As someone who’s lived with this shifter for the last 2 months, two things: (1) I got used to it quickly, and (2) its major advantage is that it allows me to make 3-point turns without having to look down to make sure I’m not accidentally shifting into Park.
The command knob is fantastic. You can do all your commands with muscle memory, never take your eyes off the road and eliminate smudging the touchscreen.
I'm glad someone FINALLY pointed this out. Touch screens take your focus off driving, and searching and scrolling through menu's on a touch screen is like so incredibly distracting. I think as time goes on we'll see touch screens go away, at least till the car can take over and drive for you while you're slogging through icon after icon and sub menu after sub menu trying to find the base, treble or the dash brightness screen.
Mazda up to now has been moving upscale since the launch in 2017 of the CX-5, now and still the top selling Mazda. The CX-50 took it incremental more upscale. The CX-30 did the same. Now the CX-90 is moving much more in the upscale direction with a new powertrain that is fully modern (8 speed automatic instead of 6 speed, inline 6 instead of inline 4). I think as long as their reliability holds up they will continue to do well. It is like Subaru was years ago - a small company that appeals to performance drivers for a cheaper price than the European imports. Really appreciate the background on how they test the cars over 8 weeks pending weather and then discuss, and write the 5000 word story. Very interesting!
I just purchased a CX90 three months ago and seriously greatly enjoy it. I have driven Audi, BMW and Mercedes for fifty years and my feeling is that the suspension feels much like a German suspension. I really like the eight speed transmission and the all wheel drive when I’m driving in the snow on Mt. Hood.
i am driving mazda CX-90 top trim for last 6 months and it feels absoluitely great on the highway. It is one of the hidden gems mid size SUV's whihc can compete even at luxury levels
I bought a 2017 XT5 with the electronic shifter. It took me a day to get used to it. I love it now. I'm buying a CX 90, and the shifter is not an issue.
Mazda has a good reputation, their name has always been associated with fun to drive dynamics and great reliability. I don’t think it will be that difficult for people to buy into it as a premium brand. I would argue that Mazda already has better brand cachet than Infiniti maybe even Acura to some degree. I also think Mazda will be the final blow to Infiniti. On another note can we chill with the nitpicks and get more nuanced feedback about the cars?
I’m enjoying your discussion on how you go through the process, as you words, reports, and reviews can affect the sales of a car or product. I’ve used your reviews to purchase cars and other products over the years, so I truly appreciate the efforts you are putting in here. One question I have for you is how much of our feedback on a platform like this would you say realistically gets addressed by the manufacturer such as to Mazda in this case? And do those same manufacturers then send you acknowledgements that a particular concern or review will be addressed or noted that you can report back to us viewers? Thanks again.
+1 .. Straight Six inline configurations are hip, the way to go. The inline 3.0 Six turbo from Mercedes (in our '23 E-450 Wagon) has a glorious exhaust sound at the top of the RPM range. .. Way To Go Mazda!
Really? Wow. People pay attention to this one!!!! While I don't find the cx90 as refined or as richly adorned as the X5, the CX90 is a beautiful car inside and out. If the seats were better and they bumped the HP I'd be all over it. Where they made the mistake with the CX90, is by downsizing to a 4 cyl for the PHEV. BMW KEEPS the 6 CYL and ADDS hybrid power, where as Mazda removes two cylinders on the hybrid. I'd be buying a CX90 today had they kept the 6Cly turbo and added PHEV power. Other than this major performance mistake on the PHEV, the CX90 is really sweet option!
I have owned two Mazdas purchased new: A 1990 626 with manual transmission and my current 2014 Mazda 6 Sport also with a manual transmission. The 2014 now has 109K miles and is capable of returning 35mpg @ 80 mph. I have had absolutely no mechanical issues and do my own routine maintenance. The Skyactive technology is pretty impressive. I am waiting to see what the real world mpg on the Preferred Plus will be in your testing. We do not need the 3rd seat all the time, but could use the extra space with the 3rd seat down. We also have owned 2 Subaru Foresters from new. A 2011 base trim with auto and our current 2016 base with CVT. The Foresters have been reliable, but I am not a fan of the CVT or engine revs trying to maintain highway speeds on moderate hills. I would appreciate a vehicle with a more relaxed feel for long distance, better driving dynamics and above average fuel mileage for the class. If the CX90 delivers on all of this I am seriously interested.
I completely do not agree that 280 HP and 340 HP doesn’t show any noticeable difference. When I tried the 280 one it seems like the car is struggling to take off even within 40 MPH speed. The 340 shows so much effortless acceleration. Maybe it was because I tried to trade in my electric GV 60. So, I got used to with EV. But, the difference was so significant that I was pleased with turbo s with 340 HP but it was bot okay at all with the standard one.
All three of these “experts” are dead wrong about the shifter. Everyone hates push button shifters so much worse. Having to look down to make 3 point turns in a giant vehicle and slam it into park? No. This is the last frontier of manual controls. Next they’ll suggest putting them behind screens to save money, lol. A driver should have and feel control behind a 2 ton object.
I never used a push button shifter myself, seem like a pain to get used to, I test drove this car last weekend, felt pretty natural to me. Not sure why they spent 2 minute whining about it.
Bought a 2024 CX90 after having owned four Honda Pilots. It is, without a doubt the best car I've ever owned. It drives really well, gets good gas mileage, is very well built, very well equipped and cost less per month than the Piliot. It is a home run IMHO.
About the acceleration lag: I "fixed" it by using the sport mode around town and the normal mode on the highway. Last thing: it's super quiet. It is truly an outstanding automobile.
Fit and finish not up to par Keith? I’ve looked them over and sat in a couple, and they are beautiful and seem perfect. I’ve also seen a few videos where they say fit and finish is top notch and probably better than luxury brand Japanese brands.
I could see it coming that someone on this panel was going to complain about the lack of a touch screen. The automotive press is constantly clueless on this issue with Mazda. Sure, I guess maybe some people prefer a touch screen, but as far as I'm concerned the fact that Mazda is focused on the control dial instead is WONDERFUL!! It is super easy to operate by feel alone, which is great while driving, and you don't get a bunch of ugly smudge marks all over your screen that you have to constantly clean. Please Mazda, keep the control wheel and don't give in to the pressure of a touch screen!
The market has changed quite a bit since this was made, I think. I was able to lease a CX-90 PHEV last week for S-Plan price, plus the $7,500 lease cash incentive, and I was able to negotiate an excellent money factor for the lease too. I basically got a $60k car for $50k. I love the car and can't complain.
How wide is the 2nd row bench seat? I have 2 kids that use booster seats and a MIL that need to fit comfortably in the 2nd row. Is Mazda the right choice?
I like it too, however during my test drive when I went to park the test vehicle I left it in whatever the gear is at the top of the shifter and it started to roll away when I took my foot off the brake. I think with a couple of drives this would become second nature. It's silly to hammer on this as a core subject on an otherwise pretty magnificent non european lux cruiser.
VERY insightful table discussion which is why I've been a CR subscriber/user for over 40 years. I expect and want details that your testers/raters provide. As for the Mazda CX90, I am interested in purchasing one in the next year or two (I already own and will keep a 2021 CX5----my third) moving from a Honda Pilot. However, Mazda made a huge mistake on the shifter design expecting us (older) customers to just get used to it. If the 2025 shifter isn't improved, I'll stick with Honda.
I’ve owned 4 Honda’s, and converted to Mazda on my last car. It’s competitive in price, but definitely feels more premium compared to a Honda or Toyota.
Good thing they put the letters (P, R, N, D) on the shifter so anyone that can read can figure it out easily. If you can't read, then maybe you shouldn't be driving.
I own a Subaru Ascent and I absolutely love the car….but….The one thing holding me back from buying a new Subaru is the lack of a hybrid option. So now I’m looking at Mazda cx-90 phev or Toyota Grand Highlander Hybrid.
I did not hear them mention the fact that the Inline 6 engine has the cam chain in the rear of the engine. If this cam chain needs to be replaced/repaired, the entire engine needs to be removed. Huge task that can cost $3000+.
It isn't a belt. Kind of a non issue. I don't think I've ever had to swap a timing chain. I do know who's video you saw that in though lol. Remember that mechanic loves Toyota's
The dash and center console look great. If the dash is soft touch and not molded plastic, then it would be very nice. My 4th gen Prius has gloss black and gloss white. The gloss black always looks dirty. The gloss white on the steering wheel looks like a Stormtrooper's codpiece (ugh). After an actor was run over/killed by his Jeep which I think had a monostable shifter several years ago, many people including CR harshly criticized monostable shifters. Now the CR guy in the wire-rim glasses is criticizing this for NOT having a monostable shifter. I agree that it should not go P->R->D.
Just ordered a 2025 cx90 and watching some videos to learn any tricks before it arrives. My notes: the all black interior is not nearly as nice as the white or greige. those 2 are stunning!! The seats are definitely not cushy- in fact I thought my leg might be going numb!! I have a cx5 which has a much cushier ride. I could actually feel the road bumps in the seat of the cx90 so we are going to switch to 19" tires. If you get captains chairs the back seats have tons of room, are very comfy, and very well appointed. What I couldn't believe when I tested both Lexus and Volvo was that their trunk area was not nearly as nice as Mazda. Considering I'm in my trunk area a lot, I went back to Mazda. Volvo and Lexus are not as spacious nor can you do do a button or latch from the rear of the vehicle to lower the seats. Lexus had a better ride and turning radius, but less buttons and more expensive, and trims levels didnt' make sense. Volvo was. stiff ride, smaller, and you had to get the most expensive trim for good seats (also had very stiff seats). I think the only car that may beat the Mazda would be the bmw, but they lose because they dont' have the reliability over time. Maybe just their engine- but the rest of the car falls apart. My 9year old Mazda has only had 1 problem, the led lights went out. replaced that under recall and no problems ever since. So I'm going back to Mazda for best value, best amenities, best driving experience at best price.
Big kudos to Mazda for developing a in-line six cylinder engine with A mild hybrid, in a three row crossover, everyone else has gotten rid of the Six cylinder.The The Mazda CX 90 PHEV is definitely a unique Vehicle, it is not like a Toyota Highlander it is a drivers car! Does the Toyota Highlander hybrid get better mileage of course it does, but I am way more interested in a drivers SUV than a ECVT.I am so glad that Mazda still makes driving fun even in a three row SUV!❤ on top of it it still gets 28 miles per gallon on the highway if you drive it non-aggressively if you drive it like you stole it of course you’re not going to get that kind of mileage. I just love when someone test drives it and said they’re only getting 20 to 23 combined, well of course it’s got power and you’re gonna use it so don’t expect to get the best mileage if you drive it that way.Yes the Mazda does have some strange corks to it, but it is fun to drive! #ZoomZoom
The UA-camr Car Care Nut Review says that a lot of basic maintenance will require for the engine to be removed or require significant engine disassembly, because of how it’s designed. That will translate most likely into high maintenance costs. Do you think that’s an accurate assessment of the CX-90?
With as many cars as CR buys I think you owe it to everyone to not pay over MSRP. If the dealers you buy from play that game you walk and look for dealers that don’t. It is easier than ever thru online platforms to find cars with just a little homework. You should put yourselves in the typical buyers shoes and negotiate every last penny and not be taken advantage of by overpaying.
MSRP has always been a meaningless, sales gimmick. That is one of the oldest direct sales techniques in the world. Break up the mnf/dealership oligopoly by removing their anti-trust exemptions. That would be the best scenario for buyers. But, it would also mean that pols would have to go up against the all powerful NADA.
Mazda is now widely considered the third most reliable brand after Toyota and Honda. I think they can justify marketing some of the higher end vehicles. If they're going to last a long time, they might as well also be luxurious.
"EVs are a rich person's proposition". If you qualify for the tax incentive, a Tesla can be had for under $40k, well under the average price of a new car. And, Tesla still sells more EVs than all other makers combined. CR, please don't ignore the elephant in the room.
Also, the math isn't "EVs sell for over $60k on average". That's only true if you take one Lucid, one Model S, one Hummer EV, etc., add them all together and divide by the number of models available. The better way to do it is to get an average of the PRICE PAID for an EV. That would be well under $60k. All those Model 3's, Model S's and ID4s would make the number under $60k.
@@tenblinkers3173, that's still too simple. The actual numbers of the EVs sold per price "bracket" should be taken into account. The brackets should be shown as bars in a graph (to show the actual distribution) plus minimum, median, and maximum prices. This approach should be used for all data that has value. Median is still simplistic, but better than the average value alone. I don't see good reasons to not publish both of them for the same data set.
Mazda is usually pretty good but considering that for the CX90 ... The engine is all new, the transmission is all new (a dual clutch designed in house), the chassis is new and the all-wheel drive system is new. I'd certainly be waiting a few years for reliability data before dropping $55k plus on a CX90. Many reviewers saying the DCT has lots of hesitation when shifting.
You guys always bag mazda for no touch screen and only using the rotary dial. After owning a 2019 cx-5 for 2 years and then selling it off, its been 2 or 3 years since I parted ways with that car and I still miss the dial
I would agree that the lower level CX-90 interiors feels cheap - especially the black, The higher end stuff is much nicer and actually feels premium. But, I would also argue that the SX level (non prestige) Telluride interior is cheap feeling as well.
mazda has a massive partnership with Toyota...they build cars in the same factory in Alabama , these guys should know this ...they even said Mazda had no partner companies ....wrong!
The dealer cannot jack up MSRP. That is dictated by manufacturer. The dealer can slap on Added Dealer Markup, but it needs to be a separate line item from MSRP.
Mazda is not there yet. I love my mazda cx 90 but it’s not there yet for the luxurious segment. The seat adjustments are not various enough. The sealant on the door is good but not adequate to seal the noise for the speed above 80 MPH. The power train is above average but not enough yo compete in the luxurious segment. If they tune the engine to 400 HP that should be adequate. The rest is good.
I can see "I don't like guy" again preaching how nice Hyundai/Kia is representing his payee interests really well 😂🤣 Sorry but some diet will make you fit better in Miata or CX90 too, seats are designed for average folks ... My 6'1" 215lbs fits perfectly comfortable but at the same time I slide around in most American brands 8 seats complains are a joke , 4 adults and 4 small kids maybe ... 6 are fine , 7 squeeze and that is perfectly ok . Shifter, no problem what so ever. Sportier ride on 21s , just drop 2 psi to 31psi and it will be lot sorter or get 19 inch version .
Not sure they needed the turbo, the earlier Highlanders did well with a non-turbo V6. Problem with turbos, as soon as the boost kicks in, gas mileage drops like a rock. Maybe I missed it, but it needs premium gas.
wow, griping that the transmission doesn't automatically shift into park?? We're dumb, but we're not that dumb--even in a rental car. I can't remember what brand rental car it was but to engage cruise required pushing a button on the dash. Oh my! It took 3 seconds to figure it out! Consumer Repots is great but this is getting pretty damn picky.
HI KEITH, GABE, AND MIKE, HOW ARE YOU?? UH, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ELECTRIC CARS SELLING ABOVE THE MULRONEY WINDOW STICKER, DOES THAT INCLUDE TESLAS?? AND WHILE KEITH MENTIONED THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST YEAR TO BUY AN EV CAR, ISN'T TESLA GIVING BIG DISCOUNTS ON THE MODEL THREE?? I FOUND IT VERY UNUSUAL FOR A SHOW, YOURS OR OTHERWISE, GOING FOR A HALF AN HOUR TO, I BELIEVE, NOT MENTIONING THE TESLA NAME ?? THANKS GUYS!! GLAD TO SEE GABE AGAIN!!
Prefer knob and buttons over touch screen. Hate new pervasive gloss piano black, so good for Mazda. Prefer old style shifter to buttons Silence on complaint is engineers over marketers. My first car was an outstanding RX-7 that I still miss.
Keith, give them a break! Mazda is a quality car company. Perhaps you should set aside your bias and look into the engineering behind this vehicle. My 2015 Mazda CX5 has over 200K and running perfectly. I also have a Lexus IS which has been in the shop for a water pump and other issues, and it has under 60K miles. So, come on dude, give them a break! Mercedes does not have an up-market brand either and YES; Mazda can compete anytime. I have owned German vehicles, and they require a lot of love and care. You never mention the cost of repairs. It is ridiculous. I do not like this report.
Me too.. but sadly Mazda 6/60 sedan.. not happening. I drive a modded 2014 Acura TL 3.7 SHawd sedan. So.. I'm saving cash right now for coming CX-70. You should too. It's gonna be a great vehicle for the $$S.
Fluffy guys just don’t go into the third row of any CUV or SUV. Sorry Keith. As far as the infotainment system a big thing CR and others miss is the touch screen is tactile and you have to look where you touch. Mazda is safety conscience using tactile connection. I would expect CR employees would make that a priority as well. Missing that discussion reduces credibility.
Yes, I have a 2017 Mazda 6, and it has a touch screen and the control wheel. The car automatically disables the touch screen when it is moving for safety. The control wheel is great.
No point in having a real shifter when coupled to an electronic box. Buttons work really well, like what Honda does. The shift is there to satisfy old habits associated to old technology, but it is just silly… I have to say CR has been a big critic of buttons, but why? It’s silly to create a placebo device to simulate old tech.
I just don't understand this obsession of adults that want to try and fit in the third row of a family car. This is an edge case argument that shouldn't be part of the conversation of which 3 row SUV is best.
I've seen huge number of road tests over the years. I don't remember any where "dummy weight" (mass to be exact) was used to simulate the passenger plus "cargo" in the rear of the vehicle. This is not a realistic testing. Reason for this comment: "you don't need the 340."
Car reviewers need to be more brutal, like the tech reviewers. The more triggered the fanboys, the better. CR is the only car reviewer who does this. Every other car reviewers on youtube are too afraid of the mob.
I’m in California and just got a Genesis GV60. I was able to a few thousand off MSRP and the $7,500 IRA rebate in a lease. BTW, I replace a Tesla Model 3 with it.
About the shifter...Both our KIAs are so intuitive..pull back all the way...surprise you're in drive...slot left for manual...down one from park and R...no thinking required! Thx guys!
It would have been ssooo much better if Mazda just would have given the CX-90 just a regular good old traditional shifter.. This works MUCH better and everyone already knows how to use it.. and it works just fine.
We tested a cx30 the entertainment system was fumbling to operate this car should have a touch screen when then tested RAV4 hybrid the whole test with the cx 30 we couldn’t figure out how to work the entertainment system with the rav it was so easy myself I’ve been waiting for the cx70 my lease on my 22 pathfinder is up in 2024 September but if it doesn’t have a touchscreen I probably won’t lease it Genesis maybe my choice
The CX90s are all built in Japan. It's generally accepted that Japan built is better quality than U.S. built. Even on the same make and models. All Lexus were Japan built until recently. And, their are cracks showing in the Lexus reliability ratings with the U.S. built models.
Its amazing how long you speak about EVs and don't mention Tesla! Talk about above msrp... no mention of Tesla. Talk about tax credit... no mention of Tesla. Talk about EVs being expensive, no mention the Model 3 after tax credits is cheaper than a Camry! No wonder people feel you are anti Tesla, I was both shocked and disappointed
I test drove this vehicle and found it drives like a boat. I’m 6’2” and the lift gate doesn’t go high enough to let me stand underneath, it’s really awkward. I don’t like how the screen is so far back. In Canada the top trim is $10k USD less expensive than in the US.
The cars sounds right up my alley but the thing that concerns me is the engine compartment and the lay-out. I heard that the bay is small and the engine is shoehorned into it. The other thing i heard was that the timing belt is in the rear of the engine and the engine has to be pulled out to service it. It sounds like it would be a mechanics, or owners, nightmare. Anyone heard that?
Timing chain lasts the life of a car unlike TIMING BELT that needs replacement at certain mileage. So chain being at the back or any side is not an issue.
There won't be a shortage of batteries, The Canadian Government has given both Volkswagen and Stellantis 10's of billions of dollars to build plants to manufacturer batteries while EV cats sales are plummeting. They'll be out of business before their completed.
EV rules for tax credits are confusing. Here are some to try to help: If you are single and you make a modified AGI over $150,000, you don't get any credit. If you are married and you make a modified AGI over $300,000 you don't get any credit. If you are the head of household and you make a modified AGI over $225,000 you don't get any credit. In 2024 the rules will be simplified. The new rule is that if you’re buying a clean vehicle, you will have the option, beginning in 2024, to take the EV tax credit as a discount at the time you purchase the vehicle. Essentially, you would be transferring the credit to the dealer, who would be able to lower the price of the vehicle by the amount of the credit. This means that you won’t have to wait until it’s time to file your tax return to benefit from the electric vehicle tax credit.
The Forester is not in the same class, you would have to look at the CX-30/CX-50…..I do agree that prices are getting out of hand. I see people driving these beasts that will never use the space or tow capacity.
Comparing a Forester to the CX90 ☠️. It’s not even remotely comparable. The CX90 is bigger, way more refined, has a turbo i6 and rwd architecture, and a significantly nicer interior. It also starts at 40k with a ton of standard equipment. Why do people always mention the highest price? This car is one of the best bargains on the market in the lower trims.
As someone who’s lived with this shifter for the last 2 months, two things: (1) I got used to it quickly, and (2) its major advantage is that it allows me to make 3-point turns without having to look down to make sure I’m not accidentally shifting into Park.
Exactly thats what i thought as well when i test drove it, basically you can maneuver gears without looking once you get use to it
I would say this shifter is like the old school gated shifter, whose P R and D form a triangle
I learned it by the end of the second day driving mine. I love how simple and intuitive it is.
I’ve been driving for over 30yrs using traditional automatic shifters and have never ever shifted it to Park by mistake when reversing!🤦♂️
These comments clearly show that the reviewers in this video and the press have not spent much time in this vehicle.
The command knob is fantastic. You can do all your commands with muscle memory, never take your eyes off the road and eliminate smudging the touchscreen.
I'm glad someone FINALLY pointed this out. Touch screens take your focus off driving, and searching and scrolling through menu's on a touch screen is like so incredibly distracting. I think as time goes on we'll see touch screens go away, at least till the car can take over and drive for you while you're slogging through icon after icon and sub menu after sub menu trying to find the base, treble or the dash brightness screen.
So true.
Mazda up to now has been moving upscale since the launch in 2017 of the CX-5, now and still the top selling Mazda. The CX-50 took it incremental more upscale. The CX-30 did the same. Now the CX-90 is moving much more in the upscale direction with a new powertrain that is fully modern (8 speed automatic instead of 6 speed, inline 6 instead of inline 4). I think as long as their reliability holds up they will continue to do well. It is like Subaru was years ago - a small company that appeals to performance drivers for a cheaper price than the European imports. Really appreciate the background on how they test the cars over 8 weeks pending weather and then discuss, and write the 5000 word story. Very interesting!
I just purchased a CX90 three months ago and seriously greatly enjoy it. I have driven Audi, BMW and Mercedes for fifty years and my feeling is that the suspension feels much like a German suspension. I really like the eight speed transmission and the all wheel drive when I’m driving in the snow on Mt. Hood.
i am driving mazda CX-90 top trim for last 6 months and it feels absoluitely great on the highway. It is one of the hidden gems mid size SUV's whihc can compete even at luxury levels
I bought a 2017 XT5 with the electronic shifter. It took me a day to get used to it. I love it now. I'm buying a CX 90, and the shifter is not an issue.
BTW, I am not a CR fan. I don't think they do a great job of evaluating anything...
Mazda has a good reputation, their name has always been associated with fun to drive dynamics and great reliability. I don’t think it will be that difficult for people to buy into it as a premium brand. I would argue that Mazda already has better brand cachet than Infiniti maybe even Acura to some degree. I also think Mazda will be the final blow to Infiniti. On another note can we chill with the nitpicks and get more nuanced feedback about the cars?
I’m enjoying your discussion on how you go through the process, as you words, reports, and reviews can affect the sales of a car or product. I’ve used your reviews to purchase cars and other products over the years, so I truly appreciate the efforts you are putting in here. One question I have for you is how much of our feedback on a platform like this would you say realistically gets addressed by the manufacturer such as to Mazda in this case? And do those same manufacturers then send you acknowledgements that a particular concern or review will be addressed or noted that you can report back to us viewers? Thanks again.
+1 .. Straight Six inline configurations are hip, the way to go. The inline 3.0 Six turbo from Mercedes (in our '23 E-450 Wagon) has a glorious exhaust sound at the top of the RPM range. .. Way To Go Mazda!
Love the work you guys do at CR, great podcast on the CX 90. i'll migrating from an X5 to a cx90 as i was so impressed by my test drive
Really? Wow. People pay attention to this one!!!! While I don't find the cx90 as refined or as richly adorned as the X5, the CX90 is a beautiful car inside and out. If the seats were better and they bumped the HP I'd be all over it. Where they made the mistake with the CX90, is by downsizing to a 4 cyl for the PHEV. BMW KEEPS the 6 CYL and ADDS hybrid power, where as Mazda removes two cylinders on the hybrid. I'd be buying a CX90 today had they kept the 6Cly turbo and added PHEV power. Other than this major performance mistake on the PHEV, the CX90 is really sweet option!
I have owned two Mazdas purchased new: A 1990 626 with manual transmission and my current 2014 Mazda 6 Sport also with a manual transmission. The 2014 now has 109K miles and is capable of returning 35mpg @ 80 mph. I have had absolutely no mechanical issues and do my own routine maintenance. The Skyactive technology is pretty impressive. I am waiting to see what the real world mpg on the Preferred Plus will be in your testing. We do not need the 3rd seat all the time, but could use the extra space with the 3rd seat down. We also have owned 2 Subaru Foresters from new. A 2011 base trim with auto and our current 2016 base with CVT. The Foresters have been reliable, but I am not a fan of the CVT or engine revs trying to maintain highway speeds on moderate hills. I would appreciate a vehicle with a more relaxed feel for long distance, better driving dynamics and above average fuel mileage for the class. If the CX90 delivers on all of this I am seriously interested.
I completely do not agree that 280 HP and 340 HP doesn’t show any noticeable difference. When I tried the 280 one it seems like the car is struggling to take off even within 40 MPH speed. The 340 shows so much effortless acceleration. Maybe it was because I tried to trade in my electric GV 60. So, I got used to with EV. But, the difference was so significant that I was pleased with turbo s with 340 HP but it was bot okay at all with the standard one.
All three of these “experts” are dead wrong about the shifter. Everyone hates push button shifters so much worse. Having to look down to make 3 point turns in a giant vehicle and slam it into park? No. This is the last frontier of manual controls. Next they’ll suggest putting them behind screens to save money, lol. A driver should have and feel control behind a 2 ton object.
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I never used a push button shifter myself, seem like a pain to get used to, I test drove this car last weekend, felt pretty natural to me. Not sure why they spent 2 minute whining about it.
I'm really looking forward to the cx 70. I feel like there is alot of us that just want a 5 seater with ample room. The cx5 is just kinda dinky
Agree! Hope it’s available end of 2024 latest :p
Me Too!
Yeah, CX5 just a bit too small
Bought a 2024 CX90 after having owned four Honda Pilots. It is, without a doubt the best car I've ever owned. It drives really well, gets good gas mileage, is very well built, very well equipped and cost less per month than the Piliot. It is a home run IMHO.
About the acceleration lag: I "fixed" it by using the sport mode around town and the normal mode on the highway. Last thing: it's super quiet. It is truly an outstanding automobile.
The only thing I'll change on my next one is I'll get a bench seat in the second row rather than the captain's chairs.
My CX-90 PHEV arrives in about 5 weeks, and I can't wait . . .
Fit and finish not up to par Keith? I’ve looked them over and sat in a couple, and they are beautiful and seem perfect. I’ve also seen a few videos where they say fit and finish is top notch and probably better than luxury brand Japanese brands.
I could see it coming that someone on this panel was going to complain about the lack of a touch screen. The automotive press is constantly clueless on this issue with Mazda. Sure, I guess maybe some people prefer a touch screen, but as far as I'm concerned the fact that Mazda is focused on the control dial instead is WONDERFUL!! It is super easy to operate by feel alone, which is great while driving, and you don't get a bunch of ugly smudge marks all over your screen that you have to constantly clean. Please Mazda, keep the control wheel and don't give in to the pressure of a touch screen!
The market has changed quite a bit since this was made, I think. I was able to lease a CX-90 PHEV last week for S-Plan price, plus the $7,500 lease cash incentive, and I was able to negotiate an excellent money factor for the lease too. I basically got a $60k car for $50k. I love the car and can't complain.
What's s-plan? Agree to. I'm picking up mine tomorrow for$48k
How wide is the 2nd row bench seat? I have 2 kids that use booster seats and a MIL that need to fit comfortably in the 2nd row. Is Mazda the right choice?
Watch more reviews. Check out the one from Kirk Kreifels. He tests car seats in his review
I actually like the shifter. I thought it was pretty cool and felt great
I like it too, however during my test drive when I went to park the test vehicle I left it in whatever the gear is at the top of the shifter and it started to roll away when I took my foot off the brake. I think with a couple of drives this would become second nature. It's silly to hammer on this as a core subject on an otherwise pretty magnificent non european lux cruiser.
VERY insightful table discussion which is why I've been a CR subscriber/user for over 40 years. I expect and want details that your testers/raters provide. As for the Mazda CX90, I am interested in purchasing one in the next year or two (I already own and will keep a 2021 CX5----my third) moving from a Honda Pilot. However, Mazda made a huge mistake on the shifter design expecting us (older) customers to just get used to it. If the 2025 shifter isn't improved, I'll stick with Honda.
Interesting review. The info is good… but are you guys sitting at a lunch table? 😂
I’ve owned 4 Honda’s, and converted to Mazda on my last car. It’s competitive in price, but definitely feels more premium compared to a Honda or Toyota.
Good thing they put the letters (P, R, N, D) on the shifter so anyone that can read can figure it out easily. If you can't read, then maybe you shouldn't be driving.
I own a Subaru Ascent and I absolutely love the car….but….The one thing holding me back from buying a new Subaru is the lack of a hybrid option. So now I’m looking at Mazda cx-90 phev or Toyota Grand Highlander Hybrid.
27:20There’s EV’s then there’s Tesla. EV’s have dealerships, advertising, msrp rebates. Then there’s Tesla which has NONE OF THAT MESS!!!!
I did not hear them mention the fact that the Inline 6 engine has the cam chain in the rear of the engine. If this cam chain needs to be replaced/repaired, the entire engine needs to be removed. Huge task that can cost $3000+.
Probably not covered by an extended warranty as it’s a wear and tear item.
It isn't a belt. Kind of a non issue. I don't think I've ever had to swap a timing chain. I do know who's video you saw that in though lol. Remember that mechanic loves Toyota's
The dash and center console look great. If the dash is soft touch and not molded plastic, then it would be very nice. My 4th gen Prius has gloss black and gloss white. The gloss black always looks dirty. The gloss white on the steering wheel looks like a Stormtrooper's codpiece (ugh). After an actor was run over/killed by his Jeep which I think had a monostable shifter several years ago, many people including CR harshly criticized monostable shifters. Now the CR guy in the wire-rim glasses is criticizing this for NOT having a monostable shifter. I agree that it should not go P->R->D.
Touch screen =distracted driving.
Yes, major kudos to the lack of piano black shiny plastic!
Just ordered a 2025 cx90 and watching some videos to learn any tricks before it arrives. My notes: the all black interior is not nearly as nice as the white or greige. those 2 are stunning!! The seats are definitely not cushy- in fact I thought my leg might be going numb!! I have a cx5 which has a much cushier ride. I could actually feel the road bumps in the seat of the cx90 so we are going to switch to 19" tires. If you get captains chairs the back seats have tons of room, are very comfy, and very well appointed. What I couldn't believe when I tested both Lexus and Volvo was that their trunk area was not nearly as nice as Mazda. Considering I'm in my trunk area a lot, I went back to Mazda. Volvo and Lexus are not as spacious nor can you do do a button or latch from the rear of the vehicle to lower the seats. Lexus had a better ride and turning radius, but less buttons and more expensive, and trims levels didnt' make sense. Volvo was. stiff ride, smaller, and you had to get the most expensive trim for good seats (also had very stiff seats). I think the only car that may beat the Mazda would be the bmw, but they lose because they dont' have the reliability over time. Maybe just their engine- but the rest of the car falls apart. My 9year old Mazda has only had 1 problem, the led lights went out. replaced that under recall and no problems ever since. So I'm going back to Mazda for best value, best amenities, best driving experience at best price.
Big kudos to Mazda for developing a in-line six cylinder engine with A mild hybrid, in a three row crossover, everyone else has gotten rid of the Six cylinder.The The Mazda CX 90 PHEV is definitely a unique Vehicle, it is not like a Toyota Highlander it is a drivers car! Does the Toyota Highlander hybrid get better mileage of course it does, but I am way more interested in a drivers SUV than a ECVT.I am so glad that Mazda still makes driving fun even in a three row SUV!❤ on top of it it still gets 28 miles per gallon on the highway if you drive it non-aggressively if you drive it like you stole it of course you’re not going to get that kind of mileage. I just love when someone test drives it and said they’re only getting 20 to 23 combined, well of course it’s got power and you’re gonna use it so don’t expect to get the best mileage if you drive it that way.Yes the Mazda does have some strange corks to it, but it is fun to drive! #ZoomZoom
Cx90 is awesome❤❤❤❤❤
The UA-camr Car Care Nut Review says that a lot of basic maintenance will require for the engine to be removed or require significant engine disassembly, because of how it’s designed. That will translate most likely into high maintenance costs. Do you think that’s an accurate assessment of the CX-90?
Sounds like the BMWs and MBs they so seem to love as the "luxury" models of 3 row SUVs. Sure.
Missed Gabe from the show!! He knows his stuff :)
I will get a Mazda! I’m waiting on a impressive mpg with hybrid option. Right now, 23 city ain’t cutting it. Mazda is promising, so I’ll wait!
Seriously. Thank you for the information.
I don't think these three guys knows what they are talking about. I found it more helpful to read the comments from people that own Mazdas.
The estimate of 8 weeks delay after testing to the actual road report is optimistic in some cases. The BMW X1 report took six months.
"Giving financial aid to rich people is probably not something we should advocate" Thank you Gabe! Would you run for Congress?
Read SamShuk's comment and learn.
I’m not having problems with the info screen, the short cut buttons make it so simple…..
No mention of the plug in version, missed oppurtunity.
With as many cars as CR buys I think you owe it to everyone to not pay over MSRP. If the dealers you buy from play that game you walk and look for dealers that don’t. It is easier than ever thru online platforms to find cars with just a little homework. You should put yourselves in the typical buyers shoes and negotiate every last penny and not be taken advantage of by overpaying.
MSRP has always been a meaningless, sales gimmick. That is one of the oldest direct sales techniques in the world.
Break up the mnf/dealership oligopoly by removing their anti-trust exemptions. That would be the best scenario for buyers. But, it would also mean that pols would have to go up against the all powerful NADA.
So how was the plug in hybrid?
Thanks for this!
Mazda is now widely considered the third most reliable brand after Toyota and Honda. I think they can justify marketing some of the higher end vehicles. If they're going to last a long time, they might as well also be luxurious.
Your comments on CX60 ?
I'm a bit underwhelmed with my CX5, it does everything well but should have aimed higher. Waiting for the CX60 to hopefully stay with Mazda.
Ps, The Cx50 (nonturbo) strains up hills and needs a kick in the pants.
Prefer knob and buttons over touch screen.
Prefer old style shifter to buttons
Silence on complaint is engineers over marketers.
"EVs are a rich person's proposition". If you qualify for the tax incentive, a Tesla can be had for under $40k, well under the average price of a new car. And, Tesla still sells more EVs than all other makers combined. CR, please don't ignore the elephant in the room.
Also, the math isn't "EVs sell for over $60k on average". That's only true if you take one Lucid, one Model S, one Hummer EV, etc., add them all together and divide by the number of models available. The better way to do it is to get an average of the PRICE PAID for an EV. That would be well under $60k. All those Model 3's, Model S's and ID4s would make the number under $60k.
@@tenblinkers3173, that's still too simple. The actual numbers of the EVs sold per price "bracket" should be taken into account. The brackets should be shown as bars in a graph (to show the actual distribution) plus minimum, median, and maximum prices. This approach should be used for all data that has value. Median is still simplistic, but better than the average value alone. I don't see good reasons to not publish both of them for the same data set.
Mazda is usually pretty good but considering that for the CX90 ...
The engine is all new, the transmission is all new (a dual clutch designed in house), the chassis is new and the all-wheel drive system is new. I'd certainly be waiting a few years for reliability data before dropping $55k plus on a CX90. Many reviewers saying the DCT has lots of hesitation when shifting.
You guys always bag mazda for no touch screen and only using the rotary dial. After owning a 2019 cx-5 for 2 years and then selling it off, its been 2 or 3 years since I parted ways with that car and I still miss the dial
It would be good to disallow drivers to "mess" with the screen while driving. In 2023, should not be difficult to implement smart voice commands.
I would agree that the lower level CX-90 interiors feels cheap - especially the black, The higher end stuff is much nicer and actually feels premium. But, I would also argue that the SX level (non prestige) Telluride interior is cheap feeling as well.
mazda has a massive partnership with Toyota...they build cars in the same factory in Alabama , these guys should know this ...they even said Mazda had no partner companies ....wrong!
The dealer cannot jack up MSRP. That is dictated by manufacturer. The dealer can slap on Added Dealer Markup, but it needs to be a separate line item from MSRP.
Semantics. Dealers can sell for whatever price the market will bear. Thus, MSRP has always been meaningless.
Mazda is not there yet. I love my mazda cx 90 but it’s not there yet for the luxurious segment. The seat adjustments are not various enough. The sealant on the door is good but not adequate to seal the noise for the speed above 80 MPH. The power train is above average but not enough yo compete in the luxurious segment. If they tune the engine to 400 HP that should be adequate. The rest is good.
Funny to hear that Mazda is making the gears too short because that 6 speed they've been using has some big and tall gears
Every ounce of engeneering???😅😅😅 I had 6 recalls and it’s been 12 days in dealer within 3000miles, many issues not fixable
Any updates?
I can see "I don't like guy" again preaching how nice Hyundai/Kia is representing his payee interests really well 😂🤣
Sorry but some diet will make you fit better in Miata or CX90 too, seats are designed for average folks ... My 6'1" 215lbs fits perfectly comfortable but at the same time I slide around in most American brands
8 seats complains are a joke , 4 adults and 4 small kids maybe ... 6 are fine , 7 squeeze and that is perfectly ok .
Shifter, no problem what so ever.
Sportier ride on 21s , just drop 2 psi to 31psi and it will be lot sorter or get 19 inch version .
I really hope people not to talk over each other and have the patience to let others finish.
Mazda renting out its vehicles?? Or leasing?
Not sure they needed the turbo, the earlier Highlanders did well with a non-turbo V6. Problem with turbos, as soon as the boost kicks in, gas mileage drops like a rock. Maybe I missed it, but it needs premium gas.
They also stress the engine and drivetrain. More power = more heat output. TANSTAAFL!
wow, griping that the transmission doesn't automatically shift into park?? We're dumb, but we're not that dumb--even in a rental car. I can't remember what brand rental car it was but to engage cruise required pushing a button on the dash. Oh my! It took 3 seconds to figure it out! Consumer Repots is great but this is getting pretty damn picky.
I find the shifter a very good fearure and easy to use and easy to learn its the same on Lexus NX I beleive and much better than a push button MDX
HI KEITH, GABE, AND MIKE, HOW ARE YOU?? UH, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ELECTRIC CARS SELLING ABOVE THE MULRONEY WINDOW STICKER, DOES THAT INCLUDE TESLAS?? AND WHILE KEITH MENTIONED THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST YEAR TO BUY AN EV CAR, ISN'T TESLA GIVING BIG DISCOUNTS ON THE MODEL THREE?? I FOUND IT VERY UNUSUAL FOR A SHOW, YOURS OR OTHERWISE, GOING FOR A HALF AN HOUR TO, I BELIEVE, NOT MENTIONING THE TESLA NAME ?? THANKS GUYS!! GLAD TO SEE GABE AGAIN!!
Prefer knob and buttons over touch screen.
Hate new pervasive gloss piano black, so good for Mazda.
Prefer old style shifter to buttons
Silence on complaint is engineers over marketers.
My first car was an outstanding RX-7 that I still miss.
Can you give us a comment on " why the CX90 does not have a rear anti sway bar"?
Keith, give them a break! Mazda is a quality car company. Perhaps you should set aside your bias and look into the engineering behind this vehicle. My 2015 Mazda CX5 has over 200K and running perfectly. I also have a Lexus IS which has been in the shop for a water pump and other issues, and it has under 60K miles. So, come on dude, give them a break! Mercedes does not have an up-market brand either and YES; Mazda can compete anytime. I have owned German vehicles, and they require a lot of love and care. You never mention the cost of repairs. It is ridiculous. I do not like this report.
The shifter is no big deal. Get used to it in a day.
I am waiting for Mazda to put the new straight six into a version of the Mazda 6. I heard that they were working on it. I don’t want or need an SUV.
Me too.. but sadly Mazda 6/60 sedan.. not happening. I drive a modded 2014 Acura TL 3.7 SHawd sedan. So.. I'm saving cash right now for coming CX-70. You should too. It's gonna be a great vehicle for the $$S.
I agree. Giving rich people tax credits probably is not the best use of money on an untested and unproven product.
Fluffy guys just don’t go into the third row of any CUV or SUV. Sorry Keith. As far as the infotainment system a big thing CR and others miss is the touch screen is tactile and you have to look where you touch. Mazda is safety conscience using tactile connection. I would expect CR employees would make that a priority as well. Missing that discussion reduces credibility.
Yes, I have a 2017 Mazda 6, and it has a touch screen and the control wheel. The car automatically disables the touch screen when it is moving for safety. The control wheel is great.
Almost EVERY other manufacturer provides a touchscreen infotainment screen....so your "safety" issue rings pretty hollow.
No point in having a real shifter when coupled to an electronic box. Buttons work really well, like what Honda does. The shift is there to satisfy old habits associated to old technology, but it is just silly… I have to say CR has been a big critic of buttons, but why? It’s silly to create a placebo device to simulate old tech.
I just don't understand this obsession of adults that want to try and fit in the third row of a family car. This is an edge case argument that shouldn't be part of the conversation of which 3 row SUV is best.
Fully agree. Most people's children or pets are smaller than adults (there maybe a very small number of exceptions).
8:23 Actually Toyota owns quite a bit of the shares of Mazda's
Toyota owns 5.05% of Mazda.
Toyota owns about 25% now and plans to buy another 10% soon.
It will great to drive the diesel version when it will be sell in Europe
I've seen huge number of road tests over the years. I don't remember any where "dummy weight" (mass to be exact) was used to simulate the passenger plus "cargo" in the rear of the vehicle. This is not a realistic testing. Reason for this comment: "you don't need the 340."
Car reviewers need to be more brutal, like the tech reviewers. The more triggered the fanboys, the better. CR is the only car reviewer who does this. Every other car reviewers on youtube are too afraid of the mob.
so like a Mercedes or BMW...but reliable...and not cost a fortune to repair!
Exactly!
I’m in California and just got a Genesis GV60. I was able to a few thousand off MSRP and the $7,500 IRA rebate in a lease. BTW, I replace a Tesla Model 3 with it.
No one talks about people going back to ICE, my neighbour traded his Taycan for a Panamera ICE 😮.
About the shifter...Both our KIAs are so intuitive..pull back all the way...surprise you're in drive...slot left for manual...down one from park and R...no thinking required! Thx guys!
It would have been ssooo much better if Mazda just would have given the CX-90 just a regular good old traditional shifter.. This works MUCH better and everyone already knows how to use it.. and it works just fine.
We tested a cx30 the entertainment system was fumbling to operate this car should have a touch screen when then tested RAV4 hybrid the whole test with the cx 30 we couldn’t figure out how to work the entertainment system with the rav it was so easy myself I’ve been waiting for the cx70 my lease on my 22 pathfinder is up in 2024 September but if it doesn’t have a touchscreen I probably won’t lease it Genesis maybe my choice
Why not recommend Teslas looking at how easy the whole buying experience is?
They do.
It will last and do better than a BMW or Mercedes. Mazda does no wrong!
Toyota currently owns about 25% of Mazda.
"Mazda is really just going it alone here"..... no they aren't they have a shared factory with Toyota in the states.... how is that going it alone?
The CX90s are all built in Japan. It's generally accepted that Japan built is better quality than U.S. built. Even on the same make and models.
All Lexus were Japan built until recently. And, their are cracks showing in the Lexus reliability ratings with the U.S. built models.
Drinking game! Do a shot every time Gabe says “ahhh”
Its amazing how long you speak about EVs and don't mention Tesla!
Talk about above msrp... no mention of Tesla.
Talk about tax credit... no mention of Tesla.
Talk about EVs being expensive, no mention the Model 3 after tax credits is cheaper than a Camry!
No wonder people feel you are anti Tesla, I was both shocked and disappointed
I test drove this vehicle and found it drives like a boat. I’m 6’2” and the lift gate doesn’t go high enough to let me stand underneath, it’s really awkward. I don’t like how the screen is so far back. In Canada the top trim is $10k USD less expensive than in the US.
I've seen a new vehicle where the open height can be adjusted, but I don't remember the name.
I read where the seating depths are not very good either. The BMW thigh extenders are the best.
Mazda is to Japan as what Saab was to Sweden.
The cars sounds right up my alley but the thing that concerns me is the engine compartment and the lay-out. I heard that the bay is small and the engine is shoehorned into it. The other thing i heard was that the timing belt is in the rear of the engine and the engine has to be pulled out to service it. It sounds like it would be a mechanics, or owners, nightmare. Anyone heard that?
Mazda is using a timing chain. Not a belt. Timing chains generally last the life of the vehicle and are not serviced or replaced.
Timing chain lasts the life of a car unlike TIMING BELT that needs replacement at certain mileage. So chain being at the back or any side is not an issue.
How many miles will you drive this CX before the chain “needs” to be replaced……….🤔
There won't be a shortage of batteries, The Canadian Government has given both Volkswagen and
Stellantis 10's of billions of dollars to build plants to manufacturer batteries while EV cats sales
are plummeting. They'll be out of business before their completed.
As long as Ive been driving, if you don't put the car in park it wont be in park.
EV rules for tax credits are confusing. Here are some to try to help: If you are single and you make a modified AGI over $150,000, you don't get any credit. If you are married and you make a modified AGI over $300,000 you don't get any credit. If you are the head of household and you make a modified AGI over $225,000 you don't get any credit. In 2024 the rules will be simplified. The new rule is that if you’re buying a clean vehicle, you will have the option, beginning in 2024, to take the EV tax credit as a discount at the time you purchase the vehicle. Essentially, you would be transferring the credit to the dealer, who would be able to lower the price of the vehicle by the amount of the credit. This means that you won’t have to wait until it’s time to file your tax return to benefit from the electric vehicle tax credit.
Oh my Saab.
Yes
Umm, wasn’t this suppose to be a Mazda CX-90 review?
Mazda at 60k is a tough sell no matter how good a crossover it is
As someone who only buys Subarus and Mazdas, there’s no way I’m paying $60k when I can get a Forester for 1/3 less
The Forester is not in the same class, you would have to look at the CX-30/CX-50…..I do agree that prices are getting out of hand. I see people driving these beasts that will never use the space or tow capacity.
Comparing a Forester to the CX90 ☠️. It’s not even remotely comparable. The CX90 is bigger, way more refined, has a turbo i6 and rwd architecture, and a significantly nicer interior. It also starts at 40k with a ton of standard equipment. Why do people always mention the highest price? This car is one of the best bargains on the market in the lower trims.