Don’t embarrass yourself when they knock your door. Timestamps: 0:00 DO NOT USE John 1v1 1:02 DO NOT USE John 10v33 1:44 DO NOT USE John 1v18 5:20 DO NOT USE Acts 20v28 (Use Their Interlinear Instead) 8:35 DO NOT USE Titus 2v13 9:54 DO NOT USE Philippians 2v9 (Use Their Interlinear Instead) 10:55 DO NOT USE Colossians 1v15-17 (Use Their Interlinear Instead) 14:58 USE Isaiah 44v6, Isaiah 48v12, Isaiah 41v4 & Revelation 1v17-18
The Narrow Gate 13 “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell[f] is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it. The Tree and Its Fruit 15 “Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves. 16 You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. 19 So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. 20 Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions. True Disciples 21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’23 “Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones. 25 See, I have warned you about this ahead of time. 26 “So if someone tells you, ‘Look, the Messiah is out in the desert,’ don’t bother to go and look
That's a long list of scriptures. Why don't we make it slightly easier... If you want to prove the trinity to a Jehovah's Witness, don't use any bible. Use abstract greek taken out of context and opinion.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@ChristOverAllJeremy ; Well if any do listen, they really shouldn't. As Sam for instance here is presenting nothing more than just repeating the standard fare of centuries old bad and defective arguments of Trinitarian apologetics. Nothing new, original, or anymore effective than any of the other arguments Trinitarians typically try to make..
TRINITY ROOTS a short historical sampling. Babylon: TRINITY Nimrod, Tammuz and Samiramis BABYLON is the start of variuos Trinity worshiping. See> Genesis (10:8-12, 11:1-9) In Ancient Egypt: TRINITY The Egyptian trinity is a group of three deities that includes Asar, Aset, and Heru:. In India 🇮🇳: TRINITY It is often said that there is a trinity of Hindu gods: Brahma, the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer. But while Vishnu and Shiva have followers and temples all over India, Brahma is not worshiped as a major deity. In Ancient Rome: TRINITY The Capitoline Triad was a group of three deities who were worshipped in ancient Roman religion in an elaborate temple on Rome's Capitoline Hill (Latin Capitolium). It comprised Jupiter, Juno and Minerva. The triad held a central place in the public religion of Rome Greece: TRINITY The Olympian demiurgic triad in platonic philosophy was made up of Zeus (considered the Zeus [king of the gods] of the Heavens), Poseidon (Zeus of the seas) and Pluto/Hades (Zeus of the underworld The legend and trinity gods have always been false gods. At various times in the bible, the Baal gods were trinity gods. See Jeremiah 23: 26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies, even the prophets of the deceit of their own heart? 27 that think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbor, as their fathers forgat my name for Baal. Baal is also mentioned as Bel in older Hebrew text-Triune god concepts from demons. The demons in the spirit realm have a way of shaping this into certain societies and cultures. It's often re branded as you can see, because one culture will not accept another culture's version of the trinity. The modern day trinits iteration that exist in Christendom today is heavily influenced by greek mythology. And the modern day Trinity has its roots in Greek mythology. The Hellenistic period was coming to an end about 150 years or so after Christ death, later Satan ushered in slowly the version of trinity into the early church fathers of Christendom 325AD. formally ratified at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The Holy Spirit was included at the First Council of Constantinople (381 AD), where the relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one substance (ousia) and three co-equal persons (hypostaseis) was formally ratified. And later, one of 5 more of the State/Government approved doctrines of these church father meetings took place in Ephesus. I think were at about 7 hese ecumenical councils meetings but it taken place about four hundred years or so for the trinity doctrine to become state approved by the various roman emperors. In short, before I go into much more, the current version of the trinity that exist in Christendom is just a reformatted, re-branded or more sophisticated version of the Trinity, rebooted iteration with the Father- Son-Holy Spirit concept. Over time, it has become a snare, similar to purgatory teaching and other unbiblical teachings of demons, the trinity psychological effect has produced a mental and emotional indoctrination of traditional paganistic origins i to the spiritually adulterous religions of Christendom today; Which in essence is a poorly replicated, mimic version of Christianity by Satan the Devil; Common aphorism has taken whole of identifying it as BABYLONTHEGREAT> Revelation 17-18. Many of the so-called theologians or religious leaders of groups, small and large rarely touch on the topic because it's spiritual conscience and its teachings are not centered around the truth but adhering to limited text shaped around isolated dogma to prove some bizarre Trinity belief. The woman in the book of Revelation is a spiritual harlot. This religionist culture still exists today in Christendom. See Roman 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you, even as it is written. Okay guys hope that's helpful🫡
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Psalm 110:1, KJV. Do you understand what it means to sit at the right hand of Power? It is affirming that Christ has equal status to the Father within the Godhead. All Glory to the Most High God!
Psalms 110:1 tells us that God commanded Jesus to WAIT UNTIL..... Jesus had to wait to be made King. When has God been made to wait? And who has any authority to appoint God as King? Read verse 3. It is about JWs.
DONT BE SCARED, THIS COVERS YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT "MICHAEL" BUT DONT JUST LOOK, THE MORE IMPORTANT THING IS SCRIPTURE! ITS ABOUT 15 MINUTES OF READING, ABOUT HAVE OF WHAT YOU VIDEO WAS. The only holy angel other than Gabriel named in the Bible, and the only one called “archangel.” (Jude 9) The first occurrence of the name is in the tenth chapter of Daniel, where Michael is described as “one of the foremost princes” that came to the aid of a lesser angel who was opposed by the “prince of the royal realm of Persia.” Michael was called “the prince of [Daniel’s] people,” “the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Dan. 10:13, 20, 21; 12:1) This points to Michael as the angel who led the Israelites through the wilderness. (Ex. 23:20, 21, 23; 32:34; 33:2) Lending support to this conclusion is the fact that “Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body.”-Jude 9. Scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael applied to God’s Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ and also after his return. Michael is the only one said to be the “archangel,” meaning “chief angel” or “principal angel.” The term occurs in the Bible only in the singular. This seems to imply that there is but one whom God has designated chief or head of the angelic host. At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the voice of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ is described as being that of an archangel, suggesting that he is, in fact, himself the archangel. This text depicts him as descending from heaven with a “commanding call.” It is only logical, therefore, that the voice expressing this commanding call be described by a word that would not diminish or detract from the great authority that Christ Jesus now has as King of kings and Lord of lords. (Matt. 28:18; Rev. 17:14) If the designation “archangel” applied, not to Jesus Christ, but to other angels, then the reference to an “archangel’s voice” would not be appropriate. In that case it would be describing a voice of lesser authority than that of the Son of God. There are also other correspondencies establishing that Michael is actually the Son of God. Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael (10:13), recorded a long-range prophecy reaching down to “the time of the end” (11:40), and then stated: “And during that time Michael will stand up” (12:1), that is, will take up power or begin to reign as king. (Compare Daniel 8:22, 23; 11:2, 3, 7, 20, 21.) This implies that a period of being seated preceded his standing up as king. In agreement therewith Hebrews 10:12, 13 says regarding Christ Jesus: “This man offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God, from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet.” Michael’s standing up was to lead to a “time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.”-Dan. 12:1. The book of Revelation (12:7, 10, 12) mentions Michael in connection with the establishment of God’s kingdom and links this event with trouble for the earth: “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled. And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: ‘Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, . . . On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea.’” Jesus Christ is later depicted as leading the heavenly armies in war against the nations of the earth. (Rev. 19:11-16) This would mean a period of distress for them, which would logically be included in the “time of distress” to follow Michael’s standing up. (Dan. 12:1) Since the Son of God is to fight the nations, it is only reasonable that he was the one who with his angels earlier battled against the superhuman dragon, Satan the Devil, and his angels. In his prehuman existence Jesus was called “the Word.” (John 1:1) He also had the personal name Michael. By retaining the name Jesus after his resurrection (Acts 9:5), the “Word” shows that he is identical with the Son of God on earth. His resuming his heavenly name Michael and his title (or, name) “The Word of God” (Rev. 19:13) ties him in with his prehuman existence. The very name Michael, asking as it does, “Who is like God?”, points to the fact that Jehovah God is without like or equal and that Michael his archangel is his great Champion or Vindicator. ANY QUESTIONS? JER. 9:23 Thus saith Jehovah, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches; 24 but let him that glorieth glory in this, that he hath understanding, and knoweth me, that I am Jehovah who exerciseth lovingkindness, justice, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith Jehovah.
@@jimjuri6490 No it's not. Revelation 1-3 is not for the church age doctrinally, learn Pauline doctrine first because Jesus chose him to deliver it. Secondly, I suggest that you learn the difference between the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God so that you can understand the two titles that Jesus has, Son of man and Son of God. Don't learn from a JW or their ridiculous fake bible. Get a real Bible, a King James Bible and watch the following video. You will know more about the Bible if you get this right than any 10,000 people that think that they do in Kingdom Hall or the Watchtower Society. ua-cam.com/video/GHrlELwRQmI/v-deo.htmlsi=rbTGNxnKBZw0pI2w
The first and the last in this verse in the Greek are protos and eskatos. Which infers the beginning and end of something. God had no beginning and has no end. Christ being the only begotten son was the first and the last to be created by God , everything else was created through christ.col.1v 15, 16.
He who adds to the word, God will add plagues upon him. He who takes away the word, God will take away his portion from heaven. Man can deceive man with words. Make no mistake - God will never deceive man with his word he promises. God will reward you or condemn you with his ward to us all.
@jimjuri6490 Sam said it in the video. "The lower case G" was "Added" Sam indicated that the letter "A" was added to scriptures that aren't found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The NIV is the same way with taking out words and inserting words in the Bible that aren't found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the King James Bible. Surly, you know what would happen to people who play with the words of God, right. I made my comment from my observations of differences between the old and the new bibles, not the old and new Testament. I'm concerned that one wrong word can sincerely lead people astray, and no one can contest God in the great white throne of judgment for practicing man's word he added in the word of God, namely the Bible. I hope I've answered your question in detail and you can find a conclusion in my comment I've made. Bless you, buddy, and may we meet in the new heaven and the new earth of the new creation 🌎 Amen 🙏
Deceptive in that he does not follow how some other bible translations read Acts 20:28 - to the uninformed a casual reading of said verse even in esv version one could conclude that God has physical Human blood which is impossible...and secondly one has to differentiate who was it that died?...was it Jesus or was it God who died??...if God did die then scripture at Habakkuk 1:12 is wrong where it says: " are you not God from long ago? ..oh my God you do NOT die" but Jesus died when he was nailed and Not God. And no, God does not have human blood since he is a spirit as John 4:24 says. Jesus says he was sent by God, and not that God came to earth as a man.
Well done. The ignorance of the trinitarians is unbelievable. Wrapped in their delusion and can't realize that they are entrenched in the biggest demonic teaching to pervaid the conscience of mankind. Revelation 17:1-6....plus And Revelation 18: .4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come forth, my people, out of her(the spiritual harlot-false religion), that ye have no fellowship with her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues: 5 for her sins have reached even unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. BABYLON THE GREAT
Man I forgot how much his voice changed over the years. Please Lord hear our prayers for Sam to preserve his throat and voice and eyes so he can continue to spread your word. In Jesus’s name
Also John 1:18 in the King James says no man has seen God at any time; The only begotten son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.. The ESV, no one has ever seen God; the only God who is at the father's side he has made him known,... huge difference between the modern scriptures which pervert the word of God, and says something totally different than the King James which was given to the whole world in the common language
@@cycribbs : God doesn't change forms. Jesus made this clear at John 4:24. Plus, when the time and opportunity clause 'AT ANY TIME' is added, what does it mean? That God was seen or that God has NEVER been SEEN? Who were those who appeared to Abraham? Paul helps. (Hebrews 13:2) Do not forget hospitality, for through it some unknowingly entertained angels. Of the three angels in human form, 2 went on to save Lot and his family. People who read the OT accounts written by Moses may jump to the conclusion that it was God himself who appeared and spoke. It wasn't. See Hebrews 1:1. Hence, the reason for John to state that God has never been seen by humans. Here is what God told Moses: (Exodus 33:20) But he added: “You cannot see my face, for NO MAN CAN SEE ME AND LIVE.” If God were to come close to this earth, it would evaporate. That is why God SENDS angels to accomplish his purpose. Jesus was one such angel. That is why he is called a Son of God. Compare Job 1:6.
@@tongakhan230 oh really, well he appeared to Abraham, he appeared to Moses, you know Melchizedek was without mother and father, Jesus Christ is the manifestation of God on earth, see I can use scripture too, to point to the truth... Isaiah 7:14 therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign semicolon behold a virgin shall conceive and bury son, and she'll call his name Emmanuel.. Matthew 1:23 behold a virgin shall be with child and she shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel which being interpret is God with us Isaiah 9:6 for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called wonderful, counselor the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.. Isaiah 43:10, ye are my witnesses, say at the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that 👉I am he 👈 before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after me John 1, 14 in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God, 14 and the word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory the glory as of the only begotten son of the Father, full of grace and truth John 8:58 Jesus said unto them verily verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I AM... John 20:27-28 then say if he to Thomas reach hither thy finger and behold my hand; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side and be not faithless but believing, 28 and Thomas answered and said unto him thy Lord and my God 1 Timothy 3:16 and without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh justified in the spirit seen of angels preached unto the gentiles believed on in the world, received up the glory Revelation 1:8 I am the alpha the Omega the beginning and the ending saith the Lord which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty
God promotes Jesus to a higher position. Philippians 2:9. What higher position can Almighty God be exalted to? And who is the God who made this promotion to Jesus? Doesn't pan out. Sorry!
@ jimjuri6490 that would be correct if you look past verses 6-7, when Jesus starts off in the form of God. It’s after taking the form of a servant, that Jesus is humbled and crucified, that Jesus is then exalted by the Father. Jesus is the incarnation of God. Truly God, yet also truly man. That is how Jesus can be God yet can be “exalted”. It’s Jesus returning to the status that He has before Incarnation as the Son. Hope that makes sense.
@@samueljennings4809 : Ever wondered why Paul would say that 'Jesus' was in the FORM of God and NOT God himself? This may help. 'To WHICH of the ANGELS did God say...' - Hebrews 1:5,13. Get it? Angels are in the FORM of God (Spirit beings). Just as we are in the FORM of Adam (human beings). What happened when God promoted this particular angel as Phil 2:9 states? (Hebrews 1:4) So HE HAS BECOME BETTER THAN THE ANGELS to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent THAN THEIRS. Remember, apples can only be compared to apples fact. Give it some rational thought.
@@jimjuri6490 He was exalted because He humbled Himself to the point of death even death on the cross. Jesus, the Lord almighty humbled Himself and became like us. If Jesus is not God, the incarnation means nothing, the ministry of Christ means nothing, His propitiation means nothing and His resurrection means nothing, and we are not saved.
@@harley6659 : One fact we must remember is that God CANNOT DIE. Jesus, his son, whom God SENT to become a human was killed by humans. Hebrews 2:9 But we do see Jesus, who WAS MADE a little lower THAN ANGELS, Hebrews 1:4 So he has BECOME BETTER THAN THE ANGELS to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent THAN THEIRS. How would these statements make sense if Jesus was God? Who did the MAKING of Jesus into the various forms and state? Jesus was an ANGEL son of God. Apples can be compared to apples fact. If Jesus was God, then there was NO SACRIFICE made TO God for us. We have no hope. JWs preach the TRUTH as did Jesus. That is why all these attempts are made to discredit JWs. Else, why bother with them? Jesus also couldn't be ignored. He told the Jews: (John 8:40) But now you are seeking to kill me, A MAN who has told you THE TRITH I HEARD FROM GOD. Did Jesus claim to be God or a Prophet of God? Search for truth and you will find it. Have falsehoods forced down a throat and end up being one of those whom Jesus referred to at Matthew 7:13. Be among the FEW who love TRUTH (Matthew 7:14).
@@samueljennings4809 .. of course you don't make sense because you're ignorant and making things up to suit yourself. You've totally missed the point - Jesus was resurrected as a spirit - the same form he had in heaven with his Father, before being sent to the earth. His ascension to heaven after some 40 days appearing to his disciples, does not count as being exalted to a higher position when he had that position in the first place. It is in heaven itself that Jesus is exalted, because his situation is different than it was before - he had learned obedience in human form - he did not gain this experience in heaven. Jesus proved beyond doubt that a perfect human could remain obedient to God under test - the perfect man Adam could have done the same had he chosen to - Adam's sin was inexcusable. Jesus not only gave his life, but he suffered in the process for some 6 hours on a Roman execution stake - it was the worst form of torture during that period in human history. Jesus was fully aware of his God-given assignment, yet he agreed to it because he loved his Father and understood the purpose of the ransom - Proverbs 8:31 tells us that out of all the things created, Jesus was 'fond of the sons of men' - he willingly gave his life on behalf of all those who would 'exercise faith in the ransom' - John 3:16 Having completed this assignment, not only did Jesus prove Satan to be a liar, by keeping his integrity and remaining obedient to his Father's will - he was able to provide the value of his sacrifice to his Father, who could now, on that basis release humans from sin and death if they chose to learn his requirements for living in a future paradise earth. - John 17:3 Note Jesus' announcement at Matthew 28:18 Jesus approached and spoke to them [his disciples], saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”
@Kingly-Mike TRINITY ROOTS a short historical sampling. Babylon: TRINITY Nimrod, Tammuz and Samiramis BABYLON is the start of variuos Trinity worshiping. See> Genesis (10:8-12, 11:1-9) In Ancient Egypt: TRINITY The Egyptian trinity is a group of three deities that includes Asar, Aset, and Heru:. In India 🇮🇳: TRINITY It is often said that there is a trinity of Hindu gods: Brahma, the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer. But while Vishnu and Shiva have followers and temples all over India, Brahma is not worshiped as a major deity. In Ancient Rome: TRINITY The Capitoline Triad was a group of three deities who were worshipped in ancient Roman religion in an elaborate temple on Rome's Capitoline Hill (Latin Capitolium). It comprised Jupiter, Juno and Minerva. The triad held a central place in the public religion of Rome Greece: TRINITY The Olympian demiurgic triad in platonic philosophy was made up of Zeus (considered the Zeus [king of the gods] of the Heavens), Poseidon (Zeus of the seas) and Pluto/Hades (Zeus of the underworld The legend and trinity gods have always been false gods. At various times in the Bible, the Baal gods were trinity gods. See Jeremiah 23: 26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies, even the prophets of the deceit of their own heart? 27 that think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbor, as their fathers forgat my name for Baal. Baal is also mentioned as Bel in older Hebrew text-Triune god concepts from demons. The demons in the spirit realm have a way of shaping this into certain societies and cultures. It's often re branded as you can see, because one culture will not accept another culture's version of the trinity. The modern day trinits iteration that exist in Christendom today is heavily influenced by greek mythology. And the modern day Trinity has its roots in Greek mythology. The Hellenistic period was coming to an end about 150 years or so after Christ death, later Satan ushered in slowly the version of trinity into the early church fathers of Christendom 325AD. formally ratified at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The Holy Spirit was included at the First Council of Constantinople (381 AD), where the relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one substance (ousia) and three co-equal persons (hypostaseis) was formally ratified. And later, one of 5 more of the State/Government approved doctrines of these church father meetings took place in Ephesus. I think were at about 7 hese ecumenical councils meetings but it taken place about four hundred years or so for the trinity doctrine to become state approved by the various roman emperors. In short, before I go into much more, the current version of the trinity that exist in Christendom is just a reformatted, re-branded or more sophisticated version of the Trinity, rebooted iteration with the Father- Son-Holy Spirit concept. Over time, it has become a snare, similar to purgatory teaching and other unbiblical teachings of demons, the trinity psychological effect has produced a mental and emotional indoctrination of traditional paganistic origins i to the spiritually adulterous religions of Christendom today; Which in essence is a poorly replicated, mimic version of Christianity by Satan the Devil; Common aphorism has taken whole of identifying it as BABYLONTHEGREAT> Revelation 17-18. Many of the so-called theologians or religious leaders of groups, small and large rarely touch on the topic because it's spiritual conscience and its teachings are not centered around the truth but adhering to limited text shaped around isolated dogma to prove some bizarre Trinity belief. The woman in the book of Revelation is a spiritual harlot. This religionist culture still exists today in Christendom. See Roman 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you, even as it is written. Okay guys hope that's helpful🫡
I don't quite understand this. It sounds counterintuitive. He saying that the Jehovah's witnesses use the scriptures. Are we not to use the scriptures as the authority! And we're looking at what the scriptures say, but he's telling us we're not supposed to believe what the scripture say because of how Jehovah's witnesses may interpret them. 🤔 He says it doesn't matter what the Bible, even his ESV version. John 14:28 ESV You heard me say to you, 'I am going away, and I will come to you. ' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. I will say he does have something correct, In that going to look up Greek or other complicated words. It's really unnecessary, Jesus spoke in plain common terms and at times he used illustrations. The people who followed him ranged from various backgrounds. They were common people, housewives, fisherm and and so forth the scriptures aren't meant to be confusing, so individuals trying to put Jesus as God, when hundreds of scriptures plainly say he's the Son of God are typically the ones that go that route. Its truly not necessary. And as one of jehovah's witnesses I will Not debate on such things. Maybe share a few scriptures. If the person disagrees, fine we share scriptures and we go our way, whether individuals believe Jehovah's witnesses Bible based beliefs or not. We encourage you all to do like we do and what we are commissioned to do by God the father and Jesus Christ. English Standard Version Acts 20:20 how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you in public and from house to house, Matthew 6:9-10 Jesus says➡️After this manner therefore pray ye. Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy Kingdom come. So Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth. So, like many of you, we are wanting the peace that is to come through the Kingdom. That's what we preach. I believe what this gentleman is talking about is the Trinity thing, and because we don't see it in scripture and certainly it's not a word In the bible, we don't get involved with all that, but what we do, Yes, listen to Jesus. So the father figure in the Trinity Godhead, whats wrong with us worshiping Him. At least you all will give us credit by listening to Jesus.⬇️ The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.🙏
This man Sam Shamoun is by far not like the apostle Paul of our time. Paul did not believed in trinity, hellfire, immortality of soul and other pagan doctrines... Paul is a true witness of Jehovah God while this man, Sam Shamoun is an advocate of lies and false doctrine of satan!
you dont have to be a Jehovah witness to know Jesus is not God. Deut 6:4 Circular logic If Yeshua was God. God does not have a God. John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. You cannot kill God. God is not a man that should he would lie. Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? If you cannot kill God and you say He is not a man because all men lie then what was Jesus again? Hosea 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.
This is what I've been trying to say, modern scriptures which pervert the word of God were retranslated by Brooke Frost westcott in Fenton Anthony John hart, who were coinciding with the Jesuits to undermine the King James. I hate trying to comment on here because every two words my microphone was to cut off
@@DianaMcFerran True, the KJV is garbage. Instead of the original words Sheol and Hades meaning "grave", hell was put in their place. A clever deception that still has people fooled! Then, other changes were made to support the trinity lie, like inserting 1 John 5:7 that wasn't found in any of the oldest manuscripts, and these: All these verses were added to the KJV: The verses are Matthew 17:21; 18:11; 23:14; Mark 7:16; 9:44, 46; 11:26; 15:28; Luke 17:36; 23:17; John 5:4; Acts 8:37; 15:34; 24:7; 28:29; and Romans 16:24.
Why not just take their JW Bible put alongside a KJ Bible (or other correct Bible) show them that they are different. Then go to 1 Cor 15:1-4 to show them that the ONLY way is to believe (plus nothing). If they have changed the word as you have shown they did, then they obviously DO NOT BELIEVE GOD. And BELIEVING is the ONLY WAY. Everything else is secondary.
Don't forget to read James chapters 1 & 2 .. Not forgetting John 14:12 "Most truly I say to you, whoever exercises faith in me will also do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father."
Try using the TLV ( Tree of Life) both the TANAKH and the B’rit Hadasha ( New Testament are translated from the original Hebrew. Also have them read Revelations 7 , the 144000 are from the tribes of Israel 🇮🇱, they are Levitical Priests meaning they are ALL male as well as virgins therefore they cannot be Jehovah witnesses or LDS.
@@dbboi33 .. have you researched the various listings given in the Bible of the tribes of Israel? When you have then you'll realize that in Revelation (writing completed in 96 C.E) this is not a literal list of actual tribes - there was no tribe of Levi or of Joseph - Joseph's two sons received his inheritance and the original tribe of Levi were not given their own land but were provided living arrangements within pre-existing cities. The Revelation listing of 12 tribes is symbolic not literal - scholars know this. The Jews as a nation were finished - they have no inheritance of the kingdom - literal Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 C.E - the heavenly Jerusalem is the bride of Christ made up of 144,000 anointed Christians - they are as angels in heaven (they have no gender and no need to procreate - even though some messenger angels have been given male names ie. Gabriele) The 144,000 represent a spiritual bride - a new creation - these have been bought from the earth and co-rule with Christ in heaven as kings over the earth - they also have priestly duties that will apply the value of the ransom to those living on earth after Armageddon. Only Jehovah's Witnesses have identified the spiritual bride - the seed of the 'woman' mentioned in Genesis 3:15 - the prophecy sees fulfilment in Revelation with the marriage of the Lamb. Only Jehovah's Witnesses have identified the 'faithful and discreet slave' - no other religion or church of Christendom has claimed a spirit anointed slave class - a governing body that directs God's people during the last days and establishes a global network of Christian congregations that preaches the "good news of the kingdom" to all the nations, just as Jesus foretold. - Matthew 24:14 Only Jehovah's Witnesses are identified in scripture as God's true witnesses - Isaiah 43:10-12 according to the original Hebrew manuscripts that acknowledge the divine name.
Once you prove scripture to them they have a convention and change their Bibles so arguing with Jehova’s Nit-Wits is a massive waste of time. It’s like Charleton Heston in Omega Man wrestling with the Zombie Goons trying in vain to help the unwilling..
By the way, If this guy's gonna speak in behalf.Or jesus , you think he'd dress in a more dignified way and not speak so speedily , arrogantly and harshly. It looks as though he's squeezing in this poor teaching session in before he ushers himself off to a billiards tournament. Not saying you have to put on a suit but at least something dress casual or little bit more dignified if you claim the represent Christ.
@@theelph100 1 Samuel 6:7? Now, therefore, prepare one new cart with two milk cows that have never been yoked. Hitch the cows to the cart, but take their calves away and pen them up. Please explain what you mean by 1 Sam 6:7
I have seen the video and I have read the comments. Here's is my conclusion; We weren't meant to fully grasp this concept. This topic has just enough ambiguity to keep ALL of us engaged and searching for truth. How else would you explain all the JW's in the comment section standing firm in their belief in spite of what was said in the video? Ultimately I think the answer we all seek will be provided by Christ himself in heaven. That being said, what are the ramifications believing or not believing that Jesus is God? For example, the Christian vs Atheist debate has a common idiom of sorts; "If I believe in God and it turns out that he doesn't exist? No harm no foul. But if the atheist turns out to be wrong, it's fire and brimstone etc. So what are the ramifications of Believing one way or the other for Christians and JWs regarding Jesus?
Jesus in prayer to his God Jehovah said: John 17:3 KJV And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Eternal life hinges on KNOWING THE ONLY TRUE GOD. Then Jesus adds himself as a criteria. Thus, if people confuse God with Jesus, guess they won't be around to learn anything.
@@jimjuri6490 Thank you for the response. The thing is, (and let's be real for a moment). You and I both know that there are plenty of verses that support both sets of beliefs. This video even covered a lot (but not all) of them. So instead of you and I posting yet another verse regarding the age old debate of, "Jesus is God" / "Jesus is not God". How about we focus on what you just said about salvation/eternal life and "KNOWING GOD". Maybe you can share some verses about THAT instead. Because ultimately salvation is the crux of all of our efforts. My questions: *If I know Jesus, do I know God? *If I don't know Jesus, but I am seeking Jesus, am I also seeking God? *If I pray to Jesus, is God listening and answering (according to His will)? *Can I go directly to God without Jesus? *Can I obtain salvation without Jesus? *Is Jesus optional or required ? Thanks and I look forward to seeing your response. These are MY questions and are not designed to be "gotcha" questions, sorry if it comes off that way.
@@kitchendaughter9346 : There is only ONE God to True Christians. (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, JWs and their Leader Jesus worship this ONE TRUR GOD Jehovah. Compare John 20:17. Anyone who wants to contradict this and believe another version of God/gods is of course, their affair.
@@Wolfspyder5 : Jesus was the Prophet LIKE Moses promised at Deuteronomy 18;18. The one in whom God will put His words and the one who will speak what God tells him to. Here is Jesus identifying himself as that Prophet of God. John 12:49 For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who SENT ME has himself given me a commandment about WHAT TO SAY AND WHAT TO SPEAK. (Compare John 5:46). God cannot be his own Prophet, surely. We are told to listen to this Prophet or else. (Deuteronomy 18:19) Indeed, I will require an account from the man WHO WILL NOT LISTEN to MY WORDS that HE WILL SPEAK in my name. Listening to Jesus would logically mean listening to God. Acts 4:12 Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is NO OTHER NAME THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN AMONG MEN by which we must get saved.” The MAN Jesus is the one appointed by God, THROUGH whom the provision of salvation comes to humans (Compare John 3:16). I believe all one's questions have been answered. If not, please let me know.
If God GAVE Jesus a higher position than Jesus had before, logically Jesus cannot be Almighty God. Ref Phil 2:9. This promotion made Jesus BETTER THAN THE ANGELS. Hebrews 1:4. KJV Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a MORE EXCELLENT THAN THEY. If 'Almighty God' was made better than the angels by God, guess we have a problem. Who is this God who made Jesus better than the Angels?
you sound exactly like someone who tries to debunk the trinity but doesnt even know what it means... too scared to fall in love with your Saviour when you do read it i guess...
@@wanderlustv3840 : A HEIR is someone who will INHERIT some property AFTER the OWNER DIES. Check any dictionary. The HEIR is appointed by the OWNER before the OWNER dies, logically. God appointed Jesus HEIR of all things means what? Ref Hebrews 1:2. Can the OWNER and his HEIR be one and the same individual? Give it some thought.
@@wanderlustv3840 : Is this a claim that you know what the Trinity defines? How about sharing the definition of the Trinity with us. Then we can compare it to what the Bible teaches. Copy and paste from the Roman Catholic source if needed. It is they who came up with such a notion. Here is a simple fact. NO ONE understands what the Trinity is. So called believers have their own opinions. The Trinity was a fulfillment of Pauls' prophecy of twisted teachings that would creep into the Christian way of life. Acts 20:30. Any twisted teaching cannot be comprehended with a logical mind. Please share your own definition of the Trinity.
and to the Jews, Prov 30:4 Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His son's name? Surely you know!
Interesting point in Proverbs 30:4 and the subsequent scriptures 5-10 say⬇ KJV Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. 7 Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die: 8 Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me: 9 Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain. 10➡ Accuse not a servant unto his master, lest he curse thee, and thou be found guilty.
We can still use all those Scriptures you Quoted Samny because Everthing must be Established by two or three wittessness...( *Deuteronomy 19:15/2 Corinthians 13:1* ) So use the KJV,/ N.I.V/ ESV to testify against there ONE corrupted Version NWT 🤔.
@@mattmurdock2868 Honestly that just came to me as I was watching the clip (I will admit I'm not capable of such thoughts) Praise the Spirit of Truth JESUS promised to Send 🕊️❤️❤️❤️🕊️
KJV 1611 Psalm 83:⬇ 16Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD. 17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: 18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. KJV Deuteronomy 13 1If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD (Jehovah) your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD(Jehovah) your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. KJV Jeremiah 23: 26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; 27 Which think to cause my people to forget my NAME by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.⬅ BAAL is one of the early forms of this god(s) concept. It also made its way into Egypt➡(Father God Osiris, the Mother Goddess Isis, and the Son Horus) BAAL demonism also made its way into India➡(Hindu gods: Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer) BAAL spiritism rebranded this demonic concept into Greece & Rome in the Hellenistic Period, or Hellenism; those demonic concepts were ushered in the Greek version of the trinity god(s)➡Greek Olympic triad of Zeus (king of the gods), Athena (goddess of war and intellect) and Apollo (god of the sun, culture and music. And then the Roman version trinity god(s)➡ Jupiter (protector of the state), Juno (protector of women) and Minerva (goddess of craft and wisdom). BAAL lastly was deployed into Catholicism The belief in the Holy Trinity was officially agreed upon by church leaders, from the Roman Empire, at the Council of Nicea in the year 325 CE. Roman Emperor Constantine called for the meeting of church leaders in order to settle disputes among them. They had 6 more of these type of councils over 1800 years or so. BAAL demonism into Roman & Orthodox in this form➡The trinity represents the belief that God is of one Being made up of three distinct Persons who exist in co-equal, co-eternal communion as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. KJV 1611 Revelation 17:1👇 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration So as you know the word trinity does Not exist in the Bible. But its re-branded satanic god concepts do. ASV 1Corinthians 10: 19 What say I then? that a thing sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have communion with demons. 21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of demons: ye cannot partake of the table of the Lord, and of the table of demons. 22 Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he? 23 All things are lawful; but not all things are expedient. All things are lawful; but not all things edify. 24 Let no man seek his own, but each his neighbor’s good🙏 Your request➡ Deuteronomy 19:15/2 Corinthians 13:1 ) So use the KJV,/ N.I.V/ ESV to testify against there ONE corrupted Version NWT! With all the versions that you mentioned above, which version is corrupt to the ESV? And so who are the human beings that have the best and perfect Bible? And how about you sample this one example from the ESV to the KJV 1611, 1ST John 5:7 In concluding Proverbs 30:⬇ 4Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is HIS NAME, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell? 5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words(like trinity), lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. 7 Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die: 8 Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me: 9 Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain. 10 Accuse not a servant unto his master, lest he curse thee, and thou be found guilty. 11 There is a generation that curseth their father...... Acts 28:22⬇ But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect (cult), we know that every where it is spoken against.
@@KingdomMight 😂 *Proverbs 30:4/John 3:13* His Name Is Yeshua *John 17:11* Blessed Be the Name Of Yeshua Ha-MaShiach the Name Above ALL NAMES @ The Name of Yeshua every Knee with Bow in Heaven & On Earth & beneath the Earth & Every Tongue will *CONFESS YESHUA IS LORD* to The Honour if Our GOD *Isaiah 45:23 / Philippians 2:10-11* 🙏❤️❤️❤️🙏
@@KingdomMight Those that Blasphemy against *GOD HOLY SPIRIT* will not be forgiven in this Life or the Life to Come 📖 *Mark 3:28-29 / Matthew 12:31-32* 📖
Sam Shamoun you litterally lied it is there read the footnotes of NIV relating manuscripts Footnotes Acts 20:28 Many manuscripts of the Lord Acts 20:28 Or with the blood of his own Son
It wouldn't be the first time he does that. But that will slide, because his followers will never take the time to actually look up if what he says is really true. I have heard him claim the most crazy things and still people are clapping. This is their guru, and sadly what the guru says, goes.
Here are a few example of how we see “his own” which is “idios” used and implied in scripture. See the context. John 1:11, “His own [people]. John 13:1, “His own [disciples]. John 19:27, “His own [home]. 1 Timothy 5:8, “His own [family]. Acts 4:23, “His own” what? Brothers. Acts 21:6, “His own” what? Families. Acts 24:23, “His own” what? Friends. And in Acts 28:20, “His own” what? None other than God’s beloved Son. Easy to see unless we have been conditioned to think otherwise by guys like Sam.
The term "The First and the Last" applies both to Jehovah God and to his Son, Jesus, but with different meanings. Consider two examples. ● At Isaiah 44:6, Jehovah says: “I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.” Here Jehovah highlights that he is the everlasting true God; besides him, there is no other. (Deuteronomy 4:35, 39) In this case, then, the expression “the first and the last” has the same meaning as “the Alpha and the Omega.” ● Additionally, the term “the First [pro’tos, not alpha] and the Last [e’skha·tos, not omega]” occurs at Revelation 1:17, 18 and 2:8. In these verses, the context shows that the one referred to died and later returned to life. Thus, these verses cannot refer to God because he has never died. (Habakkuk 1:12) However, Jesus died and was resurrected. (Acts 3:13-15) He was the first human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life in heaven, where he now lives “forever and ever.” (Revelation 1:18; Colossians 1:18) Jesus is the one who performs all resurrections thereafter. (John 6:40, 44) Therefore, he was the last one to be resurrected directly by Jehovah. (Acts 10:40) In this sense, Jesus can properly be called “the First and the Last.”
Yep ... All good points .... And even beyond this, since Christ's words at Rev. 1:17 and 2:8 were recorded by John in Greek. Then they should match the readings in the Greek LXX at those Isaiah passages if Jesus is indeed quoting from there. But none of them really do as the Hebrew Masoretic text and the Greek LXX readings differ on the titles at all those verses in Isaiah. Also of note, is that we honestly can't even be completely certain Jesus ever said "I am the first and last" at Rev. 1:17 and 2:8! Because one of the great uncial manuscripts, the 5th cent. CE Codex Alexandrinus (or "Codex A"). Which reputedly contains the best textual witness that exist today for the book of Revelation. Does not read "I am the first and last" at those verses. But "I am the firstborn and the last." So we can't be sure of what title Jesus originally used there to begin with. ....
What's the name of the Holy Spirit? Jesus is the son, but he's also the Father-Jehovah?🙅 Where's the scripture that says "God the Son" or "Son the God" or "Holy Spirit God Son of Jesus"🙆♂ John 8;23 he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. 26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. 27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. 28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. 29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. 30 As he spake these words, many believed on him. 31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
2:20 : Anyway all the English translations are wrong even the NWT, when they say "only-begotten God" because the Greek Word is not "God" but "Son" : the verse should literally be read : "the only-begotten Son who is *in* *the* *bosom* of the Father". Not even "in the arms", but "in the bosom", which is stronger as far as the deep meaning of this verse is concerned. There is another verse not mentioned in this video : *Colossians* *2:* *9* speaks about Jesus : NKJV : "For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" NWT : "because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine *quality* dwells bodily" : You notice the word *"quality"* has been added because you can have the "quality" of something without being this thing in essence, you can look like a thing without being this thing in essence, so here the JWs want you to believe that Jesus has the "quality" of God, but is not God in his very essence ! BUT, if you look at the JW's interlinear Greek translation, it reads : ἐν αὐτῷ κατοικεῖ πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος σωματικῶς, In him is dwelling all the fulness of the divinity bodily" So, the JW's interlinear greek translation doesn't have the word "quality" added because it is NOT in the Greek !! We've just proven the NWT wrong and twisted once more....
"Sam is either stupid, ignorant, or dishonest. You want to help J.W., and the way you want to help them is to misinterpret what they believe and why, and with dishonest arguments." got it, yeah guy don't embarrass yourself, Sam has done it for all of you, what a joke
You accuse Sam of being stupid (lack of intellectual ability), ignorant (lacking in correct facts), or dishonest (lacking in moral character in telling the truth), and misinterpretting what JWs believe. Then for evidence you present………NOTHING……let me repeat……NOTHING. So, your objections have NOTHING OF VALUE to support them.
@rogerlau4932 You don't know Sam the way I do. Sam has been debating J.W. for over 20 years. He knows he's lying and misrepresenting them, and you are now more misguided because you listen to him. I doubt this will make any difference to you or people following Sam, Trinitarian nut jobs in general. It doesn't matter for most people; they are going to believe not according to evidence but according to what they want to believe. Sam is a vessel for confirmation bias. Let's dive into that. I will break down a single point for you, and if you don't collapse completely, then I'll address all the other silly claims Sam made. How does that sound? Sam says that the N.W.T. suffers from lowercase god syndrome. Sam is completely mistaken; he suffers from a functional misunderstanding. J.W. are correct about John 1:1, which is no longer a debate. The debate ended over 100 years ago. It's funny how Sam, now Catholic, doesn't accept the Catholic scholar's position, which has admitted the Jehovah's Witness translation of John 1:1 is correct. But he can't, huh? He's a tool. Here is a Catholic link that admits so catholicnick.blogspot.com/2010/06/jws-are-correct-about-john-11-jesus-is.html Then you have the early Church Fathers' views of Christ that support the J.W. rendering: Justin Martyr (c. 100 - c. 165 AD): Justin Martyr was an early Christian apologist and philosopher. In his works, especially in his "First Apology" and "Dialogue with Trypho," Justin interprets the Logos (Word) as a divine being distinct from God the Father but closely associated with Him. He refers to the Logos as the "first-begotten" of God and as a divine intermediary between God and humanity. Clement of Alexandria (c. 150 - c. 215 AD): Clement of Alexandria was a Christian theologian who emphasized the role of the Logos in the universe and in human salvation. He viewed the Logos as the divine principle of reason and wisdom through which God created and sustains the world. Clement's writings suggest that he saw the Logos as a divine being, distinct from but closely related to God. Origen (c. 184 - c. 253 AD): Origen was a highly influential Christian theologian and scholar. He interpreted John 1:1 in his works, such as "De Principiis" and his commentaries on the Gospel of John, as indicating the pre-existence and divinity of the Logos. Origen believed that the Logos was a divine being, begotten by God the Father before all creation and that the Logos played a central role in God's plan for salvation. In his commentary on John 1:1, Origen emphasizes the pre-existence and divine status of the Word, suggesting a qualitative understanding of the verse, as Jehovah's Witnesses do. It's worth knowing that the translation that renders the sons of God as gods or that supports Sons of God theology is not unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. That's what the Jews believed (Psalms 8:5, Psalms 82:6, 1 Corinthians 8:5, 2 Corinthians 4:4). All the sons of God are gods, whether they are good or bad; they existed in the same form as the Father. Trinitarians changed the meaning of nature and essence to mean Trinity. That's not how these words were used or understood by the writers of the scriptures. You and I share the same nature; we're both humans, but not the same being, aren't we? Humans make humans; the sons of God are gods, and God is described as spirit (John 4:24). God's sons are described in the same way; He makes them spirit (Psalm 104:4). You can disagree all you want, but Jehovah's Witnesses base their beliefs on the most ancient understanding of the scriptures. Do you think Sam, in all his knowledge, doesn't know these facts? Let me ask you again, is Sam stupid, ignorant, or dishonest? I need you to understand that there is a difference between people who sincerely believe in the Trinity. I worship alongside Trinitarians all the time. They are beautiful Christians, God-fearing people with incredible devotion. I disagree with them, but I love them, and they are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I don't believe we are saved because we have accurate knowledge of metaphysics. You took this comment personally; it wasn't about you. I don't know you; you may be a great guy. I don't agree with J.W. on salvation teachings, which is much more important than the Trinity. The Trinity is never a matter of salvation; nowhere do we see that unless we believe that Jesus is God Almighty, we are not saved. These are empty arguments, and how is misrepresenting J.W. going to help them? It doesn't. It does the opposite. Most J.W. know Sam is lying; it reinforces their beliefs. They can be wrong, and they are on many doctrinal teachings. That doesn't mean they are wrong about everything. They are not. The Devil can't deceive people using only lies, my friend. Here are more translations that support J.W. rendering of John 1:1: An American Translation (Smith-Goodspeed): the Word was divine The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures: the Word was a god. The New Testament in Modern Speech (Richard Francis Weymouth): the word was "divine." The New Testament: A Translation (David Bentley Hart): the Logos was god. The New Testament: A Translation (Charles A. Anderson Hayes): the Word was divine. The problem is not the J.W. Trinitarian scholars have tampered with translations, confusing people. Your rendering of John 1:1 is grammatically impossible. If anything, you now know people have reasons. Are you going to be another Sam, or are you going to stand up for the truth? Like I said, I disagree with J.W. on many topics, but I don't need to mischaracterize them to prove my point. The truth needs no lies
@@rogerlau4932 You don't know Sam the way I do. Sam has been debating J.W. for over 20 years. He knows he's lying and misrepresenting them, and you are now more misguided because you listen to him. I doubt this will make any difference to you or people following Sam, Trinitarian nut jobs in general. It doesn't matter for most people; they are going to believe not according to evidence but according to what they want to believe. Sam is a vessel for confirmation bias. Let's dive into that. I will break down a single point for you, and if you don't collapse completely, then I'll address all the other silly claims Sam made. How does that sound? Sam says that the N.W.T. suffers from lowercase god syndrome. Sam is completely mistaken; he suffers from a functional misunderstanding. J.W. are correct about John 1:1, which is no longer a debate. The debate ended over 100 years ago. It's funny how Sam, not being Catholic, doesn't accept the Catholic scholar's position, which has admitted the Jehovah's Witness translation of John 1:1 is correct. But he can't, huh? He's a tool. Here is a Catholic link that admits so: Catholic Nick. Then you have the early Church Fathers' views of Christ that support the J.W. rendering: Justin Martyr (c. 100 - c. 165 AD): Justin Martyr was an early Christian apologist and philosopher. In his works, especially in his "First Apology" and "Dialogue with Trypho," Justin interprets the Logos (Word) as a divine being distinct from God the Father but closely associated with Him. He refers to the Logos as the "first-begotten" of God and as a divine intermediary between God and humanity. Clement of Alexandria (c. 150 - c. 215 AD): Clement of Alexandria was a Christian theologian who emphasized the role of the Logos in the universe and in human salvation. He viewed the Logos as the divine principle of reason and wisdom through which God created and sustains the world. Clement's writings suggest that he saw the Logos as a divine being, distinct from but closely related to God. Origen (c. 184 - c. 253 AD): Origen was a highly influential Christian theologian and scholar. He interpreted John 1:1 in his works, such as "De Principiis" and his commentaries on the Gospel of John, as indicating the pre-existence and divinity of the Logos. Origen believed that the Logos was a divine being, begotten by God the Father before all creation and that the Logos played a central role in God's plan for salvation. In his commentary on John 1:1, Origen emphasizes the pre-existence and divine status of the Word, suggesting a qualitative understanding of the verse, as Jehovah's Witnesses do. It's worth knowing that the translation that renders the sons of God as gods or that supports Sons of God theology is not unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. That's what the Jews believed (Psalms 8:5, Psalms 82:6, 1 Corinthians 8:5, 2 Corinthians 4:4). All the sons of God are gods, whether they are good or bad; they existed in the same form as the Father. Trinitarians changed the meaning of nature or essence to mean Trinity. That's not how these words were used or understood by the writers of the scriptures. You and I share the same nature; we're both humans, but not the same being, aren't we? Humans make humans; the sons of God are gods, and God is described as spirit (John 4:24). God's sons are described in the same way; He makes them spirit (Psalm 104:4). You can disagree all you want, but Jehovah's Witnesses base their beliefs on the most ancient understanding of the scriptures. Do you think Sam, in all his knowledge, doesn't know these facts? Let me ask you again, is Sam stupid, ignorant, or dishonest? I need you to understand that there is a difference between people who sincerely believe in the Trinity. I worship alongside Trinitarians all the time. They are beautiful Christians, God-fearing people with incredible devotion. I disagree with them, but I love them, and they are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I don't believe we are saved because we have accurate knowledge of metaphysics. You took this comment personally; it wasn't about you. I don't know you; you may be a great guy. I don't agree with J.W. on salvation teachings, which is much more important than the Trinity. The Trinity is never a matter of salvation; nowhere do we see that unless we believe that Jesus is God Almighty, we are not saved. These are empty arguments, and how is misrepresenting J.W. going to help them? It doesn't. It does the opposite. Most J.W. know Sam is lying; it reinforces their beliefs. They can be wrong, and they are on many doctrinal teachings. That doesn't mean they are wrong about everything. They are not. The Devil can't deceive people using only lies, my friend. Here are more translations that support J.W. rendering of John 1:1: An American Translation (Smith-Goodspeed): the Word was divine The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures: the Word was a god. The New Testament in Modern Speech (Richard Francis Weymouth): the word was "divine." The New Testament: A Translation (David Bentley Hart): the Logos was god. The New Testament: A Translation (Charles A. Anderson Hayes): the Word was divine. The problem is not the J.W. Trinitarian scholars have tampered with translations, confusing people. Your rendering of John 1:1 is grammatically impossible. If anything, you now know people have reasons. Are you going to be another Sam, or are you going to stand up for the truth? Like I said, I disagree with J.W. on many topics, but I don't need to mischaracterize them to prove my point. The truth needs no lies.
@@rogerlau4932 You don't know Sam the way I do. Sam has been debating J.W. for over 20 years. He knows he's lying and misrepresenting them, and you are now more misguided because you listen to him. I doubt this will make any difference to you or people following Sam, Trinitarian nut jobs in general. It doesn't matter for most people; they are going to believe not according to evidence but according to what they want to believe. Sam is a vessel for confirmation bias. Let's dive into that. I will break down a single point for you, and if you don't collapse completely, then I'll address all the other silly claims Sam made. How does that sound? Sam says that the N.W.T. suffers from lowercase god syndrome. Sam is completely mistaken; he suffers from a functional misunderstanding. J.W. are correct about John 1:1, which is no longer a debate. The debate ended over 100 years ago. It's funny how Sam, not being Catholic, doesn't accept the Catholic scholar's position, which has admitted the Jehovah's Witness translation of John 1:1 is correct. But he can't, huh? He's a tool. Here is a Catholic link that admits so: Catholic Nick. Then you have the early Church Fathers' views of Christ that support the J.W. rendering: Justin Martyr (c. 100 - c. 165 AD): Justin Martyr was an early Christian apologist and philosopher. In his works, especially in his "First Apology" and "Dialogue with Trypho," Justin interprets the Logos (Word) as a divine being distinct from God the Father but closely associated with Him. He refers to the Logos as the "first-begotten" of God and as a divine intermediary between God and humanity. Clement of Alexandria (c. 150 - c. 215 AD): Clement of Alexandria was a Christian theologian who emphasized the role of the Logos in the universe and in human salvation. He viewed the Logos as the divine principle of reason and wisdom through which God created and sustains the world. Clement's writings suggest that he saw the Logos as a divine being, distinct from but closely related to God. Origen (c. 184 - c. 253 AD): Origen was a highly influential Christian theologian and scholar. He interpreted John 1:1 in his works, such as "De Principiis" and his commentaries on the Gospel of John, as indicating the pre-existence and divinity of the Logos. Origen believed that the Logos was a divine being, begotten by God the Father before all creation and that the Logos played a central role in God's plan for salvation. In his commentary on John 1:1, Origen emphasizes the pre-existence and divine status of the Word, suggesting a qualitative understanding of the verse, as Jehovah's Witnesses do. It's worth knowing that the translation that renders the sons of God as gods or that supports Sons of God theology is not unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. That's what the Jews believed (Psalms 8:5, Psalms 82:6, 1 Corinthians 8:5, 2 Corinthians 4:4). All the sons of God are gods, whether they are good or bad; they existed in the same form as the Father. Trinitarians changed the meaning of nature or essence to mean Trinity. That's not how these words were used or understood by the writers of the scriptures. You and I share the same nature; we're both humans, but not the same being, aren't we? Humans make humans; the sons of God are gods, and God is described as spirit (John 4:24). God's sons are described in the same way; He makes them spirit (Psalm 104:4). You can disagree all you want, but Jehovah's Witnesses base their beliefs on the most ancient understanding of the scriptures. Do you think Sam, in all his knowledge, doesn't know these facts? Let me ask you again, is Sam stupid, ignorant, or dishonest? I need you to understand that there is a difference between people who sincerely believe in the Trinity. I worship alongside Trinitarians all the time. They are beautiful Christians, God-fearing people with incredible devotion. I disagree with them, but I love them, and they are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I don't believe we are saved because we have accurate knowledge of metaphysics. You took this comment personally; it wasn't about you. I don't know you; you may be a great guy. I don't agree with J.W. on salvation teachings, which is much more important than the Trinity. The Trinity is never a matter of salvation; nowhere do we see that unless we believe that Jesus is God Almighty, we are not saved. These are empty arguments, and how is misrepresenting J.W. going to help them? It doesn't. It does the opposite. Most J.W. know Sam is lying; it reinforces their beliefs. They can be wrong, and they are on many doctrinal teachings. That doesn't mean they are wrong about everything. They are not. The Devil can't deceive people using only lies, my friend. Here are more translations that support J.W. rendering of John 1:1: An American Translation (Smith-Goodspeed): the Word was divine The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures: the Word was a god. The New Testament in Modern Speech (Richard Francis Weymouth): the word was "divine." The New Testament: A Translation (David Bentley Hart): the Logos was god. The New Testament: A Translation (Charles A. Anderson Hayes): the Word was divine. The problem is not the J.W. Trinitarian scholars have tampered with translations, confusing people. Your rendering of John 1:1 is grammatically impossible. If anything, you now know people have reasons. Are you going to be another Sam, or are you going to stand up for the truth? Like I said, I disagree with J.W. on many topics, but I don't need to mischaracterize them to prove my point. The truth needs no lies.
@@rogerlau4932 You don't know Sam the way I do. Sam has been debating J.W. for over 20 years. He knows he's lying and misrepresenting them, and you are now more misguided because you listen to him. I doubt this will make any difference to you or people following Sam, Trinitarian nut jobs in general. It doesn't matter for most people; they are going to believe not according to evidence but according to what they want to believe. Sam is a vessel for confirmation bias. Let's dive into that. I will break down a single point for you, and if you don't collapse completely, then I'll address all the other silly claims Sam made. How does that sound? Sam says that the N.W.T. suffers from lowercase god syndrome. Sam is completely mistaken; he suffers from a functional misunderstanding. J.W. are correct about John 1:1, which is no longer a debate. The debate ended over 100 years ago. It's funny how Sam, not being Catholic, doesn't accept the Catholic scholar's position, which has admitted the Jehovah's Witness translation of John 1:1 is correct. But he can't, huh? He's a tool. Here is a Catholic link that admits so: Catholic Nick.
John 10:36 Jesus replied you accuse me of blasphemy because i say i am the SON OF GOD So your John 10:33 interpratation is in error just like Pharisees who kept insisting Jesus was calling himself God, so do you people. John 1:18 ill let St Irenaeous refute you all on this one. Acts 20:28 Gods blood meaning His Sons blood. Think about the context of ones blood. Jesus had Davids blood but he did not have Korahs blood. Titus is speaking if 2 persons. Phillipians 2:9 Jehovahs name is higher than Jesus'. Does Jesus NOT have a Father he worships? He dies John 20:17. Colossians 1:15-17 again ill let St Irenaeous refute you all. For it Jehovah THROUGH His Word (Jesus) that created all things. To disregard Jehovahs part in this is disrespecring the very Father Jesus came to teach us about. Alpha/Omega with Jesus being the first created he would be Alpha and Omega of creation would he not? This does not prove Jesus is Jehovah. Question is when did Jehovah change His name to Jesus?
“ I am the LORD, and there is none else, *there is no God beside me* : I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:” Isaiah 45:5 “ See now that I, even I, am he, *and there is no god with me* I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.” Deut 32:39 “ Thus shall ye say unto them, *The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens* .” Jeremiah 10:11 Proof that Jesus is not “a god” because He has been with the Father for eternity and God says there is no little g God with Him. “ Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens *alone* ; that spreadeth abroad the earth *by myself* ” Isaiah 44:24 God says He created the universe on His own, by Himself and yet the Bible tells us Jesus is the Creator of all things. Proof that Jesus and the Father are co-eternal, co-existant, one and the same yet distinct 💛
John 10:30 of one mind The Bible often calls Jesus “the Son of God.” (John 1:49) The expression “Son of God” acknowledges that God is the Creator, or Source, of all life, including that of Jesus. Psalm 36:9; Revelation 4:11 God created Jesus before he created anything else. Regarding Jesus, the Bible says: “He is . . . the firstborn of all creation.”-Colossians 1:15. He is “the beginning of the creation by God.”-Revelation 3:14. Jesus fulfilled the prophecy about the one “whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago.”-Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:4-6.
@@faustinem9071 again in Isaiah, "I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to anyone else, nor share my praise with carved idols." and Yeshua shares glory with the Father...
Directly from the King James John 17:21: That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. So based on your assertion at John 10:30 "I and the father are one" Then when Jesus says in John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: Does that mean that we are Gods too? Rhetorically speaking, of course we are not Gods, Jesus is simply saying that being united in the faith, religious ambitions or cause. And too notice at the end of John 17:21. what Jesus says- "that the world may believe that thou hast sent me" Sounds like Jesus wants us to know that God sent him. ✍🙏
I want to let you know that this text Acts 20:28 can absolutely be understood in two different ways. One way is to view the last two words "his own" as referring to "His (God's) blood" and the other way is to view "his own" as an ellipsis referring to another person who is "his own." Which we know, of course, can be none other than His Son Jesus. This is the basis for the rendering "the blood of his [Son]." Many, many Trinitarian "scholars" admit this. Some like this detractor doesn’t want you to know the full truth. So he hides it. Anyway, I spoke with a professor at Pacific Rim Bible College in Hawaii named Gary Manning. He has a PHD in New Testament studies, and in Biblical languages and textual criticism. When discussing Acts 20:28 with him he wrote me this: “The passage in Acts is interesting, and can be read as "purchased with his own [God's] blood." But as you point out, another legitimate reading is "purchased with the blood of his own [son]," since the Greek word idios (= "his own") can function either as a noun or adjective. I tried to favor such a translation there.” Renowned Trinitarian Bruce Metzger well realized that this passage is best understood as a possessive genitive. The one whose blood purchased the congregation belonged to God. Bruce Metzger explains: "This absolute use of idios is found in Greek papyri as a term of endearment referring to near relatives. It is possible, therefore, that 'his Own' (o idios) was a title that early Christians gave to Jesus, comparable to 'the Beloved' (o agaphtos); compare Ro[mans] 8.32, where Paul refers to God 'who did not spare tou idiou uiou' in a context that clearly alludes to G[e]n[esis] 22.16, where the Septuagint has agaphtou uiou." Metzger, B. M. A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament. 2nd ed. (Stuttgart: United Bible Societies, 1971.), 426. That is why many respected Trinitarian Bible translations will fairly offer this legitimate alternative translation or rendering. For example, check out the footnote in the NIV Study Bible. "his own blood. Lit. 'the blood of his own one,' a term of endearment (such as 'his own dear one') referring to His own Son." This is actually more in harmony with the rest of the Bible which combines to say what 1 John 1:7 tells us, " the blood of Jesus His (God's) Son cleanse us from all sin." (NASB)
Well said, but there's one other important thing regarding the use of Greek that you left out. It is the phrase "the church of God" around which translation revolves. 1) "the church of God" is found in Greek manuscripts Sinaiticus (350 AD), Vaticanus (350 AD), Syriac manuscripts and other later Greek ones. 2) "the church of the Lord" is found in Greek manuscripts Alexandrinus (425 AD), Ephraemi (600s AD), Bezae (700 AD), p74 (800s AD) and other later ones. "the church of God, which he purchased with 'the blood of his own'." shows it's God's blood. "the church of the Lord, which he purchased with 'the blood of his own'." shows it s either God's or Jesus's blood. The older texts support "God's blood" as a viable translation, and I don't think the JWs try to use the later texts of "the Lord's blood" as supportive evidence. So they try to engineer an argument based on "possible" alternate understandings of "idiou" to leverage "the blood of his own Son" as the only legitimate translation option. Well done on your research. I just wanted to make others aware of the other textual variant of "the church of the Lord" that might come up in discussions.
@@rogerlau4932 Thanks for taking time to make those expressions. Yes it wouldn’t matter to us if it was Lord’s blood since Jesus is called Lord in scripture. And yet saying congregation of God doesn’t mean it’s God’s blood. That’s why my focus in my comment was “his own” which is “idios” used and implied in scripture. See the context. John 1:11, “His own [people]. John 13:1, “His own [disciples]. John 19:27, “His own [home]. 1 Timothy 5:8, “His own [family]. Acts 21:6, “His own” what? Families. Acts 24:23, “His own” what? Friends. Acts 4:23, “And being let go, they went to their own company, and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them.”-KJV His own” what? Company. Acts 28:20, “His own” what? None other than God’s beloved Son. Again, it was common in Koine Greek to use the word "own" in this respect and leave the reader to understand what is implied but not stated. The Implied Meaning is what the writer expects the reader to understand. We can see plainly that there is nothing unusual about first century Greek writers using the word idios ("own") without an accompanying noun and that an idea was simply implied and expected to be understood by the reader. In fact, we can see from the above evidences in Acts that Luke himself has a habit of writing this way. He does the very same thing four times in this same book of Acts. In each and every case, we are are left to infer what the word "own" intends to imply to us. Again, thanks for your comment.
@@rogerlau4932 : Jesus clearly tells us that God is a SPIRIT (John 4:24). That rules Jesus out from being God. A SPIRIT being has NO BLOOD. Logically, God was purchasing the Christian Congregation with the value of the shed blood of his SON. Ref Acts 20:28. 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God. Jesus is in charge of the Congregation of God. He being the HEAD. However, the Congregation belongs to God. Jesus' head. 1 Corinthians 1:2 to the CONGREGATION OF GOD that is in Corinth, to you who have been sanctified in union with Christ Jesus, called to be holy ones, together with all those everywhere who are calling on the name of OUR LORD Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:
Thats good you understand. Im talking about the millions of Catholic and Protestants that have never even heard or seen "Jehovah" in there Bibles. If a normal Bible reader read Psalm 110:1...how could they know who LORD is unless someone explained it? If you don't believe me...just go ask a random Christian what is Gods name. They'll probably say Jesus or, "i didnt know God had a name." Malachi 1:11 Proverbs 18:10 - If Gods name is so important, why remove it? It's funny how some say the NWT changed things. And yet, most bibles have the audacity to remove the most important name in the Bible...the author himself! But we are Jehovah's Witnesses - Isaiah 43:10 We bear witness to Him and who He is, as did our Lord Jesus, the faithful and true witness - Rev 3:14 God will not allow his name to be lost in time. For he has chosen a people to make him known! - Acts 15:14. Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! - 2 Cor 1:3 "For this reason I bend my knees to the Father, to whom every family in heaven and on earth owes its name!" - Eph 3:15 Amen!
Well said Aaron. By removing the divine Name Jehovah all it did was add more confusion to them and dishonors God. They pretend JW’s are just going about adding and removing words but the truth is guys like Sam never accurately reveal the full truth. They just want to try to put down and make them selves look wise and smart and “embarrass”. Oh my! Paul said we are nothing without love. But oh well, the Bible says it would be that way with ridiculers.
🤣🤣🤣 he had to change his argument! St Irenaeus got it. But since these men delight i attcking us, and in their true character of cavillers assail us with points which really tell not at all against us, bringing forward i opposition to us a multitude of parables and (captious) questions. I have thought it well, on the other side, first of all to put to them the following inquires concerning their own doctrines, to exhibit their improbability, and to put an end to their audacity. After this has been done, (I intend) to bring forward the discourses of the Lord, so that they may not only be rendered destitute of the means of attacking us, but that, aince they will be unable reasonably to reply to those questions which are put, they may see that their plan of argument is destroyed; so that, either returning to the truth, and humbling themselves, and ceasing from their multifarious phantasies, they may propitiate God for those blasphemies they uttered against Him, and obtain salvation; or that, if they srill persevere in that systrm of vainglory which has taken possession of their minds, THEY MAY AT LEAST FIND IT NECESSARY TO CHANGE THEIR ARGUMENT AGAINST US. Guess who's changing their argument.
John 5:31-39 31 "If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. 32 There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true. 33 You have sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth. 34 Yet I do not receive testimony from man, but I say these things that you may be saved. 35 He was the burning and shining lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light. 36 But I have a greater witness than John's; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish--the very works that I do--bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me. 37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. 38 But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. 39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
TRINITY ROOTS a short historical sampling. Babylon: TRINITY Nimrod, Tammuz and Samiramis BABYLON is the start of variuos Trinity worshiping. See> Genesis (10:8-12, 11:1-9) In Ancient Egypt: TRINITY The Egyptian trinity is a group of three deities that includes Asar, Aset, and Heru:. In India 🇮🇳: TRINITY It is often said that there is a trinity of Hindu gods: Brahma, the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer. But while Vishnu and Shiva have followers and temples all over India, Brahma is not worshiped as a major deity. In Ancient Rome: TRINITY The Capitoline Triad was a group of three deities who were worshipped in ancient Roman religion in an elaborate temple on Rome's Capitoline Hill (Latin Capitolium). It comprised Jupiter, Juno and Minerva. The triad held a central place in the public religion of Rome Greece: TRINITY The Olympian demiurgic triad in platonic philosophy was made up of Zeus (considered the Zeus [king of the gods] of the Heavens), Poseidon (Zeus of the seas) and Pluto/Hades (Zeus of the underworld The legend and trinity gods have always been false gods. At various times in the bible, the Baal gods were trinity gods. See Jeremiah 23: 26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies, even the prophets of the deceit of their own heart? 27 that think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbor, as their fathers forgat my name for Baal. Baal is also mentioned as Bel in older Hebrew text-Triune god concepts from demons. The demons in the spirit realm have a way of shaping this into certain societies and cultures. It's often re branded as you can see, because one culture will not accept another culture's version of the trinity. The modern day trinits iteration that exist in Christendom today is heavily influenced by greek mythology. And the modern day Trinity has its roots in Greek mythology. The Hellenistic period was coming to an end about 150 years or so after Christ death, later Satan ushered in slowly the version of trinity into the early church fathers of Christendom 325AD. formally ratified at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The Holy Spirit was included at the First Council of Constantinople (381 AD), where the relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one substance (ousia) and three co-equal persons (hypostaseis) was formally ratified. And later, one of 5 more of the State/Government approved doctrines of these church father meetings took place in Ephesus. I think were at about 7 hese ecumenical councils meetings but it taken place about four hundred years or so for the trinity doctrine to become state approved by the various roman emperors. In short, before I go into much more, the current version of the trinity that exist in Christendom is just a reformatted, re-branded or more sophisticated version of the Trinity, rebooted iteration with the Father- Son-Holy Spirit concept. Over time, it has become a snare, similar to purgatory teaching and other unbiblical teachings of demons, the trinity psychological effect has produced a mental and emotional indoctrination of traditional paganistic origins i to the spiritually adulterous religions of Christendom today; Which in essence is a poorly replicated, mimic version of Christianity by Satan the Devil; Common aphorism has taken whole of identifying it as BABYLONTHEGREAT> Revelation 17-18. Many of the so-called theologians or religious leaders of groups, small and large rarely touch on the topic because it's spiritual conscience and its teachings are not centered around the truth but adhering to limited text shaped around isolated dogma to prove some bizarre Trinity belief. The woman in the book of Revelation is a spiritual harlot. This religionist culture still exists today in Christendom. See Roman 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you, even as it is written. Okay guys hope that's helpful🫡
John 8:58 - Although Jesus has not always existed like the Father, he was the firstborn of all creation and did exist before Abraham and really all creatures. God the Father used Jesus to create all things (Proverbs 8:22; Colossians 1:15,16) Therefore this statement is true. John 17:5 - Before coming to earth as a lowly human, Jesus had the glory of which belongs to an “only begotten Son.” - John 1:14 Jesus was a powerful spirit being, Gods Son, 2nd and subject only to the only true God, the Father. “I am the First and the Last” - While it’s true both the Father and Son (Jehovah and Jesus) have this title…the Bible makes it clear they have it for different reasons: Isaiah 44:6 - Jehovah, the Father, is the First and Last ‘God’. Hence the end of the verse, “there is no god but me.” The Israelites had no idea who the “Son” was when Isaiah wrote these words so to them it would have no other meaning than this. Revelation 1:17 & Revelation 2:8 - Notice in both these verses, Jesus is called “The First and Last” in reference to his ‘Resurrection’ from the dead. Jesus is the First and Last man to be resurrection by God the Father’s own hand. All others will now be resurrected by the Son - John 6:40; John 6:44; John 14:6 Jesus is now the “mediator” to God and to Life. He is truly the resurrection & the life. No man can be a child of the Father except “through” Jesus. In summary, Jesus is not God. Rather, Jesus the “mediator” to God, his Father and ours. - 1 Corinthians 8:6 Praise be Jehovah the only true God-our Father! And praised be his Christ-our Lord and king Jesus! May you find truth brother.
No Jesus is not LORD. See Psalm 110:1. Who is the first LORD? That would he Jehovah his God ADONAI. Jehovah command his Son, adoni, Jesus to sit at his right hand. Jehovah is the Sovereign LORD and Jesus is the messianic adoni, Lord. Not the same thing. Big difference.
TRINITY ROOTS a short historical sampling. Babylon: TRINITY Nimrod, Tammuz and Samiramis BABYLON is the start of variuos Trinity worshiping. See> Genesis (10:8-12, 11:1-9) In Ancient Egypt: TRINITY The Egyptian trinity is a group of three deities that includes Asar, Aset, and Heru:. In India 🇮🇳: TRINITY It is often said that there is a trinity of Hindu gods: Brahma, the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer. But while Vishnu and Shiva have followers and temples all over India, Brahma is not worshiped as a major deity. In Ancient Rome: TRINITY The Capitoline Triad was a group of three deities who were worshipped in ancient Roman religion in an elaborate temple on Rome's Capitoline Hill (Latin Capitolium). It comprised Jupiter, Juno and Minerva. The triad held a central place in the public religion of Rome Greece: TRINITY The Olympian demiurgic triad in platonic philosophy was made up of Zeus (considered the Zeus [king of the gods] of the Heavens), Poseidon (Zeus of the seas) and Pluto/Hades (Zeus of the underworld The legend and trinity gods have always been false gods. At various times in the bible, the Baal gods were trinity gods. See Jeremiah 23: 26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies, even the prophets of the deceit of their own heart? 27 that think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbor, as their fathers forgat my name for Baal. Baal is also mentioned as Bel in older Hebrew text-Triune god concepts from demons. The demons in the spirit realm have a way of shaping this into certain societies and cultures. It's often re branded as you can see, because one culture will not accept another culture's version of the trinity. The modern day trinits iteration that exist in Christendom today is heavily influenced by greek mythology. And the modern day Trinity has its roots in Greek mythology. The Hellenistic period was coming to an end about 150 years or so after Christ death, later Satan ushered in slowly the version of trinity into the early church fathers of Christendom 325AD. formally ratified at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The Holy Spirit was included at the First Council of Constantinople (381 AD), where the relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one substance (ousia) and three co-equal persons (hypostaseis) was formally ratified. And later, one of 5 more of the State/Government approved doctrines of these church father meetings took place in Ephesus. I think were at about 7 hese ecumenical councils meetings but it taken place about four hundred years or so for the trinity doctrine to become state approved by the various roman emperors. In short, before I go into much more, the current version of the trinity that exist in Christendom is just a reformatted, re-branded or more sophisticated version of the Trinity, rebooted iteration with the Father- Son-Holy Spirit concept. Over time, it has become a snare, similar to purgatory teaching and other unbiblical teachings of demons, the trinity psychological effect has produced a mental and emotional indoctrination of traditional paganistic origins i to the spiritually adulterous religions of Christendom today; Which in essence is a poorly replicated, mimic version of Christianity by Satan the Devil; Common aphorism has taken whole of identifying it as BABYLONTHEGREAT> Revelation 17-18. Many of the so-called theologians or religious leaders of groups, small and large rarely touch on the topic because it's spiritual conscience and its teachings are not centered around the truth but adhering to limited text shaped around isolated dogma to prove some bizarre Trinity belief. The woman in the book of Revelation is a spiritual harlot. This religionist culture still exists today in Christendom. See Roman 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you, even as it is written. Okay guys hope that's helpful🫡
One question : at 18:50 why would a quote from Revelation show any muslim that Jesus is God, they will just say it's corrupted... or something I believe in, not them.. anyone to help me? Muslims don't believe in Revelation? How would I use that against them then.
UNDIGNIFIED COMMENTARY The guy mentions Jehovah. Hey that's a good thing and then recognizes Jesus as someone else, the Son of God, so just by default, Jehovah's witnesses fall into the proper space within that trinity doctrine. Though they don't believe in the satanic doctrine of the trinity, by default, they worship this father figure- Jehovah that he's talking about. So what is wrong with them worshipping the father figure?
They deny Christ's divinity which is made clear in scripture. Denying Christ's divinity is asinine and can only be justified using an erroneous translation like the NWT which Sam obliterated in this video. Jesus was worshipped as well. Read Hebrews thoroughly.
@@TruLuan : Any scripture which clearly states that Jesus is God? Here is a clear one that states that Jesus is NOT God. 'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12. Jesus was SEEN by John the writer and countless others. Well? Work out the prognosis.
@@jimjuri6490 There are plenty. Read Revelation 1 where Jesus' calls himself the Alpha and the Omega. The NWT adds "says Jehovah" even though the context is clear that it is Jesus speaking.
Jesus also never said "I'm the messiah", he also never said "I'm the saviour" but people recognized him as that. Moreover Jesus never said "I'm not God, don't worship me"
Well that's the problem with the newer scriptures the modern scriptures used which pervert the word of God, the King James does not say in verse 33 chapter 10 of John, for you although being a man make yourself a God, that is not what the King James says, the King James 1611 says the Jews answered him, saying, for a good work we stone the not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou, being a man, make us thyself God, it doesn't say a God
If you come before GOD humbly and confess your sins and forgive those who are in debt to you then GOD too says that He is faithful and just to forgive your debts and sins and evils. If you come to Him, even if you have done wrong for months or years, just come to Him . Learn the teachings of the one true Orthodox Church to understand the scriptures. ☦
@BrayleyBuck how's that working out with your schismatic 25,000+ denominations all appearing to "what the bible says" yet have contradicting doctrine of the priesthood, eucharist, baptism, and essentially every single doctrine?
@@TheCathodox You mean Protestantism, I agree with you completely those protestant schism and denominations are heretical they are false teachings, this part you might disagree but there is only one true Church and that's the historical Church of the Apostles, the One true Orthodox Church. False Teachers whether their intentions are good or bad they can deceive many ☦
Orthodox Church is in Revelation 17:1-5 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore ➡{Catholicism & Orthodox Churches and all similar type branches) that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings (Imperialism, Colonialism, Anglo-Saxon/American, Crusades) of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. This European part of Christendom has killed countless numbers of their own ethnic brethren from the time it had start taking shape in 325 2 John 7 For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the Antichrist.
For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
"make yourself God" that is because Jesus said He forgives sin. Only God can forgive sin and by saying that He is assuming the position of God... if Jesus if not God how does He do that? because God's arm of His holy spirit reached into His clean vessel here on this earth we call Jesus and operated as if it was God in first person. God is God and Jesus has a God and cant be God. Jesus is a vessel like the rest of us are or He would be able to satisfy the debt. there are not multiple parts to God. God is one in all not 3 in one. Yall cant understand God and this is why you must break Him in to manageable understandable parts so your baby lips can chew on it to understand it.
Even Chatgbt knows the Trinity is false: You But this would mean the Jews didn't believe God was a trinity of Father Son and Holy Spirit? ChatGPT That's correct. The concept of the Trinity, which defines God as three persons-Father, Son, and Holy Spirit-in one essence, is a distinctive feature of Christian theology that developed over time, particularly in the early centuries of the Christian Church. This doctrine was formulated to articulate the relationship between God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as understood by Christians. In contrast, traditional Jewish belief, rooted in monotheism, maintains a strict understanding of God as a singular entity. The concept of God as a Trinity is not present in Jewish theology, including during the time of Jesus. For Jews, God is indivisible and without partners or associates. So, when Jesus' Jewish disciples recognized him as the Messiah, their understanding of him as divine likely did not extend to the idea of a triune God. Their beliefs about Jesus' identity would have been shaped by their Jewish monotheistic framework and their understanding of him as the promised Messiah, rather than as a divine person within a Trinity. It was in the subsequent development of Christian theology that the concept of the Trinity emerged and was formally articulated. But wasn't Jesus a practicing Jew while on earth? Yes or no? ChatGPT Yes. So he would have believed in the same monotheistic view of God like all Jews? ChatGPT Yes, Jesus, as a practicing Jew, would have adhered to the monotheistic view of God that is central to Judaism. This view asserts the belief in one indivisible God, without partners or associates.
Unfortunately that is false brother. Have you studied Jewish history? Jews never believed in a trinity. That would have been heresy. Deuteronomy 32:39 - Nor did they believe God was 3 persons. For Jehovah says no “gods are WITH me.” The Jewish Shema is clear. Pre Babylon and After, Jehovah, YHWH, has always been and will always be ONE. 1 Cor 8:6 - Praise be the Only True God- The Father! And praised be his Christ! His Som Jesus. Our Lord and king. Amen.
@@Aaron-gf7mo I have a bachelor in theology (and is working om a cand.). Yes, I know Jewish history - and even a bit of biblical Hebrew. The Judaism we know today is rabbinic Judaism - which started to become dominant and become 'mainline Judaism' after the destruction of the temple in 70. You are correct, though, that Jews never believed in a trinity. They did, though, before 70 AD have some rather complicated ideas about God that can still be seen throughout the Torah (I can provide examples if needed). For example, in the Torah the word of God and the angel of God (the angel that leads the Hebrews out of Egypt) often acts like independent agents and is worshipped. It's though these ideas that the Christian idea of the trinity envelops. John 1:1 comes to mind in which the word of God is identified as (1) Jesus, (2) a independent agent that is uncreated and separated from God and (3) is God itself.
My friend, the concept of God being One was not complicated for the Jews to understand. They understood it completely. It’s this trinitarian dogma that has caused controversy because, as even the Catholic encyclopedia says, “It’s a mystery that NO ONE can understand.” CCC 237: “The Trinity is a mystery of faith in the strict sense, one of the ‘mysteries’ that are hidden in Gid, which can NEVER BE KNOWN unless they are revealed by God.” Even the Catholic Church doesn’t understand this man made mystery. The point is, the Jew pre and post exile did not believe in a triune God. That can not even be debated. And what is more, Christians themselves didn’t believe in a trinity in the 1st Century. Know how we know? Because it wasn’t doctrine until 325! Not even an idea until or concept until Tertúlian introduced it in the 2nd century. God is one. Jesus Christ is one. They are not the same. Bible is clear.
@@ChristOverAllJeremy like dude why did you like your own comment? are you a narcissistic sociopath who likes to think himself as fictional character sherlock holmes, like your fictional trinity? lmao
@@ChristOverAllJeremy you liked it again, lol, what a narcissistic vivid imagination you guys have for those mysterious filthy man-made doctrines, tales that bible tales that no two version agree with each other.. and what the heck is a pdf file? the narcissist on this channel, lmao
Your comment (at about 12:00 in) about you being smarter than David Wood -a fellow Christian apologist-is disrespectful and inappropriate. It seems you're trying to make him appear dumber, and yourself look smarter, and win over to your side an audience who is unfamiliar with the particulars of your disagreement. This feels unloving, slanderous and manipulative, and it's revealing something of your character to others, and blemishing your reputation as an effective apologist. You're brothers-get it reconciled.
You don't know Sam the way I do. Sam has been debating J.W. for over 20 years. He knows he's lying and misrepresenting them, and you are now more misguided because you listen to him. I doubt this will make any difference to you or people following Sam, Trinitarian nut jobs in general. It doesn't matter for most people; they are going to believe not according to evidence but according to what they want to believe. Sam is a vessel for confirmation bias. Let's dive into that. I will break down a single point for you, and if you don't collapse completely, then I'll address all the other silly claims Sam made. How does that sound? Sam says that the N.W.T. suffers from lowercase god syndrome. Sam is completely mistaken; he suffers from a functional misunderstanding. J.W. are correct about John 1:1, which is no longer a debate. The debate ended over 100 years ago. It's funny how Sam, not being Catholic, doesn't accept the Catholic scholar's position, which has admitted the Jehovah's Witness translation of John 1:1 is correct. But he can't, huh? He's a tool. Here is a Catholic link that admits so: Catholic Nick. Then you have the early Church Fathers' views of Christ that support the J.W. rendering: Justin Martyr (c. 100 - c. 165 AD): Justin Martyr was an early Christian apologist and philosopher. In his works, especially in his "First Apology" and "Dialogue with Trypho," Justin interprets the Logos (Word) as a divine being distinct from God the Father but closely associated with Him. He refers to the Logos as the "first-begotten" of God and as a divine intermediary between God and humanity. Clement of Alexandria (c. 150 - c. 215 AD): Clement of Alexandria was a Christian theologian who emphasized the role of the Logos in the universe and in human salvation. He viewed the Logos as the divine principle of reason and wisdom through which God created and sustains the world. Clement's writings suggest that he saw the Logos as a divine being, distinct from but closely related to God. Origen (c. 184 - c. 253 AD): Origen was a highly influential Christian theologian and scholar. He interpreted John 1:1 in his works, such as "De Principiis" and his commentaries on the Gospel of John, as indicating the pre-existence and divinity of the Logos. Origen believed that the Logos was a divine being, begotten by God the Father before all creation and that the Logos played a central role in God's plan for salvation. In his commentary on John 1:1, Origen emphasizes the pre-existence and divine status of the Word, suggesting a qualitative understanding of the verse, as Jehovah's Witnesses do. It's worth knowing that the translation that renders the sons of God as gods or that supports Sons of God theology is not unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. That's what the Jews believed (Psalms 8:5, Psalms 82:6, 1 Corinthians 8:5, 2 Corinthians 4:4). All the sons of God are gods, whether they are good or bad; they existed in the same form as the Father. Trinitarians changed the meaning of nature or essence to mean Trinity. That's not how these words were used or understood by the writers of the scriptures. You and I share the same nature; we're both humans, but not the same being, aren't we? Humans make humans; the sons of God are gods, and God is described as spirit (John 4:24). God's sons are described in the same way; He makes them spirit (Psalm 104:4). You can disagree all you want, but Jehovah's Witnesses base their beliefs on the most ancient understanding of the scriptures. Do you think Sam, in all his knowledge, doesn't know these facts? Let me ask you again, is Sam stupid, ignorant, or dishonest? I need you to understand that there is a difference between people who sincerely believe in the Trinity. I worship alongside Trinitarians all the time. They are beautiful Christians, God-fearing people with incredible devotion. I disagree with them, but I love them, and they are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I don't believe we are saved because we have accurate knowledge of metaphysics. You took this comment personally; it wasn't about you. I don't know you; you may be a great guy. I don't agree with J.W. on salvation teachings, which is much more important than the Trinity. The Trinity is never a matter of salvation; nowhere do we see that unless we believe that Jesus is God Almighty, we are not saved. These are empty arguments, and how is misrepresenting J.W. going to help them? It doesn't. It does the opposite. Most J.W. know Sam is lying; it reinforces their beliefs. They can be wrong, and they are on many doctrinal teachings. That doesn't mean they are wrong about everything. They are not. The Devil can't deceive people using only lies, my friend. Here are more translations that support J.W. rendering of John 1:1: An American Translation (Smith-Goodspeed): the Word was divine The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures: the Word was a god. The New Testament in Modern Speech (Richard Francis Weymouth): the word was "divine." The New Testament: A Translation (David Bentley Hart): the Logos was god. The New Testament: A Translation (Charles A. Anderson Hayes): the Word was divine. The problem is not the J.W. Trinitarian scholars have tampered with translations, confusing people. Your rendering of John 1:1 is grammatically impossible. If anything, you now know people have reasons. Are you going to be another Sam, or are you going to stand up for the truth? Like I said, I disagree with J.W. on many topics, but I don't need to mischaracterize them to prove my point. The truth needs no lies.
It's true Jehovah's Witnesses have inserted words in English that are not in Greek text. This is normal to ensure the meaning comes out in English. Even in King James Version, words not in Greek are put in italics. No one complains! If Jehovah's Witnesses do the same , there are sparks all over! What's good for the goose is good for the gander!
no so. it depends WHAT words are used and do they contradict the original Greek meaning as regards the passage in question, and with JW doctrine THEY DO do you know any foreign languages even if only to high school level? do you know how language idioms work and how they ALMOST NEVER translate word for word rom one language to another
Bro I’ve been left the religion because of this. They purposely took away and added words to discredit the deity of Christ AND The Holy Spirit. Do you even know who wrote the JW Bible. U can figure it out. Also look at the history and the false prophecies of the religion. 1914,1915,1925,1970. The people are great people but they don’t worship Jehovah, they worship the governing body. Who has blood on there hands. They give us “spiritual food at the right time” yet they called organ transplants “cannibalism” then flipped on it and said it was okay. Seems small but that probably killed a lot of people. Yet some how they have authority from God and Gods only channel but yet they are not profits or filled with the spirt when they make decisions. Also no proof that they are the only channel of God. So many issues and things that end up not making sense in this religion. With one google search yet they won’t because any negative news about the religion is “apostate” sorry about the rant just hope more people wake up because JW’s are some of the most kind people I have ever met and don’t deserve any of it.
Why don't you mention the many errors, additions, and textual changes that were made to the KJV? The translators even added the word "hell' which appears nowhere in any early scrolls and is an erroneous translation of the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades, BOTH of which mean the "grave", burial place of the dead, with NO flames and no living beings. The NWT corrected those errors, that's why changes were made, to restore the original meanings the writers intended. Shamoun is a buffoon, he has no credible argument to make.
The nature of Jehovah and the nature of Jesus, say he's the Messiah John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall👉worship the Father in spirit and in👉truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a👉 Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah👈 cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26 👉Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. John 14:28 Mark 10:36 And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you? 37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory. 38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? 39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized: 40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.✍🙏
In the prophecy at Isaiah 9:6 concerning the Messiah, the title “Mighty God” is applied to the promised Prince of Peace. This expression, however, translates the Hebrew ʼEl Gib·bohrʹ, not ʼEl Shad·daiʹ, which refers ONLY to Almighty God, Jehovah. Jesus is called a mighty god which means a "powerful one" and judges, kings, and even Satan are called "gods" so that proves Jesus is NOT Almighty God.
A good prophecy to show that Jesus was never God. SHALL CALL HIM is about a future event. Jesus being a PRINCE rules him out of being God who is the King.
Na, not the same time. I wonder if he was called 'Michael' at the very beginning. Definitely not 'Michael the archangel' because they both worked together to create "all things", so in the beginning there was no angels to be chief of, therefore no "arch"... that came after their creation. Satan would have been under Michael's authority after his creation as a perfect angel. He became 'Satan" when he decided to become an egg. What a legend Michael/Jesus is for holding back and leaving it to Jehovah to sort out at jude9 ay?
FYI - do a bit of research instead of watching movies - there is no such name as 'lucifer' - the term comes from the Latin verb, meaning 'light bearer' and has been misrepresented by ignorant people who don't understand the bible verses in context that refer to the 'bright morning star' - associated with Jesus (not Satan) - the brief verses concerning the fall of the king of Babylon has nothing to do with Satan's fall from his position as a perfect angel that chose to rebel against God's authority. The bible is clear - Jesus was created in the spirit realm as the first of God's creative acts - before the material Universe - Jesus had a pre-human existence in heaven alongside his Father - the only-begotten spirit Son of God, through whom all other things were created, whether in heaven or on earth. Read Proverbs 8:22-31 Names have meanings - especially in bible times - God's unique name derived from the Hebrew Tetragrammaton YHWH - Yahweh (Jehovah) means 'to cause to become' - a derivative of the Hebrew verb - an appropriate name for the Creator who gives purpose to his creation. The name Michael means 'who is like God' - an appropriate name for Jesus in the heavenly realm who became co-creator of each individual angel, himself being a mighty angelic being - a direct creation of his Father, Jehovah. Hence, in heaven Jesus is also known as Michael the Archangel having charge over all the myriads of other angels that he helped bring into existence under the direction of his Father. Yet, according to Proverbs 8:31, Jesus is especially 'fond of the sons of men' for whom he gave his life as a ransom to redeem humans from sin and death.
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragons and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, wo deceives the whe world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out eith him." Rev.12:7-9 Jesus was an eye witness to this... Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name!" And He said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." Lk10:17,18 Satan was cast out when Jesus sent out His followers with the power and authority of His name. Jesus on earth. Michael in heaven. Now what.? 😮
I'm sorry but what does any of this mean? Rather, what are you trying to say here? I don't see this disproving nor do I see it confirming a Jehovah's witness stance. Can you please expand on this?
@@Wolfspyder5 Watchtower teaches Michael and Jesus the same person, that Michael didn't exist while Jesus was in the flesh. These verses show that is not the case. One of MANY.
@@LIQUIDITY_TRADERZ Satan was cast out when Jesus sent out His followers with the power and authority of His name. Jesus was an eye witness to the event and reported it to His followers. "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." The Revelation tells us that when this happened there was no place found for them any longer in heaven. How many times was Satan cast out..?
It's hard for me to even consider taking in info from anyone who will call anyone who disagrees with them sons of the devil. Don't even bring up the oh god said that, Jesus said that, they have the ability to read hearts and know the true intentions of people. You do not and you lack all ability to treat someone with respect wether they are just lost or downright corrupt.
If you’re not with Jesus then you are with the devil. If Jesus is Jehovah and they say he’s not, then they are sons of the devil. It’s not hard or mean, it’s true. Jesus was just like that to His own People.
I disagree. I think the only way to win them over is to go to all the passages you say to avoid. If our attempts to change there views we cannot step away from the hard parts, I feel that it would be building on a uneven foundation. I would love your mind to come up with a plan using all the hardest parts to debate. That way converts can be sure...because at there meetings they point out those hard topics and cling to them as if its our defeat. I mean no ill will and appreciate this man's dedication. God bless him.
Why would anyone want to win JWs over? Over to what? The beliefs they had before the truth set them free? Why did truth seekers leave the babel of churches in the first place? John 8:32. Logically there can only be ONE TRUTH. All these videos prove JWs to be Jesus' only disciples today. Matthew 24:9.
I really love how Sam is trying to prove something by simply not quoting passages based on a Upper or Lower case letter. Here is something to think about. In Hebrew there are no Upper case letters. Chew on that. Also there is no Hebrew New Testament and never was one that can prove any christian claims that the Jews wrote the NT, it was all written in Greek by people who didn't even know who gave the Torah to the Jews.
lol you think Sam doesn’t know that? He says don’t go to these passages unless you have a lengthy conversation with a JW on the Hebrew or Greek. Even so, they won’t listen to what you say!
I like your videos a lot but I was surprised to hear in one video you made that you were catholic. But I don’t know if you mean Roman Catholic or universal church catholic
Greek roots in the churches of Christendom. How their version of their Trinity got its roots. The Classical Greek Olympic triad of Zeus (king of the gods), Athena (goddess of war and intellect) and Apollo (god of the sun, culture and music) The Delian chief triad of Leto (mother), Artemis (daughter) and Apollo (son) and second Delian triad of Athena, Zeus and Hera. The apostle Paul made mention of them in the book of Acts 17: He had such individuals approaching him from the Epicureans, The Greek stoic philosophers and the modern day. Christendom churches evolved out of that, Greek and Roman Hellenistic culture. And that's how you see the Trinity. Has taken shape today. The other triune gods were destroyed by God's people leading up to Jesus descension to earth. The ancient Baal gods in the Bible text were often triune gods made with human hands or their imagination. Eventually, they were all destroyed in the Hebrew era or writings of the Bible and its history and the modern day version of this Titanic demonic teaching. Is the current brand filtered through the churches of Christendom this Trinity doctrine Evolved out of Babylon as well. The Egyptians had their version of it and then crept into the European culture. And their brand of christianity now features the last part of the trinity described in the Bible, for all its network of churches as Babylon the Great.
@@dyljenings Not even one word of this is historically valid. There isn’t a shred of evidence that any pagan or Egyptian mythology played a role in the New Testament’s teaching of the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit. It all comes from the Old Testament teachings depicting God both as the Heavenly Father and as a personal God who walked with Adam and ate with Abraham, and as the angel of his presence appearing from the burning bush to Moses and mentioned in Genesis, Exodus, Isaiah, etc. Prophesied in Daniel to receive the everlasting kingdom and by Zechariah to be pierced and mourned. These are the things, among many others, the New Testament explicitly cite.
@DefinedFaith In ancient Egypt-or Kemet, as it was known to its people at the time-one key concept was the relationship among three deities, Asar, Aset, and Heru It is often said that there is a trinity of Hindu gods: Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer. The Classical Greek Olympic triad of Zeus (king of the gods), Athena (goddess of war and intellect) and Apollo (god of the sun, culture and music) The Capitoline Triad was a group of three deities who were worshipped in ancient Roman religion in an elaborate temple on Rome's Capitoline Hill (Latin Capitolium). It comprised Jupiter, Juno and Minerva. The triad held a central place in the public religion of Rome. So under the various Roman emperor's, it coupled itself with the priest eventually evolved into Roman Catholic church later on the Eastern orthodox church and the rest of it's Titanic Vine. This is the modern form of of false christianity an other words christendom. Some of these triumph god simples and idolatry were the things that were destroyed in a testament they were called BAAL. And you don't need a Jehovah's witness to tell you that you can look in your Bible and secular history. 🫡
Trinitarians do not believe that only the Father is God. Trinitarian theology affirms that the Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit are all fully and equally God. The Trinity therefore must be false. That simple. Nothing left to discuss. If you don’t believe only the Father is the true God…then you are not in line with Bible truth. John 17:3 - Jesus acknowledges the Father as the “only true God” John 4:24 - Jesus says we worship only the Father as the true God. Revelation 3:12 - In heaven, Jesus acknowledges the Father as “his God.” I pray all trinitarians break free from this 3 head God. lies that have been created by men. Influenced by the devil so that the truth may not shine through and they turn to the Father. Amen
@@ΓραικοςΕλληνας Nothing I said was false. However, even as what you say is true….you don’t believe only the Father is the true God….however Jesus did. That’s all. Nothing more nothing less. The truth is though, any trinitarian who says they really understand the Trinity is either lying or misguided according to their own church: For I quote: “The Trinity is a mystery of faith in the strict sense, one of the 'mysteries that are hidden in God, which can never be known unless they are revealed by God.' - CCC 237 I would say educate yourself, but no matter how much education you have on the Trinity, you’ll never truly understand it. I pray for you my friend. John 4:23,24 - As Jesus said, now is the time that true Christians are worshipping the FATHER in spirit and truth. Praised be Jehovah God and his Christ, His Son, Jesus. Amen.
@@Aaron-gf7mo in the greek john 4:23,24 is the Three persons of the Trinity Jesus Christ says αλλ ' έρχεται ώρα και νυν εστιν ΟΤΕ οι αληθινοί προσκυνηται προσκυνησουσιν ... That show that now we must worship God as πατήρ _ Father , πνεύματι _ means the Holy Spirit ,and αληθεια _ truth ,that is actually how Jesus Christ call himself in john 14:6 αλήθεια there same word
@@Aaron-gf7mo i read only the original language text of the NT understand it easy we use it in church 2000 years now in all our says hymns prays readings.
I have a doubt, could someone help me? In the Bible, not in every time the word "things" is said, that word means "creation" or "created one". Look at 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 (NKJV): "For 'He has put all things under His feet.' But when He says 'all things are put under Him,' it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all." That means that in another parts of the Bible, like 1 Colossians 1:15-17, could God be consider himself a "thing", not in the sense of being "created" but in the sense of being a "being", the Creator "being" or "thing"? (Sorry if I wasn't clear enough...)
It means what it says bro. Jesus is the Son of God. He is subject to his father. He's begotten. All you have to do is listen to Jesus and not waste your time with the Trinity stuff. Its pointless. Listen to Jesus, he will tell you God is. Jehovah is the only true God, John 17:3 and He loved the world so much that he didn't give any angelic creature, He gave his first creation. The father loves us and its simple right in that celebrated scripture John 3:16
No Jesus and God are outside the creation. when you read “things” God is never in that he is always above it…always out of that because he is the one who create the things
It seems clear, the structure of that setting of the scriptures indicate that Jesus, the Son go God, Jehovah the Almighty God, the yes, Jesus will be "subject" to God. We all are. How about figuring out the deep and rich life saving narrative in this passage and how God"s wisdom has been utilized for us the read in the coming of His Holy angel from the Heavens, that being Michael. (Miʹcha·el) [Who Is Like God] Hebrew/Old Testament of Jesus before descending to earth. Exodus 23:20-21 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. Hebrews 12:25 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo,➡ Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days. Daniel 10:20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. 21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but➡Michael your prince. Archangel Meaning “chief of the angels.” The prefix “arch”an “chief” or “principal.” This definition, coupled with the fact that “archangel” in the Bible is used only in the singular, indicates that there is just one archangel. The Bible gives the name of the archangel, identifying him as Michael.-Da 12:1; Jude 9; Re 12:7 Michael the Great Prince’-Who Is He?
Show them how they get their bible translation from a spirit medium Johannes greber it’s in their own watchtower literature and when you look into who greber is and how the bible tells us that spiritism and talking to spirits is not from God you have to use their own literature and show them in their bible that Jesus is Devine It can be done but when they see the proof they run back to their leaders and not to Jesus
@@crazyhope9516 The bible clearly teaches it ; so you’re not disagreeing with me but you’re disagreeing with God of the bible who is Jesus Christ my Saviour ❤️🙏🏻
Wouldn't accept anything from low-hanging fruit Christianity. Get out there like Jesus told you too and preach the good news.And get off your butt or your couch.Wherever you are and go do your thing and show those Jehovah's witnesses.How to do it.
What can a tract put out by a church tell JWs what they wouldn't already know? Many of them were former church members. Ever read of Christians going around trying to convince people that Jesus was God? All Christians on record in the Bible as are JWs today, preach about God's Kingdom. Jesus' instructions: Matthew 10:7 As you go, preach, saying: ‘The Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.’
I don't think any of the churches of Christendom have any "real" tracts, but rather hate material. Most of Christendom focus on teaching their members false concepts and hoarding them into thier religious facilities to fill the pockets of its church leaders. Tithing is one example. Tithing was ephemeral under the Levitical priesthood. Free christian origins and is not a requirement of christians at least true christians. The members from what I understand do not explain the reasoning from the scriptures as to this requirements of its members. I suppose oftentimes these religious leaders are filling their pockets handsomely history and upholding lavish lifestyles. All of this is unscriptural and is not a model of true christians of jesus day and shortly after. And of course, there's central doctrine of the Trinity for most of these churches and how ridiculous and awful that whole thought is. No spirituality and no salvation can come through that diabolic teaching. 1 TIMOTHY 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Jesus the Word of God the Lamb is the First born of all creation, its very clear. And everything was created through him by Jehovah God the Father the most High Psalm 83 18. Luke 4 8. Jehovah is Jesus, Jesus Yeshua is not Jehovah. Know the difference.
1 John 4:12 & 1 John 4:14 John makes it clear that no one has ever seen or met GOD. Jesus is the only mediator between God and man. The only way to understand GOD is by accepting Jesus and putting faith in him. This proves Jesus and God are not the same person, nor do they have the same rank or position. God is far to great to come down to earth and sacrifice himself. He sent the next best thing, His son Jesus Christ. Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. To Him all families in heaven and earth owe there name - Eph 3:14,15 Amen!
@@Zoozeeman At the time of when Paul wrote to Timothy Jesus was in heaven and no man has seen Jesus in this unapproachable light. Since his ascension to the invisible heavens, no man on earth “can see” him with literal eyes. People did see Jesus on earth but they can’t see his God and Father.
Great point. It doesn't matter what bible is used, Jehovah alone is most high over all the earth (ps83:18) And no matter what bible is used, Jesus is always next to the most high, Jehovah. (Heb1:3) And no matter what bible is used Jesus is forever subject to the most high God, Jehovah. (1cor15:24-28)
JW Bible Translation: *Jesus Christ is the Lord Jehovah God Almighty* Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, Revelation 1:18 and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave. Revelation 22:12 “‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to repay each one according to his work. Revelation 22:13 I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. Revelation 22:16 “‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.’”
That is as worse twisting of scripture as there can be. Sorry! Revelation 1:1 tells us that Jesus was GIVEN the Revelation BY God. How could Jesus suddenly usurp God and become God while God was GIVING him the Revelation? Only God knows the future. Jesus didn't. Thus the chain. God gives Jesus. Jesus gives the angel. The angel gives John. If Jesus is God then wouldn't the angel and John be God too?
@@teodorotedy : I showed how improbable to think that any verse could change Jesus into what he was at verse 1 of Revelation. (Revelation 1:8) “I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.” Jesus has never been called the Almighty.
@@tongakhan230 bro!! Can you read?? Jesus Christ literally says He is the Alpha and Omega, the First and Last, the beginning and the end. How blind are you that you can’t see that Jesus Christ is the Lord Jehovah God Almighty !!!??? As it literally says quoted God show the revelation to Jesus Christ, yes that’s true. And that didn’t change the fact that Jesus Christ says He is the First and Last. Only God is the First and Last, unless you believe in multiple gods and creators of heavens and earth, and firsts and lasts… lol
The one logic is that they believe it was Michael the Angel who died on the cross. The thing is God suppose to be so great that he send an angel to die for your sins. so what does that make Micheal just as equal to God since it is sin that separates us from God. So they are saying an angel blood is what brought the human race into relationship with God again 🤔. What a foolishness it is when thinking about it.
MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL MICHAEL, meaning (Miʹcha·el) [Who Is Like God]. "like" God, sound like Jesus? Yes! ARCHANGEL➡Meaning “chief of the angels.” The prefix “arch” means “chief” or “principal.” This definition, coupled with the fact that “archangel” in the Bible is used only in the singular, indicates that there is just one archangel. The Bible gives the name of the archangel, identifying him as Michael.-Da 12:1; Jude 9; Re 12:7 Our Lord and Savor Jesus is called by many names. See Isa. 9:6 Who Is the Archangel Michael? The Bible’s answer Michael, referred to by some religions as “Saint Michael,” is evidently a name given to Jesus before and after his life on earth. And Michael disputed with Satan after the death of Moses and helped an angel deliver God’s message to the prophet Daniel. (Daniel 10:13, 21; Jude 9) Michael lives up to the meaning of his name-“Who Is Like God?”-by defending God’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies.-Daniel 12:1; Revelation 12:7. Consider why it is reasonable to conclude that Jesus is the archangel Michael.🤷♂ Michael is “the archangel.” (Jude 9) The title “archangel,” meaning “chief of the angels,” appears in only two Bible verses. In both cases, the word is singular, suggesting that only one angel bears that title. One of those verses states that the resurrected Lord Jesus “will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16) Jesus has “an archangel’s voice” because he is the archangel, Michael. Michael commands an angelic army. “Michael and his angels battled with the dragon,” Satan. (Revelation 12:7) Michael has great authority in the spirit realm, for he is called “one of the foremost princes” and “the great prince.” (Daniel 10:13, 21; 12:1) These titles designate Michael as “the commander-in-chief of the angelic forces,” KING JAMES VERSION, DANIEL 12⬇ And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. The Bible mentions only one other name of someone having authority over an army of angels. It describes “the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7, 8; Matthew 16:27) Jesus “went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.” (1 Peter 3:21, 22) It would not make sense for God to set up Jesus and Michael as rival commanders of the holy angels. Rather, it is more reasonable to conclude that both names, Jesus and Michael, refer to the same person. Michael “will stand up” during an unprecedented “time of distress.” (Daniel 12:1) In the book of Daniel, the expression “stand up” is often used to refer to a king who rises up to take special action. (Daniel 11:2-4, 21) Jesus Christ, identified as “The Word of God,” will take special action as the “King of kings” to strike down all of God’s enemies and protect God’s people. (Revelation 19:11-16) He will do so during a time of “great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning.”-Matthew 24:21, 42. I LOVE THESE BIBLE TRUTHS-DO YOU? AT WORSE, IF YOU READ YOUR BIBLE YOU COULD THE COME BACK REFUTING THE ABOVE. Best thing about this for you is that you don't have to go look up Greek words to understand this.
THE FACT THAT JESUS CAN HAVE BROTHERS TOTALLY DESTROYS THE TRINITY AND PROVES THAT HE WAS JEHOVAH GOD’S FIRST DIRECT CREATION BEING THE REASON HE IS CALLED THE “ONLY BEGOTTEN SON” ALSO THIS IS WHY PAUL WROTE CONCERNING JESUS: “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature” (ALL CREATURES ARE CREATED BEINGS) Colossians 1:15 A FATHER IS A LIFE GIVER: “For just as the Father has life in himself, (A SON IS A LIFE RECEIVER) so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.” John 5:26 IN THE CASE OF THE CREATOR / ALMIGHTY GOD HE CAN NOT HAVE NO EQUALS: “For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.” Isaiah 45:18 WITH THAT BEING ESTABLISHED IT WOULD BE FOOLISH TO CONCLUDE THAT GOD CAN HAVE A FATHER, MOTHER, OR BROTHERS BUT HE CAN AND DOES HAVE CREATED SONS: “the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose.” Genesis 6:2 - SEE ALSO (Job 1:6; 38:7; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6) ANOTHER DESIGNATION FOR GOD’S ANGELIC SONS ARE STARS: “When the morning stars joyfully cried out together…” Job 38:7 JESUS CLEARLY REVEALS HIS PERSONAL IDENTITY IN GOD’S CREATION FOR US AT REVELATION 3:14 WHEN HE SAYS: “To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God” IF ANYONE TAKES JESUS AT HIS OWN WORDS THERE IS NO NEED TO ADD MORE TO HIS TESTIMONY AGAIN JESUS LEAVES NO DOUBT THAT HE IS A CREATION OF GOD THE FATHER BY ACKNOWLEDGING JEHOVAH NOT ONLY AS HIS FATHER BUT ALSO AS HIS GOD AS HE SAYS TO: “‘The one who conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.” Revelation 3:12 (CONQUERING THAT TRINITARIAN LIE MAY NOT BE EASY BUT IT CAN BE DONE) SO WE SEE THAT UPON JESUS’ RETURN TO HEAVEN THAT HE HIMSELF IS A WORSHIPPER OF GOD - WHY IS THAT? JESUS HIMSELF BEING AN ANGELIC SON OF GOD AS HE EXPLAINS: “‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.’” Revelation 22:16 A VERY EARLY PROPHECY HELPS US TO UNDERSTAND THAT GOD WOULD SEND AN ANGEL / STAR TO EARTH TO BECOME A MAN: “I will see him, but not now; I will behold him, but not soon. A star will come out of Jacob, And a scepter will rise out of Israel. And he will certainly break apart the forehead of Moʹab And the skull of all the sons of tumult.” Numbers 24:17 IT'S TIME FOR TRINITARIANS TO STOP LYING TO THEMSELVES AND OTHERS AND REPENT BECAUSE IT IS BLASPHEMY TO ATTRIBUTE ANYTHING TO GOD BEYOND WHAT HE SAYS BY MEANS OF HIS ANGELIC WORD (JESUS) AND IN HIS WRITTEN WORD THE BIBLE DEAR FATHER I PRAYER IN JESUS NAME THAT SPIRITUAL COMPREHENSION WILL BE GRANTED TO ALL WHO ARE SEEKING THE TRUTH AS JESUS PRAYED FOR ALL HUMANS SAYING: “This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.” MAY HONEST-HEARTED ONES FIND THE TRUTH AND ACCEPT IT IN JESUS' NAME - AMEN
Jesus IS the Truth.. We must ACCEPT HIM.. Spirit of Christ/GOD Romans 8:9 Then we will 'KNOW' him.. being Born Again by Receiving the Holy Spirit who brings us into all Truth
Good points! Jesus is ONE among BROTHERS. Romans 8:29.......his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. God having brother gods? Sounds eerie!
Finally, this. Revelation 5:8-14. Read this passage. Even in the New World translation, it says Jesus is worshiped. It also says, worshiped in the Greek interlinear translation. Their OWN translation. Verse 13: “And EVERY creature which is in heaven, and on the Earth, and under the Earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “ Blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits on the throne, AND to the Lamb, forever and ever!” Verse 14: “ then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the 24 elders fell down and worshiped him who lives forever and ever. If Jesus Christ was a created being, he would be part of the “every creature” description, which is in heaven and on the Earth and under the Earth and such as are in the sea. But He is not a creature because he was not created. He is being worshiped, and there is no way to talk your JW way out of it. It’s in your own Bible! Jesus is not created, not a creature, and is being worshipped, right next to Jehovah. Jesus is God.
@@jeffreyvanhorn1996 The Bible writers very often excluded the subject (and others) when using the term "every" and "all". This is a common usage even today. For example, the police sergeant making an arrest of a criminal group might say: "Everyone in this room is under arrest!" Obviously the sergeant does not include himself (nor his captain who is with him) even though he says "everyone"! Or "the criminal tied up everyone in the room before stealing the gems." A similar expression appears in Philippians 2:10, "So that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth...." But, obviously, the Father in heaven does not bend his knee, and Jesus certainly does not bend his knee to himself! This, too, should be a qualified "every knee". It's the same with the expression "every creature" in Revelation 5:13. The Bible clearly says God created Jesus (Revelation 3:14; Proverbs 8:22-23; John 6:57; Colossians 1:15).
@@revilotnek1610 Also, Micah 5:2, referring to Jesus. His days are from…where? Where? From ETERNITY. He’s from eternity, just as Father God is from eternity. No beginning, no end. Conclusion: Jesus is from eternity, not created.
@@jeffreyvanhorn1996 Thanks for your comment. Some Trinitarians indeed tell us that Micah 5:2 teaches that Jesus has always existed ("from everlasting" - KJV). And since only God has existed for all eternity, Jesus must be Almighty God. But look at other Trinitarian translations of Micah 5:2. (E.g., "O Bethlehem ..., from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose origin is from of old, from ancient days" - RSV, compare with JB, NEB, REB, NAB, NIV, AT, Mo, NRSV, NJB, Byington, and Young's.) AMP - His goings forth (appearances) are from long ago, From ancient days. Byington - his origins being from of old, from ancient days. CSB - His origin is from antiquity, from ancient times. ESV - whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days. GNT - whose family line goes back to ancient times. GWT - His origins go back to the distant past, to days long ago. NAB - Whose origin is from of old, from ancient times. NCV - He comes from very old times, from days long ago. NLT - whose origins are in the distant past. NIV - whose origins are from of old, from ancient times. NRSV - whose origin is from of old, from ancient days. Not only does this verse NOT teach that Jesus has always existed, it even speaks of his origin in very ancient times. The word origin is defined as "a coming into existence" in the Webster's New World Dictionary, 1973 and "rise, beginning, or derivation from a source" in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary. Why would these Trinitarian translations admit such a thing? Perhaps because it is difficult to honestly translate the Hebrew motsaah with a word that does not include this understanding. Even when "goings forth" is the rendering, it appears it should also be with the understanding of "originating." For example, if we said "the command went forth from the King," we obviously mean the command originated with - or sprang from - the king! And when Micah 5:2 says of the Messiah: "O Bethlehem ..., from you shall come forth [the Messiah]," it can only mean that, in his earthly existence, he originated in Bethlehem. Obviously for so many respected Trinitarian translators to choose this meaning ("origin") they must feel there is no other honest choice! The only meanings given by Gesenius for this word in his highly-respected Lexicon are "origin, springing" - #4163, Gesenius - cf. Micah 5:1 in The Jewish Publication Society's Bible translation, Tanakh. And A Concise Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament gives the only meaning for this word as used in Micah 5 as "origin." - p. 187, Eerdmans. It must mean that his pre-existence as a spirit person in heaven originated in very ancient times (as the very beginning of God's creation - Rev. 3:14; Prov. 8:22). The Bible Greek of the ancient Septuagint, in fact, at Micah 5:2 says: "and his goings forth were from the beginning [arkhe], from ancient days [aionos]." The NIV Study Bible, in a footnote for Micah 5:2 explains: "origins...from of old. His beginnings were much earlier than his human birth." BUT THE TRUE, ETERNAL GOD HAD NO BEGINNING! As for the Hebrew word olam, it can often be understood as “ancient times” or “of old” and does not necessarily refer to “eternity.” It can simply mean an indefinite period of time. It is used at Numbers 25:13 to apply to the Levitical priesthood, which did last for an indefinite period of time, coming to its end more than 1900 years ago. Here is a sampling of how olam is used in the following scriptures in the NASB: of old (Gen 6:4) days of old (Deuteronomy 32:7) From ancient times (Joshua 24:2) from ancient times. (1 Samuel 27:8) the ancient path (Job 22:15) the ancient boundary (Proverbs 22:28) the ancient boundary (Proverbs 23:10) the ancient nation (Isaiah 44:7) ancient ruins (Isaiah 58:12) ancient ruins (Isaiah 61:4) the days of old. (Isaiah 63:9) the days of old (Isaiah 63:11) an ancient nation, (Jeremiah 5:15) the ancient paths (Jeremiah 6:16) the ancient paths (Jeremiah 18:15) the ancient waste places (Ezekiel 26:20) the days of old (Malachi 3:4) Micah 5:2 literally says "days of olam." This same wording is found again in Micah at Micah 7:14: Let them feed in Bashan and Gilead as in the days of old [‘days of olam’] (Micah 7:14). Try substituting “eternity” in the above scriptures. It’s clear that the NASB has rendered olam correctly in those scriptures. So, adding the fact that the Messiah had a beginning in this verse to the possibility of olam meaning “ancient” as translated here in numerous Trinitarian Bibles and and in many other scriptures, it seems evident that the RSV has correctly rendered Micah 5:2 - (RSV) Micah 5:2 But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose origin is from of old, from ancient days. The New Word Translation also correctly rendered Micah 5:2: And you, O Bethʹle·hem Ephʹra·thah, The one too little to be among the thousands of Judah, From you will come out for me the one to be ruler in Israel, Whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago. It's also very important to examine Micah 5:4 where YHWH or Jehovah is recognized as being the God of the Messiah! The NIVSB tells us in a footnote for this verse that the LORD [`Jehovah'] here - the God of the Messiah - refers to "God the Father."
Since Jesus made clear that God IS A SPIRIT (John 4:24), God couldn't have purchased anything with his own blood since He didn't have any. It is Jesus' blood which God used to bring the New Covenant into being. Hebrews 9:12 'Jesus' entered into the holy place, not with the blood of goats and of young bulls, but WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, once for all time, and obtained an everlasting deliverance for us. 24 For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that HE NOW APPEARS BEFORE GOD on our behalf. A High Priest offers a sacrifice TO GOD on behalf of the people. God cannot be the sacrifice.
Yes God is spirit and the spirit is invisible but the prophecies came to happen when it was prophesized that the Messiah himself is God in the flesh. That God became a human being so you're speaking utter nonsense
@@Rican856 : If John wrote in clear unmistakable terms: 'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME' - 1 John 4:!2, what does it mean? That God was SEEN riding a donkey? OR that God has NEVER BEEN SEEN by humans? Some people have no idea as to who the Creator is. No human can encounter him and survive (Exodus 33:20). The sun Jehovah God created cannot come closer to this earth. And our sun is a miniscule one compared to others. Rational thinking is called for.
@@jimjuri6490 bro you are truly brainless. Do you even understand the context of 1 John 4:12 ?? Obviously you don't because if you did then you wouldn't be talking nonsense. This verse reminds readers that no one has ever seen God in his full divine essence, but God's love allows people to "see" him through the actions of his people. God abides in those who seek to love Him. We do not need to physically see Him; He is already in us. Also, God's love is made perfect or complete in us. This does not mean we become sinless. Instead, the focus is on maturity or the quality of love in us. That's the Actual context of 1 John 4:12 so that alone has absolutely nothing to do with what you're falsely claiming regarding Jesus because he fact is the Bible clearly says that Jesus is God in the flesh which I already proved to you and I can prove to you again with more Bible verses that Jesus is the living God in the flesh.
@@jimjuri6490 John 1:1-18 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ ”) Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. Got proven wrong!! Jesus is God in human form. The invisible God became visible by becoming a human being through Jesus Christ. Want to get proven wrong again??
@@jimjuri6490 wrong! The bible clearly says that Jesus is the living God who became a human being. The invisible God became visible by manifesting in human form. John 1:1-18 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ ”) Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. This verse alone confirms that Jesus is God in the flesh. The word of God. The word of God who is God and the word of God who became flesh.
Actually sat through this entire tirade and was amazed at the level of ignorance and arrogance and the degree of embarrassment...not to mention the zombie followers who lapped up the sewage that spewed from the dragon's mouth. Every example cited is completely distorted and misinterpreted and certainly does not prove a triune god. As I read each one on screen from the ESV it was obvious how wrong those examples were, nothing supports the despicable false pagan demon inspired doctrine of the Trinity which existed before the Bible and Israel and is never taught in the Bible not even the concept of it, just research any and every scholar, theologian or professor who's ever written on the Trinity.
Oh yea ? Jesus claimed to be God but was not the father Jesus sent the Holy Spirit but that was a separate person from the father and the son. So either it’s 3 gods which it is not, because God says he is one. The only logical conclusion is the trinity.
The God found in scripture is a Godhead. The name of the Godhead is YHWH. Father. Son. Holy Spirit. These are YHWH, the Godhead. Here, Christ the LORD, in His own words, by His prophet Isaiah... "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And His Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the First and the Last; Besides Me there is no God." 44:6 Christ has identified Himself using these names and titles; LORD. King of Israel. Redeemer. LORD of hosts. First and Last. God. The deity of Christ is the cornerstone of Christianity, as supported by scripture.
So I take it that you're not a fan of the Bible then? Can you at least give 1 single example of something he said that is "distorted and misinterpreted". We'll wait.
Don't try those on me, because if you do I will crush you in mere seconds. Sam Shamoun is a deceiver. The Isaiah he said you should use is actually the worst verse you can try to use to defend Trinity. That verse makes it clear that Jehovah is the Almighty God.
Jehovah is a made up english word... the Hebrews left out ALL vowels PRECISECLY so NO one could say the name of GOD OUT LOUD... and if God is petty enough to be called by a single easy to pronounce word, well He isn't that great. now in the old testament He had MANY names and also just called Himself I AM. so where did you get the vowels from?
Roman's 6:9....has death ever had "mastery or dominon" over God? Of course not! Jesus is God's Son. NOT the one and only Sovreign of the universe Jehovah God our Father. - 1 Cor 8:6 He can not ever die. Not even for 3 days.
@SpiderDiscord John 1:5 KJV "And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."..... What is this telling you? The scripture in the post prior is very clear wouldn't you say? King James Version Romans 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. If death "no longer" has any hold, that indicates that beforehand it did so. He was raised immortal, he wasn't immortal beforehand. Wouldn't you agree?
@@MrMore470 Death had mastery over Jesus while he was dead (just like a Bond villain has mastery over Bond while they have captured him). But in the final analysis: No. Death couldn't have mastery over Jesus - hence why Jesus is 'the firstborn' from the dead. Just like John 1:5 says: The darkness tried to hold mastery over Jesus but couldn't.
@SpiderDiscord i think that is the point the first guy is making... that Jesus died. Jesus says in rev1 "I died"... Those 2 words are impossible for Almighty God to say as he is eternal in both directions. He has never been dead, he cannot become dead. Jesus died and has been given immortality (Rev1:18). He didn't have this before, hence his ability to die.
@@MrMore470 For Christian's being dead doesn't mean that you stop existing. We believe that Jesus is eternal. We also believe that he (a) took upon himself a human nature and (b) died and (c) was raised in the flesh. While Jesus was in hell he proclaimed the gospel to the dead (1. Peter 4:6; 1. Peter 3:18-19). We don't believe that his divine nature changes at any time.
no you don't, you use the 17th revised version. Even though i don't know you i know that unless you are a 16th century English professor, than you CAN NOT read a 1611 original.
That really is strange. A son of God is an angel. God sent his son from heaven as Galatians 4:4 points out, would mean that God sent an angel. Translators who want to promote the idea of Jesus being the one and only son of God, get themselves into trouble.
@@tongakhan230 Son of God are not angels. They are a different creatures. Angels are not made in God's likeness. Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. So he isn't a creature as other sons of God are.
@@isaacjohnson615 :(Job 1:6) Now the day came when the SONS OF THE TRUE GOD entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also entered among them. Jesus and Satan were fellow angels. That is why Satan approached Jesus in an attempt tp derail God's purpose being worked out through Jesus. '"If you are a son of God..."- Matthew 4:3,6. Angels, humans are all; made in Gods likeness. They are intelligent beings CREATED by God. Jesus being the FIRST God ever created. Colossians 1:15. (Genesis 1:26) Then God said: “Let us make man IN OUT IMAGE, according to OUR LIKENESS,
@@tristankinney9077 Everything He said lines up with the interpretation of the Early Church Fathers and the Magisterium. The Nicene creed is the official document that proves if someone is a Christian or not. Everything the Jehovah Witnesses claim goes directly against the Nicene creed, which is why they slander the Catholic Church by saying Emperor Constantine brought paganism into Christianity. I’m not anything, but the Early Church says everything about Jehovah Witness is heretical.
@@tristankinney9077 did you look at every verse he brought up? Did you take out the new world translation and compare the two? Did you even watch the video? Or did you just hear something you didn’t like and posted the comment
You can’t come to my comment and assume my concept, that’s the first problem.. I say he shouldn’t be teaching according to how he conduct himself in debates.. have you seen any if not I can show you what I mean
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Don’t embarrass yourself when they knock your door. Timestamps:
0:00 DO NOT USE John 1v1
1:02 DO NOT USE John 10v33
1:44 DO NOT USE John 1v18
5:20 DO NOT USE Acts 20v28 (Use Their Interlinear Instead)
8:35 DO NOT USE Titus 2v13
9:54 DO NOT USE Philippians 2v9 (Use Their Interlinear Instead)
10:55 DO NOT USE Colossians 1v15-17 (Use Their Interlinear Instead)
14:58 USE Isaiah 44v6, Isaiah 48v12, Isaiah 41v4 & Revelation 1v17-18
The Narrow Gate
13 “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell[f] is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.
The Tree and Its Fruit
15 “Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves. 16 You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. 19 So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. 20 Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions.
True Disciples
21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’23 “Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones. 25 See, I have warned you about this ahead of time.
26 “So if someone tells you, ‘Look, the Messiah is out in the desert,’ don’t bother to go and look
That's a long list of scriptures.
Why don't we make it slightly easier...
If you want to prove the trinity to a Jehovah's Witness, don't use any bible.
Use abstract greek taken out of context and opinion.
@@MrMore470 do you think they will listen to you?
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@ChristOverAllJeremy ;
Well if any do listen, they really shouldn't. As Sam for instance here is presenting nothing more than just repeating the standard fare of centuries old bad and defective arguments of Trinitarian apologetics.
Nothing new, original, or anymore effective than any of the other arguments Trinitarians typically try to make..
Thank you for streaming. God bless you. Glory to God!
TRINITY ROOTS a short historical sampling.
Babylon: TRINITY
Nimrod, Tammuz and Samiramis
BABYLON is the start of variuos Trinity worshiping. See> Genesis (10:8-12, 11:1-9)
In Ancient Egypt: TRINITY
The Egyptian trinity is a group of three deities that includes Asar, Aset, and Heru:.
In India 🇮🇳: TRINITY
It is often said that there is a trinity of Hindu gods: Brahma, the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer. But while Vishnu and Shiva have followers and temples all over India, Brahma is not worshiped as a major deity.
In Ancient Rome: TRINITY
The Capitoline Triad was a group of three deities who were worshipped in ancient Roman religion in an elaborate temple on Rome's Capitoline Hill (Latin Capitolium). It comprised Jupiter, Juno and Minerva. The triad held a central place in the public religion of Rome
Greece: TRINITY
The Olympian demiurgic triad in platonic philosophy was made up of Zeus (considered the Zeus [king of the gods] of the Heavens), Poseidon (Zeus of the seas) and Pluto/Hades (Zeus of the underworld
The legend and trinity gods have always been false gods. At various times in the bible, the Baal gods were trinity gods.
See Jeremiah 23:
26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies, even the prophets of the deceit of their own heart?
27 that think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbor, as their fathers forgat my name for Baal.
Baal is also mentioned as Bel in older Hebrew text-Triune god concepts from demons.
The demons in the spirit realm have a way of shaping this into certain societies and cultures. It's often re branded as you can see, because one culture will not accept another culture's version of the trinity. The modern day trinits iteration that exist in Christendom today is heavily influenced by greek mythology.
And the modern day Trinity has its roots in Greek mythology. The Hellenistic period was coming to an end about 150 years or so after Christ death, later Satan ushered in slowly
the version of trinity into the early church fathers of Christendom 325AD.
formally ratified at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The Holy Spirit was included at the First Council of Constantinople (381 AD), where the relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one substance (ousia) and three co-equal persons (hypostaseis) was formally ratified. And later, one of 5 more of the State/Government approved doctrines of these church father meetings took place in Ephesus. I think were at about 7 hese ecumenical councils meetings but it taken place about four hundred years or so for the trinity doctrine to become state approved by the various roman emperors. In short, before I go into much more, the current version of the trinity that exist in Christendom is just a reformatted, re-branded or more sophisticated version of the
Trinity, rebooted iteration with the Father- Son-Holy Spirit concept.
Over time, it has become a snare, similar to purgatory teaching and other unbiblical teachings of demons, the trinity psychological effect has produced a mental and emotional indoctrination of traditional paganistic origins i to the spiritually adulterous religions of Christendom today; Which in essence is a poorly replicated, mimic version of Christianity by Satan the Devil; Common aphorism has taken whole of identifying it as BABYLONTHEGREAT> Revelation 17-18.
Many of the so-called theologians or religious leaders of groups, small and large rarely touch on the topic because it's spiritual conscience and its teachings are not centered around the truth but adhering to limited text shaped around isolated dogma to prove some bizarre Trinity belief.
The woman in the book of Revelation is a spiritual harlot.
This religionist culture still exists today in Christendom.
See Roman 2:24
For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you, even as it is written.
Okay guys hope that's helpful🫡
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Psalm 110:1, KJV.
Do you understand what it means to sit at the right hand of Power?
It is affirming that Christ has equal status to the Father within the Godhead.
All Glory to the Most High God!
Psalms 110:1 tells us that God commanded Jesus to WAIT UNTIL.....
Jesus had to wait to be made King.
When has God been made to wait? And who has any authority to appoint God as King?
Read verse 3. It is about JWs.
DONT BE SCARED, THIS COVERS YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT "MICHAEL" BUT DONT JUST LOOK, THE MORE IMPORTANT THING IS SCRIPTURE!
ITS ABOUT 15 MINUTES OF READING, ABOUT HAVE OF WHAT YOU VIDEO WAS.
The only holy angel other than Gabriel named in the Bible, and the only one called “archangel.” (Jude 9) The first occurrence of the name is in the tenth chapter of Daniel, where Michael is described as “one of the foremost princes” that came to the aid of a lesser angel who was opposed by the “prince of the royal realm of Persia.” Michael was called “the prince of [Daniel’s] people,” “the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Dan. 10:13, 20, 21; 12:1) This points to Michael as the angel who led the Israelites through the wilderness. (Ex. 23:20, 21, 23; 32:34; 33:2) Lending support to this conclusion is the fact that “Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body.”-Jude 9.
Scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael applied to God’s Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ and also after his return. Michael is the only one said to be the “archangel,” meaning “chief angel” or “principal angel.” The term occurs in the Bible only in the singular. This seems to imply that there is but one whom God has designated chief or head of the angelic host. At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the voice of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ is described as being that of an archangel, suggesting that he is, in fact, himself the archangel. This text depicts him as descending from heaven with a “commanding call.” It is only logical, therefore, that the voice expressing this commanding call be described by a word that would not diminish or detract from the great authority that Christ Jesus now has as King of kings and Lord of lords. (Matt. 28:18; Rev. 17:14) If the designation “archangel” applied, not to Jesus Christ, but to other angels, then the reference to an “archangel’s voice” would not be appropriate. In that case it would be describing a voice of lesser authority than that of the Son of God.
There are also other correspondencies establishing that Michael is actually the Son of God. Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael (10:13), recorded a long-range prophecy reaching down to “the time of the end” (11:40), and then stated: “And during that time Michael will stand up” (12:1), that is, will take up power or begin to reign as king. (Compare Daniel 8:22, 23; 11:2, 3, 7, 20, 21.) This implies that a period of being seated preceded his standing up as king. In agreement therewith Hebrews 10:12, 13 says regarding Christ Jesus: “This man offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God, from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet.” Michael’s standing up was to lead to a “time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.”-Dan. 12:1.
The book of Revelation (12:7, 10, 12) mentions Michael in connection with the establishment of God’s kingdom and links this event with trouble for the earth: “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled. And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: ‘Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, . . . On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea.’” Jesus Christ is later depicted as leading the heavenly armies in war against the nations of the earth. (Rev. 19:11-16) This would mean a period of distress for them, which would logically be included in the “time of distress” to follow Michael’s standing up. (Dan. 12:1) Since the Son of God is to fight the nations, it is only reasonable that he was the one who with his angels earlier battled against the superhuman dragon, Satan the Devil, and his angels.
In his prehuman existence Jesus was called “the Word.” (John 1:1) He also had the personal name Michael. By retaining the name Jesus after his resurrection (Acts 9:5), the “Word” shows that he is identical with the Son of God on earth. His resuming his heavenly name Michael and his title (or, name) “The Word of God” (Rev. 19:13) ties him in with his prehuman existence. The very name Michael, asking as it does, “Who is like God?”, points to the fact that Jehovah God is without like or equal and that Michael his archangel is his great Champion or Vindicator.
ANY QUESTIONS?
JER. 9:23
Thus saith Jehovah, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches; 24 but let him that glorieth glory in this, that he hath understanding, and knoweth me, that I am Jehovah who exerciseth lovingkindness, justice, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith Jehovah.
Revelation 1: 17 & 18
Awesome!
Praise be to God the Father and
Jesus His Son.
Shalom dear friends
True! A good scripture to show the difference between God and Jesus.
@@jimjuri6490 No it's not. Revelation 1-3 is not for the church age doctrinally, learn Pauline doctrine first because Jesus chose him to deliver it. Secondly, I suggest that you learn the difference between the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God so that you can understand the two titles that Jesus has, Son of man and Son of God. Don't learn from a JW or their ridiculous fake bible. Get a real Bible, a King James Bible and watch the following video. You will know more about the Bible if you get this right than any 10,000 people that think that they do in Kingdom Hall or the Watchtower Society.
ua-cam.com/video/GHrlELwRQmI/v-deo.htmlsi=rbTGNxnKBZw0pI2w
The first and the last in this verse in the Greek are protos and eskatos. Which infers the beginning and end of something. God had no beginning and has no end. Christ being the only begotten son was the first and the last to be created by God , everything else was created through christ.col.1v 15, 16.
He who adds to the word, God will add plagues upon him.
He who takes away the word, God will take away his portion from heaven.
Man can deceive man with words.
Make no mistake - God will never deceive man with his word he promises.
God will reward you or condemn you with his ward to us all.
A comment that leaves us hanging in air. Any purpose for such a comment?
@jimjuri6490
Sam said it in the video.
"The lower case G" was "Added"
Sam indicated that the letter "A" was added to scriptures that aren't found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
The NIV is the same way with taking out words and inserting words in the Bible that aren't found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the King James Bible.
Surly, you know what would happen to people who play with the words of God, right.
I made my comment from my observations of differences between the old and the new bibles, not the old and new Testament.
I'm concerned that one wrong word can sincerely lead people astray, and no one can contest God in the great white throne of judgment for practicing man's word he added in the word of God, namely the Bible.
I hope I've answered your question in detail and you can find a conclusion in my comment I've made.
Bless you, buddy, and may we meet in the new heaven and the new earth of the new creation 🌎
Amen 🙏
@@user-mrwikohikaHow do you feel about Sam’s Bible translators taking out God’s Name? That’s a bad idea right?
This is specifically about Revelations.
@@user-mrwikohika King James added a lot of words to the Bible that arent in the dead sea scrolls.
Deceptive in that he does not follow how some other bible translations read Acts 20:28 - to the uninformed a casual reading of said verse even in esv version one could conclude that God has physical Human blood which is impossible...and secondly one has to differentiate who was it that died?...was it Jesus or was it God who died??...if God did die then scripture at Habakkuk 1:12 is wrong where it says: " are you not God from long ago?
..oh my God you do NOT die" but Jesus died when he was nailed and Not God. And no, God does not have human blood since he is a spirit as John 4:24 says. Jesus says he was sent by God, and not that God came to earth as a man.
Well done. The ignorance of the trinitarians is unbelievable. Wrapped in their delusion and can't realize that they are entrenched in the biggest demonic teaching to pervaid the conscience of mankind.
Revelation 17:1-6....plus
And
Revelation 18:
.4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come forth, my people, out of her(the spiritual harlot-false religion), that ye have no fellowship with her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues: 5 for her sins have reached even unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
BABYLON THE GREAT
@@KingdomMight read properly
@@KingdomMightYou can't be serious
Man I forgot how much his voice changed over the years. Please Lord hear our prayers for Sam to preserve his throat and voice and eyes so he can continue to spread your word. In Jesus’s name
Wait till you hear a clip from 2017… uploading in a few days.
Also John 1:18 in the King James says no man has seen God at any time; The only begotten son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.. The ESV, no one has ever seen God; the only God who is at the father's side he has made him known,... huge difference between the modern scriptures which pervert the word of God, and says something totally different than the King James which was given to the whole world in the common language
Some translations say 'who himself is God'. Which obviously makes no sense when 'no man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME' is taken John 1:18.
@@tongakhan230 no one has seen him in his spiritual form, but he appeared to o Abraham
@@tongakhan230 but in physical form
@@cycribbs : God doesn't change forms.
Jesus made this clear at John 4:24.
Plus, when the time and opportunity clause 'AT ANY TIME' is added, what does it mean?
That God was seen or that God has NEVER been SEEN?
Who were those who appeared to Abraham? Paul helps.
(Hebrews 13:2) Do not forget hospitality, for through it some unknowingly entertained angels.
Of the three angels in human form, 2 went on to save Lot and his family.
People who read the OT accounts written by Moses may jump to the conclusion that it was God himself who appeared and spoke. It wasn't. See Hebrews 1:1.
Hence, the reason for John to state that God has never been seen by humans.
Here is what God told Moses:
(Exodus 33:20) But he added: “You cannot see my face, for NO MAN CAN SEE ME AND LIVE.”
If God were to come close to this earth, it would evaporate. That is why God SENDS angels to accomplish his purpose.
Jesus was one such angel. That is why he is called a Son of God. Compare Job 1:6.
@@tongakhan230 oh really, well he appeared to Abraham, he appeared to Moses, you know Melchizedek was without mother and father, Jesus Christ is the manifestation of God on earth, see I can use scripture too, to point to the truth...
Isaiah 7:14 therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign semicolon behold a virgin shall conceive and bury son, and she'll call his name Emmanuel..
Matthew 1:23 behold a virgin shall be with child and she shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel which being interpret is God with us
Isaiah 9:6 for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called wonderful, counselor the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace..
Isaiah 43:10, ye are my witnesses, say at the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that 👉I am he 👈 before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after me
John 1, 14 in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God, 14 and the word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory the glory as of the only begotten son of the Father, full of grace and truth
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them verily verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I AM...
John 20:27-28 then say if he to Thomas reach hither thy finger and behold my hand; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side and be not faithless but believing, 28 and Thomas answered and said unto him thy Lord and my God
1 Timothy 3:16 and without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh justified in the spirit seen of angels preached unto the gentiles believed on in the world, received up the glory
Revelation 1:8 I am the alpha the Omega the beginning and the ending saith the Lord which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty
God promotes Jesus to a higher position. Philippians 2:9.
What higher position can Almighty God be exalted to?
And who is the God who made this promotion to Jesus?
Doesn't pan out. Sorry!
@ jimjuri6490 that would be correct if you look past verses 6-7, when Jesus starts off in the form of God. It’s after taking the form of a servant, that Jesus is humbled and crucified, that Jesus is then exalted by the Father. Jesus is the incarnation of God. Truly God, yet also truly man. That is how Jesus can be God yet can be “exalted”. It’s Jesus returning to the status that He has before Incarnation as the Son.
Hope that makes sense.
@@samueljennings4809 : Ever wondered why Paul would say that 'Jesus' was in the FORM of God and NOT God himself?
This may help.
'To WHICH of the ANGELS did God say...' - Hebrews 1:5,13.
Get it? Angels are in the FORM of God (Spirit beings). Just as we are in the FORM of Adam (human beings).
What happened when God promoted this particular angel as Phil 2:9 states?
(Hebrews 1:4) So HE HAS BECOME BETTER THAN THE ANGELS to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent THAN THEIRS.
Remember, apples can only be compared to apples fact. Give it some rational thought.
@@jimjuri6490 He was exalted because He humbled Himself to the point of death even death on the cross. Jesus, the Lord almighty humbled Himself and became like us. If Jesus is not God, the incarnation means nothing, the ministry of Christ means nothing, His propitiation means nothing and His resurrection means nothing, and we are not saved.
@@harley6659 : One fact we must remember is that God CANNOT DIE.
Jesus, his son, whom God SENT to become a human was killed by humans.
Hebrews 2:9 But we do see Jesus, who WAS MADE a little lower THAN ANGELS,
Hebrews 1:4 So he has BECOME BETTER THAN THE ANGELS to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent THAN THEIRS.
How would these statements make sense if Jesus was God? Who did the MAKING of Jesus into the various forms and state?
Jesus was an ANGEL son of God.
Apples can be compared to apples fact.
If Jesus was God, then there was NO SACRIFICE made TO God for us. We have no hope.
JWs preach the TRUTH as did Jesus. That is why all these attempts are made to discredit JWs. Else, why bother with them?
Jesus also couldn't be ignored. He told the Jews:
(John 8:40) But now you are seeking to kill me, A MAN who has told you THE TRITH I HEARD FROM GOD.
Did Jesus claim to be God or a Prophet of God?
Search for truth and you will find it.
Have falsehoods forced down a throat and end up being one of those whom Jesus referred to at Matthew 7:13.
Be among the FEW who love TRUTH (Matthew 7:14).
@@samueljennings4809 .. of course you don't make sense because you're ignorant and making things up to suit yourself.
You've totally missed the point - Jesus was resurrected as a spirit - the same form he had in heaven with his Father, before being sent to the earth. His ascension to heaven after some 40 days appearing to his disciples, does not count as being exalted to a higher position when he had that position in the first place.
It is in heaven itself that Jesus is exalted, because his situation is different than it was before - he had learned obedience in human form - he did not gain this experience in heaven. Jesus proved beyond doubt that a perfect human could remain obedient to God under test - the perfect man Adam could have done the same had he chosen to - Adam's sin was inexcusable. Jesus not only gave his life, but he suffered in the process for some 6 hours on a Roman execution stake - it was the worst form of torture during that period in human history.
Jesus was fully aware of his God-given assignment, yet he agreed to it because he loved his Father and understood the purpose of the ransom - Proverbs 8:31 tells us that out of all the things created, Jesus was 'fond of the sons of men' - he willingly gave his life on behalf of all those who would 'exercise faith in the ransom' - John 3:16
Having completed this assignment, not only did Jesus prove Satan to be a liar, by keeping his integrity and remaining obedient to his Father's will - he was able to provide the value of his sacrifice to his Father, who could now, on that basis release humans from sin and death if they chose to learn his requirements for living in a future paradise earth. - John 17:3
Note Jesus' announcement at Matthew 28:18
Jesus approached and spoke to them [his disciples], saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”
@Kingly-Mike TRINITY ROOTS a short historical sampling.
Babylon: TRINITY
Nimrod, Tammuz and Samiramis
BABYLON is the start of variuos Trinity worshiping. See> Genesis (10:8-12, 11:1-9)
In Ancient Egypt: TRINITY
The Egyptian trinity is a group of three deities that includes Asar, Aset, and Heru:.
In India 🇮🇳: TRINITY
It is often said that there is a trinity of Hindu gods: Brahma, the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer. But while Vishnu and Shiva have followers and temples all over India, Brahma is not worshiped as a major deity.
In Ancient Rome: TRINITY
The Capitoline Triad was a group of three deities who were worshipped in ancient Roman religion in an elaborate temple on Rome's Capitoline Hill (Latin Capitolium). It comprised Jupiter, Juno and Minerva. The triad held a central place in the public religion of Rome
Greece: TRINITY
The Olympian demiurgic triad in platonic philosophy was made up of Zeus (considered the Zeus [king of the gods] of the Heavens), Poseidon (Zeus of the seas) and Pluto/Hades (Zeus of the underworld
The legend and trinity gods have always been false gods. At various times in the Bible, the Baal gods were trinity gods.
See Jeremiah 23:
26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies, even the prophets of the deceit of their own heart?
27 that think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbor, as their fathers forgat my name for Baal.
Baal is also mentioned as Bel in older Hebrew text-Triune god concepts from demons.
The demons in the spirit realm have a way of shaping this into certain societies and cultures. It's often re branded as you can see, because one culture will not accept another culture's version of the trinity. The modern day trinits iteration that exist in Christendom today is heavily influenced by greek mythology.
And the modern day Trinity has its roots in Greek mythology. The Hellenistic period was coming to an end about 150 years or so after Christ death, later Satan ushered in slowly
the version of trinity into the early church fathers of Christendom 325AD.
formally ratified at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The Holy Spirit was included at the First Council of Constantinople (381 AD), where the relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one substance (ousia) and three co-equal persons (hypostaseis) was formally ratified. And later, one of 5 more of the State/Government approved doctrines of these church father meetings took place in Ephesus. I think were at about 7 hese ecumenical councils meetings but it taken place about four hundred years or so for the trinity doctrine to become state approved by the various roman emperors. In short, before I go into much more, the current version of the trinity that exist in Christendom is just a reformatted, re-branded or more sophisticated version of the
Trinity, rebooted iteration with the Father- Son-Holy Spirit concept.
Over time, it has become a snare, similar to purgatory teaching and other unbiblical teachings of demons, the trinity psychological effect has produced a mental and emotional indoctrination of traditional paganistic origins i to the spiritually adulterous religions of Christendom today; Which in essence is a poorly replicated, mimic version of Christianity by Satan the Devil; Common aphorism has taken whole of identifying it as BABYLONTHEGREAT> Revelation 17-18.
Many of the so-called theologians or religious leaders of groups, small and large rarely touch on the topic because it's spiritual conscience and its teachings are not centered around the truth but adhering to limited text shaped around isolated dogma to prove some bizarre Trinity belief.
The woman in the book of Revelation is a spiritual harlot.
This religionist culture still exists today in Christendom.
See Roman 2:24
For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you, even as it is written.
Okay guys hope that's helpful🫡
I don't quite understand this. It sounds counterintuitive. He saying that the Jehovah's witnesses use the scriptures. Are we not to use the scriptures as the authority!
And we're looking at what the scriptures say, but he's telling us we're not supposed to believe what the scripture say because of how Jehovah's witnesses may interpret them. 🤔 He says it doesn't matter what the Bible, even his ESV version. John 14:28 ESV You heard me say to you, 'I am going away, and I will come to you. ' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
I will say he does have something correct, In that going to look up Greek or other complicated words. It's really unnecessary, Jesus spoke in plain common terms and at times he used illustrations. The people who followed him ranged from various backgrounds. They were common people, housewives, fisherm and and so forth the scriptures aren't meant to be confusing, so individuals trying to put Jesus as God, when hundreds of scriptures plainly say he's the Son of God are typically the ones that go that route. Its truly not necessary.
And as one of jehovah's witnesses I will Not debate on such things. Maybe share a few scriptures. If the person disagrees, fine we share scriptures and we go our way, whether individuals believe Jehovah's witnesses Bible based beliefs or not. We encourage you all to do like we do and what we are commissioned to do by God the father and Jesus Christ.
English Standard Version
Acts 20:20 how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you in public and from house to house,
Matthew 6:9-10 Jesus says➡️After this manner therefore pray ye. Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy Kingdom come. So Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth.
So, like many of you, we are wanting the peace that is to come through the Kingdom. That's what we preach.
I believe what this gentleman is talking about is the Trinity thing, and because we don't see it in scripture and certainly it's not a word In the bible, we don't get involved with all that, but what we do, Yes, listen to Jesus. So the father figure in the Trinity Godhead, whats wrong with us worshiping Him.
At least you all will give us credit by listening to Jesus.⬇️
The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.🙏
John 1:18 KJV
No man hath seene God at any time: the onely begotten Sonne, which is in the bosome of the Father, he hath declared him.
The paul of our time God bless you
Why would I care about paul?
Don’t disrespect Paul like that. This guy is nowhere where Paul was at in his spiritually life
@@John-fs9xf who is paul and who gave him authority
This man Sam Shamoun is by far not like the apostle Paul of our time. Paul did not believed in trinity, hellfire, immortality of soul and other pagan doctrines... Paul is a true witness of Jehovah God while this man, Sam Shamoun is an advocate of lies and false doctrine of satan!
You spelt 'Saul' wrong.
you dont have to be a Jehovah witness to know Jesus is not God. Deut 6:4
Circular logic
If Yeshua was God. God does not have a God.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
You cannot kill God.
God is not a man that should he would lie. Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
If you cannot kill God and you say He is not a man because all men lie then what was Jesus again?
Hosea 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.
This is the problem of modern scriptures, they do not agree with the King James
Could it be that the KJV was doctored to favour the notion of Jesus being God?
Google 'errors in the KJV'. Plenty of hits.
@@tongakhan230 Garbage
@@tongakhan230 Right
This is what I've been trying to say, modern scriptures which pervert the word of God were retranslated by Brooke Frost westcott in Fenton Anthony John hart, who were coinciding with the Jesuits to undermine the King James. I hate trying to comment on here because every two words my microphone was to cut off
@@DianaMcFerran True, the KJV is garbage. Instead of the original words Sheol and Hades meaning "grave", hell was put in their place. A clever deception that still has people fooled! Then, other changes were made to support the trinity lie, like inserting 1 John 5:7 that wasn't found in any of the oldest manuscripts, and these:
All these verses were added to the KJV:
The verses are Matthew 17:21; 18:11; 23:14; Mark 7:16; 9:44, 46; 11:26; 15:28; Luke 17:36; 23:17; John 5:4; Acts 8:37; 15:34; 24:7; 28:29; and Romans 16:24.
Your Lying. I hope these people dont believe your BS.
Why not just take their JW Bible put alongside a KJ Bible (or other correct Bible) show them that they are different. Then go to 1 Cor 15:1-4 to show them that the ONLY way is to believe (plus nothing). If they have changed the word as you have shown they did, then they obviously DO NOT BELIEVE GOD. And BELIEVING is the ONLY WAY. Everything else is secondary.
They think King James version is heresy
It’s better to use their own source against them. Then they have no choice but to comply.
Don't forget to read James chapters 1 & 2 ..
Not forgetting John 14:12
"Most truly I say to you, whoever exercises faith in me will also do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father."
Try using the TLV ( Tree of Life) both the TANAKH and the B’rit Hadasha ( New Testament are translated from the original Hebrew. Also have them read Revelations 7 , the 144000 are from the tribes of Israel 🇮🇱, they are Levitical Priests meaning they are ALL male as well as virgins therefore they cannot be Jehovah witnesses or LDS.
@@dbboi33 .. have you researched the various listings given in the Bible of the tribes of Israel?
When you have then you'll realize that in Revelation (writing completed in 96 C.E) this is not a literal list of actual tribes - there was no tribe of Levi or of Joseph - Joseph's two sons received his inheritance and the original tribe of Levi were not given their own land but were provided living arrangements within pre-existing cities. The Revelation listing of 12 tribes is symbolic not literal - scholars know this. The Jews as a nation were finished - they have no inheritance of the kingdom - literal Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 C.E - the heavenly Jerusalem is the bride of Christ made up of 144,000 anointed Christians - they are as angels in heaven (they have no gender and no need to procreate - even though some messenger angels have been given male names ie. Gabriele)
The 144,000 represent a spiritual bride - a new creation - these have been bought from the earth and co-rule with Christ in heaven as kings over the earth - they also have priestly duties that will apply the value of the ransom to those living on earth after Armageddon.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses have identified the spiritual bride - the seed of the 'woman' mentioned in Genesis 3:15 - the prophecy sees fulfilment in Revelation with the marriage of the Lamb.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses have identified the 'faithful and discreet slave' - no other religion or church of Christendom has claimed a spirit anointed slave class - a governing body that directs God's people during the last days and establishes a global network of Christian congregations that preaches the "good news of the kingdom" to all the nations, just as Jesus foretold. - Matthew 24:14
Only Jehovah's Witnesses are identified in scripture as God's true witnesses - Isaiah 43:10-12 according to the original Hebrew manuscripts that acknowledge the divine name.
Let share it get it up to 70 000 views
Sam, please go to these college campuses to debate & show these rioters sheep how ignorant they are.
He can't do it because he has no knowledge of truth and he is the ignorant one.
Isaiah 44 and 48 and Revelation 1 prove heat Jesus is not God when one does not ignore context.
This is good teaching.
Once you prove scripture to them they have a convention and change their Bibles so arguing with Jehova’s Nit-Wits is a massive waste of time. It’s like Charleton Heston in Omega Man wrestling with the Zombie Goons trying in vain to help the unwilling..
By the way, If this guy's gonna speak in behalf.Or jesus , you think he'd dress in a more dignified way and not speak so speedily , arrogantly and harshly. It looks as though he's squeezing in this poor teaching session in before he ushers himself off to a billiards tournament.
Not saying you have to put on a suit but at least something dress casual or little bit more dignified if you claim the represent Christ.
Man looks at the outward appearance God looks at the heart 1 Sam 6:7
@@theelph100 1 Samuel 6:7?
Now, therefore, prepare one new cart with two milk cows that have never been yoked. Hitch the cows to the cart, but take their calves away and pen them up.
Please explain what you mean by 1 Sam 6:7
@@luis7961 sorry i mis-typed i meant 1 Samuel 16:7
@@theelph100 Yes. I saw it now. But does not Paul and others refute that?
@@luis7961 i have never seen a scripture where Paul specifies a dress code
I have seen the video and I have read the comments. Here's is my conclusion; We weren't meant to fully grasp this concept. This topic has just enough ambiguity to keep ALL of us engaged and searching for truth. How else would you explain all the JW's in the comment section standing firm in their belief in spite of what was said in the video? Ultimately I think the answer we all seek will be provided by Christ himself in heaven.
That being said, what are the ramifications believing or not believing that Jesus is God?
For example, the Christian vs Atheist debate has a common idiom of sorts; "If I believe in God and it turns out that he doesn't exist? No harm no foul. But if the atheist turns out to be wrong, it's fire and brimstone etc.
So what are the ramifications of Believing one way or the other for Christians and JWs regarding Jesus?
Jesus in prayer to his God Jehovah said:
John 17:3 KJV
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Eternal life hinges on KNOWING THE ONLY TRUE GOD. Then Jesus adds himself as a criteria. Thus, if people confuse God with Jesus, guess they won't be around to learn anything.
@@kitchendaughter9346 Thank you for this, I really wanted my question answered and you delivered.
@@jimjuri6490 Thank you for the response. The thing is, (and let's be real for a moment). You and I both know that there are plenty of verses that support both sets of beliefs. This video even covered a lot (but not all) of them.
So instead of you and I posting yet another verse regarding the age old debate of, "Jesus is God" / "Jesus is not God".
How about we focus on what you just said about salvation/eternal life and "KNOWING GOD". Maybe you can share some verses about THAT instead. Because ultimately salvation is the crux of all of our efforts.
My questions:
*If I know Jesus, do I know God?
*If I don't know Jesus, but I am seeking Jesus, am I also seeking God?
*If I pray to Jesus, is God listening and answering (according to His will)?
*Can I go directly to God without Jesus?
*Can I obtain salvation without Jesus?
*Is Jesus optional or required ?
Thanks and I look forward to seeing your response. These are MY questions and are not designed to be "gotcha" questions, sorry if it comes off that way.
@@kitchendaughter9346 : There is only ONE God to True Christians.
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
JWs and their Leader Jesus worship this ONE TRUR GOD Jehovah. Compare John 20:17.
Anyone who wants to contradict this and believe another version of God/gods is of course, their affair.
@@Wolfspyder5 : Jesus was the Prophet LIKE Moses promised at Deuteronomy 18;18. The one in whom God will put His words and the one who will speak what God tells him to.
Here is Jesus identifying himself as that Prophet of God.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who SENT ME has himself given me a commandment about WHAT TO SAY AND WHAT TO SPEAK. (Compare John 5:46).
God cannot be his own Prophet, surely.
We are told to listen to this Prophet or else.
(Deuteronomy 18:19) Indeed, I will require an account from the man WHO WILL NOT LISTEN to MY WORDS that HE WILL SPEAK in my name.
Listening to Jesus would logically mean listening to God.
Acts 4:12 Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is NO OTHER NAME THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN AMONG MEN by which we must get saved.”
The MAN Jesus is the one appointed by God, THROUGH whom the provision of salvation comes to humans (Compare John 3:16).
I believe all one's questions have been answered. If not, please let me know.
If God GAVE Jesus a higher position than Jesus had before, logically Jesus cannot be Almighty God. Ref Phil 2:9.
This promotion made Jesus BETTER THAN THE ANGELS.
Hebrews 1:4. KJV
Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a MORE EXCELLENT THAN THEY.
If 'Almighty God' was made better than the angels by God, guess we have a problem. Who is this God who made Jesus better than the Angels?
by inheritance, you just quoted it .... hello!? inheritance from his Father.
do you even read or read what you wanna read and skip what you dont wanna read?
you sound exactly like someone who tries to debunk the trinity but doesnt even know what it means... too scared to fall in love with your Saviour when you do read it i guess...
@@wanderlustv3840 : A HEIR is someone who will INHERIT some property AFTER the OWNER DIES. Check any dictionary.
The HEIR is appointed by the OWNER before the OWNER dies, logically.
God appointed Jesus HEIR of all things means what? Ref Hebrews 1:2.
Can the OWNER and his HEIR be one and the same individual? Give it some thought.
@@wanderlustv3840 : Is this a claim that you know what the Trinity defines?
How about sharing the definition of the Trinity with us. Then we can compare it to what the Bible teaches. Copy and paste from the Roman Catholic source if needed. It is they who came up with such a notion.
Here is a simple fact. NO ONE understands what the Trinity is. So called believers have their own opinions.
The Trinity was a fulfillment of Pauls' prophecy of twisted teachings that would creep into the Christian way of life. Acts 20:30.
Any twisted teaching cannot be comprehended with a logical mind.
Please share your own definition of the Trinity.
and to the Jews, Prov 30:4 Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His son's name? Surely you know!
Choice scripture.
Interesting point in Proverbs 30:4 and the subsequent scriptures 5-10 say⬇ KJV
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
7 Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die:
8 Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:
9 Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.
10➡ Accuse not a servant unto his master, lest he curse thee, and thou be found guilty.
We can still use all those Scriptures you Quoted Samny because Everthing must be Established by two or three wittessness...( *Deuteronomy 19:15/2 Corinthians 13:1* ) So use the KJV,/ N.I.V/ ESV to testify against there ONE corrupted Version NWT 🤔.
Excellent.
@@mattmurdock2868 Honestly that just came to me as I was watching the clip (I will admit I'm not capable of such thoughts) Praise the Spirit of Truth JESUS promised to Send 🕊️❤️❤️❤️🕊️
KJV 1611 Psalm 83:⬇
16Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.
17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:
18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
KJV Deuteronomy 13
1If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD (Jehovah) your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD(Jehovah) your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
KJV Jeremiah 23:
26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
27 Which think to cause my people to forget my NAME by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.⬅
BAAL is one of the early forms of this god(s) concept. It also made its way into Egypt➡(Father God Osiris, the Mother Goddess Isis, and the Son Horus)
BAAL demonism also made its way into India➡(Hindu gods: Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer)
BAAL spiritism rebranded this demonic concept into Greece & Rome in the Hellenistic Period, or Hellenism; those demonic concepts
were ushered in the Greek version of the trinity god(s)➡Greek Olympic triad of Zeus (king of the gods), Athena (goddess of war and intellect) and Apollo (god of the sun, culture and music. And then the Roman version trinity god(s)➡ Jupiter (protector of the state), Juno (protector of women) and Minerva (goddess of craft and wisdom).
BAAL lastly was deployed into Catholicism The belief in the Holy Trinity was officially agreed upon by church leaders, from the Roman Empire, at the Council of Nicea in the year 325 CE. Roman Emperor Constantine called for the meeting of church leaders in order to settle disputes among them. They had 6 more of these type of councils over 1800 years or so.
BAAL demonism into Roman & Orthodox in this form➡The trinity represents the belief that God is of one Being made up of three distinct Persons who exist in co-equal, co-eternal communion as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
KJV 1611 Revelation 17:1👇
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration
So as you know the word trinity does Not exist in the Bible. But its re-branded satanic god concepts do.
ASV 1Corinthians 10:
19 What say I then? that a thing sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything?
20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have communion with demons.
21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of demons: ye cannot partake of the table of the Lord, and of the table of demons.
22 Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
23 All things are lawful; but not all things are expedient. All things are lawful; but not all things edify.
24 Let no man seek his own, but each his neighbor’s good🙏
Your request➡ Deuteronomy 19:15/2 Corinthians 13:1 ) So use the KJV,/ N.I.V/ ESV to testify against there ONE corrupted Version NWT!
With all the versions that you mentioned above, which version is corrupt to the ESV? And so who are the human beings that have the best and
perfect Bible? And how about you sample this one example from the ESV to the KJV 1611, 1ST John 5:7
In concluding Proverbs 30:⬇
4Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists?
who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth?
what is HIS NAME, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words(like trinity), lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
7 Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die:
8 Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:
9 Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.
10 Accuse not a servant unto his master, lest he curse thee, and thou be found guilty.
11 There is a generation that curseth their father......
Acts 28:22⬇
But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect (cult), we know that every where it is spoken against.
@@KingdomMight 😂 *Proverbs 30:4/John 3:13* His Name Is Yeshua *John 17:11* Blessed Be the Name Of Yeshua Ha-MaShiach the Name Above ALL NAMES @ The Name of Yeshua every Knee with Bow in Heaven & On Earth & beneath the Earth & Every Tongue will *CONFESS YESHUA IS LORD* to The Honour if Our GOD *Isaiah 45:23 / Philippians 2:10-11* 🙏❤️❤️❤️🙏
@@KingdomMight Those that Blasphemy against *GOD HOLY SPIRIT* will not be forgiven in this Life or the Life to Come 📖 *Mark 3:28-29 / Matthew 12:31-32* 📖
Sam Shamoun you litterally lied it is there read the footnotes of NIV relating manuscripts Footnotes
Acts 20:28 Many manuscripts of the Lord
Acts 20:28 Or with the blood of his own Son
It wouldn't be the first time he does that. But that will slide, because his followers will never take the time to actually look up if what he says is really true.
I have heard him claim the most crazy things and still people are clapping. This is their guru, and sadly what the guru says, goes.
Here are a few example of how we see “his own” which is “idios” used and implied in scripture. See the context. John 1:11, “His own [people]. John 13:1, “His own [disciples]. John 19:27, “His own [home]. 1 Timothy 5:8, “His own [family]. Acts 4:23, “His own” what? Brothers. Acts 21:6, “His own” what? Families. Acts 24:23, “His own” what? Friends.
And in Acts 28:20, “His own” what? None other than God’s beloved Son.
Easy to see unless we have been conditioned to think otherwise by guys like Sam.
The term "The First and the Last" applies both to Jehovah God and to his Son, Jesus, but with different meanings. Consider two examples.
● At Isaiah 44:6, Jehovah says: “I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.” Here Jehovah highlights that he is the everlasting true God; besides him, there is no other. (Deuteronomy 4:35, 39) In this case, then, the expression “the first and the last” has the same meaning as “the Alpha and the Omega.”
● Additionally, the term “the First [pro’tos, not alpha] and the Last [e’skha·tos, not omega]” occurs at Revelation 1:17, 18 and 2:8. In these verses, the context shows that the one referred to died and later returned to life. Thus, these verses cannot refer to God because he has never died. (Habakkuk 1:12) However, Jesus died and was resurrected. (Acts 3:13-15) He was the first human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life in heaven, where he now lives “forever and ever.” (Revelation 1:18; Colossians 1:18) Jesus is the one who performs all resurrections thereafter. (John 6:40, 44) Therefore, he was the last one to be resurrected directly by Jehovah. (Acts 10:40) In this sense, Jesus can properly be called “the First and the Last.”
TLDR.
Yep ...
All good points ....
And even beyond this, since Christ's words at Rev. 1:17 and 2:8 were recorded by John in Greek. Then they should match the readings in the Greek LXX at those Isaiah passages if Jesus is indeed quoting from there.
But none of them really do as the Hebrew Masoretic text and the Greek LXX readings differ on the titles at all those verses in Isaiah.
Also of note, is that we honestly can't even be completely certain Jesus ever said "I am the first and last" at Rev. 1:17 and 2:8!
Because one of the great uncial manuscripts, the 5th cent. CE Codex Alexandrinus (or "Codex A"). Which reputedly contains the best textual witness that exist today for the book of Revelation. Does not read "I am the first and last" at those verses. But "I am the firstborn and the last."
So we can't be sure of what title Jesus originally used there to begin with. ....
What's the name of the Holy Spirit? Jesus is the son, but he's also the Father-Jehovah?🙅 Where's the scripture that says "God the Son" or "Son the God" or "Holy Spirit God Son of Jesus"🙆♂
John 8;23
he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
🙏Well said
Well done and well said
2:20 : Anyway all the English translations are wrong even the NWT, when they say "only-begotten God" because the Greek Word is not "God" but "Son" : the verse should literally be read : "the only-begotten Son who is *in* *the* *bosom* of the Father". Not even "in the arms", but "in the bosom", which is stronger as far as the deep meaning of this verse is concerned.
There is another verse not mentioned in this video : *Colossians* *2:* *9* speaks about Jesus :
NKJV : "For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily"
NWT : "because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine *quality* dwells bodily" : You notice the word *"quality"* has been added because you can have the "quality" of something without being this thing in essence, you can look like a thing without being this thing in essence, so here the JWs want you to believe that Jesus has the "quality" of God, but is not God in his very essence !
BUT, if you look at the JW's interlinear Greek translation, it reads :
ἐν αὐτῷ κατοικεῖ πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος σωματικῶς,
In him is dwelling all the fulness of the divinity bodily"
So, the JW's interlinear greek translation doesn't have the word "quality" added because it is NOT in the Greek !!
We've just proven the NWT wrong and twisted once more....
"Sam is either stupid, ignorant, or dishonest. You want to help J.W., and the way you want to help them is to misinterpret what they believe and why, and with dishonest arguments." got it, yeah guy don't embarrass yourself, Sam has done it for all of you, what a joke
You accuse Sam of being stupid (lack of intellectual ability), ignorant (lacking in correct facts), or dishonest (lacking in moral character in telling the truth), and misinterpretting what JWs believe. Then for evidence you present………NOTHING……let me repeat……NOTHING. So, your objections have NOTHING OF VALUE to support them.
@rogerlau4932 You don't know Sam the way I do. Sam has been debating J.W. for over 20 years. He knows he's lying and misrepresenting them, and you are now more misguided because you listen to him.
I doubt this will make any difference to you or people following Sam, Trinitarian nut jobs in general. It doesn't matter for most people; they are going to believe not according to evidence but according to what they want to believe. Sam is a vessel for confirmation bias. Let's dive into that.
I will break down a single point for you, and if you don't collapse completely, then I'll address all the other silly claims Sam made. How does that sound?
Sam says that the N.W.T. suffers from lowercase god syndrome. Sam is completely mistaken; he suffers from a functional misunderstanding.
J.W. are correct about John 1:1, which is no longer a debate. The debate ended over 100 years ago. It's funny how Sam, now Catholic, doesn't accept the Catholic scholar's position, which has admitted the Jehovah's Witness translation of John 1:1 is correct. But he can't, huh? He's a tool.
Here is a Catholic link that admits so
catholicnick.blogspot.com/2010/06/jws-are-correct-about-john-11-jesus-is.html
Then you have the early Church Fathers' views of Christ that support the J.W. rendering:
Justin Martyr (c. 100 - c. 165 AD): Justin Martyr was an early Christian apologist and philosopher. In his works, especially in his "First Apology" and "Dialogue with Trypho," Justin interprets the Logos (Word) as a divine being distinct from God the Father but closely associated with Him. He refers to the Logos as the "first-begotten" of God and as a divine intermediary between God and humanity.
Clement of Alexandria (c. 150 - c. 215 AD): Clement of Alexandria was a Christian theologian who emphasized the role of the Logos in the universe and in human salvation. He viewed the Logos as the divine principle of reason and wisdom through which God created and sustains the world. Clement's writings suggest that he saw the Logos as a divine being, distinct from but closely related to God.
Origen (c. 184 - c. 253 AD): Origen was a highly influential Christian theologian and scholar. He interpreted John 1:1 in his works, such as "De Principiis" and his commentaries on the Gospel of John, as indicating the pre-existence and divinity of the Logos. Origen believed that the Logos was a divine being, begotten by God the Father before all creation and that the Logos played a central role in God's plan for salvation. In his commentary on John 1:1, Origen emphasizes the pre-existence and divine status of the Word, suggesting a qualitative understanding of the verse, as Jehovah's Witnesses do.
It's worth knowing that the translation that renders the sons of God as gods or that supports Sons of God theology is not unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. That's what the Jews believed (Psalms 8:5, Psalms 82:6, 1 Corinthians 8:5, 2 Corinthians 4:4). All the sons of God are gods, whether they are good or bad; they existed in the same form as the Father. Trinitarians changed the meaning of nature and essence to mean Trinity. That's not how these words were used or understood by the writers of the scriptures. You and I share the same nature; we're both humans, but not the same being, aren't we? Humans make humans; the sons of God are gods, and God is described as spirit (John 4:24). God's sons are described in the same way; He makes them spirit (Psalm 104:4). You can disagree all you want, but Jehovah's Witnesses base their beliefs on the most ancient understanding of the scriptures. Do you think Sam, in all his knowledge, doesn't know these facts?
Let me ask you again, is Sam stupid, ignorant, or dishonest?
I need you to understand that there is a difference between people who sincerely believe in the Trinity. I worship alongside Trinitarians all the time. They are beautiful Christians, God-fearing people with incredible devotion. I disagree with them, but I love them, and they are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I don't believe we are saved because we have accurate knowledge of metaphysics. You took this comment personally; it wasn't about you. I don't know you; you may be a great guy. I don't agree with J.W. on salvation teachings, which is much more important than the Trinity. The Trinity is never a matter of salvation; nowhere do we see that unless we believe that Jesus is God Almighty, we are not saved. These are empty arguments, and how is misrepresenting J.W. going to help them? It doesn't. It does the opposite. Most J.W. know Sam is lying; it reinforces their beliefs. They can be wrong, and they are on many doctrinal teachings. That doesn't mean they are wrong about everything. They are not. The Devil can't deceive people using only lies, my friend.
Here are more translations that support J.W. rendering of John 1:1:
An American Translation (Smith-Goodspeed): the Word was divine
The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures: the Word was a god.
The New Testament in Modern Speech (Richard Francis Weymouth): the word was "divine."
The New Testament: A Translation (David Bentley Hart): the Logos was god.
The New Testament: A Translation (Charles A. Anderson Hayes): the Word was divine.
The problem is not the J.W. Trinitarian scholars have tampered with translations, confusing people. Your rendering of John 1:1 is grammatically impossible.
If anything, you now know people have reasons. Are you going to be another Sam, or are you going to stand up for the truth? Like I said, I disagree with J.W. on many topics, but I don't need to mischaracterize them to prove my point. The truth needs no lies
@@rogerlau4932 You don't know Sam the way I do. Sam has been debating J.W. for over 20 years. He knows he's lying and misrepresenting them, and you are now more misguided because you listen to him.
I doubt this will make any difference to you or people following Sam, Trinitarian nut jobs in general. It doesn't matter for most people; they are going to believe not according to evidence but according to what they want to believe. Sam is a vessel for confirmation bias. Let's dive into that.
I will break down a single point for you, and if you don't collapse completely, then I'll address all the other silly claims Sam made. How does that sound?
Sam says that the N.W.T. suffers from lowercase god syndrome. Sam is completely mistaken; he suffers from a functional misunderstanding.
J.W. are correct about John 1:1, which is no longer a debate. The debate ended over 100 years ago. It's funny how Sam, not being Catholic, doesn't accept the Catholic scholar's position, which has admitted the Jehovah's Witness translation of John 1:1 is correct. But he can't, huh? He's a tool.
Here is a Catholic link that admits so: Catholic Nick.
Then you have the early Church Fathers' views of Christ that support the J.W. rendering:
Justin Martyr (c. 100 - c. 165 AD): Justin Martyr was an early Christian apologist and philosopher. In his works, especially in his "First Apology" and "Dialogue with Trypho," Justin interprets the Logos (Word) as a divine being distinct from God the Father but closely associated with Him. He refers to the Logos as the "first-begotten" of God and as a divine intermediary between God and humanity.
Clement of Alexandria (c. 150 - c. 215 AD): Clement of Alexandria was a Christian theologian who emphasized the role of the Logos in the universe and in human salvation. He viewed the Logos as the divine principle of reason and wisdom through which God created and sustains the world. Clement's writings suggest that he saw the Logos as a divine being, distinct from but closely related to God.
Origen (c. 184 - c. 253 AD): Origen was a highly influential Christian theologian and scholar. He interpreted John 1:1 in his works, such as "De Principiis" and his commentaries on the Gospel of John, as indicating the pre-existence and divinity of the Logos. Origen believed that the Logos was a divine being, begotten by God the Father before all creation and that the Logos played a central role in God's plan for salvation. In his commentary on John 1:1, Origen emphasizes the pre-existence and divine status of the Word, suggesting a qualitative understanding of the verse, as Jehovah's Witnesses do.
It's worth knowing that the translation that renders the sons of God as gods or that supports Sons of God theology is not unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. That's what the Jews believed (Psalms 8:5, Psalms 82:6, 1 Corinthians 8:5, 2 Corinthians 4:4). All the sons of God are gods, whether they are good or bad; they existed in the same form as the Father. Trinitarians changed the meaning of nature or essence to mean Trinity. That's not how these words were used or understood by the writers of the scriptures. You and I share the same nature; we're both humans, but not the same being, aren't we? Humans make humans; the sons of God are gods, and God is described as spirit (John 4:24). God's sons are described in the same way; He makes them spirit (Psalm 104:4). You can disagree all you want, but Jehovah's Witnesses base their beliefs on the most ancient understanding of the scriptures. Do you think Sam, in all his knowledge, doesn't know these facts?
Let me ask you again, is Sam stupid, ignorant, or dishonest? I need you to understand that there is a difference between people who sincerely believe in the Trinity. I worship alongside Trinitarians all the time. They are beautiful Christians, God-fearing people with incredible devotion. I disagree with them, but I love them, and they are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I don't believe we are saved because we have accurate knowledge of metaphysics. You took this comment personally; it wasn't about you. I don't know you; you may be a great guy. I don't agree with J.W. on salvation teachings, which is much more important than the Trinity. The Trinity is never a matter of salvation; nowhere do we see that unless we believe that Jesus is God Almighty, we are not saved. These are empty arguments, and how is misrepresenting J.W. going to help them? It doesn't. It does the opposite. Most J.W. know Sam is lying; it reinforces their beliefs. They can be wrong, and they are on many doctrinal teachings. That doesn't mean they are wrong about everything. They are not. The Devil can't deceive people using only lies, my friend.
Here are more translations that support J.W. rendering of John 1:1:
An American Translation (Smith-Goodspeed): the Word was divine
The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures: the Word was a god.
The New Testament in Modern Speech (Richard Francis Weymouth): the word was "divine."
The New Testament: A Translation (David Bentley Hart): the Logos was god.
The New Testament: A Translation (Charles A. Anderson Hayes): the Word was divine.
The problem is not the J.W. Trinitarian scholars have tampered with translations, confusing people. Your rendering of John 1:1 is grammatically impossible.
If anything, you now know people have reasons. Are you going to be another Sam, or are you going to stand up for the truth? Like I said, I disagree with J.W. on many topics, but I don't need to mischaracterize them to prove my point. The truth needs no lies.
@@rogerlau4932 You don't know Sam the way I do. Sam has been debating J.W. for over
20 years. He knows he's lying and misrepresenting them, and you are
now more misguided because you listen to him.
I doubt this will make any difference to you or people following Sam,
Trinitarian nut jobs in general. It doesn't matter for most people;
they are going to believe not according to evidence but according to
what they want to believe. Sam is a vessel for confirmation bias.
Let's dive into that.
I will break down a single point for you, and if you don't collapse
completely, then I'll address all the other silly claims Sam made. How
does that sound?
Sam says that the N.W.T. suffers from lowercase god syndrome. Sam is
completely mistaken; he suffers from a functional misunderstanding.
J.W. are correct about John 1:1, which is no longer a debate. The
debate ended over 100 years ago. It's funny how Sam, not being
Catholic, doesn't accept the Catholic scholar's position, which has
admitted the Jehovah's Witness translation of John 1:1 is correct. But
he can't, huh? He's a tool.
Here is a Catholic link that admits so: Catholic Nick.
Then you have the early Church Fathers' views of Christ that support
the J.W. rendering:
Justin Martyr (c. 100 - c. 165 AD): Justin Martyr was an early
Christian apologist and philosopher. In his works, especially in his
"First Apology" and "Dialogue with Trypho," Justin interprets the
Logos (Word) as a divine being distinct from God the Father but
closely associated with Him. He refers to the Logos as the
"first-begotten" of God and as a divine intermediary between God and
humanity.
Clement of Alexandria (c. 150 - c. 215 AD): Clement of Alexandria was
a Christian theologian who emphasized the role of the Logos in the
universe and in human salvation. He viewed the Logos as the divine
principle of reason and wisdom through which God created and sustains
the world. Clement's writings suggest that he saw the Logos as a
divine being, distinct from but closely related to God.
Origen (c. 184 - c. 253 AD): Origen was a highly influential Christian
theologian and scholar. He interpreted John 1:1 in his works, such as
"De Principiis" and his commentaries on the Gospel of John, as
indicating the pre-existence and divinity of the Logos. Origen
believed that the Logos was a divine being, begotten by God the Father
before all creation and that the Logos played a central role in God's
plan for salvation. In his commentary on John 1:1, Origen emphasizes
the pre-existence and divine status of the Word, suggesting a
qualitative understanding of the verse, as Jehovah's Witnesses do.
It's worth knowing that the translation that renders the sons of God
as gods or that supports Sons of God theology is not unique to
Jehovah's Witnesses. That's what the Jews believed (Psalms 8:5, Psalms
82:6, 1 Corinthians 8:5, 2 Corinthians 4:4). All the sons of God are
gods, whether they are good or bad; they existed in the same form as
the Father. Trinitarians changed the meaning of nature or essence to
mean Trinity. That's not how these words were used or understood by
the writers of the scriptures. You and I share the same nature; we're
both humans, but not the same being, aren't we? Humans make humans;
the sons of God are gods, and God is described as spirit (John 4:24).
God's sons are described in the same way; He makes them spirit (Psalm
104:4). You can disagree all you want, but Jehovah's Witnesses base
their beliefs on the most ancient understanding of the scriptures. Do
you think Sam, in all his knowledge, doesn't know these facts?
Let me ask you again, is Sam stupid, ignorant, or dishonest? I need
you to understand that there is a difference between people who
sincerely believe in the Trinity. I worship alongside Trinitarians all
the time. They are beautiful Christians, God-fearing people with
incredible devotion. I disagree with them, but I love them, and they
are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I don't believe we are saved
because we have accurate knowledge of metaphysics. You took this
comment personally; it wasn't about you. I don't know you; you may be
a great guy. I don't agree with J.W. on salvation teachings, which is
much more important than the Trinity. The Trinity is never a matter of
salvation; nowhere do we see that unless we believe that Jesus is God
Almighty, we are not saved. These are empty arguments, and how is
misrepresenting J.W. going to help them? It doesn't. It does the
opposite. Most J.W. know Sam is lying; it reinforces their beliefs.
They can be wrong, and they are on many doctrinal teachings. That
doesn't mean they are wrong about everything. They are not. The Devil
can't deceive people using only lies, my friend.
Here are more translations that support J.W. rendering of John 1:1:
An American Translation (Smith-Goodspeed): the Word was divine
The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures: the Word was a god.
The New Testament in Modern Speech (Richard Francis Weymouth): the
word was "divine."
The New Testament: A Translation (David Bentley Hart): the Logos was god.
The New Testament: A Translation (Charles A. Anderson Hayes): the Word
was divine.
The problem is not the J.W. Trinitarian scholars have tampered with
translations, confusing people. Your rendering of John 1:1 is
grammatically impossible.
If anything, you now know people have reasons. Are you going to be
another Sam, or are you going to stand up for the truth? Like I said,
I disagree with J.W. on many topics, but I don't need to
mischaracterize them to prove my point. The truth needs no lies.
@@rogerlau4932 You don't know Sam the way I do. Sam has been debating J.W. for over
20 years. He knows he's lying and misrepresenting them, and you are
now more misguided because you listen to him.
I doubt this will make any difference to you or people following Sam,
Trinitarian nut jobs in general. It doesn't matter for most people;
they are going to believe not according to evidence but according to
what they want to believe. Sam is a vessel for confirmation bias.
Let's dive into that.
I will break down a single point for you, and if you don't collapse
completely, then I'll address all the other silly claims Sam made. How
does that sound?
Sam says that the N.W.T. suffers from lowercase god syndrome. Sam is
completely mistaken; he suffers from a functional misunderstanding.
J.W. are correct about John 1:1, which is no longer a debate. The
debate ended over 100 years ago. It's funny how Sam, not being
Catholic, doesn't accept the Catholic scholar's position, which has
admitted the Jehovah's Witness translation of John 1:1 is correct. But
he can't, huh? He's a tool.
Here is a Catholic link that admits so: Catholic Nick.
John 10:36 Jesus replied you accuse me of blasphemy because i say i am the SON OF GOD
So your John 10:33 interpratation is in error just like Pharisees who kept insisting Jesus was calling himself God, so do you people.
John 1:18 ill let St Irenaeous refute you all on this one.
Acts 20:28 Gods blood meaning His Sons blood. Think about the context of ones blood. Jesus had Davids blood but he did not have Korahs blood.
Titus is speaking if 2 persons.
Phillipians 2:9 Jehovahs name is higher than Jesus'. Does Jesus NOT have a Father he worships? He dies John 20:17.
Colossians 1:15-17 again ill let St Irenaeous refute you all. For it Jehovah THROUGH His Word (Jesus) that created all things. To disregard Jehovahs part in this is disrespecring the very Father Jesus came to teach us about.
Alpha/Omega with Jesus being the first created he would be Alpha and Omega of creation would he not? This does not prove Jesus is Jehovah.
Question is when did Jehovah change His name to Jesus?
Directly from their own bible, the New World Translation: John 10:30 "I and the father are one"
😂 and does it say one being?
“ I am the LORD, and there is none else, *there is no God beside me* : I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:” Isaiah 45:5
“ See now that I, even I, am he, *and there is no god with me* I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.” Deut 32:39
“ Thus shall ye say unto them, *The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens* .” Jeremiah 10:11
Proof that Jesus is not “a god” because He has been with the Father for eternity and God says there is no little g God with Him.
“ Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens *alone* ; that spreadeth abroad the earth *by myself* ” Isaiah 44:24
God says He created the universe on His own, by Himself and yet the Bible tells us Jesus is the Creator of all things. Proof that Jesus and the Father are co-eternal, co-existant, one and the same yet distinct 💛
John 10:30 of one mind
The Bible often calls Jesus “the Son of God.” (John 1:49) The expression “Son of God” acknowledges that God is the Creator, or Source, of all life, including that of Jesus. Psalm 36:9; Revelation 4:11
God created Jesus before he created anything else. Regarding Jesus, the Bible says:
“He is . . . the firstborn of all creation.”-Colossians 1:15.
He is “the beginning of the creation by God.”-Revelation 3:14.
Jesus fulfilled the prophecy about the one “whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago.”-Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:4-6.
@@faustinem9071 again in Isaiah, "I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to anyone else, nor share my praise with carved idols." and Yeshua shares glory with the Father...
Directly from the King James John 17:21:
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
So based on your assertion at
John 10:30 "I and the father are one"
Then when Jesus says in John 17:21
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:
Does that mean that we are Gods too?
Rhetorically speaking, of course we are not Gods, Jesus is simply saying that being united in the faith, religious ambitions or cause.
And too notice at the end of John 17:21. what Jesus says-
"that the world may believe that thou hast sent me"
Sounds like Jesus wants us to know that God sent him. ✍🙏
I want to let you know that this text Acts 20:28 can absolutely be understood in two different ways. One way is to view the last two words "his own" as referring to "His (God's) blood" and the other way is to view "his own" as an ellipsis referring to another person who is "his own." Which we know, of course, can be none other than His Son Jesus. This is the basis for the rendering "the blood of his [Son]."
Many, many Trinitarian "scholars" admit this. Some like this detractor doesn’t want you to know the full truth. So he hides it.
Anyway, I spoke with a professor at Pacific Rim Bible College in Hawaii named Gary Manning. He has a PHD in New Testament studies, and in Biblical languages and textual criticism. When discussing Acts 20:28 with him he wrote me this:
“The passage in Acts is interesting, and can be read as "purchased with his own [God's] blood." But as you point out, another legitimate reading is "purchased with the blood of his own [son]," since the Greek word idios (= "his own") can function either as a noun or adjective. I tried to favor such a translation there.”
Renowned Trinitarian Bruce Metzger well realized that this passage is best understood as a possessive genitive. The one whose blood purchased the congregation belonged to God.
Bruce Metzger explains: "This absolute use of idios is found in Greek papyri as a term of endearment referring to near relatives. It is possible, therefore, that 'his Own' (o idios) was a title that early Christians gave to Jesus, comparable to 'the Beloved' (o agaphtos); compare Ro[mans] 8.32, where Paul refers to God 'who did not spare tou idiou uiou' in a context that clearly alludes to G[e]n[esis] 22.16, where the Septuagint has agaphtou uiou."
Metzger, B. M. A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament. 2nd ed. (Stuttgart: United Bible Societies, 1971.), 426.
That is why many respected Trinitarian Bible translations will fairly offer this legitimate alternative translation or rendering. For example, check out the footnote in the NIV Study Bible.
"his own blood. Lit. 'the blood of his own one,' a term of endearment (such as 'his own dear one') referring to His own Son."
This is actually more in harmony with the rest of the Bible which combines to say what 1 John 1:7 tells us, " the blood of Jesus His (God's) Son cleanse us from all sin." (NASB)
Plus the fact that Jesus pointed out that God is an unchanged SPIRIT being. John 4:24. A SPIRIT being has no blood.
@@tongakhan230 Good point as always
Well said, but there's one other important thing regarding the use of Greek that you left out. It is the phrase "the church of God" around which translation revolves.
1) "the church of God" is found in Greek manuscripts Sinaiticus (350 AD), Vaticanus (350 AD), Syriac manuscripts and other later Greek ones.
2) "the church of the Lord" is found in Greek manuscripts Alexandrinus (425 AD), Ephraemi (600s AD), Bezae (700 AD), p74 (800s AD) and other later ones.
"the church of God, which he purchased with 'the blood of his own'." shows it's God's blood.
"the church of the Lord, which he purchased with 'the blood of his own'." shows it
s either God's or Jesus's blood.
The older texts support "God's blood" as a viable translation, and I don't think the JWs try to use the later texts of "the Lord's blood" as supportive evidence. So they try to engineer an argument based on "possible" alternate understandings of "idiou" to leverage "the blood of his own Son" as the only legitimate translation option.
Well done on your research. I just wanted to make others aware of the other textual variant of "the church of the Lord" that might come up in discussions.
@@rogerlau4932
Thanks for taking time to make those expressions. Yes it wouldn’t matter to us if it was Lord’s blood since Jesus is called Lord in scripture. And yet saying congregation of God doesn’t mean it’s God’s blood.
That’s why my focus in my comment was “his own” which is “idios” used and implied in scripture. See the context. John 1:11, “His own [people]. John 13:1, “His own [disciples]. John 19:27, “His own [home]. 1 Timothy 5:8, “His own [family]. Acts 21:6, “His own” what? Families. Acts 24:23, “His own” what? Friends.
Acts 4:23, “And being let go, they went to their own company, and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them.”-KJV
His own” what? Company.
Acts 28:20, “His own” what? None other than God’s beloved Son.
Again, it was common in Koine Greek to use the word "own" in this respect and leave the reader to understand what is implied but not stated. The Implied Meaning is what the writer expects the reader to understand. We can see plainly that there is nothing unusual about first century Greek writers using the word idios ("own") without an accompanying noun and that an idea was simply implied and expected to be understood by the reader.
In fact, we can see from the above evidences in Acts that Luke himself has a habit of writing this way. He does the very same thing four times in this same book of Acts. In each and every case, we are are left to infer what the word "own" intends to imply to us.
Again, thanks for your comment.
@@rogerlau4932 : Jesus clearly tells us that God is a SPIRIT (John 4:24). That rules Jesus out from being God.
A SPIRIT being has NO BLOOD.
Logically, God was purchasing the Christian Congregation with the value of the shed blood of his SON. Ref Acts 20:28.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Jesus is in charge of the Congregation of God. He being the HEAD. However, the Congregation belongs to God. Jesus' head.
1 Corinthians 1:2 to the CONGREGATION OF GOD that is in Corinth, to you who have been sanctified in union with Christ Jesus, called to be holy ones, together with all those everywhere who are calling on the name of OUR LORD Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:
Thats good you understand.
Im talking about the millions of Catholic and Protestants that have never even heard or seen "Jehovah" in there Bibles.
If a normal Bible reader read Psalm 110:1...how could they know who LORD is unless someone explained it?
If you don't believe me...just go ask a random Christian what is Gods name.
They'll probably say Jesus or, "i didnt know God had a name."
Malachi 1:11
Proverbs 18:10 - If Gods name is so important, why remove it?
It's funny how some say the NWT changed things. And yet, most bibles have the audacity to remove the most important name in the Bible...the author himself!
But we are Jehovah's Witnesses - Isaiah 43:10
We bear witness to Him and who He is, as did our Lord Jesus, the faithful and true witness - Rev 3:14
God will not allow his name to be lost in time. For he has chosen a people to make him known! - Acts 15:14.
Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! - 2 Cor 1:3
"For this reason I bend my knees to the Father, to whom every family in heaven and on earth owes its name!" - Eph 3:15
Amen!
Well said Aaron. By removing the divine Name Jehovah all it did was add more confusion to them and dishonors God. They pretend JW’s are just going about adding and removing words but the truth is guys like Sam never accurately reveal the full truth. They just want to try to put down and make them selves look wise and smart and “embarrass”. Oh my! Paul said we are nothing without love. But oh well, the Bible says it would be that way with ridiculers.
🤣🤣🤣 he had to change his argument! St Irenaeus got it.
But since these men delight i attcking us, and in their true character of cavillers assail us with points which really tell not at all against us, bringing forward i opposition to us a multitude of parables and (captious) questions. I have thought it well, on the other side, first of all to put to them the following inquires concerning their own doctrines, to exhibit their improbability, and to put an end to their audacity. After this has been done, (I intend) to bring forward the discourses of the Lord, so that they may not only be rendered destitute of the means of attacking us, but that, aince they will be unable reasonably to reply to those questions which are put, they may see that their plan of argument is destroyed; so that, either returning to the truth, and humbling themselves, and ceasing from their multifarious phantasies, they may propitiate God for those blasphemies they uttered against Him, and obtain salvation; or that, if they srill persevere in that systrm of vainglory which has taken possession of their minds, THEY MAY AT LEAST FIND IT NECESSARY TO CHANGE THEIR ARGUMENT AGAINST US.
Guess who's changing their argument.
Thank you Sam ...Jesus Bless you
John 5:31-39
31 "If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. 32 There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true. 33 You have sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth. 34 Yet I do not receive testimony from man, but I say these things that you may be saved. 35 He was the burning and shining lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light. 36 But I have a greater witness than John's; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish--the very works that I do--bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me. 37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. 38 But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. 39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
TRINITY ROOTS a short historical sampling.
Babylon: TRINITY
Nimrod, Tammuz and Samiramis
BABYLON is the start of variuos Trinity worshiping. See> Genesis (10:8-12, 11:1-9)
In Ancient Egypt: TRINITY
The Egyptian trinity is a group of three deities that includes Asar, Aset, and Heru:.
In India 🇮🇳: TRINITY
It is often said that there is a trinity of Hindu gods: Brahma, the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer. But while Vishnu and Shiva have followers and temples all over India, Brahma is not worshiped as a major deity.
In Ancient Rome: TRINITY
The Capitoline Triad was a group of three deities who were worshipped in ancient Roman religion in an elaborate temple on Rome's Capitoline Hill (Latin Capitolium). It comprised Jupiter, Juno and Minerva. The triad held a central place in the public religion of Rome
Greece: TRINITY
The Olympian demiurgic triad in platonic philosophy was made up of Zeus (considered the Zeus [king of the gods] of the Heavens), Poseidon (Zeus of the seas) and Pluto/Hades (Zeus of the underworld
The legend and trinity gods have always been false gods. At various times in the bible, the Baal gods were trinity gods.
See Jeremiah 23:
26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies, even the prophets of the deceit of their own heart?
27 that think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbor, as their fathers forgat my name for Baal.
Baal is also mentioned as Bel in older Hebrew text-Triune god concepts from demons.
The demons in the spirit realm have a way of shaping this into certain societies and cultures. It's often re branded as you can see, because one culture will not accept another culture's version of the trinity. The modern day trinits iteration that exist in Christendom today is heavily influenced by greek mythology.
And the modern day Trinity has its roots in Greek mythology. The Hellenistic period was coming to an end about 150 years or so after Christ death, later Satan ushered in slowly
the version of trinity into the early church fathers of Christendom 325AD.
formally ratified at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The Holy Spirit was included at the First Council of Constantinople (381 AD), where the relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one substance (ousia) and three co-equal persons (hypostaseis) was formally ratified. And later, one of 5 more of the State/Government approved doctrines of these church father meetings took place in Ephesus. I think were at about 7 hese ecumenical councils meetings but it taken place about four hundred years or so for the trinity doctrine to become state approved by the various roman emperors. In short, before I go into much more, the current version of the trinity that exist in Christendom is just a reformatted, re-branded or more sophisticated version of the
Trinity, rebooted iteration with the Father- Son-Holy Spirit concept.
Over time, it has become a snare, similar to purgatory teaching and other unbiblical teachings of demons, the trinity psychological effect has produced a mental and emotional indoctrination of traditional paganistic origins i to the spiritually adulterous religions of Christendom today; Which in essence is a poorly replicated, mimic version of Christianity by Satan the Devil; Common aphorism has taken whole of identifying it as BABYLONTHEGREAT> Revelation 17-18.
Many of the so-called theologians or religious leaders of groups, small and large rarely touch on the topic because it's spiritual conscience and its teachings are not centered around the truth but adhering to limited text shaped around isolated dogma to prove some bizarre Trinity belief.
The woman in the book of Revelation is a spiritual harlot.
This religionist culture still exists today in Christendom.
See Roman 2:24
For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you, even as it is written.
Okay guys hope that's helpful🫡
John 8:58 - Although Jesus has not always existed like the Father, he was the firstborn of all creation and did exist before Abraham and really all creatures. God the Father used Jesus to create all things (Proverbs 8:22; Colossians 1:15,16) Therefore this statement is true.
John 17:5 - Before coming to earth as a lowly human, Jesus had the glory of which belongs to an “only begotten Son.” - John 1:14
Jesus was a powerful spirit being, Gods Son, 2nd and subject only to the only true God, the Father.
“I am the First and the Last” - While it’s true both the Father and Son (Jehovah and Jesus) have this title…the Bible makes it clear they have it for different reasons:
Isaiah 44:6 - Jehovah, the Father, is the First and Last ‘God’. Hence the end of the verse, “there is no god but me.” The Israelites had no idea who the “Son” was when Isaiah wrote these words so to them it would have no other meaning than this.
Revelation 1:17 & Revelation 2:8 - Notice in both these verses, Jesus is called “The First and Last” in reference to his ‘Resurrection’ from the dead.
Jesus is the First and Last man to be resurrection by God the Father’s own hand. All others will now be resurrected by the Son - John 6:40; John 6:44; John 14:6
Jesus is now the “mediator” to God and to Life. He is truly the resurrection & the life. No man can be a child of the Father except “through” Jesus.
In summary, Jesus is not God. Rather, Jesus the “mediator” to God, his Father and ours. - 1 Corinthians 8:6
Praise be Jehovah the only true God-our Father!
And praised be his Christ-our Lord and king Jesus!
May you find truth brother.
Amen! Thank you for sharing! Jesus is LORD and SAVIOUR!
No Jesus is not LORD. See Psalm 110:1. Who is the first LORD? That would he Jehovah his God ADONAI.
Jehovah command his Son, adoni, Jesus to sit at his right hand.
Jehovah is the Sovereign LORD and Jesus is the messianic adoni, Lord. Not the same thing. Big difference.
TRINITY ROOTS a short historical sampling.
Babylon: TRINITY
Nimrod, Tammuz and Samiramis
BABYLON is the start of variuos Trinity worshiping. See> Genesis (10:8-12, 11:1-9)
In Ancient Egypt: TRINITY
The Egyptian trinity is a group of three deities that includes Asar, Aset, and Heru:.
In India 🇮🇳: TRINITY
It is often said that there is a trinity of Hindu gods: Brahma, the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer. But while Vishnu and Shiva have followers and temples all over India, Brahma is not worshiped as a major deity.
In Ancient Rome: TRINITY
The Capitoline Triad was a group of three deities who were worshipped in ancient Roman religion in an elaborate temple on Rome's Capitoline Hill (Latin Capitolium). It comprised Jupiter, Juno and Minerva. The triad held a central place in the public religion of Rome
Greece: TRINITY
The Olympian demiurgic triad in platonic philosophy was made up of Zeus (considered the Zeus [king of the gods] of the Heavens), Poseidon (Zeus of the seas) and Pluto/Hades (Zeus of the underworld
The legend and trinity gods have always been false gods. At various times in the bible, the Baal gods were trinity gods.
See Jeremiah 23:
26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies, even the prophets of the deceit of their own heart?
27 that think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbor, as their fathers forgat my name for Baal.
Baal is also mentioned as Bel in older Hebrew text-Triune god concepts from demons.
The demons in the spirit realm have a way of shaping this into certain societies and cultures. It's often re branded as you can see, because one culture will not accept another culture's version of the trinity. The modern day trinits iteration that exist in Christendom today is heavily influenced by greek mythology.
And the modern day Trinity has its roots in Greek mythology. The Hellenistic period was coming to an end about 150 years or so after Christ death, later Satan ushered in slowly
the version of trinity into the early church fathers of Christendom 325AD.
formally ratified at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The Holy Spirit was included at the First Council of Constantinople (381 AD), where the relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one substance (ousia) and three co-equal persons (hypostaseis) was formally ratified. And later, one of 5 more of the State/Government approved doctrines of these church father meetings took place in Ephesus. I think were at about 7 hese ecumenical councils meetings but it taken place about four hundred years or so for the trinity doctrine to become state approved by the various roman emperors. In short, before I go into much more, the current version of the trinity that exist in Christendom is just a reformatted, re-branded or more sophisticated version of the
Trinity, rebooted iteration with the Father- Son-Holy Spirit concept.
Over time, it has become a snare, similar to purgatory teaching and other unbiblical teachings of demons, the trinity psychological effect has produced a mental and emotional indoctrination of traditional paganistic origins i to the spiritually adulterous religions of Christendom today; Which in essence is a poorly replicated, mimic version of Christianity by Satan the Devil; Common aphorism has taken whole of identifying it as BABYLONTHEGREAT> Revelation 17-18.
Many of the so-called theologians or religious leaders of groups, small and large rarely touch on the topic because it's spiritual conscience and its teachings are not centered around the truth but adhering to limited text shaped around isolated dogma to prove some bizarre Trinity belief.
The woman in the book of Revelation is a spiritual harlot.
This religionist culture still exists today in Christendom.
See Roman 2:24
For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you, even as it is written.
Okay guys hope that's helpful🫡
One question : at 18:50 why would a quote from Revelation show any muslim that Jesus is God, they will just say it's corrupted... or something I believe in, not them.. anyone to help me? Muslims don't believe in Revelation? How would I use that against them then.
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The guy mentions Jehovah. Hey that's a good thing and then recognizes Jesus as someone else, the Son of God, so just by default, Jehovah's witnesses fall into the proper space within that trinity doctrine. Though they don't believe in the satanic doctrine of the trinity, by default, they worship this father figure- Jehovah that he's talking about. So what is wrong with them worshipping the father figure?
They deny Christ's divinity which is made clear in scripture. Denying Christ's divinity is asinine and can only be justified using an erroneous translation like the NWT which Sam obliterated in this video. Jesus was worshipped as well. Read Hebrews thoroughly.
Sheesh the devil sure is trying to instill his own religion on the world.
@@TruLuan : Any scripture which clearly states that Jesus is God? Here is a clear one that states that Jesus is NOT God.
'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12. Jesus was SEEN by John the writer and countless others. Well? Work out the prognosis.
@@jimjuri6490 There are plenty. Read Revelation 1 where Jesus' calls himself the Alpha and the Omega. The NWT adds "says Jehovah" even though the context is clear that it is Jesus speaking.
@@TruLuanPlease tell the truth. JW’s do not deny Jesus’ divinity. He is an only begotten god, a Mighty god but not the Most High God.
The NWT of JWs is grammatically correct at John 1:1. Even the best Greek scholars confirmed that. Dk you want proof?
13.33 gospel of john 14 28 for my Father is greater than I. Juses nver said i am God worship me 😅😊😂
Jesus also never said "I'm the messiah", he also never said "I'm the saviour" but people recognized him as that. Moreover Jesus never said "I'm not God, don't worship me"
And yet he was worshipped and accepted worship.
Who can forgives sins? Yes only God. Who can bring someone to life? Yes only God. Think again 😊
Revelation 21:7 _"He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and _*_I will be his God,_*_ and he shall be my son."_ (Jesus speaking)
@@brotnjanin he can said i am God simply but he didnot 😁😁😁 you chose to make him God he never said i am God
Well that's the problem with the newer scriptures the modern scriptures used which pervert the word of God, the King James does not say in verse 33 chapter 10 of John, for you although being a man make yourself a God, that is not what the King James says, the King James 1611 says the Jews answered him, saying, for a good work we stone the not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou, being a man, make us thyself God, it doesn't say a God
If you come before GOD humbly and confess your sins and forgive those who are in debt to you then GOD too says that He is faithful and just to forgive your debts and sins and evils. If you come to Him, even if you have done wrong for months or years, just come to Him . Learn the teachings of the one true Orthodox Church to understand the scriptures. ☦
Let’s study the Bible my friend
@BrayleyBuck how's that working out with your schismatic 25,000+ denominations all appearing to "what the bible says" yet have contradicting doctrine of the priesthood, eucharist, baptism, and essentially every single doctrine?
@@TheCathodox You mean Protestantism, I agree with you completely those protestant schism and denominations are heretical they are false teachings, this part you might disagree but there is only one true Church and that's the historical Church of the Apostles, the One true Orthodox Church. False Teachers whether their intentions are good or bad they can deceive many ☦
Orthodox Church is in Revelation 17:1-5
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me,
Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore ➡{Catholicism & Orthodox Churches and all similar type branches) that sitteth upon many waters:
2 With whom the kings (Imperialism, Colonialism, Anglo-Saxon/American, Crusades) of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
This European part of Christendom has killed countless numbers of their own ethnic brethren from the time it had start taking shape in 325
2 John 7 For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the Antichrist.
For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
I am amazed how many of you want to deny Jesus.
"make yourself God" that is because Jesus said He forgives sin. Only God can forgive sin and by saying that He is assuming the position of God... if Jesus if not God how does He do that? because God's arm of His holy spirit reached into His clean vessel here on this earth we call Jesus and operated as if it was God in first person. God is God and Jesus has a God and cant be God. Jesus is a vessel like the rest of us are or He would be able to satisfy the debt. there are not multiple parts to God. God is one in all not 3 in one. Yall cant understand God and this is why you must break Him in to manageable understandable parts so your baby lips can chew on it to understand it.
Jehovah's Witnesses accept the KJV so tell them when discussing with them that you accept KJV too so let's use the KJV.
I'm not "against" the JWs. Telling the truth is loving them.
What is a Jo Witness?
He can't say the name of the Most High God Jehovah because his spirit won't allow it.
This Sam is nothing than a puffed up with pride guy who doesn't know a thing about who God is
the picture is so funny , jesus is lord and sam is our friend
Did a nature die on the cross, or a person?
Tone it down and quit yelling! Terribly annoying.
Even Chatgbt knows the Trinity is false:
You
But this would mean the Jews didn't believe God was a trinity of Father Son and Holy Spirit?
ChatGPT
That's correct. The concept of the Trinity, which defines God as three persons-Father, Son, and Holy Spirit-in one essence, is a distinctive feature of Christian theology that developed over time, particularly in the early centuries of the Christian Church. This doctrine was formulated to articulate the relationship between God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as understood by Christians.
In contrast, traditional Jewish belief, rooted in monotheism, maintains a strict understanding of God as a singular entity. The concept of God as a Trinity is not present in Jewish theology, including during the time of Jesus. For Jews, God is indivisible and without partners or associates.
So, when Jesus' Jewish disciples recognized him as the Messiah, their understanding of him as divine likely did not extend to the idea of a triune God. Their beliefs about Jesus' identity would have been shaped by their Jewish monotheistic framework and their understanding of him as the promised Messiah, rather than as a divine person within a Trinity. It was in the subsequent development of Christian theology that the concept of the Trinity emerged and was formally articulated.
But wasn't Jesus a practicing Jew while on earth? Yes or no?
ChatGPT
Yes.
So he would have believed in the same monotheistic view of God like all Jews?
ChatGPT
Yes, Jesus, as a practicing Jew, would have adhered to the monotheistic view of God that is central to Judaism. This view asserts the belief in one indivisible God, without partners or associates.
chatGPT knows nothing it is programmed by humans and the answers it gives depends on the questions you ask
The form of Judaism you're talking about came in to being after the destruction of Jerusalem.
Unfortunately that is false brother. Have you studied Jewish history?
Jews never believed in a trinity. That would have been heresy.
Deuteronomy 32:39 - Nor did they believe God was 3 persons. For Jehovah says no “gods are WITH me.”
The Jewish Shema is clear. Pre Babylon and After, Jehovah, YHWH, has always been and will always be ONE.
1 Cor 8:6 - Praise be the Only True God- The Father!
And praised be his Christ! His Som Jesus. Our Lord and king.
Amen.
@@Aaron-gf7mo I have a bachelor in theology (and is working om a cand.). Yes, I know Jewish history - and even a bit of biblical Hebrew.
The Judaism we know today is rabbinic Judaism - which started to become dominant and become 'mainline Judaism' after the destruction of the temple in 70.
You are correct, though, that Jews never believed in a trinity. They did, though, before 70 AD have some rather complicated ideas about God that can still be seen throughout the Torah (I can provide examples if needed). For example, in the Torah the word of God and the angel of God (the angel that leads the Hebrews out of Egypt) often acts like independent agents and is worshipped. It's though these ideas that the Christian idea of the trinity envelops. John 1:1 comes to mind in which the word of God is identified as (1) Jesus, (2) a independent agent that is uncreated and separated from God and (3) is God itself.
My friend, the concept of God being One was not complicated for the Jews to understand. They understood it completely.
It’s this trinitarian dogma that has caused controversy because, as even the Catholic encyclopedia says, “It’s a mystery that NO ONE can understand.”
CCC 237: “The Trinity is a mystery of faith in the strict sense, one of the ‘mysteries’ that are hidden in Gid, which can NEVER BE KNOWN unless they are revealed by God.”
Even the Catholic Church doesn’t understand this man made mystery.
The point is, the Jew pre and post exile did not believe in a triune God. That can not even be debated. And what is more, Christians themselves didn’t believe in a trinity in the 1st Century. Know how we know?
Because it wasn’t doctrine until 325! Not even an idea until or concept until Tertúlian introduced it in the 2nd century.
God is one.
Jesus Christ is one.
They are not the same. Bible is clear.
❤ 15:10
lol, yea, avoid those verses, only cherry pick which fitted your explanation, a vivid imagination of 3 in 1 mystery. lmao. well done hypo pastor.
Why did you like your own comment? Are you a narcissistic sociopath like your momo?
@@ChristOverAllJeremy like dude why did you like your own comment? are you a narcissistic sociopath who likes to think himself as fictional character sherlock holmes, like your fictional trinity? lmao
@@sajidulislamskilled you liked it again lol. What a narcissist like your pdf file prophet.
@@ChristOverAllJeremy you liked it again, lol, what a narcissistic vivid imagination you guys have for those mysterious filthy man-made doctrines, tales that bible tales that no two version agree with each other.. and what the heck is a pdf file? the narcissist on this channel, lmao
@@sajidulislamskilledthis is exactly what I’m talking about. No true worshiper of god is just attacking people in a comment section like this 😂
It's not a disease. It's Greek grammar.
Your comment (at about 12:00 in) about you being smarter than David Wood -a fellow Christian apologist-is disrespectful and inappropriate. It seems you're trying to make him appear dumber, and yourself look smarter, and win over to your side an audience who is unfamiliar with the particulars of your disagreement.
This feels unloving, slanderous and manipulative, and it's revealing something of your character to others, and blemishing your reputation as an effective apologist. You're brothers-get it reconciled.
You don't know Sam the way I do. Sam has been debating J.W. for over
20 years. He knows he's lying and misrepresenting them, and you are
now more misguided because you listen to him.
I doubt this will make any difference to you or people following Sam,
Trinitarian nut jobs in general. It doesn't matter for most people;
they are going to believe not according to evidence but according to
what they want to believe. Sam is a vessel for confirmation bias.
Let's dive into that.
I will break down a single point for you, and if you don't collapse
completely, then I'll address all the other silly claims Sam made. How
does that sound?
Sam says that the N.W.T. suffers from lowercase god syndrome. Sam is
completely mistaken; he suffers from a functional misunderstanding.
J.W. are correct about John 1:1, which is no longer a debate. The
debate ended over 100 years ago. It's funny how Sam, not being
Catholic, doesn't accept the Catholic scholar's position, which has
admitted the Jehovah's Witness translation of John 1:1 is correct. But
he can't, huh? He's a tool.
Here is a Catholic link that admits so: Catholic Nick.
Then you have the early Church Fathers' views of Christ that support
the J.W. rendering:
Justin Martyr (c. 100 - c. 165 AD): Justin Martyr was an early
Christian apologist and philosopher. In his works, especially in his
"First Apology" and "Dialogue with Trypho," Justin interprets the
Logos (Word) as a divine being distinct from God the Father but
closely associated with Him. He refers to the Logos as the
"first-begotten" of God and as a divine intermediary between God and
humanity.
Clement of Alexandria (c. 150 - c. 215 AD): Clement of Alexandria was
a Christian theologian who emphasized the role of the Logos in the
universe and in human salvation. He viewed the Logos as the divine
principle of reason and wisdom through which God created and sustains
the world. Clement's writings suggest that he saw the Logos as a
divine being, distinct from but closely related to God.
Origen (c. 184 - c. 253 AD): Origen was a highly influential Christian
theologian and scholar. He interpreted John 1:1 in his works, such as
"De Principiis" and his commentaries on the Gospel of John, as
indicating the pre-existence and divinity of the Logos. Origen
believed that the Logos was a divine being, begotten by God the Father
before all creation and that the Logos played a central role in God's
plan for salvation. In his commentary on John 1:1, Origen emphasizes
the pre-existence and divine status of the Word, suggesting a
qualitative understanding of the verse, as Jehovah's Witnesses do.
It's worth knowing that the translation that renders the sons of God
as gods or that supports Sons of God theology is not unique to
Jehovah's Witnesses. That's what the Jews believed (Psalms 8:5, Psalms
82:6, 1 Corinthians 8:5, 2 Corinthians 4:4). All the sons of God are
gods, whether they are good or bad; they existed in the same form as
the Father. Trinitarians changed the meaning of nature or essence to
mean Trinity. That's not how these words were used or understood by
the writers of the scriptures. You and I share the same nature; we're
both humans, but not the same being, aren't we? Humans make humans;
the sons of God are gods, and God is described as spirit (John 4:24).
God's sons are described in the same way; He makes them spirit (Psalm
104:4). You can disagree all you want, but Jehovah's Witnesses base
their beliefs on the most ancient understanding of the scriptures. Do
you think Sam, in all his knowledge, doesn't know these facts?
Let me ask you again, is Sam stupid, ignorant, or dishonest? I need
you to understand that there is a difference between people who
sincerely believe in the Trinity. I worship alongside Trinitarians all
the time. They are beautiful Christians, God-fearing people with
incredible devotion. I disagree with them, but I love them, and they
are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I don't believe we are saved
because we have accurate knowledge of metaphysics. You took this
comment personally; it wasn't about you. I don't know you; you may be
a great guy. I don't agree with J.W. on salvation teachings, which is
much more important than the Trinity. The Trinity is never a matter of
salvation; nowhere do we see that unless we believe that Jesus is God
Almighty, we are not saved. These are empty arguments, and how is
misrepresenting J.W. going to help them? It doesn't. It does the
opposite. Most J.W. know Sam is lying; it reinforces their beliefs.
They can be wrong, and they are on many doctrinal teachings. That
doesn't mean they are wrong about everything. They are not. The Devil
can't deceive people using only lies, my friend.
Here are more translations that support J.W. rendering of John 1:1:
An American Translation (Smith-Goodspeed): the Word was divine
The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures: the Word was a god.
The New Testament in Modern Speech (Richard Francis Weymouth): the
word was "divine."
The New Testament: A Translation (David Bentley Hart): the Logos was god.
The New Testament: A Translation (Charles A. Anderson Hayes): the Word
was divine.
The problem is not the J.W. Trinitarian scholars have tampered with
translations, confusing people. Your rendering of John 1:1 is
grammatically impossible.
If anything, you now know people have reasons. Are you going to be
another Sam, or are you going to stand up for the truth? Like I said,
I disagree with J.W. on many topics, but I don't need to
mischaracterize them to prove my point. The truth needs no lies.
How do you know your Bible is right and their Bible is wrong?
It's true Jehovah's Witnesses have inserted words in English that are not in Greek text. This is normal to ensure the meaning comes out in English. Even in King James Version, words not in Greek are put in italics. No one complains!
If Jehovah's Witnesses do the same , there are sparks all over! What's good for the goose is good for the gander!
no so. it depends WHAT words are used and do they contradict the original Greek meaning as regards the passage in question, and with JW doctrine THEY DO
do you know any foreign languages even if only to high school level?
do you know how language idioms work and how they ALMOST NEVER translate word for word rom one language to another
Bro I’ve been left the religion because of this. They purposely took away and added words to discredit the deity of Christ AND The Holy Spirit. Do you even know who wrote the JW Bible. U can figure it out. Also look at the history and the false prophecies of the religion. 1914,1915,1925,1970. The people are great people but they don’t worship Jehovah, they worship the governing body. Who has blood on there hands. They give us “spiritual food at the right time” yet they called organ transplants “cannibalism” then flipped on it and said it was okay. Seems small but that probably killed a lot of people. Yet some how they have authority from God and Gods only channel but yet they are not profits or filled with the spirt when they make decisions. Also no proof that they are the only channel of God. So many issues and things that end up not making sense in this religion. With one google search yet they won’t because any negative news about the religion is “apostate” sorry about the rant just hope more people wake up because JW’s are some of the most kind people I have ever met and don’t deserve any of it.
Why don't you mention the many errors, additions, and textual changes that were made to the KJV? The translators even added the word "hell' which appears nowhere in any early scrolls and is an erroneous translation of the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades, BOTH of which mean the "grave", burial place of the dead, with NO flames and no living beings.
The NWT corrected those errors, that's why changes were made, to restore the original meanings the writers intended. Shamoun is a buffoon, he has no credible argument to make.
Like adding the word ‘other’ 4 times in Colossians 1? And putting Jehovah 273 times in the New Testament (which appears nowhere in any early scrolls)?
Opposite polarity of the same soul Alfa & Omega Christians ✝️ really need to learn this.
The nature of Jehovah and the nature of Jesus, say he's the Messiah
John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall👉worship the Father in spirit and in👉truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a👉 Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah👈 cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 👉Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
John 14:28
Mark 10:36
And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you?
37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory.
38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?
39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:
40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.✍🙏
And they shall call him Wonderful Concellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of peace.-->Jesus.
In the prophecy at Isaiah 9:6 concerning the Messiah, the title “Mighty God” is applied to the promised Prince of Peace. This expression, however, translates the Hebrew ʼEl Gib·bohrʹ, not ʼEl Shad·daiʹ, which refers ONLY to Almighty God, Jehovah.
Jesus is called a mighty god which means a "powerful one" and judges, kings, and even Satan are called "gods" so that proves Jesus is NOT Almighty God.
A good prophecy to show that Jesus was never God.
SHALL CALL HIM is about a future event.
Jesus being a PRINCE rules him out of being God who is the King.
🔥🔥🔥😍😍😍
Hi cp what's with the he man tea shirts. ❤
REV 3:14 SAYS JESUS WAS CREATED. HAVE FUN WITH THAT ONE, TRINITARIANS! AND GOODBYE!
It doesn't say that at all bro come on
I thought the Lord made Lucifer before Arch Angel Micheal? Or at the same time?
.. that's exactly your problem - trying to think.
Get a brain first!
Na, not the same time.
I wonder if he was called 'Michael' at the very beginning.
Definitely not 'Michael the archangel' because they both worked together to create "all things", so in the beginning there was no angels to be chief of, therefore no "arch"... that came after their creation.
Satan would have been under Michael's authority after his creation as a perfect angel. He became 'Satan" when he decided to become an egg.
What a legend Michael/Jesus is for holding back and leaving it to Jehovah to sort out at jude9 ay?
FYI - do a bit of research instead of watching movies - there is no such name as 'lucifer' - the term comes from the Latin verb, meaning 'light bearer' and has been misrepresented by ignorant people who don't understand the bible verses in context that refer to the 'bright morning star' - associated with Jesus (not Satan) - the brief verses concerning the fall of the king of Babylon has nothing to do with Satan's fall from his position as a perfect angel that chose to rebel against God's authority.
The bible is clear - Jesus was created in the spirit realm as the first of God's creative acts - before the material Universe - Jesus had a pre-human existence in heaven alongside his Father - the only-begotten spirit Son of God, through whom all other things were created, whether in heaven or on earth. Read Proverbs 8:22-31
Names have meanings - especially in bible times - God's unique name derived from the Hebrew Tetragrammaton YHWH - Yahweh (Jehovah) means 'to cause to become' - a derivative of the Hebrew verb - an appropriate name for the Creator who gives purpose to his creation.
The name Michael means 'who is like God' - an appropriate name for Jesus in the heavenly realm who became co-creator of each individual angel, himself being a mighty angelic being - a direct creation of his Father, Jehovah. Hence, in heaven Jesus is also known as Michael the Archangel having charge over all the myriads of other angels that he helped bring into existence under the direction of his Father.
Yet, according to Proverbs 8:31, Jesus is especially 'fond of the sons of men' for whom he gave his life as a ransom to redeem humans from sin and death.
And war broke out in heaven:
Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragons and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer.
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, wo deceives the whe world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out eith him."
Rev.12:7-9
Jesus was an eye witness to this...
Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name!"
And He said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."
Lk10:17,18
Satan was cast out when Jesus sent out His followers with the power and authority of His name.
Jesus on earth.
Michael in heaven.
Now what.? 😮
I'm sorry but what does any of this mean? Rather, what are you trying to say here? I don't see this disproving nor do I see it confirming a Jehovah's witness stance. Can you please expand on this?
@@Wolfspyder5
Watchtower teaches Michael and Jesus the same person, that Michael didn't exist while Jesus was in the flesh. These verses show that is not the case.
One of MANY.
Do you know revelation is about the end of time right?
@@LIQUIDITY_TRADERZ
Satan was cast out when Jesus sent out His followers with the power and authority of His name.
Jesus was an eye witness to the event and reported it to His followers. "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."
The Revelation tells us that when this happened there was no place found for them any longer in heaven. How many times was Satan cast out..?
@mattmurdock2868 rev12 is a looong time after Jesus was on earth, sorry.
It's hard for me to even consider taking in info from anyone who will call anyone who disagrees with them sons of the devil. Don't even bring up the oh god said that, Jesus said that, they have the ability to read hearts and know the true intentions of people. You do not and you lack all ability to treat someone with respect wether they are just lost or downright corrupt.
If you’re not with Jesus then you are with the devil. If Jesus is Jehovah and they say he’s not, then they are sons of the devil. It’s not hard or mean, it’s true. Jesus was just like that to His own People.
@@psychedelicdivinity2872 Jesus is not Jehovah, Jesus showed love and he came for the sinner. learn to read your bible.
@@crazyhope9516 wut
@@psychedelicdivinity2872 feeling bad Ooooooo Can't help it. Truth cuts so deep Great thing is you still have time to change you heart
@@crazyhope9516 me hurting in me sOuL
I disagree. I think the only way to win them over is to go to all the passages you say to avoid.
If our attempts to change there views we cannot step away from the hard parts, I feel that it would be building on a uneven foundation. I would love your mind to come up with a plan using all the hardest parts to debate. That way converts can be sure...because at there meetings they point out those hard topics and cling to them as if its our defeat. I mean no ill will and appreciate this man's dedication. God bless him.
He never brings out all the scriptural facts. Just like he didn’t in Acts 20:28.
Why would anyone want to win JWs over? Over to what?
The beliefs they had before the truth set them free?
Why did truth seekers leave the babel of churches in the first place? John 8:32.
Logically there can only be ONE TRUTH.
All these videos prove JWs to be Jesus' only disciples today. Matthew 24:9.
I really love how Sam is trying to prove something by simply not quoting passages based on a Upper or Lower case letter. Here is something to think about. In Hebrew there are no Upper case letters. Chew on that. Also there is no Hebrew New Testament and never was one that can prove any christian claims that the Jews wrote the NT, it was all written in Greek by people who didn't even know who gave the Torah to the Jews.
lol you think Sam doesn’t know that? He says don’t go to these passages unless you have a lengthy conversation with a JW on the Hebrew or Greek. Even so, they won’t listen to what you say!
You have done nothing but embarrass the other person
He doesn't embarrassed them, they embarrassed them self with their own ignorance.
I like your videos a lot but I was surprised to hear in one video you made that you were catholic. But I don’t know if you mean Roman Catholic or universal church catholic
Is there a problem if he is catholic. Or are u dividing the body of christ now
I have that necessary time to go through the greek in order to explain what's laying behind the greek, and never been embarrassed...
Greek roots in the churches of Christendom. How their version of their Trinity got its roots.
The Classical Greek Olympic triad of Zeus (king of the gods), Athena (goddess of war and intellect) and Apollo (god of the sun, culture and music)
The Delian chief triad of Leto (mother), Artemis (daughter) and Apollo (son) and second Delian triad of Athena, Zeus and Hera.
The apostle Paul made mention of them in the book of Acts 17: He had such individuals approaching him from the Epicureans, The Greek stoic philosophers and the modern day. Christendom churches evolved out of that, Greek and Roman Hellenistic culture. And that's how you see the Trinity. Has taken shape today. The other triune gods were destroyed by God's people leading up to
Jesus descension to earth. The ancient Baal gods in the Bible text were often triune gods made with human hands or their imagination. Eventually, they were all destroyed in the Hebrew era or writings of the Bible and its history and the modern day version of this Titanic demonic teaching. Is the current brand filtered through the churches of Christendom this Trinity doctrine Evolved out of Babylon as well. The Egyptians had their version of it and then crept into the European culture. And their brand of christianity now features the last part of the trinity described in the Bible, for all its network of churches as Babylon the Great.
@@dyljenings Not even one word of this is historically valid. There isn’t a shred of evidence that any pagan or Egyptian mythology played a role in the New Testament’s teaching of the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
It all comes from the Old Testament teachings depicting God both as the Heavenly Father and as a personal God who walked with Adam and ate with Abraham, and as the angel of his presence appearing from the burning bush to Moses and mentioned in Genesis, Exodus, Isaiah, etc. Prophesied in Daniel to receive the everlasting kingdom and by Zechariah to be pierced and mourned. These are the things, among many others, the New Testament explicitly cite.
@DefinedFaith In ancient Egypt-or Kemet, as it was known to its people at the time-one key concept was the relationship among three deities, Asar, Aset, and Heru
It is often said that there is a trinity of Hindu gods: Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer.
The Classical Greek Olympic triad of Zeus (king of the gods), Athena (goddess of war and intellect) and Apollo (god of the sun, culture and music)
The Capitoline Triad was a group of three deities who were worshipped in ancient Roman religion in an elaborate temple on Rome's Capitoline Hill (Latin Capitolium). It comprised Jupiter, Juno and Minerva. The triad held a central place in the public religion of Rome.
So under the various Roman emperor's, it coupled itself with the priest eventually evolved into Roman Catholic church later on the Eastern orthodox church and the rest of it's Titanic Vine. This is the modern form of of false christianity an other words christendom. Some of these triumph god simples and idolatry were the things that were destroyed in a testament they were called BAAL.
And you don't need a Jehovah's witness to tell you that you can look in your Bible and secular history. 🫡
@@DefinedFaith He's not listening to you and most likely wont.
If you need Greek and Hebrew to understand the KJV then you have bigger problems.
Because the book of Revelation has a curse upon anyone that changes that book, it is a source to use because they have not perverted that book.
Trinitarians do not believe that only the Father is God. Trinitarian theology affirms that the Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit are all fully and equally God.
The Trinity therefore must be false. That simple. Nothing left to discuss.
If you don’t believe only the Father is the true God…then you are not in line with Bible truth.
John 17:3 - Jesus acknowledges the Father as the “only true God”
John 4:24 - Jesus says we worship only the Father as the true God.
Revelation 3:12 - In heaven, Jesus acknowledges the Father as “his God.”
I pray all trinitarians break free from this 3 head God. lies that have been created by men. Influenced by the devil so that the truth may not shine through and they turn to the Father.
Amen
Trinitarian theology from the ecumenical council start and it is based in the Father monarchia .so no problem. Educate yourself better
@@ΓραικοςΕλληνας Nothing I said was false.
However, even as what you say is true….you don’t believe only the Father is the true God….however Jesus did. That’s all. Nothing more nothing less.
The truth is though, any trinitarian who says they really understand the Trinity is either lying or misguided according to their own church:
For I quote: “The Trinity is a mystery of faith in the strict sense, one of the 'mysteries that are hidden in God, which can never be known unless they are revealed by God.' - CCC 237
I would say educate yourself, but no matter how much education you have on the Trinity, you’ll never truly understand it.
I pray for you my friend. John 4:23,24 - As Jesus said, now is the time that true Christians are worshipping the FATHER in spirit and truth. Praised be Jehovah God and his Christ, His Son, Jesus. Amen.
@@Aaron-gf7mo in the greek john 4:23,24 is the Three persons of the Trinity Jesus Christ says αλλ ' έρχεται ώρα και νυν εστιν ΟΤΕ οι αληθινοί προσκυνηται προσκυνησουσιν ... That show that now we must worship God as πατήρ _ Father , πνεύματι _ means the Holy Spirit ,and αληθεια _ truth ,that is actually how Jesus Christ call himself in john 14:6 αλήθεια there same word
@@Aaron-gf7mo i read only the original language text of the NT understand it easy we use it in church 2000 years now in all our says hymns prays readings.
Amen
I have a doubt, could someone help me? In the Bible, not in every time the word "things" is said, that word means "creation" or "created one". Look at 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 (NKJV): "For 'He has put all things under His feet.' But when He says 'all things are put under Him,' it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all." That means that in another parts of the Bible, like 1 Colossians 1:15-17, could God be consider himself a "thing", not in the sense of being "created" but in the sense of being a "being", the Creator "being" or "thing"? (Sorry if I wasn't clear enough...)
It means what it says bro. Jesus is the Son of God. He is subject to his father. He's begotten. All you have to do is listen to Jesus and not waste your time with the Trinity stuff. Its pointless. Listen to Jesus, he will tell you God is. Jehovah is the only true God, John 17:3 and He loved the world so much that he didn't give any angelic creature, He gave his first creation. The father loves us and its simple right in that celebrated scripture John 3:16
No Jesus and God are outside the creation. when you read “things” God is never in that he is always above it…always out of that because he is the one who create the things
It seems clear, the structure of that setting of the scriptures indicate that Jesus, the Son go God, Jehovah the Almighty God, the yes, Jesus will be "subject" to God. We all are. How about figuring out the deep and rich life saving narrative in this passage and how God"s wisdom has been utilized for us the read in the coming of His Holy angel from the Heavens, that being Michael.
(Miʹcha·el) [Who Is Like God]
Hebrew/Old Testament of Jesus before descending to earth.
Exodus 23:20-21
Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
Hebrews 12:25
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven
Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo,➡ Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.
Daniel 10:20
Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.
21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but➡Michael your prince.
Archangel
Meaning “chief of the angels.” The prefix “arch”an “chief” or “principal.” This definition, coupled with the fact that “archangel” in the Bible is used only in the singular, indicates that there is just one archangel. The Bible gives the name of the archangel, identifying him as Michael.-Da 12:1; Jude 9; Re 12:7
Michael the Great Prince’-Who Is He?
The word “thing” is not really in the Greek. It is a requirement in English. That’s why you see “all things” under PAS/PANTA.
What's the Greek word for God in John 17:3?
Show them how they get their bible translation from a spirit medium Johannes greber it’s in their own watchtower literature and when you look into who greber is and how the bible tells us that spiritism and talking to spirits is not from God you have to use their own literature and show them in their bible that Jesus is Devine
It can be done but when they see the proof they run back to their leaders and not to Jesus
Follow Catholic pagan beliefs 3in1 god All these pagan sects
@@crazyhope9516 The bible clearly teaches it ; so you’re not disagreeing with me but you’re disagreeing with God of the bible who is Jesus Christ my Saviour ❤️🙏🏻
@@PapaGeorgio23-111 Bible does teach the pagan 3in1 god wow which bible said this ty for proving who you neither know Jehovah or his son Jesus
@@crazyhope9516 you must be a Jehovah’s Witness?
@@PapaGeorgio23-111 Yea sorry i came on a bit strong Jesus never called himself God, only through misunderstanding can you come to this belief
Does anyone know of a good tract to give Jehovah's witnesses?
Wouldn't accept anything from low-hanging fruit Christianity.
Get out there like Jesus told you too and preach the good news.And get off your butt or your couch.Wherever you are and go do your thing and show those Jehovah's witnesses.How to do it.
What can a tract put out by a church tell JWs what they wouldn't already know? Many of them were former church members.
Ever read of Christians going around trying to convince people that Jesus was God?
All Christians on record in the Bible as are JWs today, preach about God's Kingdom.
Jesus' instructions:
Matthew 10:7 As you go, preach, saying: ‘The Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.’
I don't think any of the churches of Christendom have any "real" tracts, but rather hate material. Most of Christendom focus on teaching their members false concepts and hoarding them into thier religious facilities to fill the pockets of its church leaders. Tithing is one example. Tithing was ephemeral under the Levitical priesthood. Free christian origins and is not a requirement of christians at least true christians. The members from what I understand do not explain the reasoning from the scriptures as to this requirements of its members. I suppose oftentimes these religious leaders are filling their pockets handsomely history and upholding lavish lifestyles. All of this is unscriptural and is not a model of true christians of jesus day and shortly after. And of course, there's central doctrine of the Trinity for most of these churches and how ridiculous and awful that whole thought is. No spirituality and no salvation can come through that diabolic teaching.
1 TIMOTHY 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Jesus the Word of God the Lamb is the First born of all creation, its very clear. And everything was created through him by Jehovah God the Father the most High Psalm 83 18. Luke 4 8.
Jehovah is Jesus, Jesus Yeshua is not Jehovah. Know the difference.
1 John 4:12 & 1 John 4:14
John makes it clear that no one has ever seen or met GOD.
Jesus is the only mediator between God and man.
The only way to understand GOD is by accepting Jesus and putting faith in him.
This proves Jesus and God are not the same person, nor do they have the same rank or position.
God is far to great to come down to earth and sacrifice himself. He sent the next best thing, His son Jesus Christ.
Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. To Him all families in heaven and earth owe there name - Eph 3:14,15
Amen!
So true! Never mind those scriptures.
except 1 timothy 6:16 describes Jesus as the one “whom no man has seen or can see”
@@Zoozeeman Yes the context is now that he is resurrected and in heaven in unapproachable light.
@@NickHawaii “has seen” refers to in the past, you can’t say the context is the present. “No man has seen or can see” is a title for God alone
@@Zoozeeman At the time of when Paul wrote to Timothy Jesus was in heaven and no man has seen Jesus in this unapproachable light. Since his ascension to the invisible heavens, no man on earth “can see” him with literal eyes.
People did see Jesus on earth but they can’t see his God and Father.
Is that a Protestant church?
Great video but when they preach they are taught to use the person who they are preachings bible.
Great point. It doesn't matter what bible is used, Jehovah alone is most high over all the earth (ps83:18)
And no matter what bible is used, Jesus is always next to the most high, Jehovah. (Heb1:3)
And no matter what bible is used Jesus is forever subject to the most high God, Jehovah. (1cor15:24-28)
JW Bible Translation: *Jesus Christ is the Lord Jehovah God Almighty*
Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”
Revelation 1:17
When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last,
Revelation 1:18
and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.
Revelation 22:12
“‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to repay each one according to his work.
Revelation 22:13
I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Revelation 22:16
“‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.’”
That is as worse twisting of scripture as there can be. Sorry!
Revelation 1:1 tells us that Jesus was GIVEN the Revelation BY God. How could Jesus suddenly usurp God and become God while God was GIVING him the Revelation?
Only God knows the future. Jesus didn't.
Thus the chain. God gives Jesus. Jesus gives the angel. The angel gives John.
If Jesus is God then wouldn't the angel and John be God too?
@@tongakhan230 yet you didn’t address the verses I quote lol
Read that again. Then respond accordingly, don’t jump somewhere else
@@teodorotedy : I showed how improbable to think that any verse could change Jesus into what he was at verse 1 of Revelation.
(Revelation 1:8) “I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”
Jesus has never been called the Almighty.
@@tongakhan230 bro!! Can you read??
Jesus Christ literally says He is the Alpha and Omega, the First and Last, the beginning and the end.
How blind are you that you can’t see that Jesus Christ is the Lord Jehovah God Almighty !!!??? As it literally says quoted
God show the revelation to Jesus Christ, yes that’s true. And that didn’t change the fact that Jesus Christ says He is the First and Last. Only God is the First and Last,
unless you believe in multiple gods and creators of heavens and earth, and firsts and lasts… lol
@@tongakhan230 WHO Is “the One who was and who is and who is coming, the Almighty” ???
Answer this please!! 🙏🏾
Could you share a bit on this ?
The one logic is that they believe it was Michael the Angel who died on the cross. The thing is God suppose to be so great that he send an angel to die for your sins. so what does that make Micheal just as equal to God since it is sin that separates us from God. So they are saying an angel blood is what brought the human race into relationship with God again 🤔. What a foolishness it is when thinking about it.
MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL
MICHAEL, meaning (Miʹcha·el) [Who Is Like God]. "like" God, sound like Jesus? Yes!
ARCHANGEL➡Meaning “chief of the angels.” The prefix “arch” means “chief” or “principal.” This definition, coupled with the fact that “archangel” in the Bible is used only in the singular, indicates that there is just one archangel. The Bible gives the name of the archangel, identifying him as Michael.-Da 12:1; Jude 9; Re 12:7
Our Lord and Savor Jesus is called by many names. See Isa. 9:6
Who Is the Archangel Michael?
The Bible’s answer
Michael, referred to by some religions as “Saint Michael,” is evidently a name given to Jesus before and after his life on earth. And Michael disputed with Satan after the death of Moses and helped an angel deliver God’s message to the prophet Daniel. (Daniel 10:13, 21; Jude 9) Michael lives up to the meaning of his name-“Who Is Like God?”-by defending God’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies.-Daniel 12:1; Revelation 12:7.
Consider why it is reasonable to conclude that Jesus is the archangel Michael.🤷♂
Michael is “the archangel.” (Jude 9) The title “archangel,” meaning “chief of the angels,” appears in only two Bible verses. In both cases, the word is singular, suggesting that only one angel bears that title. One of those verses states that the resurrected Lord Jesus “will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16) Jesus has “an archangel’s voice” because he is the archangel, Michael.
Michael commands an angelic army. “Michael and his angels battled with the dragon,” Satan. (Revelation 12:7) Michael has great authority in the spirit realm, for he is called “one of the foremost princes” and “the great prince.” (Daniel 10:13, 21; 12:1) These titles designate Michael as “the commander-in-chief of the angelic forces,”
KING JAMES VERSION, DANIEL 12⬇
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
The Bible mentions only one other name of someone having authority over an army of angels. It describes “the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7, 8; Matthew 16:27) Jesus “went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.” (1 Peter 3:21, 22) It would not make sense for God to set up Jesus and Michael as rival commanders of the holy angels. Rather, it is more reasonable to conclude that both names, Jesus and Michael, refer to the same person.
Michael “will stand up” during an unprecedented “time of distress.” (Daniel 12:1) In the book of Daniel, the expression “stand up” is often used to refer to a king who rises up to take special action. (Daniel 11:2-4, 21) Jesus Christ, identified as “The Word of God,” will take special action as the “King of kings” to strike down all of God’s enemies and protect God’s people. (Revelation 19:11-16) He will do so during a time of “great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning.”-Matthew 24:21, 42.
I LOVE THESE BIBLE TRUTHS-DO YOU? AT WORSE, IF YOU READ YOUR BIBLE YOU COULD THE COME BACK REFUTING THE ABOVE.
Best thing about this for you is that you don't have to go look up Greek words to understand this.
Well done Sam. In the photo, you look like you're doing a side chest pose in a bodybuilding contest.
😅
What does the Bible mean when it says take of the flesh to eat and Jehova says take and pass?
Eucharist
@@psychedelicdivinity2872 yes, the old original Word.
THE FACT THAT JESUS CAN HAVE BROTHERS TOTALLY DESTROYS THE TRINITY AND PROVES THAT HE WAS JEHOVAH GOD’S FIRST DIRECT CREATION BEING THE REASON HE IS CALLED THE “ONLY BEGOTTEN SON” ALSO THIS IS WHY PAUL WROTE CONCERNING JESUS: “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature” (ALL CREATURES ARE CREATED BEINGS) Colossians 1:15
A FATHER IS A LIFE GIVER: “For just as the Father has life in himself, (A SON IS A LIFE RECEIVER) so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.” John 5:26
IN THE CASE OF THE CREATOR / ALMIGHTY GOD HE CAN NOT HAVE NO EQUALS: “For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.” Isaiah 45:18
WITH THAT BEING ESTABLISHED IT WOULD BE FOOLISH TO CONCLUDE THAT GOD CAN HAVE A FATHER, MOTHER, OR BROTHERS BUT HE CAN AND DOES HAVE CREATED SONS: “the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose.” Genesis 6:2 - SEE ALSO (Job 1:6; 38:7; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6)
ANOTHER DESIGNATION FOR GOD’S ANGELIC SONS ARE STARS: “When the morning stars joyfully cried out together…” Job 38:7
JESUS CLEARLY REVEALS HIS PERSONAL IDENTITY IN GOD’S CREATION FOR US AT REVELATION 3:14 WHEN HE SAYS: “To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God”
IF ANYONE TAKES JESUS AT HIS OWN WORDS THERE IS NO NEED TO ADD MORE TO HIS TESTIMONY
AGAIN JESUS LEAVES NO DOUBT THAT HE IS A CREATION OF GOD THE FATHER BY ACKNOWLEDGING JEHOVAH NOT ONLY AS HIS FATHER BUT ALSO AS HIS GOD AS HE SAYS TO: “‘The one who conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.” Revelation 3:12
(CONQUERING THAT TRINITARIAN LIE MAY NOT BE EASY BUT IT CAN BE DONE)
SO WE SEE THAT UPON JESUS’ RETURN TO HEAVEN THAT HE HIMSELF IS A WORSHIPPER OF GOD - WHY IS THAT?
JESUS HIMSELF BEING AN ANGELIC SON OF GOD AS HE EXPLAINS:
“‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.’” Revelation 22:16
A VERY EARLY PROPHECY HELPS US TO UNDERSTAND THAT GOD WOULD SEND AN ANGEL / STAR TO EARTH TO BECOME A MAN: “I will see him, but not now; I will behold him, but not soon. A star will come out of Jacob, And a scepter will rise out of Israel. And he will certainly break apart the forehead of Moʹab And the skull of all the sons of tumult.” Numbers 24:17
IT'S TIME FOR TRINITARIANS TO STOP LYING TO THEMSELVES AND OTHERS AND REPENT BECAUSE IT IS BLASPHEMY TO ATTRIBUTE ANYTHING TO GOD BEYOND WHAT HE SAYS BY MEANS OF HIS ANGELIC WORD (JESUS) AND IN HIS WRITTEN WORD THE BIBLE
DEAR FATHER I PRAYER IN JESUS NAME THAT SPIRITUAL COMPREHENSION WILL BE GRANTED TO ALL WHO ARE SEEKING THE TRUTH AS JESUS PRAYED FOR ALL HUMANS SAYING: “This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.”
MAY HONEST-HEARTED ONES FIND THE TRUTH AND ACCEPT IT IN JESUS' NAME - AMEN
Jesus IS the Truth.. We must ACCEPT HIM.. Spirit of Christ/GOD Romans 8:9 Then we will 'KNOW' him.. being Born Again by Receiving the Holy Spirit who brings us into all Truth
Good points! Jesus is ONE among BROTHERS.
Romans 8:29.......his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
God having brother gods? Sounds eerie!
Finally, this.
Revelation 5:8-14.
Read this passage. Even in the New World translation, it says Jesus is worshiped. It also says, worshiped in the Greek interlinear translation.
Their OWN translation.
Verse 13: “And EVERY creature which is in heaven, and on the Earth, and under the Earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
“ Blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits on the throne, AND to the Lamb, forever and ever!”
Verse 14: “ then the four living creatures said, “Amen!”
And the 24 elders fell down and worshiped him who lives forever and ever.
If Jesus Christ was a created being, he would be part of the “every creature” description, which is in heaven and on the Earth and under the Earth and such as are in the sea. But He is not a creature because he was not created. He is being worshiped, and there is no way to talk your JW way out of it.
It’s in your own Bible!
Jesus is not created, not a creature, and is being worshipped, right next to Jehovah.
Jesus is God.
@@jeffreyvanhorn1996
The Bible writers very often excluded the subject (and others) when using the term "every" and "all". This is a common usage even today. For example, the police sergeant making an arrest of a criminal group might say: "Everyone in this room is under arrest!" Obviously the sergeant does not include himself (nor his captain who is with him) even though he says "everyone"! Or "the criminal tied up everyone in the room before stealing the gems."
A similar expression appears in Philippians 2:10, "So that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth...." But, obviously, the Father in heaven does not bend his knee, and Jesus certainly does not bend his knee to himself! This, too, should be a qualified "every knee".
It's the same with the expression "every creature" in Revelation 5:13. The Bible clearly says God created Jesus (Revelation 3:14; Proverbs 8:22-23; John 6:57; Colossians 1:15).
@@revilotnek1610Nonsense. Utter nonsense.
Your own NWT disagrees with your own Greek Interlinear.
It’s right in front of your face.
@@revilotnek1610
Also, Micah 5:2, referring to Jesus.
His days are from…where?
Where?
From ETERNITY.
He’s from eternity, just as Father God is from eternity.
No beginning, no end.
Conclusion:
Jesus is from eternity, not created.
@@jeffreyvanhorn1996
Thanks for your comment. Some Trinitarians indeed tell us that Micah 5:2 teaches that Jesus has always existed ("from everlasting" - KJV). And since only God has existed for all eternity, Jesus must be Almighty God.
But look at other Trinitarian translations of Micah 5:2. (E.g., "O Bethlehem ..., from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose origin is from of old, from ancient days" - RSV, compare with JB, NEB, REB, NAB, NIV, AT, Mo, NRSV, NJB, Byington, and Young's.)
AMP - His goings forth (appearances) are from long ago, From ancient days.
Byington - his origins being from of old, from ancient days.
CSB - His origin is from antiquity, from ancient times.
ESV - whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days.
GNT - whose family line goes back to ancient times.
GWT - His origins go back to the distant past, to days long ago.
NAB - Whose origin is from of old, from ancient times.
NCV - He comes from very old times, from days long ago.
NLT - whose origins are in the distant past.
NIV - whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.
NRSV - whose origin is from of old, from ancient days.
Not only does this verse NOT teach that Jesus has always existed, it even speaks of his origin in very ancient times. The word origin is defined as "a coming into existence" in the Webster's New World Dictionary, 1973 and "rise, beginning, or derivation from a source" in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary.
Why would these Trinitarian translations admit such a thing? Perhaps because it is difficult to honestly translate the Hebrew motsaah with a word that does not include this understanding. Even when "goings forth" is the rendering, it appears it should also be with the understanding of "originating." For example, if we said "the command went forth from the King," we obviously mean the command originated with - or sprang from - the king! And when Micah 5:2 says of the Messiah: "O Bethlehem ..., from you shall come forth [the Messiah]," it can only mean that, in his earthly existence, he originated in Bethlehem.
Obviously for so many respected Trinitarian translators to choose this meaning ("origin") they must feel there is no other honest choice! The only meanings given by Gesenius for this word in his highly-respected Lexicon are "origin, springing" - #4163, Gesenius - cf. Micah 5:1 in The Jewish Publication Society's Bible translation, Tanakh.
And A Concise Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament gives the only meaning for this word as used in Micah 5 as "origin." - p. 187, Eerdmans.
It must mean that his pre-existence as a spirit person in heaven originated in very ancient times (as the very beginning of God's creation - Rev. 3:14; Prov. 8:22). The Bible Greek of the ancient Septuagint, in fact, at Micah 5:2 says: "and his goings forth were from the beginning [arkhe], from ancient days [aionos]."
The NIV Study Bible, in a footnote for Micah 5:2 explains: "origins...from of old. His beginnings were much earlier than his human birth."
BUT THE TRUE, ETERNAL GOD HAD NO BEGINNING!
As for the Hebrew word olam, it can often be understood as “ancient times” or “of old” and does not necessarily refer to “eternity.” It can simply mean an indefinite period of time. It is used at Numbers 25:13 to apply to the Levitical priesthood, which did last for an indefinite period of time, coming to its end more than 1900 years ago. Here is a sampling of how olam is used in the following scriptures in the NASB:
of old (Gen 6:4)
days of old (Deuteronomy 32:7)
From ancient times (Joshua 24:2)
from ancient times. (1 Samuel 27:8)
the ancient path (Job 22:15)
the ancient boundary (Proverbs 22:28)
the ancient boundary (Proverbs 23:10)
the ancient nation (Isaiah 44:7)
ancient ruins (Isaiah 58:12)
ancient ruins (Isaiah 61:4)
the days of old. (Isaiah 63:9)
the days of old (Isaiah 63:11)
an ancient nation, (Jeremiah 5:15)
the ancient paths (Jeremiah 6:16)
the ancient paths (Jeremiah 18:15)
the ancient waste places (Ezekiel 26:20)
the days of old (Malachi 3:4)
Micah 5:2 literally says "days of olam." This same wording is found again in Micah at Micah 7:14:
Let them feed in Bashan and Gilead as in the days of old [‘days of olam’] (Micah 7:14).
Try substituting “eternity” in the above scriptures. It’s clear that the NASB has rendered olam correctly in those scriptures.
So, adding the fact that the Messiah had a beginning in this verse to the possibility of olam meaning “ancient” as translated here in numerous Trinitarian Bibles and and in many other scriptures, it seems evident that the RSV has correctly rendered Micah 5:2 -
(RSV) Micah 5:2 But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose origin is from of old, from ancient days.
The New Word Translation also correctly rendered Micah 5:2:
And you, O Bethʹle·hem Ephʹra·thah, The one too little to be among the thousands of Judah, From you will come out for me the one to be ruler in Israel, Whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago.
It's also very important to examine Micah 5:4 where YHWH or Jehovah is recognized as being the God of the Messiah! The NIVSB tells us in a footnote for this verse that the LORD [`Jehovah'] here - the God of the Messiah - refers to "God the Father."
get saved first sir ...
you do not get saved by obeying the commandements.
it's pointless to train to convince JW in hell ...
Since Jesus made clear that God IS A SPIRIT (John 4:24), God couldn't have purchased anything with his own blood since He didn't have any.
It is Jesus' blood which God used to bring the New Covenant into being.
Hebrews 9:12 'Jesus' entered into the holy place, not with the blood of goats and of young bulls, but WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, once for all time, and obtained an everlasting deliverance for us.
24 For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that HE NOW APPEARS BEFORE GOD on our behalf.
A High Priest offers a sacrifice TO GOD on behalf of the people. God cannot be the sacrifice.
Yes God is spirit and the spirit is invisible but the prophecies came to happen when it was prophesized that the Messiah himself is God in the flesh. That God became a human being so you're speaking utter nonsense
@@Rican856 : If John wrote in clear unmistakable terms:
'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME' - 1 John 4:!2, what does it mean?
That God was SEEN riding a donkey?
OR that God has NEVER BEEN SEEN by humans?
Some people have no idea as to who the Creator is. No human can encounter him and survive (Exodus 33:20).
The sun Jehovah God created cannot come closer to this earth. And our sun is a miniscule one compared to others.
Rational thinking is called for.
@@jimjuri6490 bro you are truly brainless. Do you even understand the context of 1 John 4:12 ?? Obviously you don't because if you did then you wouldn't be talking nonsense. This verse reminds readers that no one has ever seen God in his full divine essence, but God's love allows people to "see" him through the actions of his people.
God abides in those who seek to love Him. We do not need to physically see Him; He is already in us. Also, God's love is made perfect or complete in us. This does not mean we become sinless. Instead, the focus is on maturity or the quality of love in us. That's the Actual context of 1 John 4:12 so that alone has absolutely nothing to do with what you're falsely claiming regarding Jesus because he fact is the Bible clearly says that Jesus is God in the flesh which I already proved to you and I can prove to you again with more Bible verses that Jesus is the living God in the flesh.
@@jimjuri6490 John 1:1-18
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ ”) Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. Got proven wrong!! Jesus is God in human form. The invisible God became visible by becoming a human being through Jesus Christ. Want to get proven wrong again??
@@jimjuri6490 wrong! The bible clearly says that Jesus is the living God who became a human being. The invisible God became visible by manifesting in human form.
John 1:1-18
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ ”) Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
This verse alone confirms that Jesus is God in the flesh. The word of God. The word of God who is God and the word of God who became flesh.
Actually sat through this entire tirade and was amazed at the level of ignorance and arrogance and the degree of embarrassment...not to mention the zombie followers who lapped up the sewage that spewed from the dragon's mouth.
Every example cited is completely distorted and misinterpreted and certainly does not prove a triune god.
As I read each one on screen from the ESV it was obvious how wrong those examples were, nothing supports the despicable false pagan demon inspired doctrine of the Trinity which existed before the Bible and Israel and is never taught in the Bible not even the concept of it, just research any and every scholar, theologian or professor who's ever written on the Trinity.
Oh yea ? Jesus claimed to be God but was not the father Jesus sent the Holy Spirit but that was a separate person from the father and the son. So either it’s 3 gods which it is not, because God says he is one. The only logical conclusion is the trinity.
The God found in scripture is a Godhead.
The name of the Godhead is YHWH.
Father.
Son.
Holy Spirit.
These are YHWH, the Godhead.
Here, Christ the LORD, in His own words, by His prophet Isaiah...
"Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And His Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
'I am the First and the Last;
Besides Me there is no God."
44:6
Christ has identified Himself using these names and titles;
LORD.
King of Israel.
Redeemer.
LORD of hosts.
First and Last.
God.
The deity of Christ is the cornerstone of Christianity, as supported by scripture.
So I take it that you're not a fan of the Bible then? Can you at least give 1 single example of something he said that is "distorted and misinterpreted". We'll wait.
Every preacher with Gods wisdom teaches the Trinity, only in your mind it’s blasphemy. When the truth is in front you, it’s all of a sudden demonic.
@@wesleyjakesta4095every preacher? There must be a lot of them?
It would require a "wide and spacious road" to fit them all on, right?
Don't try those on me, because if you do I will crush you in mere seconds. Sam Shamoun is a deceiver. The Isaiah he said you should use is actually the worst verse you can try to use to defend Trinity. That verse makes it clear that Jehovah is the Almighty God.
Clearly didn’t watch the full argument on the last one.
Jehovah is a made up english word... the Hebrews left out ALL vowels PRECISECLY so NO one could say the name of GOD OUT LOUD... and if God is petty enough to be called by a single easy to pronounce word, well He isn't that great. now in the old testament He had MANY names and also just called Himself I AM. so where did you get the vowels from?
Sweet, I look forward to seeing your attempt to "crush" him. And look at that, you even got a direct response. ( *grabs popcorn🍿)
@@paulmorneault3994 Yahweh or Jehovah. Jehovah is the anglicised form of the name. You can use Yahweh which is closer to the Hebrew or Jehovah
You really have little knowledge of the Bible or wisdom.
Sam talking rubbish
Roman's 6:9....has death ever had "mastery or dominon" over God?
Of course not! Jesus is God's Son. NOT the one and only Sovreign of the universe Jehovah God our Father. - 1 Cor 8:6
He can not ever die. Not even for 3 days.
Death didn't have mastery over Jesus. Read John 1:5.
@SpiderDiscord John 1:5 KJV
"And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."..... What is this telling you?
The scripture in the post prior is very clear wouldn't you say?
King James Version
Romans 6:9
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
If death "no longer" has any hold, that indicates that beforehand it did so. He was raised immortal, he wasn't immortal beforehand.
Wouldn't you agree?
@@MrMore470 Death had mastery over Jesus while he was dead (just like a Bond villain has mastery over Bond while they have captured him). But in the final analysis: No. Death couldn't have mastery over Jesus - hence why Jesus is 'the firstborn' from the dead.
Just like John 1:5 says: The darkness tried to hold mastery over Jesus but couldn't.
@SpiderDiscord i think that is the point the first guy is making... that Jesus died. Jesus says in rev1 "I died"... Those 2 words are impossible for Almighty God to say as he is eternal in both directions.
He has never been dead, he cannot become dead.
Jesus died and has been given immortality (Rev1:18). He didn't have this before, hence his ability to die.
@@MrMore470 For Christian's being dead doesn't mean that you stop existing. We believe that Jesus is eternal. We also believe that he (a) took upon himself a human nature and (b) died and (c) was raised in the flesh. While Jesus was in hell he proclaimed the gospel to the dead (1. Peter 4:6; 1. Peter 3:18-19).
We don't believe that his divine nature changes at any time.
I use KJV original.
ESV says in John 3:16 "his only Son".
But Job 1 says "sons of God".
ESV is therefore contradictory.
no you don't, you use the 17th revised version. Even though i don't know you i know that unless you are a 16th century English professor, than you CAN NOT read a 1611 original.
That really is strange. A son of God is an angel. God sent his son from heaven as Galatians 4:4 points out, would mean that God sent an angel.
Translators who want to promote the idea of Jesus being the one and only son of God, get themselves into trouble.
@@tongakhan230 Son of God are not angels. They are a different creatures. Angels are not made in God's likeness.
Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.
So he isn't a creature as other sons of God are.
@@isaacjohnson615 :(Job 1:6) Now the day came when the SONS OF THE TRUE GOD entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also entered among them.
Jesus and Satan were fellow angels. That is why Satan approached Jesus in an attempt tp derail God's purpose being worked out through Jesus.
'"If you are a son of God..."- Matthew 4:3,6.
Angels, humans are all; made in Gods likeness. They are intelligent beings CREATED by God. Jesus being the FIRST God ever created. Colossians 1:15.
(Genesis 1:26) Then God said: “Let us make man IN OUT IMAGE, according to OUR LIKENESS,
He shouldn’t be teaching
He hasn’t said one thing wrong
@@psychedelicdivinity2872 who are you to say he hasn’t said anything wrong?
@@tristankinney9077 Everything He said lines up with the interpretation of the Early Church Fathers and the Magisterium. The Nicene creed is the official document that proves if someone is a Christian or not. Everything the Jehovah Witnesses claim goes directly against the Nicene creed, which is why they slander the Catholic Church by saying Emperor Constantine brought paganism into Christianity. I’m not anything, but the Early Church says everything about Jehovah Witness is heretical.
@@tristankinney9077 did you look at every verse he brought up? Did you take out the new world translation and compare the two? Did you even watch the video? Or did you just hear something you didn’t like and posted the comment
You can’t come to my comment and assume my concept, that’s the first problem.. I say he shouldn’t be teaching according to how he conduct himself in debates.. have you seen any if not I can show you what I mean