I have to say I'm in love with my '14 Super Tenére. Beautifully built. Solid feel under you. Great fuel mileage & range. She's eye candy wherever I go. Easy to accessorize.... In all she's a keeper for sure
I agree with everything you say except the fuel milage part, 38mpg could be better but I am sure if I didn't run mine at 90 mph I would get better fuel economy
Great review. I lapped up every word you said.........and I would agree. And yes, I believe that Yamaha is the best ! Man, ANYTHING is better than BMWs. I am 65 and since I was 17, rode Yamahas or Hondas. In 2004 I bought a R1150RT brand new. At the moment it is doing 68,000kms. Oh ! All kinds of things went bad. Fuel pump, starter, clutch gone at 50,000kms, ABS module failure, water in headlight from day 1, twice broken muffler bracket, crumbling wire looms, fallen-out taillight ending up crushed by the rear wheel, very clunky gearbox (tractor-trailer drivers hear when you change gears !) and more. I hardly ride it anymore. POS as far as I am concerned. In my experience with bikes and cars..............There is NOTHING comparable with the Japanese machine ! Trinidad & Tobago.
All very fair points. Given that the GS is known for catastrophic shaft failure (what could be worse?), breaking forks, electric gremlins and lots of owners pissed off at how much they need to depend on the bmw dealership network I wouldn't consider one if I could afford one. Also I'm told that if you want someone to fit extras like heated grips or aux lights, most mechanics won't touch a BMW and the only option is a pricey BMW shop. No doubt the bike handles and performs amazingly but they can't be relied on. I've not found (and I have looked) a single example of shaft drive failure on a Super Tenere. But for some reason the Yamaha has been sidelined by the press and gets slated by journalists but the owners love them. My 2010 runs like a dream and I have absolute faith it will always do what I ask of it.
Problem is lack of power on yamaha, I hear that ecu flash helps to squeeze little more hp. I curently have 2019 V-storm 1000xt, which is ok, handles nice in twisties. I have upgraded suspension($2000). Last couple of summers I rent bmw gs for 2 weeks for long trip, and Im in love how it handles, but yes quality and maintenance is shit. And that is only think stoping me from buying one. I'm hoping for 2023, 100 year anniversary they will get their shit together, I doubt it
It was a great bike but Yamaha got lazy and has really neglected the old super tenere. Imho the multistrada enduro does everything the gs and super tenere do but better, all while being built like a tank. Feels lighter off-road, much more compliant suspension, more power, no stupid shaft issues, no stupid engine issues and comes stock with all amenities.
I own an old BMW R1100GS (1998) for 11 years now, has nearly 70.000 km now (bought it with very low mileage). I'm sooo glad I didn't have more money on a newer model back in 2011. I totally understand what you are talking about - having a GS, also see many people complaining in forums about major failures of gearbox/clutch/final drive/even the engine! So far I did only two repairs - leaking front brake pump and broken tachometer cable. The 1100GS is an old and simple machine, all maintenance can I do at home with basic tools. But even this old 1100GS, which is mostly built like a tank had some problems, so you need to care which model year you buy. For instance, models from 1994-1996 had gearbox issues. The final drive together with the clutch - I just expect these two things will need replacement in around 100.000km (for final drive I mean to change the bearings). The Super Tenere is on my secret wishlist :) I think I'd choose it over the AfricaTwin. These are the two machines I'd consider if I'd buy a new machine right now.
3 years late. But when the gs sells as many units as it does, you'll hear about a lot more problems than the much less popular tenere. Both great bikes.
I have seen many videos now of Super Tenere and it's the first time today I saw in a video mention that super Tenere has a power restriction in the three first gears..Have you heard about this?
I had an r9t Urban GS and it used 1L of oil in the first 10000km. Dealer said it was a good one, anything under 4L per 10000km was considered within specs for BMW…
For me it is actualy weird to find so many bmw motorcycles on the secondhand market of only 1,2,3,4 years and so on. When I'm looking for a Tenere they are all much older. I know there are a lot less of them because of the numbers sold. But it seems people just sale the Yamaha's only after years of riding. Not because they are disapointed after such a short period. Plus BMW might have a few good points but the one big PLUS for the Tenere is the 5 to 6000 euro difference to start with. And that is before you start adding options !!
Hmmm, got curious so did a little anecdotal sample. I compared the first 20 used BMW GS in Marketplace near me (2010 and above so as to have apples and apples year range) and the first 20 used Super Tenere near me. Average age of the BMW's was 8 years and average age of the Yamaha's was 10 years. The newest overall was Yamaha at 1 year and the newest BMW was 5 years - so you can see in my incredibly small and statistically insignificant study - there is some validity anecdotally. Interestingly the BMW's averaged significantly more miles used per year. 4061 miles per year average while the Yamaha's has 2500 miles per year average. It was an interesting little snapshot. I have had two BMW's without a speck of reliability issues and several friends with no issues. I know that's just anecdotal - and it helps I maintain and farkle my own bikes - but still, I have a rosier view of the brand. But my kicker is IMO, the BMW suspension (especially the front telelever) is the greatest real world riding conditions suspension system of all time. It inspires great confidence in the twisty mountains I live and ride in - so it is worth the premium - for me.
@@philipadams3325 Wow, I always appreciate someone who takes the time for a motivated answer 👍 Maybe we have different results because we life in different parts of the world don't know, I'm from europe. Maybe it's just matter of personal interpretation. But I agree with you, despite what ever I think of BMW, their Telelever front suspension is really great. Ride safe.
Whats with the ending...cam run outa battery? Love my earlier S10 although i have had it re-mapped & new exhaust which makes quite a difference . I really like the BMW GSA but am weary of the unreliability as i like to ride remote areas around Australia.
I bought a 2017 and I put 3000 miles on it the last 2 weeks riding around America...not a single problem and a great ride. I had a 2011 GS (Brand new) and I am glad I went with Yamaha this time
I replaced my 2012 S10 CCT what was getting noisy on start ups with a new one and now it’s purring. Caught it just in time. Also did a valve check while I was in there, that’s a good time 😅
A GS burns oil because it’s a boxer. A boxer engine from a Subaru also burns oils. Has nothing to do with reliability but everything with the way the cilinders are fitted. Horizontal.
Glad I watched this, I still want a GS for the comfort and power plus I do all my own maintenance but I sure as hell am gonna beat the used price right down. Absolutely nothing and I do mean nothing beats Honda for reliability and build quality but there’s just something about riding a two wheel German tank……it feels like you could ride it right through hell and back. I’ve owned a lot of German and Japanese vehicles (cars and bikes)…..really wish they’d get together more and collaborate. Can you imagine BMW ride and handling with Honda reliability and longevity. I hear guys raving about the Vee Stroms, my Dad was killed on one and I hated the front suspension, absolute garbage. Power was ok but the handling and stability is nothing compared to a GS.
I'm riding an r1200gs but I'm looking into a v-strom 1000xt or a tenere due to the stress of the small breakdown. If you want to use it cheaply and comfortably, the 1050xt looks good, but listening to you, I think the Tenere is the most similar to the gs. Thanks for the nice words.
Dang.i was looking at a 2013 super with 4000 miles for 7000usd. Last thing I want is the engine to go after I get it. Wish I could afford a new model. Good video.
I wouldn’t worry about it. It is rare to have a catastrophic failure in the ST. Just look the bike over well and test ride it. You’ll be able to tell if there is an issue.
I own a 2005 BMW r1200GS. And some things are true about BMW. Maintenance can be expensive. I had put some money in it, also for tuning. My bike had 100 HP and 115 NM (standard from factory). I tuned it at Tovami in the NL. With some simple things on the dyno like a other exhaust and other air filter and OBD tuning I now got 107 HP and 126,8 NM at the wheel. It runs like hell and its very agressive on the trottle. I tuned it because BMW are running lean on fuel from the factory and I wanted a more snappier trottle response. I got that and with more power. Maintenance wise its indeed a expensive bike. If something happens it will cost you dearly. Now I am looking for another bike, because I have to depend on it (commuting 170 km a day). I have ridden a SuperTen and was very dissapointed in the trottle response, acceleration and some other things that has to do with performance. I understand its not a sportsbike, and I dont want that either, but common, a 1200 cc with factory claimed 110 HP and 114 NM has to run much better then it actually does. I understand that the SuperTen is very reliable, I believe that in a second, its a Yamaha. But it wont be my choice, because there are more alternatives on the market that runs better then the SuperTen, and they are not all European.
That is so true the Super tenere 1200 does not have to change every so often as with a dozer from first desighn till last they are all bullet proof reliable, no need for all the fansy to cause more complications, the Tenere is comfortable, digital before bmw, it has all the important features, traction, abs, what more do you need¿ the rest is more trouble 😂
Boxer engines can burn oil because of the nature of their position. Horizontal pistons can come to a stop (turned off) in a particular way where oil can enter the cylinder head. Sometimes my Subaru will puff smoke at start up, very rarely. Same with my dads old Bmw R1200RT. I'll have to read more up on it and come back if I need to refute my statement.
I don’t think they’re unreliable. I’ve got a 2014 model bmw r1200gs with 50k km on the clock. Runs good and service it myself to save on cost of ownership.
since I see that you follow the forums and writing on them, bmw breaks down there are flaws and so on, and no one says how things are with honda, here I will give you an example because I just experienced that, cb 400 nor 900f on both problems chain sliders, nsr 250, cbr 900, varadero and vfr on all of them the windings of the regulator and the battery burned out, unfortunately the engines were in the range of 17 years, so now tell me that it is like a serious company and does not solve such important things, understand that everything has a lot electronics and a lot of possibilities, the chances of bmw breakdowns are higher in such unnecessary things.
@@janleenslag7968 I meant they’re asymmetrical design wise, obviously some mechanical components will be lopsided. The super Ten has a weird small air scoop on the side and then a really big one on the other and the GS speaks for itself😂
@@mrzoov3661 at the end of the day, it's a chain transmission, and some people don't like it If you're gonna compare the Ténéré to a honda, you're going to take the Crosstourer 1200 and not the africa twin
There are more problems because there are more motorcycles...the GS is the best selling bike by far....take it to a twisty road and you will start to understand why...
Yes they are discontinued all thanks to the Euro 6 emissions standards. A number of bikes are to be discontinued because of these new regulations. When we hit the Euro 7 there will be hardly any gas powered vehicles made as they want to kill off the combustion engine for electric motors 🤷♂️🙄🤦♂️
I have to say I'm in love with my '14 Super Tenére. Beautifully built. Solid feel under you. Great fuel mileage & range. She's eye candy wherever I go. Easy to accessorize.... In all she's a keeper for sure
I agree with everything you say except the fuel milage part, 38mpg could be better but I am sure if I didn't run mine at 90 mph I would get better fuel economy
Great review. I lapped up every word you said.........and I would agree. And yes, I believe that Yamaha is the best !
Man, ANYTHING is better than BMWs. I am 65 and since I was 17, rode Yamahas or Hondas. In 2004 I bought a R1150RT brand new. At the moment it is doing 68,000kms. Oh ! All kinds of things went bad. Fuel pump, starter, clutch gone at 50,000kms, ABS module failure, water in headlight from day 1, twice broken muffler bracket, crumbling wire looms, fallen-out taillight ending up crushed by the rear wheel, very clunky gearbox (tractor-trailer drivers hear when you change gears !) and more. I hardly ride it anymore. POS as far as I am concerned.
In my experience with bikes and cars..............There is NOTHING comparable with the Japanese machine ! Trinidad & Tobago.
don't be envy ramish.
@@Okke-j2n What the hell do you mean Owen? That is not even proper english you're writing ?
All very fair points. Given that the GS is known for catastrophic shaft failure (what could be worse?), breaking forks, electric gremlins and lots of owners pissed off at how much they need to depend on the bmw dealership network I wouldn't consider one if I could afford one. Also I'm told that if you want someone to fit extras like heated grips or aux lights, most mechanics won't touch a BMW and the only option is a pricey BMW shop. No doubt the bike handles and performs amazingly but they can't be relied on. I've not found (and I have looked) a single example of shaft drive failure on a Super Tenere. But for some reason the Yamaha has been sidelined by the press and gets slated by journalists but the owners love them. My 2010 runs like a dream and I have absolute faith it will always do what I ask of it.
2010?
Problem is lack of power on yamaha, I hear that ecu flash helps to squeeze little more hp. I curently have 2019 V-storm 1000xt, which is ok, handles nice in twisties. I have upgraded suspension($2000). Last couple of summers I rent bmw gs for 2 weeks for long trip, and Im in love how it handles, but yes quality and maintenance is shit. And that is only think stoping me from buying one. I'm hoping for 2023, 100 year anniversary they will get their shit together, I doubt it
It was a great bike but Yamaha got lazy and has really neglected the old super tenere. Imho the multistrada enduro does everything the gs and super tenere do but better, all while being built like a tank. Feels lighter off-road, much more compliant suspension, more power, no stupid shaft issues, no stupid engine issues and comes stock with all amenities.
@@richardhretczak536 yeah, I'm in the UK and my bike is a 2010. You made me double check there
That is why BMW want to sell you a very expensive extended warranty
I own an old BMW R1100GS (1998) for 11 years now, has nearly 70.000 km now (bought it with very low mileage). I'm sooo glad I didn't have more money on a newer model back in 2011. I totally understand what you are talking about - having a GS, also see many people complaining in forums about major failures of gearbox/clutch/final drive/even the engine!
So far I did only two repairs - leaking front brake pump and broken tachometer cable. The 1100GS is an old and simple machine, all maintenance can I do at home with basic tools. But even this old 1100GS, which is mostly built like a tank had some problems, so you need to care which model year you buy. For instance, models from 1994-1996 had gearbox issues. The final drive together with the clutch - I just expect these two things will need replacement in around 100.000km (for final drive I mean to change the bearings).
The Super Tenere is on my secret wishlist :) I think I'd choose it over the AfricaTwin. These are the two machines I'd consider if I'd buy a new machine right now.
3 years late. But when the gs sells as many units as it does, you'll hear about a lot more problems than the much less popular tenere.
Both great bikes.
they are two totally different bikes. like apples vs oranges, gs is the best money can buy. ST is the best for your money. i have both
🇯🇵 For life. Thank God I never got a European bike!
That motor rev / exhaust sounds sweet!!
The Super Tenere is restricted, R2800 and after a flash it is Super as the name says
Sir, you are totally logical, intuitive and well-spoken!
I have seen many videos now of Super Tenere and it's the first time today I saw in a video mention that super Tenere has a power restriction in the three first gears..Have you heard about this?
never heard of that. Where did you read that? I have seen super tenere users getting a tune that modifys the bike, but never bothered with that.
I had an r9t Urban GS and it used 1L of oil in the first 10000km. Dealer said it was a good one, anything under 4L per 10000km was considered within specs for BMW…
For me it is actualy weird to find so many bmw motorcycles on the secondhand market of only 1,2,3,4 years and so on. When I'm looking for a Tenere they are all much older. I know there are a lot less of them because of the numbers sold. But it seems people just sale the Yamaha's only after years of riding. Not because they are disapointed after such a short period. Plus BMW might have a few good points but the one big PLUS for the Tenere is the 5 to 6000 euro difference to start with. And that is before you start adding options !!
Because it's much more reliable than, European brands. I
Hmmm, got curious so did a little anecdotal sample. I compared the first 20 used BMW GS in Marketplace near me (2010 and above so as to have apples and apples year range) and the first 20 used Super Tenere near me. Average age of the BMW's was 8 years and average age of the Yamaha's was 10 years. The newest overall was Yamaha at 1 year and the newest BMW was 5 years - so you can see in my incredibly small and statistically insignificant study - there is some validity anecdotally. Interestingly the BMW's averaged significantly more miles used per year. 4061 miles per year average while the Yamaha's has 2500 miles per year average.
It was an interesting little snapshot.
I have had two BMW's without a speck of reliability issues and several friends with no issues. I know that's just anecdotal - and it helps I maintain and farkle my own bikes - but still, I have a rosier view of the brand.
But my kicker is IMO, the BMW suspension (especially the front telelever) is the greatest real world riding conditions suspension system of all time. It inspires great confidence in the twisty mountains I live and ride in - so it is worth the premium - for me.
@@philipadams3325 Wow, I always appreciate someone who takes the time for a motivated answer 👍 Maybe we have different results because we life in different parts of the world don't know, I'm from europe. Maybe it's just matter of personal interpretation. But I agree with you, despite what ever I think of BMW, their Telelever front suspension is really great. Ride safe.
Whats with the ending...cam run outa battery?
Love my earlier S10 although i have had it re-mapped & new exhaust which makes quite a difference .
I really like the BMW GSA but am weary of the unreliability as i like to ride remote areas around Australia.
I bought a 2017 and I put 3000 miles on it the last 2 weeks riding around America...not a single problem and a great ride. I had a 2011 GS (Brand new) and I am glad I went with Yamaha this time
I replaced my 2012 S10 CCT what was getting noisy on start ups with a new one and now it’s purring. Caught it just in time. Also did a valve check while I was in there, that’s a good time 😅
A GS burns oil because it’s a boxer. A boxer engine from a Subaru also burns oils. Has nothing to do with reliability but everything with the way the cilinders are fitted. Horizontal.
Thats exactly what people want an engine that burns oil.
Glad I watched this, I still want a GS for the comfort and power plus I do all my own maintenance but I sure as hell am gonna beat the used price right down.
Absolutely nothing and I do mean nothing beats Honda for reliability and build quality but there’s just something about riding a two wheel German tank……it feels like you could ride it right through hell and back.
I’ve owned a lot of German and Japanese vehicles (cars and bikes)…..really wish they’d get together more and collaborate. Can you imagine BMW ride and handling with Honda reliability and longevity.
I hear guys raving about the Vee Stroms, my Dad was killed on one and I hated the front suspension, absolute garbage. Power was ok but the handling and stability is nothing compared to a GS.
I'm riding an r1200gs but I'm looking into a v-strom 1000xt or a tenere due to the stress of the small breakdown. If you want to use it cheaply and comfortably, the 1050xt looks good, but listening to you, I think the Tenere is the most similar to the gs. Thanks for the nice words.
Dang.i was looking at a 2013 super with 4000 miles for 7000usd. Last thing I want is the engine to go after I get it. Wish I could afford a new model. Good video.
I wouldn’t worry about it. It is rare to have a catastrophic failure in the ST. Just look the bike over well and test ride it. You’ll be able to tell if there is an issue.
I own a 2005 BMW r1200GS. And some things are true about BMW. Maintenance can be expensive. I had put some money in it, also for tuning. My bike had 100 HP and 115 NM (standard from factory). I tuned it at Tovami in the NL. With some simple things on the dyno like a other exhaust and other air filter and OBD tuning I now got 107 HP and 126,8 NM at the wheel. It runs like hell and its very agressive on the trottle. I tuned it because BMW are running lean on fuel from the factory and I wanted a more snappier trottle response. I got that and with more power. Maintenance wise its indeed a expensive bike. If something happens it will cost you dearly. Now I am looking for another bike, because I have to depend on it (commuting 170 km a day). I have ridden a SuperTen and was very dissapointed in the trottle response, acceleration and some other things that has to do with performance. I understand its not a sportsbike, and I dont want that either, but common, a 1200 cc with factory claimed 110 HP and 114 NM has to run much better then it actually does. I understand that the SuperTen is very reliable, I believe that in a second, its a Yamaha. But it wont be my choice, because there are more alternatives on the market that runs better then the SuperTen, and they are not all European.
reflash computer and change exhaust and you will be scared off it :) there is no bike like it, if you want to go far away.
Not sure if its legal where you live, but an ecu remap of the tenure adds 20hp, it totally changes it.
My local dealer is offering 2000 off the 2020 model - I think I might get one this weekend
That is so true the Super tenere 1200 does not have to change every so often as with a dozer from first desighn till last they are all bullet proof reliable, no need for all the fansy to cause more complications, the Tenere is comfortable, digital before bmw, it has all the important features, traction, abs, what more do you need¿ the rest is more trouble 😂
Boxer engines can burn oil because of the nature of their position. Horizontal pistons can come to a stop (turned off) in a particular way where oil can enter the cylinder head. Sometimes my Subaru will puff smoke at start up, very rarely. Same with my dads old Bmw R1200RT. I'll have to read more up on it and come back if I need to refute my statement.
Perfect ending! 😂🤣👍
Super 👌
Your comments are well founded 👏
I'm looking at a 2012....I am glad I found this video
Wow that is a brutal ending
I don’t think they’re unreliable. I’ve got a 2014 model bmw r1200gs with 50k km on the clock. Runs good and service it myself to save on cost of ownership.
I love my 2017 super Tenere ES. I also loved my 2012 Super Tenere. BMW is over priced and over rated.
Absolutely. Just the other day i looked for an equivalent 2012 bmw r1200gs and the prices were close to double.
the gs is overpriced and certainly less reliable but if it works, it is the best bike in the world imho.
02:38 did you just say, that god damn Saab?😁
Yes he did... 🤭
since I see that you follow the forums and writing on them, bmw breaks down there are flaws and so on, and no one says how things are with honda, here I will give you an example because I just experienced that, cb 400 nor 900f on both problems chain sliders, nsr 250, cbr 900, varadero and vfr on all of them the windings of the regulator and the battery burned out, unfortunately the engines were in the range of 17 years, so now tell me that it is like a serious company and does not solve such important things, understand that everything has a lot electronics and a lot of possibilities, the chances of bmw breakdowns are higher in such unnecessary things.
I'll forgive the abrupt ending 'cause the video of you hauling ass is wicked!! lol
nice ride, but very unexpected ending
Honda and Yamaha are built like cars, very reliable. They are tools, not toys.
I’d take the Africa twin because it’s the only one that’s not asymmetrical for no reason
Chain driven, so out of the equasion in an instant.
@@janleenslag7968 I meant they’re asymmetrical design wise, obviously some mechanical components will be lopsided. The super Ten has a weird small air scoop on the side and then a really big one on the other and the GS speaks for itself😂
@@mrzoov3661 at the end of the day, it's a chain transmission, and some people don't like it
If you're gonna compare the Ténéré to a honda, you're going to take the Crosstourer 1200 and not the africa twin
Anyone else notice the excessive speed of 72 in a 30?
no
I noticed a rat
You shut your mouth when you’re talking to us!
Thanks. At least the girl enjoyed it.
There are more problems because there are more motorcycles...the GS is the best selling bike by far....take it to a twisty road and you will start to understand why...
Bmw is not unreliable . Just check local listing . Every single bike is over 50k some with 150k miles
If you are willing to spend thousands on up keep even a harley will last you. Just keep putting in those engines and transmissions.
Good day to you the cost of a GS if fare more tham a Super T and you get a lot more for your dollar ride safe
Preaaach
I LOVE my S10
Te...ne...ray. Three syllables in the name, Bro.
That's how them yankees say it
8 minus 5 yeah….. that’s difficult
1st africa twin has lot of reliability issues
What issues does it have?
@@motardsquid water pump failure after 10k miles and problem with forks .
It's a shame they are discontinuing the Super Tenere, I love those bikes.
They didn't discontinue it ?
Or maybe i'm not informed, why would they discontinue the reliable version of the GS ?
Yes they are discontinued all thanks to the Euro 6 emissions standards. A number of bikes are to be discontinued because of these new regulations. When we hit the Euro 7 there will be hardly any gas powered vehicles made as they want to kill off the combustion engine for electric motors 🤷♂️🙄🤦♂️
They didn't sell, you can still get new old stock super 10s in the uk, noone wants them now the T7 and other new adv bikes are out.