Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy | Lex Fridman Podcast
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- Annie Jacobsen is an investigative journalist and author of "Nuclear War: A Scenario" and many other books on war, weapons, government secrecy, and national security. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
2:13 - Nuclear war
6:57 - Launch procedure
12:36 - Deterrence
16:09 - Tactical nukes
25:35 - Nuclear submarines
28:35 - Nuclear missiles
35:46 - Nuclear football
44:53 - Missile interceptor system
49:10 - North Korea
55:46 - Nuclear war scenarios
1:04:38 - Warmongers
1:09:06 - President's cognitive ability
1:15:19 - Refusing orders
1:23:17 - Russia and Putin
1:28:23 - Cyberattack
1:29:45 - Ground zero of nuclear war
1:34:24 - Surviving nuclear war
1:38:42 - Nuclear winter
1:49:05 - Alien civilizations
1:54:40 - Extrasensory perception
2:08:25 - Area 51
2:12:23 - UFOs and aliens
2:22:51 - Roswell incident
2:29:30 - CIA assassinations
2:48:23 - Navalny
2:50:48 - KGB
2:57:24 - Hitler and the atomic bomb
3:01:27 - War and human nature
3:04:53 - Hope
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2:13 - Nuclear war
6:57 - Launch procedure
12:36 - Deterrence
16:09 - Tactical nukes
25:35 - Nuclear submarines
28:35 - Nuclear missiles
35:46 - Nuclear football
44:53 - Missile interceptor system
49:10 - North Korea
55:46 - Nuclear war scenarios
1:04:38 - Warmongers
1:09:06 - President's cognitive ability
1:15:19 - Refusing orders
1:23:17 - Russia and Putin
1:28:23 - Cyberattack
1:29:45 - Ground zero of nuclear war
1:34:24 - Surviving nuclear war
1:38:42 - Nuclear winter
1:49:05 - Alien civilizations
1:54:40 - Extrasensory perception
2:08:25 - Area 51
2:12:23 - UFOs and aliens
2:22:51 - Roswell incident
2:29:30 - CIA assassinations
2:48:23 - Navalny
2:50:48 - KGB
2:57:24 - Hitler and the atomic bomb
3:01:27 - War and human nature
3:04:53 - Hope
Lex, you're a Commie???? GIVE YOUR WATCH BACK TO JOE ROGAN!! 🤣🤣🤣😂😂
DEAR LEX FRIDMAN ! I hope you will see this comment. If we (I hope you too) want to stop the insane anti-Trumpist propaganda and if we all want the victory of Civilization, I kindly ask you to interview Andrei Illarionov - he is the former first deputy director of the Working Center for Economic Reforms under the Government of Russia (1992-1993 ), head of the analysis and planning group under the Chairman of the Russian Government (1993-1994), economic adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin and confidant (Sherpa) of the Russian President in the G8 (2000-2005). It will be a "bomb", I guarantee you, Lex.
Thanks lex 🙌 love your work my brother ❤️
Thank you! time stamps are so much more convenient in the comments
Great discussion
She's telling us the entire world and human race is minutes away from annihilation, and everyone in comments saying "I love her voice"
It’s very concerning
Pretty sad. 😂
It definitely epitomizes the human race.
Well most people knew that already so it's not exactly breaking news.
People are switching focus from the "substance" to the "form" - because they are so weak minded.
Well this was a lovely uplifting little chat
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Welcome to the existential nuclear dread of the Cold War. Everyone kinda forgot about it.
LOL.
Lol
lol lifted up right into the cloud.
I understand now why this guy got so popular so fast. This is one of the highest quality interviews I've ever seen.
This is intense. Frankly it reminds me of my childhood. I'm 52, so 8 years old in 1980... We lived with an awareness of the perilous situation that existed, and hasn't changed, just below the surface. I remember nuclear drills in Elementary school, and the movie The Day After. Many nightmares... What she said about the situation itself was not revealing to me, but what got my attention was the confirmation that we are closer now than we ever were. Combine that with a societal move away from the awareness that was hammered into my generation and you have a widening gulf between our knowledge of and perception of the importance of the nuclear issue, and the reality on the ground. That gulf in my mind increases further the likelihood that we may end up in a situation where, as we wobble around on our way forward, one wobble will take us too close to the edge. Because we forgot how close the edge is. She is reminding us, and I think that what she is doing is of the utmost importance.
I'm 53, and I remember that time, the movie The day after. Put your bed against the window. Go under the stairs. It was drummed in to us.
The fear that came from every plane flying overhead.
Is it worth the public knowing all this?
We are at the mercy of one mad man.
I'll be 40 this year & upon hearing
The drills in school. The Soviet threat was real then (at least it felt that way) The berlin wall came down when I was in high school. Then when the USSR broke apart it was really iffy not knowing who had what access to nukes. Then was the calm. I was explaining to my kids because this is a new feeling for them but we grew up with it.
Well I just want to thank you guys for preventing nuclear holocaust by squatting under those desks so often thereby giving my generation a chance to squander this world for a bit.
Here’s to parents getting the world all hot n bothered and then projecting their fears and PTSD onto us kids!👍🏾
@@pete_blackburnnot a whole lot has changed. There’s been a period of forced smiles, hand shakes of pageantry, and they adopted western capitalism lite. Make no mistake, they are just as proudly nationalistic, and steeped in their own propaganda as they’ve always been. It would seem now that they just have more money from their brand of capitalism than they might have previously had with which they perhaps can fund more fighting. Also if you put any stock into what Noam Chomsky has to say, refer back to Lex’s interview with him where he insists that the threat from Russia has never been more real than now.
At least I think that was Chomsky…🤔
Horrific subject but so nice to listen to two people who let the other finish their sentences and thoughts. Manners make interviews flow well and easier to absorb.
I wish Finkelsteiner and Borreli were on this interview... said no one
true and leaders should be able to do the same...
It helps straighten out misunderstandings to be polite and to let eachother talk without being interupted too.
@@BinKillEthicalFunklestain and Borealis
So are you gonna keep playing the STUPID game of giving power, consent, legitimacy, 💵 and weapons to gangsters to dictate how you gonna live and die like a well-trained law obeying slave?? 😂😂
Her voice is amazing.
like her skin care? yeah, smokey af - super hot! NOT
her hair is amazing. I don't know what shampoo she uses, but I NEED her hair routine
most amazing voice ever
She narrated the audiobook version of her books and they're great.
You should hear her speak Mandarin! 😂😂😂😂
Episode 420 with Annie Jacobsen is just too much of a sign from the universe to roll one up and enjoy learning
Holy shit that’s great 😮💨
Listening to this baked, your mind starts to wish everyone was high 😅
Can listen to Annie all day. Well researched and delivers calculated punches in the horrifying reality we live alongside of everyday but do not see. We strongly hope we never have to see or experience nuclear war.
A dear friend in the Air Force helped set the satellite system up to detect missile launch. He could not tell me much about it. I learned more through this interview. My friend’s work makes him a hero to me. So here’s to you Col. John.
I should not have 420 blazed it for the 420th podcast. This is intense.
Right there with you brother, lmao.
Lex appears to have ignored the significance of this important milestone. Unless you count nuclear war as the ultimate and final blaze-up. A lot of ganja would certainly go up in those mushroom clouds, all those dispensaries... Which American city would have the most THC product in its mushroom cloud do you think?
I hope you've recovered from your "420 blazed" experience listening to Annie Jacobsen, although I expect you reconsidered your options soon after posting this comment.
You went there and I'm glad.
@@TeacherTom1 World governments are going to nuclear war to get the whole planet high
Brooooo for real😅
For everyone, she narrates her own books on audible
I might buy the audio book just to listen to that sultry voice.
Now that’s how you sleep!
I’ll buy on Audible, where I read all my books recently. Would be nice to read something other than the magnificence of Skippy the beer can AI 😅 Edit, Skippy is an arsehole, but I’d like him on my side.
I have been wondering if she read her own book! I'm getting audible stat!
Is it just audible that she reads her own or can I get it on other platforms?
The book and PBS version of Command and Control chilled me to the core. The Damascus Incident still brings the people involved to tears. Some great movies to watch on this topic: Fail-Safe, The Bedford Incident, Threads.
I love her it’s like listening to Sarah Conner in T2 for three hours 😂
amazing reference :D
She'll be back.
Can we get her to say "Anybody not wearing 18 million sunblock is gonna have a pretty bad day, get it!?"
6minutes? It will take at least 15 minutes to wake Joe up
Joe and his handlers most likely started the war
😂😂
😂 Funniest comment I've read in 2024 😂
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Joe has nothing to live for. He would not hesitate to destroy all of the Northern hemisphere.
I have a feeling that i've just watched a documentary. Explanations are so wide and detailed. Thank you Lex, for another great guest! Peace!
1:st answer are so stupidly wrong the rest are not worth any human beings time.
@@ed1658 the whole time i was like "yeah like the US government is telling this chick all their classified nucelar weapons info" lmao
If she was speaking with a democrat or republican then it’s all lies anyway. And I hated the voice she used for this interview, I’m not a child and don’t care to be spoken to like a child
YAY! Anne is back with another podcast!
I seriously hope she does audio for her books.
Anne, I have Operation PaperClip, and your CIA book!
I have no words to describe how thoughtful, patient, smart, intriguing, studious… ( having a hard time with more adjectives to describe this amazing woman!)
*Annie.
I am one of those who thinks that we are not the first advanced human civilization to have existed on this earth. Lex makes a good point about what would be lost and what would persist.
Lex you’re just on a real tear with the guests lately. Bravo
Yea, a real journalist. Not a POS hack like Tucker Carlson.
One of the best interviews I have ever seen. Sadly, such a tragic subject.
He's admitting he would defying orders of nuclear strikes and openly saying it is suspect af
This is CIA propaganda to try and get through to putin on the back of the Tucker - Putin interview
hes just recycling guests from daddy rogan
If there’s anyone I want to read me bedtime stories it’s this woman. Please tuck me in Annie.
Me first, me first 😂🤣😂
Haha 😂
Hell yea
Bedtime story of everyone’s death
😂
Lex has the best guests possible, my deepest respect.
Today, it has been announced that Denis Villeneuve will direct a film adaptation of Annie Jacobsen's "Nuclear War: A Scenario." I think it is crucial to do all means necessary to have people read the book. Associating Villeneuve to it is already a big step.
Why is this not the #1 topic of concern for everyone on earth
Because there’s a 0% chance of it happening.
Everyone knows the outcome of nuclear war, nobody that has access to start a nuclear war is going to start a nuclear war.
good question
@@heereez she is a liar trying to sell her book.
nuclear war could be done without any fall out and very little of the radiation poisoning these days
still scary and very relevant but it just annoys me how shes like "IN MY BOOK" every two seconds.
Because you have no control (not even the illusion of control) at all over it... so what to stress you about it?
Ignorance is bliss unfortunately
Those enamored by Annie’s voice should know that she narrates her own books.
I’ve consumed 4 of her collection-all are great, but her narrations make them my top fav audiobooks.
perfect for falling asleep.
Fixations on her voice do her wok and research a disservice.... She is fearless... And undoubtedly brilliant.
But add that she narrates her own books and gives interviews like this.... Winner. My favourite research journalist now that the equally brilliant John Pilger has left us. I adored that man. There's an interview of him meeting Donald Feith.....I think he wrote fur Dubya... And Pilger tells him that the USA has been responsible for the over throw of at least 70 Democratically elected governments since the end of WWII. Feith said that's ridiculous...Pilger says to him... No it's not...I got the information from your Congressional library here in Washington.... You want me to show you. Interview ended...🤣🤣🤣🤣
Its how I read surprise kill vanish. Or she read it to me. Lol
Not my worst fap
Best and most useful comment ever
Her book on nuclear war is incredible. Why these weapons still exist is mind boggling.
Thank you very much @LexFriedman for this absolutely fascinating interview, fascinating guest, excellent questions, profound insights and fascinating conversation... Unbeatable!
Dear Lex: Of the many, many truly great interviews I've had the pleasure to watch on your podcast over the years , this is arguably the best for a number of different reasons: 1) The content; 2) the interview itself as conducted by you ; 3) AJ who, apart from being a phenomenal storyteller, comes through as an extremely likeable and trustworthy person and 4) as a reminder of how the mind of a real journalist operates...!
What irks me of this one is her not even question the nuclear war rhetoric itself lately, the strategic impact of DEWs and the nonsense about the North Korea threat narrative. WW1 and 2 were managed events and 3 will be too which instantly changes the playbook. All she does is describing a chaotic nuclear exchange which isn't the most likely outcome.
@@sinisaaru5033a chaotic nuclear exchange seems like the inevitable and only option, in my understanding. It’s just bc of the logic of the escalation chain. Just think about it - if an enemy has thousands of strategic nuclear weapons and can theoretically disable your deterrent with a first strike, they win if you give them the time to do so.
If your policy is anything other than massive retaliation, you automatically lose to whoever decides launch the all out strategic strike first. So you can’t play out the usual escalation chain, you have to jump straight to the end or else you’re vulnerable
@@sinisaaru5033you seem to not grasp the concept of mutually assured destruction and how that plays out. That’s the point- it cannot be “managed”. It’s a bluffing game that quickly “unravels”.
wtf? he had really brilliant minds on, then this quack and you think its the best content ever?
she has provided zero evidence but makes all the claims in the world
you really must be into tiktok conspiracy videos too i guess
@@brittanygardner The issue isn't mutual destruction but if the scenario the public perceives as real isn't actually engineered. Imagine for a moment most nations are controlled by a deep state which is then again managed by secret societies. These secret societies use Hegelian dialectic where they create problems so people accept their solution. Problems like FFs/hoaxes/wars to make money, transform nations/societies/political systems/policies, reset monetary systems or just get rid of people.
These people could engineer a WW3 with limited nuclear exchange to manipulate the survivors to accept their global totalitarian governance.
Look what they've been trying post 2020 with the WHO take over or the great reset rhetoric coming from the WEF. These agendas require system and economical changes of epic proportions.
This interview should be distributed in every language, on every conceivable channel, internet, television, social media, linked in every newspaper....
The betas would cry in the streets. They have no understanding, and would want to disarm. ( Yes, I understand how crazy it all is - M.A.D. ) We'd be at any nuclear power's mercy, if they chose. We would be helpless.
Why? It has too much of a pro US flavor to be of any use. Way too romantic.
For what reason exactly? What on earth can anyone do about it. These decisions are out of anyone's control. So I am not sure what her messaged is exactly. Fearmongering? Yeah.. no thanks.
@@themapleleafforever1526 Exactly!!!
I mean the first hour is just fear mongering that has been talked about for at least 40 years now.
"Deeply classified information", literally every teenage boy in America since the 2000s knows this information XD
There once was a movement to reduce nukes but then we were distracted by climate change and intersection essentialism.
Listened to her when she was on Rogan. Amazing.
So happy to see her on this!
Nuclear submarines: "the handmaiden's of the apocalypse " just wow 👌
Good name for a band
When yo u see them sail by , in your landscape ( Scotland ) you have no doubt that they are .
I heard somewhere they can carry 90 nukes, just to make sure we’re all dead or back to Middle Ages
Such a powerful conversation. I wish this would reach the masses.
The masses are too ignorant and preoccupied shopping and fighting over what color their State is to gain anything from this. Let’s just be content knowing SOME Of us are hearing this.
I hope it doesn't. The only stuff she got right was the declassified stuff. Everything else is fiction.
1.6m have listened so far in just 8 days.
Great episode, had to split it up in two parts but worth every minute.
I just finished the audiobook today. It is BRUTAL, but expertly written.
She's had a lot of criticisms over her accuracy
I hope we get a 2nd interview soon, I could listen to her for days.
Danny Jones podcast, like 2 weeks ago.
2 hours 11 minutes 50 seconds and she talks about lobster dinner on our tax money !!!! yeah okay !!!!! what else is she going to talk about? $50,000 for a hammer ?
Her books are available on Audible and SHE narrates them.
@@seriousdon how about the $1000 toilet seats?? 😂😂
And how many times did you play the STUPID game of VOTING for gangsters to be your masters?? 😂😂
Do you know how to replay the video?? 😂😂
This was an absolutely incredible podcast and it blows me away once again that these kind of conversations are free to be a part of.
To listen to. Hard to be part of this type of deliberation
As a former USAF nuclear aircrew member, I can 100% verify this woman doesn't know what she's talking about in regards to nuclear weapons, launch times, nuclear warfare, or defense systems.
The info she was given is bogus. Some info was accurate, but none of the important stuff was. Think of this as a fiction novel.
@@MisteryMan2000please inform us
@@fcarriedo No thanks. I like my freedom.
@@MisteryMan2000 figured so. I know a fair amount about nukes and this seemed mighty sus
Once again Lex, amazing conversation! Very interesting talk and very critical and important to discuss. I need to look into her books that she has written. Thank you for what you do Lex and for the conversations you make happen.
insufficiently wise ... beautifully spoken. Dear Lex, you have the best interviews. thank you for sharing! and Thank You to Aniie Jacobsen for presenting some perspectives I had suspected and/or not considered. I think communication and trust are key too, but boy do we have to lear a lot in that regard.... continued blessings!
Watched the whole thing and couldn’t sleep for several hours….anyone else?😮😮😮
Every edicated in physics stoped in the beginning. Low infomation vorers continued.
No because the quantum of conscience channel seems to know how reality really works IMO..
@@tistelnilssonYou have 3 typos in your comment talking about education and low information lol.
We are in the middle of a psyop her voice is hypnotic..
lol shut up
Absolute milf as well! What a cutie
Not sure of a psyop, but definitely hear a malicious and bizarre tone. Equally strange as all of the comments of being lulled by her voice.
MKUltra was childs-play compared to what we have now 💀
Lex does the best long term interviews. Great work Lex!
Literally watched all of the clips, and then doubled back to listen to the whole conversation. Very insightful, and the combination of Lex and Annie's voices was extremely soothing for such a dreadful topic as nuclear war.
Her voice is like sitting next to a fireplace during a blizzard on Christmas Eve next to the love of your life while the grandchildren laugh and play in the next room
That's insane to say hahahah. She talks smooth but gotdamn dude 😂😂
lol that's quite the description there my guy 🤣🎅
Just like warm apple pie....
I remember a story about a situation in a sub where they thought missiles were being fired at us and he caught in right in the nick of time before it started nuclear war. Turned out to be glitches on the screen or something
....while she whispers sweet nothings like nuclear war....
Her ability to recall names and organizations with pinpoint accuracy is mind-bending.
The ability to recall facts and technical information isn't impressive if you simply use that as a way to scare people with literal sensationalism and draw illogical conclusions.
She quite literally lives in fantasy land.
What are you talking about? I bet that you can probably recite an encyclopedic knowledge on one particular subject. If she were naming 400 Pokémon, would you be equally impressed?
This woman is sensationalising and oversimplifying a lot of things and it's VERY clear she's just found an opportunity to sell a poorly researched book.
But how many times did she play the STUPID game of VOTING for gangsters to be her masters then BEG for CHANGE, or cry like a little baby?? 😂😂
and why u mad about it? at least she's doing something and not commenting to someone else work in the comments section of a video@@harrydavey9884
Umm what?@@lIlIlIlIlIlIIIIIIII
Line of the episode. “No matter how nuclear war starts we all end up dead”
Pretty daunting.
Lex, two things: 1) THANK YOU for doing these podcasts. 3 hours with an absolute expert on a gripping topic? Amazing!! Love it, love it, love it... Plus all the other ones you do - just amazing, educational, and fascinating! 2) I'm jealous you get to meet all these people but I get to live (and learn) vicariously through your podcasts. God bless and keep 'em coming! :)
Lex…I’ve got to tell you the truth. I love the way that you hold your interviews, but this has to be the best yet.
This woman is very well informed.
PLEASE bring more guests like this on. 10+ ⭐️
Absolutely!
And one demented octogenarian is the person who would decide the faith of the planet in this scenario. That's just... awesome.
His puppet👺 master.
So...don't vote for Dump. No, he's not quite an octogenarian, but he's absolutely insane.
Yeah, so much more reassuring with someone who openly talks about retribution upon taking office and establishing a dictatorship "for a period of time" 🙄 0 faith in either candidates with this responsibility.
You think Joey is in charge of the RACKET?? 😂😂
@@brianmucha6426 how about those well-trained law obeying slaves that keep playing the STUPID game of VOTING for gangsters to be their masters then BEG for CHANGE?? 😂😂
This was an excellent podcast. I bought her book and read it in a single sitting. It was a very engaging and thought-provoking read. One part that stuck with me was when she was discussing how its not just the buildings and structures that are destroyed in a nuclear attack, but everything inside of them as well. Patently obvious, of course, but not something you really spend a lot of time thinking about until its brought up. Museums and all of their displays, libraries, the collected works of humanity... all lost. The museums would be particularly heart breaking because even if humanity recovered and civilization rebounded in 200, 300, 1000 years... there are things in museums that would simply be lost forever. Some extinct species, for example, are identified from a single specimen and would be erased in nuclear fire.
It's not just human history that would be erased, but planetary history, biological history... gone.
Everyone needs to listen to this. My hope is that it hopefully makes you want to understand those you would call your enemy.
Russia is the aggressor.
What a f'd up way to experience sunday morning at 5:50am
Omg me too! What a fate.
With truth!
I'm using this to listen while I sleep at 6am Monday morning....
Luckily, I'm a nocturnal immortal wizard....so hardly matters to me of the Nukes begin a Prowl
Don't you know the biggest nuclear 💣 is the sun that you worship on Sunday?? 😂😂
We have become so accustomed to nuclear war that we don’t even think about it. We’ve become acclimated to the risk, Back in the 50s nuclear war was front and center and people were terrified of it and yet the danger is higher now than ever.
that's what I wrote
basically I agree though
Normalcy bias.
Because there is really nothing to talk about. Because there is nothing we can do about it anyway. She is just a fearmonger.
@@themapleleafforever1526 not true. Anti- Nuclear activism can have a role in disarmament. But if you are a fatalist who believes that humans cannot control their destiny then you are right.You might as well stick your head in the sand.
@@user-rv2zj8zu5b Anti-Nuclear activism is stupid. Let's say the US gets rid of their nukes. That doesn't make the world safer, all that means is Russia would have a massive advantage over the US. Whether you like it or not nukes are here to stay. Not to mention the fact that MAD (mutually assured destruction) has kept the world safe for 75 years. Even when we've come close to nuclear war, we never pushed the button. Why? because no one man has the power to launch nukes. People following orders launch nukes. Therefore, all of you are just fearmongering.
"Threads", a film from 1984 written by Barry Hines, should be in all school curriculum. It was in mine and it gave me a lifelong respect and concern over the civilization ending threat we have all lived under since the end of WW2.
First saw it when it was on the BBC in the 80s. I was 9 and didn't sleep for weeks. What struck me at the time was that it was the US who crossed the Rubicon and used a tactical weapon first. In the intervening decades I haven't seen anything that convinces me the US wouldn't strike first.
Lex, thank you so very much for having Annie on your podcast. I really wish everyone could hear and ⚠️LISTEN⚠️ to the message she is conveying, she is educated/ informed, articulate, and an absolute professional. 🌏😴🫣
Take a drink every time she says “Right”
HAHAHA Im gonna be in the floor bro
It's terrible isn't it?
It's making me insane.... She is so smart and eloquent - and her books are wonderful - but that needs to be reigned in.
I decided to do shots… this is my ghost typing this.
Sure thing, let's go.
Awesome!!!!
Wow, that was soooo interesting.
I’m buying her book. ❤
She is extremely interesting and so articulate with her explanations.
Not the vibes I wanted for episode 420, but sure... I guess I'll help myself to a heaping scoop of existential terror.
It's quite fitting really, everything up in smoke...
@@TeacherTom1😂👍
I grew up in Santa Fe, NM. I worked at LANL briefly but both my parents and my grandfather worked and retired from there. On of my classmates was Oppenheimer’s grandson who is now a film producer. I also have been to the atomic bomb museum as a school kid. Nuclear war is a very real thing. I have been waiting for Annie’s new book to be released. Always have loved her work.
👍Hopefully we can develop a counter weapon like a laser that will nullify nuclear weapons👍
@@johnman559any counter measure can always be overwhelmed by new tech or numbers. The Strategic Defense Initiative program was a failure and currently with hypersonic cruise missiles and Russia's doomsday torpedo there are too many other vectors to expect a space laser to be able to take out missiles in a long ballistic arc. Also prob one of the first things done in a real war would be nukes in low Earth orbit destroying and disrupting satellites.
They may not take out our defense systems. In preparation for war, if possible they will have hacked into them. After assuming control they could use our defense to take out our own offense.
@macabo Israel's "Iron Dome" missile defense system, while not batting 1000, is still pretty good, and I'd take that over nothing at all. Especially against nukes.
@@macaboGod forbid a nuclear exchange between the 2 big dogs but if it did happen, do people living far away in the southern hemisphere i.e. Chile, Sub-Saharan Africa, India, Australia, New Zealand have a much higher chance of survival? I mean the nations with the most nukes are all in the north.
Saving this one for April 20th! 😅
One of my favorite podcast I've listened to. Insightful
If anyone is up for a road trip, I would highly recommend the Titan Missile Museum near Tucson AZ.
Turning one of the launch keys is a very odd experience. The engineering is also very interesting.
I'll have to add that to my travel list! It sounds pretty cool!
I live in Tucson. The museum is near Green Valley. But there is a bunch of silos around here that are fenced off, one a half hour away from where I live.
There are youtube vids of the tour. When I went, our guide had been a enlisted missile maintainer stationed at that site. He was full of insight and humor. Sadly, I believe he past away a year or two ago.@@PhenoDubs
Most interesting day of my adult life was at Los Alamos. Great museum; awesome books.
Stanislav Petrov refused the order, Vasili Arkhipov refused the order
Glad you mentioned both of them.
wait wait wait what? from what?
Were those orders from the President though? (Or whatever the equivalent was in the USSR). My understanding is no, those were different
Did anyone remember the chiefs of staff calmly explain away refusing orders if a certain President got carried away?
@@raging100 Look up both names on Wikipedia.
Annie is a true gem. Thanks again Lex, for the passion you bring to your craft. Better and better.
I wish there was another 3hrs of this episode! What a truly fascinating podcast
Everyone needs to see the 1984 movie, "Threads".
Do a Threads and The Day After double feature.
I think you should warn what a terrifying and existential experience that movie is. I’ve never had anything like that from anything else.
Important, but certainly not to be taken lightly or confused with a regular film.
Just imagine someone who sleeps while listening to podcasts
they probably slept to this podcast too
to her soothing voice talking about end of humanity😃
It's my third trial.
Exactly my thought.
Um...she had something to say. Did it register at all?
@@susankohi1992 and this effects you how?
@@sophielegacy1648I'm thinking many triials
I’m surprised to see her pop up. Back in like 2012 I went on vacation to Florida and the place we were staying in had her book Area 51 and I found it so fascinating. I ended up buying it and it’s definitely worth getting.
Listening to Annie is like watching a movie unfolding full of excitement and action...
Thanks for introducing me to Annie Jacobsen. She is a unique journalist and an example for that industry.
The questions Lex asked to guide the conversation are honestly next-level as an interviewer. The answers were even more interesting and terrifying at the same time.
We were hooked from beginning to end
Really ?
It sounds like a good propaganda
How I wish it were propaganda. How I wish it were propaganda that Mike Johnson didn't accept money from the Russians to allow them to keep killing Ukrainians and not release their aid. May God have mercy on their souls. My suggestion.to the doubters: BUY.A BOOK AND READ READ AND READ. NOT HEADLINES...A BOOK. AND NOT VIDEOS AND HEADLINES. PLEASE. IT MAY SAVE YOUR LIFE.
Her: How do we know Russian subs are coming close to our shores? People asking for money from congress told us!!! Is everyone falling for this scare tactic lately? Russian subs threat also worked to scare liberal Swedes into joining a militaristic alliance. Sad yet funny.
Lex is obviously a incredibly talented interviewer but his real strength is in science-related interviews!
Lex is a Russia prop I am sure of it now. Defy nuclear orders and saying it to put that in people's head is treasonous and pathetic
Fascinating. Just bought the book to learn more.
One of the most important talks and information in a long time! One does not simply begin to imagine what a nuclear war would be like...
Every time she says "right?" It makes me think of that scene in Commando when Arnold says "WRONG!" and blows the guy away
"Remember how I said I was going to kill you last?"
Yeah! You DID say that!
"I lied."
@@wes11bravowhat did you do with Sally? I LET HIM GO 🤣
i would have loved for lex pushing back more and questioning her anecdotal hearsay evidence myriad
Whats really amazing is watching Lex's caffeine intake over a 3 hour time lapse...
“Her book” was written 30 years ago. It’s called “Nuclear War, Nuclear Winter”. I’m all for writers writing & bequeathing insight, but I really wish they’d reduce their redundancy.
She makes me want to cry myself asleep in laughter.
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Thank you Lex! One of the best conversations you've ever done. So important, so fascinating. Everyone needs to hear this.
Low information DNC voter?
The fact that she knows all of this technical information with all the names of the systems and names of people is quite impressive.
It is logical to conclude that she would know all of the information after researching the subject and writing a book on it.
its logical to conclude ur a virgin@@stephansmuts604
@@stephansmuts604 *books* and yes that doesn't take away from her impressiveness.
Because she is covert CIA
@@lukesimas evidence?
New subscriber. Highly respect Annie Jacobsen. The entire world needs to hear this. Thanks
Ms Jacobsen is one of the smartest people I've ever listened to. The way she can answer all of those questions giving names, departments and dates without any notes is freaking amazing. Her knowledge is absolutely immense!
She must of said the word RIGHT 150 times minimum. A bit overkill, no?
@@johnnyb4269 would you rather it were Like or Literally?
This a sarcastic comment, surely? She's a just journalist with absolutely no actual experience, practical or academic in this area. Lex asked a number of questions that she blatantly failed to answer and went off on barely related hyperbolic tangents. She simply didn't know the answer.
@@Ash_18037 and everytime she HAD an answer, it was some public knowledge.. which even made me wonder why Lex even asked them.. This woman is just capitalizing off the war in Ukraine and Putin's constant threats with nukes, which make it a "hot topic"....
@@nimmha6708 was this the woman who was talking about "GETTING A TAXI UP A DARK HIGHWAY IN GERMANY TO MEET AN EX NAZI" either was I could not stand this and there is so much misinformation on this nuclear subject she is telling and shes mentioning like inevitable fallout and nuclear winter and the fact shes saying "IN MY BOOK" every 5 seconds its just hard to listen to
I’ve loved Annie’s work for years. So glad you had her on! This was such a great episode, Lex!
Low information conspiracy voter. You must be brainwashed DNC voter with no stem education.
Thank You Ms. Jacobsen for including all the foot notes. I am a Bibliophile especially when it comes to non-fiction, US, World History and love to know how to check sources and in turn always find more books, articles and Docs to buy or print for my home reference library. My takes up 3 rooms in my house. My wife hates it but I can fact check anything on my own and share the source thanks to writers like you. Thanks Lex, A long with Elon and the debate last week and a few others this is one of your best shows ever. I download a lot of your shows as reference material as well thanks. This information will give us all nightmares but maybe those nightmares will finally wake everyone up screaming what the hell are we thinking. Sincerely, Chis the Muslim in Orlando
This conversation was top tier , and the closing words impactful as ever. Thank you Lex!
This is amazing! Thank you Annie and Lex for this awesome interview!
I could listen to Annie speak all day. She’s super informed, researched, knowledgeable and entertaining. I’m a huge fan of her work and can’t wait to read her new book tomorrow. Lex did a fantastic job of laying back when needed and keeping the flow of conversation moving. Amazing interview!
What kinds of things would someone like yourself be looking to buy in the near future? I’m in sales and looking for a new market
@@rarefruit2320 She has always had access to high level people in intel like other journalists only dream of; makes you wonder if she's one of them. Either way, I'd like to ask if she can tell us who the good guys are and who the bad guys are because there seems to be some bad guys inside the gate doing some not so nice things to the citizens of this country. I'd like to know who is fighting who inside the country, with the funky fires, numerous food production factories on fire, trains with toxic chemicals derailing, viruses, now an entire bridge falling down on a main Interstate corridor on the Eastern seaboard. All the young men of military age flowing over our borders in untold numbers. And, all this is before the bombs are a flying. How about a book answering these questions?
Great interview - I had to watch it twice
One of the most down to earth, unpretentious, and superb conversations. To me this is one of the best interviews by Lex. Thank you.
Too bad most of her info was BS.
You’re welcome.
@@MisteryMan2000 Phew that's a relief, the amount of research you have done must be astounding, please share with us some of the knowledge you have accumulated rather than this fear mongering.
@@MisteryMan2000whats bs?😂
@@killjoy117007 Everything that is declassified is pretty accurate, everything else is BS. She is so far off on some of the things she claimed that I actually laughed!
We need more postcasts out there like this!!!
No.. We really don't. This is just fearmongering.
@@themapleleafforever1526 Well honestly, if it's to do with nuclear war people should be afraid of it... I'm not sure what your point is, should they be saying how nuclear war really isn't that bad? and how the human race might survive it? Tell lies about how Russia's old nuclear arsenal will malfunction because of rust? Like how Ukraine is winning the war? Or are you like the mainstream media and trying to normalize the idea of nuclear war?
@@MultiChrisjb Likewise, I'm not sure what your point is with spreading fear. Yes nuclear war is scary. No, there isn't anything we can do about it. So why make people panic? And quite honestly, her ideas are childishly naïve kumbaya nonsense that is devoid of geopolitics, history and basic common sense. "Oh let's just get rid of nuclear weapons". Please be serious.
Also, yes we absolutely should help Ukraine and cowering to Putin because he threatens us is unacceptable. A world where countries can take land by threatening the use of nuclear weapons is scarier than nuclear war.
I recommend the Dan Carlin's HardCore History episode on this topic... chilling
Definitely. That episode opened my eyes to just how much of this evolved under President Eisenhower.
Thank you
My favorite is the episode on the eastern front
Most definitely. Absolutely amazing and horrifying
Thanks for the recommendation. I watched Carlin's Hardcore episode and then came back to this, I had to grab a drink.
I'm literally only putting this on because I want to listen to her voice as I fall asleep.
What an amazing interview ❤
Wow, Lex. This might be the culmination of your work. A complete long form story; the story of people, their inner and outter conflicts, and the rammifications of their decisions onto themselves, others and those who are of yet to be born. Truly a story that unwinds what it means to be human. To create such massive substrates for war, security, ideology - in the name of love or hate of an ideology - just for the people to have worked on it to come full circle and realize what really matters. To understand the great "Why?" - both within and outward. What it truly means to be human. Love and Communication. Thank you for sharing this to the world, especially, for making it free.
And to those who have taken the time to read this comment, thank you.
You’re welcome!
Sting said it best "I hope the Russians love their children too"
You think Great Satan 💘 his children?? 😂😂
💯🙌 I instantly thought of this song at the start of this interview. I was a teenager in the 80s and went through all of this before during the Cold War. It really messed with our minds at that age and it wasn’t presented to kids in a gentle way either at that time. It was traumatizing. I’m the same age as Annie.
Russia is not so different from America, they won’t launch unless attacked. It’s
Iran and North Korea who are dangerous.
The Nazis loved their children.
I don't think it will be Russia.
One of the most compelling interviews you must watch is with Annie; I absolutely adore her. It's essential for everyone to view this interview, contemplate deeply on the terrifying reality of nuclear winter, and strive to prevent it at all costs.
For anyone interested in knowing it appears the audio book version is actually read by Annie herself. I’m going to purchase both versions.
My dad flew one of the B52s during the cold war. He said there were two flights that scared the hell out of him. The last one he flew. They were actually arming the bomb with the keys. He had to pull out his gun in case one of the crew members did not do his duty. They were approaching Russia. His mission was to drop the bomb then fly into the ground quickly. He said it was a hairs breath of nuclear war. They turned him around at the last second. He didnt think they had enough fuel to make it back. He thought they would have to ditch the plane in the ocean but he decided at the last second to make it to some small air strip. He said when they landed the engines were starting to shut down and he was running on fumes. We have come so close several times most people dont even know it.
🧢
Big ol fat 🧢
Also a Russian captain of a submarine in the 80s I think got a go ahead to launch Nukes on America but he waited and checked, it was a false alarm.. He saved the world, I wonder how many more don't we know about...madness...
Sounds like your dad’s a liar bro.
What year? I'm guessing this was close to the Cuban Missle Crisis
Lex hearing dire warning and understanding human history and still responding “yeah but what about love”
it's so tiring, either a spook or a moron
How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
So tiring, either a spook or a moron
This is in my top 3 of all time. Her ability to reel off accurate information is astounding
Thanks again Lex!
More!
She seems to know everything, and has all the answers…
The “mania” surrounding the War Of The Worlds incident has been debunked. It was not widespread, it was a handful of people that missed the disclaimer at the beginning of the show, combined with people not being able to get through to friends and family in one small area due to phones being down.
She says she wants to be very clear, but glosses over the fact that most of the story was an urban legend that gained momentum years and years down the road.
There’s so much to pick apart here. Every single person she ever interviewed or spent time with were very very forthcoming with her?
She uses that phraseology quite a bit.
Many whistleblowers have indicated, the minute you see someone that claims to have all the answers - they are part of the disinformation program or a victim of it.
Disinformation sprinkled with a bit of truth. The nuclear information is obviously fact, easily accessible by anyone, as the foundation of her story, gaining credibility, then the rest is just a bunch of trust me bro stories.
Toward the end, she even states that the people she interviewed would not share classified information with her obviously, but seems solidified in her belief that extraterrestrials, ultra terrestrials are a no go.
I just can’t. But she does have a fantastic voice.
You’re subconsciously in denial because your mind doesn’t like what it’s hearing. When something is almost beyond comprehension the mind goes into a defensive mode, looking for holes, looking for doubt, looking for an alternative to what they’re being told.
You'd be surprised.
She is a reporter and author of course.