Break Wyll's contract and save Duke Ulder | Mizora reaction - Baldur's Gate 3

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  • Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
  • Chapters:
    00:00 Talk to Mizora
    01:02 Talk to Wyll & Mizora at the camp
    04:52 Wyll breaks contract choice and talk to him and mizora after
    08:59 Map location where to find the duke
    11:40 Talk to Lord Enver
    13:35 Mizora tries to kill Wyll's father
    14:56 Talk to the Duke after saving him
    16:20 Talk with Wyll and his father at the camp
    23:09 Talk to Mizora and the Duke at the camp
    Gather your party, and return to the Forgotten Realms in a tale of fellowship and betrayal, sacrifice and survival, and the lure of absolute power.
    Mysterious abilities are awakening inside you, drawn from a Mind Flayer parasite planted in your brain. Resist, and turn darkness against itself. Or embrace corruption, and become ultimate evil.
    From the creators of Divinity: Original Sin 2 comes a next-generation RPG, set in the world of Dungeons and Dragons.
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  • @emanonbackwards
    @emanonbackwards 8 місяців тому +385

    here a simple way to break Wyll contract and save his father:
    1: be at least level 11
    2: have Shadowheart or Halsin cast heal on him BEFORE he leaves the cell.
    3: have gale or someone else with dimension door to teleport him out of the spider range and get him closer to the submarine to leave.
    4: Flaunt your success in front of Mizora's face.

    • @jamesflynn6827
      @jamesflynn6827 8 місяців тому +17

      Different option let gale cast globe of invunerabilty jump ravenguard into the globe to trigger the cutscene, wait one turn for spider explosion and run him to sub.

    • @gabrielgomes4885
      @gabrielgomes4885 7 місяців тому +18

      ​@@jamesflynn6827 i used sanctuary With shadowheart❤

    • @iancody3215
      @iancody3215 7 місяців тому

      When is the best time to cast heal?

    • @emanonbackwards
      @emanonbackwards 7 місяців тому +4

      @@iancody3215 after you open his cell but before his turn. if his turn come before the healer just skip it

    • @iancody3215
      @iancody3215 7 місяців тому

      @@emanonbackwards thanks

  • @MrBrockmcmillin
    @MrBrockmcmillin 10 місяців тому +804

    Love how Karlach said she won’t let Zariel take Wyll and when you choose break the contract, she disapproves. Which is it Karlach?! 😭

    • @Ethan_488
      @Ethan_488 10 місяців тому +144

      It’s because you’re essentially sacrificing an innocent to breaks the contract, pretty sure that’s how she sees it

    • @fistimusmaximus6576
      @fistimusmaximus6576 10 місяців тому +45

      I believe despite how badly written this is, That his father will eventually be killed due to the pact and the fact he had already had a pact he is essentially dammed anyway considering if he broke the pact he is committing murder(not by his own hand) through his actions.

    • @Tallborn5
      @Tallborn5 10 місяців тому +20

      I'm pretty sure they fixed it in the latest patch or I had a tooltip bug but nobody reacted to breaking the pact and I had the same team (Shadowheart+Karlach)

    • @fistimusmaximus6576
      @fistimusmaximus6576 10 місяців тому +6

      @@Tallborn5 no they still disapprove, if you tell wyll to accept everyone is fine and the dialogue after is he did the right thing

    • @Azothify
      @Azothify 10 місяців тому +43

      @@fistimusmaximus6576 by this point the pact is on a 6 month time limit before he's released. That's why Mizora is trying to rewrite it into an inescapable one.

  • @AlJohnstone88
    @AlJohnstone88 9 місяців тому +318

    I really don't see why the party gets so pissy about breaking the contract. His dad's got like 10-15years left to live max against the rest of Wylls life and his soul.
    Wylls already sacrificed more than almost anyone else, why shouldn't he take the chance at freedom?

    • @Miles_Phantasmagoria
      @Miles_Phantasmagoria 8 місяців тому +6

      Haven’t gotten near that point yet, it breaks mind that they would?? I could maybe see a couple of them disapproving, but everyone? That’s pretty fucked up

    • @AlJohnstone88
      @AlJohnstone88 8 місяців тому +28

      @@Miles_Phantasmagoria well most (the good ones anyway), Astarion thinks it's fine which tells you it's supposed to be morally wrong (I disagree).

    • @Miles_Phantasmagoria
      @Miles_Phantasmagoria 8 місяців тому +25

      @@AlJohnstone88 that’s so brutal. Sidebar, the fact that you stipulated that astarion agreeing with the decision codes it as the You Fucked Up one is kinda morbidly hilarious to me.
      Still, poor Wyll. Trying to break free of an internal (in all senses of the word) contract gets him hate among his companions.

    • @kenn9283
      @kenn9283 5 місяців тому

      They can’t hate it much, everyone was still pretty positive to me so I just looked passed it

    • @bengunn9670
      @bengunn9670 5 місяців тому +1

      Everyone acts like Uldred is super important for the city safety and without him city will fall and many people will die.

  • @BioMatic2
    @BioMatic2 10 місяців тому +122

    Choose to break the contract withouth knowing if i could save the duke. No father would want their sons eternal damnation in exchange for their life.

    • @TheSporelord01
      @TheSporelord01 4 місяці тому +3

      No finite thing can ever compensate for infinity. Even Wylls original pact to save a city doesn’t make any sense in the context of an eternity of downside for him.
      Infinity makes everything fucked. Same with Shadowheart and Shar. Saving her parents in exchange for eternity tethered to Shar is not worth it

    • @dude123nice6
      @dude123nice6 2 місяці тому +1

      @@TheSporelord01 Any proof that Shadowheart is bound to Shar for infinity?

    • @aidanstead7272
      @aidanstead7272 2 місяці тому

      ​@@TheSporelord01 yup, if you let Shadowheart make her own choice in the House of Grief she sacrifices them and that says a lot

    • @bearfaery737
      @bearfaery737 Місяць тому +2

      @@TheSporelord01 IIRC, Wyll was ~17 when he made the contract.

    • @TheSporelord01
      @TheSporelord01 Місяць тому

      @@bearfaery737 He was definitely pressured and tricked and in a vulnerable position. That said, he’s high born and educated and lives in Faerun, where deals for souls happen reasonably often. His tutors had an obligation to teach him, basically, “any circumstance that involves infinity is never worth it, never morally permissible. Anyone who tries to tell you that infinite sacrifice is necessary is lying to you. It would literally be better for the universe to snuff out along with every creature than for even one soul to suffer for eternity”

  • @im7254
    @im7254 9 місяців тому +265

    I didn't like how there was no option to let him choose like with others major moments. I like letting them choose. If you know where to go for iron throne saving father is super easy

    • @vex_13
      @vex_13 7 місяців тому +40

      True. This is between wyll, his father, and mizora. Why the hell tav have any say in this situation.

    • @OlhaMaksy
      @OlhaMaksy 5 місяців тому +5

      Maybe, Mizora is right about Will - little puppy who needs commands

  • @lemao2222
    @lemao2222 10 місяців тому +109

    Take this with the grain of salt a devil warrants, but Mizora suggests Ulder's fate is still sealed. He will die at the hands of his enemies. And for a man of his stature, the list of enemies is not a short one.

    • @aarongoosby5532
      @aarongoosby5532 9 місяців тому +67

      Not gonna lie, he was going to die that way either way. Man is a Paladin. If he didn't die in a blaze of glory fighting the evils of the world, Tyr would probably be disappointed.

    • @theeatherlash69
      @theeatherlash69 3 місяці тому +3

      ​@@aarongoosby5532 Duke Ravengard would be disappointed too, I think!

  • @BobaTea702
    @BobaTea702 10 місяців тому +150

    Wyll’s eternal soul or his fathers very fleeting life? Seems like a pretty easy choice to me.

    • @JB-xl2jc
      @JB-xl2jc 9 місяців тому +54

      Yeah, and if I were his dad, I would also want him to not choose to save me. His father is middle aged and he has plenty of enemies and stress. Decent chance he doesn't live that long anyway. He's a mere human too, not an elf or anything. Buying him another decade or two by sacrificing your immortal soul? Uh....

    • @VGJoker
      @VGJoker 9 місяців тому +17

      OR... you can just break the contract and STILL find and save him, no sacrifice required.

    • @mweeee
      @mweeee 7 місяців тому +2

      ⁠@@VGJokerbut Mizora implies, that she will still kill the Duke and that this is just a temporary victory

    • @treehugger0241
      @treehugger0241 6 місяців тому +14

      @@JB-xl2jc Hell, if you continue Shadowheart's quest and turned her away from Shar, she's faced with the same "Family vs Freedom" choice, but her parents outright tell her to pick the latter. Why is it treated as the right decision with her but not with Wyll?

    • @teamwolfe19
      @teamwolfe19 6 місяців тому +2

      @@treehugger0241because shadowheart has to deal with what is essentially chronic pain if her parents live, that’s NOT selling your soul to hell for all eternity. Shadowheart could still go to Selune’s afterlife once she dies.

  • @mrspeeder247
    @mrspeeder247 10 місяців тому +44

    23:09 this actually puts a smile on my face

  • @tyleredge5349
    @tyleredge5349 10 місяців тому +235

    I personally let Wyll be free of his contract and convinced him to become the next grand duke. Its honestly what Ravenguard would have wanted.

    • @fallhayv8470
      @fallhayv8470 10 місяців тому +28

      Maybe, but he is a Blade of Frontiers no more then. Imo being on the frontlines suits him better. Grand Duke has to be smart about what he does. In politics there is no place for grand self sacrificial acts he tends to gravitate to. Besides, if be becomes a blade of Avernus he may convince Karlach to travel to the Hells with him in search of a cure for her engine, instead of Karlach randomly combusting on a pierce in the end.

    • @TF2CrunchyFrog
      @TF2CrunchyFrog 10 місяців тому +7

      @@fallhayv8470 Since the latest patch you can choose to persuade Karlach to go to Avernus with Wyll, or your player character if you romanced her can choose to accompany her, or you all three of you can go to Avernus together and fight devils.

    • @fallhayv8470
      @fallhayv8470 10 місяців тому +2

      @@TF2CrunchyFrog it has always been possible. They just added a cutscene.

    • @Leonion6
      @Leonion6 9 місяців тому +1

      If you free Wyll, can you later kill Mizora?
      (Sorry, I haven't played the game, just been watching videos on youtube xD)

    • @YouTubeChillZone
      @YouTubeChillZone 3 місяці тому

      No you can't it's why we want dlc in hell

  • @zandilar630
    @zandilar630 6 місяців тому +10

    Wyll always acts so surprised when Mizora acts like the devil she is... Like, what else did you expect Wyll?

  • @TheGryfonclaw
    @TheGryfonclaw 8 місяців тому +23

    I never saw much point in letting her have Wyll’s soul in exchange for a location on a map. Seems a bit extreme. All you’d have to do is ask around and figure it out.

    • @starwarslover015
      @starwarslover015 4 місяці тому

      She also helps you out a lot more freeing the Duke of Wyll gives his soul. She’ll let him dash a lot more so it’s easier to get him out

  • @ChaosGaming965
    @ChaosGaming965 10 місяців тому +98

    Remember as well for all her bluster at the end of the day Mizora is only a half devil which is infinitely easier to kill. My main point to that the cult of the absolute caught, bound, and we're preparing to tadpole her, I doubt that would even be possible with Raphael or Yugir to much stronger devils by what we have seen and we killed. And if Duke Ravenguard is supposedly a better fighter than even Wyll I doubt Mizora honestly has even the capability to kill this man before he's rendered feeble due to age.

    • @fistimusmaximus6576
      @fistimusmaximus6576 10 місяців тому

      all true but those sisters who witnessed the pact, Other devils could enforce it as she is signing them its in zariels name. She is just her agent.

    • @TF2CrunchyFrog
      @TF2CrunchyFrog 10 місяців тому +8

      Raphael is only a Cambion (half-devil) too.

    • @ErenKruger-qx3dt
      @ErenKruger-qx3dt 10 місяців тому +12

      @@TF2CrunchyFrog True but he is much more powerful then her since he can even control a greater devil like Yugir

    • @notsubnautic4682
      @notsubnautic4682 8 місяців тому +1

      I’m not too familiar with DND lore but aren’t orthons and devils different from each other?

    • @ChaosGaming965
      @ChaosGaming965 8 місяців тому

      Nah Orthorns are a type of Devil, Devil is the overall race but Orthornn would be the genus as it were.@@notsubnautic4682

  • @Nonamearisto
    @Nonamearisto 10 місяців тому +78

    Odds are, Mizora will keep trying to kill the Duke until she either succeeds or he dies a natural death. But if he's saved from the Iron Throne prison, she doesn't try again in this game.

    • @lehaua8922
      @lehaua8922 10 місяців тому +46

      At the very least, even if she succeeds off-screen, it's already after Wyll and Ulder reconciled and the city is saved. The loss would hurt Wyll, but the closure reduces the long-lasting suffering.

    • @EvelynL.1112
      @EvelynL.1112 10 місяців тому +13

      ​@@lehaua8922A bittersweet conclusion. Even if Ulder dies by Mizora's hand, at least he doesn't harbor any more ill feelings towards Wyll.

    • @JSmith99
      @JSmith99 10 місяців тому +4

      @@EvelynL.1112 It's a better ending than some characters get. *cough* Karlach *cough*

    • @JB-xl2jc
      @JB-xl2jc 9 місяців тому +18

      Eh, by the end of the game there are several godlike entities trying to take my friends and I out. Mizora, a mere cambion, trying to take out one of my buddy's dads? Sounds eminently manageable.

    • @JB-xl2jc
      @JB-xl2jc 9 місяців тому +31

      @@JSmith99 What grinds my gears is that with Karlach we literally canonically have a Scroll of True Resurrection in the hands of the party (Gale has it from game start, though it's a contingency to avoid nuking the Sword Coast, but by the end of the game that's no longer a concern). True Resurrection isn't like Revivify. It COMPLETELY reconstitutes the body of the individual you're targeting. Like, they could be ASH or utterly decayed and dead for 199 years, and poof they're back in perfect health (with the SOLE exception that they didn't die of old age). It regenerates complete organs and limbs if they're damaged or missing, cures any poison disease or malady, etc.
      So not only would Karlach come back with her real heart in place, she'd no longer have all the burns and scarring, the heat vents... hell, even her broken horn would regrow! Gale no longer needs this scroll considering the orb has been handled one way or another by this point in the game. So Karlach's ending feels pretty.... forced. Granted True Resurrection is a level 9 spell, but, considering we were literally directly meeting with gods and having them intervene in the situation, it should be child's play to fix Karlach's heart, if not replace it.

  • @a.m.pietroschek1972
    @a.m.pietroschek1972 9 місяців тому +39

    OK, did nobody else ever notice that WYLL is NOT proficient with rapiers? I noticed that, when trying to warlock-enchant his blade. 🤣 Blade of Frontiers & Avernus with an effing dagger!

    • @chardt02
      @chardt02 4 місяці тому +7

      Must be how you classed him out. As a pure warlock in my first playthrough, he's proficient with rapiers, glaives, halberds, and pikes.

    • @peekay120
      @peekay120 2 місяці тому +3

      @@chardt02 also pact weapon supersedes weapon proficiency

  • @fd7reel103
    @fd7reel103 10 місяців тому +122

    if you have high enough insight you get some extra lines out of mizora i think. in my playthrough she mentioned some parts of the contract where duke will be slain when the contract ends.

    • @Nihilist_Porcupine
      @Nihilist_Porcupine 10 місяців тому +130

      Yeah, I used detect thoughts and got that same dialogue. I still feel like this ending is pragmatic; lesser evil, regardless of how the game tries to bash you for it. No one's soul goes to hell for eternity. Old guy who's gonna die soon anyway gets a reconciliation with his son, the opportunity to save his city, and his soul goes to his god. I was really frustrated with the game for trying to tell me this was a "bad" choice. It's clearly the choice that results in the least suffering. (Given the information you have at the time.)

    • @ahvin4764
      @ahvin4764 10 місяців тому +23

      @@Nihilist_Porcupine The old man is also constantly surrounded by guards and is also a really strong fighter. He'll be fine handling a devil who wants to kill him

    • @cyborgcatrj6794
      @cyborgcatrj6794 10 місяців тому +30

      Yeah, plus Wyll’s service to Mizora will inevitably lead to further harm if indirectly. The only positive in renewing the contract was that he ended up talking Karlach into joining him in Avernus as a demon slaying power couple in my ending.

    • @ibanezplayer8080
      @ibanezplayer8080 9 місяців тому +11

      @@cyborgcatrj6794 so funny enough, broke the contract, saved the duke and Wyll can still become the Blade of Avernus and bring Karlach along to Avernus, just gotta do the quest for finding Ansur and talk to the Duke again afterwards.

    • @JB-xl2jc
      @JB-xl2jc 9 місяців тому +14

      @@ahvin4764 She's only a Cambion, too. I mean, BG3 seems to have cambions as waaaaay stronger than they actually are in typical 5e lore, but yeah, Ravenguard in 5e would absolutely wipe the floor with some random cambion in service to Zariel. He wouldn't even need his guards.

  • @epicender12
    @epicender12 7 місяців тому +13

    I personally saved the duke by having karlach run over to him and cast invisibility on him as soon as he was free. The spiders didn't detect him and I had him make a mad dash all the way to the sub

    • @shakyrob6512
      @shakyrob6512 4 дні тому

      I had to wait a round because when I did it before the cinematic it was erased after. Sanctuary also helps.

  • @emiliodelvalle4093
    @emiliodelvalle4093 8 місяців тому +10

    To be fair, Mizora manipulate the contract multiple times through the quest

  • @homeboi9794
    @homeboi9794 8 місяців тому +17

    I think they patched it so there's no long rest limit to save Duke Ravengard in the Iron Throne.
    I took my sweet time doing all of the other side quests and took minimum 5 long rests and he's still alive when I got to his cell.

    • @YouTubeChillZone
      @YouTubeChillZone 3 місяці тому

      It's interesting because I went to see him without any rest and he's lying dead in his cell

  • @JayJet4
    @JayJet4 10 місяців тому +15

    if only ud posted this 2 days ago, i was trying to find his location everywhere. eventually i figured it out.

  • @PopsGG
    @PopsGG 9 місяців тому +11

    I knocked Wyll's father out, never killed him, but the game still progresses like he is dead. There are other examples where knocking them out progresses like they are alive.

    • @horizonblack8351
      @horizonblack8351 7 місяців тому +3

      Because most of the time in this game counting Knock out as dead. Less animation time, lesser dialog options. Even at act 1 when you knock out the masked armies, they counted as dead.

    • @Mikani_
      @Mikani_ 7 місяців тому +2

      @@horizonblack8351I knocked out the healer of the grove and it was the same, it counted as they where dead
      sometimes knocking down works, sometimes it doesn’t, the lack of consistency is kinda annoying

    • @YouTubeChillZone
      @YouTubeChillZone 3 місяці тому

      And because of this, you don't want to play to be creative sad

  • @mcrevolver6399
    @mcrevolver6399 10 місяців тому +12

    14:22 SHE ACTUALLY KILL HIM THERE

  • @Kojir0555
    @Kojir0555 10 місяців тому +17

    I found Wylls dad same day as Mizora asking to meet at camp. I went under the sea but he was already dead.

    • @onri_
      @onri_ 10 місяців тому +6

      If you already destroyed the steel watch thats what happens

    • @Kojir0555
      @Kojir0555 10 місяців тому +5

      @@onri_ nope didn’t get there until 1-2 long rest after iron throne (didn’t even explore that part of map).

    • @Kross415
      @Kross415 10 місяців тому +3

      Same happened to me, Wyll's quest are pretty buggy, or "were" dunno if they fixed it on one of the hotfixes

    • @kahzel
      @kahzel 10 місяців тому +1

      @@onri_ as of patch 1 this is fixed, because it was a bug.

    • @JB-xl2jc
      @JB-xl2jc 9 місяців тому +13

      Did you visit the Iron Throne BEFORE the scene where Wyll has to choose? If you do, regardless of any other worldstate, Ravenguard will be dead. I am not really sure why. I guess because then it would completely invalidate the most important scene in Wyll's act 3 storyline? Mizora showing up and being like "Sign here or your dad's definitely dead" just hits different when his dad is sipping wine in the Elfsong 20 feet away haha

  • @korgclips868
    @korgclips868 7 місяців тому +7

    I heard that this could be a breach of contract on Wyll’s part and for saving his father when a stipulation of ending the contract was for him to die; this option could unintentionally bound Wylls soul to the hells or Mizora will just the next convenient opportunity to kill him.
    It may be hard but there’s no way Wyll can get everything he wants ontop of freedom without paying a price, even if he doesn’t die in the game she can kill him anytime and successfully saving him only delays the inevitable at best and at worst there’s the possibility that Mizora can take Wyll’s soul for “the breach in contact”
    I hope it’s not the case but when it comes to dealing with Devils I don’t think Wyll ever had the chance of getting what he desires without paying a momentous price.

  • @makaimw
    @makaimw 9 місяців тому +7

    I killed all the steel watchers, and had the Duke, and Gortesh knocked out on the ground just across the bridge from Mizzora, but she still acted like he was dead. There was no way that I could find where he would wake up either. After a long rest, his body just vanished.

    • @Mikani_
      @Mikani_ 7 місяців тому +1

      I think they even pached it up, just knocked him out on the same quest today and he just bursts into flames when the combat is over

  • @imnotlasagna
    @imnotlasagna 10 місяців тому +7

    Wonder if you can go down to the throne in disguise and if Gortash still gets on comms

  • @theredguardowen8083
    @theredguardowen8083 4 місяці тому

    God the voice acting on the duke is so good

  • @myelsmagus999
    @myelsmagus999 10 місяців тому +3

    Casting restoration lets you control this dude and frees him of the devil's charm

  • @redrangers12330
    @redrangers12330 2 місяці тому +1

    I did this, I had to re-have each conversation regarding wyll twice, once with wyll and once with his dad
    Because they thought he died but also knew he lived

  • @Velisatra
    @Velisatra 10 місяців тому +22

    When I did this after saving him despite ending the pact all the dialog acted like Wyll had renewed the pact to save his father. Seems yours has as well with that "1. Your son sacrificed his soul to save yours. He had no other choice." dialog in camp showing up, though I of course also chose 4. Then that "You gave yourself to the Hells' eternal fires so I might walk free" line. Bug I reckon.

    • @cccbbbaaa110
      @cccbbbaaa110 9 місяців тому +14

      The game is completely not polished in act3.

    • @JB-xl2jc
      @JB-xl2jc 9 місяців тому +9

      @@cccbbbaaa110Sadly this is pretty typical for Larian, the early game is INCREDIBLY polished because it was out in EA, but the later game has a lot less polish until later on- DOS2 by the time of the Definitive Edition for instance was extremely polished throughout, but at release Act IV was very much not.

    • @bauloprete3905
      @bauloprete3905 9 місяців тому +6

      To be fair, it could ment about before
      I can confirm this was a bug. Wyll says: you failed Mizora, my father Is saved and my changes unbroken.
      Also, Wyll speks at the ending how his power are all gone

    • @fredy2041
      @fredy2041 9 місяців тому

      @@bauloprete3905 Yeah, I'm 100 sure it was about before

    • @arjunkishore4080
      @arjunkishore4080 8 місяців тому

      Yeah, I was playing a durge redeemed and ended up slaughtering the grove, but saving the Duke, but he still asks for us to bring Wyll to talk about how Ansur was killed.

  • @supremebuffalo6322
    @supremebuffalo6322 9 місяців тому +4

    9:04 if you just want the map location

  • @fgpraxis4463
    @fgpraxis4463 10 місяців тому +8

    For me Duke was dead in the prison because i didn't long rest after entering lower city (no cut scene/dumb quest mechanic) before steelwatcher side quest, Mizora killed him and i freed Wyll so byebye Duke, his armor is fine on Laezel in the end. 😄

  • @awoodenkiwitoy6293
    @awoodenkiwitoy6293 7 місяців тому +1

    Look Mizora if you really wanted him dead you'd have sent more than some spiders to finish the job

  • @sebastianbeyer6897
    @sebastianbeyer6897 10 місяців тому +6

    In my playthrough i didn't make any pacts and found the throne by simply exploring even befor i took my next long rest. But when the escape started the duke was already dead and i can't seem to stop him from to die.

  • @naufaldzakie195
    @naufaldzakie195 10 місяців тому +1

    is it okay to sleep to use long rest alot after breaking wyll's pact?

  • @VandalXXI
    @VandalXXI 8 місяців тому +2

    WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT? I'm trying to figure out how to save him, and it just cuts from being surrounded by spiders to just suddenly being safe????

  • @songbird6414
    @songbird6414 5 місяців тому +1

    I did this and Mizora just acted like she’d helped us out instead. Did the full quest with him alive and all the dialogue is acting like he’s still in the pact.

  • @hyperdoughnut3266
    @hyperdoughnut3266 10 місяців тому

    What’s the armour called that you have on Wyll?

  • @ravell2854
    @ravell2854 10 місяців тому +13

    is it possible to save wyll's dad without talking with mizora? i mean going to the iron throne without her information but after gortash coronation?

    • @Northalix
      @Northalix  10 місяців тому +2

      I believe so.

    • @decader1227
      @decader1227 10 місяців тому +4

      I tried that but the Duke is dead when i got to the prison

    • @rhodan74
      @rhodan74 10 місяців тому +7

      You can break the contract and still save the duke. I went to the coronation, told Mizora to f* off and free Wyll, did some other quests, went for the gondians, found the u-boat.
      Gotta do it in a turn limit, get clear of a blast, then stop Mizoras summoning and escape. Longstrider, speed potions, dimension door, teleport circle etc are your friend.

    • @JB-xl2jc
      @JB-xl2jc 9 місяців тому +10

      No. If you go there BEFORE Mizora's cutscene he will be dead in his cell. You need to get the Mizora cutscene and ONLY THEN go to the prison to save him.
      I'm guessing the reason why is that if you go there and free him and then Mizora shows up, she.... basically doesn't have any reason to be there lol. It kinda messes up the story then, Wyll would've had no real Act 3 plot. So, they instead kill Ravenguard so you can go down his Act 3 plot with the angst of his pops dying instead.

  • @gadget8637
    @gadget8637 5 місяців тому

    I love how there's no consequences to doing this, either

  • @johnveritas8904
    @johnveritas8904 9 місяців тому

    Did anyone else said "oops" like I do when baron mentioned Ansur?

  • @rabidslurpy
    @rabidslurpy 2 місяці тому

    2:33 That awkward smile makes me laugh every time.

  • @LouiVerse
    @LouiVerse 6 місяців тому +1

    Can you still break the contract and save the duke? Or has it been patched?

  • @makaimw
    @makaimw 8 місяців тому

    I can’t seem to get the top dialogue option to appear, at about 6:55.

  • @shakyrob6512
    @shakyrob6512 4 дні тому

    I kinda want to do this with a hornless Wyll to see how it changes the reaction with dad since the horns do come up.

  • @Nehelenia3000
    @Nehelenia3000 6 місяців тому

    I did it out of order. I got the quest with ansur from wyll’s old friend, fought him, wyll declared himself grand duke, then I saved his father. I also never got a cutscene with mizora at the end, not sure if it was a bug.

  • @ShikaRoddy
    @ShikaRoddy 10 місяців тому +10

    can you planar bind mizora?

    • @MarkusM121
      @MarkusM121 10 місяців тому

      Nope. Teleports away and reappears seconds later. (I tried)

  • @ant3910
    @ant3910 7 місяців тому

    Why my quest log after break wyll pact just like “grand duke is no longer our concern” and the quest just complete? In my previous playthrough the quest log was “there’s still a way to save him”

  • @phelanjo
    @phelanjo 2 місяці тому

    What sword is on Will's back, i don't think i found that one.

  • @manafish8732
    @manafish8732 4 місяці тому

    thank you, the dialogue for mizora after doing this didn't trigger for me and she was acting like normal. i was looking forward to laughing at her too

  • @Caa129
    @Caa129 10 місяців тому +9

    Thank you for the video, I went back to the throne room to try and find some clue of where he's at. Really wish you could just have someone let you know where he's at like the consular approaching you or one of her henchmen. I'm currently playing as Wyll for my MC and if I had known how poorly his story was written I would've just gone with dark urge. Wylls story feels really half baked which is unfortunate this is just another example of that.

    • @denises753
      @denises753 10 місяців тому +8

      If you encountered Omeluum in Act I, he will be present in the Iron Throne in Act III, telling you that Ulder is there and that you need to save him.
      Wyll's story doesn't feel half-baked, to me.Not as half-baked as Karlach's, who returns to Hell without a conclusion to her infernal heart problem, or Astarion, whose vampiric powers would likely cause him problems in the future.

  • @LocalMaple
    @LocalMaple 9 місяців тому

    Is there a step missing? Because he was dead when I went to rescue him, and I went straight to him after meeting Mizora outside the keep.

    • @unaseckler1959
      @unaseckler1959 9 місяців тому +3

      You have to have the scene with Mizora in your camp with the witnesses or she goes to the prison ahead of you and kills the duke herself. She will hint to that after the fact. But you can choose not to renew the pact and then rescue the duke in the prison after.

  • @elmozelf
    @elmozelf 6 місяців тому

    Ivar the boneless coming to the rescue! 😂

  • @MavenWalsh
    @MavenWalsh 10 місяців тому +6

    Ok the hate thing she has going with Wyll is freaking _hilarious_ 😂. You'd think he accidentally pissed in her coffee🤣.

  • @lagunamusic7686
    @lagunamusic7686 5 місяців тому +1

    Mizora sisters are fine af

  • @RagingSpartin
    @RagingSpartin 9 місяців тому

    If you long rest after you break the pack the the duke die?

  • @manuelsilva3365
    @manuelsilva3365 6 місяців тому

    I broke Wyll's pact and saved Ravenguard but i couldn't get the dialogue for Mizora post iron throne

  • @TheBrinkofDestruction
    @TheBrinkofDestruction 8 місяців тому

    ah beans, I forgor about the dargoon and beat the game without waking him up.

  • @swanchamp5136
    @swanchamp5136 5 місяців тому

    I've been sat for over an hour staring at Mizora and the 4 choices which are really just 2 choices of sign the contract or dont for Wyll without even getting input from him or letting him make the choice.
    It's pretty obvious there's a massive clause in the contract about either Wyll or a party member being able to kill him which suggests she would trick either Wyll or one of us to kill him, the other thing is we know he has a tadpole in his head so his life is already forfeit because if you kill the elder brain anyone with a tadpole becomes a mindflayer instantly. We have so far found no way to remove them either.
    Right now Wylls father mightcas well be dead already.
    Plus, the four options do not fit for a Paladin. No paladin would condone signing the contract.
    Also, this is hardly tricking someone into signing a contract. This is just a straight-up, 'sign this, Wyll or i kill your father'
    This is just bonkers bad writing. Also we already negotiated Wylls release? So why is it now acting like he's breaking a contract by not signing a new one?

  • @cameronwiley9412
    @cameronwiley9412 24 дні тому

    What happens if Ansur is already dead, and Wyll already decided what he wants to be before saving his father?

  • @thogvii934
    @thogvii934 9 місяців тому

    holy shit ravengards music cue is so good

  • @WatchMan283
    @WatchMan283 5 місяців тому

    My game bugged and Mizora had no reaction to me saving the Duke. Which was weird since she actively tried to stop me.

    • @scoppergaban.4688
      @scoppergaban.4688 3 місяці тому

      Same thing happened to me. I knew something went wrong that's why i searched for this video

  • @proofAnthony
    @proofAnthony 10 місяців тому

    Wheres the I'll just wait the 6 months option like damn.

  • @proofAnthony
    @proofAnthony 10 місяців тому

    Fyi the duke will still die. It's just when mizora wants it to happen.

  • @nickwest1305
    @nickwest1305 7 місяців тому +1

    I don’t get some of the story telling a implications. In my story, the duke was dead when I grabbed his body while in the iron throne. I also had a level 11 life cleric as my main character. In dnd a level 11 cleric would have raise dead. I should be able to just revive the dead dukes body with my cleric casting revivify or raise dead. Or even use a recovery scroll or ask withers to revive him. I would have liked to tell minors to go back to hell and save his father

  • @thetick7684
    @thetick7684 10 місяців тому

    Why is the duke just dead in his cell?

  • @AlekVen
    @AlekVen 10 місяців тому

    When I arrived at the prison, the Duke was already dead. Maybe I did something wrong, don't know.

    • @MyViolador
      @MyViolador 10 місяців тому

      Too many long rests or you triggered the alarm at the factory

  • @revelation9125
    @revelation9125 6 місяців тому

    Has anyone tried rescuing him before talking to mizora in your camp? I’m curious if she still intervenes without ever offering a deal.

    • @mckoa9485
      @mckoa9485 6 місяців тому

      Hes dead if you do it that way

  • @kenn9283
    @kenn9283 5 місяців тому

    I hate how bugged this mission was for me. Her spawning in the prison kept bugging out my game, had to save at the start and reload to get all of it and still had to sacrifice my whole party minus Wyll (your bodies wash ashore to revive). But what’s her tits would never address that I beat her, just chills in my camp saying “ready and waiting”.

  • @brandoncampbell9794
    @brandoncampbell9794 4 місяці тому +1

    just use sactuary on the duke

  • @balltavorb
    @balltavorb 9 місяців тому

    I never found mizora in baldur's under after the Iron Throne, where I found the already dead duke. Am I fucked?

    • @DoffyDogg
      @DoffyDogg 9 місяців тому

      U gotta find her before the coronation

    • @balltavorb
      @balltavorb 9 місяців тому

      Oops. Oh well, rip duke. Thanks. @@DoffyDogg

  • @needheals8906
    @needheals8906 10 місяців тому +10

    Goddamn I need to romance Wyll while I can. Karlach trying to take my man

  • @momoxh
    @momoxh 10 місяців тому +6

    for me Mizora never show up in my camp, anyone has any idea whats going on?

    • @hanasakura702
      @hanasakura702 10 місяців тому +1

      Maybe a bug? Did you free her when she was in the absolute?

    • @momoxh
      @momoxh 10 місяців тому

      yeah i freed her back there, and talked to her when we just crossed the bridge in a fort, i've never seen her since then @@hanasakura702

    • @DoffyDogg
      @DoffyDogg 9 місяців тому +1

      @@hanasakura702 ppl just rush main quests and then they wonder why no npc interacts with them 😬 when they skip/kill half of them

  • @SuperMaimed
    @SuperMaimed 10 місяців тому

    Havent tried it this way, but my assumption is that this way karlach dies in the end. No blade os avernus no karlach living .

    • @Northalix
      @Northalix  10 місяців тому

      There is a way for Karlach to live without Wyll, considering you romance her

    • @peruru84
      @peruru84 9 місяців тому

      I didn't romance Karlach, had Wyll break his contract, and saved the dad, and Wyll went with Karlach into Avernus.

  • @The92Ghost
    @The92Ghost 4 місяці тому

    Too bad, there is no third option making Wyll your pet or something among those lines.

  • @KingNazaru
    @KingNazaru 5 місяців тому

    One really must ask Mizora how does it feel to be a part of the losers’ club?

  • @Spukow
    @Spukow 10 місяців тому +1

    Why don´t you show us how to save everyone just the cutscenes?

    • @Northalix
      @Northalix  10 місяців тому

      I mainly make scenes and outcomes videos, very rarely guides. Also I am not very good at this game xD

    • @sarevock2076
      @sarevock2076 10 місяців тому

      for my part i used Shadowheart +speed potion , first scrollspell is Dimentional Door , where i pick up the duc and shadowheart for away of his cell, Mizora appear and spawn spider but it's still my turn (speed potion) my second scrollspell is "Globe of invulnerability" (Create a barrier that makes creatures and objects inside it Immune to all damage.),(also i moved shadowhear tto close the doors where are the fishmonsters behind me) , when you move the duc when it is his turn (inside the globe) the spider trigger their opportunity attack and explose (even if they are inside the globe too) and i can tell the duc to rush the ladder.

    • @Nhyufll
      @Nhyufll 10 місяців тому

      I personally got the boots of dimension door first from the bhaal assassin dolor then send however is wearing them to save wyll’s dad and the other guy send 2 to save the gondians and 1 to free the 2 and omeluum if he still alive drink a speed potion on every character after both wyll’s dad and the other guy escape close that door trapping mizora’s spiders and the sahagin then free the prisoners near the sub then start fighting off the spawning sahagin with the dimension door character free omeluum from his binding use his special power to teleport him and your party member back for the 2 of the gondian side rush to free them asap with one of them and have the other kill/cc them you will get staggered for a turn but 3 turns of double movement and actions is worth it and you can get everyone out even on tactician i did it like that at level 10

  • @dank-bongripper9836
    @dank-bongripper9836 8 місяців тому

    why's your character with the black in his face?

    • @velinas_
      @velinas_ 5 місяців тому

      Half-illithid template. Goes away after the elder brain is defeated and all the tadpoles die.

  • @Stevobrazy
    @Stevobrazy 10 місяців тому

    How did he survive the spiders explosion?

    • @Northalix
      @Northalix  10 місяців тому +2

      Dimension door xD

    • @sarevock2076
      @sarevock2076 10 місяців тому +3

      for my part i used Shadowheart +speed potion , first scrollspell is Dimentional Door , where i pick up the duc and shadowheart for away of his cell, Mizora appear and spawn spider but it's still my turn (speed potion) my second scrollspell is "Globe of invulnerability" (Create a barrier that makes creatures and objects inside it Immune to all damage.),(also i moved shadowhear tto close the doors where are the fishmonsters behind me) , when you move the duc when it is his turn (inside the globe) the spider trigger their opportunity attack and explose (even if they are inside the globe too) and i can tell the duc to rush the ladder.
      the rest of my team (with speed potion too) helped others guys in others room , made saved all prisonniers (in tactician you have only 5 turn)

    • @xaviervega468
      @xaviervega468 10 місяців тому +3

      You can also heal the Duke enough to survive them.

    • @carbodude5414
      @carbodude5414 10 місяців тому +2

      The Fear spell works against those spiders

    • @Velisatra
      @Velisatra 10 місяців тому

      Remove curse + heal him before the spiders come then dimension door him. That's how I do it.

  • @mahmud7645
    @mahmud7645 Місяць тому

    01:08 She dreamt on my scheme till I risible (shoot me please)

  • @-nomi.-
    @-nomi.- 5 місяців тому

    this was so not worth losing karlach forever FUCK

  • @fistimusmaximus6576
    @fistimusmaximus6576 10 місяців тому +2

    I think most people don't grasp that his father will die, She is a agent of zariel(seen people say just because she is half devil) assuming zariel has full control of the contract and his father will die from it as it was witnessed by the sisters. Whats strange is the game already explains that mindflayers have no soul so killing him is essentially a good thing as his soul would be claimed by his patron god as a Petitioner.

    • @caitiff52
      @caitiff52 10 місяців тому

      Except the ceremorphosis isn't complete yet--he's still not a mindflayer. So, killing him before he's changed will net them his soul.

    • @fistimusmaximus6576
      @fistimusmaximus6576 10 місяців тому +1

      killing him before is actually a mercy.@@caitiff52

    • @caitiff52
      @caitiff52 10 місяців тому

      Except, because of the new contract, killing him before would send his soul to Hell. Not much of a mercy.@@fistimusmaximus6576

    • @AlJohnstone88
      @AlJohnstone88 9 місяців тому +1

      Well, not entirely true. The Duke would have to be murdered by Zariels devils (and Devils have a limited ability to operate on the mortal plain) or indirectly by his enemies. The Duke himself can't just be killed by someone else's pact.

    • @fistimusmaximus6576
      @fistimusmaximus6576 9 місяців тому

      they surely have mortal agents.@@AlJohnstone88

  • @Cooliofamily
    @Cooliofamily 5 місяців тому

    Zesty testis!!!!!

  • @BLACKWITHAGUN
    @BLACKWITHAGUN 10 місяців тому

    What armor is that?

    • @Northalix
      @Northalix  10 місяців тому +1

      Bonespike Garb, I think you can get it from Rivington Smithy merchant at Chapter 3.

    • @BLACKWITHAGUN
      @BLACKWITHAGUN 10 місяців тому

      @@Northalix nice, I'll just spawn it

    • @Norinia
      @Norinia 10 місяців тому

      @@BLACKWITHAGUNdon’t make the game too easy. Spoils the joy.

    • @BLACKWITHAGUN
      @BLACKWITHAGUN 10 місяців тому

      @Norinia nah I'm good. I'm mainly in it for the story anyways. Almost done with all achievements and been using SOOO many mods. It's great.

    • @Norinia
      @Norinia 10 місяців тому

      @@BLACKWITHAGUN you can still get achievements with mods? Didn’t work that way for me.

  • @Imoenn
    @Imoenn 10 місяців тому +6

    Karlach and Wyll really are meant to be together

  • @iamcool544
    @iamcool544 9 місяців тому

    The choice is stupid cause she cant guarantee either outcome.

  • @vonbennett8670
    @vonbennett8670 10 місяців тому +2

    Mizora is such a 'Babe'...wish there was more interaction with her. Could be fun....if not very dangerous for the group.

    • @fistimusmaximus6576
      @fistimusmaximus6576 10 місяців тому

      yeah, not enough "evil" characters perhaps dlc she joins you.

    • @vonbennett8670
      @vonbennett8670 10 місяців тому

      @@fistimusmaximus6576 Why not a good character? Maybe they both just hit it off? Maybe that special potion from Araj Oblodra changed your blond chemistry in a way that Mizora is attracted immensely to the character's new pheromones. Plus she truly admires the character for their strength, leadership and overall successes. Maybe the character finds Mizora a strong, sexy, beautiful woman. Maybe the get together both thinking they can change the other. Just think of the inner party complications and additional minor quests that Mizora could provide.

  • @cyanideinmycereal1077
    @cyanideinmycereal1077 9 місяців тому +4

    Mizora is like easily top 3 most insufferable characters in the game, up there with Astarion and Halsin.

    • @velinas_
      @velinas_ 5 місяців тому

      Or 3 of the best ones, depending on personal taste. Both Astarion and Mizora are very well written. Halsin is more sparsely written but extremely useful.

  • @TheFatAmericans1
    @TheFatAmericans1 9 місяців тому

    Such a dumb part of the story, she literally tries to kill the dad herself, ridiculous.