Shadow Systems CR920P vs Springfield Hellcat RDP
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- What happens when you put two comparable micro compact pistols up against each other? In our case, we compare the Shadow Systems CR920P Elite to a Springfield Armory Hellcat RDP. These two pistols are the most comparable ones on the market and share many similarities.
How do they shoot? Watch the video to find out. Which shoots flatter? Watch the video to find out! They both feature proprietary compensators on them and both of them are the same size. One pistol maybe better but both are great options.
The Shadow Systems CR920P is a newcomer to the game with the comp, multi optic footprint and great overall design. While the Springfield Hellcat RDP has been around for a few years and more than proven itself for reliability. We have around 2000 rounds for reliability and durability testing on the RDP and it has been 100 percent reliable. For the CR920P it can be a touch picky on hollow point rounds.
Check out the comparison and let us know your thoughts or what pistol you would rather carry!
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Lets see a comparison of the CR920P and the Sig Macro. Once you put the extended magazine in the Cr920P, its pretty close to the macro.
No the macro is still larger in grip length by quite a bit. They are actually longer in grip length then a G19
@@HuntFishShootChannelwhich do you feel is better between the macro and shadow systems.
The macro shoots flatter with less recoil and more capacity while it is bigger, I would carry a macro over the CR920P for certain scenarios, however I carry a MR920 as my EDC.
Good video and more like these would be helpful for those looking to get one as opposed to both (like I currently have). You did a great job breaking down the differences and things folks need to consider (such as the legality of the threaded barrel). With that said, I have both in a very close race and a flip of the coin could determine which one to take. The grip for me feels better with the SS-CR920, however the difference is in the palm swell, especially if using the 15 round mags on the Hellcat. The RDP shoots so much better vs. the regular Hellcat (yes, much better) that it truly is a pistol to carry. The muzzle flip is not bad at all. I do prefer the RDP trigger over the SS-CR920, but as you pointed out, the serrations on the SS-CR920 is by far much better. Both carry very well, though I may at times prefer to carry the SS-CR920 simply because the holster I have - @QVCTactical (shoutout to Roger) wears so well. I shoot both relatively the same, as well. Ultimately, don't think you can go wrong with either.
This is all true!
Glad we could help and thank you for watching!
Nice video! I’ve noticed the RDP (or Hellcat in general) has much more manageable recoil with that 15 round mag. The little extra grip purchase for me really makes a real difference for someone with larger hands.
Definitely nice on there!
My CR920 couldn't even get through a single mag without the trigger assembly breaking. It went back for an RMA the day after I took delivery.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
I'm so in love with my 920P that it's by far my favorite carry option to shoot. I've even sold my modded 43X and other small guns. Now it's just the LCP MAX Elite (for super small) or the 920P for most carry. I DID replace the trigger, and I do want them to come out with a 16-17 backup/HD magazine for it.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing! We hold our hopes for a Glock 48 like Shadow Systems pistol.
I have a Glock 48 and I like it. It’s my first Glock. I put over 1k rounds on it. The trigger is better now breaking at 4lbs. It’s the stock trigger. The only thing I put is the handle it grips. Mahalo and Aloha 🤙🏽
What trigger did you go with?
Own both, I will agree that the CR920 is easier to shoot, but had a trigger failure at 500 rounds, again at 850, and the striker disassemble itself at 1248 rounds exact. Maybe I got a lemon, but they ended up sending me a whole new weapon, and customer service was top notch. Second CR920 zero issues in 1100 rounds. The RDP had one failure to feed which was partially my fault!at around 1300 rounds. My personal experience with both.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
On my second CR920 and same issues with both. Will feed FMJ fine and will not reliably feed JHPs. Tried Speer gold dots, HSTs, critical defense and it’s the same problem with them all. Ditching the shadow systems and never going back.
Owned both, still own the shadow, that's all I'll say
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This guy is Top Pistol Reviewer.
No BS…just what we need to know.✌️
Hell yeah! That’s what I like to hear!
I already had the original CR920 when they release the comp version so now i will wait for the comp version of the CR920X
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Great video! I was looking to buy a CC and was torn between these 2 pistols. At the end of the video i realized maybe the s.s. has a slight edge. But not by much. So basically it's preference at this point.
You can't go wrong with any of the two. Thanks for the video. 🎉
That is exactly right! Thanks for watching!
Own both and I agree with your assessment. The Cr920 is definately the better option. The comp on the RDP imo, doesn't work as well as the CR920P. If you shoot the CR920 and the Cr920 P back to back, there's a significant difference in recoil. That's not the case with the standard Hellcat and the RDP. A slightly better trigger on the CR920P and you're good to go.
Great comparison 👍
For sure! Huge difference between the Non comped CR920 and this P!
Excellent side-by-side review. Thanks!
You are welcome!
The Rdp is my edc and i shoot it better and faster then some of my full size guns, i load fairly spicy ammo at lighter grain ,it really gets the comp working. I also really like the mag options you ca go as low as 10 up 17 rounds with factory mags.
Great! It’s a good choice!
I absolutely love my rdp!
Wait 17? You mean 15? 15 is the largest OEM they make unless somehow I DRASTICALLY missed something 😂 I have an RDP as well and love it. But please where are these 17rders
@@Jeff-uw7sx you can get factory 17 round Hellcat mags you just need the grip spacer / extension or you take the a 15 round mag and take the +2 extension from a 13 round mag that has an extended baseplate if you have the older mags which I assume. Install the +2 baseplate on the full 15 round mag and now you have a 17. The numbered window on the rear of the mag will let you know the capacity of the mag body itself.
@@Jeff-uw7sxhellcat pro mags
I have struggled to grow to love my CR920 regular, and while its sealed its place as my carry gun, i still dread my trigger. The original trigger was horrendous, SS replaced it, and i still feel like it needs much improved. Gritty takeup, then a wall, then so much creep it feels like a double action before a suprise break.
Also agree with your mag button comments, too flush and hard to reach back for. Flubbed a bunch of reloads at a Carry Trainer class. But then i put on a hogue grip sleeve which increased the grip circumference and now its SO much easier to actuate.
Really hope they sell the barrell and comp separately to original CR owners, cuz it does shoot well, was suprised how i could keep up with and surpass people in classes even with their full size glocks and berettas.
It does shoot well indeed. Not too sure how familiar you are with Glock style triggers, but in general the more you shoot them, the better they get. With most small frame micro guns, reloads are a pain in comparison to a compact or subcompact size gun like a G19 or Sig Xcompact
I definitely didn't think the trigger was a high point, but I didn't have the "surprise break" experience at all. It basically felt like a Glock. Which, for me, means terrible in dry fire, and just fine on the range.
Hoping your trigger improves with more break-in!
I bought the CR920P thinking it would be better, it was a waste of money. Since I already had the RDP i should have just stayed with it. My RDP shoots way better. I thought it was just me being used to it, I kept trying with the CR920P since I spent so much money. Better magazines and better trigger on the RDP. If you have a Hellcat OSP or RDP, just stick with it, you'll thank me later.
Thanks for sharing your experience and opinions
Gotta disagree ol buddy SS CR920P blows any subcompact pistol out of the water so to everyone handle both pistols and choose for yourself cr920p is the best handling/accurate in my opinion .
Better then performance center ?
Oh man. Some reviews I read were saying the hellcat shot a lot snappier. Hm.
@@hodl-eth-6036 yes in my opinion I have owned the s&w pc subcompact 9mm and it’s trash compared to the cr920p ergos are better esthetics are better recoil management is better and the trigger is better .
I own a SA Hellcat RDP and really like the look of the compensator as it has a kind of old school look to it. I also disagree as far as the slide serrations go. The ones on the Hellcat are basically perfect for a CC or daily carry. They are neither deep nor sharp enough to snag yet have enough definition for good grip / rack. My hellcat replaced a S&W M&P 40c (which has way too pronounced slide serrations) as my CC and it's near perfect as far as I'm concerned. When it comes to the accuracy of 1st and follow-up shots I've never owned better in this size category.
The RDP is a great little pistol!
Slide serrations and grip textures can be somewhat subject and user preference is what is paramount for carry guns.
Great comparison, thanks! One thing the RDP offers is an optional safety for those of us that wear gloves(ride motorcycles or live in cold states). Gloves reduce hand sensitivity and make for a tight fit between the trigger and trigger guard. Having a manual safety can prevent a negligent discharge while drawing.
those aren't legit reasons for a manual safety
@@DannyHerron Disagree, based on shooting/training for 20+ years. Perhaps it’s not a problem for those with small hands.
You can get a safety if that’s something you are into or want!
@wisco_guy the size of your hands does not cause you to pull the trigger accidentally. If you have a ND while drawing, it's cause you did something terribly wrong. This is a fact, not opinion.
What a perfect pair of pistols to compare.
Our thoughts exactly!
I would go with the cr920p.
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I liked the Hellcat, liked the Shadow Systems Elite better. Trigger, grip angle, and grip texture. I just shot it better. Also liked the way the Shadow Systems designed their optics connection, and compensator connection. I bought the Shadow Systems.
ive been looking for a comparison video like this for a while!! I had the hellcat rdp and I wanted to like it. the grip texturing was not aggressive enough for me, and my hands couldn’t bite into the grip, especially shooting outside in sweaty florida. also noticed it was a very snappy even with the compensator. i’m sure it helped with recoil compared to the non-comp hellcat, but it was too much snap for me. made the switch the a CrP and man it is such a flat shooting pistol!!
Hell yeah! Makes us happy to
Hear! Thanks for watching!
Both are sweet bro, BUT RDP ALL THE WAY MIKE.. stay safe brother
Ha! Great pistol for sure!
I own both the hellcat & hellcat pro. Both have threaded barrels, I’ve installed the Springfield comp on both. I havent shot the pro with the comp yet. I have shot the hellcat RDP( I installed the Springfield threaded barrel & comp making the RDP from the OSP), l enjoy shooting it. I too mounted the Vortex CCW on mine
@@russprescott6657not quite an OSP to RDP conversion exactly. The RDP comes with their newer V2 trigger. I also have the Vortex defender CCW on my RDP. Love it
Thank you!!!!!!! for this review!!
Thanks for watching! 💪
I bought a stainless Hellcat RDP its a sweet little rig
Awesome!
I think the compensator on the cr920 is better. The gas comes out all at the top which keeps it flatter. Id like the for the rdp.
Very true!
Another awesome review: great comparison. FYI: I took your advice and got the Sig p320 AXG legion. Pricey purchase for sure, but holy heck: what an amazing gun. I shot it back to back with my Sig p229 SAO legion, and actually shot the p320 AXG better, which shocked me.
Back to this review: I’m thinking of adding another carry gun to my one and only shield plus, which I’m still learning to control the recoil with. I don’t have your large hands, so finding the right carry gun with the right grip module and angle really matters. The gun that would be great to compare to the CR920p would be the new Sig 365 AXG legion - I’m hearing amazing things. But it’s pricey. It would prob be similar to comparing the 320 AXG Legion to the DR920p.
The Sig X Macro could be perfect for you then and worth it. The CR920P shoots extremely well and especially for its size. We had a review of the X Macro but it was taken down by UA-cam for no real reason
So far the worse part about my rdp is the wasp. I've had to rma it once and decided to sell the one they replaced it with and buy a different rds.
The wasp and the dragonfly are terrible red dots. We have broken 4 of them combined. Every single one we have owned has broken.
My RDP came with a Shield red dot. Haven’t had any problems with it so far. Is the Shield better than Wasp?
Yea that’s why I bought the RDP without a red dot and just bought a Vortex Defender CCW. Love it. Fits right out of the box too.
I'm new to carrying, but I want something smaller than I have now. What is your recommendation on carrying a compensator? Is it overkill and unnecessary or a good option?
I think it’s a great idea, it takes the snap or recoil out of the smaller micro pistols.
I currently carry the rdp and have conceal carried more than a hand full of different guns. Full sized duty, tiny metal compacts, a snub nose and a couple different micro 9s. As far as comfort goes the rdp comp hasn't caused any issues. As for shootability, I do notice a difference in recoil apposed to other micro 9s, but the difference is far from making them necessary in my opinion.
Yeah definitely not necessary, much like red dots on hand guns, but they both help a lot.
Keep in mind, there is a difference between the Holosun and Shield footprint. To direct mount a Holosun to the Hellcat, the rear recoil lugs need to be shaved down. Otherwise, it needs an adapter plate
Great info!
Hellcat for reliability
It’s been nothing but reliable!
"How does it feel in night vision?"
Like Sam Fisher
Seen several videos where the cr920 has cycling or failure to feed issues That alone makes me choose hellcat. All the fancy cuts, and compensator are irrelevant if the gun wont fire . The gun community as a whole cares to much about furniture and mods over dependability. Looks like u got a good one, but wont know until after 500 rounds
I bought and subsequently sold both of these guns within the past year. I didnt find the compensators truly tamed either of them significantly. I also didn’t shoot either of these as well as my tried and true S&W Shield Plus. If the shield plus had a pic rail to run standard tlr7sub lights vs the garbage tlr6 you're stuck with i think it would be the perfect do everything pistol.
Stick with what you shoot well
@HuntFishShootChannel very true. I try to chase the "perfect carry gun" but at the end of the day carry with what you shoot best and feel like you could use most effectively if it ever came to it
That’s wild. I am practicing with my shield plus to make it my EDC, but still struggle a bit with the snappiness, although I find it less snappy than my previous p365XL. So, I was actually thinking of adding a SS CR920p because of such positive reviews in terms of how it shoots- plus I like the glock style grip angle. One thing is that I think the shield plus is great for those of us with smaller hands. I get a great purchase on the gun. Do you have smaller hands as well, which made for shield plus being the better option for you ?
@salmalad752 I wear a large sized glove. I just think the shield ergonomics is the best feeling gun in the hand for me personally. That helps negate some of the snapiness in my opinion. Just being able to really grip it and rip it
Hi. I appreciate your videos and your engaging explanations. I'm looking at CR920P vs MR920L threaded. I can't afford both. I understand that one may serve a different context better than the other, but if you had to pick one as your only pistol, which would it be? I bring up the MR920L threaded because of perhaps being as good as CR920P with recoil management (I don't know) and also threaded for option to put a can on it. Thanks for your time.
I would pick the MR920, not the L version. I carry it regularly and about twice as much as the smaller CR920. The shootability is perfect for the size and recoil is like a CR920P. Additionally, it’s just a touch wider with more capacity. So in short, if you can only have one, get the MR920, non L version and possibly even threaded for the ability to add a comp if you want it. I personally carry the MR920 Foundation Series. They are a phenomenal value.
Thank you for going out of your way to narrow it down to the MR920 for me. May I ask you why you mentioned not the L version? I trust your expertise on this and am just wondering if you can kindly elaborate on this when you have the chance. Thank you Mike.
@BondServant-kg3tq if you are getting it for carry the extra length will be noticeable and I don’t notice any difference in shootability. A lot of people claim they carry full size guns like a G17 or DR920 all the time in the appendix or hip. My question is then, do you carry it 100 percent of the time and have it on your person 100 percent of the time. The answer is likely a resounding no. I can carry the Mr920 in appendix or even hip without discomfort and lack of concealment. The smaller the gun, the better it will conceal. I personally look for a carry gun which shoots nearly as well as a full size duty gun, it’s comfortable to carry all the time and is readily concealable. Hope this helps!
@@HuntFishShootChannel Yep. If it's for 90% HD with 10% carry, the MR, but if it's gonna be carried for sure, then the 920P is way better...and CAN still be used for HD.
@@HuntFishShootChannelI would guess the CR920 Foundation Series would be a similar experience. Have you tried one out by chance?
Ya ill stick with my 365xl with magguts shots flat enough dont need a comp and with 14+1 cant go wrong
Ok great!
What’s your choice of self defense carry ammo for the CR920?
Hornady Critical Duty 135 Grain
I want that SS but the comp CR920p is damn expensive.
You can find some deals if you search but it’s not the cheapest!
@@HuntFishShootChannelFound one new for 800 and purchased it. Wife is gonna kill me. 😂😅
@@Three60Crusader let us know what you think! We are big fans!
I would like to see is a Comp vs Ported. But stock weapons. No after market stuff. Say like the S&W Shield Plus Ported PC 4 in. vs the CR920P. That would be something to watch.
Comped pistols are generally more effective but we appreciate the input! Something we may have to try!
What holster do you use for the cr920p?
One for a G48 MOS. We used a C and G holster for this!
Eclipse holsters makes several variations that are customizable!
Would a Holosun EPS fit on the CR920P..?
Yes they do!
Well then, SaWeet..! 🍻
Iove your content… Cheers..
Thanks homie! Much appreciated!
Rdp has 3-way burst comp. P has only up.
I suppose it does, it also doesn’t work as well. Not really even close
I believe you but, “ I dont have a scale, but I know this is about 5.5lbs”, sounds kinda crazy. Lol
It’s like a human gauge due to all
The pulls!
I found the differences too subjective. Both are great. 🤷🏽♂️
Yeah we said both are great. Recoil or lack there of is not.
I have the RDP and p365 macro 🤷🏽♂️ the macro is less snappy to me
Put some red lock tite in that rso and your legal in. Ca
Not gonna lie the side bide side of the recoil looked exactly the same lol and I just can’t trust the massive amount of message board reviews of people having FTF and other failures with these newer Shadow Systems guns and people waiting weeks and weeks to get them back from SS and the problem remains Which sucks cuz I want one badly but my luck I’ll get one of the flawed ones.
Not my experience or several others we personally know but choose what you trust.
Where is the Solgw review
It’s coming. We run with a backlog of videos
The RDP if I had to choose. The CR920 was one of the most unreliable pistols that I shot. Even after their bull💩 "break in period" (shot 450 rds) it wouldnt feed anything other than ball ammo. Also if you need a "technical tuesday" to create excuses of your guns dont function reliably then you know there is a problem.
Thank you for sharing your experience and technical Tuesday is a weekly video from them where they discuss customer questions and design features
U can take the hellcat 13rd and 15rd mag and make a 18rd and a 10rd
Sure 👍
So there's something better than the Hellcat?! Nope... Sorry... Keep trying. But I'd say they'll have to give up and start working on competition for the Echelon! Because it's a bada$$ gun that's smoking everyone now.
Lots of great options out there!
Love my RDP and yea man I want the echelon bad. Beautiful gun. Wondering if they will make smaller versions.
Why is the vortex one of ur fav reddots there straight trash
Because the ones I have used are fine.
Pessimism of the intellect optimism of the will
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It took 2 min in the vid and found this B.S biased all talk and no show how about zipping the bias garbage and do a side by side comparison with a few different ammos and shooters then we will see a non biased choice. And with plate adapters who cares what sight will fit. The only truth out of this waist of a vid is "its personal preference" the rest cosmetic bitching
Biased? The CR920P, in my experience is a flatter shooting more feature packed pistol for a slightly higher price tag. The RDP is a great pistol, it’s mentioned several times in the video. There is no reality where the RDP shoots flatter, different ammos? That won’t change anything. In fact a higher grain ammo or something hotter will then shoot even flatter out of the CR920P.
Here’s a good idea, drop us a link to your channel and we can get a good idea as to how it’s done.
Bias for sure!! Not a fair comparison. You know the Hellcat RDP is a 920 killer!! Stop it!!
Make you own video, with your own 8k worth of camera gear and then with a refined grip and shooting ability show us why you think that.
The RDP came out before the CR920P. Just so you know 👍
@@HuntFishShootChannelthe 8k camera comment was wildly unnecessary and is just showing off for the sake of showing off. You don't need an 8k camera to make a very good comparison video.
No you’re right, but you do need a skill set and some level of legitimacy for calling someone bias.
That’s also not showing off, that’s simply just laying the groundwork for if you are such an expert and I’m biased, make your own video that doesn’t look and sound like you filmed it with a handy cam from 99.
How do younot care about a few malfunctions here and there? What TF are you smoking john? No malfunctions with the Hellcat at all and somehow your still riding the CR 920's balls like your getting paid for this video. 😂😅😅
I’m starting to think you are getting paid to ride the balls of the RDP since you prefer it so much to the CR920P and can’t remain even remotely objective. Who is John? Do you listen to entire statements or just paraphrase?
The worst part about your inability to comprehend opinion based observation is you completely missed several parts where we give the RDP higher remarks and prefer certain aspects. The RDP is not as soft shooting or easy to shoot under recoil as the CR920P, lacks aggressive slide serrations, the grip textures are less “grippy”, the optics mounting platform is less innovative and accepting to multiple dots and the trigger is heavier. On top of all this, some people really care, but the Hellcat is not made in the United States but made in Croatia.
Duh? Of course your going to pick the gun you own and carry everday over a gun you dont even though you know that the Hellcat out performs that CR 920 any day of the week.
Did you know it’s possible to put all of your thoughts into one well worded comment?
Bias video my guy. We can tell right away without letting us know that you spent way to much mi by for your 920 and you know the RDP is the best firearm overall.
That’s fine if you think it’s biased. The bias, if that’s what we are calling it, is based off shoot-ability and feature set. you should try shooting both of them side by side, we feel you won’t think the same afterwards. Regardless, they are both great pistols and the RDP was one of the first comped pistols available!