Revisiting your video just before balance patch (because my build is wrong justlike yours haha), and i gotta say i dont regret maining her this class is so beautifull yet so complex and it makes it so fun for me
Hey Atk first of all keep up the great work , Love your content. I wanted to ask what are the ideal stats of gunslinger should you go higher than 1040 Crit with salvation set ? I was thinking going with 1040 Crit and rest of the points all in spec. Thanks and appreciate all the content you do ^_^
im running 1300+800 salvation set and 18set light of salvation. I'm a little bit on the downside of crit. You will need to go for LWC i assume if u go as low as 1040 crit.
@@Crazning88 So what do you suggest for lets say the most optimal stats ? right now i am at 1090 crit with 450 Spec with 1 Earing , 1 Necklace and 1 Ring. I still have to buy a Earing and a ring what would you suggest ?
Great GS content ATK! My current main is a 7M GS with 4x3, x2 Adrenaline, x 1 PM. After the balance changes, is it worth dropping x2 Adrenaline for 5x3 with PM3?
I'm not super good at the game, but I think that I'm decent enough to say that his points are valid, though in the example of vykas, firstly, he uses deatheye and not gunslinger. Secondly, I don't think it's the way to play for gunslinger to try and use every DPS skill in a single cycle, even for TTH gs, it's still barely enough time, and the cool down on skills are high. IMO, and from what I watch from "named" (a youtuber) and other GS main streamer, they don't try to squeeze all the high dps skill in one go, but rather they used the one with longer animation/hard to aim first -> back to pistol to reset utility -> back to either rifle/shotgun and use the shorter animation/easier to aim such as target down, and perfect shot. In fact, in one of the guide that I watch when I first started (forgot his name, and the channel was in korean), he said that you don't really use your high stagger skill as GS unless all the other skills are on CD which happens often enough, the two stagger skill here are the shotgun counter, and the one with wide radius which I forgot the name as of this moment. I know ATK is like really famous for his knowledge in the community, but I don't think this video is a good example. I understand that TTH is easier to build, and does high damage, but again, this vid is not a good representation in my opinion for TTH vs PM gunslinger. For comparison, my GS alt is currently at 1445 ilv with 450 swift and 1430 crit, I can actually squeeze in the 4 major dps (2 from shotgun, and 2 from rifle) after using quick step for closing distance + atk speed, and debuff from hand gun stance in about 10s if not less. One thing that I would like to mention though is that I did get the atk speed buff from bard and her legion gear + runes, but regardless, I think it's absolutely do able in the vykas example that he uses. The one downside is that sometime you get confused and lost track of which stance you're on and end up stood still.
Or u just play 7M with salvation(to solve ur loss of attack speed because u dont build swiftness) and go ~1400 crit and 700 spec(might be smodge with LWC cards and overcrit but once u get 18 LoS it starts to feel like a perfect ratio for stats) that is with adrenaline 2 and class 1 it's gonna be around 70% crit with synergy. Also u dont use one of the slowest if not the slowest skill in the game (shotgun rapid fire)
@@kappa6997 his choice....for me personally when I saw a build that doesn't include that grandma skill there wasn't even a moment of doubt.....I just hate it so much
@@kappa6997 how dafuq can't I say that when it's referring to the specific build that im mentioning?typical taking things out of context in order to defend against something that didn't even exist
Thank goodness I've had Legendary TTH for a while now, this is going to send that book flying in price. 🤣 Edit: It's already 6k more than it used to cost in NAW. 😔
My slinger alt has 1400 crit and around 750 swift, running nightmare. It is not ideal but very fun to play with swift and I do not feel like I am doing that much less damage than crit spec builds. Could be wrong, could be terrible. But as the korean asmongold, zeals, said. If you want to be strong, just whale.
The spec build with salvation basically has (almost) the same atk spd with much higher dmg on rifle. The CDR from swiftness only matters if you have low CD gems or the boss allows for permanent dps. However, then you most likely run into the mana Regen state of nightmare and lose DPS there. In my parties boss usually phases when everything is on CD, so not much of a downtime anyways.
you get 10% att speed from salvation along with speed buff from supports, rage and galewinds and other buffs, crit / spec is really fast when things proc ^^ and u still got the massive dmg
You kept referring to TTH having execution damage on rifle skills, which is from PM.. so I’m assuming you’re meaning that standard TTH build goes PM 1 or 3
yes PM has the execution damage, and typically TTH builds will also use PM. however, sniper skills have innate execution damage so both need to take that into account anyway
the counter Last Request in shotgun stance requires lvl 7 to get the speed and distanceclosing to be viable. its too slow and a hassle to use in combat. and the extra skillpoints isnt worth it. why u see every1 runs it at lvl 1. the only times i might need it next to peacekeeper is on valtan if i need to assist on counters.
Reliable rifle critting with PM3 is much more important than spec and no crit on rifle with 50% HP boss. If you wanna be effective with low crit and high spec you lose DPS because you are rotating tracker and STILL many times your rifle doesn't crit. After 300h of training and 3.5k hours on my GS the build I enjoy most, pays most and mvps most on current patch is PM3 - 7M - Crit/Swift - Nightware Crit/Spec is boring to play, very punishing and just doesn't worth it to trade the fun of swift with slight damage which translates only on Trixion
I was thinking about swift/spec tth gunslinger focusing on swiftness, is that much worse than spec version that you didn't even mention it in the video?
full spec is strongest now , swift is just QoL since it much easier but spec is more endgame build and swift better early also cheaper ( u dont nid cd 10 )
@@YurJaeHuyk Not entirely correct, in terms of theoretical DPS Swift TTH is the highest of all Gunslinger builds. Dominion is considered one of the strongest relic sets for a reason. Spec TTH just performs better while bursting down bosses.
lustboy made reddit post about gs and ngl tth is tempting but shotguns are the "it" factor (that i like the most). Im mostly concerned that tth dmg will be comparable to pm, where tth is easier so idk whats going on with balancing xD Gs class engravings need rework asap
i think SRF is obrigatory if u are running CJ with bullet rain another thing that i think is important is to check the mp cost of the filler skills to not lose dps with the nightmare set
big damage makes me laugh xD if you compare peacemaker before patch to time to hunt. its like peace 3.5m vs 7m dps for time to hunt. you cant measure the 50% hp damage though in trixion. but everyclass will do like more dps then you except for shadowhunters that run Demonic they in same range of 3-4m at 1500 ilvl. But mayb your right about the burst windows etc. i thought of respeccing but i think i wont now xD. gunslinger is not a hitmaster class ppl made that up. Its versatile you can make backattack or not if you want. i do a lot more dps with entropy and other tripods then the tight spots. but ye in raids you wont 100% back attacks so i dunno. didnt they like nerf the tight spots tripods anyway?
Revisiting your video just before balance patch (because my build is wrong justlike yours haha), and i gotta say i dont regret maining her this class is so beautifull yet so complex and it makes it so fun for me
but i need to say swiftness is not that bad until you reach high end cooldown gems
Hey Atk first of all keep up the great work , Love your content.
I wanted to ask what are the ideal stats of gunslinger should you go higher than 1040 Crit with salvation set ? I was thinking going with 1040 Crit and rest of the points all in spec.
Thanks and appreciate all the content you do ^_^
im running 1300+800 salvation set and 18set light of salvation. I'm a little bit on the downside of crit. You will need to go for LWC i assume if u go as low as 1040 crit.
@@Crazning88 So what do you suggest for lets say the most optimal stats ? right now i am at 1090 crit with 450 Spec with 1 Earing , 1 Necklace and 1 Ring. I still have to buy a Earing and a ring what would you suggest ?
Great GS content ATK! My current main is a 7M GS with 4x3, x2 Adrenaline, x 1 PM. After the balance changes, is it worth dropping x2 Adrenaline for 5x3 with PM3?
no, your build is still good, no reason to wast money before 5x3 +2
Adrenaline Rush is a WoW rogue skill dude :D
@@kahuna2588 10+ years of playing WoW wll do that , I obviously meant Adrenaline 😄
You made a Google slides very professional 👏
So, Necklace Crit Spec / Ears Crit / 1 Ring Crit other Ring Spec? Also, Peacemaker 3 is better than Peacemaker 1 now?
Rejoice my man redid the main class
I'm not super good at the game, but I think that I'm decent enough to say that his points are valid, though in the example of vykas, firstly, he uses deatheye and not gunslinger. Secondly, I don't think it's the way to play for gunslinger to try and use every DPS skill in a single cycle, even for TTH gs, it's still barely enough time, and the cool down on skills are high. IMO, and from what I watch from "named" (a youtuber) and other GS main streamer, they don't try to squeeze all the high dps skill in one go, but rather they used the one with longer animation/hard to aim first -> back to pistol to reset utility -> back to either rifle/shotgun and use the shorter animation/easier to aim such as target down, and perfect shot. In fact, in one of the guide that I watch when I first started (forgot his name, and the channel was in korean), he said that you don't really use your high stagger skill as GS unless all the other skills are on CD which happens often enough, the two stagger skill here are the shotgun counter, and the one with wide radius which I forgot the name as of this moment. I know ATK is like really famous for his knowledge in the community, but I don't think this video is a good example. I understand that TTH is easier to build, and does high damage, but again, this vid is not a good representation in my opinion for TTH vs PM gunslinger.
For comparison, my GS alt is currently at 1445 ilv with 450 swift and 1430 crit, I can actually squeeze in the 4 major dps (2 from shotgun, and 2 from rifle) after using quick step for closing distance + atk speed, and debuff from hand gun stance in about 10s if not less. One thing that I would like to mention though is that I did get the atk speed buff from bard and her legion gear + runes, but regardless, I think it's absolutely do able in the vykas example that he uses. The one downside is that sometime you get confused and lost track of which stance you're on and end up stood still.
Or u just play 7M with salvation(to solve ur loss of attack speed because u dont build swiftness) and go ~1400 crit and 700 spec(might be smodge with LWC cards and overcrit but once u get 18 LoS it starts to feel like a perfect ratio for stats) that is with adrenaline 2 and class 1 it's gonna be around 70% crit with synergy. Also u dont use one of the slowest if not the slowest skill in the game (shotgun rapid fire)
he uses SRF because he like the skill. he already know SRF is a shitty skill, he only like the skill
@@kappa6997 his choice....for me personally when I saw a build that doesn't include that grandma skill there wasn't even a moment of doubt.....I just hate it so much
@@danielyari2354 yeah its his choice. so thats why you cant really say "u dont use" in your comment
@@kappa6997 how dafuq can't I say that when it's referring to the specific build that im mentioning?typical taking things out of context in order to defend against something that didn't even exist
dom set tth is fun.. focus shot cd 10.. alot of weakpoint
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hi what do u think of people running crit/spec neck 2 crit erings 2swiftness ring
So how much crit/spec pm or crit/spec/swift pm would you go for/recommend?
Thank goodness I've had Legendary TTH for a while now, this is going to send that book flying in price. 🤣
Edit: It's already 6k more than it used to cost in NAW. 😔
@ATK kakul saydon guide when ?
School presentation pog
My slinger alt has 1400 crit and around 750 swift, running nightmare. It is not ideal but very fun to play with swift and I do not feel like I am doing that much less damage than crit spec builds. Could be wrong, could be terrible. But as the korean asmongold, zeals, said. If you want to be strong, just whale.
even if you whale $100k, if you have the non-ceiling build, you'll still do bad damage, just like ATK's old build
The spec build with salvation basically has (almost) the same atk spd with much higher dmg on rifle. The CDR from swiftness only matters if you have low CD gems or the boss allows for permanent dps. However, then you most likely run into the mana Regen state of nightmare and lose DPS there.
In my parties boss usually phases when everything is on CD, so not much of a downtime anyways.
who is the tth player ?
Monke guide to max powa
which one is better for bussing?
geez running full crit spec Q.Q smodge i want the swiftness
you get 10% att speed from salvation along with speed buff from supports, rage and galewinds and other buffs, crit / spec is really fast when things proc ^^ and u still got the massive dmg
You kept referring to TTH having execution damage on rifle skills, which is from PM.. so I’m assuming you’re meaning that standard TTH build goes PM 1 or 3
yes PM has the execution damage, and typically TTH builds will also use PM. however, sniper skills have innate execution damage so both need to take that into account anyway
Ye in the standart TTH Build u use PM 1
Kakul Saydon when ?
Hi atk!! You forgot the most important difference between PM and TTH.. PM has another counter in the shootgun skills.. you're welcome. (?
the counter Last Request in shotgun stance requires lvl 7 to get the speed and distanceclosing to be viable. its too slow and a hassle to use in combat. and the extra skillpoints isnt worth it. why u see every1 runs it at lvl 1. the only times i might need it next to peacekeeper is on valtan if i need to assist on counters.
Reliable rifle critting with PM3 is much more important than spec and no crit on rifle with 50% HP boss.
If you wanna be effective with low crit and high spec you lose DPS because you are rotating tracker and STILL many times your rifle doesn't crit.
After 300h of training and 3.5k hours on my GS the build I enjoy most, pays most and mvps most on current patch is PM3 - 7M - Crit/Swift - Nightware
Crit/Spec is boring to play, very punishing and just doesn't worth it to trade the fun of swift with slight damage which translates only on Trixion
I was thinking about swift/spec tth gunslinger focusing on swiftness, is that much worse than spec version that you didn't even mention it in the video?
full spec is strongest now , swift is just QoL since it much easier but spec is more endgame build and swift better early also cheaper ( u dont nid cd 10 )
@@YurJaeHuyk Not entirely correct, in terms of theoretical DPS Swift TTH is the highest of all Gunslinger builds. Dominion is considered one of the strongest relic sets for a reason. Spec TTH just performs better while bursting down bosses.
Why not replace Perfect Shot with Bullet Rain instead?
9/7/1 GIGACHAD
lustboy made reddit post about gs and ngl tth is tempting but shotguns are the "it" factor (that i like the most). Im mostly concerned that tth dmg will be comparable to pm, where tth is easier so idk whats going on with balancing xD Gs class engravings need rework asap
I just switched to TTH. It turns out I just like bigger numbers.
@@Duubly i play tth for like 2 days and ngl its pog af. Less stress and dmg is good
So more reason why go Swift TTH ?
Lustboy has a vid about TTH which explains things really well.
But Spec 70/ swift 30 TTH is very nice with Hallu to prop up your CR.
@@Osprey1994 Ohhh so i have full spec and all need is Swift/Spec neck and should be good ?
I been using crit spec for a long time, swift is just for ppl who are bad
feels smoother no?
@@dominikr3404 yea it does but lower ceiling
i think SRF is obrigatory if u are running CJ with bullet rain
another thing that i think is important is to check the mp cost of the filler skills to not lose dps with the nightmare set
The MP cost doesn't matter because you lose MP based of your maximum with the nightmare set
no galewind on bullet rain :susge:
big damage makes me laugh xD if you compare peacemaker before patch to time to hunt. its like peace 3.5m vs 7m dps for time to hunt. you cant measure the 50% hp damage though in trixion. but everyclass will do like more dps then you except for shadowhunters that run Demonic they in same range of 3-4m at 1500 ilvl. But mayb your right about the burst windows etc. i thought of respeccing but i think i wont now xD. gunslinger is not a hitmaster class ppl made that up. Its versatile you can make backattack or not if you want. i do a lot more dps with entropy and other tripods then the tight spots. but ye in raids you wont 100% back attacks so i dunno. didnt they like nerf the tight spots tripods anyway?
dude sounded like he was gonna throw up the whole video made me feel sick