@@outstandingdogmarron2567 Jameson would Alex Jones Spider-Man into oblivion. With derangement not seen since the last moustached man riled up a band of haters against the person(s) he hated
@@Abominatrix650”Listen here American people. We’ve had our best analyst and eye witness who were on the floor saw Spider-Man throwing trapped civilians out of the 68th floor. Can you confirm this Jonah?”
Doom having set up his own attack that day and inadvertently causing a good chunk of 9/11 conspiracy theories is a pretty trollsy idea so it’s my new headcanon.
Realistically, I don't see how that would benefit Doom. He's not usually portrayed as someone who kills just to kill, or kills to attempt to make a statement. Unless it immediately benefits him, don't think he would care that much. He just wants power and to rule the world. He listened to Tears for Fears one time and knew what he wanted in life lol. But jokes aside he is a character who is mostly opposed to pointless violence. But he finds heroes quite irksome and usually just can't help but get into some kind of conflict with them
Also, there's one screwed up thing that people forget to mention about this tribute: after this comic, Osama bin Laden never appeared again and the marvel wiki lists him as alive, which means that in the marvel universe, he canonically got away with it.
Iron Man would have come down with the fist of white American colonial nationalism on Bin Laden in like 12 hours of the event if 9/11 had happened in Marvel.
Obviously. They can literally stop and manipulate time. Dr. Strange probably watched the whole thing happen outside his sanctum while sipping cocoa in his slippers.
Doom moarning for the victims just doesn't make sense. If anyone, Kingpin would be the most devastated as he loves his city, and maybe Magneto could show some empathy, but I just can't see Doom care anyhow
Your right Americans really talk about 9/11 like it was the biggest loss of human life ever. There were tsunamis in 2004 that killed over 250,000 people across Asia bit it is not brought up all the time like 9/11
In lore he arrived after they collapsed. Considering what was going on in his comics at the time honestly I can't blame spidey too much. Plus what was bro gonna do? Catch it lol
@@michaellabonte6390bro... Don't underestimate spiderman, like he holds back his powers so much that he's basically nerfed. 💀 like that man is someone who has single handledly beated the avengers who mind you at the time, had captain Marvel aswell! Like this man soloed the Avengers and captain marvel
@@kwayneboy1524 it's a topical comic, like spider-man meeting obama. marvel universe has sliding timescale, so at the start they lived in the 60s, currently fantastic four was created around 15 years ago. if tony stark said "it's 1973" in 1973, the current version is he said "it's 200X". the 9/11 issue is fully topical and interrupts the main story, nobody ever spoke about its canonicity so even if it was canon it's been retconned out of existence.
I can appreciate the sentiment of the people behind this comic, but making it happen in marvel or dc doesn’t make sense. I think the comic would’ve worked better had it been through the perspective of a child seeing the emergency responders and volunteers as the marvel heroes. You could also explore the idea of 9/11 being prevented by the superheroes what would that world look like? would everything be better or would there be a worse event that takes place? There are ways to have heroes be relatable to victims of 9/11 without having to make 9/11 a thing.
The Boys comic does explore that, the Seven were successful in keeping the twin towers standing (at the loss of 3 of it's members) but they caused the plane to destroy the Brooklyn bridge instead.
It was too soon to do something in such poor taste as have the heroes prevent the disaster. Also, just the act of changing real history in the comics would require a LOT of base level world building in every single comic going forward, because the superhero universe would NOT be like our universe anymore, not unlike the way the ongoing Snap consequences are awkwardly depicted in the few Marvel Movie that tried to deal with them. Also note that hero science and magic stuff is never adopted by the general public, because that ALSO requires tons of worldbuilding that the comic writers were not willing to maintain for decades. Look specifically at OG animated Transformers Season 3. In the start of this season, there is a 20 YEAR forward time jump, to the far future (at that time) of 2005 (when the animated movie is also set). This changes the entire show, for the worse, it turns out, as the Transformers technology is adopted by society, and everyone has hoverboards and hovercars, and all the buildings look like Blade Runner. Effectively this means that most episodes CANNOT happen on Earth anymore, because of the Scifi story writing that would have to go into every Earth episode, because now Earth society itself is effectively an alien world, and, of course, this would have to be ret-conned out anyway, since we got to 2005, and we had none of the cool stuff the series had the public having. Clearly Season 3 had some VERY lazy writing, in actually thinking that every existing building would be replaced in 20 years, when that type of thing has never happened in Earth history, even when building tech changed in fundamental ways, like with the introduction of metals as building materials, replacing stone.
The only way I can imagine 9/11 happening in a superheroes' world is if there's an event that occupied all heroes capable of preventing the disaster, and likewise villains that may care about it, in a separate dimension such as Battle World. Imagine after the event all the characters return to Earth just to find out what happened when they were gone.
DC has a much stranger approach to 9/11 where it only exists if needs to motivate a character. Simon Baz has an origin linked to 9/11, to my knowledge batman has never mentioned it
@@tylerbain5727the thing is, Superman doesn’t live in New York and can’t always save everyone, either he’s saving Lois, fighting some strong alien, saving people from a natural disaster. My point is he can’t always save everyone. The difference is that in marvel everyone lives in New York pretty much, so someone could’ve definitely stopped it.
That's why "cancer-plots" have never really worked for me in the comics I mean these guys can travel to another galaxies dimensions and micro-worlds and you REALLY telling me they CAN'T FIX A BROKEN SPINE? Or Reed Richards who (despite all of the above) cannonically has thousands of ideas how to destroy the World and cloned Thor (as well as travelled to the afterlife) CAN'T FIND A WAY TO CURE CANCER? ARE YOU EVEN SERIOUS?
That could easily be fixed, which is the funnier part, because we’ve seen Superman have his cells slowly degrading and other abnormal super-diseases that aren’t curable through normal means.
That has been one of the problems with Marvel choosing to have their universe set on 'Modern Day' earth. Then, you have to account for changes in the real world that could affect the Supers. The best they could do was acknowledge that it happened, then go back to telling their stories, knowing that if supers really existed, they would have stopped it in any of a number of ways (or gone back to fix it after the fact if necessary).
Actually in general, one of the most awkward things in fiction when dealing with alternate history of any kind that takes place in the same world as ours. Is that they tend to be weird about ANY historical tragedy Like I am serious. In the Percy Jacksons series, the way they handled WW2 was one of the worst things that Riordan did, in that Hitler is canonically a demi-god son of Hades, and the reason the greek gods had to get involved and they gave the allies and axis magic and stuff Like they tend to get odd, and weird
@@vardiganxpl1698 I think that's why a lot of series have the superpowerd stuff be a secret, or have them only deal with a specific thing. That way they can write around any historical events happening. What were the Jujutsu Sorcerers doing during World War 2? The most devastating conflict in human history? Well they were dealing with Cursed Spirits. I imagine all that Death and Negative Energy culminated in some crazy Cursed Spirits. ESPECIALLY after the bombs dropped.
@@bulletxwound3559 It’s something they introduce immediately in the first book when they’re explaining to Percy why The Big Three don’t have kids anymore. They said “Yeah, literally every time there were a bunch of those kids running around, mass destruction and war follows. After WW2, they just agreed to stop.”
@@superiorcomicfan Captain america is still frozen, ancient one protects against mystical threats, Captain marvel was off world, the fantastic 4 movie coming up takes place in another universe, ant-man probably couldn't do anything at that current time
This reminds me of a question I asked years ago, what percentage of Humanity are Mutants? Like I think one story said in about 20 years Mutants will outnumber Humanity. So what is it, 1 in 50? 1 in a 1000?
@ according to house of x the highest number they reached was 17,508,236, this was at some points in the 2000s so let’s say it was 2005 and back then we were 6,586,970,132 (assuming that their universe has same population numbers as us), they would equal 0.27% of our population (they keep getting gen*cided so this number kinda means nothing)
@@NoOne-lc8qj I also assume the number can get tricky since a lot of superpowerd people are just assumed to be Mutants. Spider-Man has been accused of being a Mutant a few times and Deadpool at least pretends he's one. Franklin Richards changed his DNA to match theirs, but he wasn't one originally.
Your comment reminds me of how around the same time Grant Morrison was working on X-Men and he had two giant Sentinels devastate the island of Genosha which was full of sixteen million mutants at the time.
This is why incorporating too much from the real world in superhero comics doesn’t make sense. DC generally avoids this, but Marvel tries to have its stories fit in our world.
@kwayneboy1524 he means that if something like say a massive flood ravages the state of Florida and all we have is first responders while marvel has literal gods and monsters that can make short work of said flood, why have the heroes stand around when they could have prevented the flooding in the first place
@@kiwilord9628 There's also the trope, "why doesn't Reed Richards cure cancer?" It's another head-scratcher that comes up when you have superhero comics taking place in the "real world". Even in the MCU we see Tony Stark invent limitless clean energy and figure out time travel in a single night, but the world still has mundane problems like cancer, even though the technology and magic that these characters have access to should be able to solve most real world problems.
@@jayb8934This is why having modern day problems in comics has never really made much sense. I remember the infamous image of Jon Kent protesting climate change acting like he doesnt live in a world filled with people with ice powers or those who could straight up reality warp away pollution or push the sun away by a centimeter or something. Gun control? Bruh why is a superhero complaining about people having guns for self defense in worlds where things like Doomsday and Ultron exist? What about random mutant #253 who can just randomly awaken his powers one day and melt a whole town unintentionally? This doesn't even go into the problem of what would humanity do if a supe went rogue? There's a lot more problems than joe schmoe thinking his has 2nd amendment rights. Then there's the ones that try to tackle religious discrimination, in a world where Hercules, Thor, Odin and Ares can all pop up to fight other ancient mythological deities in downtown New York or the freaking Devil himself can be walking around town. If anything that would lead to a religious crisis rather than discrimination.
The 9/11 issue is great tribute( the supervillains crying makes no real sense though)but you really have to suspend your disbelief for it to work which is a problem when you want to add relevant topics or real world events into your fictional story without creating holes in your stories world building.
To me the only thing that was weird about it. Was that Doctor Doom cried. I mean why on earth would Doom ever care about something like 9/11. Also I'd say having 9/11 happen in the dc universe makes no sense at all. Your saying Superman wouldn't have been aware and couldn't have done anything.
He is still human in the end, even being Doom. Not to mention he himself runs a country. It doesn’t make the most sense but this comic isn’t really about what makes sense for the Marvel universe, rather addressing the tragedy which occurred
@@sopebarrofficial3557Nah man, the excuses you gave just don't work. He's a human who doesn't care, and have been shown to not care dozens of times, like the video suggests. He doesn't even care when it is in Latveria. They should just have kept him away for this one. Magneto kinda works, he's a bit more sympathetic, but Doom? It's like drawing bin laden crying. He would have done it himself and on a much larger scale, like he already did multiple times.
Selfish of Magneto being on Ground Zero, and not helping the first responders by using his powers to clear the rubble. There could have been mutants trapped! And, I've heard that Juggernaut has knocked down one of the towers in a comic, don't know which one.
you know how when a wrestler dies in WWE or some tragic event happens they have all the wrestlers standing together paying their respect before the show begins? this what these comics felt like. It made the conflict between the heroes and villains look like kayfabe. It isn't real, nobody is really harmed or dead, it was all just a show.
We could say that all the heroes tried to stop the planes but the TVA warned them that it was a cannon event and they had to let it pass. the villains crying? let's just say they weren't real villains, they were actors who were there dancing and taking photos with the tourists for money.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp"Miles, I have to sleep with your mother." "What the f- why?!" "It's a canon event, bro." "There's no way in hell that's a canon event." "Where do you think your Latino heritage comes from, Miles?"
So are you telling me that the planes passed through countless defense systems, Stark Tower and The Baxter Building, at least ONE Shield Helicarrier, and multiple heros on patrol??? Hell nah man its a inside job.
I'm surprised it took everyone so long to talk about his ridiculous this story is... or maybe, it was so ridiculous that nobody even cared to talk about it.
It was meant to help deal with the current situation mate and honestly does anybody really care if it's not accurate to their world? It doesn't have to make sense
This is a great example of why writer should just not touch these topics like bruh wdym 9/11 is canon event and im sorry but who even cares about 9/11 that much in the marvel universe they deal with this stuff daily also the fact that there are still terrorism is a sign of failure in superheroes more than anything like supervillians are just evil people but terroirst habe actual reasons to do what they do
I think what makes it worse is that Marvel also has it's own answer to 9/11 Civil War with the New Warriors Incident. It even has it's own version of the Patriot Act. Like with Civil War, Marvel essentially has 2 9/11s..
Bro did you literally watch any marvel movie, read any marvel comic, or watch any marvel show, like at all? Normal people were trying to fight the hulk, normal people were trying to fight captain america, normal people were trying to fight spiderman, they don't care if they're supes, they will try to fight them
@VegetaandGoku_Gaming you are talking about marvel normal people. Not real normal people. That's the point of the fucking video. Bringing a real event to the marvel world doesn't work. If there were Sups in the real world USA would be an unstoppable empire and rule the entire planet.
5:21 Thoroughly unrelated to the video overall, but one of the best parts about Marvel's Spider-Man 2 is how goddamned BRUTAL the combat is. Like Kraven *definitely* lost a henchman there, whether she survived that crushed windpipe or not.
he doesnt do that in the comics, but yes he has a lot of other powers to prevent or repair the thing. I mean, Magneto was there, and he just saw a building made of metal falls...
And given the number of villains, would collapsing 2 towers be just another Thursday? Like destruction happens so often this wouldn't be anything new or shocking
It can be argued that it was a lot more shocking to them for regular humans to have done it using hijacked airliners rather than some intergalactic threat or supervillain
@@doodledangernoodle2517ww1 and ww2 I’m pretty sure have canonically happened in the marvel universe so I don’t see how 9/11 would be seen as extremely different considering how messed up humanity got during ww2
In my opinion, the writers employed this technique to demonstrate that not all heroes originate from comic books. They paid tribute to those who valiantly fought but ultimately did not return. While I understand your point that they possessed the ability to prevent the towers from collapsing, their failure to do so remains an enigma. However, this could have been a deliberate choice by the writers to express their profound grief while simultaneously uplifting the individuals and city affected by this tragic event.
I love how this is a mix of using comic logic on real-world events. It doesn't make sense in the comics they managed to carry out both plane attacks successfully on the Towers, but at the same time, it would have been insane for it to play out differently in the comics. I think they would have gotten a crazy amount of backlash if they were just like, "Well, Spider-Man stepped in and stopped the second plane." or "The F4 stopped the whole thing from happening at all." while the world was still dealing with the actual reality of it.
The fact that dr doom legit says "what kind of monster would do such a thing?" Or something along those lines and cries is so out of character if anything he's be mad he didn't think of doing it first 💀
Yeah, as other people have pointed out the only one that would really make sense to be devastated is Kingpin. I’m trying to get maybe Magneto being empathetic, but I honestly can’t see that either as he would probably just view it as another example of humans being fucked up to further justify his crusade.
As a Muslim i know the impacts of 9/11 so I can relate the aftermath And goddamn you have an obvious point and the whole time i was like yes like what is going on 😂
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That one point about superheroes being largely restricted to serving under a very specific umbrella of heroism for the sake of maintaining the status quo has always been a rather curious observation to me. It's something that I'd be genuinely interested in seeing explored and deconstructed further within the genre in the near future. Seeing superheroes be allowed to explore and apply their unique abilities to issues lying outside the usual ballpark offered to them by the "powers-that-be" has potential for some really interesting discussions.
Exactly like there no storylines of hero's trying to take down capitalism or change healthcare it's always the hero's fighting outside sources instead of real rooted evil in our society
While it doesn't make sense with in the narrative of a comic book world full of superheroes for a terrorist attack of this magnitud to happen, unless there was a conspiracy just as massive, that wasn't the point of this issue of The Amazing Spider-Man, it was meant to send a message it was Marvel's way to talk to their readers and let them know "there are real heroes doing all they can and we will move on from this, we can still live on", they even used 9/11 other times, like in Spider-Man Life Story, Peter ages with the pass of time like any normal person would, and he is an old man when 9/11 happens and actually stop being Spider-Man for years at that point, but he put on a makeshift mask and help getting people out the rubble; Also it needed to be acknowlaged by Marvel in some way, the artist and writters could just keep using the twin towers like nothing happen (in the real that is), this is why DC has an advanted with places that don't like Metropolis and Gotham, they can do what ever they want, I mean Marvel can too, but they have to stick to real world events and DC doesn't; so the 9/11 in Marvel was necessary to acknowlage, I don't if DC did something similar though.
Reminded of a comic Ex Machina where the main character is able to stop the second tower falling but has angst for “missing the first plane”. It was a nice compromise
Ok, ok, ok, I thought everything was kinda dumb but SCARLET WITCH WAS THERE!? She lifts up buildings! How the hell can she not a hold an airplane in place!?
2:18 By the way, this is one of his best stories. It was the first comic book of spider e read, and even youg me was impressed by the quality of this. Very inspiring and emotional
It gets funnier because I think in one of the trailers for the first Raimi Spider-Man movie, it shows two planes being caught in a giant web between the towers so yes, Spider-Man could've stopped it but, he didn't
When discussed 9/11, one thing that doesn't work for me is the Marvel Universe "sliding timeline," especially when it comes to the 616 timeline. Peter Parker has been Spider-Man for around 15 - 20 years. As of writing this comment, 9/11 happened 23 years ago, so Spider-Man wouldn't have been involved with the tragedy simply because how time works.
I think one important difference between 9/11 and many marvel events is that it didn't involve anything superhuman. 9/11 was strictly a case of ordinary people using ordinary objects to cause a calamity. Still though, it is odd in the overall Marvel context
Out of Doom, Magneto, and Kingpin, only Kingpin makes sense. He’s sometimes been characterized to care about New York and it’s people (although, I wouldn’t say it’s consistent, but I like the idea so I’m gonna pretend it is). So, I could see him helping, but definitely not Doom or Magneto.
To be honest on a world like marvel 9/11 would be prevented of ever happened, on the other hand the stanford incident works better as marvel's 9/11, and in mcu's case the battle of new york. On the comics of the boys it's pretty well done how 9/11 is an important plot point by homelander's fault when he left everyone died the washigton bridge ended up destroyed instead
I can see Magneto being upset about it, as a holocaust survivor I don't think he likes any mass casualty event. As for trying to kill the population, that Magneto is super inconsistent. Magneto in the 60's would kill all humans, but post trial of Magneto, he vows not to kill humans anymore. Then, in the 90's when Moira McTaggart tries to wipe his memory, he freaks out and becomes evil again, but then becomes good again right after. In Morrison's New X-Men, Magneto also tries to destroy the human race, but that wasn't actually Magneto, it was Xorn disguised as Magneto. When he was back in the 2010's he was a good guy again, almost always on the x-men in some capactity. In the most recent Krakoa era, Magneto AGAIN vows to "kill no man" TLDR: Magneto does not support mass killings, he fought during AXE: JUDGMENT DAY to save the population of the planet. Currently, he is STILL on the X-Men. Edit: I also forgot to mention that as a jewish person and a mutant, he is adamantly against racism, which is unfortunately the lasting legacy of the war on terror, Magneto would fight for anyone being marginalized and attacked.
The reason Doom is crying is because now Stark tower and the Baxter building are the tallest buildings in New York
So real
Lol😂
Sounds accurate tbh
That Trump quote 😂
Omg... a blue lupe?????
The world i were born in no longer exists
"The superheroes were in on it"
Theory would 100% be a thing if they existed in real life
Jameson would definitely think Spider-Man did it
@outstandingdogmarron2567 LMAO🤣🤣🤣
@@outstandingdogmarron2567"spider-Man was there on the plane he Webb swing out"
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Jameson would Alex Jones Spider-Man into oblivion. With derangement not seen since the last moustached man riled up a band of haters against the person(s) he hated
@@Abominatrix650”Listen here American people. We’ve had our best analyst and eye witness who were on the floor saw Spider-Man throwing trapped civilians out of the 68th floor. Can you confirm this Jonah?”
Dr Doom is crying for at least 2 reasons:
1: he already planted a bomb but the terrorists stole his kill
2: they didn't hit the baxter building
3: Richard's was planning to head to the building that day. But doom used a device to cause Richards transport to break down.
Doom having set up his own attack that day and inadvertently causing a good chunk of 9/11 conspiracy theories is a pretty trollsy idea so it’s my new headcanon.
4: despite the tragedy reed richards is still alive
@@sarafontanini7051 5: Reed Richards is alive
@@el-fran-del-monton6. Reed is still alive
Shield has a giant helicarrier with several jets and teleporters hovering right over NYC.
They definitely saw the plane coming.
it was an inside job after all
How much you wanna bet Maria Hill let that happen. She was always the worse
Inside job
@@hattoripool1533 Nick Fury was still in charge at that point...
Could argue that literally every character was orf planet fighting Galactu- *forget it*
Doom is crying because he didn’t think to do it himself
Reed was 10 minutes late from a meeting in the building
Doom: "Why, that's the evilest thing I can IMAGINE."
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@@jaminnot2046 yo
Realistically, I don't see how that would benefit Doom. He's not usually portrayed as someone who kills just to kill, or kills to attempt to make a statement. Unless it immediately benefits him, don't think he would care that much. He just wants power and to rule the world. He listened to Tears for Fears one time and knew what he wanted in life lol. But jokes aside he is a character who is mostly opposed to pointless violence. But he finds heroes quite irksome and usually just can't help but get into some kind of conflict with them
Ironman: *tries to redirect the plane to the other direction
*Miguel O'Hara's theme starts playing: "no."
Then continues causing trouble in middle east.
Then continues causing trouble in middle east.
"it's a canon event, peter"
@@zaidalvi-r2l *Tony
@@zaidalvi-r2l "I'm tony stark"
2:46 “9/11… Fuck that’s genius why didn’t I think of that”
LMFAO that is devious but absolutely in character
Now he can't do It to the Baxter Building 😢😢
Doctor Boss 😮
;;p;
Also, there's one screwed up thing that people forget to mention about this tribute: after this comic, Osama bin Laden never appeared again and the marvel wiki lists him as alive, which means that in the marvel universe, he canonically got away with it.
Lol
The superheroes were indeed on it confirmed
😂 that's hilarious
Well tbh it's easy to forget some human when you have literal aliens threatening to destroy Earth
Iron Man would have come down with the fist of white American colonial nationalism on Bin Laden in like 12 hours of the event if 9/11 had happened in Marvel.
Jet fuel can't melt Spider Webs
Like if it can contain Human Torch let alone of Jet fuel
J.Jonah Jameson : 911 was an arachnid job, spiderman the mass murderer!
@@SarevokRegorspider-mans Webs were found at the ruins of the towers more evidence that spider-man is behind 9/11
Obviously. They can literally stop and manipulate time. Dr. Strange probably watched the whole thing happen outside his sanctum while sipping cocoa in his slippers.
Magnetos ass is not crying over some non mutants bruh 💀
"Serves ya right, dang HOOMANS"
He would be like when Miller was cheering on Lauren Lake’s Paternity Court
He's crying because he wasn't the one who did it
Unless their Jewish
If bro really cared he could've stopped the plane and the tower from falling
Doom moarning for the victims just doesn't make sense. If anyone, Kingpin would be the most devastated as he loves his city, and maybe Magneto could show some empathy, but I just can't see Doom care anyhow
Exactly, Kingpin is like you say, deeply conected to the city, that makes sense.
Yeah, sometimes these writers don't understand Doom. Kingpin definitely makes the most sense.
Yeah, that's the thing that bottered me the most
Yeah like Doom cannot be upset . He’s done WAY worse things
US people think that 911 affect everyone around the world and that isnt true
Fun fact: Juggernaut had already destroyed the twin towers in the marvel universe already by the time this came out
And I believe Spider-Man was there for that too!
@@zacharyrupley3264 SPIDER-MAN IS SECRETLY BEHIND ALL OF THE 9/11 -j.j.jameson probably
Wait WHAT
@@ilikepigeons6101: Had that issue on one of my digital comic CDs, it was from the mid or late 90s.
@@ilikepigeons6101I think they talk about this issue: Spider-Man #16 - Sabotage X-Over, Part 1
Tragedies greater than 9/11 happen happen in Marvel on a daily basis. I cant imagine this being a big issue for them
Yeah, but those are usually stopped by the heroes.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp yea but not always lol. That's where the tragedy part comes from. Not really a tragedy if they save the day
@@Pwilly07 I guess so. They couldn't stop the event that started the event of the Marvel Civil War.
Statistically "lighter" than 9/11. Let's talk about ultimatum@DavidMartinez-ce3lp
Your right Americans really talk about 9/11 like it was the biggest loss of human life ever. There were tsunamis in 2004 that killed over 250,000 people across Asia bit it is not brought up all the time like 9/11
The first plane, sure, THE SECOND PLANE?!?! Imagine spiderman just sitting there watching 😂
In lore he arrived after they collapsed. Considering what was going on in his comics at the time honestly I can't blame spidey too much. Plus what was bro gonna do? Catch it lol
Bro was out there just having breakfast, hes an exploited photographer, bro can never catch a break i swear
@@michaellabonte6390Uhh yes
@@michaellabonte6390bro... Don't underestimate spiderman, like he holds back his powers so much that he's basically nerfed. 💀 like that man is someone who has single handledly beated the avengers who mind you at the time, had captain Marvel aswell! Like this man soloed the Avengers and captain marvel
@@michaellabonte6390uhh yeah lmao, he did it before
I can hear Jamenson's voice claiming spiderman did it
Spider-Man's a menace! I told you he was trouble!
Nah jamenson may say a lot of things but even he has standards to things like this.
Juggernaut: *crying* It should have been me! NOT OSAMA BIN LADEN!!!
I COULD'VE DONE IT EVEN FASTER THAN HE DID
I treat this comic as non canon.
How so?
@@kwayneboy1524 it's a topical comic, like spider-man meeting obama. marvel universe has sliding timescale, so at the start they lived in the 60s, currently fantastic four was created around 15 years ago. if tony stark said "it's 1973" in 1973, the current version is he said "it's 200X". the 9/11 issue is fully topical and interrupts the main story, nobody ever spoke about its canonicity so even if it was canon it's been retconned out of existence.
@@ZoomToMalware alright
@@ZoomToMalwareYeah just happened in a different timeline within the infinite multiverse
@@ZoomToMalwarearnt most of them topical like any story involving a Russian
I can appreciate the sentiment of the people behind this comic, but making it happen in marvel or dc doesn’t make sense. I think the comic would’ve worked better had it been through the perspective of a child seeing the emergency responders and volunteers as the marvel heroes. You could also explore the idea of 9/11 being prevented by the superheroes what would that world look like? would everything be better or would there be a worse event that takes place? There are ways to have heroes be relatable to victims of 9/11 without having to make 9/11 a thing.
I feel like exploring a world where it didn't happen would have been considered in poor taste at the time, but I love your other idea.
The Boys comic does explore that, the Seven were successful in keeping the twin towers standing (at the loss of 3 of it's members) but they caused the plane to destroy the Brooklyn bridge instead.
Superheroes stop the planes... and towers still fall down.
It was too soon to do something in such poor taste as have the heroes prevent the disaster. Also, just the act of changing real history in the comics would require a LOT of base level world building in every single comic going forward, because the superhero universe would NOT be like our universe anymore, not unlike the way the ongoing Snap consequences are awkwardly depicted in the few Marvel Movie that tried to deal with them. Also note that hero science and magic stuff is never adopted by the general public, because that ALSO requires tons of worldbuilding that the comic writers were not willing to maintain for decades. Look specifically at OG animated Transformers Season 3. In the start of this season, there is a 20 YEAR forward time jump, to the far future (at that time) of 2005 (when the animated movie is also set). This changes the entire show, for the worse, it turns out, as the Transformers technology is adopted by society, and everyone has hoverboards and hovercars, and all the buildings look like Blade Runner. Effectively this means that most episodes CANNOT happen on Earth anymore, because of the Scifi story writing that would have to go into every Earth episode, because now Earth society itself is effectively an alien world, and, of course, this would have to be ret-conned out anyway, since we got to 2005, and we had none of the cool stuff the series had the public having. Clearly Season 3 had some VERY lazy writing, in actually thinking that every existing building would be replaced in 20 years, when that type of thing has never happened in Earth history, even when building tech changed in fundamental ways, like with the introduction of metals as building materials, replacing stone.
The only way I can imagine 9/11 happening in a superheroes' world is if there's an event that occupied all heroes capable of preventing the disaster, and likewise villains that may care about it, in a separate dimension such as Battle World. Imagine after the event all the characters return to Earth just to find out what happened when they were gone.
Marvel 616's 9/11 was M-Day.
Spider-Man Web of Shadows logic
Secret Wars?
@dubuyajay9964 yeah
What is m Day?@walterlucero5757
DC has a much stranger approach to 9/11 where it only exists if needs to motivate a character. Simon Baz has an origin linked to 9/11, to my knowledge batman has never mentioned it
At least none of them live in NewYork.
Also, you'd think Superman would be able to hear everything going on in both planes. And idk. Catch them or something. Like he always does.
@@tylerbain5727the thing is, Superman doesn’t live in New York and can’t always save everyone, either he’s saving Lois, fighting some strong alien, saving people from a natural disaster. My point is he can’t always save everyone. The difference is that in marvel everyone lives in New York pretty much, so someone could’ve definitely stopped it.
@@anthonynieto5307 the actual thing is, this was Silver Age Superman
Just assume it’s the sliding timeline effect. As the farther we get from 9/11 the less likely the chance superhero’s were active? Idk
I never understood why Doctor freacking Doom cries about 9/11
He was sad
@@S1LV3R.GH057About what though. It’s not like 2 towers collapsing compares to the horrendous stuff that he has done.
@@Ashlego i dunno, he just was kinda sad i guess
because he didn't think of the idea first
He's just thinking about his mom
Doom would do 9/11 twice and reserve a plane for the Baxter Building
Doom actually attacked New York with missiles after Nick Fury and the Avengers secretly infiltrated Latveria for an undercover black ops mission.
That's why "cancer-plots" have never really worked for me in the comics
I mean these guys can travel to another galaxies dimensions and micro-worlds and you REALLY telling me they CAN'T FIX A BROKEN SPINE?
Or Reed Richards who (despite all of the above) cannonically has thousands of ideas how to destroy the World and cloned Thor (as well as travelled to the afterlife) CAN'T FIND A WAY TO CURE CANCER?
ARE YOU EVEN SERIOUS?
My God, I'm glad to see someone else who acknowledges how absurd these storylines are.
This man can’t even cure his best friends superpowers to be fair
wakanda has a cure for cancer but won’t share it with the rest of the world for some “they’ll use it for evil” reasoning
That could easily be fixed, which is the funnier part, because we’ve seen Superman have his cells slowly degrading and other abnormal super-diseases that aren’t curable through normal means.
Not Juggernaut hanging around as if he didn't do a 9/11 in the 90s.
Magneto could've easily prevented the second plane at the very least
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Jameson was right!
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That has been one of the problems with Marvel choosing to have their universe set on 'Modern Day' earth. Then, you have to account for changes in the real world that could affect the Supers. The best they could do was acknowledge that it happened, then go back to telling their stories, knowing that if supers really existed, they would have stopped it in any of a number of ways (or gone back to fix it after the fact if necessary).
Actually in general, one of the most awkward things in fiction when dealing with alternate history of any kind that takes place in the same world as ours. Is that they tend to be weird about ANY historical tragedy
Like I am serious. In the Percy Jacksons series, the way they handled WW2 was one of the worst things that Riordan did, in that Hitler is canonically a demi-god son of Hades, and the reason the greek gods had to get involved and they gave the allies and axis magic and stuff
Like they tend to get odd, and weird
@@vardiganxpl1698 I think that's why a lot of series have the superpowerd stuff be a secret, or have them only deal with a specific thing. That way they can write around any historical events happening. What were the Jujutsu Sorcerers doing during World War 2? The most devastating conflict in human history? Well they were dealing with Cursed Spirits. I imagine all that Death and Negative Energy culminated in some crazy Cursed Spirits. ESPECIALLY after the bombs dropped.
@@allforone3427 "Shouldn't we do something about this war?"
"Nah, I'd spectate."
@@vardiganxpl1698 which book was that in? That is pretty insane lmao
@@bulletxwound3559 It’s something they introduce immediately in the first book when they’re explaining to Percy why The Big Three don’t have kids anymore. They said “Yeah, literally every time there were a bunch of those kids running around, mass destruction and war follows. After WW2, they just agreed to stop.”
At least with the MCU, they have the excuse of Superheroes didn't really become a thing until years after the 9/11.
No not anymore lately they've been retconning in superheroes and that super scifi spy stuff being a thing in the time before Iron Man.
Captain Marvel?
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@@superiorcomicfan was about to make a counterpoint but my mind is fried rn, I just got back from a school debate.
@@superiorcomicfan Captain america is still frozen, ancient one protects against mystical threats, Captain marvel was off world, the fantastic 4 movie coming up takes place in another universe, ant-man probably couldn't do anything at that current time
I’m sorry miles, but it’s a canon event
“You can’t expect me not to save the World Trade Center!”
3:36 "were the towers full of mutants"😭😭😭😭
This reminds me of a question I asked years ago, what percentage of Humanity are Mutants? Like I think one story said in about 20 years Mutants will outnumber Humanity. So what is it, 1 in 50? 1 in a 1000?
@ according to house of x the highest number they reached was 17,508,236, this was at some points in the 2000s so let’s say it was 2005 and back then we were 6,586,970,132 (assuming that their universe has same population numbers as us), they would equal 0.27% of our population (they keep getting gen*cided so this number kinda means nothing)
@@NoOne-lc8qj I also assume the number can get tricky since a lot of superpowerd people are just assumed to be Mutants. Spider-Man has been accused of being a Mutant a few times and Deadpool at least pretends he's one. Franklin Richards changed his DNA to match theirs, but he wasn't one originally.
Every mutant working in the towers just so happened to call in sick the day of the attack
Your comment reminds me of how around the same time Grant Morrison was working on X-Men and he had two giant Sentinels devastate the island of Genosha which was full of sixteen million mutants at the time.
im a firm believer this entire video was an excuse to post as many 9/11 memes as possible
This is why incorporating too much from the real world in superhero comics doesn’t make sense. DC generally avoids this, but Marvel tries to have its stories fit in our world.
I mean does it have to make sense?
@kwayneboy1524 he means that if something like say a massive flood ravages the state of Florida and all we have is first responders while marvel has literal gods and monsters that can make short work of said flood, why have the heroes stand around when they could have prevented the flooding in the first place
@@kiwilord9628because it was their day off
@@kiwilord9628 There's also the trope, "why doesn't Reed Richards cure cancer?" It's another head-scratcher that comes up when you have superhero comics taking place in the "real world". Even in the MCU we see Tony Stark invent limitless clean energy and figure out time travel in a single night, but the world still has mundane problems like cancer, even though the technology and magic that these characters have access to should be able to solve most real world problems.
@@jayb8934This is why having modern day problems in comics has never really made much sense.
I remember the infamous image of Jon Kent protesting climate change acting like he doesnt live in a world filled with people with ice powers or those who could straight up reality warp away pollution or push the sun away by a centimeter or something.
Gun control? Bruh why is a superhero complaining about people having guns for self defense in worlds where things like Doomsday and Ultron exist? What about random mutant #253 who can just randomly awaken his powers one day and melt a whole town unintentionally? This doesn't even go into the problem of what would humanity do if a supe went rogue? There's a lot more problems than joe schmoe thinking his has 2nd amendment rights.
Then there's the ones that try to tackle religious discrimination, in a world where Hercules, Thor, Odin and Ares can all pop up to fight other ancient mythological deities in downtown New York or the freaking Devil himself can be walking around town. If anything that would lead to a religious crisis rather than discrimination.
The 9/11 issue is great tribute( the supervillains crying makes no real sense though)but you really have to suspend your disbelief for it to work which is a problem when you want to add relevant topics or real world events into your fictional story without creating holes in your stories world building.
yeah you pretty much have to believe that nobody dies during the New York events where it seems like everyone in New York dies
"Jarvis, has the second tower been hit?"
“Right on schedule, sir.”
@@masquerabe6692 that implies that Stark was in on it lmao
Naaah
Imagine JJJ accidentally blaming spiderman for it before the plane actually hits
"SPIDERMAN IS A MEN- **cut off to the news reporting 9/11**"
They shouldve made tony stark fly around the building with his high tech sensors realizing that temperature hasn't exceeded 300f
Instead of helping? Lmao
@daniiii888 you don't understand
Jet fuel can’t melt steel beams 😭
@@ajdndbdjbdj I do, it’s just priorities
@@xxcridonxx7614 it doesn't have to it just needs to weaken the steel. (Heating metal will weaken it)
We really got 9/11 marvel comics before GTA III
Bro this was 22 years ago, before gta san andreas even releases
@@MagniThorsonthat's why he said gta 3 instead of 6.
@@akechigoro3340 when did I say that it's 6?
@@MagniThorson GTA San Andreas released after GTA 3 though, that's why he said before GTA 3
@@CoffeeRobin-cs1nf wait, it is?
To me the only thing that was weird about it. Was that Doctor Doom cried. I mean why on earth would Doom ever care about something like 9/11.
Also I'd say having 9/11 happen in the dc universe makes no sense at all. Your saying Superman wouldn't have been aware and couldn't have done anything.
Doctor Doom almost blew up HIS OWN COUNTRY just to kill 4 dudes, and he's gonna care about american civilian casualties?
He is still human in the end, even being Doom. Not to mention he himself runs a country. It doesn’t make the most sense but this comic isn’t really about what makes sense for the Marvel universe, rather addressing the tragedy which occurred
Doom was crying because he was beaten to the punch
Doom cried because it wasn't the Baxter building.
@@sopebarrofficial3557Nah man, the excuses you gave just don't work. He's a human who doesn't care, and have been shown to not care dozens of times, like the video suggests. He doesn't even care when it is in Latveria. They should just have kept him away for this one. Magneto kinda works, he's a bit more sympathetic, but Doom? It's like drawing bin laden crying. He would have done it himself and on a much larger scale, like he already did multiple times.
Selfish of Magneto being on Ground Zero, and not helping the first responders by using his powers to clear the rubble. There could have been mutants trapped!
And, I've heard that Juggernaut has knocked down one of the towers in a comic, don't know which one.
Mr President, the Juggernaut just hit the second tower
Bro that sounds like anti mutant propaganda
Even though juggernaut isnt a mutant
@@valletas In Marvel-616, does it even matter if he's mutant or not? He going to be labeled a mutant anyways.
Didn't he like lift up entire submarine with his power?
@@realdragon Higher. He can literally control the gravitational field of the Earth's magnetic poles. Magneto can lift the Earth
Hell it's not even the first time that the twin towers had been destroyed in the Marvel universe. There was this giant pharaoh who wrecked them once
you know how when a wrestler dies in WWE or some tragic event happens they have all the wrestlers standing together paying their respect before the show begins? this what these comics felt like. It made the conflict between the heroes and villains look like kayfabe. It isn't real, nobody is really harmed or dead, it was all just a show.
Actually a pretty good point. Never thought about it like that. Your point is actually made stronger by the writers making Dr. Doom cry.
i like the Boys version of 9/11 rememberance where Homelander and the 7 prevented the twin towers from being destroyed
and still made it much worse.
Well not worse but still bad. They destroyed the Brooklyn Bridge and failed to save the plane but the death toll was reduced.
We could say that all the heroes tried to stop the planes but the TVA warned them that it was a cannon event and they had to let it pass.
the villains crying? let's just say they weren't real villains, they were actors who were there dancing and taking photos with the tourists for money.
I really hate the canon event thing
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp"Miles, I have to sleep with your mother."
"What the f- why?!"
"It's a canon event, bro."
"There's no way in hell that's a canon event."
"Where do you think your Latino heritage comes from, Miles?"
Even at the time of this comic the TVA were basically literally who’s and wasn’t until the MCU changed them and the mainstream found out about them
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7:00 finally asking the real questions the Avengers don't want you to know
Everyone is talking about Doom but the Juggernaut literally tried to take down the towers already lol
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So are you telling me that the planes passed through countless defense systems, Stark Tower and The Baxter Building, at least ONE Shield Helicarrier, and multiple heros on patrol???
Hell nah man its a inside job.
Doom is crying because Stark gets more military contracts now
I'm surprised it took everyone so long to talk about his ridiculous this story is... or maybe, it was so ridiculous that nobody even cared to talk about it.
The comic was to help kids cope with the tragedy
It was meant to help deal with the current situation mate and honestly does anybody really care if it's not accurate to their world?
It doesn't have to make sense
Remember getting this at bargain store warehouse. Dr Doom crying was peak comedy for me. Truly a piece of comic history
"What? Were the towers full of mutants?" is killing me rn
It’s a cannon event dr strange informed them that they couldn’t change it or it will erase there entire reality
This is a great example of why writer should just not touch these topics like bruh wdym 9/11 is canon event and im sorry but who even cares about 9/11 that much in the marvel universe they deal with this stuff daily also the fact that there are still terrorism is a sign of failure in superheroes more than anything like supervillians are just evil people but terroirst habe actual reasons to do what they do
I think what makes it worse is that Marvel also has it's own answer to 9/11
Civil War with the New Warriors Incident. It even has it's own version of the Patriot Act.
Like with Civil War, Marvel essentially has 2 9/11s..
Because of the Sups, they wouldn't even CONSIDER hitting the planes on NY....
Bro did you literally watch any marvel movie, read any marvel comic, or watch any marvel show, like at all? Normal people were trying to fight the hulk, normal people were trying to fight captain america, normal people were trying to fight spiderman, they don't care if they're supes, they will try to fight them
@VegetaandGoku_Gaming you are talking about marvel normal people. Not real normal people. That's the point of the fucking video. Bringing a real event to the marvel world doesn't work. If there were Sups in the real world USA would be an unstoppable empire and rule the entire planet.
@@VegetaandGoku_Gamingthey got the Middle East blasted in our universe I can’t even imagine how bad it would have been in marvel
7:22 what video did that come from?
Music video for Party in the CIA, by Weird Al Yankovic!
@@ravsucksI knew that was it lol it's been so long since I've seen it
Doom: ¿Quien hizo e'ta diablura?
"Quién hizo esta diablura?"
-Dr Doom
5:21 Thoroughly unrelated to the video overall, but one of the best parts about Marvel's Spider-Man 2 is how goddamned BRUTAL the combat is. Like Kraven *definitely* lost a henchman there, whether she survived that crushed windpipe or not.
Dr. Strange could’ve literally just turned back time to prevent it, right?
he doesnt do that in the comics, but yes he has a lot of other powers to prevent or repair the thing. I mean, Magneto was there, and he just saw a building made of metal falls...
Or Doom?
A lot of characters could have.
I’m sure all of these villains have done 10x worse
Make that about 3000x, some of these mfs have destroyed the universe before yet they’re weeping over this
And given the number of villains, would collapsing 2 towers be just another Thursday? Like destruction happens so often this wouldn't be anything new or shocking
It can be argued that it was a lot more shocking to them for regular humans to have done it using hijacked airliners rather than some intergalactic threat or supervillain
@@doodledangernoodle2517 That's fair
@@doodledangernoodle2517ww1 and ww2 I’m pretty sure have canonically happened in the marvel universe so I don’t see how 9/11 would be seen as extremely different considering how messed up humanity got during ww2
In my opinion, the writers employed this technique to demonstrate that not all heroes originate from comic books. They paid tribute to those who valiantly fought but ultimately did not return. While I understand your point that they possessed the ability to prevent the towers from collapsing, their failure to do so remains an enigma. However, this could have been a deliberate choice by the writers to express their profound grief while simultaneously uplifting the individuals and city affected by this tragic event.
100%. Treating it like an incontinuity story is a bit silly imo. It's meta commentary for the real life people who were affected
I love how this is a mix of using comic logic on real-world events. It doesn't make sense in the comics they managed to carry out both plane attacks successfully on the Towers, but at the same time, it would have been insane for it to play out differently in the comics. I think they would have gotten a crazy amount of backlash if they were just like, "Well, Spider-Man stepped in and stopped the second plane." or "The F4 stopped the whole thing from happening at all." while the world was still dealing with the actual reality of it.
The fact that dr doom legit says "what kind of monster would do such a thing?"
Or something along those lines and cries is so out of character if anything he's be mad he didn't think of doing it first 💀
Yeah, as other people have pointed out the only one that would really make sense to be devastated is Kingpin. I’m trying to get maybe Magneto being empathetic, but I honestly can’t see that either as he would probably just view it as another example of humans being fucked up to further justify his crusade.
One thing I do think makes sense is the fact that Kingpin was upset. At least he’s ground level enough.
1:33 Eye of agamotto = orb of pondering
Lmao
Doom's internal thoughts: "Fuck. Why didn't they target the Baxter Building?"
As a Muslim i know the impacts of 9/11 so I can relate the aftermath
And goddamn you have an obvious point and the whole time i was like yes like what is going on 😂
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That one point about superheroes being largely restricted to serving under a very specific umbrella of heroism for the sake of maintaining the status quo has always been a rather curious observation to me. It's something that I'd be genuinely interested in seeing explored and deconstructed further within the genre in the near future. Seeing superheroes be allowed to explore and apply their unique abilities to issues lying outside the usual ballpark offered to them by the "powers-that-be" has potential for some really interesting discussions.
Exactly like there no storylines of hero's trying to take down capitalism or change healthcare it's always the hero's fighting outside sources instead of real rooted evil in our society
These are the things that small channels come up with, really cool to see
Magneto could have held the Twin Towers up all by himself.
Didnt spiderman literally stop an airplane once
In short: half the fucking good guys' resources were at NY or nearby and yet they let the plane pass
Spit those facts futo
The Doom tear was just too much
While it doesn't make sense with in the narrative of a comic book world full of superheroes for a terrorist attack of this magnitud to happen, unless there was a conspiracy just as massive, that wasn't the point of this issue of The Amazing Spider-Man, it was meant to send a message it was Marvel's way to talk to their readers and let them know "there are real heroes doing all they can and we will move on from this, we can still live on", they even used 9/11 other times, like in Spider-Man Life Story, Peter ages with the pass of time like any normal person would, and he is an old man when 9/11 happens and actually stop being Spider-Man for years at that point, but he put on a makeshift mask and help getting people out the rubble; Also it needed to be acknowlaged by Marvel in some way, the artist and writters could just keep using the twin towers like nothing happen (in the real that is), this is why DC has an advanted with places that don't like Metropolis and Gotham, they can do what ever they want, I mean Marvel can too, but they have to stick to real world events and DC doesn't; so the 9/11 in Marvel was necessary to acknowlage, I don't if DC did something similar though.
Doom showing up and crying made my eyes roll so bad they almost got out of my skull LMAO.
Reminded of a comic Ex Machina where the main character is able to stop the second tower falling but has angst for “missing the first plane”. It was a nice compromise
Professor X meets with President Bush to discuss forward action
“He did it”
cyclops doesn't have heat vision actually, it's just pure kinetic energy
Ok, ok, ok, I thought everything was kinda dumb but SCARLET WITCH WAS THERE!? She lifts up buildings! How the hell can she not a hold an airplane in place!?
Doom is crying because he's wondering why he didnt think of it first.
I will say Magneto flooding the world was Ultimate, where he was much more of a weird asshole. Still not wrong though
@@Lozzu yeah, it was cheap of me to fall back on ultimatum, but i was drawing a blank on examples from 616
But magneto is still wrong tho... In both universes
2:18 By the way, this is one of his best stories. It was the first comic book of spider e read, and even youg me was impressed by the quality of this. Very inspiring and emotional
"aliens paying a visit" has a real TFS vegeta "I'm going to go pay him a beating" vibe to it in this context
It gets funnier because I think in one of the trailers for the first Raimi Spider-Man movie, it shows two planes being caught in a giant web between the towers so yes, Spider-Man could've stopped it but, he didn't
It would have made more "sense" if it was during when Onslaught wrecked, and a good chunk of heroes were saved away in Franklin's pocket dimension...
When discussed 9/11, one thing that doesn't work for me is the Marvel Universe "sliding timeline," especially when it comes to the 616 timeline.
Peter Parker has been Spider-Man for around 15 - 20 years. As of writing this comment, 9/11 happened 23 years ago, so Spider-Man wouldn't have been involved with the tragedy simply because how time works.
Yeah, it’s weird, although during the run of Spider-Man where 9/11 happened, he was probably around 25. He just got a job as a high school teacher.
I think one important difference between 9/11 and many marvel events is that it didn't involve anything superhuman. 9/11 was strictly a case of ordinary people using ordinary objects to cause a calamity. Still though, it is odd in the overall Marvel context
Spider-Man: Can jump kilometers in few seconds
Iron Man: Supersonic Flight
Quicksilver: Speedester
The towers: Nah, I'll fall.
I know you’re joking at the end, but Cyclops doesn’t have heat vision. His optic blasts generate a concussive force.
I read this comic when I was like 4, it's how I first learned about 9/11
Spidey couldve just webbed the the planes and pulled em in another direction.
He's strong enough to slightly move a plane
Come on man. They were just asleep it wasn’t even 9am 🤦🤦
Out of Doom, Magneto, and Kingpin, only Kingpin makes sense. He’s sometimes been characterized to care about New York and it’s people (although, I wouldn’t say it’s consistent, but I like the idea so I’m gonna pretend it is). So, I could see him helping, but definitely not Doom or Magneto.
They knew it was a canon event so they couldn’t stop it
To be honest on a world like marvel 9/11 would be prevented of ever happened, on the other hand the stanford incident works better as marvel's 9/11, and in mcu's case the battle of new york.
On the comics of the boys it's pretty well done how 9/11 is an important plot point by homelander's fault when he left everyone died the washigton bridge ended up destroyed instead
Doom is mad cause he was gonna do the same thing to kill reed richards the next day
I can see Magneto being upset about it, as a holocaust survivor I don't think he likes any mass casualty event. As for trying to kill the population, that Magneto is super inconsistent. Magneto in the 60's would kill all humans, but post trial of Magneto, he vows not to kill humans anymore. Then, in the 90's when Moira McTaggart tries to wipe his memory, he freaks out and becomes evil again, but then becomes good again right after. In Morrison's New X-Men, Magneto also tries to destroy the human race, but that wasn't actually Magneto, it was Xorn disguised as Magneto. When he was back in the 2010's he was a good guy again, almost always on the x-men in some capactity. In the most recent Krakoa era, Magneto AGAIN vows to "kill no man"
TLDR: Magneto does not support mass killings, he fought during AXE: JUDGMENT DAY to save the population of the planet. Currently, he is STILL on the X-Men.
Edit: I also forgot to mention that as a jewish person and a mutant, he is adamantly against racism, which is unfortunately the lasting legacy of the war on terror, Magneto would fight for anyone being marginalized and attacked.
2:48 What actually happened:
Doom: Tf did I not think of that
They were busy doing some space and robot shit. There. Mystery solved.