@@Martin-pv4vb The "I can't take it anymore clip" and the widow maker clip were both reused almost immediately. I can't believe you can say shit like this with such conviction while being objectively blind and deaf.
@@VALTRY3K I disagree, NyXL is a very carefull Team with the most aggresive Flex Support in the league. I can show you countless examples where Jjonak just dies becauce of this lo they lose the fight
@@nick-playercharacter8583 I mean it's not, even if brig was banned it would still be a first person moba. People just didn't know how to play the game back then lol
@oofmydude u highly disagree considering that the rank of T500/gm has degraded over the seasons a lot of good players left since the early seasons. Also considering he could roll the top tier in OWL. And if your saying OWL players don’t know how to play the game that’s a little concerning
@@jubbyj5054 what?? Players who used to be the best left and new players took their place, that doesn't mean that there are no good players left. The general skill level of the game has gone wayyy up and the game knowledge of pros and coaches is also way higher than it used to be
The worst thing is that this season hit scan was dominating and Pine could be even better than first season. He announced that he wants to play in owl/contenders and we might see the return of the big boss.
Only real issue is that Pine was good, but super inconsistent. Even in Season 1, he was kind of notorious for having some really insane games followed by one or two really mediocre ones. With the talent creep in OWL growing constantly, I doubt that inconsistency will be tolerated by any team that really wants to push for success.
@@blazefactor6849 If we are to believe that he had depression etc. (there's no reason not to) then we have no baseline for what level of consistency he should've had back then or what it is about to be now, because we know for sure that being down will make you have extraordinarily bad games regardless of how good you are. Sure it's a must for the best of the best to polish their play for consistency, but having up and down performances while under legitimate mental health issues isn't proper evidence of inconsistency, so we'll just have to wait for his reappearance.
@@d4s0n282 Mainly that due to the influx of players from contenders, young and extremely talented players continue to make up more and more of the League. Since Season 1, the skill gap between the bottom of the League and the top has shrunk substantially, so there will be more really good players to compete with each other for the spot. Pine played during a time where Libero was considered the best flex dps in the League, and Nus was considered a top-tier main support. With players like ANS, Diem, and other crazy hitscans making a name for themselves, it's going to be a lot harder for Pine to put himself in position to be one of the best. (This is also why players like OGE are struggling to find much success, they're improving, but the level of average skill in OWL is accelerating faster than they can improve, causing them to appear weaker and weaker as players. They're not necessarily getting worse, but the skill in OWL is accelerating much faster.)
@@Ghoul.Localization The problem is that all the top names and the stars are already gone. Some stayed faithful, but they fumbled the growth so hard I'm not sure Overwatch can ever recover the traction it had.
@@vedpatil2353 right now for me the only team worth watching and the only one I actually like are the San Fransisco Shock. They're dominant and still have big names that are fun to watch, aside from that the rest of the league is kinda boring
Balance in Overwatch has always seemed like a conundrum to me. Both in pro play and in ranked. I feel like very often, teams and players will be too stubborn to try something new and quickly accept a meta, especially in solo queue. An example of this in pro play was how Chengdu Hunters constantly stuck to their triple dps comp against goats and people laughed at them for it, when eventually it was accepted as a counter to the goats comp. It's just a matter of playing different comps and making them work rather than a set meta you always have to play. I'm kind of disappointed that this video didn't mention this example because it's a big talking point about meta perception in Overwatch and highlights how balance involves both the developers and the community who play the game.
Dallas fuel would like to talk! THE BIG BOSS IS BACK!!! *edit He fits Dallas fuel insanely well. They don’t play the Meta, they have their own style that is Perfect for him. He can just pick off the healers that usually stay in the background
I still doubt if he is going to perform well. he hasnt played pro overwatch in years and the thing he was good at was aiming not positioning or game sense. nowadays you have so many talented players with a great understanding of the game and incredible aim. I think its gonna be super hard for him but maybe Im wrong
Some characters would be thrown out the window in terms of balance, so Genji, Rein, Zen etc, characters who are already weak would be nerfed even harder because they rely heavily on their quick building strong ultimates to wins
@Sebastian Ramirez yeah but they fixed that, also goats forced people to actually learn positioning and teamwork which has made the game more interesting even after it has been gone for a year and a half
@Sebastian Ramirez I mean I guess so man but everyone else who stuck with the game for those couple of months has been treated to a better game because of it for the last year and a half. At a certain point you have to recognize that it was fixed and move on lmao. I'm glad goats happened because it forced people to actually learn the strategy of the game which has made all the other comps better and more interesting
@Sebastian Ramirez also most of the people who complained about it were just fans not actual players and sure players got tired of it but they also get tired of every comp that stays around for more than a month or so
I do agree, but go back and watch some of the old VODs... The teamfights and Ult usages were a mess compared to season 3. Pine and other aimers thrived in the chaos, but I doubt they would have the impact pine did because the teams are so much better.
@@theshontman exact same thing happene with wow. First expansion felt amazing and so crazy and when you look back at videos from these eras its just a pure mess. Novelty getting old creates nostalgia and its hell of a drug.
@@_timetravels4528 yep, people are like "season 1 OWL was so amazing!".... Or maybe season 3 was also very good, but we have watched 200 matches since then, so it's not as novel. I have watched Overwatch for 5 years.... Honestly some of the classic matches everyone raves about from early years... Is just 12 people running in circles and noone looking at the Genji as he gets a 5k...
they accidentally killed their own game. i wish that the excitement for overwatch could come back, but that doesn't seem like that could happen anytime soon.
either they drastically need to turn the game around and have people hype the game to make a comeback, or another game studio just needs to pickup where OW left off
kind of unfortunate this video came out when it did... seems like the filmed this in october before... - NYXL released their entire team except Jjonak - Double Shield came back into the meta but i guess we can still be optimistic
Double Shield is overrated rn. We're in a transition phase where people are playing the old meta because they're used to it. In pro play people have mostly ditched it and are running Ball Sigma instead.
overwatch didnt need a bunch of new characters that overcomplicated the game, new maps and careful addition of a higher skill ceiling would have been enough
True. I had to play mcree after a lot of stuff changed, especially when role queue came out. My sr changed a little but however, it wasn’t fun anymore. I went from 3300 to 3700sr just from playing mcree in about 2 seasons but I stop playing now. Been so long since I last played overwatch. My top 3 (rank) master pick is widow, mcree, and genji. I find them 3 very useful for me or pharah, and Ashe, they’re also deadly
watching this personally made me really sad. I remember overwatch being my only game I would ever play by choice and looking forward to watching every OWL match. Watching Pine was absolutely amazing especially being a NYXL fan. Unfortunate that everything kinda went downhill. RIP Overwatch
I assume you never played during season 1 or before comp mode. I remember people always spamming hi/hello and voice lines at spawn every single game and everyone seemed so friendly. The only time i've seen people get frustrated back then was when new players were getting owned by a bastion, because people doesn't know how to play against bastion yet
Ow has always been stressful but it was just less constant then it got messier and got to a point where a game or 2 could be enough to just turn it off
It's always been a moba lmao people just didn't know how to play back then pine wouldn't do very good against current teams even on the same patches from years ago
blizzard and the overwatch team reminds me of that dude that was showing a bunch of kids in middle school how to handle a firearm because he was "certified to handle a gun (he was a cop)" and then proceeds to shoot himself in the foot.
All the hype and excitement around Overwatch evaporated with Brigitte and GOATS, and it has never come back. Whoever designed that character should be fucking fired because they don't have a clue about what makes the game fun.
But when back in the day you were complaining about Brigitte to be wrecking the game, you were "salty", "uneducated" and "just stay away from lul" I didn't even play flanking dps and I was sick of her the 2nd day.
Season one was the most boring season because there are dps players and the league ONLY broadcasted dps players. They are soooooooo boring to watch. I’d rather play brig and play long team fights and focus on teamwork.
A lot of people act like Pine disappeared for some reason. He’s still there. He participated in the recent Korean Gauntlet Open Qualifiers. He teamed up with a former OWL player named Xepher and some other players to try to participate, but was knocked out in the ro16. He might not be OWL level anymore but he’s still playing the game.
When I heard that pine was going to be released from New York, I thought for certain that somebody else would pick him up so he can see his brilliance again. But that didn't happen.
Pine was a ghost story in the ladder of Overwatch. He was insane and he has an uncanny level of aim coordination. Its a Cinderella story for players like pine Defran and all that to show their talents and it is just as sad to see these players lose passion to play. Its like watching a once beautiful land of color and energy slowly fade in to a very tired and lethargic grey.
For a game that was supposed to be "the NFL of esports" When top tier DPS players get benched because there is a meta of triple tank triple support and boring 5 minute fights, there should have been an immediate sense of urgency to fix this game. This game was never treated like an esport the second brig was created.
And ? what's the point ?? Sorry but I don't understand if quit something because I can't do what I do usually why should I come back MONTHS LATER ? If I want to eat something specific today I will cook to eat it, I will not wait next day to do it it will not be the same. Blizzard blow on that flame inside of me because of that goat meta, now just playing QP and Arcade 2-4 hours per week, they can add tons of new hitscans I don't care. Just waiting OW2 and we will see if it's "a fresh air" for the game, we will see if they will keep a good rhythm for the balance of the game.
@@crownysuccubus1524 because before it was about DPS being DPS but Ashe was meta for the past months because her dynamite could damage and charge her ult without having to worry about having to break shields first. It had nothing to do with aim mechanics being back as you were forced to play either sheild break, mirror, or something that allowed you to take different angles that negated the double shields.
Hot take: the level of play for pros in OWL has gone up significantly, to the point that former players like Pine or even good players like sayaplayer (now retired to Valorant) got left behind by upcoming talent who is simply better. S2 was mostly goats, which had almost no chance for hitscans to perform, but most of S3 was double hitscan meta, especially on the last part of the season. Its simply that some players couldn't rise to the ever increasing top and now we get players like ANS who is both hyper-consistent with hitting his shots while also playing withing a highly structured team. Same can be said about profit on Seoul, who is someone that has actually kept with the rising standards.
I always thought that the fact you didn't need God level aim in ow to succeed was one of the best things about it. You can do just as good by having a big brain and it's one of the things that sets it apart from other fps games
I would usually agree, but the biggest drawback is that Blizzard is pushing it to be a competitive esport and being casual, thus alienating both. Though being for casual and being for competitive aren't mutually exclusive, there are a lot of elements on both of them that actually are. Extremely mobile Tanks, giant shields, and attacks requiring very little aim are OW's biggest problems (though there are a lot more) that are extremely catered to casuals that kind of ruin the experience for competitive play. Paladins actually kind of has a solution to this problem by having some sort of economy system in matches that allows you to buy some passives that can help in increasing damage dealt to shields, reducing healing effects against damaged enemies, and some other stuff. It's not necessarily completely balanced (because Hi-Rez), but the fact it exists has made the game's usual team composition more fluid and open to experimentation. Team Fortress 2 is usually what some of the older OWL pros would have preferred if only its competitive scene existed (I can't find the source anymore, but it was from Richard Lewis asking some pros). I think, if TF2 actually had an esport presence, then maybe OW could have focused more in its strengths (being a more casual game) than trying to cater to too many people, ending in catering no one.
@@DenyDenDenzel I completely agree. I was never saying a ow is a perfect game, I just thought that aim not being as important as other fps game isnt necessary only a bad thing. The main problem with the game is trying to make it both a very casual and very competitive game which just makes the game worse for both types of player
They bragged it to be the NFL of eSports and turned out OWL just crashed into obscurity. Too slow with changes. New heroes come only in 6 or 7 months. Still can't balance some heroes. Recycled events. OW2 still no news about it.
The irony of it is that GOATS and DOUBLESHIELD were community answers to shutting down the oppressiveness of hitscan heroes. It not only shut down the heroes themselves, but shut down people's interest in playing the game. (not blaming goats or doubleshield on hitscan heroes- that's on AOE sustain being too strong, and broken characters and abilities like COUGH COUGH immortality field COUGH COUGH and brig's entire kit, but it was a way of countering oppressive snipers)
@@gotchaboi5871 probably just kids saying shit to sound like they know something, semmler cast csgo if im not wrong but what he said was within context and digestable
@@gotchaboi5871 nothing he said in the video was wrong but as a caster he was terrible for overwatch. He was an amazing caster in CS but it didn't translate into OWL. He had a surface level understanding of the game and his casting style, while great for games like CS, didn't suit OW. Everyone in the community acknowledged that he was the worst caster in owl. Because of his success in the CS they threw a bunch of money at him to cast in OWL while having little to no experience casting it. At least people like monte and doa spent a year in korea casting OW and adapted the game while semmler never really adapted and everyone in the community acknowledges he was a shit caster for OW.
Hey the score esports, you should do a video on Halo on the Ogres. Two twins that were the best of all time. It was basically one of the first esports and pretty interesting.
@@vedpatil2353 "being pinned down" - realistically, if youre good at the game, that doesnt happen. you go from cover to cover, you use shields, you strafe, there are any number of ways to counter it. a good widow may still kill you, but thats expected if its pine or whatever. the point is that she takes skill to use anyway. a silver probably wont do jack shit on her, while pine will probably destroy pro lobbies with 50 health and one shot before he has to reload.
So are you also gonna talk about how Season 3 had some of the best moments of all of OWL, we had sniper metas, we had genji meta, we had soldier tracer meta, we had double shield, we had monkey zarya, this has been the best season of OWL yet if you actually know how the game works. But no, you just wanna cash in on, "Oh, OWL is bad and Overwatch is dead."
I feel like theScore doesn't have anyone actually watching OWL/playing based on the videos they do tbh its some hits on big ideas with also misses everywhere...
Ok that's enough. Imagine how much more pressure Pine gets now for his return and his performance if he does after watching this video. The reasons for him quitting are the problems your presenting him right now.
For me and I think a lot of other players the problem was not perse with goats. It was how long it lasted, pretty much a year long! If goats would have been meta for a month or two, I think people would have complained less about it. Same with double shield afterwards, that too lasted ages... Importantly before the season 2 of the OWL started, goats had been meta in tier 2 and world cup for months already, blizzard could have easily seen this coming and done something against it, but they didnt
You should have included that in season 3 those aim based heroes like McCree, Ashe, Widow, Tracer were all meta at some point during the season, kind of left that out of the video for narrative purposes I guess :p
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Someone tell the editor over there that it's a bad idea to re-use the whole suite of intro clips two minutes later
@@Martin-pv4vb The "I can't take it anymore clip" and the widow maker clip were both reused almost immediately. I can't believe you can say shit like this with such conviction while being objectively blind and deaf.
@@Martin-pv4vb unlucky
@@Martin-pv4vb good on you man, I fuckin love when people are able to admit mistakes, we’re all human... at least most of us anyway :P
I mean they do this all the time
Welcome to the channel
*plays olofboost*
"He's the face of NYXL"
*BREAKING NEWS NYXL gets rid of everyone except jjonak*
Ya was about to say that too
But thats a good decision
Id say the core team was gr8 the problem was coaching. And in game decision
wait frl?!
@@VALTRY3K I disagree, NyXL is a very carefull Team with the most aggresive Flex Support in the league. I can show you countless examples where Jjonak just dies becauce of this lo they lose the fight
Basically what Pine said about his rise to fame was "I thought killing a lot of people on the frontline was cool, so I did it"
Yeah but in videogames that is more prevalent then in not video games so
Then Brig was like "lol u thought this was an fps."
@@nick-playercharacter8583 I mean it's not, even if brig was banned it would still be a first person moba. People just didn't know how to play the game back then lol
@oofmydude u highly disagree considering that the rank of T500/gm has degraded over the seasons a lot of good players left since the early seasons. Also considering he could roll the top tier in OWL. And if your saying OWL players don’t know how to play the game that’s a little concerning
@@jubbyj5054 what?? Players who used to be the best left and new players took their place, that doesn't mean that there are no good players left. The general skill level of the game has gone wayyy up and the game knowledge of pros and coaches is also way higher than it used to be
I haven’t played this game in 2 years but I still remember “HE GETS THE DEADEYE! I CANT EVEN FINISH MY SENTENCE” like it was yesterday
wait the voiceline continues after "its high nooUAGH" ?
same, good time
The worst thing is that this season hit scan was dominating and Pine could be even better than first season. He announced that he wants to play in owl/contenders and we might see the return of the big boss.
Only real issue is that Pine was good, but super inconsistent. Even in Season 1, he was kind of notorious for having some really insane games followed by one or two really mediocre ones. With the talent creep in OWL growing constantly, I doubt that inconsistency will be tolerated by any team that really wants to push for success.
@@blazefactor6849
If we are to believe that he had depression etc. (there's no reason not to) then we have no baseline for what level of consistency he should've had back then or what it is about to be now, because we know for sure that being down will make you have extraordinarily bad games regardless of how good you are.
Sure it's a must for the best of the best to polish their play for consistency, but having up and down performances while under legitimate mental health issues isn't proper evidence of inconsistency, so we'll just have to wait for his reappearance.
@@blazefactor6849 wtd do you mean by talent creep? you mean people literally just getting better at a game overtime?
@@d4s0n282 Mainly that due to the influx of players from contenders, young and extremely talented players continue to make up more and more of the League. Since Season 1, the skill gap between the bottom of the League and the top has shrunk substantially, so there will be more really good players to compete with each other for the spot. Pine played during a time where Libero was considered the best flex dps in the League, and Nus was considered a top-tier main support. With players like ANS, Diem, and other crazy hitscans making a name for themselves, it's going to be a lot harder for Pine to put himself in position to be one of the best.
(This is also why players like OGE are struggling to find much success, they're improving, but the level of average skill in OWL is accelerating faster than they can improve, causing them to appear weaker and weaker as players. They're not necessarily getting worse, but the skill in OWL is accelerating much faster.)
@@blazefactor6849 totally agreee, same thing is happening with jjonak
Who is here after Dallas Fuel picked Pine up?
Burn blue baby!
Me
This video lost some of its relevancy now that mccree got buffed into top tier city and pine is back
Hitscans are back. Pine is back.
Also ans 😶
I had the privilege to witness Dafran and his torb hammer in the OWL
I got to meet him, he is a pretty cool person
Man that was funny, what Owl lacks most now is charisma.
I'm sad I only got into OWL recently. I never got to witness the big boss in action.
I think he’s coming out of retirement
Watching Pine was an event. He was a specialized player and they didn't bring him out that much early on
Is Overwatch still doing good? I heard the esports and game is dying but 99% of the time I hear an game is dead they just overexaggerating
@@KidTrigger I enjoy it a lot, but it mostly does well in the east. Last OWL finals was the most viewed OW match ever.
@@KidTrigger It's fun to play still. Still has 10m active players a month so it's definitely far from dead.
they really got sponsered by GEICO thats a first for me congrats
hm??
@@Triantalex what
@@Ottstop hm??
Bruh watch the vid and stop commenting
This is their 2nd time
Man I remember owl season 1, that shit was hype ngl
XQC and Muma drama was spicyyyyy hahaha
@@7550Raul The dreamkazper drama oh no no no
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@@leonid3909 dont forget the eqo drama
Waiting for a video on the not so reformed aim god dafran. Who is now a farmer
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🧀
Burger flipper.
yes.
Did you see his stream today? 😂
lets farm my dudes
Season 1 OWL was something else, OWL hasn't really been the same since and now watching old clips again makes me so nostalgic its honestly amazing
same, I miss it so much
OWL is better than s1 rn
Season 3 OWL was probably OWL at its peak.
@@Ghoul.Localization The problem is that all the top names and the stars are already gone. Some stayed faithful, but they fumbled the growth so hard I'm not sure Overwatch can ever recover the traction it had.
@@vedpatil2353 right now for me the only team worth watching and the only one I actually like are the San Fransisco Shock. They're dominant and still have big names that are fun to watch, aside from that the rest of the league is kinda boring
saw this happen first hand to my fellow Grandmaster friends and it was sad to watch all my friends slowly quit the game
Played for yeaaaars ever since launch, I got burned out a month after eco came out idk why but the game doesn't feel as good
it's weird that this video gets in my recommended after Pine return to the OWL
Pine being the thumbnail has a chance to age like milk. HE'S. BACK.
BIG BOSS PINE IS BACK
Finally after what seemed like 13 years... An overwatch video. I may be one of the only 28 people still playing the game but I enjoy it.
Balance in Overwatch has always seemed like a conundrum to me. Both in pro play and in ranked. I feel like very often, teams and players will be too stubborn to try something new and quickly accept a meta, especially in solo queue.
An example of this in pro play was how Chengdu Hunters constantly stuck to their triple dps comp against goats and people laughed at them for it, when eventually it was accepted as a counter to the goats comp. It's just a matter of playing different comps and making them work rather than a set meta you always have to play.
I'm kind of disappointed that this video didn't mention this example because it's a big talking point about meta perception in Overwatch and highlights how balance involves both the developers and the community who play the game.
Dallas fuel would like to talk!
THE BIG BOSS IS BACK!!!
*edit
He fits Dallas fuel insanely well. They don’t play the Meta, they have their own style that is Perfect for him.
He can just pick off the healers that usually stay in the background
I still doubt if he is going to perform well. he hasnt played pro overwatch in years and the thing he was good at was aiming not positioning or game sense. nowadays you have so many talented players with a great understanding of the game and incredible aim. I think its gonna be super hard for him but maybe Im wrong
so i got this recommended after i saw the video on Pine's return to OWL
I think ultimates should be nerfed across the board, which would make people actually use their characters to make plays, instead of their ultimates.
Some characters would be thrown out the window in terms of balance, so Genji, Rein, Zen etc, characters who are already weak would be nerfed even harder because they rely heavily on their quick building strong ultimates to wins
@@Aureus282 really shows how bland overwatch heroes are.
Thankfully Pine is looking for a team again in OWL, so hopefully we'll see the return of the Big Boss
@yes yup, he posted an LFT on his Twitter about 2 months ago. Time to see if anyone picks him up
Wait, Overwatch is still not dead ?
@yes Season 3 just ended and season 4 is confirmed, but yeah it's not dead.
@@TheBlackfall234 It's probably in the best state its been in for 6 months now. You can play basically anything. ITs imazing,
@@bujurocks8188 no i cant, because if i want to play dps i have to wait 20 minutes in the queue.
PINE IS BACK AND IS WITH FUEL
When he said he was sponsored by GEICO, I thought he was joking. I was wrong.
He’s back!
who is here after Pine signed with Dallas?
Oh boy oh boy oh boy I'm here right after I hear of his return oh boy oh boy oh boy
Pine has been such an inspiration for me that I cant explain. He is my true raw model dude...
Raw model
"What the hell do you people want?" lol As a casual player, I did not like playing nor watching the shield meta.
They take so long to make changes.
I'd say blizzard not making changes real quick with goats killed OWL
Meh, ow players complain about everything, from dive to goat all from different roles, probably because the meta doesn't change for so long.
@Sebastian Ramirez yeah but they fixed that, also goats forced people to actually learn positioning and teamwork which has made the game more interesting even after it has been gone for a year and a half
@Sebastian Ramirez I mean I guess so man but everyone else who stuck with the game for those couple of months has been treated to a better game because of it for the last year and a half. At a certain point you have to recognize that it was fixed and move on lmao. I'm glad goats happened because it forced people to actually learn the strategy of the game which has made all the other comps better and more interesting
@Sebastian Ramirez also most of the people who complained about it were just fans not actual players and sure players got tired of it but they also get tired of every comp that stays around for more than a month or so
0:37 🎶i get those goosebumps everytime🎶
He said "Yo once I beat this chemical imbalance in my brain it's all over you fools!"
I like how i get recommend this after dallas signs him
And now he‘s back!
Man season 1 of OWL was amazing
I do agree, but go back and watch some of the old VODs... The teamfights and Ult usages were a mess compared to season 3. Pine and other aimers thrived in the chaos, but I doubt they would have the impact pine did because the teams are so much better.
@@theshontman exact same thing happene with wow. First expansion felt amazing and so crazy and when you look back at videos from these eras its just a pure mess.
Novelty getting old creates nostalgia and its hell of a drug.
@@_timetravels4528 yep, people are like "season 1 OWL was so amazing!".... Or maybe season 3 was also very good, but we have watched 200 matches since then, so it's not as novel. I have watched Overwatch for 5 years.... Honestly some of the classic matches everyone raves about from early years... Is just 12 people running in circles and noone looking at the Genji as he gets a 5k...
@@theshontman pretty much.
"ow s1 was the best" because everyone was bad, not because meta was good.
they accidentally killed their own game. i wish that the excitement for overwatch could come back, but that doesn't seem like that could happen anytime soon.
They have a double problem to overcome. One with fucking the game up with Brigitte and one with fucking the company PR up overall
@@ceebee3083 brig is dead?
@@jessetheenderconchampion4559 Shes been hit by the nerf bomb thank god, not nearly as strong as she used to be
@@jessetheenderconchampion4559 shes definitely not dead lol her, zen and bap are the best supports in the game
either they drastically need to turn the game around and have people hype the game to make a comeback, or another game studio just needs to pickup where OW left off
Hey. I recognized Doa and Monte right away. Miss them casting LoL.
kind of unfortunate this video came out when it did... seems like the filmed this in october before...
- NYXL released their entire team except Jjonak
- Double Shield came back into the meta
but i guess we can still be optimistic
lmao exactly what I was thinking
Double shield is not the absolute meta. There are alot more of Ball sigma getting run in contenders and top500.
Double Shield is overrated rn. We're in a transition phase where people are playing the old meta because they're used to it. In pro play people have mostly ditched it and are running Ball Sigma instead.
As a massive Pine stan, I really hope my man can come back. Truly truly gifted aimer.
There are so many better hitscan rn, like Ans for example. Hitscan is the stronger role
I would love to see Pine migrate to Valorant, because with how that scene is growing I think the Big Boss could show his skill.
@@KatarHero72 just like spyder
Now that he's back, I can't wait to see what the living highlight reel can do
Pine was so gifted I miss him but I hope his mental health is doing so much better
shouldve mentioned that streaming OWL on youtube killed the game even more
Wow guys we have a new one here. Never heard that one before
@@infernaltotorow They hated jesus because he spoke the truth
true tho. they went from around 100k viewers during mid season to less than 20k
@@swamming Its 20k on UA-cam and 100k during the finals. It was 1.5m on all platforms because UA-cam didn't count in the Korean and Chinese viewers
@@luigiluigi4366 I knew those numbers were off but I didn't know by that much lmao
…and he just signed to Dallas fuel. The big boss is back!
pine's widow flank on junkertown was absolutely nuts
6:22 oh I envy you, 7 minutes is nothing compared to my 30 min dps qeues
Pine will forever be a god in Overwatch. What he could do on hitscan was absolutely insane. Period.
Still not best
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overwatch didnt need a bunch of new characters that overcomplicated the game, new maps and careful addition of a higher skill ceiling would have been enough
No matter he's back babyyyyy
True. I had to play mcree after a lot of stuff changed, especially when role queue came out. My sr changed a little but however, it wasn’t fun anymore. I went from 3300 to 3700sr just from playing mcree in about 2 seasons but I stop playing now. Been so long since I last played overwatch. My top 3 (rank) master pick is widow, mcree, and genji. I find them 3 very useful for me or pharah, and Ashe, they’re also deadly
The line from Geico I haven’t heard that cash frases in a long wild good to hear it again
watching this personally made me really sad. I remember overwatch being my only game I would ever play by choice and looking forward to watching every OWL match. Watching Pine was absolutely amazing especially being a NYXL fan. Unfortunate that everything kinda went downhill. RIP Overwatch
This didn't age well now that pine has joined OWL back with Dallas Fuel team.
Hero’s never die. Welcome back pine!!!
I remember the days when overwatch didn't make me want to smash my pc every time i played a game. Oh wait nevermind, that time never existed.
Too true 😂
I assume you never played during season 1 or before comp mode. I remember people always spamming hi/hello and voice lines at spawn every single game and everyone seemed so friendly.
The only time i've seen people get frustrated back then was when new players were getting owned by a bastion, because people doesn't know how to play against bastion yet
Ow has always been stressful but it was just less constant then it got messier and got to a point where a game or 2 could be enough to just turn it off
@@Josh_Maidenless I used to do this. Like season 4/5. Lol
Imo they made overwatch more MOBA than FPS.
its always been a hybrid
It's always been a moba lmao people just didn't know how to play back then pine wouldn't do very good against current teams even on the same patches from years ago
blizzard and the overwatch team reminds me of that dude that was showing a bunch of kids in middle school how to handle a firearm because he was "certified to handle a gun (he was a cop)" and then proceeds to shoot himself in the foot.
Geico as a sponsor is actually hilarious
All the hype and excitement around Overwatch evaporated with Brigitte and GOATS, and it has never come back. Whoever designed that character should be fucking fired because they don't have a clue about what makes the game fun.
But when back in the day you were complaining about Brigitte to be wrecking the game, you were "salty", "uneducated" and "just stay away from lul" I didn't even play flanking dps and I was sick of her the 2nd day.
I forgot this thing existed. Good times back in season one
Season one was the most boring season because there are dps players and the league ONLY broadcasted dps players. They are soooooooo boring to watch. I’d rather play brig and play long team fights and focus on teamwork.
@@tmxmOverwatch you forgot to say Kapp
Season 5 was fun with dive comps
@@nycepark ikr
@@joelkim3371 Yeha dive comp was good. My favorite meats were dive and the bits can Emma
A lot of people act like Pine disappeared for some reason. He’s still there. He participated in the recent Korean Gauntlet Open Qualifiers. He teamed up with a former OWL player named Xepher and some other players to try to participate, but was knocked out in the ro16. He might not be OWL level anymore but he’s still playing the game.
since he took a break, he needs time to get back to the pro level, and that takes a LOT of time
They went from goats to double sheild and they were wondering what the problem was lmao
Pine was so cool.
When I heard that pine was going to be released from New York, I thought for certain that somebody else would pick him up so he can see his brilliance again. But that didn't happen.
It did
@@xalted5207 I meant in season two or three.
Congratulations getting sponsored guys, theScore esports has come a long way!
The irony that pine is now back in the league 😂
I feel bad for uncle jeff, literally doesn't get what community wants but keeps getting hated on
ikr, the community doesnt know what they want but they want it fixed.
speaking of aim games why havent you guys ever covered the Arena Shooter Genre on this channel? Quake, Unreal Tournament ,Diabotical etc.
you know why.
@@nsmoonwalk414 no why?
Pine was a ghost story in the ladder of Overwatch. He was insane and he has an uncanny level of aim coordination.
Its a Cinderella story for players like pine Defran and all that to show their talents and it is just as sad to see these players lose passion to play. Its like watching a once beautiful land of color and energy slowly fade in to a very tired and lethargic grey.
That Pine clip on Junkertown B never gets old
I use to be in love with overwatch. But honestly overwatch lost me when changes kept happening. I hate it.
I mean it's a lot better since a lot of these changes
Also blizzard: takes months to get rid of goats
Basically 1 year + hahaha
Hey, big boss Pine is planning to come back to OWL. He just has to make it through contenders
For a game that was supposed to be "the NFL of esports" When top tier DPS players get benched because there is a meta of triple tank triple support and boring 5 minute fights, there should have been an immediate sense of urgency to fix this game.
This game was never treated like an esport the second brig was created.
you want to know the fall of overwatch aim gods
briggite 2x shield rien zarya dive comp goat comp game decline smurfs
But I mean Ashe has been meta for months at this point, sooooooo....
Ya but not for the same reasons season 1 hitscans were. It's never going to be as simple as that.
@@pottyputter05 What reasons were those? (Sincere question.)
And ? what's the point ?? Sorry but I don't understand if quit something because I can't do what I do usually why should I come back MONTHS LATER ?
If I want to eat something specific today I will cook to eat it, I will not wait next day to do it it will not be the same.
Blizzard blow on that flame inside of me because of that goat meta, now just playing QP and Arcade 2-4 hours per week, they can add tons of new hitscans I don't care.
Just waiting OW2 and we will see if it's "a fresh air" for the game, we will see if they will keep a good rhythm for the balance of the game.
She hasn't been meta for a decent bit now. She's definitely stayed quite good, but she hasn't been truly meta since double shield was still around.
@@crownysuccubus1524 because before it was about DPS being DPS but Ashe was meta for the past months because her dynamite could damage and charge her ult without having to worry about having to break shields first. It had nothing to do with aim mechanics being back as you were forced to play either sheild break, mirror, or something that allowed you to take different angles that negated the double shields.
I love that they made a overwatch video. I don't love that it is quite wrong. DOUBLE HIT SCAN WAS META. FOR HALF THIS YEAR
Hot take: the level of play for pros in OWL has gone up significantly, to the point that former players like Pine or even good players like sayaplayer (now retired to Valorant) got left behind by upcoming talent who is simply better. S2 was mostly goats, which had almost no chance for hitscans to perform, but most of S3 was double hitscan meta, especially on the last part of the season. Its simply that some players couldn't rise to the ever increasing top and now we get players like ANS who is both hyper-consistent with hitting his shots while also playing withing a highly structured team. Same can be said about profit on Seoul, who is someone that has actually kept with the rising standards.
I always thought that the fact you didn't need God level aim in ow to succeed was one of the best things about it. You can do just as good by having a big brain and it's one of the things that sets it apart from other fps games
I would usually agree, but the biggest drawback is that Blizzard is pushing it to be a competitive esport and being casual, thus alienating both. Though being for casual and being for competitive aren't mutually exclusive, there are a lot of elements on both of them that actually are. Extremely mobile Tanks, giant shields, and attacks requiring very little aim are OW's biggest problems (though there are a lot more) that are extremely catered to casuals that kind of ruin the experience for competitive play.
Paladins actually kind of has a solution to this problem by having some sort of economy system in matches that allows you to buy some passives that can help in increasing damage dealt to shields, reducing healing effects against damaged enemies, and some other stuff. It's not necessarily completely balanced (because Hi-Rez), but the fact it exists has made the game's usual team composition more fluid and open to experimentation.
Team Fortress 2 is usually what some of the older OWL pros would have preferred if only its competitive scene existed (I can't find the source anymore, but it was from Richard Lewis asking some pros). I think, if TF2 actually had an esport presence, then maybe OW could have focused more in its strengths (being a more casual game) than trying to cater to too many people, ending in catering no one.
@@DenyDenDenzel I completely agree. I was never saying a ow is a perfect game, I just thought that aim not being as important as other fps game isnt necessary only a bad thing. The main problem with the game is trying to make it both a very casual and very competitive game which just makes the game worse for both types of player
They bragged it to be the NFL of eSports and turned out OWL just crashed into obscurity.
Too slow with changes.
New heroes come only in 6 or 7 months.
Still can't balance some heroes.
Recycled events.
OW2 still no news about it.
Ehhh I still watch it every week this season was pretty good in my opinion
9:55 i love the mug btw
The irony of it is that GOATS and DOUBLESHIELD were community answers to shutting down the oppressiveness of hitscan heroes. It not only shut down the heroes themselves, but shut down people's interest in playing the game.
(not blaming goats or doubleshield on hitscan heroes- that's on AOE sustain being too strong, and broken characters and abilities like COUGH COUGH immortality field COUGH COUGH and brig's entire kit, but it was a way of countering oppressive snipers)
semmler is probably the worst caster to interview about overwatch, he's actually clueless
What did he say wrong in the interview tho
@@gotchaboi5871 reply cause I wanna know too
@@gotchaboi5871 probably just kids saying shit to sound like they know something, semmler cast csgo if im not wrong but what he said was within context and digestable
@@gotchaboi5871 nothing he said in the video was wrong but as a caster he was terrible for overwatch. He was an amazing caster in CS but it didn't translate into OWL. He had a surface level understanding of the game and his casting style, while great for games like CS, didn't suit OW. Everyone in the community acknowledged that he was the worst caster in owl. Because of his success in the CS they threw a bunch of money at him to cast in OWL while having little to no experience casting it. At least people like monte and doa spent a year in korea casting OW and adapted the game while semmler never really adapted and everyone in the community acknowledges he was a shit caster for OW.
Hey the score esports, you should do a video on Halo on the Ogres. Two twins that were the best of all time. It was basically one of the first esports and pretty interesting.
They did
Did them a long time ago
They already did.
Oh wow. Had no idea, thanks dudes.
Finally someone summarized that in very professional way. I hope Jeff's bosses can see that.
HE’S BACK BABY
And devs still nerf widow and hitscans because "oh nwo i cant pway awound covew, better newf"
Ah yes because being pinned down for 30 minutes straight in a game that exemplifies 3D movement is so fun to play
You need to have zero knowledge about overwatch to say stuff like this.
@@vedpatil2353 "being pinned down" - realistically, if youre good at the game, that doesnt happen. you go from cover to cover, you use shields, you strafe, there are any number of ways to counter it. a good widow may still kill you, but thats expected if its pine or whatever. the point is that she takes skill to use anyway. a silver probably wont do jack shit on her, while pine will probably destroy pro lobbies with 50 health and one shot before he has to reload.
@@arthurmuller3743 lol sure bud
@@vedpatil2353 They made shield meta for folks like you
So are you also gonna talk about how Season 3 had some of the best moments of all of OWL, we had sniper metas, we had genji meta, we had soldier tracer meta, we had double shield, we had monkey zarya, this has been the best season of OWL yet if you actually know how the game works. But no, you just wanna cash in on, "Oh, OWL is bad and Overwatch is dead."
At least the video ended on a more positive note. That's a step in the right direction for them.
Last sentence is pretty much 95% of OWL esports content that isn't from dedicated channels.
OWL is dead g apart from the fake chinese numbers
@@CuteWeeb Less popular than it used to be, not dead.
Nerve tanks remove role lock and add heroes that are made to kill tanks other than just reaper for example
Now 2021 came along he is on a new team and he's back.
7:16 I hated GoATS and double shields, but Jeff has a point😂
Not really. He just mentioned bad metas.
Dive was cool, you could play different heroes depending on the maps.
No he doesnt as they are the exact same thing, stacking one gameplay aspect till it breaks the game.
He really doesn’t, the fact they took so long to switch metas ruined the game.
I feel like theScore doesn't have anyone actually watching OWL/playing based on the videos they do tbh its some hits on big ideas with also misses everywhere...
Well well well ! Looks like big boss Pine came back one the scene !
Never seen a company kill their own export and do absolutely do nothing about it for over a year
Ok that's enough. Imagine how much more pressure Pine gets now for his return and his performance if he does after watching this video. The reasons for him quitting are the problems your presenting him right now.
You are seriously overestimating how much power a score esports video has, he will be fine
better title: the rise and fall of overwatches Esports scene
For me and I think a lot of other players the problem was not perse with goats. It was how long it lasted, pretty much a year long! If goats would have been meta for a month or two, I think people would have complained less about it. Same with double shield afterwards, that too lasted ages... Importantly before the season 2 of the OWL started, goats had been meta in tier 2 and world cup for months already, blizzard could have easily seen this coming and done something against it, but they didnt
i think an ult just "upgrading" a base ability is better than having it do something over the top
You should have included that in season 3 those aim based heroes like McCree, Ashe, Widow, Tracer were all meta at some point during the season, kind of left that out of the video for narrative purposes I guess :p
I was here when it said 47 seconds ago
Pine back on Dallas whoo!
Pine is back in baby