Which Diesel GT Should You Buy | BMW 640d vs BMW 635d Comparison | Rivals Showdown
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- Опубліковано 7 січ 2021
- The BMW 635d and 640d are both truly superb examples of what a diesel performance car can be, with outstanding daily running practicality in spades, but also tremendous torque and fantastic performance from engines which never feel like they need to work particularly hard to produce these results.
But with each of these generations of diesel 6-Series offering a couple of distinct advantages over the other, such as pricing and the option of 4 doors, which one should you actually go for? Let's head out on the road for this episode of Beards 'n Cars Rivals and find out!
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Just picked up a 635d, Drove 355miles from Scotland. Averaged 47mpg at an average 68mph
Ah nice one
Just stumbled across this guy and review as I'm considering a 640d. What a great, no nonsense, critique of these Beemers delivered in a very professional way. Clearly this chap has researched his subject and narrates in a really good manner. Top effort and I'm now a subscriber.
Cheers, glad you enjoyed it✌️
I bought a pristine, one-owner, FBMWSH, low mileage e63 (coupe) 650 with the 4.8l V8 engine several years ago. Having driven Audis for years, I wanted to try a BMW for a while and had it in mind to try it out for a couple of years and then maybe move onto an F-series M6.
I never buy new (because I refuse to lose so much in depreciation) but I don't have a budget restriction for buying cars, so at the time I also looked at XKRs, a DB9 and a 911; admittedly, they were all at least 4 years newer than the 650, but having spent a day testing each of them, I honestly couldn't work out why they were £20k - £50k more than the BMW. The Porsche was better on the track but nowhere near as comfortable for everyday use.
The DB9 was gorgeous, but in almost every other respect, was only 5% better than the 650; certainly not 300% better, as the price difference would suggest.
In the end, I kept the 650 for 6 years. Still have it as one of my cars.
Will probably skip the F-gen 6 series and move straight over to an M8.
But, if the right F-gen M6 happened to come along...
I did 20k miles in a 2007 635d. Upgraded to a 2012 640d. 10k miles done, sold it and got a 2009 facelift 635d with a remap to circa 340bhp, the 2009 is the better car for me. The interior feels more solid, the seats are better. The steering wheel feels high quality, it has the 640d upgraded Nav and I drive, the power and feel is fantastic and it seems smaller And chunkier and stronger. The 640d looked way more expensive but didn’t feel that nice to drive for me, it was slightly better on fuel and would do 50mpg in ecopro at 50mph...but why buy one and drive it like that. Also the 640d had the egr problems and was at bmw for 8 weeks! But a facelift 09 on 635d, remap and look after it. Amazing cars and and easy 32mpg even with a heavy right foot. The 635 also sounds nice, the 640 sounded fake, not sure if they pumped sound through the speakers...mine is a high miler at 170k but is serviced every 5000 miles as it’s cheap to do. This is my daily for a 80 mile commute and the only thing I would change it for is a CL500 4.7 twin turbo blue efficiency. You should do a test on that car. It’s amazing.
Nice one, and yeah I've driven the earlier 2000's CL600, but not the newer one yet. One of the best looking cars on the road imo
@@HSGAutomotive definitely a barge bargain. Must have been a £100k machine. The interior is near Bentley quality, the seats and fit and finish are truly fantastic. It makes the 640d look like a 1 series. And the performance...
Thank you very much for this comment mate. I just wondering which one to buy.
@@kashonder the 635d is built better definitely. I’ve done 12,000 miles in my 2009 635d already. The real world performance is truly outstanding
@@ssb8344 how much do you average on the motorway? At 70mph?
I have owned both, the 640 is equipped better with more lux feel, but the E63 feels and looks more special. The 0-60 is 6.1(you stated the time for 100kmh) Also mapping 635 maps to 360hp /680nm and the 640 maps to 400hp. For the price difference I'd take a good spec 635d coupe and tune it / upgrade suspension to have a faster more fun car for half the price. The 640 is great, but not double price great.
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Cmon bro.. the 640d pisses all over the 635d… even just looks wise, fuel wise, power , luxury, technically .. different monster not even in the same league
I have had my 2010 635d for 5 years now. Oil is changed every 12 months (8,000 miles a year) and now has 104,000 miles on the clock.
Mine has the M57D30TÜ2TOP aluminium engine, the M57 prior to this was made from cast iron. This may be why there are some differences described in the weight of the e63 635d from when it was first introduced.
Mapped to 360bhp with 700 nm of torque about 3 years ago.
32 mpg round town and 53 mpg on a run staying around 60 to 65 mph.
Logic 7 sound system with black interior.
I prefer the shape to the 640d, just my opinion, nothing else.
The inside is very good understated quality, it doesn't show off. I love it.
Handling can be described as not sporty at lower speeds, but it is GT and not a sports car. Get it over 1** and it just hunkers down and sits there, very solidly with little body roll.
Boot is big enough to put an 8 birth airframe tent in and go camping with the dog on the back seat. Only just though! I am 6ft, 17 stone and can sit in the back seat. Again, only just.
Amazing performance, reliability and economy for this kind of car.
If anyone wants to buy one, don't look at the miles, look at the car. Regular oil changes that are at half, or less, than the recommended mileage are a good sign. I will be changing the oil and filter in the gearbox soon. If you see this on a car then that is another sign that a car has been looked after. A clean tidy interior is also a must.
Do your research and wait to find the one you want.
You wont be disappointed.
Hopefully, fingers crossed, I will still have mine in another 5 years!
Good stuff 🤙
Hi mate I've just bought the same year as yours with 67000 miles any advice on what to check on it do you recommend changing anything what's your opinion on a remapping
@@openureyes There are 2 thermostats in the engine that commonly fail around 60 or so thousand miles. When they fail the engine runs cooler and as such cannot get hot enough for the DPF to burn particles off, which results in a blocked DPF.. About 80, 000 miles your glow plug module may fail, when it does, have the glow plugs replaced with good ones, say Beru for example at the same time as the labour for getting to them is where the money goes. Change you oil around every 7, 000 miles. You dont have to go to an expensive garage for this as it is just an oil change. Just make sure it is the right oil going in. A lot of garages use Coma oil as they are one f the only ones who state they will pay for the engine to be replaced if it fails due to a problem with the oil.
Clear the water drain holes regularly. They are under the bonnet near to the windscreen. There is a youtube video on how to do it, takes about 20 minutes . The drain holes block up with dirt and mainly bits of leaves and the water then comes in to the cabin. You first see it in the off side rear passenger footwell. The water does not come from the rear as you might think, but runs down from the front of the car. You will first notice a damp smell and start looking for some spilt drink or food that may have been left under the seats somewhere.
Mapping is a difficult one,. My advice would be to limit the torque to just under 700 nm and the BHP to around 360. You can go way over this if you wish, but you would have to look after it more than you would normally have to. As to where, there are many out there. For me, I decided not to go for a plug in box and had it done through the OBD port. It can be difficult to judge who to choose, especially as many of them come and go. You would have to do your own research to see what is in you area I suppose.
Tyres, I got rid of the run flats on the car when they wore out. I have had michellins and conti sport contact 6's. The contis out do the michellins. Perelli P zeros would be even better as they dont have to warm up to stick to the road. The trade off though is the p zeros wear out quicker.
Cant think of anything else at the moment though.
Just needs to have stuff done when it needs it, except for oil that should be done earlier, that way the engine should not fail at all. I mean for 100's of thousands of miles.
So good video, I always enjoy when watching 635d and 640d, especially one beside the other to get wider point of view. Many thanks 😎
Brilliant review. Considering the 6. Love the 640
Thank you, that was a great video ! I’m in the market for a 640 and am coming from an E9x platform so I found your comparison really helpful. You also touched on a few taboo topics such as remaps which many viewers like myself find interesting but are rarely covered by other channels.
Just got my 640 Coupe yesterday having previously owned a C-class, absolutely love it! Great review as always!
Nice one, enjoy!
Had my f13 for about six months now. Was looking for an OEM model with low mileage that was white with the tan interior. Finally found what I was looking for and I’m absolutely in love with this car. The look, length, 20” alloys, interior, and of course the engine on this thing ticks all the boxes for me. Cracking motor! Keep up the good reviews mate. 10/10👍🏻
Nice one, great motor 👌
Great video, enjoyed the comparisons. I love my 640d, got a race chip for it and the eco mode on that really does increase mpg. Long journeys, it really will do 50+ mpg
Nice one!
I looked at buying a 635D and the 640D M Sport. Went for the M Sport mainly due to looks. I prefer the back end.....im an ass man see....lol
You have the best and most interesting comparisons.
Cheers, glad you enjoy them
Great video. Might be considering the 635d in the next year or so
Nice, both offer a lot to work with, especially for daily drivers
I like the e63. Currently own a 2007 m6 and a 2009 650i m sport. Love the size and looks of this model. Third and fourth generations looks too large and bulky from outside. I'm sure engines are stronger and updated interior options are better but they lost their exterior body style. Also own 2011 XKR and engine torque at low rpm is more fun to drive however the BMWs have way more comfortable seats and better ride quality.
Nice one
Great review mate 👍🏽
Cheers, glad you enjoyed it
For those that are wondering about power, if youre ok with a DPF delete, 635d should be able to get up to ~400hp and ~750nm comfortably on stock turbos and fueling, provided everything is in good shape. Tho, cp3 r90 hpfp is recommended since it will extend the power band in to higher rpm's, and make it pull pretty much to red line.
In theory, its possible to get close to 450bhp on stock turbos, but, youd be pushing the turbos to there absolute limit. And the bi-turbo's are known for having sticky waste gates, so you probably wont be able to push em this hard since they will just overboost and shit there impellers out through the exhaust xD
I have a 13plate 640d m sport with the proper 400 bhp remap.. thing is just crazy for a diesel powered car..
Both great cars, I have an e92 335d with the m57 engine remapped to 370bhp. Both should definitely be tuned IMO so much extra performance and improved economy, I think the 640d goes to 400bhp with no additional hardware.
I bought a 640d GC 2 weeks ago )last car was a F01 730d). What a machine!
Me too! Went from the 2010 F01 730D to 2016 F06 640D. Best car I've ever had. Must say, on long journeys (London to Preston) I found the 7er more comfortable, a lounge on wheels! Seats in the GC seem a bit harder so one gets lame bum fairly quickly. As for handling, the 7 was a bit of a slouch unless you were in sports mode all the time, specially on those windy country roads whereas the 6er sticks like its on rails. If you have them, dump the RF (run flat) tyres for high end non RF, makes a huge difference. Lighter, quieter and the handling phenomenal - far less skittish when cornering.
@@boerboel7777 I had a 2013 640d…..made the mistake of thinking the 335d would be better oh how wrong I was 😂
i’ve always dreamt of e63 635d. it’s got the looks different than all the other bmws, but i’ve skipped the model and got f13 640d with stage 1 and only rwd. 275/30/20 got worn out after 3 months (no drifting, only acceleration). it was hard to get grip on first 4 gears even if it was hot and dry. now i have 640d gc f06 without any remap and both the fuel usage is higher and the acceleration experience is different, more mature and safer i would say. in the red one with tc off the tail would dance, in xdrive there is no fun it simply grips as hell and launches like from a slingshot
Nice one, and yeah the F06 offers a lot to love, especially with xDrive
I own both and both are mapped. The E63 is more fun and chuckable than the F13. The gearbox in the F13 is 10 x better than the E63. Interior is better in the F13 but I think that the E63 looks better outside. The E63 was a completely different car when mapped but the F13 was quick as standard so the difference wasn't as apparent. E63 better built. E63 probably the best car I've ever owned and I've owned about 40!
In your opinion which one has the best overall performance?
@@rodolforomao7203 The F13 is quicker, the E63 is more fun. Best performance is deffo the F13 but I'd choose the E63 as my fav car!
Have 640d 2014 i get 39mpg had 3 years a great car.
Nice
I prefer the e63.
MPG for 640d (2016) without trying to drive slow is 34mpg in towns and max 38mpg..., got remapped to 380hp and still smooth and MPG about the same.
I only wish i had the money for even a beat e63...
Can you come up with 6k ?
Hi. Really great video review. Can you tell me if you have the 0-60 or 0-62 stage 1 and stage 2 remapping figures for the 640D? I'm considering going down this route and was wondering what they were and whether it would be worth it? Any info or advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
I haven’t owned one myself or had it done, so I can’t say for sure, but it would be worth asking around in the owners groups on FB and such. Given the 5.2 seconds stock, it pretty much goes without saying it would be below 5 seconds. I’d personally guesstimate 4.6 or so.
@@HSGAutomotive Thanks!! I'll be booking my 640D in for a stage 1. Can't wait.
I bot my 640 d coupe from bmw Italy with 180k km ,29000 euro with 2 years of warranty (premium selection) just minor problems with car. happy with my choice!
Nice one 👌
I drove a new shape jag xj. Big car with small car feel to it when my foot hit the floor. I bought the 640d gc, on the basis that it felt like a big heavy car when I put my foot to the floor, but moreover the bmw really made me feel like I was a part of the car as opposed being just in a car. And the acceleration is as you describe, absolutely relentless. 1st bmw I’ve owned and I just giggle every time I get in her, yes my car is a her, brienne is her name. Quite fitting I think because whether you own her or your sat in something next to her thinking your just about to kick her arse when the lights change to green, we’ll get ready cos just like her namesake, the word RELENTLESS will enter the equation again and again.
Yeah fantastic motor
When you say the e63 is more elegant, therfore suits older drivers, i think the non M-front for the f13 is really slick and elegant!
Imho the E63 is more sporty and aggressive, whereas the F13 is more elegant and tame.
Definitely 640d in black, but 635d is very attractive about the price/quality. Thanks for the video mate. Which one have got better feeling when drive them?
For me the 640d for sure. The 635d feels like a solidly built tank, but the 640d is slick, and fast as hell. I'd probably even go Gran Coupe myself for the added practicality if I ever bought one.
Ok, so I currently own a 635d Sport, and have done for around a month, I love the thing, so will be interesting to see if my viewpoint changes
Nice one, you might enjoy the specific review I did for it too, which is linked in the description below the vid
@@HSGAutomotive already watched that one a few times, you might have noticed a spike on that video, early December time!
Map is already on the cards, nice to see some ‘real’ affordable reviews that make you think about left field choices though, some (my fiancé included) may wonder whether that’s a good thing or not!
@@Leathersladekitchen Nice one haha
@@Leathersladekitchen definitely worth mapping. Mine is done and it’s a completely different car.
Do still have it? And if so is reliable ?
Mine is E63 635
Looking at 640D coupe currently.
Nice, excellent motor
Pretty sure this was never available with xDrive in the UK, there are none for sale on eBay or Autotrader. Love the look of the F13, but both of them seem like bargains to me, they're genuinely priced like 3-Series on the used market.
Unfortunately no
Great video, but no XD in the UK
Unfortunately not
Have you driven review the A7 v A6 bi turbo?
Not yet I haven't, no
GREAT review. The only thing you forgot to mention is looks ! The 635 is as ugly as sin compared with the 640 !
E63 is best look and agressive the best drive
It's not ugly. It's not beautiful either. But surely has got a lot of character and is still fresh design-wise after more than a decade.
Can anyone tell me if the 640d is available in all wheel drive ?
It is yeah, though not in the UK officially
Your driving around Cardiff!
Yep, lol
I like the 635d looking to get one what years to stay away from please
All the years are OK because it's the facelifted version.
Diff is 1 doesn't need timing chain and 1 does
where can i find a 30 000 bmw 640d year 2017-2018 with low millege in europe :D? its mission imposibble, you have very cheap cars in the uk :D
640d
I'm quite sure 640d never come with all wheel drive in uk
*i m p o r t* ;)
Dud he mention he has a Jagg?
A Surpurcherged Jerg
From my perspective, the E63 is ugly. I just don't like the nose but, I recently saw a completely blacked out version, which I got to say, was not half bad. The F13 is better looking, but kinda boring. I have to say the one that changed the game is the new 8 series G15.
Agreed, the tail is that awful Chris Bangle design. The just plain weird boot looks tacked on and doesn't "flow" with the rest of the car whereas the F06 is gorgeous.
@@boerboel7777 The so called Bangle butt is one of the design cues that make this E63 alluringly timeless. Some say it's gorgeous, others that it's ugly as sin. For me it's just amazingly and timelessly special.
You picked a Touareg over an e63?? Crazy
Damn right I did, and don’t regret it in the slightest.
Too bad you drive on the wrong side :/ so low prices in the UK
Sucks for you, lol.