As a married man at 28 I've been married for 5 years and I have a 4 year old son I must say I do imagine what my life would be like if I was more like yourself and did not have a spouse or child n didn't have to cook for anybody😂 I do enjoy feeding my family with my home-cooked meals has to do with being a Virgo
I'm a fan of a team that drafted the greatest sixth-rounder in NFL history (OK Broncos fans, you can argue for Terrell Davis, but he didn't play for a geologic epoch and win 7 Super Bowls.)
If you arent making the playoffs and you are closer to a top 10 pick than the top 20, its time to tank. I would say only within the last month of the season. Only way to do it is some personnel changes but that would seem too obvious. Most teams get injured into tanking where it wasnt their intention.
@@universe-ie2mkI could def see gm/owners tanking with coach firings and such. But players and coaches are very unlikely. Still think a semi-lottery like NHL newish draft rules
@@matthewcrispinwordofGod I am genuinely interested to see what happens to Kansas City in the playoffs. In baseball or pro basketball, teams whose point differential isn't nearly good enough to justify their record tend to get destroyed in the playoffs because the sample size is large enough that the better team in terms of advanced stats and not just won-lost record tends to win a 7-game series. In football, you get that 1 seed and you only have to get lucky three more times. The difference between a championship and a blowout loss at home in the quarterfinals is smaller in the NFL than in any sport. Even college basketball, because there are six rounds in the tournament, sorts the wheat from the chaff by the time the Final Four rolls around.
The NFL should have a loser bowl for teams that don't make playoffs that play in an elimination type tournament where the winner gets to pick their draft spot. Teams who placed better in the standings get home field advantage and play the weaker teams. Makes the end of the season more exciting. incentivizes teams for actually continuing to try to win games and something to actually play for. Best of all, it would keep all teams from just flat out tanking.
I thought about this too but half the players and coaches will be out the door so why should they give a shit about the game and getting hurt for the team??
Pretty pathetic to see so many teams with awful records and literally no purpose or semblance of competing. At least teams like the Panthers, Pats, and Bengals are trying. Giants, Jags, and Raiders are in diabolical situations.
As a Bengals fan, I wish they'd stop. even winning out and getting to 9-8, would need a lot of shenanigans to make the playoffs as a 7. Be better off ending up 5-12 and getting a shot at a better WR to replace Higgins when he goes gets paid in free agency. They don't even need to change much. The defense is putrid enough on their own.
@@exodiatheforbiddenone186 I like that phrase, and I've used it. I don't think that's the case here, though - I think it's simply that losing teams find ways to lose.
I know this video is mostly satire but out of all of these teams, The Panthers are not “tanking” They’re playing to win and getting better. They just spent the last three weeks taking three playoff bound teams to the wire. It’s only a matter of time before this team of young players gets the finishing part of the game figured out.
Do a lottery system like in the NBA. All the teams who don't get in the playoffs have a chance to get a #1 pick. Getting the # 1 pick is not necessary the best. They are forced to play for honor not a draft pick.
@@homerj806 I like the NHL system, pick order is weighted on position but is still lottery. Tanking for just a chance of a better pick is even less worth it
Let's take the one sport that does parity right and then "fix" it by looking for a league that's an absolute joke. Remind me, what's the last team to pull a top-five draft pick and win a Super Bowl in the next several years, or at all?
@@z2ei Well the chiefs did go from a 2-14 year to in the playoffs almost every year in 2012. Peyton manning after his rookie year was phenomal carrying his team. Part of the issue is top draft pick is actually kind of overrated and NFL teams are not great at evaluating college players (especially as the gameplay is way different). The top players in the draft are often not significant upgrades over mid-first rounders.
The shocking bit to me is if the Panthers hadn’t choked the last three games, they’d have a realistic chance of leading/winning their division. Additionally, is Atlanta unintentionally tanking?
The NFL could do a lottery style draft where the teams who didn’t make the playoffs get the chance at the first pick. But it’s the losing team with the best record that has a higher chance of getting the first pick while the team with the worst record gets the last pick of the losing teams. Too many times, crappy teams waste their first overall draft pick anyways, so stop rewarding them and stop punishing the best college players to have to go to the absolute worst team.
Dukakis? Brother, that party trotted out a dead guy who still had dementia somehow, and that was 4 years ago. Bringing his corpse out in 2024 was low down, even for them…..
Yeah I feel like even most of the Oakland Raiders teams of the mid-late 2000’s were worse than the current Las Vegas Raiders. By the way, I’m a Lions fan but I’ve always had love for the Raiders. I cannot root for that team anymore since they went to LV. They deserve to be in LA or Oakland and that’s it. It’s just ruined the legend behind the team, the logo, and the uniform for me.
It's not that teams are trying to tank, it's that over half of them have been so poor and have poor QB play, The AFC has been the most top heavy it's been in a very long time
A good piece of evidence for the case against NYG, Look at how Barklay is performing right now on a team that wants to rack up Ws. And New York gave him up to a rival.
Let me propose a rule change. 1) The bottom half of the league gets the first draft picks. The lousy teams go first 1a) The order of picks within the lousy teams gets is determined by their W/L record for the second half of the season. The lousy team with the best record in the second half of the season gets the first draft pick. The lousy teams get first crack at the draftees before the good teams, but they have an incentive to keep winning.
I know this isn't a serious accusation, but it did make me think about what's going on, because there have been a lot of almost comical losses by bad teams this year, not to mention teams that had high hopes and completely bombed out. And...quite honestly, I think there's a lot to the saying "winning teams find ways to win, losing teams find ways to lose." Not that I don't think tanking ever happens, to be sure - I've no doubt that NFL teams have intentionally tanked (The Colts BLATANTLY tanked for Andrew Luck, for example) and will intentionally tank in the future. But the thing is that a bad team is more than just not having good players - organization, culture, attitude, and the like all play into it as well. You can assemble a squad of superstars from other teams, but if they can't play together, they can't succeed. And if a team gets it into their head that they're losers, that leads to a tendency to crumble in high-pressure situations - like close games. Conversely, teams that feel like they're winners? They push, they scrap, and they do things that given them chances to win, and when they face those same high-pressure situations, they believe in themselves enough that they can pull it off - especially if up against a team that doesn't. The way the Chiefs have been playing, they have no business being 12-1 -but they're a team that expects to win, and when their opponents don't trust themselves to be winners, that's an automatic edge if they're even within striking distance late in the game. Garrett Wilson said after the Jets' most recent loss that it felt like they had a 'losing gene' (paraphrased). While not literally a gene, I don't think he's far off. Teams that have in in their head that they aren't a winning team will commit errors that cause them to lose games that they look like they're in position to win, because there's an unconscious sense that they shouldn't be winning. Cultivating a winning mentality is hard, because you have to be winning for it to truly stick - a team that doesn't truly believe in itself is going to struggle to find success, particularly consistent success. When you have a team like the Jets that haven't succeeded in a long time, once the adversity hits, it hits harder than it does for teams that don't have a recent history of failure, and it can snowball - and clearly did. Obviously all teams have their bad seasons, but it's when you have them persistently, with successes being outliers, that it starts to get entrenched, and it can be hell getting out of that. Sometimes for decades, like we saw with the Lions. Between 1952 and 1962, they won 3 championships, lost another, and won 3 playoff bowls (which was a game to determine 3rd place) - 7 top 3 finishes in 11 years. Between 1963-89, they had just seven winning seasons, with just 2 in the 80s. Then they had a good decade, posting .500 or better records in 7 seasons between 1991 and 2000. And then they stunk again, pretty much until 2022, where even though they had a few playoff appearances, they still couldn't string any together - they couldn't be winners consistently enough to turn the corner. Now they might actually be good again. I don't think the Lions were ever tanking during those stretches - it didn't seem to matter who they drafted, anyway. They just had a losing culture and didn't ever get to truly believing that they weren't that. It seems like they've found that spark, though, because they've got their third winning season in a row. A lot of the teams on the list here, they're in a similar boat. The Giants have had three winning seasons since 2011, none within 3 years of each other. The Jets haven't had a winning season since 2015 and a playoff game since 2010. The Browns (honorable mention so it counts) were in the playoffs last year and 4 years ago but haven't actually had any consistent goodness since the 80s. The Panthers have had one winning season since losing Super Bowl 50 in 2015. The Raiders haven't had back-to-back winning seasons since 01-02. The one team that doesn't fit the mold is the Titans, who had 6 straight winning seasons from 2016-2021, but they could very well be sliding into that position with their third straight losing season since. Looking at all of these teams, I legit don't think that they're tanking - they're just...losers, finding ways to lose because deep down, that's what they believe should happen. And until they find that spark that gets them believing again, it'll continue.
The whole draft with rewarding consistently badly ran franchises goes against anything professional sports should stand for. Winning and goed policy should be rewarded, not incompetence. Because we all know that any of these leagues with a draft system is nowhere near the ideal situation for a draft to work accordingly. This system would only work if all teams would have some sense of competence with the thing that somebody has to finish last and that isn't the case. And like the NFL is way too complicated to have a draft turn around a bad team. The Andrew Luck's of this world are an extremely rare exception. Tanking is also mostly an overused term in sports. Usually these teams that are at the bottom are the same teams you see consistently at the top of a draft board, because their ownership and FO is too inept to field a competent, competitive team or in some cases, the ownership doesn't even care in the slightest. Tanking is the result of their rosters being shit and them losing that way, not the other way around.
One thing I like about soccer is that if your team outright stinks, you don't get to play with the big boys anymore. You have to spend a year in the next lower division (and some teams have been relegated further than that because of financial mismanagement-looking at you, Raiders and Mark Davis, you'd get shipped straight from the Bundesliga to Landesliga-Thuringen in the fifth division if this was Germany.) This is also a good thing for fans of smaller-market teams. Getting relegated sucks, but at least you get to win some games for your fans against weaker competition in the following season as you find your level (my beloved Hansa Rostock stunk out the second division in 2023-24 but they're top half of the table in 3.Liga and have won five out of six.)
That Giants loss last weekend might have been my fault. I was watching it, and I was honestly hoping the Saints would choke in OT, so Loomis wouldn’t be in a position to have to try to trade the farm for a gimp like he did in 2018 for Marcus Davenport. When they lined up for the field goal, I was crossing my fingers, going “please don’t block this”. *We all know what happened, next.*
The league's profit distribution policy should be revised. Give winning teams higher shares, with the losing teams having lower shares, in the total league income.
Tanking needs to be punished, period. I think the NFL should implement a lottery system that rewards winning or staying close in "meaningless" games at the end of the season
A little late to this party, but I've recently been mulling over this problem and the inspiration for my solution came from an unlikely place - Blitz: The League. Get ready - this is a long one. First, the NFL should expand to 40+ teams, then divide them among the three tiers; I don't know exact numbers and that would depend how many teams the league settles on. For argument's sake, let's say 40. Put all 8 expansion teams and 12 bottom of the barrel current teams in the league to make up what we'll call "Division 3." Then take 12 middling teams to create "Division 2." The top 8 teams will be in "Division 1", or for you limey bastards out there, "Premier League." This new NFL will work on a system of promotion and relegation similar to the English football leagues - at the end of each season, each team will be ranked according to their records. In Division 1/Premier League, 6 of 8 teams will make it into the playoffs, structured like the pre-2020 AFC/NFC playoffs, in pursuit of ultimate glory; the bottom two teams face off in a Tank Bowl, with the loser getting relegated to Division 2. Similarly in Division 2, all but the bottom 4 teams advance to the playoffs, and face off in a round robin "Tank Tournament" with the 2 worst performing teams being relegated to Division 3. Division 3 is more cutthroat, with only 8 teams making it to the playoffs for two promotion slots, and all the rest are left out in the cold. The champion of Division 2 gets promoted to Division 1 to replace the loser of the Tank Bowl, as do the 2 top Division 3 teams with the losers of the Division 2 "Tank Tournament". But what about tanking? Can't dysfunctional organizations at the top of level just tank, get relegated and collect premium draft picks while they develop their young players at a lower level of competition before storming back to the top level of the league? First off, the draft is structured differently here. The rounds are organized to work from the top down - Division 1 goes first, then Division 2, then Division 3 to close it out. Relegated teams are punished for their failures by being placed at the end of their new division's place in the round, because they're coming from a higher level of competition and (presumably) have a roster constructed accordingly, so they don't need the help. Conversely, the promoted teams get the first picks for their respective new divisions - not only do top draft picks now go to stable organizations with upward momentum, but these promoted teams get premium draft picks to supplement their rosters ahead of the heightened competition. Playoff teams at all 3 levels are placed in the draft based on their respective exits/finishes, just like the NFL draft. Obviously there's nowhere lower for Division 3 teams to go, but there's a wrinkle: their non-playoff teams get placed in the draft by lottery. So to clarify: the team being promoted to Division 1 gets the first overall pick, the team getting promoted to Division 2 picks No. 11 overall, the team being relegated to Division 2 picks No. 24 overall, the team that finishes last in Division 3 picks No. 25, and the team getting relegated to Division 3 picks No. 40 overall, and this order holds through each successive round. Also, the salary cap is tiered. Division 1 has the highest, Division 2's is lower, and Division 3 is the lowest. So if a team is unwise with their money and stacks their roster with overpaid free agents but for whatever reason absolutely suck, like for example the 2021 Jaguars, and get relegated, they have to look over their roster and make cuts. Not only do terrible teams not get to curb the sting of relegation draft picks by stacking their roster with high ticket players, but those players are not anchored to sinking ships. In the interest of fairness, teams can avoid dead cap hits by placing these players on a system imagine working similar to waivers - instead of hitting the market outright, these players go through a claim process where teams can take turns deciding whether to pick them up at their existing contract; if the player was signed to a headscratcher that no sane team would want to take on, the player clears waivers and hits the open market where he can sign with any team but has to work a new contract from the ground up. I think this system goes a long way to address concerns about whether or not there's enough "genuine NFL talent" for a 40-team NFL, because here there are fewer teams at the top tier of competition where such excellence is demanded, while players who would probably fit better someplace like the UFL, have their niche in Division 3; I also envision the lower tiers as places where players coming off serious injuries who were released by their teams can rehab and reestablish themselves. Since this is still technically a single league with a unified player pool, dark horse players at the lower level of competition can get signed by a team at a higher level. It also incentivizes teams to focus more on building winning cultures, because teams at lower levels are going to have weaker rosters and won't be able to skate by with high-end talent, and those who get promoted will need that strong culture to compensate for the jump in competition. Finally, *bad teams are held accountable* because there are actual consequences - getting sent down to the proverbial kids' table and potentially having to strip mine your roster to clear the salary cap. Obviously, there are other considerations that would have to go into a league structured this way, but given the topic of this video is teams committing blatant tanking, I felt those aspects were the ones warranting focus. If you're reading this: damn, you're a champ. Thank you. And remember - #loljets is eternal...
New rule: If you have a bottom-5 record, you get the pick you're entitled to, but you draft no less than three slots later in each subsequent draft until you either improve by more than three places (so from worst to fifth-worst or 11th to 15th pick, for example) or make the playoffs, whichever comes first. At that point you get a reset button. You can still trade up in any given draft.
Wanna fix tanking, take the top 14 teams who made the playoffs /SB winners and still them pick last. Then, take draft spots 1-18 and do a draft lottery draw.
I had an idea on how to avoid tanking (or maybe at least make it more honest). If a team becomes statistically eliminated from playoff contention, they then must win games to then rise up in the draft. It could still make late season games like between two bad teams (aka tank bowls) an honest contest, or a playoff bubble team and a bad team so they’re incentivized to compete and maintain the integrity of the game and competition. Plus fan bases can still route for their respective sucky teams to win out through the season! :).
Perhaps next you can investigate the huge amount to coincidental official calls which have favored one particular team and allowed them to have a winning record. I think you know which team I'm talking about...
This is all due to the rookie wage scale and the importance of the QB position where mediocre quarterbacks go in the top 10 every year when many are 2nd, 3rd round picks at best.
I mean, what's there to investigate? We all know what a tank is. We all know why it happens, and how its done. We also know what makes it possible. Instead of a pointless investigation, the NFL needs to stop the Draft system in place, and switch to a Draft Lottery. Make picks a matter of random order, and the problem solves itself.
I was at that Giants game Sunday. I knew they were gonna lose, but i didn't expect them to make it close at the end. Then again, you have to be "competitive" in order to intentionally tank. It was funny watching some Saints fans popping off on poor Giants fans as if they are proud of winning against a tanking basement team.
The center for the raiders needs to be checked out for how much money he got paid to snap that ball so ahead of time. Absolutely bullshit that the chiefs keep winning with garbage.
They should do it like other soccer clubs, the three teams with the worst record should leave the NFL. Send them to the XFL and get the best teams from them.
Relegation won’t work in the nfl because of how the league structure is. It is a closed league. Bad teams out of the nfl will go bankrupt and finacially collapse
Nah. A) the draft is a crap shoot, so many busts, even at #1. B) how much do you have to pay the players to tank their career? Even on a bad team, they are putting in film for others. C) So many one score games, standings would look very different if not for a toe or a doink (KC). There are no bad teams in the NFL, just teams coming up short on any given Sunday.
It’s bad that they’re all tanking, but it’s worse knowing the absolute STATE of this year’s Draft class. Raiders could get Shadeur Sanders as a best case scenario. Embarrassing.
Let's investigate the NFL while we're at it for things like cost, finding the right channel, ref stuff.... Other things 😆 We gotta do something in the office season!
Steelers win wasn’t bullshit this time. They played 2 good games in a row against division rivals. Now they have 3 of their toughest games in a span of 10 days. Give us a damn break
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As a married man at 28 I've been married for 5 years and I have a 4 year old son I must say I do imagine what my life would be like if I was more like yourself and did not have a spouse or child n didn't have to cook for anybody😂 I do enjoy feeding my family with my home-cooked meals has to do with being a Virgo
Yo let me get the rest of that lettuce
video idea...
with all the 10-15 year mlb contracts i am curious how many of them most performed at the expectations the team paid for.
investigate the Giants for being the Giants 🗣️🔥
I get sad almost every week by the g men
LOLOL .. Great comment. Since the investigators will be at the Meadowlands already... throw in the J-E-T-S...Jets Jets
They are gonna see we just pure ass baby
Just a reminder Puca Nacua was a fifth rounder. Tanking is stupid. Be good at drafting.
Also I'm a Seattle fan and I'm so mad that the Rams have him.
I'm a fan of a team that drafted the greatest sixth-rounder in NFL history (OK Broncos fans, you can argue for Terrell Davis, but he didn't play for a geologic epoch and win 7 Super Bowls.)
@@johnchedsey1306 yom Brady and Brock purdy being very late draft picks too
Teams that intentionally lose games should lose draft picks. The Jaguars should have been investigated for the 2020 season in particular.
Hard to prove.
@@buffetline2605 Its a joke.,
It's unlikely they actually do it on purpose because tanking gets coaches fired and players get worse contracts/trades
If you arent making the playoffs and you are closer to a top 10 pick than the top 20, its time to tank. I would say only within the last month of the season. Only way to do it is some personnel changes but that would seem too obvious. Most teams get injured into tanking where it wasnt their intention.
@@universe-ie2mkI could def see gm/owners tanking with coach firings and such. But players and coaches are very unlikely. Still think a semi-lottery like NHL newish draft rules
Refs need to be investigated
Especially any ref calling a Chiefs game.
@@SimuLordYour funny 😂
@@matthewcrispinwordofGod I am genuinely interested to see what happens to Kansas City in the playoffs. In baseball or pro basketball, teams whose point differential isn't nearly good enough to justify their record tend to get destroyed in the playoffs because the sample size is large enough that the better team in terms of advanced stats and not just won-lost record tends to win a 7-game series.
In football, you get that 1 seed and you only have to get lucky three more times. The difference between a championship and a blowout loss at home in the quarterfinals is smaller in the NFL than in any sport. Even college basketball, because there are six rounds in the tournament, sorts the wheat from the chaff by the time the Final Four rolls around.
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Lot better than they investigated Drumpf, I hope.
It really is free medium soda season once again in Giants country.
😄"free medium soda season" 😆being a Jets fan I should be careful how much I laugh at the Giants, but I'll take any small mercy at the moment
To be fair, Rodgers does seem like the kind of guy to take in game advice from Gary Busey
To be fair, I would hesitate to tackle Gary Bussey or Nick Nolte. They look like biters.😅
Rodgers would definitely be huffing Gary's oxygen on the sidelines!😆😅😂
The NFL should have a loser bowl for teams that don't make playoffs that play in an elimination type tournament where the winner gets to pick their draft spot. Teams who placed better in the standings get home field advantage and play the weaker teams. Makes the end of the season more exciting. incentivizes teams for actually continuing to try to win games and something to actually play for. Best of all, it would keep all teams from just flat out tanking.
I thought about this too but half the players and coaches will be out the door so why should they give a shit about the game and getting hurt for the team??
or they'll likely institute a draft lottery in the next few years like all the other pro leagues...
Nah. Just switch to a Draft Lottery. Make it random and the problem is solved.
@@HaydenUthat makes the most sense. I've been saying they need to fo a Draft Lottery for years. It'll do a lot to balance the league.
We should call it the "Tank-offs" Winner gets the #1 Loser gets a worse future.
The Jacksonville Jaguars are so obviously tanking, they're running out of the tunnel to Roundball Rock.
The Titans took the opportunity to tank harder than them last Sunday, though
Yes, Trevor Lawrence is faking his injury
Pretty pathetic to see so many teams with awful records and literally no purpose or semblance of competing. At least teams like the Panthers, Pats, and Bengals are trying. Giants, Jags, and Raiders are in diabolical situations.
As a Bengals fan, I wish they'd stop. even winning out and getting to 9-8, would need a lot of shenanigans to make the playoffs as a 7. Be better off ending up 5-12 and getting a shot at a better WR to replace Higgins when he goes gets paid in free agency. They don't even need to change much. The defense is putrid enough on their own.
Some of it is Ownership, an Front office, An Refs more than it's the coaches fault.
@@moopert86 imagine have the best qb and having such an abysmal record, it’s so crazy to me
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Thanks bro kept yapping
It's not the teams that need to be investigated.It's the n f l and roger goodell The games are fixed
Just to let you all know this was likely filmed before Kadarious Toney got cut by the dark stains
10:10 are we all just gonna forget about that anonymous Giants player that paid an only fans girl to flash the Saints players???
Maybe they're just incompetent? Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
There's also another law that goes something like "Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice"
@@exodiatheforbiddenone186 I like that phrase, and I've used it. I don't think that's the case here, though - I think it's simply that losing teams find ways to lose.
Miami got caught for purposefully tanking a few years back
I know this video is mostly satire but out of all of these teams, The Panthers are not “tanking” They’re playing to win and getting better. They just spent the last three weeks taking three playoff bound teams to the wire. It’s only a matter of time before this team of young players gets the finishing part of the game figured out.
Do a lottery system like in the NBA. All the teams who don't get in the playoffs have a chance to get a #1 pick. Getting the # 1 pick is not necessary the best. They are forced to play for honor not a draft pick.
NBA lottery is rigged though.
@@5ean5ean22 No, it isn't.
@@homerj806 I like the NHL system, pick order is weighted on position but is still lottery. Tanking for just a chance of a better pick is even less worth it
Let's take the one sport that does parity right and then "fix" it by looking for a league that's an absolute joke. Remind me, what's the last team to pull a top-five draft pick and win a Super Bowl in the next several years, or at all?
@@z2ei Well the chiefs did go from a 2-14 year to in the playoffs almost every year in 2012. Peyton manning after his rookie year was phenomal carrying his team.
Part of the issue is top draft pick is actually kind of overrated and NFL teams are not great at evaluating college players (especially as the gameplay is way different). The top players in the draft are often not significant upgrades over mid-first rounders.
The sarcasm is strong with this one.
the epstein jail cell joke legit made me laugh out loud
How is there no mention of the suspicious ways the Bears have managed to lose games?
there is no freaking way the bears are that sophisticated
True
The shocking bit to me is if the Panthers hadn’t choked the last three games, they’d have a realistic chance of leading/winning their division. Additionally, is Atlanta unintentionally tanking?
Shoutout to the Henry Rowengartner Rookie Of The Year reference when talking about Aaron Rodgers losing his fastball. That is top level content.
i am so glad people are getting it LOL always take a risk
@ can’t go wrong with a 90s reference from the classics like ROY, or The Sandlot etc! Great video!
Some teams aren't there to win, they're there to get draft picks and make backroom deals for cash.
Chicago and Jacksonville are who I thought of immediately.
Exhibit A: Dallas
I still say that if we had an NFL draft lottery it would have ratings through the stratosphere
I'd watch that.
10:00 finally at MetLife Stadium, a Jet does something productive this year.
The NFL could do a lottery style draft where the teams who didn’t make the playoffs get the chance at the first pick. But it’s the losing team with the best record that has a higher chance of getting the first pick while the team with the worst record gets the last pick of the losing teams.
Too many times, crappy teams waste their first overall draft pick anyways, so stop rewarding them and stop punishing the best college players to have to go to the absolute worst team.
you got 41 days to call the fbi
Dukakis? Brother, that party trotted out a dead guy who still had dementia somehow, and that was 4 years ago. Bringing his corpse out in 2024 was low down, even for them…..
Yet somehow a guy OLDER than the 2020 guy was just elected.
It's possible the voters are stupid AF.
Man your commentary is as sarcastic as it is cynical and man do I love it
Thank you, appreciate it!
Mayo tanking earn you a first round draft pick.
Relegation should be in the cards but there's too much money on the line and logistics/hassle to implement. Also, the NFL would never allow it.
The eternal struggle: deciphering whether truly inept teams are purposefully tanking or just playing to their own level.
I've been watching the Raiders since 1990, this year's team isn't even in the bottom five worst.
Yeah I feel like even most of the Oakland Raiders teams of the mid-late 2000’s were worse than the current Las Vegas Raiders. By the way, I’m a Lions fan but I’ve always had love for the Raiders. I cannot root for that team anymore since they went to LV. They deserve to be in LA or Oakland and that’s it. It’s just ruined the legend behind the team, the logo, and the uniform for me.
It's not that teams are trying to tank, it's that over half of them have been so poor and have poor QB play, The AFC has been the most top heavy it's been in a very long time
A good piece of evidence for the case against NYG, Look at how Barklay is performing right now on a team that wants to rack up Ws. And New York gave him up to a rival.
Let me propose a rule change.
1) The bottom half of the league gets the first draft picks. The lousy teams go first
1a) The order of picks within the lousy teams gets is determined by their W/L record for the second half of the season. The lousy team with the best record in the second half of the season gets the first draft pick.
The lousy teams get first crack at the draftees before the good teams, but they have an incentive to keep winning.
They should stop playing them on tv until they actually start trying again.
Ever since gambling and betting sites came out in the open, the BS has been relentless with the refball
I know this isn't a serious accusation, but it did make me think about what's going on, because there have been a lot of almost comical losses by bad teams this year, not to mention teams that had high hopes and completely bombed out. And...quite honestly, I think there's a lot to the saying "winning teams find ways to win, losing teams find ways to lose."
Not that I don't think tanking ever happens, to be sure - I've no doubt that NFL teams have intentionally tanked (The Colts BLATANTLY tanked for Andrew Luck, for example) and will intentionally tank in the future. But the thing is that a bad team is more than just not having good players - organization, culture, attitude, and the like all play into it as well. You can assemble a squad of superstars from other teams, but if they can't play together, they can't succeed. And if a team gets it into their head that they're losers, that leads to a tendency to crumble in high-pressure situations - like close games. Conversely, teams that feel like they're winners? They push, they scrap, and they do things that given them chances to win, and when they face those same high-pressure situations, they believe in themselves enough that they can pull it off - especially if up against a team that doesn't. The way the Chiefs have been playing, they have no business being 12-1 -but they're a team that expects to win, and when their opponents don't trust themselves to be winners, that's an automatic edge if they're even within striking distance late in the game.
Garrett Wilson said after the Jets' most recent loss that it felt like they had a 'losing gene' (paraphrased). While not literally a gene, I don't think he's far off. Teams that have in in their head that they aren't a winning team will commit errors that cause them to lose games that they look like they're in position to win, because there's an unconscious sense that they shouldn't be winning. Cultivating a winning mentality is hard, because you have to be winning for it to truly stick - a team that doesn't truly believe in itself is going to struggle to find success, particularly consistent success. When you have a team like the Jets that haven't succeeded in a long time, once the adversity hits, it hits harder than it does for teams that don't have a recent history of failure, and it can snowball - and clearly did. Obviously all teams have their bad seasons, but it's when you have them persistently, with successes being outliers, that it starts to get entrenched, and it can be hell getting out of that.
Sometimes for decades, like we saw with the Lions. Between 1952 and 1962, they won 3 championships, lost another, and won 3 playoff bowls (which was a game to determine 3rd place) - 7 top 3 finishes in 11 years. Between 1963-89, they had just seven winning seasons, with just 2 in the 80s. Then they had a good decade, posting .500 or better records in 7 seasons between 1991 and 2000. And then they stunk again, pretty much until 2022, where even though they had a few playoff appearances, they still couldn't string any together - they couldn't be winners consistently enough to turn the corner. Now they might actually be good again. I don't think the Lions were ever tanking during those stretches - it didn't seem to matter who they drafted, anyway. They just had a losing culture and didn't ever get to truly believing that they weren't that. It seems like they've found that spark, though, because they've got their third winning season in a row.
A lot of the teams on the list here, they're in a similar boat. The Giants have had three winning seasons since 2011, none within 3 years of each other. The Jets haven't had a winning season since 2015 and a playoff game since 2010. The Browns (honorable mention so it counts) were in the playoffs last year and 4 years ago but haven't actually had any consistent goodness since the 80s. The Panthers have had one winning season since losing Super Bowl 50 in 2015. The Raiders haven't had back-to-back winning seasons since 01-02. The one team that doesn't fit the mold is the Titans, who had 6 straight winning seasons from 2016-2021, but they could very well be sliding into that position with their third straight losing season since. Looking at all of these teams, I legit don't think that they're tanking - they're just...losers, finding ways to lose because deep down, that's what they believe should happen. And until they find that spark that gets them believing again, it'll continue.
Very true
Nice touch juxtapositioning that scene from Little Big League with Pete Alonso's Game 3 home run against the Brewers.
Nfl should adopt a draft selection like nhl or nba where all teams that don't make the playoffs have a chance at #1
The whole draft with rewarding consistently badly ran franchises goes against anything professional sports should stand for. Winning and goed policy should be rewarded, not incompetence. Because we all know that any of these leagues with a draft system is nowhere near the ideal situation for a draft to work accordingly. This system would only work if all teams would have some sense of competence with the thing that somebody has to finish last and that isn't the case. And like the NFL is way too complicated to have a draft turn around a bad team. The Andrew Luck's of this world are an extremely rare exception.
Tanking is also mostly an overused term in sports. Usually these teams that are at the bottom are the same teams you see consistently at the top of a draft board, because their ownership and FO is too inept to field a competent, competitive team or in some cases, the ownership doesn't even care in the slightest. Tanking is the result of their rosters being shit and them losing that way, not the other way around.
One thing I like about soccer is that if your team outright stinks, you don't get to play with the big boys anymore. You have to spend a year in the next lower division (and some teams have been relegated further than that because of financial mismanagement-looking at you, Raiders and Mark Davis, you'd get shipped straight from the Bundesliga to Landesliga-Thuringen in the fifth division if this was Germany.)
This is also a good thing for fans of smaller-market teams. Getting relegated sucks, but at least you get to win some games for your fans against weaker competition in the following season as you find your level (my beloved Hansa Rostock stunk out the second division in 2023-24 but they're top half of the table in 3.Liga and have won five out of six.)
How we gonna blame Aiden O'Connell when it was the Raiders Center who fucked it up?
That Giants loss last weekend might have been my fault.
I was watching it, and I was honestly hoping the Saints would choke in OT, so Loomis wouldn’t be in a position to have to try to trade the farm for a gimp like he did in 2018 for Marcus Davenport. When they lined up for the field goal, I was crossing my fingers, going “please don’t block this”. *We all know what happened, next.*
The league's profit distribution policy should be revised. Give winning teams higher shares, with the losing teams having lower shares, in the total league income.
Jets aren't tanking, Aaron Rodgers just thinks he's the sheriff.. Nah, he's nowhere near Peyton's level as we see
6:30 The Bears didn't "run the ball there" and got criticized, too.
It ALL starts with NFL Commissioner and the Owners.
Tanking needs to be punished, period. I think the NFL should implement a lottery system that rewards winning or staying close in "meaningless" games at the end of the season
A little late to this party, but I've recently been mulling over this problem and the inspiration for my solution came from an unlikely place - Blitz: The League. Get ready - this is a long one.
First, the NFL should expand to 40+ teams, then divide them among the three tiers; I don't know exact numbers and that would depend how many teams the league settles on. For argument's sake, let's say 40. Put all 8 expansion teams and 12 bottom of the barrel current teams in the league to make up what we'll call "Division 3." Then take 12 middling teams to create "Division 2." The top 8 teams will be in "Division 1", or for you limey bastards out there, "Premier League."
This new NFL will work on a system of promotion and relegation similar to the English football leagues - at the end of each season, each team will be ranked according to their records. In Division 1/Premier League, 6 of 8 teams will make it into the playoffs, structured like the pre-2020 AFC/NFC playoffs, in pursuit of ultimate glory; the bottom two teams face off in a Tank Bowl, with the loser getting relegated to Division 2. Similarly in Division 2, all but the bottom 4 teams advance to the playoffs, and face off in a round robin "Tank Tournament" with the 2 worst performing teams being relegated to Division 3. Division 3 is more cutthroat, with only 8 teams making it to the playoffs for two promotion slots, and all the rest are left out in the cold. The champion of Division 2 gets promoted to Division 1 to replace the loser of the Tank Bowl, as do the 2 top Division 3 teams with the losers of the Division 2 "Tank Tournament".
But what about tanking? Can't dysfunctional organizations at the top of level just tank, get relegated and collect premium draft picks while they develop their young players at a lower level of competition before storming back to the top level of the league?
First off, the draft is structured differently here. The rounds are organized to work from the top down - Division 1 goes first, then Division 2, then Division 3 to close it out. Relegated teams are punished for their failures by being placed at the end of their new division's place in the round, because they're coming from a higher level of competition and (presumably) have a roster constructed accordingly, so they don't need the help. Conversely, the promoted teams get the first picks for their respective new divisions - not only do top draft picks now go to stable organizations with upward momentum, but these promoted teams get premium draft picks to supplement their rosters ahead of the heightened competition. Playoff teams at all 3 levels are placed in the draft based on their respective exits/finishes, just like the NFL draft. Obviously there's nowhere lower for Division 3 teams to go, but there's a wrinkle: their non-playoff teams get placed in the draft by lottery. So to clarify: the team being promoted to Division 1 gets the first overall pick, the team getting promoted to Division 2 picks No. 11 overall, the team being relegated to Division 2 picks No. 24 overall, the team that finishes last in Division 3 picks No. 25, and the team getting relegated to Division 3 picks No. 40 overall, and this order holds through each successive round.
Also, the salary cap is tiered. Division 1 has the highest, Division 2's is lower, and Division 3 is the lowest. So if a team is unwise with their money and stacks their roster with overpaid free agents but for whatever reason absolutely suck, like for example the 2021 Jaguars, and get relegated, they have to look over their roster and make cuts. Not only do terrible teams not get to curb the sting of relegation draft picks by stacking their roster with high ticket players, but those players are not anchored to sinking ships. In the interest of fairness, teams can avoid dead cap hits by placing these players on a system imagine working similar to waivers - instead of hitting the market outright, these players go through a claim process where teams can take turns deciding whether to pick them up at their existing contract; if the player was signed to a headscratcher that no sane team would want to take on, the player clears waivers and hits the open market where he can sign with any team but has to work a new contract from the ground up.
I think this system goes a long way to address concerns about whether or not there's enough "genuine NFL talent" for a 40-team NFL, because here there are fewer teams at the top tier of competition where such excellence is demanded, while players who would probably fit better someplace like the UFL, have their niche in Division 3; I also envision the lower tiers as places where players coming off serious injuries who were released by their teams can rehab and reestablish themselves. Since this is still technically a single league with a unified player pool, dark horse players at the lower level of competition can get signed by a team at a higher level. It also incentivizes teams to focus more on building winning cultures, because teams at lower levels are going to have weaker rosters and won't be able to skate by with high-end talent, and those who get promoted will need that strong culture to compensate for the jump in competition. Finally, *bad teams are held accountable* because there are actual consequences - getting sent down to the proverbial kids' table and potentially having to strip mine your roster to clear the salary cap.
Obviously, there are other considerations that would have to go into a league structured this way, but given the topic of this video is teams committing blatant tanking, I felt those aspects were the ones warranting focus.
If you're reading this: damn, you're a champ. Thank you. And remember - #loljets is eternal...
I really don't believe they do stupid mistakes (fumbles, int, bad decisions...) on purpose, I think this is just what very bad teams do
I'm ok with tanking. Two teams both trying to lose is pure entertainment
New rule: If you have a bottom-5 record, you get the pick you're entitled to, but you draft no less than three slots later in each subsequent draft until you either improve by more than three places (so from worst to fifth-worst or 11th to 15th pick, for example) or make the playoffs, whichever comes first. At that point you get a reset button.
You can still trade up in any given draft.
Horrible rule. NFL would never do this
whens the Soto video dropping Five
Aiden O'Connell looks like what I think Farva looked like right out of high school.
No one tanked as well as the 83-84 Penguins to get Mario Lemieux .
Wanna fix tanking, take the top 14 teams who made the playoffs /SB winners and still them pick last. Then, take draft spots 1-18 and do a draft lottery draw.
I had an idea on how to avoid tanking (or maybe at least make it more honest). If a team becomes statistically eliminated from playoff contention, they then must win games to then rise up in the draft. It could still make late season games like between two bad teams (aka tank bowls) an honest contest, or a playoff bubble team and a bad team so they’re incentivized to compete and maintain the integrity of the game and competition.
Plus fan bases can still route for their respective sucky teams to win out through the season! :).
Let me get a Pepsi for this.
Even sarcastically you couldn’t mention the Bears, because their level of trying is to start the game flat. Hibernation came early this year, again.
Perhaps next you can investigate the huge amount to coincidental official calls which have favored one particular team and allowed them to have a winning record. I think you know which team I'm talking about...
All the Jets have to do is play Roger's every game.
Upon further review it has been determined these are bad teams with horrible executives.
The NFL should do like football in Europe and South America, have a relegation system
Graham "why can't I get just one kick" Gano
This is all due to the rookie wage scale and the importance of the QB position where mediocre quarterbacks go in the top 10 every year when many are 2nd, 3rd round picks at best.
We are third in the tank bowl getting Travis Hunter with an insanely weak schedule and we aren’t even mentioned
I mean, what's there to investigate? We all know what a tank is. We all know why it happens, and how its done. We also know what makes it possible. Instead of a pointless investigation, the NFL needs to stop the Draft system in place, and switch to a Draft Lottery. Make picks a matter of random order, and the problem solves itself.
That was scathingly awesome!!!
It hurts me that we almost lost to a team trying to loss 😢
These types of teams should opt for a draft lottery or be punished with a lower salary cap.
I was at that Giants game Sunday. I knew they were gonna lose, but i didn't expect them to make it close at the end. Then again, you have to be "competitive" in order to intentionally tank. It was funny watching some Saints fans popping off on poor Giants fans as if they are proud of winning against a tanking basement team.
The Panthers were benefiting from lots of passing interference penalties. That game was 100% not the refs 5:51
Yeah i was sitting there thinking that was literally the opposite of what happened. You gotta love it.
Because IT WAS pass interference and they didn't call all of them or the Chiefs holding calls.
Win the SUPER BOWL , gets the 1st round pick.. i've been saying this for 25 years.
Thanks Tennessee, you were the only game that was preventing me from having a perfect week of picks in my office’s weekly pick’em pool. 😢
The center for the raiders needs to be checked out for how much money he got paid to snap that ball so ahead of time. Absolutely bullshit that the chiefs keep winning with garbage.
I really hope this is satire
They really need to implement a lottery system
I think the Giants needs to be investigated 🔎 they're losing games on purpose
So when does FPV claim responsibility for the banner over MetLife?
The Jets are just doing their usual thing… though at least Rogers didn’t fumble the ball off of his teammates’ ass… yet.
Give us a Suck Bowl. Bottom 2 teams play for 1st pick, pick can’t be traded before that game.
They should do it like other soccer clubs, the three teams with the worst record should leave the NFL. Send them to the XFL and get the best teams from them.
Relegation won’t work in the nfl because of how the league structure is. It is a closed league. Bad teams out of the nfl will go bankrupt and finacially collapse
There should be consequences. Loss of the team's first round pick should do just fine.
Not the Alonso home run 3:43 😂
Panthers did it 3 weeks in a row
Can you do this for all the other sports leagues
im here for the mom jokes LOL
Nobody is out-tanking my Raiders! We will always find a way!
man fives panther takes this year has had a lot of salt in them. someone feeling some buyers remorse from burns.
Nah. A) the draft is a crap shoot, so many busts, even at #1. B) how much do you have to pay the players to tank their career? Even on a bad team, they are putting in film for others. C) So many one score games, standings would look very different if not for a toe or a doink (KC). There are no bad teams in the NFL, just teams coming up short on any given Sunday.
Bears have me sus after the 9ers game
It’s bad that they’re all tanking, but it’s worse knowing the absolute STATE of this year’s Draft class. Raiders could get Shadeur Sanders as a best case scenario. Embarrassing.
Let's investigate the NFL while we're at it for things like cost, finding the right channel, ref stuff.... Other things 😆 We gotta do something in the office season!
that raiders game vs the chiefs was an awful ending
Hey now
Panthers aren't officially eliminated yet
who’s the #1 pick everyone’s ranking for
How do you include the Panthers and not spotlight Xavier Legette's drop of a sure game-winning TD against the Eagles?
The last time I was this early to an upload, the Cowboys still had playoff hopes.
Steelers win wasn’t bullshit this time. They played 2 good games in a row against division rivals. Now they have 3 of their toughest games in a span of 10 days. Give us a damn break