2022 Rivian R1S | Talking Cars with Consumer Reports
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Find out more about the Rivian R1S at: www.consumerreports.org/cars/...
CR recently took delivery of the 2022 Rivian R1S we purchased for testing at our track. We share our first impressions of this all-electric 3-row SUV, and how it compares to the other major three-row EVs on the market, the Tesla Model X, and well as its pickup truck sibling, the Rivian R1T. We also help a viewer search for a truck that is more fuel efficient than a Toyota Highlander, but also can tow 5,000 lbs - does such a vehicle actually exist??
SHOW NOTES
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00:00 - Introduction
00:16 - Highlights: 2022 Rivian R1S
02:15 - Who Are The Competitors
04:44 - Unique Features
08:14 - The Power
12:47 - Regenerative Braking
17:42 - Driving Dynamics
19:49 - The Ride
20:30 - The Controls
24:17 - Question - Does a reliable and fuel efficient midsize SUV that can tow 5k pounds exist?
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First Drive: Rivian R1S Proves to Be a Roomy, Quick All-Electric Three-Row SUV
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2022 Rivian R1T Electric Pickup Truck Wows Us as It Lives Up to the Hype
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2023 Rivian R1T
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How Well Can an Electric Pickup Truck Tow?
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2023 Tesla Model X
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Longer 2024 Toyota Grand Highlander Boasts Big Power
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2023 Toyota Highlander
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Guide to Car Safety
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As an R1T owner for almost a year, I'm confounded by comments of jerky driving and excessive regeneration. Have no issue driving the vehicle smoothly, and neither has anyone I've lent the vehicle to who has driven it for more than a few minutes. Also, the quad motor R1S has a 0-60 of 3.0, not 4 seconds, and it's EPA rated for 321 miles (software updated from the '22 number you quote), and this is in all-purpose mode - have seen much greater range in conserve. The negativity is astounding as a long-timer viewer of your channel.
Yeah, I've had the truck for a month now and I could agree with their opinion for the first 2 minutes I drove the vehicle. Beyond that initial learning curve, it's been smooth as silk. For reference, this is also my first EV, so one pedal driving was not second nature ahead of ownership. Anyway, odd comments from a driving centric forum.
okay lets try not to get ass hurt that other people don't love the car you drive as much as you
Agreed, I feel like their comments are entirely off-base stating that there are no downsides to turning regen breaking off. The only point I agreed with was the brake lights coming on during regen.
Completely agree. You just have to get used to how to use your "gass" pedal.
@@JamesDornbos Regen doesn’t turn on the brake lights when used lightly for a longer stop. There is a set point built into the car. If you exceed that level of braking, brake lights come on. You can see this on the screen, the avatar of the car will show when the brake lights are on.
The first EV I had ever driven was an R1T. It took 5 minutes to figure out the regen, and now it is as smooth as anything else.
Never heard car guys complain about a vehicle being too fast.
I did a test drive of the R1S in February. First time ever driving an EV. After a few minutes I got the hang of it. I feel like if you can't figure out how to drive the R1S without making your passengers sick maybe driving isn't really your thing.
Exactly
Wow guys, you sound like this is the first time you drove an EV. One pedal driving is one of the main benefits of buying an EV in the first place and as a matter of fact you drive more smoothly using the acceleration pedal only versus hitting acceleration - break - acceleration😂
The old guy hates this SUV. Sure, the bluetooth speaker, flashlight, and air compressor are not expensive, but I don't seriously think any of those are the sole reason someone would buy this. It's like if someone was considering a Rolls-Royce with its umbrella in the door, but then said, "Well, I decided I could buy a $10 umbrella at Wal-mart so I bought the Chevy Spark instead." The little features should be praised for paying attention to details, not derided for having cheap alternatives. If you don't feel something from 0-60 mph in 4 seconds, then you should be checked by a neurologist.
Agreed. We are 7 months with our R1S and absolutely love the next day more with it.
Listening to a couple of these comments, it is clear that someone moved their cheese. Get with the times.
And without regen being compulsory, you’d need brake pads every year. It takes a couple of hours to get used to and you’d wonder how you drove any other way. I haven’t touched the brakes more than 4 times since September,
Overpriced...the three row Kia will be about 60k
@@timstrobel9220 3 row Kia is going to be a great family mover but the Rivian is an adventure vehicle, built like a tank and significantly outperforms it offroad and on.
I drive my R1s without any issues. It took about 10 days of daily driving to train my foot, but I love it. I use my brakes about 1% of the time. 3 months and over 3k miles.
Say what you want.... The R1T and R1S are amazing machines.
Jake is just a weird dude...The R1's are simply amazing. Also, mine is 0-60 in 3.0 sec every time with the 22's, none are 4.0 sec. Jake, go back to your VW Bug from 1964. Regen by the way is amazing. Drive one for a week and you'll want nothing else. Regen is jerky if you are not used to EV's. One pedal is the Way!
Totally agree!
If you’re watching this to see if a rivian is right for you, please search other reviews to get a second opinion. These guys found a way to complain about much about nothing, even the positive traits…
Would love to try one! Great review!
Consumer Report winging it, guessing car specs. Imagine that!
I enjoy the one pedal driving personally. My ramp up was less than an hour (I was on a 8 hour drive) and I immediately liked it. I can see how some may find issue with it but I loved it and while that vehicle was a rental I can't wait to get my first EV vehicle.
I think they hit the nail on the head with the Tesla screen comparison, people just get used to things, even if they seem fiddly at first. Eventually, if screens become the norm for vehicle settings and basic operations, drivers will just slowly get used to knowing which menu has which settings, which category has which item they want, etc. If there is a ton of variation in how things are organized automaker to automaker, that could be an issue. So there should be some standardization in UX design if there isn’t already.
The fact that we’re numb to an $80,000 car is crazy.
You guys obviously can’t adapt to change. The one pedal driving becomes intuitive in a matter of minutes. Anyone who drives my Rivian handles it beautifully and smoothly and loves how it handles.
Check the IIHS rating for the 2023, very surprising given the size and weight.
BMW X5 PHEV can tow 5k+. Something to consider for Scott.
Home work for Jake...research Rivian...many of the engineers came from McLaren. The suspension is straight off a 720S.
What about a more recent used (V6) Highlander? Feature upgrades from the 2013, presumably less mileage, and similar fuel usage.
That vehicle looks like the future.
Leave it to CR to try to find a way to make BEV's less efficient, do away with regen, drive in snow mode. Granted, I am a Tesla Model 3 driver but: I disagree with the notion that regen should be adjusted constantly. First you indicate you struggle to use it, because you can't gauge when it's going to stop then you insist on adjusting it constantly, so that you will never be able to gauge how fast it will stop. I have no problem with my non-adjustable regen gauging when it's going to stop. I am sure regular Rivian owners will find the same. Also constantly amazed at CR's total inability to use a driver profile. I never have to adjust my steering wheel and mirrors, because they are part of my driver profile. Even after another user drives my car, I instantly get my perfect settings once I get in the car.
Its like these cats dont do any research. They are literally aid to do research.
First. The r1s does 0-60 in 3.0 seconds. Second the r1 line is their flagship line. 3rd, they are releasing the enduro duo motor r1 with less horsepower and torque.
Scott should stick with his 2013 Highlander. The 2GR-FE if properly maintained will run forever. With new era of Toyota rattly 4 cyl turbo, is not worth the change if you plan to keep it for a long time.
But, but, $60,000 is a small price to pay for 3 more mpg, isn't it? 😂
Seriously, you're absolutely right.
I'm not sure why I'm commenting...CR never responds...but here goes. "Break in period" for an EV? I was surprised by that comment. It's my understanding of ICE vehicles is that the break-in period is so that the pistons and heads and valves and other moving engine bits get nicely seated/worn in together before the engine is placed under real stress. What kind of stuff is happening in an EV break-in period?
That’s a good question. Email it to them or send them a video question. More likely to answer that way.
Maybe like battery learning for a phone or laptop. Just replaced a laptop battery and the instructions said to let it fully drain, then charge to 100% so the computer 'learns' the capacity of the battery.
Maybe EVs also need a few miles for moving parts to mesh correctly. Two responses!
@24:17 May be its just me, after new engine design Highlander 2.4T, 3.4TT Sequoia, Tundra, Lexus LX600 is out of my list. Right now. Also for those who are looking for 5000lbs towing in midsize SUV class I would highly recommend that you download the user manual and find out. For example 2 of my friends got Honda Pilot and later found that they are only rated for 3500lbs before dealer installing aftermarket ATF cooler if you want to tow 5000lbs. See 2022 user manual. Vs Highlander 3.5 V6 none needed for 5000lbs. Didn't bothered to check 2.4T gas model as I would never buy it. I don't care even if its Toyota / Lexus, I will stick to features like N/A engines , automatic transmissions (not cvt / dct) , dual fuel injected models (no direct injection only vehicles) , timing chains. AND no EVs until I don't have to think about charging stations.
My only concern with electric vehicles is how do they handle on slippery surfaces like snow packed or icy roads?
The Rivian has a snow mode and it's fantastic.
I’m not to sure about this multiple camera setup with multiple angle changes within a minute in talking cars podcast. Maybe perhaps in editing have a limit on camera changes per minute . In some parts of this video it gets almost nauseating to see 4 or 5 changes back and forth in 20 seconds.
Hadn't noticed.
It’s something once you see you cannot unsee. If you have the podcast in background and not really looking at screen or multitasking you will not notice it
And here I am stuck trying to decide between an HR-V or an R1S. Decisions, decisions…
Get a Corolla Cross hybrid!
You could by 4 HR-Vs
So, does this one suffer the vampire drain that the Rivian pickup seems to suffer?
Some small amount of vampire drain, is going to occur. You want your vehicle to recognize your phone, or whatever you are using to open it, so something has to be on. In my Tesla, sentry mode will take 5-8% per day. Cabin overheat will take a lot of power on a very hot day in the sun. These features don't exist on other cars and can be turned off. Recently left my Tesla parked for 8 days. At home in a garage, sentry mode off, no need for cabin overheat. Lost 4% in 8 days.
One paddle driving is used to be adjusted in 3 to 7 days of driving , these guys are making a big problem on this.
Well, that was painful to watch. Was this supposed to air on April 1?
Glad to see Talking Cars get a dedicated studio to up their game.
I totally understand that I’d get “used” to have a giant screen in the middle of the car but I don’t want that. I don’t like the look or style. I want my own gauge cluster and sure a touch screen in the middle but I don’t want that being the only thing.
TX Plug in Hybrid is for him
If I want to comment something negatively, I will master that (one pedal driving) first and then comment.
I have some reservations about this car but some of their complain is just ridiculous - it is too easy to go too fast?!
Scott keep the Highlander and get a hybrid Ford Maverick.
Timelines, Gantz-O. 4
You clearly have not driving for any period of time in a vehicle with regen - you get very used to it and find it is much supperior - no jerkynes once you learn to reduce the break pedal -
When on the hwy, use driver+ for God’s sake since you don’t know how to feather an EV accelerator pedal
Biggest problem with Rivian no support for Apple CarPlay
I predict that someday all new gas cars will be made with a manual transmission. I think that it's the only thing a gas vehicle has that electric vehicles don't, and gas cars will just be weekend fun cars that aren't your daily driver. After owning an EV for 2 years now, driving a manual is the only thing I miss. I still prefer one pedal driving over it tho.
Wow! It's amazing what American ingenuity can accomplish. A sports car disguised as an SUV! It will be interesting to see how this does on the boulder hill. I'm guessing that the manufacturer already has its R&D team working on how to roll out advanced battery technology into existing vehicles. A play all EV manufacturers are likey strategizing about.
I’m in my fifties but listening to you guys complain about modern cars and features makes me feel young by comparison. If you can’t figure out the cruise control or find the flasher button after a few minutes with this vehicle, maybe it’s time to pass the baton to another generation.
Jake, if you're making your passengers sick, you don't know how to drive or you haven't spent more than 10 min. in it.
The Hyundai Ioniq 9 is going to commandeer the electric 3 row market, and Ford and GM will need to catch up later.... the Rivian R1S is going to be a fringe player....
At 80K that’s obvious
Actually 0-60 in 3 seconds. And what’s more fun a slow roller coaster or fast one? To say that a slower accelerating vehicle is better is idiotic.
Doesn't Rivian employ a bunch of ex-Tesla folks?
It’s Lucid that got some high level talent from Tesla
It only took me a day to acclimate to all the one pedal driving stuff. But you guys make it sound so negative. Shouldn’t driving an Ev should be a different experience from driving a regular ICE vehicle?
21:40 most of them just copy apple.
so, saying "the copy each other" is misleading
I’ll pile on with the comments about one pedal driving…..either they haven’t driven it for more than 20 minutes, or they’re terrible at driving EVs. It takes no time at all to drive this vehicle smoothly. Seek out Sandy Monroe from Monroe and Associates for a true expert opinion - not these guys.
Ev is like putting in a v8.
sorry but these guys sound like "old heads" and are very subjective about power and one pedal driving. but i do agree with them about the controls, way too much benchmarking there with Tesla - too few manual controls in the Rivian
0.2 g's is where brake lights come on. You guys are drama queens.
Yeah and the way they complain about one-pedal driving is insane. It becomes almost second nature and throttle sensitivity is fine in all purpose mode.
God awful review by people that drove one for 2 min.
Isn’t Rivian laying off workers?
Ford and GM are laying off thousands!
Why doesn’t CR ever opine or discuss how dangerous these big tall heavy (and fast) EVs are for anyone outside of this vehicle? These cars (and drivers) are killing people with these 0-60 times and 800+ hp. And then the environmental disaster these huge batteries are. Nobody needs a tank this big and fast.
Recommend you do a bit more research on those "environmentally disastrous" batteries. Hint: they're not. In fact, once you do a bit of digging, for every area that's called out as being problematic in the lifecycle of an ev battery, fossil fuels are worse by an order of magnitude. Including forced and child labour (which is a real and valid concern for all lithium phone batteries but almost non-existent in EV batteries at this point). Meanwhile, increased EV uptake is driving the development of much better and cleaner tech (like aluminum ion).
@@crispinhands7610Even if batteries aren’t an environmental issue the size and weight of these vehicles is definitely a safety issue. Larger heavier vehicles are harder to control and more dangerous for other smaller vehicles and pedestrians and bicyclists. They also encourage everyone else to also get larger heavier vehicles in self defense, which pushes up average prices, and pushes down average efficiency and safety.
Sounds like some Minor league reviewers or maybe they are just new to driving.
influence free LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
They make the analogy of phone companies copying each to each other and rivian copying Tesla. I’m an apple user and cannot use a Samsung at all. This same logic of their poor review continues in comparing 7000+ pound vehicle with over 9 inches of ground clearance to a sports car. It’s about as ridiculous as comparing eating dirt and steaks.
Can't believe consumer report is still complaining about regen braking in 2023. Keep reviewing ICE cars and go away with them
Monticello, why don’t you let the others say what they want to say instead of saying what they want to say. Cool your ego a little.
Learn how to drive an EV guys. Your commentary on one pedal and regen is not a good look for you three.
It amazes me how some will roll the dice on a practically unknown brand, with no track record, based on looks alone.
Who gave the curmudgeon in the burgundy shirt a mic? He’s reviewing cars and actually complaining about too much acceleration 🙄?
You guys are petrol heads so.
As cringy as this is, it's likely the reality of what most people think. And if it's not what they think, they're just going to run with it because "consumer reports" said it. People complain about every new technology, simply because it's not what they're used to
Which in and of itself is hilarious because humans are the most adaptable beings on this planet. 😅
Terrible way of reviewing a vehicle. Amateur UA-camrs create better reviews than this. I don’t have a Rivian, but I want to give it a chance. I think all vehicles should have fair reviews with the pros and cons in an objective manner, not just subjective report.
To expensive-they will only sell a small number of these ugly vehicles.
Overpriced. Colossal and historic depreciation. 🤮 👎🏼
Evidence? All vehicles depreciate? You sound jealous...
Less expensive than a decently equipped Porsche Cayman. That overpriced too?
No one is losing any money selling Rivians over on the big online auction sites right now. This may change, but not right now.
My first impression of the Rivian R1S is that paying $95k for an SUV with a 315 mile range is going to look ridiculous within five years, especially when the company that made it goes out of business.