@@b3n751you can say whatever you want, but its still stupid as hell, because reeves still got penalized and suspended, setting the precedent that charging, hit to the heads are a 5 game suspension, and a match penalty. So here is a charging, hit to the head. Both hits were on a player that had there had down, and could have done things to better prepare themselves for a hit to make it legal, but didn't resulting in the hit being to the head. Sooooo, since the situations are so similar, clearly the nhl will follow its precede---. Wait, hold on, your telling me there's no penalty on the call? And now the leafs are on the kill? Like others have said, its a fuckin joke that one of these can be called so severely while the other gets nothing, if reeves got nothing you wouldn't hear complaints from me at least, and probably not from most fans.
Suck it up, they do it all the time, they ALWAYS get guys for retaliation... it's a joke... I agree, but don't think the league is rigged against TML or for VGK
If this hit was on reaves instead of knies, none of you would be crying foul. It’s a clean hit and a learning opportunity for knies. It’s been so long since kronwall retired, everyone crying about it just doesn’t remember that these hits existed
@CodyMah The question is, if this hit was done by Reaves on any player, how many would be crying, especially if it went unpunished. These hits DID exist but the league has moved away from them. You can't say it's OK when certain players or teams do it but not others. It's either all or nothing and as much as I miss these kinds of hit, today's league hasn't allowed it, unless it's for or against certain teams and that's not right
@@jeffreycairns767 the hits went away because the players that threw them did, not the hits themselves because of the league or rules. Doughty still occasionally throws these, dumba and gudas as well. They don’t get penalized either. Ballard, hamhuis, methot all did the same unpenalized before retiring. It’s not the league or rules, it’s the players.
Maybe not intentionally dirty, but a BAD HIT. The fact that Vegas got a power play off of this was pathetic Edit: it was 100% all head and dirty. Don’t give benefit of the doubt.
How is leaping up with a chicken wing not intentionally dirty?? Did someone yank the rink out from under Whitecloud's skates? And this right after Reaves got 5 games for a 'cleaner' hit. Something is rotten in Denmark.
@@timapple6586 When will people finally start seeing that it's rigged. Not necessarily against the Leafs but in general. Bettman's team has the least amount of penalties of any team this year and gets away with this bs hit?!
@ I wouldn’t disagree. I don’t think he tried to jump into or make contact with Kane’s head. Whiteclouds hit is pretty intentional. If reaves is gone got 5, so should zach.
What's wild is Whitecloud didn't even get a 2 min penalty for that hit. The 2 he got was for roughing with Benoit. Poor Knies.. this will be his 2nd head injury and both times the perpetrators didn't get penalized for it. What a joke.
Ya....the one done by Bennett was such blatant intent to injure....and the NHL does nothing. And then Bennett repeats it again against Marchand...and gets nothing again....and then he tries it again against an Oiler player, I believe. Just sickening stuff.
Even with replays they still get it wrong 😂 The day the refs are interviewed and held accountable after games is the day they start becoming better at their jobs.
Holy hell, gary bettman. i hope you like what you see and keep everyone employed that lets this shit keep happening. Great look for trying to grow the game 👎
@@randombutrelevant the only difference being that Knies saw Whitecloud coming and was anticipating a legal hit, not an arm to the head. Nurse had his head down and was clueless which makes him an idiot
Not a Leafs fan but that hit effing dirty. Whitecloud intentionally wanted to hurt Knies. Look at his feet, he really jumps for full impact. Hope Knies is OK.
Idiot, his feet come off the ice AFTER the hit, which is what happens when 2 dudes skating about full speed collide. There was zero intention, unlike the idiot reaves which you employ.
@@derekl3495 I paused at 0:46, at the moment of contact both skates are on the ice, and the elbow is down. The hit is too high for the position Knies is in, and by driving up into the already high hit it is dangerous. However, there is significant contact to the body as well as the head, so it isn't an illegal hit to the head in terms of the rulebook. There isn't anything else illegal about the hit, so as much as I don't like it, the refs are technically correct on this call.
Slow it down, he didn't hit him with his elbow at all, it was a shoulder, then his elbow/arm extends AFTER the initial contact. He did leave his feet, and the principle point of contact was his head. 2 game sus.
Nope, if there is ANY team in the league Bettman would want to go far it would be? the one with the most fans that would generate the most ratings. Your team management is incompetent for well over 20 years, quit blaming all your idiocy on Bettman, refs and all else. CAD teams have made a few finals in that time (VAN, CGY, EDM, OTT, MTL) they just have not won... Also it's no longer 6 teams, it is 32, so odds have changed. There is NO CONSPIRACY against Canada, you just need excuses to blame for your idiot management for last, what, well... since he's been in office. You idiots think bettman runs the league? Nah, the owners do. NOT A SINGLE THING HAPPENS WITHOUT THE OWNERS TELLING BETTMAN WHAT TO DO>
Another moron leaf fan, Don't you think TML would he his baby? Wouldn't they get the highest ratings of any team in the NHL if they went farther? VGK is considered a small market team. Maybe focus on having decent management (like VGK) vs whining about bettman one day, then refs the next, then bettman, then refs. How about just winning.
Im with Joe on this one. That was a bad hit any other day. I'm no conspiracy theorist but its getting harder and harder not to see the obvious inconsistencies with reffing constantly
Sorry kids this was not a clean hit it may have been unintentional but the Precedent has been set healthy young man is okay I am a fan of hard-nosed hockey and Good Hits but that was elbow
Looks like a good clean hit. Skates on the ice and elbow tucked in on contact. Yes, Whiteclouds skates leave the ice post compact (not illegal). Carry on.
was a clean hit .Even leaf panel agreed. Not a leaf fan, but feel bad for the kid ,had a concussion in junior ,and now 2nd one in the nhl, could be a Lindros situation, short hockey career
Literally the most appropriate comment on here. He did hit him in the head. None of this 'he jumped at him' or he 'elbowed him' None of that. Shoulder, head, contact. Knies needs to keep his head up, but, he hit him in the head. However, so did Perry to Tavares in the PO years back. Should Perry have been suspended cuz head was hit? Nope. That said 1-2 games.
Dreadful decision by the stripes & no coincidence from LV point of view to attempt to take Knies out the game as he's 1 of the Leafs most dynamic players recently! Surely the National Hilarity League will review this hit??
As a habs/ hockey fan I'll tend to look at the hit, and I guess 80% blame the one getting hit, for not protecting himself first. Turning your back on the play etc.. But this is BS. Whitecloud had his arm up and was aiming for his head. Knies didn't lower his head at all prior too. Whitecloud lunged up, with total intent. I see him getting suspended for this, and should of gotten kicked out..
Whitecloud's arm was pinned to his body going into the hit. Knies was bent over going into the hit 100%. Whitecloud did absolutely drive his momentum up into the hit, but never left the ice prior to the hit. There's almost certainly going to be no suspension.
Head contact does not immediately mean it's a penalty. Reaves' penalty was because he contacted Nurse's head, and only his head, there wasn't a path at all through Nurse's body. Whitecloud's hit is head on, directly through the core of Knies, and the head contact was only because he was bent over. Like Leaf fans said 1000000 times on the Nurse hit, Knies' needs to keep his head up to avoid contact.
@Marixa1979 He hit Knies in the chin and drove upwards. The only reason he made any contact with the body is because it was basically head on. At no point was he going for Knies' body, it was always the head
I used to work medical for chicago and rockford. Standing in the tunnel with the officials and players taught me 1 thing. The officiating is corrupt and the officials aren't shy about it. There is no accountability.
@@Kartracer6 If you have evidence of it, you should absolutely get it out there and expose it, instead of just saying things with nothing to back it up.
His feet came up after, he didn't 'jump' into him. Also, do you not understand him being firmly planted on the ice would have been way worse. It is so much better if they are 1 inch off the ice for the head and the knees of both parties. He was off the ice at contact, then was pushed up into the air cuz knies was lower and 2 guys skating 10 k into each other at about 200+ lbs each made contact.,
The entire Rogers panel adamantly defending the hit is also super creepy I guess having watched and played hockey for 30 years gives me precisely no insight into what my eyes have just seen
@@Marixa1979 "dumbest thing said ever"? Wow. That's pretty impressive. 1st place. 2nd place must be "smoking is good for you" doctors circa 1950s. Wonder what 3rd place could be.
How about change it to Delusional Leaf Fans Are Always Whining. Remember when you said it was Nurse fault for allowing Reaves to hit him in the head? LOL>...
Whitecloud started low, exploded up and left his feet to then make contact (primary) to the head. if he stays on his skates i think Knies still gets rocked, but he would have hit Knies's arm/shoulder/chest 1st then the head would have still been hit but secondary, and legal. The Jump/exploding action should be suspendable.
Agree with the ridiculous inconsistency, but in this situation it isn’t the refs, it’s the reviewers that determined it was a clean hit. IT WAS NOT, it is bewildering how this is not a penalty and worthy of suspension, I am confounded.
Since the head is the first thing to hit the ice, it tells me that that's where the impact was. If it had been a hit to the chest, the head would have gone forward, his back would have hit the ice first and then the head would snap back. Sure looks like a head shot to me. Never mind Whitecloud's feet leaving the ice.
@@b3n751 both huge hits. the difference is.. our guy actually got a major and suspended 5 games for it. vegas does it worse and walks away with a power play. the problem isnt the hit as much as the inconsistency of calls. youre clearly clowning around if you cant comprehend that
Ok, if it's not a "hit to the head" how on earth is it not elbowing? and the fact it ended in a penalty to the Leafs was just horrible for the league. I am tired of the discount bin Refs the NHL puts out there.
Thank heavens for Joe Bowen, the true voice of reason. His reaction to the decision was almost as strong as mine but, to be fair, I wasn't broadcasting to a million+ people at the time.
Whitehead leaves his feet and does a direct hit to the others players head that is a disgusting play. If I was the leafs management and coaching staff I would be livid. How in the world is that hit not a major penalty.
Feet come up post hit, they were maybe 1 inch off the ice at contact. Do you morons realize how much worse this would have been if he had been firmly planted? FN moron leaf fans.
Whitecloud’s elbow was clearly down at his side at the time of contact: his upper arm was what made contact with Knies’ head. The elbow came up after. The issue should be if he left his feet before the hit or during the follow through. The announcers keep saying “elbow,elbow,elbow” when the video tells a totally different story: and saying he jumped at least a foot of the ice is beyond ridiculous.
It's calls like these that reminds me to not spend a thousand dollars, or more, taking "one" of my kids to a Leaf's game. The NHL officials, George Parros, the owners, and managers, and the NHL situation room in Toronto can all: Take-Off. The NHL situation room, and all the staff who want to keep their jobs, should be moved to Arizona. Have fun and good bye. At least then Arizona can feel some love from NHL Gary. The Leafs might win more challenges, get fairer calls, and not have to play like they have a target symbol on their backs.
As long as Bettman is still around, he'll always be again Canadian teams, especially the Leafs. In this case, though, it wasn't specifically against the Leafs but for Bettman's team
@Marixa1979 The same way Leafs fans called out Reaves' dirty hit? This was definitely dirty, as was the Reaves hit. The only reason this wasn't called is because it's Vegas
Not really a leafs fan but I am 100% certain what I am seeing in this video is an elevated shoulder and elbow check to a players head. I have no idea what the referees are seeing when they watch the same video. 🤷♂️ The NHL needs to stop saying they have the best officials in pro sports. It's just not true!
The more times I watch it, the more rage I feel towards NHL player safety group. Ridiculous, and having to kill a penalty on top of that is insulting our intelligence. We're not that stupid Parros!!
WOW, just WOW... the elbow? We watching the same replay? It was his shoulder, then after the hit, his elbow moved out when knies was moving the other way. He came off his feet AFTER The contact, which, is what happens when 2 dudes going 10-15 k run into each other. How clueless can you idiot leaf fans be?
@ yep, paused at 46 seconds. Feet on the ice and hit the square of the chest, forward momentum of the leaf player forced his head to his the vegas players shoulder. Correct decision on the ice, we move on
Absolute horse bleep -I love NHL hockey, but the officiating and George Parros are a joke… Reavo gets a 5 min major plus game misconduct plus five games for that hit on Nurse on Saturday… somebody please tell me how Whitecloud’s hit is less severe… not even worthy of a five min major????? Whitecloud left his feet and delivered an elbow to the head. If you ask me, Whitecloud’s hit was good, a hockey hit… but is no different than Reaves on Nurse on Saturday… yet Reaves gets the book thrown at him, Whitecloud gets nothing. Like I said, it’s horse bleep.
The difference between Reaves hit and this one indeed was the principal point of contact. Here Whitecloud is targeting the body/head at the same time but main target is the upper body. However he jumps at the time of the impact and that should be also considered for a stricter penalty. Tough call.
FFS, he DOES NOT JUMP AT THE TIME OF IMPACT, look at the FN replay, his skates are on the ice, then the fact that Knies is lower and he is higher and they are colliding at 10k each into each other makes him rise. Also, you clowns have no clue that keeping both feet 100% on the ice is even worse for potential knee/leg injuries for BOTH parties. If he is firm on the ice, this is way worse for Knies. I don't get how people can't figure this out. That said 1-2 game for the head (intentionally or not) being principle.
@@randombutrelevantyou are an idiot. No matter what you can’t leave the ice in a hit you delusional idiot. Go vote for the libtards because you don’t understand hockey. Knies is 6 foot 3 and skating with his head up. There is no way he should be hit to the head in this scenario, it’s completely intentional. You can’t unintentionally leave the ice on a hit hahaha. I’ve played hockey for over 23 years and that’s completely intentional.
Nope, he was lifted by the contact of 2 200+ lb dudes hitting each other at 10-15 KM and knies was lower (leverage, as in lift) and Whitecloud was higher.
havent the league been saying that the principle point of contact DOESN'T have to be the head as long as the head is targeted? This has to be one of those cases.... If only reaves hadnt been suspended, this game could have been even better
Here’s the decision maker for refs. Knies got got up too quickly. So, no injury to refs, hence no call, it must have been a clean open ice hit - leaving his feet and shoulder into Knies’ head. Sure! If Knies had milked it and perhaps they fetched a stretcher, decision could have been different. Not sayin’ that would be right, but it would have made it questionable. Kudos to Knies for shaking it off.
NHL officiating and the league itself is a joke. How is one hit to the head where the hitter doesn't leave his feet warrent a five game suspension where as another hit to the head where the hitter's skates lift two feet off the ice not even a two minute penalty? Sad.
Elbow? Moron, stop the tape at contact, his shoulder is tucked to his side, can't be more text book. His feet are maybe 1 inch off ice at contact, then they go up, because 2 dudes trucking into each other 200lbs each at 10 k. So, from now on, if any skate is off the ice 1 cm, penalty for 'jumping' FFS. If he keeps his feet firmly planted, Knies is in the hospital, go watch a reverse hit.
@ jeez calling me the moron don’t think you can talk if you can’t see how he throws his elbow out and it’s still head contact and what are you saying if you leave your feet on a hit it’s should always be a penalty it doesn’t matter how high. MORON
Matthew Knies has been nothing but promising. And now he has his second severe hit to the head in his career. This gong show empty headed circus that Bettman's running better clean this up or every dynamic player will have CTE by 30. Inexcusable.
The only consistent thing about NHL referees is their inconsistency.
National Hilarity League??
@@russell-di8js National Hypocrisy League
@@russell-di8js National Hypocrisy League
"100% clean" " keep your head up" "know whos on the ice?"
Ring a bell here leafs fans? Dumb fkn clowns. Karma.
@@b3n751you can say whatever you want, but its still stupid as hell, because reeves still got penalized and suspended, setting the precedent that charging, hit to the heads are a 5 game suspension, and a match penalty. So here is a charging, hit to the head. Both hits were on a player that had there had down, and could have done things to better prepare themselves for a hit to make it legal, but didn't resulting in the hit being to the head. Sooooo, since the situations are so similar, clearly the nhl will follow its precede---. Wait, hold on, your telling me there's no penalty on the call? And now the leafs are on the kill? Like others have said, its a fuckin joke that one of these can be called so severely while the other gets nothing, if reeves got nothing you wouldn't hear complaints from me at least, and probably not from most fans.
Deciding whether a penalty should be a major is inherently subjective. But giving Vegas a power play is ludicrous.
Yup, and no penalty for the hit
Suck it up, they do it all the time, they ALWAYS get guys for retaliation... it's a joke... I agree, but don't think the league is rigged against TML or for VGK
If this hit was on reaves instead of knies, none of you would be crying foul. It’s a clean hit and a learning opportunity for knies. It’s been so long since kronwall retired, everyone crying about it just doesn’t remember that these hits existed
@CodyMah The question is, if this hit was done by Reaves on any player, how many would be crying, especially if it went unpunished. These hits DID exist but the league has moved away from them. You can't say it's OK when certain players or teams do it but not others. It's either all or nothing and as much as I miss these kinds of hit, today's league hasn't allowed it, unless it's for or against certain teams and that's not right
@@jeffreycairns767 the hits went away because the players that threw them did, not the hits themselves because of the league or rules. Doughty still occasionally throws these, dumba and gudas as well. They don’t get penalized either. Ballard, hamhuis, methot all did the same unpenalized before retiring. It’s not the league or rules, it’s the players.
Maybe not intentionally dirty, but a BAD HIT. The fact that Vegas got a power play off of this was pathetic
Edit: it was 100% all head and dirty. Don’t give benefit of the doubt.
The instigator rule is a joke
How is leaping up with a chicken wing not intentionally dirty?? Did someone yank the rink out from under Whitecloud's skates? And this right after Reaves got 5 games for a 'cleaner' hit. Something is rotten in Denmark.
@ it was totally dirty idk why I said maybe not but it pissed me off and I’m not a big leafs fan
@@timapple6586 There was no chicken wing. Absolutely no elbow at all. How was the Reaves hit cleaner? Reaves didn't contact anything but head.
@@timapple6586 When will people finally start seeing that it's rigged. Not necessarily against the Leafs but in general. Bettman's team has the least amount of penalties of any team this year and gets away with this bs hit?!
Vegas fan here. Whitecloud should be suspended. Consistency is needed in calls.
Reeves shouldn't have gotten 5.
Leafs fan here you are wrong it is a clean hit.
@ I wouldn’t disagree. I don’t think he tried to jump into or make contact with Kane’s head. Whiteclouds hit is pretty intentional. If reaves is gone got 5, so should zach.
@ I don’t agree. It looks like he tried to make head contact there at the end.
Leafs fan. Clean hit. I hate saying that, but I'm honest.
What's wild is Whitecloud didn't even get a 2 min penalty for that hit. The 2 he got was for roughing with Benoit.
Poor Knies.. this will be his 2nd head injury and both times the perpetrators didn't get penalized for it. What a joke.
Sucks eh? Suck it up, enjoy getting dusted in the first round again, then blaming everyone but your team.
pause at 0:45
Ya....the one done by Bennett was such blatant intent to injure....and the NHL does nothing. And then Bennett repeats it again against Marchand...and gets nothing again....and then he tries it again against an Oiler player, I believe. Just sickening stuff.
Knies' biggest problem was that he toughed it out and got up off the ice. If he laid there like Nurse we might see some action.
@@JohnnyLREACTS those hits were nothing alike but please continue lol
Brutal hit, wouldnt be surprised to see Kadri get a couple of games for this one.
Reaves, another 5 games
That's actually pretty hilarious, well done.
Remember! It's a conspiracy theory to say the referees are against the Leafs!
Just poor standards of refereeing, no conspiracy needed.
It's not against the Leafs, in this case, it's for the Knights, aka Bettman's team
@@russell-di8js Consistent poor ref standards for Leafs games... hmmm...
@@Xavier-016 Listen it's not just Leaf games, every fan base podcast claims bias Vs their team!
Copium is a hell of a drug lol
Perfect hit. Only came off his feet after contact.
League Is a joke, this is why
Why do you pay attention to it if it such a joke?
@@tonybrown8006 i was born in toronto and played hockey as a kid. every year come spring i wish i hadn't lol
No Leaf fans are a joke
@@kevinbrown4300 your mom has joke, everybody heard it
@timvyfvinkel4542 ok
Even with replays they still get it wrong 😂
The day the refs are interviewed and held accountable after games is the day they start becoming better at their jobs.
They got it totally right, you are just a whining loser leaf fan, like all the rest of them.
how is there still people out there who don't realize the game is rigged against the leafs. It's 2024.
The League needs to review this tomorrow! That is unacceptable!
Sigh...ffs refs
Holy hell, gary bettman. i hope you like what you see and keep everyone employed that lets this shit keep happening. Great look for trying to grow the game 👎
Sorry Homers, clean hit, shoulder chest then rode up.
Vegas fan here. Upon further review, Nazem Kadri has been suspended 8 games.
Saturday headshots bad🤬
Today headshots OK👍
Left his feet, elbow up, head contact. The B crew of officials and situation room folks were on site…and apparently intoxicated.
Lol 😅
leaf fans lol
I like the leafs. There was no elbow up. His elbow was tucked on contact. It really wasn't a dirty hit at all. Knies just needs to keep his head up
@@MrGillie17 you mom needs to keep her head up.
@@fatalfoams not a leaf fan, troll.
This hit should not be a penalty. His arm is close to his body and the elbow hits the chest
Who needs consistency when your playing in a beer league like the NHL
Knies head butted Whitecloud's elbow.
it was actually his shoulder, but idiot knies should 'know who's on the ice and where he is on the ice' Like nurse right?
@@randombutrelevant the only difference being that Knies saw Whitecloud coming and was anticipating a legal hit, not an arm to the head. Nurse had his head down and was clueless which makes him an idiot
2 minutes for diving
Figure it out crayon eating muppet @@randombutrelevant
Not a Leafs fan but that hit effing dirty. Whitecloud intentionally wanted to hurt Knies. Look at his feet, he really jumps for full impact. Hope Knies is OK.
Not even a penalty on the hit
Idiot, his feet come off the ice AFTER the hit, which is what happens when 2 dudes skating about full speed collide. There was zero intention, unlike the idiot reaves which you employ.
pause at 0:45 look at his feet and elbow
@@derekl3495 I paused at 0:46, at the moment of contact both skates are on the ice, and the elbow is down.
The hit is too high for the position Knies is in, and by driving up into the already high hit it is dangerous. However, there is significant contact to the body as well as the head, so it isn't an illegal hit to the head in terms of the rulebook. There isn't anything else illegal about the hit, so as much as I don't like it, the refs are technically correct on this call.
The league needs to put in place harsher rules for hitting the opponents head, targeted or not, the players could face long term medical consequences.
Have all the rules you want...with refs like this it will accomplish nothing.
The rules are already in place. It's the lopsided, tainted enforcement that remains a problem.
"100% clean" " keep your head up" "know whos on the ice?"
Ring a bell here leafs fans? Dumb fkn clowns. Karma.
@@timapple6586 It's only 'tainted' when it doesn't work in your favour... you morons were blaming nurse literally days ago, STFU
Slow it down, he didn't hit him with his elbow at all, it was a shoulder, then his elbow/arm extends AFTER the initial contact. He did leave his feet, and the principle point of contact was his head. 2 game sus.
Bettman doesn’t like Canadian teams this has been going on for 20+ years
Nope, if there is ANY team in the league Bettman would want to go far it would be? the one with the most fans that would generate the most ratings. Your team management is incompetent for well over 20 years, quit blaming all your idiocy on Bettman, refs and all else. CAD teams have made a few finals in that time (VAN, CGY, EDM, OTT, MTL) they just have not won... Also it's no longer 6 teams, it is 32, so odds have changed. There is NO CONSPIRACY against Canada, you just need excuses to blame for your idiot management for last, what, well... since he's been in office. You idiots think bettman runs the league? Nah, the owners do. NOT A SINGLE THING HAPPENS WITHOUT THE OWNERS TELLING BETTMAN WHAT TO DO>
Please
I thought this would be common knowledge by now. It's 2024. What is going on people?
Joe Bowen is such a voice of the people.
Joe Bowen is a joke.
God forbid Bettman's baby gets held accountable
Another moron leaf fan, Don't you think TML would he his baby? Wouldn't they get the highest ratings of any team in the NHL if they went farther? VGK is considered a small market team. Maybe focus on having decent management (like VGK) vs whining about bettman one day, then refs the next, then bettman, then refs. How about just winning.
Im with Joe on this one. That was a bad hit any other day. I'm no conspiracy theorist but its getting harder and harder not to see the obvious inconsistencies with reffing constantly
I think all players should wear skirts and avoid breathing around each other.
Sorry kids this was not a clean hit it may have been unintentional but the Precedent has been set healthy young man is okay I am a fan of hard-nosed hockey and Good Hits but that was elbow
George Perros hates the leafs. Career ended by the leafs.
Nope, you just think this, I thought it was Kerry Fraser's fault? Or Bettmans? Or Gambling? Nah, just your delusional leaf fans nonsense.
@@randombutrelevant I think he means because Colton Orr knocked him out and had to be stretchered off the ice.
100% correct
it;s 2024. the NHL being rigged against the leafs surely is a truism by now.
Refs are a joke, it's a headshot guys. Suspend Whitecloud.
Looks like a good clean hit.
Skates on the ice and elbow tucked in on contact.
Yes, Whiteclouds skates leave the ice post compact (not illegal).
Carry on.
pause at 0:45 look at his feet and elbow. you are correct
Corruption and I'm not even a Leafs fan! NHL is Liable
was a clean hit .Even leaf panel agreed. Not a leaf fan, but feel bad for the kid ,had a concussion in junior ,and now 2nd one in the nhl, could be a Lindros situation, short hockey career
This shit always happens to the Maple Leafs. The American team are always the victims. This league is getting more garbage every game.
Refs are totally disgraceful on this play... that's a BAD HIGH HIT on Knies!!! Hope he is OK 🙏🙏🙏
That is a hit to the Head
Literally the most appropriate comment on here. He did hit him in the head. None of this 'he jumped at him' or he 'elbowed him' None of that. Shoulder, head, contact. Knies needs to keep his head up, but, he hit him in the head. However, so did Perry to Tavares in the PO years back. Should Perry have been suspended cuz head was hit? Nope. That said 1-2 games.
@randombutrelevant you should pay more attention. His head was up
Dreadful decision by the stripes & no coincidence from LV point of view to attempt to take Knies out the game as he's 1 of the Leafs most dynamic players recently! Surely the National Hilarity League will review this hit??
Don’t hold your breath
They just did...
🤦♂
National Hypocrisy League
Referee calls, have be inconsistent all season long?
Hey refs. Did you get paid by someone
As a habs/ hockey fan I'll tend to look at the hit, and I guess 80% blame the one getting hit, for not protecting himself first. Turning your back on the play etc.. But this is BS. Whitecloud had his arm up and was aiming for his head. Knies didn't lower his head at all prior too. Whitecloud lunged up, with total intent. I see him getting suspended for this, and should of gotten kicked out..
Whitecloud's arm was pinned to his body going into the hit. Knies was bent over going into the hit 100%. Whitecloud did absolutely drive his momentum up into the hit, but never left the ice prior to the hit. There's almost certainly going to be no suspension.
There wasn't even a penalty on it
Stop the replay AT CONTACT, where TF is his 'arm up' at contact? Not after, at contact, it is tucked to his side. PERIOD.
pause at 0:45 look at his feet and elbow
Worst call of the year. And I am not a Leafs fan.
Whitecloud leaves his feat and there is head contact. WTF?
I'm glad some non Leafs fans are calling it what it is. All fanbases need to stick together on these kinds of things
Head contact does not immediately mean it's a penalty. Reaves' penalty was because he contacted Nurse's head, and only his head, there wasn't a path at all through Nurse's body. Whitecloud's hit is head on, directly through the core of Knies, and the head contact was only because he was bent over. Like Leaf fans said 1000000 times on the Nurse hit, Knies' needs to keep his head up to avoid contact.
@Marixa1979 He hit Knies in the chin and drove upwards. The only reason he made any contact with the body is because it was basically head on. At no point was he going for Knies' body, it was always the head
I used to work medical for chicago and rockford. Standing in the tunnel with the officials and players taught me 1 thing. The officiating is corrupt and the officials aren't shy about it. There is no accountability.
@@Kartracer6 If you have evidence of it, you should absolutely get it out there and expose it, instead of just saying things with nothing to back it up.
great job NHL with a blatant hit to the head getting reviewed and not even a penalty. What a joke
Possibly the worst call of the season. This is how you lose fans.
Destroyed him
Best call ever, Leafs should lose fans because they are nothing since 67, keep making mLSE rich, drone
@@randombutrelevant It's difficult to match your low iq from what you wrote here. You should apply for a ref i NHL.
was a great hit, knies got fucked
He even left his feet and jumped into the hit. Obvious major penalty and game misconduct.
His feet came up after, he didn't 'jump' into him. Also, do you not understand him being firmly planted on the ice would have been way worse. It is so much better if they are 1 inch off the ice for the head and the knees of both parties. He was off the ice at contact, then was pushed up into the air cuz knies was lower and 2 guys skating 10 k into each other at about 200+ lbs each made contact.,
pause at 0:45 skates on the ice, elbow 6 inches below chin
Go 10 seconds further
@@snapperboat25 10 seconds later, Knies is lying on the ice. your point?
That Whitecloud did indeed leave the ice targeting the head and that indeed was a dirty hit. That’s my point.
@@snapperboat25 @0:45 seconds whiteclouds feet are on the ice and his elbow is tucked and SIX INCHES below knies head. AT IMPACT. its a full body hit.
I call it what it is and this call was absolute BS . The league needs to look at this and act accordingly
They won't
The entire Rogers panel adamantly defending the hit is also super creepy I guess having watched and played hockey for 30 years gives me precisely no insight into what my eyes have just seen
they got a call from the league to toe the company line
@@enladio YUP.
They even went as far as to say he didn't leave his feet, when you can CLEARLY see that he did.
@@enladio That's the dumbest thing said ever. They don't work for the league.
@@Marixa1979 "dumbest thing said ever"? Wow. That's pretty impressive. 1st place.
2nd place must be "smoking is good for you" doctors circa 1950s.
Wonder what 3rd place could be.
Change Department of Player Safety to Department of Random Decisions that make no sense and have nothing to do with Player Safety.
How about change it to Delusional Leaf Fans Are Always Whining. Remember when you said it was Nurse fault for allowing Reaves to hit him in the head? LOL>...
Whitecloud started low, exploded up and left his feet to then make contact (primary) to the head. if he stays on his skates i think Knies still gets rocked, but he would have hit Knies's arm/shoulder/chest 1st then the head would have still been hit but secondary, and legal. The Jump/exploding action should be suspendable.
Agree with the ridiculous inconsistency, but in this situation it isn’t the refs, it’s the reviewers that determined it was a clean hit. IT WAS NOT, it is bewildering how this is not a penalty and worthy of suspension, I am confounded.
Since the head is the first thing to hit the ice, it tells me that that's where the impact was. If it had been a hit to the chest, the head would have gone forward, his back would have hit the ice first and then the head would snap back. Sure looks like a head shot to me. Never mind Whitecloud's feet leaving the ice.
This is why the NHL has become a joke. Those refs should have to pay consequences for blowing calls that bad. What a joke.
Wasn't a blown call lol. These comments are a joke if anything
@@PavelDatsyuk-ui4qv you sound like you have a disease.
Reaves gets 5 games and Whitecloud gets what? Not even a hearing?
Watch how fast the refs jumped in to defend the knights player lol
They knew he would get jumped and rushed to intervene but didn’t care Kniesy caught one in the chin
Yup, and the Knights got the PP out of it. Absolute bs
Buddy open the NHL rulebook.
Rule #1.1: The Toronto Maple Leafs, under no circumstances, are allowed to defend themselves for any reason.
"100% clean" " keep your head up" "know whos on the ice?"
Ring a bell here leafs fans? Dumb fkn clowns. Karma.
@@b3n751 both huge hits. the difference is.. our guy actually got a major and suspended 5 games for it. vegas does it worse and walks away with a power play. the problem isnt the hit as much as the inconsistency of calls.
youre clearly clowning around if you cant comprehend that
Ok, if it's not a "hit to the head" how on earth is it not elbowing? and the fact it ended in a penalty to the Leafs was just horrible for the league. I am tired of the discount bin Refs the NHL puts out there.
Thank heavens for Joe Bowen, the true voice of reason. His reaction to the decision was almost as strong as mine but, to be fair, I wasn't broadcasting to a million+ people at the time.
Where’s Don cherry when the league needs him the most .. rock’em sock’em 2024
Knies was having a great season. Thats too bad.
Whitehead leaves his feet and does a direct hit to the others players head that is a disgusting play. If I was the leafs management and coaching staff I would be livid. How in the world is that hit not a major penalty.
Feet come up post hit, they were maybe 1 inch off the ice at contact. Do you morons realize how much worse this would have been if he had been firmly planted? FN moron leaf fans.
Whitecloud’s elbow was clearly down at his side at the time of contact: his upper arm was what made contact with Knies’ head. The elbow came up after. The issue should be if he left his feet before the hit or during the follow through. The announcers keep saying “elbow,elbow,elbow” when the video tells a totally different story: and saying he jumped at least a foot of the ice is beyond ridiculous.
It's calls like these that reminds me to not spend a thousand dollars, or more, taking "one" of my kids to a Leaf's game. The NHL officials, George Parros, the owners, and managers, and the NHL situation room in Toronto can all: Take-Off. The NHL situation room, and all the staff who want to keep their jobs, should be moved to Arizona. Have fun and good bye. At least then Arizona can feel some love from NHL Gary.
The Leafs might win more challenges, get fairer calls, and not have to play like they have a target symbol on their backs.
As long as Bettman is still around, he'll always be again Canadian teams, especially the Leafs. In this case, though, it wasn't specifically against the Leafs but for Bettman's team
The Leafs win by far the majority of their challenges.
@@jeffreycairns767 Bettman has nothing to do with any of the calls. It's just the Leaf fans playing victim.
@Marixa1979 The same way Leafs fans called out Reaves' dirty hit? This was definitely dirty, as was the Reaves hit. The only reason this wasn't called is because it's Vegas
@Marixa1979 You're kidding, right? There's very few teams that have get less calls go their way
Haha. The good old NHL. It depends on what team is hitting , and what team is receiving ,
Exactly
Not really a leafs fan but I am 100% certain what I am seeing in this video is an elevated shoulder and elbow check to a players head. I have no idea what the referees are seeing when they watch the same video. 🤷♂️ The NHL needs to stop saying they have the best officials in pro sports. It's just not true!
Any other team that’s a major and suspension but cause it’s Vegas he gets just a minor… what a surprise.
he got a minor for the fight afterwards, nothing for the hit.
@@enladioExactly
@@jeffreycairns767 Jealous VGK walked into the league and won the very thing in a couple years you morons havent won in nearly 60? STFU
He doesn’t leave his feet til after the hit…
Holy leafs homers
Holy crap. Unbelievable. Total BS.
Why, and how
Impact lifting him both went down .. don’t cry your wrecking the league
The more times I watch it, the more rage I feel towards NHL player safety group. Ridiculous, and having to kill a penalty on top of that is insulting our intelligence. We're not that stupid Parros!!
Skated head first head down then boom that’s hockey baby ..
That was an obvious head hit, because Whitecloud clearly went upwards...off his feet....and hit him in the face with the elbow.
You’re the reason the league will go soft. It’s through the body the head wasn’t targeted. He’s half a foot taller. That hit was cleaner than ya motha
WOW, just WOW... the elbow? We watching the same replay? It was his shoulder, then after the hit, his elbow moved out when knies was moving the other way. He came off his feet AFTER The contact, which, is what happens when 2 dudes going 10-15 k run into each other. How clueless can you idiot leaf fans be?
Point of contact was the chest.
pause at 0:45 and try and repeat what you just wrote, lol
@ yep, paused at 46 seconds. Feet on the ice and hit the square of the chest, forward momentum of the leaf player forced his head to his the vegas players shoulder. Correct decision on the ice, we move on
He left his feet
Absolute horse bleep -I love NHL hockey, but the officiating and George Parros are a joke… Reavo gets a 5 min major plus game misconduct plus five games for that hit on Nurse on Saturday… somebody please tell me how Whitecloud’s hit is less severe… not even worthy of a five min major????? Whitecloud left his feet and delivered an elbow to the head. If you ask me, Whitecloud’s hit was good, a hockey hit… but is no different than Reaves on Nurse on Saturday… yet Reaves gets the book thrown at him, Whitecloud gets nothing. Like I said, it’s horse bleep.
How do you watch games with Joe Bowen? I'm always wearing my "Holy Mackinaw" Leaf's t-shirt during the games. I miss Joe. 😔
The difference between Reaves hit and this one indeed was the principal point of contact. Here Whitecloud is targeting the body/head at the same time but main target is the upper body. However he jumps at the time of the impact and that should be also considered for a stricter penalty. Tough call.
I disagree, he never jumped, contact was made with both skates on the ice and the impact caused him to be lifted off the ice. Good hit.
FFS, he DOES NOT JUMP AT THE TIME OF IMPACT, look at the FN replay, his skates are on the ice, then the fact that Knies is lower and he is higher and they are colliding at 10k each into each other makes him rise. Also, you clowns have no clue that keeping both feet 100% on the ice is even worse for potential knee/leg injuries for BOTH parties. If he is firm on the ice, this is way worse for Knies. I don't get how people can't figure this out. That said 1-2 game for the head (intentionally or not) being principle.
@@randombutrelevant ffs, calm down, we can make our views without you screaming.
@@randombutrelevantyou are an idiot. No matter what you can’t leave the ice in a hit you delusional idiot. Go vote for the libtards because you don’t understand hockey. Knies is 6 foot 3 and skating with his head up. There is no way he should be hit to the head in this scenario, it’s completely intentional. You can’t unintentionally leave the ice on a hit hahaha. I’ve played hockey for over 23 years and that’s completely intentional.
@@randombutrelevant he does jump while hitting him...I mean...... are you blind?
The leafs should not have been shorthanded
“department of player safety always goes against the #leafs “ Bones
The refs made Joe Bowen proper mad and that's crossing a line
This isn’t refs. It’s coming from Toronto upstairs. They riding a sausage from Vegas. Choking right down on it deep.
How was this not a major penalty?Poor decision by the refs.He actually lifted himself off the ice to hit him.
Nope, he was lifted by the contact of 2 200+ lb dudes hitting each other at 10-15 KM and knies was lower (leverage, as in lift) and Whitecloud was higher.
Such a diverse group of zebras on the ice. Some have no eyes! 👀
They always give the Leafs penalties, just as the Oilers get too many power plays. The Vegas player jumped up to deliver the hit; no penalty?
The Leafs are presently tied for the 7th most PP opportunities per game played and the OIlers are at 31st in PP opportunities per game played.
that's just as bad as the Reaes hit. Has to be the same suspension
Looks like he left his feet
Garbage call. GARBAGE.
How could this hit get nothing... FFS. What a bunch of crap. Just F'in WOW
Keep your head up they teach you in minors
Bettman, continuing the genocide...
Get that plug Parros out of there, theres a guy named Bieksa that has some common sense.
Leafs fans talking 'common sense' Just hilarious!
This call makes no sense. They actually looked at the same footage as us??????
Dirtcloud strikes again...
Ya the hit from behind started it all lol listen to the commentary lies elbows up really!?
havent the league been saying that the principle point of contact DOESN'T have to be the head as long as the head is targeted? This has to be one of those cases.... If only reaves hadnt been suspended, this game could have been even better
Here’s the decision maker for refs. Knies got got up too quickly. So, no injury to refs, hence no call, it must have been a clean open ice hit - leaving his feet and shoulder into Knies’ head. Sure! If Knies had milked it and perhaps they fetched a stretcher, decision could have been different. Not sayin’ that would be right, but it would have made it questionable. Kudos to Knies for shaking it off.
Against Bettman's team? No, they were never calling a penalty. Least penalized team this year. Half as many called as called against the Leafs
Wow That is a direct hit to the head, his feet left the ice by at least a foot antd to think the refs reviewed the play its a disgrace
Feet came up post hit you clown, stop the tape at point of contact. So GD clueless.
NHL officiating and the league itself is a joke. How is one hit to the head where the hitter doesn't leave his feet warrent a five game suspension where as another hit to the head where the hitter's skates lift two feet off the ice not even a two minute penalty? Sad.
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I am not a Leaf fan. This should be a major penalty with at least a 4 game suspension.
He jumps and elbow wtf is this
Elbow? Moron, stop the tape at contact, his shoulder is tucked to his side, can't be more text book. His feet are maybe 1 inch off ice at contact, then they go up, because 2 dudes trucking into each other 200lbs each at 10 k. So, from now on, if any skate is off the ice 1 cm, penalty for 'jumping' FFS. If he keeps his feet firmly planted, Knies is in the hospital, go watch a reverse hit.
@ jeez calling me the moron don’t think you can talk if you can’t see how he throws his elbow out and it’s still head contact and what are you saying if you leave your feet on a hit it’s should always be a penalty it doesn’t matter how high. MORON
That's a high hit from a roll of toilet paper
Awful call but Whitecloud isn't known for dirty hits.
Matthew Knies has been nothing but promising. And now he has his second severe hit to the head in his career. This gong show empty headed circus that Bettman's running better clean this up or every dynamic player will have CTE by 30. Inexcusable.