MoP is the best pvp expansion i have ever played, and it definetily has some of the best raids ever. I cant wait to explore the super flourished class design, that i love, in MoP.
I would make a couple adjustments: Vanilla to Cata (classic era): before all of the modern designs and systems, no treadmill content MoP/WoD (experimental design era): this era laid the foundation for retail systems with flex raids and challenge content Legion-SL (borrowed power era): mythic+ became the focus of the game with grindy power systems DF/TWW (modern retail): Blizzard basically trashed all older designs and re-built core systems of the game
have not actively played retail since february 2019. I played a lot of vanilla classic for its first 3 months, then on and off over a year after that. I only played the last 3 months of BC Classic and did enjoy it, but did not experience the last raid, which is fine because I missed all the raids in real BC due to the terrible guilds/server I was on at the time. WOTLK classic I played day one and leveled through most of the zones, but stopped before ice crown and never made it to raiding. I was not necessarily bored, but rather I was promoted to a software engineer 3 at work and focused on my job rather than play the game. Earlier this year I did play most of the first leveling zone of cata, but never picked it up due to other things going on in my life. Which is a shame, because I feel im one of the few who actually truly enjoyed cata back in the day.
0 interest. If it’s not classic plus, I don’t care about it at this point and I’d rather just play another game than keep replaying all the expansions that in my opinion destroyed wow. I would rather play them all as remixes in retail tbh.
Well said. 100% agree. I am playing a cpl of other games as we speak as I (we) wait for C+ to come or maybe a classic fresh server in between waiting for it. I stopped playing SoD in mid/late Phase 3 as it killed all the hype and fun for me with a long bad phase with incursions and what not. Since it's a seasonal server and we already played vanilla, plus classic 2019 (plus priv servers) I don't need to do the same bosses again with wrath/retail abilities, reused content.
This but unironically. "Oh no, a 40 year old DAD can use his garrison to get extra resources and ignore the non-existent RP of the city". I think things have changed so much that many of the critiques of WOD will be virtually non-exist when it comes out.
I'm one of the 3 people in the world that actually enjoyed WoD. I loved my garrison, my garden, my shops. I liked the board game, leveling followers, equipping them. I really liked personal loot, flex raiding, loved all the raid and dungeon. WoD was a good time for me.
You are not alone. A small handful of players are trying to impose such an opinion on the community, based on the facts of ancient years, when mammoths were still alive.
WoD had really good content but not enough. If mythic plus had existed in WoD it would not be considered nearly as bad as people think it is. We just had nothing to do between raids
I think these classic progressive system is good for people who want to relive there favorite expansion, but for people who want a c+ , blizz is wasting there dev time and money.
That's exactly what we have too different paths. Even in a nightmare I can’t imagine myself in the old world and I’m glad that I waited for what I wanted.
That’s not how a company as big as Blizzard operates though. Classic+ is a multi-year effort and not something they can just throw together in a few months. If you want funding for Classic+, you have to accept that the expansions need to happen to keep the Classic team funded.
I just want something like SoD that adds to the classic experience but without the seasonal trash and retail pacing. I want the rpg experience but somewhat modernized, and that's it.
Ready for mop classic, was my favorite expansion and probably the most I’ve played the game. The content was great, every class was enjoyable to play, and had some of the best raids/pvp
"Classic" MoP...might as well say "incoming Classic War Within 2030"...People like to play X expansions for Y reasons I get that but I don't consider MoP (or Cata) as Classic what so ever and I won't play either of them. I am waiting for a proper made Classic plus and maybe play a classic fresh server in between as I (we) wait for C+ to come. For C+ to be successful you need a dedicated and passionated dev team or we'll just get a rushed out game with mostly reused content like SoD. I hear some ppl say "hope we get C+ early/mid next year". Be careful what you wish for. I do want to play C+ too but if we get it that early, that means very little time making it (good). BIG difference what ppl want and what is good for the game itself. Just saying.
Yea, cata was kinda like a halfway switchover, and then MoP switched it up with a new talent system and other changes. So I'd prob agree it goes past classic.... if classic era didn't stop with wotlk, then cata is prob a good end point. I still think it was a mistake to not leave atleast one server open for each xpac but whatever. I liked MoP tho, lots of stuff to do, cool world, class balance and design was pretty good. I played Enhancemnet Shaman so it was fun for me and hybrids in general got better with each xpac with less "hyrbid tax" or poor design. I might be in the minority here within the classic community, but I actually prefer the newer MoP version of talents with taeltn tiers of 3 talents each...... got plenty of old talents baseline, class/spec had alot baseline really, and the talents were simple to swap and you could customize on ur playstyle or the type of enemies u were facing. I think the newest version with the multi- branch talent trees is not good and a step back, because we lost all those baseline abilities and have to spend talents to get basic stuff like a dispel/cleanse, interrupt, cc, or whatever.... when it was baseline or trainable. That is poor design, but if they took the core talents away and made baseline again then the new talent trees would be okay.
Not interested in anything WoW related nowdays if it's not Classic. It being only vanilla or vanilla-tbc-wrath. SoD was not just a "test for Classic+" because it was not announced as that. Only when SoD was going downhill with P3, then devs said "ohh don't panic, just a test/seasonal". Also it's clear as day SoD was an attempt for us trying to like Retail again. Devs at some point said SoD was also a test for panda remix (aka retail). So SoD -> Cata -> MoP...how much more proof do people need that they try make us like Retail again because it's there they make more money. We want a proper made C+! :)
People shit on it but i'll play WoD classic if it happens, the raids were great, and Classic has increased the speed of which raids come out, so hopefully no long ass end of patch drought when they abandoned the expansion. I'll play MoP, I enjoyed it the first time round.
If they were spinning vanilla, tbс and wotlk in a circle, then I would quit this game, because I can't imagine anything more boring. Those who are dissatisfied with the development of wow after the wotlk do not understand that if everything had remained the same as before the cataclysm, then many new players would not have come to replace the old players. Firstly, old players had enough time to play the addons that they liked. Secondly, they were given the era and seasonal servers. Thirdly, no one said that they would never restart the servers from the very beginning. The problem with mammoths is that they cannot accept that newer players may have different preferences and these people themselves know what is best for them.
In my case, the first expansion I played was WotLK, and after several years and playing several expansions, it is my second favorite. R1 is MoP, it's just amazing, the lore, music, zones, new talent system, raids but mainly and specially its PvP, I just love it. Even paid my sub again some days ago just to prepare a character for MoP Classic.
Yeah, I don't even know if ill make it through cata at this point. im literally only playing to keep playing with my guild. I'm waiting for a classic plus
I'll play mop classic for one reason. To beat Kanrethad in the warlock green fire quest. Since I know there will never be a mop era server this will be my chance to play that scenario again. (Those who never did it, the questline ends with a one player scenario in a Black Temple instance where you use need to master your class skills). Kanrethrad I best at 502 ilvl which was ToT LFR level the same patch it was released. Some people were able to defeat him in lower ilvl due to purification potions. Best class quest I ever did in WoW.
Mop would have been much better if they doubled the content size and put a little more effort into raids and dungeons design, however the pvp and class rework was at the best WoW had ever been. Rogues probably needed a buff, but the addition of pet battles made this one of my favorite expansions even though it was definitely small compared to previous expansions.
Everyone has their own opinion. I dont like Vanila. My top expansions are wotlk, cata and MoP. And enjoyed them all. Top one is MoP for me, after that is just not playable.
I am really looking forward to MoP classic, MoP is my favorite expansion of all time (and I started playing in vanilla), and I can't wait to get to play my panda monk again.
MoP is actually my all time favorite expansion because of the pve content and the class design. Absolute peak imo. And i also think a WoD classic would work fine at an accelerated pace. The leveling and the world are excellent and the raids are phenomenal. Also gladiator warrior
Absolutely will play MoP Classic. It better have a good launch though. I stopped playing Cata Classic because of the launch issues. Only now playing again. I loved Mop Remix and want to live in that world again but with the MoP style classes.
Looking forward to MoP classic. Also WoD Classic would probably hit really hard with a much better timeline than the original WoW. Content drought was the biggest gripe about WoD (that and people living in their garrisons).
the point of classic was the systems and gameplay during the first few expacs, the game is experiencing the same problems during this 're-release' that it did back in the day. so dumb
I think they should stop adding expansions on the one classic server and just make other classic servers for each expansion. I thought that was the plan from the start because they did that with vanilla and TBC, but they just kept adding to the TBC server.
i have to say I ABSOLUTELY LOVE MOP i"m literally losing my mind right now, i absolutely loved the pandaren in wc3 and i'm a huge fan of Kung Fu panda, i can't wait to get into Pandaria again, i"ll even make a new account for that, would play MoP every time again, it was just too good for me, aaaaaaaaaaaaa, i hope it will be the exact same like back then when it launched, i was to afraid to ruin my memorys to play MoP remix, pls MoP classic... y.y.
Its not bullshit, cata is currently in firelands waiting mode and both my guilds have been on break for a couple weeks and yet its numbers are higher then sod. You classic+ enjoyers need to stop being so ignorant and full of shit. Classic+ has been pretty much confirmed, stop telling people what to like
I enjoyed MoP, even the tier talent system grew on me since it was easy to change urr spec or talents, and got plenty of old talents/passives/spells baseline for ur class/spec. I think a year until it comes out seems reasonable. Blizz has to worry about canablizing their own playerbase with too many game modes, and I'm sure they got more plans for SoD/classic+ as well as retail wow, so keeping players in cata for a while, year or so, seems like a good idea. Had this convo with another poster but I'm not even sure if MoP classic era is a good idea and mebbe just stop with cata.... since mop did change a few things including new talent tier system, that puts an end to the "classic" style for talents and class builds. The tier talent system again, I enjoyed but some didn't like it..... even tho it was a positive overal... and I think the new multi-branch talent tees suck in current state cause we lost all those abilities we got from old talents put baselinef or ur class/spec in MoP. So having to spend a talent point on core class stuff like ur interrupt, dispel/cleanse, CC, ect is just stupid when it used to just come iwtht he class/spec or be trained easily. I liked the tier system for the simplicity, seems easier to balance and u have some room for variety or builds with talent synergy.... or catered to ur playstyle (take mroe passive talents for a simpler easier rotation) or what enemies u face (like aoe/utility talents for dungeon trash, btu single target stufff for the boss).
I'm not hyped at all for mop, but I'll play it if that is the best option us classic players have because I still love my classic characters. Pandas suck ass
@@Quadromil4 Wasn't looking for responses, but seeing as how you like to I'll just say this. Pandaria is not Classic, neither was Cata. This is just a money grab (much like TBC/Wotlk/Cata) at this point and you are falling for it. :D
@@grinchygamed657 Let's imagine that you don't like pears, but you like apples. Would it be appropriate to say that pears are something useless and no one needs just because you personally don’t like them?
Remix wasnt anything like mop.. it was a rush for currency, get cosmetics GAMEMODE with retail systems, talents and spells. Comparing remix to an actual wow classic mop experience is silly
WTH is with blizzard? They are redefining the word classic. Pretty soon classic cars will be a 2022 model if blizzard had their way. I might never come back even if they add classic plus I’m too hooked on turtle wow at this point.
MoP is my least favourite expansion that blizzard put out until shadowlands (can´t judge dragonflight or the war within, stopped playing current in shadowlands, only played classic casually since then).
I sometimes don't understand your audience. They vehemently hate Cataclysm, they think MoP is dead on arrival. Yet when you look at SoD, it's literally Retail + Classic vanilla combined. Everything about SoD is made better due to classes being more interesting, having more systems embedded into the player experience etc. Yet everytime people are on their high horse, yelling that every expansion after Vanilla is dead on arrival. I've literally been reading these types of posts ever since the end of 2019 Classic. Yet the audiences for SoD and Cata are about equal, and both are massively eclipsed by Retail. And instead of being happy Classic has an audience, regardless of which version, be it Era, Sod or Cata. Everyone collectively just shits on one another.
Our gaming preferences are too different. I even understand these people who don’t like the cataclysm and the following addons, because no matter what modern spells and abilities are added to sod, I still haven’t spent a second in it, because I’m tired of the old world and avoid everything that reminds me of me about him. Also, these people are mistaken when they say that retail already exists for people like me, completely not understanding the difference between addons and their uniqueness.
Aint no way they are going with bfa and sl classic 😂 its even a joke to talk about a wod classic, they should just merge the classic chars to retail and start a new progression classic server
I HATED MoP because of what they did with the talent trees. Blizzard got LAZY and didn't want to do proper balancing in their game and made a stupid decision to change them. I left during MoP and I'm happy I did
They know that players are too different and it is impossible to please everyone. On the one hand, they have fans of addons that have not yet been released, and on the other hand, fans who have recently played their favorite addons. They are betting on those who have not eaten yet and this is the right choice.
Only good thing about mop is that arena was super good for all specs. But the population will be bad and so will the arena pool of players. Im done with official wow classic and enjoying the game on warmane. Warmane best servers
Its not even fun, how popular is cata compared to how hyped wotlk, tbc and classic was, every one i know have quit, its like exactly how it whent back then. Cata was the downfall and its shows in realtime
They are working on sod like crazy, thats your classic+ devtime. Its the beta, if youre not enjoying sod then sorry buddy, you will get your hopes crushed
@@Followtheham yes and im telling you sod is the classic+ beta. Classic+ will look a lot like sod, if you dont like sod as it is you may not be happy with what classic+ will look like
Cata can't be saved it has killed wow again. Modern cata classic was so bugged that was so funny that blizzard did not care about mechanics. Reworking fire elemental is one of the best examples.
Now that Catta Classic is completely dead, I see no reason why it should be any different in MoP. They will get a maximum of one server full. I don't understand why they give a complete fuck about the community every time xD.
Are you high? No one asked for classic after wrath. But they still gave us cata, so now they have to drop mop too. And mop is way better than wrath and cata. If they would listen to the community we would already have classic plus, era fresh and retail wouldnt be that pathetic joke that it is. So no one is listening to the people at Blizzard, they only listen to shareholders.
@@Linus1871 “Nobody asked for classic after wotlk,” but one hundred thousand people continue to play cataclysm even though the raids haven’t changed for five months. People have too rich imagination. xD
@@Quadromil4 Are you actually pretending like people were exited about it? Its just quite some people prefer playing cata over retail. But that says more about retail than cata. 😆
00:14 "We're going directly into MoP Classic, and this isn't me pulling smoke out of my ass. We know it's coming for sure." Show me where it's confirmed. And no, i dont want your datamined leaks, I want to see a blue post about it. Also, they shouldve stopped after wrath. We played MoP remix, so personally i've had my fill of mop and wont be playing it if it does come out. Would much rather play a Classic Era Fresh than more of these 'classic' expansions. Just tie previous expansions in with remix.
Original wow player since 2004 in case that makes a difference to anyone but here is how I feel after going back and revisiting vanilla-Cata. I do feel that WOTLK is maybe the worst era even though it has some of my fav story. Back end system changes just kind of killed it. BC will always be my fav but so far I’ve had the most fun with Cata. Maybe it’s because I had no expectations going into it but it’s a blast. So far. I would have enjoyed vanilla far more but I couldn’t get my friends to play it very much and I couldn’t find a group.
I really wished they saw with remix that that would be the format going forward for classic mop and beyond. And for the classic guys just classic + with more crazy shit
Lvl a new character in MOP and you'll immediately notice the difference. The whole new player experience is scripted. The dangerous world is no more. You are a literal god who can handle 5+ mobs at a time without a sweat. The original talent tree is gone. Watching Teletubbies is more fun than this shit. No thanks.
They do what other players ask for and I like it. The time has come for other players. You certainly have the right to wait and ask for an alternative for yourself. I'm happy.
The addons you like are definitely more classic, but the name doesn't matter much and the content is important. The cataclysm and after it have many fans for whom it doesn’t matter whether they are formally classified as classics, but the important thing is that they will be launched on our servers and we will have the opportunity to play them.
Anything beyond Wrath is not Classic. Even by the devs own definition of what made vanilla wow, vanilla. But it should come as no surprise to anyone that Activision walks back on their own words, just like how they said Cata "Classic" was gonna have a faster phase cadence, look how that aged.
The stupid panda thing was it for me. I have not played it since. Not at all surprised to see that they are doing the same stupid shit that started the fall.
MoP is the best pvp expansion i have ever played, and it definetily has some of the best raids ever. I cant wait to explore the super flourished class design, that i love, in MoP.
cant wait for the war within classic!
or the (i think im not hyperbolic) 21 th release of the world of skyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyrim . soon SKYRIM VANILLAAAAAAAAAAH
I see wow in 4 "eras". 1) Vanilla to Wotlk 2) Cata to Legion 3) BFA+SL 4) DF + TWW....I much prefer that first era
I would make a couple adjustments:
Vanilla to Cata (classic era): before all of the modern designs and systems, no treadmill content
MoP/WoD (experimental design era): this era laid the foundation for retail systems with flex raids and challenge content
Legion-SL (borrowed power era): mythic+ became the focus of the game with grindy power systems
DF/TWW (modern retail): Blizzard basically trashed all older designs and re-built core systems of the game
I haven't tried everything, but after trying the first one, I definitely realized that no no no.
i feel like BFA-TWW are the same era imo.
2nd era was the best imo. Enough quality of life things with the community being alive.
have not actively played retail since february 2019.
I played a lot of vanilla classic for its first 3 months, then on and off over a year after that. I only played the last 3 months of BC Classic and did enjoy it, but did not experience the last raid, which is fine because I missed all the raids in real BC due to the terrible guilds/server I was on at the time. WOTLK classic I played day one and leveled through most of the zones, but stopped before ice crown and never made it to raiding. I was not necessarily bored, but rather I was promoted to a software engineer 3 at work and focused on my job rather than play the game. Earlier this year I did play most of the first leveling zone of cata, but never picked it up due to other things going on in my life. Which is a shame, because I feel im one of the few who actually truly enjoyed cata back in the day.
0 interest. If it’s not classic plus, I don’t care about it at this point and I’d rather just play another game than keep replaying all the expansions that in my opinion destroyed wow.
I would rather play them all as remixes in retail tbh.
I really hope they announce classic plus
I agree with you on this. Mop remix was fun. I didn't play too much but I liked it.
Well said. 100% agree.
I am playing a cpl of other games as we speak as I (we) wait for C+ to come or maybe a classic fresh server in between waiting for it.
I stopped playing SoD in mid/late Phase 3 as it killed all the hype and fun for me with a long bad phase with incursions and what not.
Since it's a seasonal server and we already played vanilla, plus classic 2019 (plus priv servers) I don't need to do the same bosses again with wrath/retail abilities, reused content.
Turtle wow is the best choice as i see. Even the community in there is better
Agree man classic + is all we want
Can't wait for Warlords of Draenor Classic
Actually, same. WoD still to this day has some really awesome content and world building that could be improved with a second chance.
This but unironically. "Oh no, a 40 year old DAD can use his garrison to get extra resources and ignore the non-existent RP of the city". I think things have changed so much that many of the critiques of WOD will be virtually non-exist when it comes out.
Looking forward to dragonflight classic personally
They will make it more retailish than cata for sure. Their goal is gathering the all community in retail
@@MikeyJ232 It can also be on a much shorter lifecycle
I'm one of the 3 people in the world that actually enjoyed WoD. I loved my garrison, my garden, my shops. I liked the board game, leveling followers, equipping them. I really liked personal loot, flex raiding, loved all the raid and dungeon. WoD was a good time for me.
No worries Iam the only one who thinks Classic WoW was absolutely garbage😂
You are not alone. A small handful of players are trying to impose such an opinion on the community, based on the facts of ancient years, when mammoths were still alive.
just go play farming simulator if you miss your shitty garrison.
WoD had really good content but not enough. If mythic plus had existed in WoD it would not be considered nearly as bad as people think it is. We just had nothing to do between raids
I think these classic progressive system is good for people who want to relive there favorite expansion, but for people who want a c+ , blizz is wasting there dev time and money.
Just Play twow lol Blizzard could never get Close to what twow has created
@@Magechad Twow is amazing, i'm having a blast, however I still hope there will be someday an high quality official c+ from blizzard.
That's exactly what we have too different paths. Even in a nightmare I can’t imagine myself in the old world and I’m glad that I waited for what I wanted.
That’s not how a company as big as Blizzard operates though. Classic+ is a multi-year effort and not something they can just throw together in a few months.
If you want funding for Classic+, you have to accept that the expansions need to happen to keep the Classic team funded.
@@Quadromil4Because Classic+ and Era don’t make them any money. MoP however would.
TWW CLASSIC LESS GOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just want something like SoD that adds to the classic experience but without the seasonal trash and retail pacing. I want the rpg experience but somewhat modernized, and that's it.
Ready for mop classic, was my favorite expansion and probably the most I’ve played the game. The content was great, every class was enjoyable to play, and had some of the best raids/pvp
"Classic" MoP...might as well say "incoming Classic War Within 2030"...People like to play X expansions for Y reasons I get that but I don't consider MoP (or Cata) as Classic what so ever and I won't play either of them. I am waiting for a proper made Classic plus and maybe play a classic fresh server in between as I (we) wait for C+ to come. For C+ to be successful you need a dedicated and passionated dev team or we'll just get a rushed out game with mostly reused content like SoD. I hear some ppl say "hope we get C+ early/mid next year". Be careful what you wish for. I do want to play C+ too but if we get it that early, that means very little time making it (good). BIG difference what ppl want and what is good for the game itself. Just saying.
Yea, cata was kinda like a halfway switchover, and then MoP switched it up with a new talent system and other changes. So I'd prob agree it goes past classic.... if classic era didn't stop with wotlk, then cata is prob a good end point. I still think it was a mistake to not leave atleast one server open for each xpac but whatever.
I liked MoP tho, lots of stuff to do, cool world, class balance and design was pretty good. I played Enhancemnet Shaman so it was fun for me and hybrids in general got better with each xpac with less "hyrbid tax" or poor design. I might be in the minority here within the classic community, but I actually prefer the newer MoP version of talents with taeltn tiers of 3 talents each...... got plenty of old talents baseline, class/spec had alot baseline really, and the talents were simple to swap and you could customize on ur playstyle or the type of enemies u were facing. I think the newest version with the multi- branch talent trees is not good and a step back, because we lost all those baseline abilities and have to spend talents to get basic stuff like a dispel/cleanse, interrupt, cc, or whatever.... when it was baseline or trainable. That is poor design, but if they took the core talents away and made baseline again then the new talent trees would be okay.
Siege of Org was very well done. And yes, MoP arena.
Not interested in anything WoW related nowdays if it's not Classic. It being only vanilla or vanilla-tbc-wrath.
SoD was not just a "test for Classic+" because it was not announced as that. Only when SoD was going downhill with P3, then devs said "ohh don't panic, just a test/seasonal".
Also it's clear as day SoD was an attempt for us trying to like Retail again. Devs at some point said SoD was also a test for panda remix (aka retail).
So SoD -> Cata -> MoP...how much more proof do people need that they try make us like Retail again because it's there they make more money. We want a proper made C+! :)
People shit on it but i'll play WoD classic if it happens, the raids were great, and Classic has increased the speed of which raids come out, so hopefully no long ass end of patch drought when they abandoned the expansion.
I'll play MoP, I enjoyed it the first time round.
Mop dungeons are erased from my brain for some reason. All I remember are lots of story cutaway scenes
I have been enjoying myself a lot in Cata and will definitely play MoP when/if it comes out.
If they were spinning vanilla, tbс and wotlk in a circle, then I would quit this game, because I can't imagine anything more boring. Those who are dissatisfied with the development of wow after the wotlk do not understand that if everything had remained the same as before the cataclysm, then many new players would not have come to replace the old players. Firstly, old players had enough time to play the addons that they liked. Secondly, they were given the era and seasonal servers. Thirdly, no one said that they would never restart the servers from the very beginning. The problem with mammoths is that they cannot accept that newer players may have different preferences and these people themselves know what is best for them.
I'd come back to the game to play MOP. It looks like an interesting expansion, I like the aesthetics even though they're alien to the fantasy genre.
In my case, the first expansion I played was WotLK, and after several years and playing several expansions, it is my second favorite. R1 is MoP, it's just amazing, the lore, music, zones, new talent system, raids but mainly and specially its PvP, I just love it. Even paid my sub again some days ago just to prepare a character for MoP Classic.
I think the talent system change is the one thing I am not looking forward to, but otherwise I'm still keen as mustard for MoP classic.
Yeah, I don't even know if ill make it through cata at this point. im literally only playing to keep playing with my guild. I'm waiting for a classic plus
I'll play mop classic for one reason. To beat Kanrethad in the warlock green fire quest. Since I know there will never be a mop era server this will be my chance to play that scenario again. (Those who never did it, the questline ends with a one player scenario in a Black Temple instance where you use need to master your class skills). Kanrethrad I best at 502 ilvl which was ToT LFR level the same patch it was released. Some people were able to defeat him in lower ilvl due to purification potions. Best class quest I ever did in WoW.
Mop would have been much better if they doubled the content size and put a little more effort into raids and dungeons design, however the pvp and class rework was at the best WoW had ever been. Rogues probably needed a buff, but the addition of pet battles made this one of my favorite expansions even though it was definitely small compared to previous expansions.
Couldn't be less hyped about MoP. It's not Classic and it's not good
Its better than cata and wrath.
Everyone has their own opinion. I dont like Vanila. My top expansions are wotlk, cata and MoP. And enjoyed them all. Top one is MoP for me, after that is just not playable.
Best comment i have seen here. Yes it is not classic anymore. We need the vanilla back
I definitely don’t like everything that happened before the cataclysm. The rest I either like or really want to try.
You're definitely not a PvPer.
I hated mop when I watched trailer back in the days,but expansion itself was rly good, and I enjoyed playing it, for me better then cata.
mop is was so good. season 15 pvp was the best pvp we ever had
I am really looking forward to MoP classic, MoP is my favorite expansion of all time (and I started playing in vanilla), and I can't wait to get to play my panda monk again.
MoP is fire! 🔥🔥
Please put it out 🥶🥶🥶💀💀
I played MOP remix and I feel like that was enough for me. I think I'll just keep playing TWW and getting my mythics done!
MoP is actually my all time favorite expansion because of the pve content and the class design. Absolute peak imo. And i also think a WoD classic would work fine at an accelerated pace. The leveling and the world are excellent and the raids are phenomenal. Also gladiator warrior
In 2011, Blizzard made me quit WoW with Cataclysm. In 2024, Blizzard again made me quit WoW again because of Cataclysm. 10/10 true vanilla experience
Absolutely will play MoP Classic. It better have a good launch though. I stopped playing Cata Classic because of the launch issues. Only now playing again. I loved Mop Remix and want to live in that world again but with the MoP style classes.
Looking forward to MoP classic. Also WoD Classic would probably hit really hard with a much better timeline than the original WoW. Content drought was the biggest gripe about WoD (that and people living in their garrisons).
MoP was great, better than Cata.. happy to do it again.
Honestly mop classic has been what I've hoped for ever since they went past vanilla. I absolutely loved mop and I can't wait to play it again.
the point of classic was the systems and gameplay during the first few expacs, the game is experiencing the same problems during this 're-release' that it did back in the day. so dumb
I think they should stop adding expansions on the one classic server and just make other classic servers for each expansion. I thought that was the plan from the start because they did that with vanilla and TBC, but they just kept adding to the TBC server.
i have to say I ABSOLUTELY LOVE MOP i"m literally losing my mind right now, i absolutely loved the pandaren in wc3 and i'm a huge fan of Kung Fu panda, i can't wait to get into Pandaria again, i"ll even make a new account for that, would play MoP every time again, it was just too good for me, aaaaaaaaaaaaa, i hope it will be the exact same like back then when it launched, i was to afraid to ruin my memorys to play MoP remix, pls MoP classic... y.y.
Dead on arrival cataclysm should have told everyone what they needed to know
i dont play cata and dont really like it but people that say cata is dead is pure cope.... it still has 100k+ raiders a week
@@snuggles3277that's bullshit xD
@@snuggles3277 In a month it will be 2-3 times more. Check!
Its not bullshit, cata is currently in firelands waiting mode and both my guilds have been on break for a couple weeks and yet its numbers are higher then sod. You classic+ enjoyers need to stop being so ignorant and full of shit. Classic+ has been pretty much confirmed, stop telling people what to like
If MoP returns to WoW Classic I would play it again 100%.
At this rate, we're gonna get The Last Titan Classic before we get it on retail
Fml. Just have Retail with former expansion remixes and Classic Plus/Progressive (yes, even Hardcore should be included here like in Turtle WoW).
Retail is too homogenized & cartoony
I enjoyed MoP, even the tier talent system grew on me since it was easy to change urr spec or talents, and got plenty of old talents/passives/spells baseline for ur class/spec. I think a year until it comes out seems reasonable. Blizz has to worry about canablizing their own playerbase with too many game modes, and I'm sure they got more plans for SoD/classic+ as well as retail wow, so keeping players in cata for a while, year or so, seems like a good idea.
Had this convo with another poster but I'm not even sure if MoP classic era is a good idea and mebbe just stop with cata.... since mop did change a few things including new talent tier system, that puts an end to the "classic" style for talents and class builds. The tier talent system again, I enjoyed but some didn't like it..... even tho it was a positive overal... and I think the new multi-branch talent tees suck in current state cause we lost all those abilities we got from old talents put baselinef or ur class/spec in MoP. So having to spend a talent point on core class stuff like ur interrupt, dispel/cleanse, CC, ect is just stupid when it used to just come iwtht he class/spec or be trained easily. I liked the tier system for the simplicity, seems easier to balance and u have some room for variety or builds with talent synergy.... or catered to ur playstyle (take mroe passive talents for a simpler easier rotation) or what enemies u face (like aoe/utility talents for dungeon trash, btu single target stufff for the boss).
I'm not hyped at all for mop, but I'll play it if that is the best option us classic players have because I still love my classic characters. Pandas suck ass
pandaria is where they went from warcraft to pixar
0 interest, Vanilla/TBC/Wotlk is classic.
We can cope without you. Everything will be fine.
@@Quadromil4 Wasn't looking for responses, but seeing as how you like to I'll just say this. Pandaria is not Classic, neither was Cata. This is just a money grab (much like TBC/Wotlk/Cata) at this point and you are falling for it. :D
@@grinchygamed657 Let's imagine that you don't like pears, but you like apples. Would it be appropriate to say that pears are something useless and no one needs just because you personally don’t like them?
@@Quadromil4 Your argument is invalid. Please keep typing though! :)
Stopped playing in WotlK classic and wont return until classic plus or fresh launches.
i am so excited for mop, i dunno how far i am going on the classic train, maybe wod? but mop is in my opinion the best expansion in wow`s history
I only level a char for mop lol.
Haven't they played it out with remix 😅?
Remix wasnt anything like mop.. it was a rush for currency, get cosmetics GAMEMODE with retail systems, talents and spells. Comparing remix to an actual wow classic mop experience is silly
Not interested. Really hoping for tbc and wotlk era realms!
Wow mop classic I'm so hype to play another remake
It's not classic but I will play it 😀
WTH is with blizzard? They are redefining the word classic. Pretty soon classic cars will be a 2022 model if blizzard had their way. I might never come back even if they add classic plus I’m too hooked on turtle wow at this point.
Don't worry about it. Other players have come and a hundred thousand characters are now playing during the most difficult period during the cataclysm.
no , god no! mop classic?!?!!? hell no
Mop was so great everyone i knew quit less than half way thru
MoP is my least favourite expansion that blizzard put out until shadowlands (can´t judge dragonflight or the war within, stopped playing current in shadowlands, only played classic casually since then).
How do you know this?
I sometimes don't understand your audience. They vehemently hate Cataclysm, they think MoP is dead on arrival. Yet when you look at SoD, it's literally Retail + Classic vanilla combined. Everything about SoD is made better due to classes being more interesting, having more systems embedded into the player experience etc. Yet everytime people are on their high horse, yelling that every expansion after Vanilla is dead on arrival. I've literally been reading these types of posts ever since the end of 2019 Classic. Yet the audiences for SoD and Cata are about equal, and both are massively eclipsed by Retail. And instead of being happy Classic has an audience, regardless of which version, be it Era, Sod or Cata. Everyone collectively just shits on one another.
Ppl subconsciously think that by shitting on one version they will influence players to leave it for the version they're playing
Some people just like to complain *shrug*
Our gaming preferences are too different. I even understand these people who don’t like the cataclysm and the following addons, because no matter what modern spells and abilities are added to sod, I still haven’t spent a second in it, because I’m tired of the old world and avoid everything that reminds me of me about him. Also, these people are mistaken when they say that retail already exists for people like me, completely not understanding the difference between addons and their uniqueness.
The title of this video is absolutely insane 😂
Aint no way they are going with bfa and sl classic 😂 its even a joke to talk about a wod classic, they should just merge the classic chars to retail and start a new progression classic server
yes ofc you got a survey😂 like nixxiom the collectors edition
I HATED MoP because of what they did with the talent trees. Blizzard got LAZY and didn't want to do proper balancing in their game and made a stupid decision to change them. I left during MoP and I'm happy I did
Someone leaves, and someone comes. This is fine.
I like that they sent out a survey, and then proceed to completely ignore the feedback....
They know that players are too different and it is impossible to please everyone. On the one hand, they have fans of addons that have not yet been released, and on the other hand, fans who have recently played their favorite addons. They are betting on those who have not eaten yet and this is the right choice.
Can’t wait for TWW classic
Only good thing about mop is that arena was super good for all specs. But the population will be bad and so will the arena pool of players. Im done with official wow classic and enjoying the game on warmane. Warmane best servers
Jesus christ your stupid warmane server has like a 10th of official server populations lmao. Just say youre poor
Its not even fun, how popular is cata compared to how hyped wotlk, tbc and classic was, every one i know have quit, its like exactly how it whent back then. Cata was the downfall and its shows in realtime
MOP.....well back to the private wotlk servers again i was in hope you could stay on the classic expansion of choice but i guess i had big dreams.
They need to spend more time on classic+.....
But glad for ppl who enjoy mop
They are working on sod like crazy, thats your classic+ devtime. Its the beta, if youre not enjoying sod then sorry buddy, you will get your hopes crushed
@@saschaaah im playing sod, but its more like retail than classic, players are to powerful.
@@Followtheham yes and im telling you sod is the classic+ beta. Classic+ will look a lot like sod, if you dont like sod as it is you may not be happy with what classic+ will look like
I quit wow because of original MoP.
I did MoP remix.
I have 0 interest in MoP classic.
Oh Look another xpac perfect for a shop
Cata can't be saved it has killed wow again. Modern cata classic was so bugged that was so funny that blizzard did not care about mechanics. Reworking fire elemental is one of the best examples.
I've been playing since release and without interruption. I don't see any problems.
Do you play a class with pet?
You have not experienced bugged magmaw or council ?
Now that Catta Classic is completely dead, I see no reason why it should be any different in MoP.
They will get a maximum of one server full. I don't understand why they give a complete fuck about the community every time xD.
Are you high? No one asked for classic after wrath. But they still gave us cata, so now they have to drop mop too. And mop is way better than wrath and cata. If they would listen to the community we would already have classic plus, era fresh and retail wouldnt be that pathetic joke that it is. So no one is listening to the people at Blizzard, they only listen to shareholders.
@@Linus1871 “Nobody asked for classic after wotlk,” but one hundred thousand people continue to play cataclysm even though the raids haven’t changed for five months. People have too rich imagination. xD
@@Quadromil4 Are you actually pretending like people were exited about it? Its just quite some people prefer playing cata over retail. But that says more about retail than cata. 😆
What's the deal with the whole classic situation, it's like wow hunting its tail 😮 plus who cares about this 2012 1st April joke pandaria.
00:14 "We're going directly into MoP Classic, and this isn't me pulling smoke out of my ass. We know it's coming for sure." Show me where it's confirmed. And no, i dont want your datamined leaks, I want to see a blue post about it.
Also, they shouldve stopped after wrath. We played MoP remix, so personally i've had my fill of mop and wont be playing it if it does come out. Would much rather play a Classic Era Fresh than more of these 'classic' expansions. Just tie previous expansions in with remix.
Release old games why
mop was by far the best wow expansion if you disagree you were probably just bad at the game
Oh I agree 100%.
I myself love MoP
Original wow player since 2004 in case that makes a difference to anyone but here is how I feel after going back and revisiting vanilla-Cata. I do feel that WOTLK is maybe the worst era even though it has some of my fav story. Back end system changes just kind of killed it. BC will always be my fav but so far I’ve had the most fun with Cata. Maybe it’s because I had no expectations going into it but it’s a blast. So far. I would have enjoyed vanilla far more but I couldn’t get my friends to play it very much and I couldn’t find a group.
Mop classic sounds terrible. But I can’t wait for ppl to play it again and finally stfu about how great it was. It was not.
They will play it enough, and then those people will appear who will ask for the next addons. This is fine.
anything beyond Wrath is not classic. It's a cash grab disguised as a reboot of older game versions and you should feel bad for promoting it.
This is meant for other people. Just accept this fact.
Please no, nobody needs mop
Do you know what all people want? Wake up!
@@Quadromil4 I know what nobody needs and want - mop
I really wished they saw with remix that that would be the format going forward for classic mop and beyond. And for the classic guys just classic + with more crazy shit
If you think that the classical community has a single opinion, then you are greatly mistaken.
Lvl a new character in MOP and you'll immediately notice the difference. The whole new player experience is scripted. The dangerous world is no more. You are a literal god who can handle 5+ mobs at a time without a sweat. The original talent tree is gone. Watching Teletubbies is more fun than this shit. No thanks.
That's been the case since WOTLK, but definitely by Cata.
You have absolutely no idea why people continue to play cataclysm. Your arguments speak to this.
we want classsic +, not this shiet
Wod classic!!
This guy is a shill
ok, whatever
history repeats itself. they have no idea what they are doing. just give us classic + and good retail content and classic saga repeats.
They do what other players ask for and I like it. The time has come for other players. You certainly have the right to wait and ask for an alternative for yourself. I'm happy.
WOLK was really the last expation that would be considered classic. MOP was the first time I unsubed from wow.
The addons you like are definitely more classic, but the name doesn't matter much and the content is important. The cataclysm and after it have many fans for whom it doesn’t matter whether they are formally classified as classics, but the important thing is that they will be launched on our servers and we will have the opportunity to play them.
lol pandas
Anything beyond Wrath is not Classic. Even by the devs own definition of what made vanilla wow, vanilla. But it should come as no surprise to anyone that Activision walks back on their own words, just like how they said Cata "Classic" was gonna have a faster phase cadence, look how that aged.
It's impossible to please everyone. I like everything.
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The stupid panda thing was it for me. I have not played it since. Not at all surprised to see that they are doing the same stupid shit that started the fall.
Are you suggesting that you don’t give a damn about the interests of other fans who have not yet received their favorite addon?