How Does Neurofeedback Therapy Work
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The component parts of neurofeedback and the mechanisms are explained. Operant and classical conditioning are described in brain training. Power, which is voltage output of brain regions is explained, as different from phase and coherence, which describe how separate brain regions work with or independent of each other. We describe how light and sound are used as feedback to teach the subject how to learn quickly to have better brain waves, and keep the changes long term. Some easy brain pathways are presented too.
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There are lots of providers who have more skill and experience than I do, and many are closer to you. Here are some more resources and other options for you to find: You can locate -
1. Neurofeedback practitioners from www.BCIA.org
2. Chiropractic neurologists from www.ACNB.org
3. QEEG analysts from qeegcertificationboard.org/
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My son did two summers of NF, 20 sessions each summer when he was 6 and 7 years old. No results after first summers 20 sessions, which I was told not to expect any results till after 17 sessions. After second summer of next 20 sessions, wow, his teacher thought we had put him on medication! It’s the best investment I’ll have ever made in my lifetime, it changed life for our entire family for the better. We had to put it all on a credit card, couldn’t afford it, but also realized we would pay for his improvement now, or pay lawyers later in his life for impulsive choices if we did nothing. It’s not a quick fix, in our experience our son needed 40 sessions. But worth every penny.
Thank you for explainingj neurofeedback. It has been a tremendous help for me. Bessel van der Kolk suggested neurofeedback, and I have been following him for over five years. I am 67 years old, and have a long history of both childhood trauma and adult trauma. In the five months I have had neurofeedback, I has changed my life. I now have less anxiety and depression, and maybe getting off of antidepressents that I have been on for thirty years. Folks, this neurofeed back really works.
Thank you for telling your story!
How much it'll cost?
some neurofeedback is really cheap, some is even DIY such as tDCS and others. It can get more costly with QEEG guided neurofeedback which can be many hundreds of dollars to get an assessment and over $100 per session. THe number of sessions can vary from few to over 100 depending on the problems.
Hello, how did you get the result? The result is still there
Same here I am in the process maybe 5 sessions in (47 yrs old with yrs sustained PTSD with no success with the ‘approved’ modalities of treatments
It’s encouraging and tickles my heart that you are experiencing relief cus I understand the pain..
Most experts have the knowledge, but not all experts know this well how to transfer the knowledge. A heartfelt thank you
My production team makes me a more effective communicator with all the great visuals and quality audio balancing. Thank you!
I do not have enough words to thank you for such a precise and clear Presentation! A Great Service to Many!
Thank you deeply. I'm never short for words-its a curse. We live for this access to people who want freedom of access to science based opinions that dare to postulate or make educated guesses. Life is messy and the government guidelines are usually full of conflicts of interest. I'm so glad we could help you.
Really good explanation thank you. Cleared up some points of confusion for me.
So good to hear your explanations.
Did EEG biofeedback in late 70's you have come a long way.
It is a good time to do NF and QEEG because of computing power and miniaturization for sure. We also have so much more research these days. Thanks!
10/10 explanation
Thank you. I learned a lot.
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching our channel.
Thank you so much! Short, thorough, and easy to listen to. Definitely the best video I’ve found about this so far! Didn’t want to watch an hour long interview and didn’t want just the super basic “what it does” and this was perfect to watch before my first neurofeedback appointment! So thanks again!🙏
Glad it was helpful!
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Well explained...thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
thank you for not wearing a lab coat. this was perfect info for me. Now back to, "The Body Keeps the Score."
Good book.
Amazing video! What a godsend!!!!! O Lord let this go viral! Bless your heart for your work for humanity!! How does one get trained to do this kind of work?? Thx so much!!! You bring hope to the hopeless!
Thank you!! Go to BCIA.org for training in neurofeedback.
I’m going for my qeeG brain mapping neurofeedback on Monday! I bought 10 sessions, I’m excited
Tell us how it goes!
So how'd it go?
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I'm glad you liked it.
love it
Great explanation and i feel this therapy can help a lot of people. I hope it becomes more established. I’m curious what would happen if the brain of a 50 year old would be trained measured against the scores of a 15 year old…
I would like to see that study too. My dream is to fund the many studies in alternative medicine that are scientifically promising. Maybe some billionaire could stop going to space and fund real healing instead of PHRMA.
Thank you for this info ! Can you recommend any particularly good scientific research studies published in peer reviewed journals ?? Thanks again
Great question-for all of you looking for peer reviewed literature please go to pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ which is pubmed-the government funded website for peer reviewed-indexed studies, it is free, and type your keywords into the window on the site-such as neurofeedback, coherence, amplitude, s-loreta, alpha-theta training, SMR training, multivariate coherence or others and you will get thousands of excellent articles. ADHD is probably the strongest condition you find evidence for, but many others can be found too. Look for free articles that you do not have to pay for. This will give you hours or days of fun if you have the time. Maybe later we can take the time and provide resource lists for you, but there is abundant literature on this. Enjoy,
Dr. Pierce
fantastic explanation
Glad you liked it
@@TheHumanCondition : very much.
the part about no electrical current directed to the brain influenced my decision to move forward today to keep my appointment.
my neurofeedback today was with audio.
i’m really hoping it helps stop my bruxism.
what are your thoughts on that ?
I always ask people who brux if they have enough magnesium. Deficits in magnesium can lead to sore feet, charlie horse muscle cramps, constipation, low bone density, and amny other problems. Neurofeedback can also help. Checking the proper occlusion of teeth and the TMJ muscles and joints are important, and misalignments of the neck can contribute. I am a chiropractor and sometimes I get on deep explanations and people complain that I did not mention chiropractic-so realize that I would apply chiropractic to support every illness unless there is a direct contraindication to chiropractic. good luck tell us what happens with you!
Sounds like you love Richard Bach's Illusions book too. Life changing book, as is your work.
Yep, and Bernie Siegel, and Robert Mendelsohn and so many others. We will have our website open next month with lots of free resources.
This is so helpful. Thank you! I feel a basic understanding of how NF works. I have a question: My understanding after your video is NF rewards the brain when it produces brain waves that are close to "normal" and "punishes" it when it produces a "wrong" wave, which trains the brain to produce more of those "normal" waves. That makes sense. But, I don't fully understand how NF defines the idea of "normal" or "ideal" waves that NF practitioners are training people towards, and where that data comes from. I'm curious about that. You mention Z-scores that come from thousands of "normal" people - I don't understand what this means. Are they self-reported to be "normal" or is there some kind of scientific proof that these people have brain waves that are known to be associated with qualities people are wanting to achieve, like, curiosity, self-compassion, creativity, openness, courage, the an absence of anxiety and depression, etc? Or, is the research generalizing and saying "these normal people say they live happy and healthy lives, their brain waves seem to be similar in these ways whereas people who are struggling seem to have brain waves that look like different. We're going to train the struggling group's brain waves to be more like the happy/healthy group's brain waves." I'd so appreciate your thoughts - thank you!
Great question. It soften about the location in the brain in question. If the symptom fits with the suspect brain wave and area, then its much easier to make treatment decisions. Sometimes we use raw reading of the brainwave data without the reference "norms" I mentioned, and plan neurofeedback based on amplitude spectra, and that is based on outliers that are considered undesirable by lots of literature but not on a database necessarily. Other times we reference a database (there are several) that measures hundreds of healthy people without complaints to see what is typical for an age and gender and train to that. You can read about database comparison papers on PubMed. Still other times we buck the normals and develop a hunch that a particular wave is needed more or should be suppressed in a certain place, and we discuss the informed consent of this with the client and try based on a risk/benefit analysis in difficult cases. In any case, NF mistakes (therapeutic trials) are safer than any drug by far, but mistakes can still be revealed, and the protocol changed. There keep emerging new patterns of disease that are sometimes consistent and sometimes not, and there are age changes that hold up to scrutiny, and there are about a dozen endophenotypes that are normal-ish patterns that people can fall into. We even see good evidence that QEEG can predict the effectiveness or failure of some drugs rather well in certain brainwave patterns, and steer doctors away from some drugs or families of drugs and toward others. I prefer less drugs when possible but I'm a crazy chiropractor anyway so don't trust me-make me provide explanations although I cant give evidence here-PubMed has amazing papers if you know the right keywords.
@@TheHumanCondition Could you provided some most promising/interesting papers from PubMed?
"BrainAvatar" will be a game changer.
Hello, great video. My son was recently diagnosed with Autism and I am looking into MeRt or Neurofeedback for him. Can you explain the difference and which one you think might be better for a child with Autism and expressive receptive speech and language delay. I hope you respond. Thank you
Both are promising-check Medline for many citations on this. There are many subtypes of neurofeedback too that are promising. Before doing any of these, I cant say strongly enough to consider lab testing and other metabolic analysis in autism support. The brain chemistry substrate is so important -to support good electrical activity you must have a foundation of good chemistry first. Check out William Shaw, Amy Yasko, and William Walsh for more on this-and tell us what you discover.
What commercial devices are most suited for neurofeedback at home?
I don’t have any medical condition. I need it to be able to focus better on tasks - reading books, planning business, purposefull practice in sports, etc
I have not done a comprehensive review, but I feel safest for people doing DIY with the products by Dave at mindalive.com/pages/about-us
LEt me know how it goes. He has several devices to fit lots of needs and great instruction.
What do you recommend for fibromyalgia ( post spinal injury ) this, or biofeedback? I have a neck nerve like pain which when on, ( which is almost always ) increases severe body pain.
FM always starts with food. What you eat plays a huge role. Lectins, carbs and seed oils and heavy metals can drive it. The same factors drive different illnesses in people due to biochemical individuality.
Thank you for this. Could this go the other way around aswell?
For exemple, you experience some negative emotion because of an event, let's say when you fall asleep one night, you jolt awake. This scares you. So the brain remembers that "sleeping" is scary and therefore jolts you awake more often because of the negative emotion you experienced initially ?
Sure, you just described very well a version of operant conditioning.
Do you have any tips to to recognize if certain clinic have device that is good enough? I want to give it a try, but on the other hand I am quiet skeptic and also I am aware that results also depends on which specialist you went to
I do that for a living. I think reading the literature and textbooks helps, and I think that a science background really helps. You must understand the mechanism of the device and if you cannot get the specifications or they are guarded-RUN
We live in an electric universe, so this makes a lot of sense to me.
So thank you for your clearly explaining. I have a myth that the training concept which the training data should referred some normal person databases to adjusting the brain of the healed. Do it have some gap for different countries with the databases reference? Be honest, I just exploring this treatment for my kid who found out ADHD and low angry management...but for my city is less related information.. Fr. Hong Kong's parent.
Interestingly my Zoom study group was just talking about this issue. Its a bunch of counselors and neurologists who meet online. Currently we have good databases produced in Netherlands, US, Russia, Switzerland and Norway, and South Korea that we can choose from. Each has differences that are not just the genetics of the subjects but subtle differences in how the data was collected or processed and hos the people were selected. Some databases include well people and also people with known diagnoses were measured. HBI is one of my favorites.
For sure it is wise to not always train everyone to the mean of a database. However, sometimes it is beneficial to use a database to train away the far edges-the extreme values at the top or bottom of a range of amplitudes or coherences. I hope this helps. I would not skip QEEG or neurofeedback on the basis of regional differences because all human brains tend to share enough features that the databases can cross cultures for most things. Do we need more research? Yes. One thing we really see across all cultures and genotypes is the phenomenon of the endophenotype. This is about 11 patterns of brainwaves that are subtypes of normal, but can also exhibit dysfunction. These are very useful across all diagnostic categories.
Hi Dr Pierces, I found a Neurofeedback centre in HK that can provide Qeeg training. After being assigned, found my kid's (13 years old ) major emotional brain zones were overactive ( e.g. zone 33 / 34/ 25...) then we joined 12 sessions of Qeeg training in the summer holidays and got an extremely resulting. He felt more calm down than before. Unfortunately, in the recent weeks of school days, he was falling back again...what's happening in his case? Isn't enough the session of Qeeg's training? I concerning he has another mental problem, such as an adjustment disorder. Please comments.
Consider dietary and toxic reasons, and then neurofeedback may hold longer in my experience.
Can you recommend this treatment for bipolar disorder 2 my daughter was diagnosed 2 years ago and has been on different medications that helps but make her feel terrible 😞 she’s now on lithium but we are very concerned for the side effects. I heard about this treatment before and want to her to try it.
I cannot recommend a treatment or diagnosis on this forum due to legal rules, but we tend to address bipolar types with diet, lab tests of metabolism, QEEG based neurofeedback, and counseling. medication can be used but we are able to wean off in most cases over time with help of the prescriber.
Informative video. Can i refer you to a new chiropractic directory to post your video for free?
no thanks
Hi doc I'm a covid long haul have symptoms. Could this treatment help me ?
My group of colleagues as a group think that neurofeedback can help long covid brains recover, along with some good dietary and lifestyle changes especially working on insulin resistance and lipid balance.
My cat meows loudly when she hear the sound of the electrical can openers ....when I'm opening her can of cat chow. 😁
Cat brainwaves can be trained too! we even see entrainment of animals one brain with another in this field! cool.
Does the dark screen negative reinforcement work on someone with poor vision (put stroke)?
It depends on how poor the vision is. We would run a session and look at the stats on reward ratio at the end.
Is biofeedback covered by most or any insurance companies in the US? What is the average cost out of pocket if not covered in the US?
Great question. Certain diagnoses are covered by certain insurance companies when delivered by a certain level of MD or psychologist, and in some cases social workers. The problem is that the policies are so prescriptive that often the clinician cannot have the freedom to use different protocols to adjust to the individuality of each patient.
The cost can be under $100 per session with some package pricing where patients buy several sessions in a package, on up to $200 per session and beyond when therapies are advanced or combined with other methods. In the past, NF was planned around 60 or more sessions, much like hyperbaric oxygen treatments apply many sessions to make lasting changes. Some clinicians today have started to apply NF in 8-10 session blocks and reevaluate, especially with the advent of QEEG brain mapping and s-LORETA therapies. Now, just because more technology is available does not necessarily mean that it is needed. Good analysis of quality data collections of brainwaves can result in super simple treatment plans that can be done with the simplest equipment. That wise type of practice requires experience and training in the clinician. Last, remember that NF is brain training, and it usually is more efficient (more for your money) if nutrition and detox are addressed, and other neuro rehab or emotional issues are assessed and addressed too. Tell us what happens!
I wanted to add that the European Union has several countries that reimburse for some types of neurofeedback.
I have a question… I did my first session today, but I didn’t have a cap on my head for this. I had 2 electrodes clipped onto each ear and 2 on my scalp. Is that sufficient to reap results? The specific neurofeedback system that this company uses is Neuroptimal powered by Zengar
Can it help when the frontal lobe, right site, got damaged due to a brain bleed 2 years back?
It could help the function of the cells recover, and it may help drive stem cell therapy or exosome uptake to the area.
Can it help with sensory issue in an ASD level 2 kid?
NF is many subtypes, and yes I have seen these conditions respond to various types of NF, diet, supplement and brain rehab therapy regimens, as well as detox for: heavy metals, glyphosate, and other synthetic toxic chemical burdens and fluoride. Spectrum disorders are rarely one cause-it appears they are a mix of inherited vulnerabilities and environmental toxins and deficits that all pile on. Removing them layer by layer results in stepwise improvement. We need more studies on this and more funding for research. Some of my mentors brought back lost speech regularly in these kids using biochemistry and lab based nutrition. Aluminum is in some Va!@#xxes and mercury too, and this cannot be ignored.
Can NF treat insomnia? Please let me know, thanks.
very often yes. Nothing is guaranteed or 100% but I use it a lot. I also look at other simple factors to help a lot of people cheaply.
Where or who do I go to ,to ask for this test
check the comments below for resources BCIA.org is one to find a neurofeedback therapist
is it possible to replace neuroofeedback with a similar task that priduce the same wanted changes in brain?
Sure, it can be hard work but one could replace it with other ways once you learn to make the desired effect. Sounds, music, smells, artwork, meditative states can all be used to trigger desired brain states if you can learn to associate them.
@@TheHumanCondition Thanks
Does this work for people with anhedonia (not being unable to feel joy, so basically faulty dopamine wiring)? I don't think I'd really care if a screen is darkened when watching my once favorite shows because I'm not engaged in them. But maybe even the slightest bit of dopamine release makes this mechanism work already? I'm curious how it will go tomorrow during my first neurofeedback session
Fourty sessions of LORETA neurofeedback alleviated my ssri induced anhedonia.
NF can help but is not officially validated. The problem is that the reward-sense we feel is a dopamine response, and if that pathway is poor, it may not wake up through NF alone. It may, however, respond to NF just fine. It could be useful to examine the dopamine and other neurotransmitter pathways with your holistic providers who know biochemistry in order to identify any nutrient deficits, ratios that are off, toxins that can interfere such as heavy metals, and even SNPs that can alter the metabolism or clearance of these molecules in the brain and organs of elimination. You are correct that darkened screen dimmer may not motivate you, so you may need to try several methods of reward or reinforcement. Look at dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine pathways and consider cortisol and testosterone/estrogen too. Good hunting!
Any improvements so far? I’m 14/25 sessions into neurofeedback for anhedonia myself. I’m also adding Jackie Kelms anhedonia program to my regimen.
@@dillionare Only ended up doing 6 sessions. I didn't feel like it was doing anything for me. I also didn't feel like what she said she was training (primarily reducing beta activity in the back of my brain) can reduce anhedonia. It was also pretty expensive. And my anhedonia was probably primarily induced by the antipsychotic Paliperidone (Invega). Also I couldn't do it twice per week because I kept reversing day and night through oversleeping which she told me would seriously inhibit my progress. Might try it again in the future but currently I'm focussing on changing some other factors in my life. For example I'm trying to sleep less, work out (running), I have finally successfully changed in Paliperidone for Seroquel, and I'm trying to finish my studies so I can find a part time job
@@joost2501 I will continue with neurofeedback. I also just added Jackie Kelms anhedonia program to my treatment. I’ll try to remember to get back with you. I hope you are in the Facebook group or the Reddit group so you can read my updates there.
I just got this suggestion from someone and started looking into it... My situation is truly desperate... I find no enjoyment in absolutely anything in my life. In the past 2 weeks, I've only been sitting in my bed with no energy or motivation to do anything. even the most pointless, mundane tasks are an absolute chore for me and I don't even get the smallest hint of a reward or satisfaction from doing it. I tried therapy, which didn't work for me at all, as the therapist tried to direct me towards things I could do to kill the monotony, but what is the point to knowing what I could do, when there is 0 motivation or reward for doing it. Why would my brain want to do a task if it means 0 satisfacion, when it could instead sit it in bed all day for 0 satisfaction. The worst part about it is that I am perfectly aware of how I am wasting my time and my life, yet I am still unable to perform any basic tasks. I tried doing things for fun, going out, party, whatever... Nothing... It sometimes just puts a temporary blanket of unawareness, on a much larger, permanent issue... I always go back to the same state...
(My reply is dangerous to some, so be careful. this cannot be taken as diagnosis or treatment. ) That sounds like no fun, I hope you get better soon. Lets run down some options. Popular opinion in mental health is that lots of counseling and drugs work for this type of problem, and sometimes they do, but I have seen this fail sometimes and the solutions can be very counterintuitive. Let us assume that therapy was perfect and client was willing and did all the work. They still did not get better. The anhedonia or lack of pleasure and depression persist. We still could be left with a chemical or electrical imbalance. There is a great book on this called Nutrient Power by William Walsh, it is a short read and describes several mental health issues that may respond to nutritional therapy and why that may be so. There are SNPs or mutations that are inherited that may in combination nudge our chemistry into this pattern, and can be supported with food and supplements and sometimes drugs. QEEG guided drug prescribing is a thing now and it can help decide which drugs are not so great and which are more likely to help the individual's unique dominant brainwave tendencies. Intolerance or sensitivity to:
lectins
high sulfur foods
salicylates
night shades
insulin resistance
heavy metal toxicity
pesticide and solvent toxicity
oxalates
citric acid
A1 dairy proteins
chronic pancreatitis
saturated fat deficiency
omega 3 deficit
trace mineral deficit
chronic anemia
adrenal insufficiency
loss of sex hormones
leaky gut syndrome
SIBO
all of these affect mental health in some people more than others, and I have worked with mental health providers for 26 years to do exactly that-identify the root causes and see if healing can occur. Investigating most of these is free or very cheap, although a good provider helps speed up the process sometimes. They might also help us find our blind spots faster than by trial and error. There are so many possible reasons but they can be filtered through fairly quickly-don't be intimidated by this partial list-it should provide hope.
Further, some psychiatrists now use TMS transcranial magnetic stimulation for people with intractable depression. There are other options such as neurofeedback, transcranial direct current, functional neurology, eye movement and vestibular exercises, sensory integration therapy, and many others. Many people have emerged from this by thinking outside the orthodox medical box. Please do not give up, and tell us how it goes for you!
At least you can type perfectly English, when I was depressed, I cannot concentrate on anything, hope you get better soon
How can i train on operating the device?
Laypeople can become technicians in neurofeedback through the BCIA.org website and certification-enjoy!
What if the individual is dopamine resistant and does not have the benefit of the reward?Can this alter the result of the therapy?
Yes, Dopamine resistant to their own internal dopamine would presume they have a metabolic methylation problem of some kind, and these can be assessed and managed-see Nutrient Power by William Walsh. You will se me beat this drum of check metabolism before doing too much QEEG and NF.
please tell us , is neurofeedback helps with dissociation(derealization) after trauma ?
I and colleagues have used NF of several types to help DID dissociative identity disorder with counseling and diet support of brain chemistry. this needs more research.
Can be neurofeedback good for improving the capacity of memory and concentration?
Thank you.
I have seen much success in this yes, a search of the literature on neurofeedback on pubmed.gov is really helpful if you want the science literature.
How easy is it to reverse bad effects of neurofeedback? Also, can a badly-trained brain get worse over time even after the sessions have ended?
Funny you should ask-most of my career has been consulting neurology for problem cases and that includes failed treatment plans. I have found that most ill effects of neurofeedback can be reversed and healed by either switching methods or going outside neurofeedback to another modality, such as diet or supplements or even medication modifications. A sleep study can also be gold and saves lives. Some people need follow up care for a longer time but most can be corrected in a finite time span in my experience. Im worried about the long term effects of spike proteins on certain populations-we shall see with QEEG how that goes-my colleagues are reporting all kinds of preventable brain consequences to covid.
after over half a year of neurofeedback, I feel no changes. I sit and watch a nature video and talk to the practitioner. she then asks me if I felt anything different after the last session in regards to anxiety. nothing feels different. how can she make the machine work if she is not looking at my brain waves and comparing them to the previous week to see if things are changing? I am feeling like what is going on is fake.
I'm sorry to hear that. Do you know what region and wave is the target of your training? I would ask these questions. Recordings of sessions can be compared to each other, and QEEG maps of brainwaves can be made to see changes. Other docs can observe the settings and live sessions or recordings to see if there is a setting error or a hardware or software glitch. I have had amplifiers break inside and have to be sent in for repairs. There are ways to test them on the fly to see if they are glitching. It is a technical job and requires checks and rechecks of the system. if the NF is working during the session but doesn't stick, it may be a biochemical problem or emotional problem. Challenge your doctors-I always tell people to trust my intentions but interrogate my assumptions and methods. Doctors should use testable hypotheses in treatment and you should ask them what are the testable hypotheses they are applying to you and how will we know it is working or not? Thank you so much for asking. Sometimes NF does not work, and we need to try something else in a timely fashion. It can work fast or slow, usually if it works slowly, there are indications that it is making slow measurable progress.
Can this method address or cure IBS and related anxiety and palpitation??
Sometimes the gut issue is driven by the brain, and yes. Other times its more diet related.
Could this help me with adhd and tinnitus?
The most research on neurofeedback is on the subject of ADHD in fact. It is perhaps the most scientifically defensible use of NF available. Tinnitus has been addressed with a newer form of neurofeedback called infraslow fluctuation, by Mark Smith and Dirk DeRider and it is very promising. It uses very low frequencies to train the nerve cells and the glial support cells or nurse cells that compose the blood brain barrier to heal and repair, and to coordinate cross frequency waves that are higher frequencies. You can find this searching easily for keywords in Pubmed.com for free mostly.
I go to 11 sessions for this. It is expensive. I get no explanation and no feedback. I have no scores or info about my brainwaves pre and post treatment. I sit and get it done -no printouts of data.
Most practitioners I know can give reports, and even video recording of progress. Look for IQCB.org or BCIA.org practitioners and tell us what happens.
What do you think of the "new" neurofeedback headsets like the Muse and Mendi?
I like more clinician driven ones generally, although I do like DIY stuff a lot. I think an experienced clinician can save you years of wasted time.
Does this work with patients who have long term shame / guilt sensations?
Also if there are many life experiences, objects that trigger the negative event?
- this who were at fault
- those who weren't
I have seen it work many times in my patients and those I give second opinions on yes. A good therapist can combine neurofeedback with counseling and even recall of traumatic events and other mental imagery during a session. I have assisted in these as I am not a therapist.
@The Human Condition TY...
It's more a locked limbic cycle of years of negative rumination.
Limbic problems respond well to S-LORETA ZBRAUL NF and to infraslow fluctuation NF let us know how it goes!!
@@TheHumanCondition Only place near me in NY with that 😔
You could try Mark Smith neurofeedback specialists in Manhattan, he does infraslow fluctuation neurofeedback and sometimes combines it with s-LORETA.
Does this help with anxiety and sleep?
Usually, yes. Of course there are exceptions. differential diagnosis can be difficult in some cases.
Neurofeedback begins as unconscious learning and afterwards become consciously? Could you please give me an answer to understand?
It starts as what is called implicit learning, which means you don't know how you do it, but you do it by relaxing, and you get better at it over time. It never fully becomes conscious or explicit for most people. Its like balancing on a tightrope-the more you relax the easier it is, and its hard to describe how you do it.
Is it ok to watch a movie while in session? Or depends what kind of movie
We use movies all the time picked by the patient to run neurofeedback, as long as its not upsetting.
Does neurofeedback work for derealization/depersonalization?
While I find lots of help with NF for patients with derealization, depersonalization, and even sometimes dissociative identity disorder-a different entity-I cannot claim it is an official recognized treatment for this diagnostic code. The reason for that is that our American system is rigged such that only drug companies can afford the $800 million in cost for the type of studies required by the FDA for approval of treatment of disease. NF should be part of a comprehensive diagnostic and treatment plan that includes pharmacy if necessary, counseling, biochemistry balancing and chiropractic care and often acupuncture. We need to look at the cingulate portion of the brain's limbic system and the temporal lobes most often in my experience for this. Please keep us updated on Your Health Journey so we can all learn together.
How effective/successful is, neurofeedback for auditory processing disorder? I had a head injury, that caused my auditory processing difficulties...
If a concussion is the root cause, then QEEG and NF may help. Try BCIA.org for providers.
@@TheHumanCondition I don't know if I should have the NF...or neuro psychological evaluation, I assume these are 2 completely different approaches and avenues to explore? Does it matter which one comes first should I do both?
Many clinicians integrate both, it depends on what is available locally, I would consider both if I was able.
What if I do nothing during my LENS neurofeedback? All I do is sit there, I don’t engage in any games, exercises, etc. only two treatments in.
LENS is a passive therapy-it tries to nudge the brain to move out of a rut like pattern using a tiny signal. I have seen it work well, and also fail as with all things.
How do we find someone to help us?
Read below in the comments for resources and clinicians.
Can NF help with learning disabilty?
Sometimes yes, each case is different. Nothing always works. It depends a lot on which learning disability and which other concomitant conditions are present.
@@TheHumanCondition Thank you for the answer. My daughter has Adhd and dycalculia. She struggles a lot in school.
@@vanesa3033I find The Arrowsmith program is very effective for my son’s learning disability. It is the main reason he was able to get into a. STEM program in university.
What if you’re looking at the brain all wrong and there is no idle, but a handing off of tasks. A switching of operating areas.
I could certainly be all wrong. a switching of usage is possible but we should see that on PET and SPECT brain scans and we have not. Good reasoning, keep up the contrarian ideas!
Can this treatment help with vagus nerve dysfunction?
Sometimes. if the dysfunction comes from above the vagal nuclei. The vagal nuclei in the medulla, like all cranial nerve centers, are under the control of higher brain areas. These nerves and their nuclei are rarely the primary cause of a named nerve dysfunction unless there is direct trauma or tumor affecting a nerve. Much more often there is an underappreciated problem coming from above on descending fibers that can surprisingly drive these problems. In those cases an assessment of the higher brain areas can reveal a real source of problems. On another note, gut problems can come from diet and gut dysfunction and even oral dysbiosis-bad microscopic critters living in gum pockets, and from excess carbon dioxide produced from gut maldigestion and a high carb ratio. Remember, 90% of all diagnosis comes from a skilled medical history. Great question.
My son is 12 he has sensory desorder and inability to regulate and problem sleeping. He was offered biofeedback by the OT we are waiting for the appointment and is cover by medicaid. Can he also do neurofeedback to learn new ways to feel rewarded instead of being all over the place
I like NF as an elegant and natural source of dopamine based micro-targeted reward because it does not bomb the nucleus accumbens with dopamine-it trickles it in from the ventral tegmentum allowing for down-regulation of the overexposed dopamine receptors that have become numb to dopamine floods previously. I hope this makes sense. I also like to see functional medicine lab based testing of brain chemistry and inflammation and this is not paid for by Medicaid. It would not take much for us to prove benefit of NF and lab testing based therapies to some random county Medicaid office within any state, but it has not been done yet. Medicaid is allowed to give special codes to clinics that have a novel method.
is this training permanent? I'm contemplating neurofeedback to overcome my overeating addiction.
Most neurofeedback tends to be pretty "sticky" in that positive change seems to last -unless there is a new head injury, PTSD emotional trauma, or some underlying neurochemistry metabolic imbalance is not fully addressed such as heavy metal toxicity or insulin resistance or hormone imbalance, for 3 examples.
Can it read your thoughts?
Only if you are on mushrooms. JK :)
@@TheHumanCondition ohh haha 😂
So it can’t
Elon is trying but so far it cannot read against your will.
Now that we know “what” this is, how does this benefit us with ADHD? What is the practical use of this in our lives?
Neurofeedback and QEEG are perhaps the strongest in the literature in the field of ADHD of all conditions. Neurofeedback represents the lowest risk/benefit ratio over all drugs on offer for many mental health conditions and performance enhancement.
@@TheHumanCondition In what way? What are the noted changes and improvements? Vague statements that there are benefits sadly doesn’t answer the question.
Search ADHD+QEEG or neurofeedback on Pubmed and tell me what you see. There are biomarkers of ADHD that can be identified by QEEG and corrected with NF, especially regarding what is called pharmaco-eeg in which prescribers choose the best drug based on the brainwaves.
@@TheHumanCondition Is this the benefit: neurofeedback therapy works to increase the brain’s capacity and predisposition for beta waves, which are associated with efficient information processing and problem solving. In contrast, when a high proportion of theta waves are present, patients complain of incomplete work, disorganization, and distractibility. Neurofeedback aims to diminish the frequency of delta and theta waves."
In that NF has the potential to improve organizational and focus skills?
these statements are partial answers, certainly there are more ways that NF might work. Some involve connectivity such as multivariate coherence methods, some involve s-LORETA training of deep networks, and more tech approaches. some even add photobiomodulation (light) therapy.
Can neurofeedback help in autism? What are the side effects of neurofeedback
Neurofeedback can have a few abreactions but mild, mostly. The difficulty with autism is getting them to tolerate the QEEG or neurofeedback because of the sensory sensitivity and the figdgety nature. I have used a soft make up brush to brush the skin of the face or arm or back or belly or feet to calm them while doing examinations or QEEG or NF.
If the kid doesn’t have seizures and had already gone through EEG and MRI earlier can we go for neurofeedback without QEEG
Many people are successful doing many types of neurofeedback without QEEG, yes. In autism it is hard to get the child to sit still for a full EEG cap, but they will tolerate 2 or 5 leads attached to their head and play is allowed. It is a challenge.
Does this therapy help ADHD?
ADHD is perhaps the flagship condition for the success of both QEEG and neurofeedback. This condition has the strongest evidence of any condition emerging for these tools. Even the FDA is evaluating this drug free method. Prescribers are even using QEEG to help guide medication decisions in ADHD. I tend to lean toward nutritional, neurofeedback and neuro rehab methods before drugs with ADHD myself. Changing dietary habits from the SAD standard American diet helps make neurofeedback more effective in my opinion.
Have you had experience treating people with Tourette's Syndrome?
Yes, children especially late teen boys are most common.
I have. There are alternative methods involving diet, detox, neurofeedback, and functional neurological exercises for the basal ganglia especially the subthalamic nucleus which appears to be the focus of Tourette's dysfunction in the basal ganglia generally. check out ACNB.org for chiropractic neurologists.
It doesn’t
NO
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Pure BS. I had 40 sessions, did nothing for me All lies
We need all perspectives. I as a clinician would hold myself accountable in the first few sessions of there was no subjective or objective change and quit. Its ugly thanks for your story.