These are some really excellent mods!! I have a 1 pro with no inner but I look forward to adding a few of these where applicable to my own tent...cheers and thank you for sharing this!
You, sir are a genius! This needs to go viral. Watching it I imagined that your day job must be in engineering building suspension bridges and the like! I have the Lanshan 2 and implemented some of your mods which helped on WHW and C2C where it performed excellently. It's just great to have all that space. Best ~£125 I ever spent! I did look at the Pro version too but didn't think the minimal weight saving was worth the problems with condensation touching my gear etc.
My family might disagree with you, but it's great to know that other people share my interest in customising the tents! And I'll happily spend time modifying such a great value tent rather than paying exorbitant amounts for USA imports that doesn't really suit UK conditions. And I agree with you about the Pro version; any weight saving could quickly be lost by having damp gear methinks.
Charles, your modifications have transformed my shiny new Lanshan 1 from a nice tent into a great tent, particularly your recommendation to configure the footprint, inner and fly to pitch as one. GENIUS! My Lanshan hasn’t left my garden yet but now it’s Charles-powered I’m confident it will give me many nights of pleasure this spring and summer. So a massive thank you!
Wow Graham, that’s really kind of you 😊 I’m so pleased that you like my suggestions, and it makes it so much more worthwhile to receive comments like yours. Thanks!!
That catenary line idea is actually kinda brilliant! At >190cm height I almost wanted to go with the Lanshan 2 Pro to be on the save side but looked up mods for the L1P first - pretty much everyone goes with the obvious extra pole/stick route which defeats the "ultralight" aspect of the tent imo. This is the single most easy and lightweight mod to get extra room and stability! Thank you so much!
One of the best modification videos of all time! very thorough and well thought out. A lot of these translate to all other tents. Many thanks for sharing. AAA+++
Check out my tips for pitching it, too; Using a Lanshan 1 backpacking tent? Try these! Tips & tricks for the perfect pitch every time ua-cam.com/video/wUUPi_2xTqs/v-deo.html
Fantastic tips. By far the best videos about the Lanshan. Thanks to you I have ordered the tent (I'm a complete wildcamping newbie). Now I'm waiting for good weather to finally use it....
Oh wow thanks, that’s fantastic to hear! 😁 It’s a great tent. There’s a knack to pitching it; ua-cam.com/video/wUUPi_2xTqs/v-deo.htmlsi=ePCOlLXaI1HHSbf2
I'm really enjoying your videos. They are so well made and thoughtfull!!! And now i see you got also a Lanshan 1, wich is what i already use. I will do defenitly your Tips and tricks! Tomorrow is my first Lanshan 2 coming. I'm very happy that i finally got one on a sale 😅. At the moment i'm sick and your videos really help me to feel better and i'm looking forward to my future hikes. Thank you so much!😊
Thanks!! I'm so pleased that you liked the tips :-D and the video helped you whilst you're sick. Hope you are better soon and can get out end enjoy using the tents!!
I got it finally and your videos surely had a bug influence. I pitched it three times and the walls were saggy, the forth time.... I finally got it and they were not saggy anymore. Your modifications are really helpful, I applied most. Thanks!
Thanks for taking the time to make this very useful video . I’ve only just recently purchased my Lanshan 1 and am planning my first local trip soon before hopefully using it on the Anglesey coastal path 👍
Thanks for the great hacks Charles. I've used some of these from past videos. And now have more work to do. If I may add a couple more: There is a loop on the top of the bathtub by the pole. Attach a bungy to the loop and run it up the pole and attach. How you attach may vary do to differences in poles, but your clips might work nicely. Now your tub stands up, helps keep dirt and muck out, yet is flexible for easy entry and exit. I also carry 3 cheap plastic alligator clips that I can attach to the outside bottom middle of the 3 walls. With cordage and stakes I can then bring the walls down very tight when needed. Thanks again. ;
Thanks; I like the suggestion for keeping the tub side raised, and I'll be giving it a try. Also I like your idea of controlling the lower edges of the sides, but I've had mixed results with 'crocodile' style clips in the past, which is why I now use the round attachments. I've gone into more detail about them in my follow-up video ua-cam.com/video/FewWBUnrueQ/v-deo.html
Thanks for another great video Charles! 😀 I have applied many of your mods from the Lanshan 2 video to my Lanshan 1 already. Great to have a dedicated Lanshan 1 mods video as well now. The catenary line is a great idea which I will try as soon as I get round to buying some extra cordage. I have the Lanshan 1 factory footprint, but prefer not to have it permanently attached to the tent. Having the footprint available separately is handy for site selection; you can see if the tent will fit in a selected spot by laying out the footprint and can then fine tune your placement easily relative to whatever is on the ground. I often lie down on the footprint to "test" the spot. Easy to detect & remove any sticks or stones underneath before starting the pitch. The footprint is also often damp underneath when you pack up in the morning. Convenient to be able to detach it to dry instead of stuffing it in with the rest of the tent. My setup is almost identical to yours, I just don't have the footprint cords tied to the outer straps. Instead each cord has a loop at the end to attach to a peg. With the footprint pegged out, the tent goes on top and the bathtub gets clipped to the footprint at the corners. The pegs are already in place, so it is quick to hook on the outer straps and stick in the pole. If I do need to do a quick pitch in bad weather, I can still get everything up in one go by just clipping the footprint to the tent before starting the pitch. One extra step vs your set-up though. Fortunately we have sufficient good weather days here in South Africa that I don't need to pitch in bad weather often. 😎 In other areas of the world, like the Western Highlands of Scotland where good weather has a different meaning, a fast pitch is required more frequently. I have not used a Lanshan there, but It remains one of my favourite mountaineering areas. Unfortunately it has been a long time since I had the pleasure of visiting Scotland. Stay safe, Regards Hans
Thanks Hans; it's great to hear from you, and I'm very jealous of the weather you get in South Africa! My latest trip was on the Welsh border when we have very mixed conditions and it was very helpful to get the tent up & down quickly. My friend was using his Hilleberg Soulo, which was a lot slower to set up, heavier, and less spacious inside then my Lanshan 2. Not to mention the price! I'm intrigued by your approach to setting out the footprint first; it will definitely help to get a nice pitch position, and I might give it a try. I usually lay out my poles where I want to be sleeping, and that helps position the tent correctly. I have also thought of perhaps a small spirit level on the poles to make sure ;-) I'm really pleased that the mods have worked for you. As it happens, I'm currently working on using some of these ideas in a follow-up modifications video for the Lanshan 2, including the Catenary line. Let me know if you're visiting the UK any time soon!
@@longsufferinghiker It will be interesting to see how you implement the Catenary line for the Lanshan 2. I don't own a Lanshan 2, so can't test if my guess will work; will have to wait for your video. I would love to visit the black Cuillin on Isle of Skye again (in good weather). Unfortunately I doubt if a visit to the UK will happen any time soon for me; SA Rand is just too weak against foreign currency. 😕 At least there are several UA-camrs who put up videos of their adventures in the Highlands so that I can travel virtually. 🙂
Excellent, clear video: thank you Tip 17 is for if you lose your way back home, use the Egyptian (I think) labarynthian technic and simply tie the cords end to end and unravel as you go E&OE
Well filmed and presented. I have a similar tent from another brand and made an inverted V tent pole. The top piece is made of plastic and has a short screw to hook the inner on. I have sewn magnets on the door retainer straps which is better than tying the toggles. Good work in setting the inner and outer separation as the designers have overlooked this.
Hey great vids... So I've been trying various mods. Your vids hace been great avd I've used many.. I thought it would be worth mentioning last night I was caught in a storm. I used various techniques and I had double pegged. The side I used the catenary line principle (did it with on tie out from the top) was rock solid still. Whilst tge others including the trekking pole side which fell over were not so great. The storm was viscious and the winds hitting from all sides. We had to bail in the end. I also had 12 inch dd pegs. So a proper test. I'll be using that method for all the side tie outs now. Thanks again.
Thanks Danny; I'm really pleased that some of the modifications have worked out well for you! And in particular I'm extremely happy that the catenary line idea was a success in the storm; it sounds like you gave it a very thorough test. I've tried it our a lot myself, and it has always worked well for me, but it means a lot to me that it has worked well for you, too. Thanks for letting me know; it put a bit smile on my face this afternoon, and my wife says that I'm looking even more smug than usual ;-)
I use the pretent soloist one man tent, similar to the lanshan 1, and I have implemented some of your modifications on this tent also, thanks very much for your advice.
The door design was what attracted me to it, my friend has the lanshan 1 and i liked it very much and was thinking on buying one, but earlier this year I got the chance to buy the soloist. It has been good in the wind and rain as long as it is set up right, that is why i implemented some of your changes. There is not as much room as the Lanshan so for a bigger person you would struggle for size, I am 5ft 7 and fit it fine but maybe 5ft 10 and above would struggle. There are four configurations to the the door that are good and give great flexibility. I believe that i can use the Lanshan 1 four season inner for it. Keep your videos coming they are always very good to watch with great content.
Thanks. For the footprint dimensions you could simply just measure the size of the inner, or use the dimensions on the 3F UL Gear website: 3fultralight.com/product/3f-ul-gear-lanshan-1-tent-footprint-groundsheet-original-silnylon-ground-cloth-21095cm/
Charles, my new Lanshan 1 just arrived a few days ago and I’ve tried three different ways of pitching it. I had watched this video and so I tried pitching it with the back of the tent facing into the wind. But I found that the wind was hard enough that it kept blowing the back of the tent forward and so I was never able to get the space between the tarp and the inner tent. So I took it all down and re-pitched it with the side of the tent facing into the wind and found it did quite a bit better. Please help me understand better why you find that pitching the back into the wind is the way to go? Thank you for this truly helpful video. Canyon
Hi. That’s a good question. If there is no strong wind then it doesn’t really matter which way it is pitched. But if the wind is strong then I don’t like the have the end towards the wind because there isn’t much clearance above your head or feet, so you are more likely to have the fabric disturb your sleep. If you have the back guyline nicely set up, preferably using a walking pole, then the back should stay strong and not get blown forward too much. Also check the position of the inner; there should be a 10cm separation all around.
Great Lanshan modification ideas. Quick question, regarding the inner tent floppiness modification, did you run shock cord on all 4 corners ? Have you also changed the 2 main guy lines from 3 mm to 2 mm ? thanks for sharing the modification tips with us !
Glad you enjoyed the video 🙂 Yes, I did all 4 corners. I find that it is very useful when the ground is lumpy and I need to adjust each corner independently. I also now use 2mm dyneema for the guylines. It’s certainly strong enough. Just be sure to use line locks/cleats that suit the small diameter.
@ thanks for the quick reply, what diameter shock cord did you use for the 4 corners. I will order it after. I have received my Lanshan 2 yet and will follow most of your modifications .😉
@@longsufferinghiker Thanks I am seriously looking at getting one for the West Highland way Next year. I want light and water proof this seems to fit the bill and I love the head room, only thing annoying me is the sealed seems, im not sure which one has the sealed seams from factory
The standard version has seams already sealed. But you do need to seal the small patches where the side guylines join the tent. The 'Pro (single skin) version needs to have all of the seams sealed by you.
Most of the counterfeit ones are in fact the same product but with different branding, such as the 'NightCat' version that I reviewed here: ua-cam.com/video/wDL7pk3vvns/v-deo.html The proper 3F UL Gear site is currently listing the Lanshan 1 at £126.16 inc. shipping: 3fulgear.com/product/ultralight-tent/lanshan-1/?currency=GBP But I would suggest buying from the UK seller, Colin at Outdoor Gear Essentials. He's very helpful: outdoorgearessentials.co.uk/products/lanshan-1-plus-4-season
Glad it helped!! For the cord I use 2mm diameter Dyneema. It’s easily strong enough. Just make sure you use cleats to suit the small diameter. For the door bungee I use 3 or 4mm diameter because you need good tension strength. For the inner tension bungees 2mm diameter is fine; fits well inside the seam. Good luck!
Funnily enough, I’m working on a mods video for the Cloud Peak 😁. It’s a great tent already, but s few ideas make it easier to set up. It might take a while to appear; there are a couple of other videos from the Hebridean Way and Cleveland Way to appear first.
@@longsufferinghiker I've been researching what tent to buy for the Pembrokeshire coast path and I'm not keen on single skin tents and I was 90% sure the Lanshan 1 was the tent for me but now with these mods it's No 1 on my list so thank you.
@@longsufferinghiker can I ask, for you would it be the Lanshan 1 or the Night cat or any other 1kg tent. Budget about £150 and I like the slightly bigger inner that these offer over some other 1kg tents
The Pembrokeshire Coast Path is gorgeous; a good choice :-) I reviewed the Night Cat: ua-cam.com/video/wDL7pk3vvns/v-deo.html but I would prefer the 3F UL Gear over the Night Cat because it can have a 4 season inner (better for the UK), and has a 'T' zip which makes life much easier and more spacious. If you like to have more space then I would seriously consider the Lanshan 2; the extra 150g weight (1060g v. 910g) gives you a massive increase in interior space, and 2 vestibules.
Thanks, that was helpful. I'm thinking of buying a Lanshan 1. Have you got any thoughts on the mesh vs the solid inner? I'm not planning to winter camp in a Lanshan, but I've camped on a windy site in a different tent with mesh sides, and it was cold due to the wind blasting through the tent walls. Do you recommend the solid inner for a bit of draught proofing? The weight difference and cost is negligible. Thakns, Sarah
Hi Sarah. That's a good question and, coincidentally, I touched on this in my latest video reviewing a 'Night Cat' Lanshan 1 which has the mesh inner ua-cam.com/video/wDL7pk3vvns/v-deo.html If you're in the UK, then I recommend the 4 season inner. It still has a healthy amount of mesh on the door for ventilation, but the solid sides make it much more versatile and suitable for a wider variety of weather conditions. I prefer it also because it feels more cosy! Of course, you could get yourself both the 3 season and 4 season inners, to keep your options open? :-) I'd also recommend considering the Lanshan 2, mainly because there is so much more room inside. You'll appreciate it if you're camping in the rain, or in conditions when you'll be spending a lot of time in the tent.
Thanks for that 🙂. I'll watch your night cat video, thanks for the recommendation. Yes, UK based, and planning to do the West Highland Way next year, so I'm weighing up (pun intended!) Both the Lanshan 1 and 2. I believe the weight difference is 1220g for the L2 and 930g for the L1, so 290g extra. I like that the L1 is lighter and smaller and maybe easier to find a place to pitch because of that, but I will have a think about the L2 as Scotland gets a bit of weather, and being stuck in a tiny tent in the rain will be a bit miserable! Thanks for getting back to me, happy travels.
Hi great video, it may be a silly question but which knots are best to use for the bungee cord on the doors? Im also planning to put bungee on the inner tent peg outs as well. Is a bowline ok?
That's a very good question! For the door bungees I used a reef knot. Any other times when you want to create a loop the bowline is perfect. It's my favourite know (if there is such a thing...) and use a bowline for the ends of all my guylines.
Can I ask how tall you are? I have read comments that 6 foot (1.8M)is too tall. wondering if those modifications to the foot and head make it feasible.
I am 5'10" tall. The inner is 230cm long (90 inches / 7'6") so yes, it should be long enough, BUT the inner roof slopes down, so the gap above your head is lower at each end & the available space will depend on the thickness of your sleeping mat etc. if you see what I mean? It also seems small inside because of the sloping back wall. My suggestion would be to opt for the Lanshan 2, which has significantly more interior space for a 300g weight difference.
Just got my first one and working on these mods. One thing however I've been told all those guide ropes attached to the top loop of the tent will cause it to break. Would appreciate your thoughts on this please.
That's a legitimate concern, however that top guyline loops are designed to take a lot of strain from the guylines, and are reinforced well. If the tent is pitched well and doesn't flap around then the strain on the guyline attachments is constant and manageable. I've used my Lanshan tents with these modifications for over 80 nights so far in all kind of rough conditions, and there is still no sign of any weakness or problem, so I'm sure you'll be fine. Good luck!
@@longsufferinghiker thank you for the speedy reply and your honesty. Thinking about attaching the front and back guides differently to less the strain.
I've taken a few days to reply, because you really got me thinking! :-) In fact, this could be the subject of a whole new video... It depends on whether you're interested in wind resistance, or in performance in strong winds, but both tents have shapes that shed the wind very nicely and the walking poles are far stronger that any flexible tent poles (i.e. better than many hooped tents). The shape of the L1 means it has slightly less wind resistance, especially if pitched with the open side facing away from the wind. But the 2/3 of the inner of the L1 is in close proximity to the outer, so there will be a lot of buffeting inside the tent. The slab sides of the L2 can catch the wind, but if you pitch the tent with the vestibule facing the wind then it's not so much of a problem. And the 2 pole structure is a lot more sturdy. Plus you can set the poles on the windward side lower (I've gone as low as 110cm), to reduce the gap under the flysheet at that side. I tend to put my pack and wet gear in the windward vestibule of the L2, too. which keeps it out of the way and helps block the wind a bit. Plus the L2 has vastly more interior space, which makes life much easier in bad weather. But whichever tent you choose, I strongly suggest doing my suggested modifications to the main guylines, which make them much stronger... What do you think?
Hi Charles, thanks for these tips! I have a Lanshan 1 on the way and will certainly process a large part of it, but I am trying to keep the weight gain to a minimum. I especially like the tip for bungee in the inner tent and the connection between the inner tent and the outer tent at the doors. I think this will make a world of difference and make the tent feel a little more spacious. I plan to sew on the 2mm bungee at the top and bottom and only place a cord grip at the top. Pulling out the flysheet with the dyneema along the top is also a nice solution, but I'm a bit worried about what the dyneema cord along the top will do to the flysheet: won't the dyneema damage the flysheet? Pim.
Hi Pim. Thanks for the nice feedback - it’s really good to know that my ideas might help you! I think sewing the ends of the bungee if the inner will be good if your sewing skills are up to it! I’ve found that the dyneema catenary line works very well to lift the sides. I haven’t seen any wear on the flysheet fabric. Because the dyneema is smooth, and if the line is tensioned well there’s no movement across the fabric. But a patch of Tenacious Tape might be a good idea if you’re worried perhaps?
That's a very good thought. It could be even stronger, but TBH the single pole is not a weak point. Also you would need to find a way to link the poles strongly at the top.
Brilliant video! I'm struggling with choosing between the Lanshan 1 and the Durston Xmid 1P; do you have any thoughts on how the two tents compare? Is the Lanshan 1 really suitable as an all weather tent? Could I ask what the worst conditions you have camped in the Lanshan 1 are?
Hi David. That's an interesting dilemma! The Durston has a lot going for it: very lightweight, good quality, neat design, sits lower to the ground, and the 2 vestibules make it much more spacious and practical than the Lanshan 1. But in my opinion the mesh inner makes it less suited to UK 4 season use; the solid inner on the Lanshan will be much warmer in cold/windy conditions. I have used the Lanshan 1 in heavy rain and wind, and it coped with them brilliantly; the shape makes it very capable in the wind. However there's no getting away from the fact that it's very compact inside, and 2/3 of the inner is in close proximity to the outer. I wouldn't want to use it in winter when you'll be spending many hours in the tent, and won't be able to make much use of the vestibule. My choice for 4 season use is the Lanshan 2 with a 4 season inner. It is a bit heavier, but it's very spacious, and has 2 vestibules.
@@macewindupage The price point is a consideration in the sense of why pay more if the Lanshan will do what I need, which is provide shelter in fair weather conditions on one or two night wildcamping trips.
You can order them via Amazon, but there a UK distributor - Colin Pollard - who's very helpful: outdoorgearessentials.co.uk/collections/3ful-lanshan-tents
I have just bought a Lanshan 1 online. Not the easiest thing to find from a UK supplier as I have been burnt in the past when ordering direct from China. It might say you get your goods within a couple of weeks but in practice the shipper tends to wait until he has filled a container and two weeks can end up being two months. Drying tents properly is absolutely crucial to making them last well. When car camping my favourite trick is to spread the tent over my car while I am getting my breakfast. It might look weird and I have never seen anyone else do it but if the sun comes out a small tent dries within a few minutes.
I confess I’m new to the backpacking ultralight but this seems crazy to buy tent needs to be completely modified is not a good indication that the design is not may be the best option?
I completely agree. It’s strange that the manufacturers have not made changes to the design. But remember that it is extremely good value compared to most lightweight alternatives, and most of my suggested modifications are quick and cheap.
I think if I had to make 16 modifications to a new tent, pretty sure I'd think about buying a different tent! I really can't imagine messing about setting this tent out after a hard day's riding!
Well you really don’t _have_ to do the modifications; they’re just ideas that might help to customise what’s already a good tent. I think the perfect tent doesn’t exist, and everyone has different needs and preferences, so it’s good to share ideas that might help others in a spirit of helpfulness and positivity
I leave the inner attached to the fly and pitch the Lanshan under a minute in stock configuration. I would get the Flames Creed 230 cm Plus version if I were you so you don't have to pull out the fabric to the max. And because it's under 1 kilo that day's riding becomes less hard. The pole should be 125-130 cm to get the inner nice and taut. Most people pitch it too low. The trick is to leave a really large gap at the front and set the pole at a slight angle. If there is lots of wind you can pitch it a bit lower. That is the thing about a single pole tent. It depends on the conditions how you want to pitch it. Than with a small 100x150 cm tarp from the loop on the top of the tent to a tree or something you can sit under it on a chair or picnic blanket. When I see people with low tunnel tents I feel sorry for them. Poor guys having to crawl like that. If you have one and we meet on a campsite I'll donate a couple of euro OK?
The Flames Creed is just another badge for the Lanshan 2, like Night Cat and 3F UL Gear. The 230cm version is single skin so, although it is longer and lighter, condensation is a big issue, especially in the UK. So I will stick with the 2 layer standard version. I totally agree about the critical importance of the pole height; it makes a huge difference and one of the great benefits of the Lanshan is that you can adjust the height to suit different conditions. Nice idea about the Tarp. But I never pitch amongst trees, especially if it's windy 💨😉
From what I can see on Ali Express, the 2021 'Pro' (single skin) version has a 230cm long inner. The inner on the standard (double skin) version is 220cm long.
These are some really excellent mods!! I have a 1 pro with no inner but I look forward to adding a few of these where applicable to my own tent...cheers and thank you for sharing this!
It’s really great to hear that some of the ideas will help you. Thanks for letting me know!
You, sir are a genius! This needs to go viral. Watching it I imagined that your day job must be in engineering building suspension bridges and the like! I have the Lanshan 2 and implemented some of your mods which helped on WHW and C2C where it performed excellently. It's just great to have all that space. Best ~£125 I ever spent! I did look at the Pro version too but didn't think the minimal weight saving was worth the problems with condensation touching my gear etc.
My family might disagree with you, but it's great to know that other people share my interest in customising the tents! And I'll happily spend time modifying such a great value tent rather than paying exorbitant amounts for USA imports that doesn't really suit UK conditions.
And I agree with you about the Pro version; any weight saving could quickly be lost by having damp gear methinks.
Charles, your modifications have transformed my shiny new Lanshan 1 from a nice tent into a great tent, particularly your recommendation to configure the footprint, inner and fly to pitch as one. GENIUS! My Lanshan hasn’t left my garden yet but now it’s Charles-powered I’m confident it will give me many nights of pleasure this spring and summer. So a massive thank you!
Wow Graham, that’s really kind of you 😊
I’m so pleased that you like my suggestions, and it makes it so much more worthwhile to receive comments like yours. Thanks!!
Super-clever mods! Many thanks for sharing them so clearly and concisely! Love the illustrative arrows!
Thanks! Hope some of there will work for you 😊
Gold star! The reference ‘how to’ for pitching this tent. Many thanks for posting this, I think I’ll be treating myself to one before long now!
Aw thanks *blush* I'm pleased it was useful!
That catenary line idea is actually kinda brilliant! At >190cm height I almost wanted to go with the Lanshan 2 Pro to be on the save side but looked up mods for the L1P first - pretty much everyone goes with the obvious extra pole/stick route which defeats the "ultralight" aspect of the tent imo. This is the single most easy and lightweight mod to get extra room and stability! Thank you so much!
Aw, thanks!! I’m really happy to hear that you like the suggestion, and it means a lot to me to know that it might help you 🙂
One of the best modification videos of all time! very thorough and well thought out. A lot of these translate to all other tents. Many thanks for sharing. AAA+++
Aw, thanks 😊 It's very gratifying to hear that; much appreciated
So intelligent. You, sir, should design your own tent with these amazing concepts
Maybe one day! Thanks!! :-)
What a great video with some very creative modifications to optimize the Lanshan 1! Thank you for making this video!!
You’re very welcome! I hope some of the modifications will work out well for you 🙂
You are the tent guru. I've just got this tent. Very pleased with it. I shall add most of these mods, cheers
Thanks!! I hope the tent and the mods work well for you :-)
This video is absolutely amazing. My Lanshan is coming in soon and I will be using all these modifications! Many thanks.
Aw, thanks! It’s really great for me to hear that. Good luck!
Check out my tips for pitching it, too;
Using a Lanshan 1 backpacking tent? Try these! Tips & tricks for the perfect pitch every time
ua-cam.com/video/wUUPi_2xTqs/v-deo.html
Great ideas!! I will use most of them shortly, just ordered some new clips and guidelines.
Thanks! That’s great to hear. Good luck!
Fantastic tips. By far the best videos about the Lanshan. Thanks to you I have ordered the tent (I'm a complete wildcamping newbie). Now I'm waiting for good weather to finally use it....
Oh wow thanks, that’s fantastic to hear! 😁
It’s a great tent. There’s a knack to pitching it; ua-cam.com/video/wUUPi_2xTqs/v-deo.htmlsi=ePCOlLXaI1HHSbf2
Best Lanshan 1 mods video I've seen! Thank you
Thanks!! Hope some of the ideas work for you 🙂
I'm really enjoying your videos. They are so well made and thoughtfull!!! And now i see you got also a Lanshan 1, wich is what i already use. I will do defenitly your Tips and tricks! Tomorrow is my first Lanshan 2 coming. I'm very happy that i finally got one on a sale 😅. At the moment i'm sick and your videos really help me to feel better and i'm looking forward to my future hikes. Thank you so much!😊
Thanks!! I'm so pleased that you liked the tips :-D and the video helped you whilst you're sick. Hope you are better soon and can get out end enjoy using the tents!!
Some very good tips and tricks. I have a pile of 6.2mm carbon arrows I can cut and make some mini struts, great idea... 😉
That’s a stroke of luck!
Unreal adaptations and thinking! Thanks for taking the time and sharing!
Thanks! I hope some of the ideas work out well for you 🙂
I got it finally and your videos surely had a bug influence.
I pitched it three times and the walls were saggy, the forth time.... I finally got it and they were not saggy anymore.
Your modifications are really helpful, I applied most.
Thanks!
I’m really pleased that my suggestions helped you. Thanks for letting me know!! 🙂
I'm buying the Lanshan 1 plus tomorrow... these are great Mods... especially the over roof dyneema cords to pull out guy points
Thanks; I hope they work out for you, and you enjoy the tent!
Excellent! Thanks - will use, as your earlier tips already were spot on! (and duly tested in stormy northern Sweden)
Wow, stormy North Sweden sounds like a serious test for any tent!!
I'm very pleased (and relieved) that the mods worked well for you :-D
Thanks for taking the time to make this very useful video .
I’ve only just recently purchased my Lanshan 1 and am planning my first local trip soon before hopefully using it on the Anglesey coastal path 👍
Glad it is useful to you :-)
Have a great time in Anglesey. I've checked out the path, as it looks very nice; let me know how you get on!
i just bought the "new" lanshan 1....cant wait to add these mods and go out there, great vid !
Thanks! Hope you like it and have many great nights out in it 🙂
Thanks for the great hacks Charles. I've used some of these from past videos. And now have more work to do. If I may add a couple more: There is a loop on the top of the bathtub by the pole. Attach a bungy to the loop and run it up the pole and attach. How you attach may vary do to differences in poles, but your clips might work nicely. Now your tub stands up, helps keep dirt and muck out, yet is flexible for easy entry and exit. I also carry 3 cheap plastic alligator clips that I can attach to the outside bottom middle of the 3 walls. With cordage and stakes I can then bring the walls down very tight when needed. Thanks again.
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Thanks; I like the suggestion for keeping the tub side raised, and I'll be giving it a try.
Also I like your idea of controlling the lower edges of the sides, but I've had mixed results with 'crocodile' style clips in the past, which is why I now use the round attachments. I've gone into more detail about them in my follow-up video ua-cam.com/video/FewWBUnrueQ/v-deo.html
Awesome video! Thank you so much! Greetings from Germany. Can‘t wait to set up my Lanshan for the first time
Thanks. You’re welcome 🙂
Some nice tips, thank you
All the best
Clive
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Thanks Clive. I'm pleased they were useful for you.
So many brilliant ideas!
Thanks! I hope that some of them work out well for you 🙂
Just had the pro out in 40-50 mph winds in snowdonia, was amazed how well it handled it.
Wow. Nice work!!
Thanks for another great video Charles! 😀
I have applied many of your mods from the Lanshan 2 video to my Lanshan 1 already. Great to have a dedicated Lanshan 1 mods video as well now.
The catenary line is a great idea which I will try as soon as I get round to buying some extra cordage.
I have the Lanshan 1 factory footprint, but prefer not to have it permanently attached to the tent. Having the footprint available separately is handy for site selection; you can see if the tent will fit in a selected spot by laying out the footprint and can then fine tune your placement easily relative to whatever is on the ground. I often lie down on the footprint to "test" the spot. Easy to detect & remove any sticks or stones underneath before starting the pitch. The footprint is also often damp underneath when you pack up in the morning. Convenient to be able to detach it to dry instead of stuffing it in with the rest of the tent.
My setup is almost identical to yours, I just don't have the footprint cords tied to the outer straps. Instead each cord has a loop at the end to attach to a peg. With the footprint pegged out, the tent goes on top and the bathtub gets clipped to the footprint at the corners. The pegs are already in place, so it is quick to hook on the outer straps and stick in the pole.
If I do need to do a quick pitch in bad weather, I can still get everything up in one go by just clipping the footprint to the tent before starting the pitch. One extra step vs your set-up though.
Fortunately we have sufficient good weather days here in South Africa that I don't need to pitch in bad weather often. 😎
In other areas of the world, like the Western Highlands of Scotland where good weather has a different meaning, a fast pitch is required more frequently. I have not used a Lanshan there, but It remains one of my favourite mountaineering areas. Unfortunately it has been a long time since I had the pleasure of visiting Scotland.
Stay safe, Regards Hans
Thanks Hans; it's great to hear from you, and I'm very jealous of the weather you get in South Africa! My latest trip was on the Welsh border when we have very mixed conditions and it was very helpful to get the tent up & down quickly. My friend was using his Hilleberg Soulo, which was a lot slower to set up, heavier, and less spacious inside then my Lanshan 2. Not to mention the price!
I'm intrigued by your approach to setting out the footprint first; it will definitely help to get a nice pitch position, and I might give it a try. I usually lay out my poles where I want to be sleeping, and that helps position the tent correctly. I have also thought of perhaps a small spirit level on the poles to make sure ;-)
I'm really pleased that the mods have worked for you. As it happens, I'm currently working on using some of these ideas in a follow-up modifications video for the Lanshan 2, including the Catenary line.
Let me know if you're visiting the UK any time soon!
@@longsufferinghiker It will be interesting to see how you implement the Catenary line for the Lanshan 2. I don't own a Lanshan 2, so can't test if my guess will work; will have to wait for your video. I would love to visit the black Cuillin on Isle of Skye again (in good weather). Unfortunately I doubt if a visit to the UK will happen any time soon for me; SA Rand is just too weak against foreign currency. 😕
At least there are several UA-camrs who put up videos of their adventures in the Highlands so that I can travel virtually. 🙂
Excellent, clear video: thank you
Tip 17 is for if you lose your way back home, use the Egyptian (I think) labarynthian technic and simply tie the cords end to end and unravel as you go E&OE
Genius :-D
Fantastic tips..thanks chap..
Thanks; much appreciated :-)
Very creative! Thx for sharing!
Thanks. 🙏
Well filmed and presented. I have a similar tent from another brand and made an inverted V tent pole. The top piece is made of plastic and has a short screw to hook the inner on. I have sewn magnets on the door retainer straps which is better than tying the toggles.
Good work in setting the inner and outer separation as the designers have overlooked this.
I’m glad you liked the video. That’s a really interesting idea for the inverted V poles.
Hey great vids... So I've been trying various mods. Your vids hace been great avd I've used many.. I thought it would be worth mentioning last night I was caught in a storm. I used various techniques and I had double pegged. The side I used the catenary line principle (did it with on tie out from the top) was rock solid still. Whilst tge others including the trekking pole side which fell over were not so great. The storm was viscious and the winds hitting from all sides. We had to bail in the end. I also had 12 inch dd pegs. So a proper test. I'll be using that method for all the side tie outs now. Thanks again.
Thanks Danny; I'm really pleased that some of the modifications have worked out well for you! And in particular I'm extremely happy that the catenary line idea was a success in the storm; it sounds like you gave it a very thorough test. I've tried it our a lot myself, and it has always worked well for me, but it means a lot to me that it has worked well for you, too. Thanks for letting me know; it put a bit smile on my face this afternoon, and my wife says that I'm looking even more smug than usual ;-)
Ingenious guy rope work. You must have been a spider in a former life.
😁thanks!! 🕷️🕸️
I use the pretent soloist one man tent, similar to the lanshan 1, and I have implemented some of your modifications on this tent also, thanks very much for your advice.
Thanks! I always liked the look of the Pretents Soloist, especially the neat door design - how do you get on with it?
The door design was what attracted me to it, my friend has the lanshan 1 and i liked it very much and was thinking on buying one, but earlier this year I got the chance to buy the soloist. It has been good in the wind and rain as long as it is set up right, that is why i implemented some of your changes. There is not as much room as the Lanshan so for a bigger person you would struggle for size, I am 5ft 7 and fit it fine but maybe 5ft 10 and above would struggle. There are four configurations to the the door that are good and give great flexibility. I believe that i can use the Lanshan 1 four season inner for it.
Keep your videos coming they are always very good to watch with great content.
You Sir are to Modifications of tents to what Felix Immler is to Swiss Army Knives 👏🏽 👏🏽 👏🏽
Wow, that is big praise!! :-D
Great hacks, thank you and just ordered mine.
Thanks! Hope you like the tent. Check out my pitching suggestions, too: ua-cam.com/video/wUUPi_2xTqs/v-deo.html
going there right now Sir, thank you@@longsufferinghiker
Полезное видео. Пригодиться, если всё-таки решусь приобрести Lanshan.
Thanks!!
Great video
Thanks!
These tips are really nice for lanshan user.
Could you please let me know the size of ground sheet?
Thanks. For the footprint dimensions you could simply just measure the size of the inner, or use the dimensions on the 3F UL Gear website: 3fultralight.com/product/3f-ul-gear-lanshan-1-tent-footprint-groundsheet-original-silnylon-ground-cloth-21095cm/
Charles, my new Lanshan 1 just arrived a few days ago and I’ve tried three different ways of pitching it. I had watched this video and so I tried pitching it with the back of the tent facing into the wind. But I found that the wind was hard enough that it kept blowing the back of the tent forward and so I was never able to get the space between the tarp and the inner tent. So I took it all down and re-pitched it with the side of the tent facing into the wind and found it did quite a bit better. Please help me understand better why you find that pitching the back into the wind is the way to go? Thank you for this truly helpful video. Canyon
Hi. That’s a good question. If there is no strong wind then it doesn’t really matter which way it is pitched. But if the wind is strong then I don’t like the have the end towards the wind because there isn’t much clearance above your head or feet, so you are more likely to have the fabric disturb your sleep.
If you have the back guyline nicely set up, preferably using a walking pole, then the back should stay strong and not get blown forward too much. Also check the position of the inner; there should be a 10cm separation all around.
These are brilliant ideas!
Thanks! Hope some of them will work for you 🙂
Great Lanshan modification ideas. Quick question, regarding the inner tent floppiness modification, did you run shock cord on all 4 corners ? Have you also changed the 2 main guy lines from 3 mm to 2 mm ? thanks for sharing the modification tips with us !
Glad you enjoyed the video 🙂
Yes, I did all 4 corners. I find that it is very useful when the ground is lumpy and I need to adjust each corner independently.
I also now use 2mm dyneema for the guylines. It’s certainly strong enough. Just be sure to use line locks/cleats that suit the small diameter.
@ thanks for the quick reply, what diameter shock cord did you use for the 4 corners. I will order it after. I have received my Lanshan 2 yet and will follow most of your modifications .😉
Have a look at the video description; all the details of that modification are there 🙂
Fantastic.
Many thanks!
Brilliant mods buddy! I am looking at this tent and i would do these mods
It’s a fantastic tent; light, roomy, and incredibly good value. The modifications just help to make it even better 🙂
@@longsufferinghiker Thanks I am seriously looking at getting one for the West Highland way Next year. I want light and water proof this seems to fit the bill and I love the head room, only thing annoying me is the sealed seems, im not sure which one has the sealed seams from factory
@@longsufferinghiker you wouldn't be able to send me a link to the proper tent please theres millions of counterfeit ones when i search TIA
The standard version has seams already sealed. But you do need to seal the small patches where the side guylines join the tent. The 'Pro (single skin) version needs to have all of the seams sealed by you.
Most of the counterfeit ones are in fact the same product but with different branding, such as the 'NightCat' version that I reviewed here: ua-cam.com/video/wDL7pk3vvns/v-deo.html
The proper 3F UL Gear site is currently listing the Lanshan 1 at £126.16 inc. shipping: 3fulgear.com/product/ultralight-tent/lanshan-1/?currency=GBP
But I would suggest buying from the UK seller, Colin at Outdoor Gear Essentials. He's very helpful: outdoorgearessentials.co.uk/products/lanshan-1-plus-4-season
That helped a lot! Thanks!
What cord and bungee do you use?
Glad it helped!!
For the cord I use 2mm diameter Dyneema. It’s easily strong enough. Just make sure you use cleats to suit the small diameter.
For the door bungee I use 3 or 4mm diameter because you need good tension strength.
For the inner tension bungees 2mm diameter is fine; fits well inside the seam.
Good luck!
You sir are a legend
Thanks mate. Try telling that to my wife 😊😊
v good ok so what ideas would you do to a t zip inner cloudpeak2 and soe of those would work better simpler with shock cord instead the dyneemoo :)
Funnily enough, I’m working on a mods video for the Cloud Peak 😁. It’s a great tent already, but s few ideas make it easier to set up. It might take a while to appear; there are a couple of other videos from the Hebridean Way and Cleveland Way to appear first.
@@longsufferinghiker will kp eye out..
No10, genius
Aw, thanks!! Hope it works well for you 🙂
@@longsufferinghiker I've been researching what tent to buy for the Pembrokeshire coast path and I'm not keen on single skin tents and I was 90% sure the Lanshan 1 was the tent for me but now with these mods it's No 1 on my list so thank you.
@@longsufferinghiker can I ask, for you would it be the Lanshan 1 or the Night cat or any other 1kg tent. Budget about £150 and I like the slightly bigger inner that these offer over some other 1kg tents
The Pembrokeshire Coast Path is gorgeous; a good choice :-)
I reviewed the Night Cat: ua-cam.com/video/wDL7pk3vvns/v-deo.html but I would prefer the 3F UL Gear over the Night Cat because it can have a 4 season inner (better for the UK), and has a 'T' zip which makes life much easier and more spacious.
If you like to have more space then I would seriously consider the Lanshan 2; the extra 150g weight (1060g v. 910g) gives you a massive increase in interior space, and 2 vestibules.
@@longsufferinghiker I love the 2 but pitch size may be an issue on the walk plus I like the double skin and the 2 if I'm right is a single skin... ?
Thanks, that was helpful. I'm thinking of buying a Lanshan 1.
Have you got any thoughts on the mesh vs the solid inner? I'm not planning to winter camp in a Lanshan, but I've camped on a windy site in a different tent with mesh sides, and it was cold due to the wind blasting through the tent walls.
Do you recommend the solid inner for a bit of draught proofing? The weight difference and cost is negligible. Thakns, Sarah
Hi Sarah. That's a good question and, coincidentally, I touched on this in my latest video reviewing a 'Night Cat' Lanshan 1 which has the mesh inner ua-cam.com/video/wDL7pk3vvns/v-deo.html
If you're in the UK, then I recommend the 4 season inner. It still has a healthy amount of mesh on the door for ventilation, but the solid sides make it much more versatile and suitable for a wider variety of weather conditions. I prefer it also because it feels more cosy!
Of course, you could get yourself both the 3 season and 4 season inners, to keep your options open? :-)
I'd also recommend considering the Lanshan 2, mainly because there is so much more room inside. You'll appreciate it if you're camping in the rain, or in conditions when you'll be spending a lot of time in the tent.
Thanks for that 🙂. I'll watch your night cat video, thanks for the recommendation. Yes, UK based, and planning to do the West Highland Way next year, so I'm weighing up (pun intended!) Both the Lanshan 1 and 2.
I believe the weight difference is 1220g for the L2 and 930g for the L1, so 290g extra.
I like that the L1 is lighter and smaller and maybe easier to find a place to pitch because of that, but I will have a think about the L2 as Scotland gets a bit of weather, and being stuck in a tiny tent in the rain will be a bit miserable!
Thanks for getting back to me, happy travels.
Hi great video, it may be a silly question but which knots are best to use for the bungee cord on the doors? Im also planning to put bungee on the inner tent peg outs as well. Is a bowline ok?
That's a very good question!
For the door bungees I used a reef knot.
Any other times when you want to create a loop the bowline is perfect. It's my favourite know (if there is such a thing...) and use a bowline for the ends of all my guylines.
@@longsufferinghiker Brilliant thank you.
Can I ask how tall you are? I have read comments that 6 foot (1.8M)is too tall. wondering if those modifications to the foot and head make it feasible.
I am 5'10" tall.
The inner is 230cm long (90 inches / 7'6") so yes, it should be long enough, BUT the inner roof slopes down, so the gap above your head is lower at each end & the available space will depend on the thickness of your sleeping mat etc. if you see what I mean? It also seems small inside because of the sloping back wall. My suggestion would be to opt for the Lanshan 2, which has significantly more interior space for a 300g weight difference.
I’m 6”4 and i fit fine
Just got my first one and working on these mods. One thing however I've been told all those guide ropes attached to the top loop of the tent will cause it to break. Would appreciate your thoughts on this please.
That's a legitimate concern, however that top guyline loops are designed to take a lot of strain from the guylines, and are reinforced well.
If the tent is pitched well and doesn't flap around then the strain on the guyline attachments is constant and manageable.
I've used my Lanshan tents with these modifications for over 80 nights so far in all kind of rough conditions, and there is still no sign of any weakness or problem, so I'm sure you'll be fine.
Good luck!
@@longsufferinghiker thank you for the speedy reply and your honesty. Thinking about attaching the front and back guides differently to less the strain.
is a lanshan 1 more wind resistant than a 2 men version?
I've taken a few days to reply, because you really got me thinking! :-) In fact, this could be the subject of a whole new video...
It depends on whether you're interested in wind resistance, or in performance in strong winds, but both tents have shapes that shed the wind very nicely and the walking poles are far stronger that any flexible tent poles (i.e. better than many hooped tents).
The shape of the L1 means it has slightly less wind resistance, especially if pitched with the open side facing away from the wind. But the 2/3 of the inner of the L1 is in close proximity to the outer, so there will be a lot of buffeting inside the tent.
The slab sides of the L2 can catch the wind, but if you pitch the tent with the vestibule facing the wind then it's not so much of a problem. And the 2 pole structure is a lot more sturdy. Plus you can set the poles on the windward side lower (I've gone as low as 110cm), to reduce the gap under the flysheet at that side.
I tend to put my pack and wet gear in the windward vestibule of the L2, too. which keeps it out of the way and helps block the wind a bit.
Plus the L2 has vastly more interior space, which makes life much easier in bad weather.
But whichever tent you choose, I strongly suggest doing my suggested modifications to the main guylines, which make them much stronger...
What do you think?
Hi Charles, thanks for these tips! I have a Lanshan 1 on the way and will certainly process a large part of it, but I am trying to keep the weight gain to a minimum. I especially like the tip for bungee in the inner tent and the connection between the inner tent and the outer tent at the doors. I think this will make a world of difference and make the tent feel a little more spacious. I plan to sew on the 2mm bungee at the top and bottom and only place a cord grip at the top.
Pulling out the flysheet with the dyneema along the top is also a nice solution, but I'm a bit worried about what the dyneema cord along the top will do to the flysheet: won't the dyneema damage the flysheet?
Pim.
Hi Pim. Thanks for the nice feedback - it’s really good to know that my ideas might help you!
I think sewing the ends of the bungee if the inner will be good if your sewing skills are up to it!
I’ve found that the dyneema catenary line works very well to lift the sides. I haven’t seen any wear on the flysheet fabric. Because the dyneema is smooth, and if the line is tensioned well there’s no movement across the fabric. But a patch of Tenacious Tape might be a good idea if you’re worried perhaps?
Have you considered an A pole set up with 2 trekking poles?
That's a very good thought. It could be even stronger, but TBH the single pole is not a weak point. Also you would need to find a way to link the poles strongly at the top.
Brilliant video! I'm struggling with choosing between the Lanshan 1 and the Durston Xmid 1P; do you have any thoughts on how the two tents compare? Is the Lanshan 1 really suitable as an all weather tent? Could I ask what the worst conditions you have camped in the Lanshan 1 are?
Hi David. That's an interesting dilemma!
The Durston has a lot going for it: very lightweight, good quality, neat design, sits lower to the ground, and the 2 vestibules make it much more spacious and practical than the Lanshan 1. But in my opinion the mesh inner makes it less suited to UK 4 season use; the solid inner on the Lanshan will be much warmer in cold/windy conditions.
I have used the Lanshan 1 in heavy rain and wind, and it coped with them brilliantly; the shape makes it very capable in the wind. However there's no getting away from the fact that it's very compact inside, and 2/3 of the inner is in close proximity to the outer. I wouldn't want to use it in winter when you'll be spending many hours in the tent, and won't be able to make much use of the vestibule.
My choice for 4 season use is the Lanshan 2 with a 4 season inner. It is a bit heavier, but it's very spacious, and has 2 vestibules.
Might the price point be a consideration too?
@@macewindupage The price point is a consideration in the sense of why pay more if the Lanshan will do what I need, which is provide shelter in fair weather conditions on one or two night wildcamping trips.
Can I ask where you bought your Lanshan?
You can order them via Amazon, but there a UK distributor - Colin Pollard - who's very helpful:
outdoorgearessentials.co.uk/collections/3ful-lanshan-tents
super
Thank you
I have just bought a Lanshan 1 online. Not the easiest thing to find from a UK supplier as I have been burnt in the past when ordering direct from China. It might say you get your goods within a couple of weeks but in practice the shipper tends to wait until he has filled a container and two weeks can end up being two months. Drying tents properly is absolutely crucial to making them last well. When car camping my favourite trick is to spread the tent over my car while I am getting my breakfast. It might look weird and I have never seen anyone else do it but if the sun comes out a small tent dries within a few minutes.
Colin at outdoorgearessentials.co.uk/ is a reputable and helpful UK supplier.
That’s a great suggestion for drying out the tent! 🙂👍
@@longsufferinghiker Found them but they didn't have any.
I confess I’m new to the backpacking ultralight but this seems crazy to buy tent needs to be completely modified is not a good indication that the design is not may be the best option?
I completely agree. It’s strange that the manufacturers have not made changes to the design. But remember that it is extremely good value compared to most lightweight alternatives, and most of my suggested modifications are quick and cheap.
I put the dishwasher in the back so it's easier to get in.
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I think if I had to make 16 modifications to a new tent, pretty sure I'd think about buying a different tent! I really can't imagine messing about setting this tent out after a hard day's riding!
Well you really don’t _have_ to do the modifications; they’re just ideas that might help to customise what’s already a good tent. I think the perfect tent doesn’t exist, and everyone has different needs and preferences, so it’s good to share ideas that might help others in a spirit of helpfulness and positivity
I leave the inner attached to the fly and pitch the Lanshan under a minute in stock configuration. I would get the Flames Creed 230 cm Plus version if I were you so you don't have to pull out the fabric to the max. And because it's under 1 kilo that day's riding becomes less hard.
The pole should be 125-130 cm to get the inner nice and taut. Most people pitch it too low. The trick is to leave a really large gap at the front and set the pole at a slight angle. If there is lots of wind you can pitch it a bit lower. That is the thing about a single pole tent. It depends on the conditions how you want to pitch it.
Than with a small 100x150 cm tarp from the loop on the top of the tent to a tree or something you can sit under it on a chair or picnic blanket. When I see people with low tunnel tents I feel sorry for them. Poor guys having to crawl like that. If you have one and we meet on a campsite I'll donate a couple of euro OK?
The Flames Creed is just another badge for the Lanshan 2, like Night Cat and 3F UL Gear. The 230cm version is single skin so, although it is longer and lighter, condensation is a big issue, especially in the UK. So I will stick with the 2 layer standard version.
I totally agree about the critical importance of the pole height; it makes a huge difference and one of the great benefits of the Lanshan is that you can adjust the height to suit different conditions.
Nice idea about the Tarp. But I never pitch amongst trees, especially if it's windy 💨😉
@@longsufferinghiker There is a Lanshan Plus version double wall with 230 cm inner.
From what I can see on Ali Express, the 2021 'Pro' (single skin) version has a 230cm long inner. The inner on the standard (double skin) version is 220cm long.
I am 167cm and have a small ninja 8 years old. Wonder if at a squeeze we would. It’s fit.
I think the Lanshan 1 will be a very tight squeeze! But the Lanshan 2 will be fine, and there are 2 big vestibules for your gear, too.
@@longsufferinghiker ace thanks!