
Do you find the output better than 12 or 50Mpix?
Otherwise in companion, what options did you put for:
Adaptive Pixel
high-end digital zoom
softening photos
thanks for sharing
I'm waiting to see the other video of course!
I got the ultra 24 to get that moon shot,just came across this and I lovenit so hope to see what other vids you have done new sub due to this amazing vid
Thanks for the kind words, and the sub, I really appreciate it! And congrats on the new phone, I hope you can get out and enjoy some photography with it.
My S24U takes great pics during the day and stuff on the ground at night, but disappointed with how the images come out of the night sky. I get bad banding effects and auto focus sucks. Wish there was a way to disable the processing that Samsung does to the pictures.
Informative video. I watch most of yours. The DNG issue seems to be the same with my S23 Ultra. Lightroom's Denoise feature doesn't work with the phone's DNGs.
Yeah, it's the same thing. It seems this is how samsung wants all of their raw images to be packaged from now on, which is a huge bummer.
I had my first cloudless night since getting my s24 (not the ultra. Wanted to go down in size after my s21u)
Just doing a 30 second exposure in expert raw turned out fine. Astrophotography mode 4min? Barely anything. I'll have to go out of town on the weekend and try it somewhere other than my backyard
Hi Brent! Thanks again for another well-made video! ✨️ It would be nice if you could test out one of the GCam versions on S24 or even S23 ... especially in terms of improved RAW quality (instead of Samsung AI messups). 🙏🏼
Good video. Always like your videos. Very informative and interesting. Was all set to replace my S22 Ultra with the S24 Ultra but having watched many UA-cam reviews I felt the device was very disappointing. Decided to import an Oppo Find X7 Ultra.
I've heard good things about that Oppo.
Thanks. I'm interested in attaching phone to 10" Dob.
I have the Samsung s23 ultra and I purchased it specifically for the expert raw mode for astronomy and its sky guide, and all of the sudden now it doesn't work at all, when I choose ex raw it no longer opens got any ideas why? Did they take it away? I reached out to them and they didn't know why? Strange I think.
The telephoto is smaller sensor thaν the super telephoto. You should use the super telephoto for beter results
1x lens has the largest sensor.
Thanks so much for this video Brent.
I have finally upgraded my telephone to the S24 Ultra About time as the Samsung S20 was getting a little out of date. Phone photography has also become a new hobby. I cannot wait to try the astro stuff out myself. Loved this video and look forward to the next one. Take care.
I'm glad it helped!
First off. Great video. New subscriber here. I got my s24 Ultra last week. Switched from a pixel 6pro. I definitely see how the images you took of Orion in astro mode looked crappie. I've seen it on mine of the milkyway. Came out with a purple color on it. Couldn't get anything out of it. And like you. I'm an Astro, photographer. Anyway, I was looking in the camera setting menu and found something called Intelligent optimization. There are 3 settings you can choose from. Max, Minimal, or none. I switched it to none. Have to try it out and see if it changes anything. Just thought it might be useful. Update is supposed to come out tomorrow 2/22. Hopefully it will fix things. I love being able to use my phone when I'm out imagining with my scope. Clear skies!!!!!
Hey thanks for the sub, I appreciate it!
Yeah, you can turn those settings off and it might help with the jpeg processing, but that's all it's for; it won't help with the raw images.
Brand new to the astro on a Samsung; I have been using a Pixel for this and it always did an amazing job. I haven't really done much testing in a proper environment but how is Sammie handling this? Do they stack like Google Pixel or is this doing something else? On the pixel, I could set it up, walk away for several minutes and the only editing that was needed was lowering the dark levels. Booked every weekend for camping so hope to get some practice in soon!
The night mode and the astro mode in expert raw are both definitely stacking in the phone. If you want best results with minimal editing, those two options are going to be your jam, with emphasis on the astro mode in expert raw, having up to a 10 min exposure time, though the colors in mode come out weird so you'll probably have to do some minimal editing even if it's on your phone, just to get the colors right.
Im trying to get my head around this 4 min exposure with no star trails. Is that a tracking mount you're using?
No tracker. It's stacking multiple shorter exposures. I'm pretty sure I talked about it a bit in the editing part of the video, but I split that and made a separate video about the whole editing process. It ended up talking like 7 shots at ~19 sec and stacked them in the phone during the 4 min.
That was a really great to see such a great thing in such a small device that fit inside your pocket.📱
Definitely handy to always have this kind of capability on hand.
What I found is the default app does give RAW files but the "expert RAW" doesn't
At 2.26 when you press to take the photo how do you get it to do the 20 second timer? Mine doesn't do that. Thanks
It's not a timer. I changed the shutter speed. You can do it in both pro mode and expert raw mode.
So I did astrophotography with the s22 and got some phenomenal pictures. I've been messing around with the s24 and I feel like I can't get the same pictures it's disappointing in a huge way because I love astrophotography. I'm really glad I'm not the only one who thinks this or sees it. Totally going to watch your second video though on the editing part. Thanks for making this one
Thank you for this. I currently have an S22 and I'm now not going to rush into getting an S24...
Yeah I feel you. If it wasn't for this channel, I wouldn't have upgraded to the S23U or this one from my S22U. Not enough difference for me to personally justify spending that much on a phone. Oh well, at least I could make some videos for you guys about it, lol.
Hi brent thanks again as always for your great work... Hope that samsung fixes this next week with the first updates... If no this would be a shame for sam... Hopefully this isn't happen 🙏🙏
Question: What is the best format to use on S24? and why? thanks
Since raw from pro mode and expert raw is not a true raw i will say jpg. In my experience this phone does not suits for raw shooter and that is a shame. Samsung is ruining a great hardware with very bad software decisions.
Is Iso 800 not too much ? I thought you would use lowest possible for less noise 🤔
Normally that's a good rule of thumb, but unfortunately with astrophotography it's not possible. If you lower the iso for astro, then you won't have enough light to get a properly exposed image, and having a properly exposed image at high iso is always better than having an underexposed image with lower iso, for any scenario, not just astro.
What tripod and phone mount tripod head are you using here? Doesnt seem to be the one in your links.
Oh, that's the Heipi tripod. I don't normally have this one in my phone videos because most phone photographers think it's a bit overkill, but I like it a lot for all kinds of stuff. I made a video about it too, but it's this one: heipivision.com/products/heipi-3-in-1-travel-tripod?sca_ref=4619310.99uWoz6ilv
I used it for this one because I actually forgot all my phone mounts, and luckily this tripod has one built in to the actual head, so it saved me, lol.
Thanks for letting me know. I usually have my big camera and big tripod but since having the S24 Ultra I want to try more phone photography because it's just that good now. So that tripod looks very promising. Will check out your video first tho haha@@BrentHall
Would be interesting to see ten min picture too.
do you think the s23 ultra is better for video and
images than the s24 ultra? great pics by the way nice video
: Would you recommend s24 ultra, as the best camera mobile phone, on android?
Considering overalls like macro, simple portraits, astro, vediography etc etc....
I wanna buy a mobile phone, just for the camera....
I'm a horrible person to answer that. I 've only really ever used Samsung phones for the last decade or more. I'm not a phone camera review or tech review channel. I'm just a photographer who likes to mess around with the phone I happen to own, so I have no idea how the Samsung phones compare to others, unfortunately.
The only thing I can definitively say is that as a photographer, I personally would never buy a phone just for it's camera, but I realize that's due to the fact that I use dedicated cameras for my photography. I use Samsung phones because I like their phone features and their multi-device ecosystems, not because of their camera features. That's just me though.
@@BrentHall : So far I've watched a lott of tech channels, who are not phorographers, say, s24 is the king.
Ofcourse in software n stuffs, it might be.... But I'm not interested in them at all...
I just wanted the perspective from a photographer... I loved your astro vedio using the s24...which is why i had to know your point of view. 😀
How is the DNG file otherwise. I mean for landscapes for example
I did another video on that:
ua-cam.com/video/RdqaMErFILI/v-deo.html
Wow, this video is all what I was looking for, thank you for taking your time to identify the mistakes of what should've a pro experience especially with RAW files, for a long time I was waiting for someone to say the truth about what Samsung are doing in their processing. Especially for us amatuers who like to geek out with a device they have in their pockets, have a feel for what the pros are doing and maybe start out from here into the world of photography.
Buddy try Vivo x 100 pro let's see what a big sensor can do
I'm pretty new, I noticed your iso was in the thousands, don't you want the lowest possible Isolation to help get rid of noise in the photo?
Usually, but you can't do that in astrophotography, there just isn't enough light to collect, especially with phones since you can't do more than a 30 sec exposure. If you're going to do astro, with any camera, then you'll be shooting with very high isos. Space is a dark place, lol. The way we (astrophotographers) get around this is to take many images and stack them to reduce noise. I have a whole astrophotography playlist if you're ever interested.
thanks! I'll check it out!@@BrentHall
No one talks about shooting videos on a flat profile on galaxies anymore....any advice on doing it the right way
The only way you can natively create a flat profile is by switching down to FHD, and even then creating a flat profile isn't going to work like shooting in a log profile. I think there might be some apps out there, like filmic pro, that allow for flat or log profiles, but I don't think it plays with android or samsung phones very well. Never tried it though. If you're wanting better video, but something smaller and inexpensive, you could look into something like the new osmo pocket 3. It has a better sensor, and shoots in log, and is just way better for video overall while still being super compact and much more ergonomic than a phone.
Можно нажимать на стилус... И не тыкать в экран же...
Wow nice video . Thank you for sharing this information
You're welcome, I hope it helped.
I've noticed a degrading in the Astrophotography Mode for quite sometime. When I showed examples on some Facebook groups, I was ridiculed and even abused lol. Now it's a known issue. Keep waiting for it to improve, but I'm guessing that ship has sailed. Oh well. Thanks for the comparison video. I've resorted back to Expert RAW 30 seconds manual mode. I might try Pro mode on my next opportunity.
Amazing how astro picks up the chemtrails at night
oh my god I didint saw any youtuber doing a difrint and a beutiful vidio like whats you are made its out of mind🔥🌟👏
AWESOMEEE !!!
One of best subscriptions I did on youtube. Thank you
Hey thanks man, I really appreciate that! 😀🙏
Way cool!
Thank you for this super interesting video. Those 3 final photos certainly show that today's mobiles are capable of some stunning photos of the sky at night.
As for Samsung's raw, I suspect that the reason they are doing the cardinal sin of processing those supposedly raw files (and by so much) is to disguise the fact that the cameras/s are not quite as good as their marketing would want you to believe. It's certainly a slippery slope of fooling the customer more and more. It also reminds me of today's near 100% autotune/melodyne/miming at live concerts/dehumanising vocals/fake product etc. It also reminds me of todays GPU's and Nvidia/AMD/Intel pushing to have those looming Upscaling and Fake Frames hard-coded (and hidden) as on, permanently...perhaps a few 'options' to fool you.
How would it look at 50ISO and 30seconds?
Very dark
@@BrentHallNever dared to up the ISO as much as you did and was amazed to see myself in pitch black using the pro mode but that was back when got my first S6 Edge , loved it ever since , and now they allow even 30 seconds shutter speed ? That should make it even brighter.
It is always a pleasure to hit that Like button for you. 😊
amazing dude
Thank you for making this video. All s24ultra owners on UA-cam don't bother to make astrophotography videos. This Is why I like your channel. ( same comment for s23ultra as well ) 👍👍
Thanks man, I'm glad you liked it!
Hi Brent I'm a new subscriber ,,ur welcome,,,,can u please do the OnePlus 12❤️🔥
Hey, thanks. I appreciate that! I'd love to try out other phones, but unfortunately, this is all I have.
@@BrentHall alright thx u ,,,, maybe some other time ❤️🔥❤️🔥
I really wanna know how best/good the master mode is on the OnePlus 12,, that's why,,but anywho ,,,thx u again ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
And OnePlus 11 5G too
@@mrunknown6557 oh yeah this one to❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
i had no idea this was even a feature
Well I hope this video helped then, because astro is fun! 😀😁
Can you test the Xiaomi 14 Ultra?
No, unfortunately I don't have anything but the Samsung.
I am new to the channel... I must say he is very underrated
I'll take that as a compliment...though I prefer "unknown" to underrated! 😅😉
I'm hoping the upcoming update will fix all of this.
I highly doubt it will. I don't think Samsung views this as an issue. I think they designed it way because that's what they want, but we'll see. I'll certainly check after the update. Just don't hold your breath for a fix for this.
You shouldn't avoid 5x. In fact (daytime) this lense +sensor is of higher quality than 3x
It is cool photos! I want to buy S24! Thank you!!!
So is the 24 ultra good or not so good for astro photography? 🤔
That really depends on your personal definition of good. If you think my images were decent and would be happy with similar quality results, then yeah, it's good. If you thought they weren't great and wouldn't be happy with similar results, then you might want to look into a different camera for astro.
As far as phones go, I think it's pretty solid.
@@BrentHall So in your opinion the camera of the 24 ultra is rather good for astro photography? 🙂
But I will never agree to Compare Camera with any Phone, Big Lies . Cameras are Truly Real to Real Professional Photographers. Have great day People
How do you like New Mexico?
I love it.
My friend, you are great, I recorded the video, thank you for sharing very good information.
Star trail using samsung s24 ultra settings:
ua-cam.com/users/shortsU8dbjwMIpYw?si=uMoWqEoCkU2fP3rK
Cool
The light stuffs it
I have found that the expertraw files are unusable for the past 2 generations. Pro mode on the other hand gave much better results when editing
Anyone experienced heat while using camera in s24 ultra
To me the images look amazing the pictures are cool
Yeah, I really do think it's impressive what you can get out of a phone now! As more serious photographers, we're just being more nit-picky about the technical side of things, like the raw files and how they are being compressed in the phone, but overall, you can still do some cool stuff with the phones.
You should use your pen to take your photos. Much more comfortable
I have been so disappointed with the S24 Ultra for astro 😔 The 50mp sensor and lens aren't great. Wish I would have gone for the S23 instead!
Ironically, the best phone I've found for astrophotography is the Moto One, it costs 90 dollars and far outperforms my S21 ultra
Eh I prefer the way iPhone takes astro photos. The pixel is also really nice but the thing I dont like about pixel is the overprocessed look it has. iPhone has more "grain" in it because it does less processing and it looks a bit more natural like film. The Galaxy Astro mode is honestly not doing it for me. It looks washed out every single time. And I dont care for the character of it. Id rather go with Pixel or iPhone. And then aside from Astro mode, I choose iPhone because the telephoto lens is much more reliable and it captures more light and at times it even out zooms the Galaxy's telephoto as well due to the amount of light it can capture.
I do believe Apple or Sony pay to Samsung to keep it to lower Quality Photos on this Phone,
First One Mate 💚
It's all digital guys. Samsung is making you think you took a great photo of the moon. I take long zooms photos on the lake at sunset and they turn out out grainy in s23 ultra. My $600 infrasonic camera takes better zoom shots.
Samsung top 1 camera in mobile.
S23 ultra was better at astrology right?
S23 ultra still king!
yeah, after s24 ultra
Try xiaomi phone´s for astrophotography. It´s way better than samsung
S24 200 mp gimmick is garbage
Fake Samsung Images.
Whats the best tripod for the s24 ultra ?
I mean, really anything will work. Just depends on your budget and what features you like and need. I have a few that I use linked in the description, but there's just tons of tripods out there from super cheap to quite pricey.