The defense was that because of her mental state at the time that she didn't make the connection that it was a baby at the time. While she was convicted it's possible she did have such an episode as the lack of emotion and the statements she made about removing the baby from the toilet and putting it on the floor and stuff are all pretty consistent with not having formed emotions about the situation at the time and not perceiving the baby as a human. Not saying it's necessarily true, but I think the reason it was rejected is that American juries have a tendency to think that accepting a plea deal, seeing it as a soft option for the crime without considering it as a -possibility. IF, for example, she was in the state described, she would not have been able to make decisions based on right and wrong at the time, which for legal reasons would make her not guilty by reason of insanity. She'd be sentenced to an indefinite period in a secure psychiatric hospital until such time as it was determined she had recovered sufficiently that she would not be a danger to herself or others. If that's a personality disorder (they can't be treated), that would mean a full life sentence without the possibility of leaving.
@@nochannel1q2321 Yeah I know, but it’s still a terrible defense. First of all, who’s gonna take a child murderers word that they just had a random one day bout of psychosis that was responsible for killing her baby, very convenient. Her tone during the interview does not at all convince me; I’m not against abortion, but there are so many pro-choice women who take it beyond the right to abortion and straight up just hold no value for a babies life. She could be right up there with the woman chanting, “F*** them kids,”. The second reason why it’s a terrible defense is because as you mentioned she could potentially be locked up in a psych ward indefinitely. Also she didn’t take the plea deal, she rejected it to plead not guilty by reason of insanity which is what the jurors rejected; she should’ve taken the plea deal if this was her only defense considering the plea deal was 15 years and now she has to wait 20 years to even be eligible for parole.
1:55 you don’t even have to go to a hospital in my state. There is literally newborn baby drop off boxes at every single one of our fire departments. You can have that baby at home, drop it off at a fire department without having to be seen and without giving your name. There are no questions asked. They are alerted as soon as a baby is dropped off and they take care of the baby while medical help is contacted and on their way, and after being evaluated at the hospital, that baby will be fostered or adopted in a day or two. It’s that easy.
@@aj897 ik fr, there's a huge problem with adoption in the US there's around 2-3 million Americans every year on the adoption waiting list and it ends up taking way too long to adopt so they adopt children from certain countries because it's faster.
8 miles away and I don't even remember this making the news or anything. Muskingum University is strange, and everyone that I ever met that went there was a little "off".
She came across as very cold and detached. I can't remember if they said where she lives but there are places in the 🇺🇸 that have Safe Haven laws where you can drop off your newborn baby without criminal charges.
I'm with Gaynor, I would open the bag. I lived in a sorority house in college. It's not like an apartment, where there are individual units and you don't know your neighbor, it's communal living, and this is a really small school, so it's probably not more than 12 girls living there. Maybe it was still warm when they picked it up, or maybe it was leaking. I'd open it if only to know who left their trash outside to say something to them. BUT I also find it hard to believe no one woke up or knew any of this happened in that house.
so she is by any means obviously detached from reality, maybe its her reality but detached from the reality of the public, I don't even wanna start to ask if her state allows abortions because that is apparently a hot topic in the US. Holy shit what a weird story, and a freaking sad one..
This is so bad. There are many things to do if a girl has a baby but doesn't want to keep the baby. They can take the baby to a hospital or fire station or a church and just tell them the situation that she can't keep the baby and then let the baby live and the baby would be adopted to a good family. There is no excuse for killing a baby, none! The total disregard of hers and to kill that baby is horrendous. I loved being pregnant. Had all 3 boys within a year or so apart in the 80s. I remember coming out of my church in Las Vegas in the late 70s and saw pamphlets on what an aborted baby looked like and it showed the babies being ripped apart. It was graphic. I already knew even before that that I would never ever abort a baby. I did not believe in that. I was so against it and so adamant about my feelings that I thought if I were to get pregnant and say the doctor told me there would be complications were I to continue my pregnancy like I may die were I to carry to term I still was going to trust God and not the doctors and just see it through. I could not kill a child ever. God is the giver and taker of life I believed and if I died while giving birth then so be it. I just trusted God more and my strong beliefs about the sanctity of life. I did marry and had 3 healthy beautiful babies. These type of people are disturbed in their minds. They do have options. Some people use abortion as a form of birth control. I just can't fathom those people and what they do. You don't kill babies! Adoption is a way to save the baby. There are other ways to handle these situations and saving the child.
hey gaynor, just cuz shes in university doesnt mean shes smart by any means these days its probably quite the opposite this is disgusting behaviour but they've normalized abortion so much that a good amount of people don't see anything wrong with it very sad
Do you not need to pass any tests to get in? You can’t just go to university here! You have to get certain qualifications. I meant she is not of low intelligence. She knows right from wrong. Her only excuse is lack of empathy and moral character.
@@Xfactor444-x4n yeah I know but if it was the 1st month or right at the moment of birth it doesn't matter it's all the same to her, pretty grotesque if u ask me
This was not a abortion. My wife had a abortion to save her life and it was done safe and legally. Keep your pro-life nonsense to your self until your willing to accept that the mom is a life to and that most babies that go through our horrid foster system dont have a that fairytale life you think they will.
I have opened a suspicious bag on the side of the road before and found a horror inside. I would definitely open a suspicious bag, especially one left where I lived. If it was someone’s garbage I would try to find identifying clues to report them for fly tipping. But imagine this bag just being collected at garbage day and gone, the crime never discovered and this girl would possibly never be charged. Knowing the possibility, it would weigh on my conscience to not know.
Exactly. Bags don't just appear like that. Especially if it's your sorority sister. You know the trash that's going out. All of a sudden a new bag appears in a totally new place than where you usually put it. Yeah I'm investigating
If you find a random black bag on the side of your house when you know nothing is normally there or supposed to be there 99% of people would check and see what it is
@@zay8631 No they wouldn’t, most people would think that a random bag probably has something disgusting in it. I’d be suspicious but I would never touch it.
I’m not defending her at all but she was dumb to take it to trial. Unless you are a millionaire who can afford the best of the best fleet of lawyers, when you are guilty a plea deal is always better than a trial even though you would think no in a trial I have a chance to be set free it’s actually very rare unless again you can afford a team of the best lawyers in the country.
I think she wanted to get caught cause she felt bad. Cause how do you just so nonchalant out the garbage bag beside the house door. Seems like she didn’t care if she was caught
I don't think she wanted to get caught. I think she's a psychopath because of how she has no emotion. Most psychopaths don't think they'll ever get caught, and that's why sometimes they'll do stupid things or be sloppy.
A lot of times psychopaths and extreme narcissists will talk because they think they're so much smarter than everyone else, and they'll be able to convince other people that they're innocent. A lot of times they actually believe they did nothing wrong. The way she seems to have zero emotion makes me think she may be a psychopath.
@@Sandman60077 Yeah she is already fck in the head but the guy keeps messaging her to abort the kid so that's a reciepie for disaster both people not holding any accountability
“Pray about it” No Christian woman would do this.. they would at the very least put it up for adoption. she said she considered abortion, 90 percent of christian women i know are anti-abortion proving she just isnt Christian. so i feel bad for her mother thinking her daughter still cares about what the Lord thinks… she doesnt, mama. she has proven that. She can still be saved but i doubt she gives a crap enough to try…. Somebody wanted that baby. SOMEBODY. there are MILLIONS of poor women who cannot have children who would have given that babygirl the WORLD. This stuff really pisses me off i mean how could you do that? im not a woman and im christian so like i will never understand wanting to kill my own kid and i know its hard but cmon. billions of women have given birth and cared for their chuldren like no other. this is also the mans fault too. what man doesnt want a baby? i mean you may not want one ‘right now’ but what kind of “man” tells his ex “i dont want it” wtf is wrong with people. i would LOVE to have a child , if i wasnt ready then id get myself ready…. Sorry guys lol i know you guys arent religious (im pretty sure atleast and thats fine❤️) but i absolutely hate when people say “just to pray” when THEY murdered someone. no, dont pray about it. pray about it in your jail cell bc Praying can save you from God’s wrath, but not from humans wrath and punishment. Smh 😢
I fully agree but to say 90% you know wouldn't have an abortion are Christian, so 10% still would and you still call them Christian, but not her is unfair.
@ Yeah i over exaggerated but you know what i mean brother , its not that 90 percent want kids its just i feel like most true believers wouldnt ever even think of doin such a thing ya know? im only 22 but like if i found out i had a baby on the way i would get another job and work my ass off just to be able to have that kid ya know? we are all different but yeah
@ well im also from the south so honestly 90% isnt too far off, i mean probably lile 75-80% of people i personally know would never do that , they would rather put the baby up for adoption for the ones who do want the baby
FYI: You don't get to decide who is and isn't a Christian. Anyone, including her could make the same argument about you. That's what's known as the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
I’m a very empathetic person. I just keep imagining a young woman, abandoned by the father, scared of loosing her parents and getting kicked out of school, so scared she didn’t make a sound throughout fing childbirth. After childbirth, women go into shock. She seemed stressed and unstable. Everyone should be held accountable. The father of the child that pushed her into killing the child, her parents, and her. The defense is right. Postpartum depression is real and sad. Whole damn story is sad. She needed help waaaayyyyy before the birth. Poor girl to have to turn to murder
Why is this so shocking?? She's exercising her right as a woman? It was just a clump of cells anyways? Her body her choice literally means that in all scenarios. No ifs ands or buts.
@@Kojak024 Both but the guy keeps wanting the kid to perish and then blames the girl for not getting the baby aborted as soon as possible both should be accountable for being a dumbass for not putting a condom in the first place or just don't do the deed the woman and the guy should both go the jail because he coerced her to abort the baby
@@aj897 did you not read the text messages of the guy in the vid? he keeps coercing her to abort the baby both of them should be in jail of course I'm more pissed with the guy because he wont get any punishment
She's at university and should know better but she is also young and the frontal lobe isn't fully developed until the age of 25 which is respons8ible for decision making. Despite that if she was raised to know wrong from right she should have made the correct decision.
Kids are going to have to start being responsible and learn that there are consequences for their actions. Girls are gonna have to learn they can't just lift their skirt for every guy they meet at a bar because it's fun. I don't know if you've seen those videos where girls (most under the age of 25) throw parties after bedding their 50th or 100th guy. It's disgusting behavior that needs to end.
Imagine trying to use the defense that you didn’t value the baby as a person. No shit, that’s why you’re being sent to jail.
It’s quite scary how she thought that would work.
The defense was that because of her mental state at the time that she didn't make the connection that it was a baby at the time. While she was convicted it's possible she did have such an episode as the lack of emotion and the statements she made about removing the baby from the toilet and putting it on the floor and stuff are all pretty consistent with not having formed emotions about the situation at the time and not perceiving the baby as a human.
Not saying it's necessarily true, but I think the reason it was rejected is that American juries have a tendency to think that accepting a plea deal, seeing it as a soft option for the crime without considering it as a -possibility. IF, for example, she was in the state described, she would not have been able to make decisions based on right and wrong at the time, which for legal reasons would make her not guilty by reason of insanity. She'd be sentenced to an indefinite period in a secure psychiatric hospital until such time as it was determined she had recovered sufficiently that she would not be a danger to herself or others. If that's a personality disorder (they can't be treated), that would mean a full life sentence without the possibility of leaving.
It’s the leftist attitude., you’re bound to see more of it.
@@nochannel1q2321 Yeah I know, but it’s still a terrible defense. First of all, who’s gonna take a child murderers word that they just had a random one day bout of psychosis that was responsible for killing her baby, very convenient. Her tone during the interview does not at all convince me; I’m not against abortion, but there are so many pro-choice women who take it beyond the right to abortion and straight up just hold no value for a babies life. She could be right up there with the woman chanting, “F*** them kids,”. The second reason why it’s a terrible defense is because as you mentioned she could potentially be locked up in a psych ward indefinitely. Also she didn’t take the plea deal, she rejected it to plead not guilty by reason of insanity which is what the jurors rejected; she should’ve taken the plea deal if this was her only defense considering the plea deal was 15 years and now she has to wait 20 years to even be eligible for parole.
kinda like abortion
She will be eligible for parole but that doesn't mean she will get it.
Her mom is crazy too
1:55 you don’t even have to go to a hospital in my state. There is literally newborn baby drop off boxes at every single one of our fire departments. You can have that baby at home, drop it off at a fire department without having to be seen and without giving your name. There are no questions asked. They are alerted as soon as a baby is dropped off and they take care of the baby while medical help is contacted and on their way, and after being evaluated at the hospital, that baby will be fostered or adopted in a day or two. It’s that easy.
Or have them adopted by a family who can’t have kids due to infertility.
@@aj897 ik fr, there's a huge problem with adoption in the US there's around 2-3 million Americans every year on the adoption waiting list and it ends up taking way too long to adopt so they adopt children from certain countries because it's faster.
@@marieneu264 My grandpa always threatened us with leaving us at the fire station if we were bad.
Or the father could've taken her in
Just because someone is up for parole doesn’t mean it will be granted.
correct, VERY few murderers make parole, at least not for 20+ years without a squeaky clean record in prison
8 miles away and I don't even remember this making the news or anything. Muskingum University is strange, and everyone that I ever met that went there was a little "off".
The parole-board is not that lenient on people who kill infants or children
She came across as very cold and detached. I can't remember if they said where she lives but there are places in the 🇺🇸 that have Safe Haven laws where you can drop off your newborn baby without criminal charges.
I'm with Gaynor, I would open the bag. I lived in a sorority house in college. It's not like an apartment, where there are individual units and you don't know your neighbor, it's communal living, and this is a really small school, so it's probably not more than 12 girls living there. Maybe it was still warm when they picked it up, or maybe it was leaking. I'd open it if only to know who left their trash outside to say something to them. BUT I also find it hard to believe no one woke up or knew any of this happened in that house.
I live a 20 minute drive from here. I remember this case, it was crazy. This stuff isnt supposed to be in fly over country.
That chapter is the best
She got life in prison
love watching true crime channels my self but when it come to kids babies it really is hard to watch.
so she is by any means obviously detached from reality, maybe its her reality but detached from the reality of the public, I don't even wanna start to ask if her state allows abortions because that is apparently a hot topic in the US. Holy shit what a weird story, and a freaking sad one..
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Not trying to be mean but I hate when people can’t have kids cause that has nothing to do with what that monster did
This is so bad. There are many things to do if a girl has a baby but doesn't want to keep the baby. They can take the baby to a hospital or fire station or a church and just tell them the situation that she can't keep the baby and then let the baby live and the baby would be adopted to a good family. There is no excuse for killing a baby, none! The total disregard of hers and to kill that baby is horrendous. I loved being pregnant. Had all 3 boys within a year or so apart in the 80s. I remember coming out of my church in Las Vegas in the late 70s and saw pamphlets on what an aborted baby looked like and it showed the babies being ripped apart. It was graphic. I already knew even before that that I would never ever abort a baby. I did not believe in that. I was so against it and so adamant about my feelings that I thought if I were to get pregnant and say the doctor told me there would be complications were I to continue my pregnancy like I may die were I to carry to term I still was going to trust God and not the doctors and just see it through. I could not kill a child ever. God is the giver and taker of life I believed and if I died while giving birth then so be it. I just trusted God more and my strong beliefs about the sanctity of life. I did marry and had 3 healthy beautiful babies. These type of people are disturbed in their minds. They do have options. Some people use abortion as a form of birth control. I just can't fathom those people and what they do. You don't kill babies! Adoption is a way to save the baby. There are other ways to handle these situations and saving the child.
This isn't about you and your religious views. Good grief, the narcissism.
I would’ve looked at the bag too to be honest
hey gaynor, just cuz shes in university doesnt mean shes smart by any means these days its probably quite the opposite this is disgusting behaviour but they've normalized abortion so much that a good amount of people don't see anything wrong with it very sad
But that wasn't an abortion. There is a difference.
Do you not need to pass any tests to get in? You can’t just go to university here! You have to get certain qualifications. I meant she is not of low intelligence. She knows right from wrong. Her only excuse is lack of empathy and moral character.
@@Xfactor444-x4n yeah I know but if it was the 1st month or right at the moment of birth it doesn't matter it's all the same to her, pretty grotesque if u ask me
@@Xfactor444-x4n sure it was, just a very late term one
This was not a abortion. My wife had a abortion to save her life and it was done safe and legally. Keep your pro-life nonsense to your self until your willing to accept that the mom is a life to and that most babies that go through our horrid foster system dont have a that fairytale life you think they will.
Far cry from getting a Philly cheesesteak!
I have opened a suspicious bag on the side of the road before and found a horror inside. I would definitely open a suspicious bag, especially one left where I lived. If it was someone’s garbage I would try to find identifying clues to report them for fly tipping. But imagine this bag just being collected at garbage day and gone, the crime never discovered and this girl would possibly never be charged. Knowing the possibility, it would weigh on my conscience to not know.
Exactly. Bags don't just appear like that. Especially if it's your sorority sister. You know the trash that's going out. All of a sudden a new bag appears in a totally new place than where you usually put it. Yeah I'm investigating
Most normal people wouldn’t touch a random trash bag, I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t wash your hands often lol.
I dont think the average person is like hey theres a trash bag lets open it. There would be some kind thought processing
If you find a random black bag on the side of your house when you know nothing is normally there or supposed to be there 99% of people would check and see what it is
@@zay8631 No they wouldn’t, most people would think that a random bag probably has something disgusting in it. I’d be suspicious but I would never touch it.
@@aj897 exactly
@@michael-h8153Not sure why it matters….
It’s a good thing they looked, otherwise she might have gotten away with it
I’m not defending her at all but she was dumb to take it to trial. Unless you are a millionaire who can afford the best of the best fleet of lawyers, when you are guilty a plea deal is always better than a trial even though you would think no in a trial I have a chance to be set free it’s actually very rare unless again you can afford a team of the best lawyers in the country.
Isn't it a woman's right to decide?
This is disgusting!! We've programmed our young minds. When will people be held accountable?
I can’t watch this one
Then don't, no one cares
I think she wanted to get caught cause she felt bad. Cause how do you just so nonchalant out the garbage bag beside the house door. Seems like she didn’t care if she was caught
Rlly u rlly think she felt bad
I don't think she wanted to get caught. I think she's a psychopath because of how she has no emotion. Most psychopaths don't think they'll ever get caught, and that's why sometimes they'll do stupid things or be sloppy.
Sorry Daz can’t watch this it’s disgusting that anyone would do this. Have to leave😂
im not defending the woman , but why is she talking to police when she doesnt have to ?
innocent or not you should not talk to the police without a lawyer because that's your right
A lot of times psychopaths and extreme narcissists will talk because they think they're so much smarter than everyone else, and they'll be able to convince other people that they're innocent. A lot of times they actually believe they did nothing wrong. The way she seems to have zero emotion makes me think she may be a psychopath.
@@Sandman60077 Yeah she is already fck in the head but the guy keeps messaging her to abort the kid so that's a reciepie for disaster both people not holding any accountability
because she thinks she's smart when she's clearly not...I mean look at what she did to her own baby.
“Pray about it” No Christian woman would do this.. they would at the very least put it up for adoption. she said she considered abortion, 90 percent of christian women i know are anti-abortion proving she just isnt Christian. so i feel bad for her mother thinking her daughter still cares about what the Lord thinks… she doesnt, mama. she has proven that. She can still be saved but i doubt she gives a crap enough to try…. Somebody wanted that baby. SOMEBODY. there are MILLIONS of poor women who cannot have children who would have given that babygirl the WORLD. This stuff really pisses me off i mean how could you do that? im not a woman and im christian so like i will never understand wanting to kill my own kid and i know its hard but cmon. billions of women have given birth and cared for their chuldren like no other. this is also the mans fault too. what man doesnt want a baby? i mean you may not want one ‘right now’ but what kind of “man” tells his ex “i dont want it” wtf is wrong with people. i would LOVE to have a child , if i wasnt ready then id get myself ready…. Sorry guys lol i know you guys arent religious (im pretty sure atleast and thats fine❤️) but i absolutely hate when people say “just to pray” when THEY murdered someone. no, dont pray about it. pray about it in your jail cell bc Praying can save you from God’s wrath, but not from humans wrath and punishment. Smh 😢
I fully agree but to say 90% you know wouldn't have an abortion are Christian, so 10% still would and you still call them Christian, but not her is unfair.
@ Yeah i over exaggerated but you know what i mean brother , its not that 90 percent want kids its just i feel like most true believers wouldnt ever even think of doin such a thing ya know? im only 22 but like if i found out i had a baby on the way i would get another job and work my ass off just to be able to have that kid ya know? we are all different but yeah
@ well im also from the south so honestly 90% isnt too far off, i mean probably lile 75-80% of people i personally know would never do that , they would rather put the baby up for adoption for the ones who do want the baby
You don't have to be a Christian to know that murdering baby is awful. That has nothing to do with this.
FYI: You don't get to decide who is and isn't a Christian. Anyone, including her could make the same argument about you. That's what's known as the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
I’m a very empathetic person. I just keep imagining a young woman, abandoned by the father, scared of loosing her parents and getting kicked out of school, so scared she didn’t make a sound throughout fing childbirth. After childbirth, women go into shock. She seemed stressed and unstable. Everyone should be held accountable. The father of the child that pushed her into killing the child, her parents, and her. The defense is right. Postpartum depression is real and sad. Whole damn story is sad. She needed help waaaayyyyy before the birth. Poor girl to have to turn to murder
Why is this so shocking?? She's exercising her right as a woman? It was just a clump of cells anyways?
Her body her choice literally means that in all scenarios. No ifs ands or buts.
The asphyxiation happened after she gave birth. No longer inside her body.
im more pissed with the guys messages who doesn't wanna take accountability with making the child
Than the woman who actually killed the baby?
More pissed than someone who did that to her own child? Are you okay?
@@Kojak024 Both but the guy keeps wanting the kid to perish and then blames the girl for not getting the baby aborted as soon as possible both should be accountable for being a dumbass for not putting a condom in the first place or just don't do the deed the woman and the guy should both go the jail because he coerced her to abort the baby
@@Kojak024 She is exactly like the woman in the video.
@@aj897 did you not read the text messages of the guy in the vid? he keeps coercing her to abort the baby both of them should be in jail of course I'm more pissed with the guy because he wont get any punishment
She's at university and should know better but she is also young and the frontal lobe isn't fully developed until the age of 25 which is respons8ible for decision making. Despite that if she was raised to know wrong from right she should have made the correct decision.
this kind of thing is going to start happening more in the US
This happens every day in most countries, tough fact.
Kids are going to have to start being responsible and learn that there are consequences for their actions. Girls are gonna have to learn they can't just lift their skirt for every guy they meet at a bar because it's fun. I don't know if you've seen those videos where girls (most under the age of 25) throw parties after bedding their 50th or 100th guy. It's disgusting behavior that needs to end.