Why We Left Catholicism - And Why We Came Back! (w/ The Catholic Brothers)
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- In this episode of The Cordial Catholic, in one of the most enjoyable episodes to date, I'm joined by Daniel and Steven from @TheCatholicBrothers to talk about their journey out of and back into the Catholic faith.
Raised in a devout Catholic home, Daniel and Steven unpack exactly what drew them out of the Catholic faith and into Evangelical Christianity, then Anglicanism, and finally back into full communion with the Catholic Church.
It's an amazing story that touches on some of the beautiful experiences of Evangelical Christianity, the need for an authority structure in Anglicanism, and, eventually, the authentic witness of the Early Church Fathers for the truth of Catholic Christianity.
This episode is just jam-packed and Daniel and Steven are fantastic storytellers with an excellent story to tell.
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As a son, grandson, nephew and cousin of sincere and faithful Baptist Pastors I have been a Baptist for more than 50 years. Four years ago, in a Baptist bookstore, I bought a book about the Church Fathers. I had never felt confortable in a church where Church history was ignored and despised, and proudly so. As I read the Fathers' primary sources I realized that they were Catholic as far as the Eucharist, Sacraments, Papacy, Canon, Mary, Saints or relics were concerned. I had no choice but to become Catholic, which I did last October 9th 2022.
Welcome home!!!
Amen 🙏
Similar background and same result. Every year brings greater confirmation on my decision. Congratulations!
This is huge! Welcome brother!
Congratulations!
I pray that my children who turned away, have as much resilience and seriousness to follow that path
Your children are in our prayers.
Israel was the chosen people by God. And how many times did they commit the worst sins!?!? And yet God’s promise was fulfilled amongst them. I see the Catholic Church as the new Israel and Christ’s promise of the gates of hell not prevailing against it. It has stood for 2000 years besides all the sins committed in it. But as Israel has its Prophets (good fruits), we have our Saints and the Prophets. God Bless!!
Great story of conversion.
Welcome home brothers.Let your Narrow Gate's journey begin with the passion for Christ.......
Thank you
I’m sorry but what is the book Steven (?) was holding up at the end of the podcast??
@TheCatholicBrothers Paging Stephen! :)
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:14 *🛤️ Daniel and Steven from The Catholic Brothers share their conversion journey from Catholicism to Anglicanism and back to Catholicism.*
- Raised in a devout Catholic family, Daniel and Steven initially left Catholicism for evangelical Christianity.
- Their departure from Catholicism was fueled by questions about their relationship with Jesus and dissatisfaction with their Catholic upbringing.
- After years of exploring Protestantism and delving into early church history, they both returned to Catholicism through serious academic study and personal reflection.
02:25 *🛣️ Daniel and Steven describe their transition from Catholicism to evangelical Christianity.*
- Influenced by their older brother's evangelical experience, they were drawn to evangelicalism's emphasis on a personal relationship with Jesus.
- Questions about Catholic doctrines, such as veneration of Mary and the saints, led them to reject Catholicism.
- They found evangelicalism's focus on personal testimonies and life transformation appealing, leading them to embrace evangelical beliefs.
05:37 *🔄 Daniel and Steven recount their departure from Catholicism and their family's reaction.*
- Despite their departure from Catholicism, they continued attending Catholic church services for a few years while harboring doubts about Catholic teachings.
- They ultimately made the decision to leave Catholicism completely, leading to a tense moment when they informed their parents and left home.
- Their departure marked a significant shift in their spiritual journey, as they embraced evangelical beliefs and began attending a Bible Church.
18:06 *🛤️ The brothers reunite after a family tragedy, leading to discussions about faith.*
- Despite leaving Catholicism, the brothers remained open to truth and seeking a genuine experience of God.
- Initial exploration of Protestantism led to debates and discussions about liturgy and church practices.
19:47 *📖 Exploring various denominations and theological perspectives.*
- Initial attraction to expository preaching and fellowship in Evangelical churches.
- Growing interest in sacramental aspects like baptism and gravitation towards historical figures like Luther.
22:06 *🎓 Delving into the study of history and church fathers.*
- Transitioning from a focus solely on the Bible to exploring the writings of early church fathers.
- Academic engagement with church history deepens their understanding of Christianity.
25:33 *⛪️ Exploring Anglicanism and its theological implications.*
- Transitioning to Anglicanism due to its liturgical and intellectual tradition.
- Wrestling with Anglican theology and its implications on broader Christian tradition.
29:05 *🤔 Reevaluating Anglicanism and considering broader theological questions.*
- Critically examining the Anglican branch theory and its historical claims.
- Wrestling with the theological implications of Anglicanism's divergence from historical Christian practices.
32:07 *💡 Encountering John Henry Newman's influence and its impact on faith.*
- Reading John Henry Newman's writings leads to a reevaluation of Anglican theology.
- Recognizing the theological coherence and historical continuity in Catholicism.
36:35 *🛤️ The dilemma of questioning God's blessing upon the Catholic Church.*
- Exploring the perception of the Catholic Church facing challenges and criticism despite its growth.
- Reflecting on the significance of God's promise and historical controversies within Christianity.
- Considering the theological implications of the Catholic Church's endurance amidst cultural shifts.
39:51 *🕊️ Discovering liturgical beauty and a sense of home in Catholicism.*
- Encountering the allure of liturgical tradition amidst personal spiritual journeys.
- Reflecting on the impact of experiencing the traditional Latin Mass on one's faith perspective.
- Highlighting the role of relational and charismatic experiences in the Catholic liturgy.
41:46 *🏰 Embracing the Catholic Church's universality and personal conviction.*
- Narrating the journey of reconsidering Catholicism and encountering diverse expressions of faith.
- Reflecting on the universal appeal and inclusivity of the Catholic Church.
- Emphasizing the role of personal intuition and relational dynamics in religious discernment.
46:49 *🎙️ Sharing intellectual and spiritual journeys through podcasting.*
- Discussing the motivation behind launching a podcast to document personal faith explorations.
- Emphasizing the educational and dialogical aspects of sharing religious journeys through podcasting.
- Highlighting the intention to engage diverse religious perspectives and foster intellectual discourse.
55:10 *📜 Early Misconceptions about Church History*
- Early Protestant upbringing instilled the belief in a church revolution led by Constantine.
- Lack of historical understanding regarding the continuity of the early Church beyond the apostolic era.
- Emphasizes the importance of studying the first five centuries of the Church for a deeper understanding.
57:03 *⛪ Crisis of Conversion and Lack of Spiritual Fatherhood*
- Many Catholics lack a true conversion experience, leading to a crisis within the Church.
- Urgent need for preaching the gospel and fostering genuine conversion experiences.
- Shortage of holy and humble priests exacerbates the crisis within the Roman Catholic Church.
59:36 *🙏 Importance of Understanding Sin and Seeking Redemption*
- The importance of acknowledging sin and experiencing genuine repentance is emphasized.
- Lack of understanding of sin's gravity contributes to the decline in confessional practices.
- Urgent need for preaching on sin and redemption to foster a deeper spiritual connection among Catholics.
01:05:13 *📚 Insights from Early Church Structure and Authority*
- Exploration of the hierarchical structure and authority within the early Church.
- Recognition of the tangible and connected nature of the early Christian community.
- Reevaluation of the significance of bishops and priesthood in preserving the integrity of the Church.
01:09:23 *🔄 Reformation's Impact on Church Tradition and Culture*
- Critique of the Reformation's disruption of the historical priesthood and hierarchical structure.
- Examination of the consequences of deviating from established church traditions.
- Reflections on the cultural and theological ramifications of altering the ecclesiastical framework.
01:12:24 *🕊️ Questioning Luther's break from Catholicism*
- The discussion revolves around questioning Luther's decision to break from Catholicism and the authority behind it.
- Reflecting on whether Luther's actions were justified and whether Protestant lineage can be traced with certainty.
- Exploring why God continues to bless the Catholic Church despite historical challenges.
01:17:07 *💒 Inviting to experience Mass*
- Emphasizing the importance of inviting individuals who are on the fence about Catholicism to experience Mass.
- Highlighting the transformative power of participating in the Catholic liturgy.
- Suggesting that personal experience with Mass can lead to a deeper understanding and appreciation of Catholicism.
01:21:14 *🤝 Finding relaxation in Catholicism*
- Discussing the sense of relief and relaxation experienced by converts upon embracing Catholicism.
- Reflecting on the comfort found in the stability and authority of the Catholic Church.
- Emphasizing the contrast between constant theological debate in Protestantism and the peace found in Catholicism's doctrinal certainty.
Hey you guys, welcome Home! Are you aware that there is a whole East IN the Catholic Church? The Liturgy is like Orthodox, but CATHOLIC! I am blessed that in my area there are 5 different Eastern Rites from which to choose. Ruthenian Byzantine is the best. :-)
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Luther married a nun , that might be another reason he left the Church
This guy be like 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
My wife left the Church for 30 years. She didn’t know squat She left to get the Holy Ghost, and probably for boys, cause there are hardly any Catholics here in Alabama. Slim Pickens I guess. But after 30 years she invited me to Mass, and here we are! Now our grandkids are Cradle Catholics!!!! ❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉😊😊😊
Hi, John! How are you and Connie? I hafta get back to your podcasts! And oh yeah -- Roll Tide! (heeheehee)
Well praise the Lord! Welcome home brother.
I have never heard an ex-Catholic who knew Catholicism. That includes well read men like ex-Catholic John Bradshaw.
How beautiful!
That is so awesome
I pray for my daughter to return to the Catholic Church 🙏, in Jesus name 🙏🙏
Ditto!
Cradle Catholic. Left, came back , left, came back. Through Covid epidemic, made the final decision, I am a Catholic. No more going back.
About time ...never leave CATHOLIC ever again
Sounds somewhat similar to me, except I wasn't cradle Catholic. I converted, left, came back, left, kind of came back, left, and now am back again at least as of a few weeks ago.
@imher don't ever leave the one true, faith again!! I say this bc I am 74, and I think I have seen it all!! werdio6852
@@albieinangelus921 no worries; I don't want to
As a Pentecostal who just registered for classes in the Catholic Church, this was s as amazing conversation!
Woo hoo! Thanks for watching and praying for you in your journey!
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@@TheCordialCatholicditto!!!!
...and the Saints come marching in 😁 God bless you!
I have always been a Catholic since birth and am proud of it. I have been studying other beliefs and I think I will always be a Catholic until the end of my days. How I so love this Church. In this beautiful Church I feel very peaceful although it has been attacked from many sides but it still stands strong. I am almost 70 now.
Me too. I have experienced or visited other religion but Catholic keeps me grounded and it’s where I belong until the end of my days.
Cradle Catholic too ❤
Ditto, and I am 74!! I keep learning, and learning and learnimg!!! He keeps teaching me!! Would He if I did not have the hx of the Catholic Church? Dunno, but don't see it happening. Matters not. I know this faith and I see how He has used her!
Was just wondering. Have you ever met an EX Catholic that knew the teachings of the Church? I have yet to meet one. My wife’s family left the church and troll my channel, and they know less about Catholicism than my cat.
Is your pet... *CAT* holic? 🤓
Seriously, though, I've never met one. Leaving the Catholic Church is *always* an exercise of emotion. It nearly always happens in one of a few forms - the saddest of which is the balding, mid-life crisis dude who ditches his family and becomes evangelical because the Church won't grant him the annulment fast enough. Then, there's the well-meaning but dreadfully ill-informed proud parents of a gay teen, or the revolutionary twenty-something who thinks the Church doesn't do enough for the poor (because they've never heard of Rerum Novarum)... more political than personal, whatever the case may be. Last but not least is the guy from high school who married a Southern baptist chick or whatever, and he never cared that much in the first place. I'd say a good 95%+ of ex-Catholics fall into one of those three categories. You never hear from anybody as impressive as Scott Hahn or Jimmy Akin or Keith Nester or John Bergsma or Trent Horn or Steve Ray or David Anders... It just doesn't exist among ex-Catholics who join Protestant "churches." In fact, the best ex-Catholics I know are the ones who have lost faith in God completely but are still trying to be good people. I pray for them all the time, because there's still a glimmer of light there in most cases.
My Priest told me that when Luther was an old man his servant reported that he used to sit by his fireside saying over and over "Oh Martin. What have you done"? His servant later became a catholic, then a Priest, and finally an Abbot, so his word is trustworthy.
That's a fascinating tale! Do you recall his servant's name?
The energy I usually spent "figuring it out" is now spent working on becoming a Saint.
The 'First Five Hundred Years' series on The Catholic Brothers Channel is astonishingly good. I learned so much, I could almost smell Isreal! Having historical context, which the series provides in spades, for me brought the characters in the Gospels and their actions/reactions alive in a much more tangible way. The idea of the Church as 'Isreal' and the continuity of salvation history is so well articulated by the two brothers. I used to have a kind of 'punctuation' mark in my mind around the fall of ancient Isreal and the birth of Christianity, which of course there is...but it's only a comma not a period lol. Understanding how diverse and expectant the Jewish peoples beliefs were during the time of Jesus gives so much more perspective. I'm on my second listen to the series, and found it a wonderful accompaniment to 'Bible in a year'. So grateful that these two lads went to the effort to share their journey ❤
I love this! Thanks for watching.
Thank you! I love history too. Last year I took the Bible Timeline through our parish and it was awesome. I can't wait to hear this series.
Isreal? Or Israel?
Yes, true Hebrew Believers in Moses were heavily persecuted by those who also persecuted The Prophets and the Apostles! There is no racial difference for anyone, but Judaism is a false religion for anyone. I pray for the conversion of all Jews and all those who hold to false religions!
Our Priests are very few and overworked with two and three churches to look after. Pray for more good holy Priests.
I’m a Gen X this is allot of our stories horrible CCD an no knowledge of Jesus, bad religious education , it was backwards teaching we talk to much of Mary an the Saints and no Jesus when it should of been Jesus first then add on Mary and the saints, i am catholic still but almost left from the bad education but studied myself and did a Bible study and stayed Catholic
I’m a revert for some of the same reasons you mentioned. Thanks.
I wanted to know what it was like for these two brothers, at the end of their journey, to go home and say "Mom and Dad, you were right!"
Sorry, as a Mom....I can't help wondering!
Very happy to see that these prodigal sons found their way back home...
God bless them! ⚘️
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Praying for my son to one day come back like the catholic brothers 🙏, as a mother I am very sad he left ,but praying for him 🙏
Praying for him, too!
My son began losing his way in college.
Following college he had a Jewish friend who went into the Navy, and had a conversion while on the ship.
His conversion sparked a lot of conversation and helped my son find his way back.
Give your son time, and never stop praying for him! ⚘️
@@rosiegirl2485 thank you ,God bless
Most people leave because of misunderstandings and poor Catholic Christian education (like we worship Mary or the worst one that we’re not Christian ) bla bla , if you get Jesus at the center then add the rest like Mary and the saints to it is how the education should of been but most were backwards, it’s easier to understand that way for me , Trent Horn and the Bible study by Jeff Cavins and this podcast and others like it helped me stay catholic I almost left
I hear you! My older son has influenced my younger son to wander away. But for my kids, it's not a Relationship-with-Jesus Thing. I wish it were! I keep praying for them to actually experience Jesus. But for them, it's ideological. They're convinced that Catholicism isn't "based." They think Dyerite Orthodoxy is "based" and Islam is "based," but Catholicism is "cucked." Oy, don't get me started. St Monica, pray for us!
Enjoying this. I work with someone related to these guys and that got my attention.
Thanks for watching!
A phrase I heard on the channel Divine Mercy from Fr Alar: "you don't leave Christ because of Judas". No matter how bad the Church gets or appears to get, anyeay, you don't leave His Church.
My condolences on your brother. Although it may have happened awhile ago it still must hurt. Just said a prayer for his soul. God bless
Thank you so much. Very kind of you..
Protestant converting this was great. Invite to the mass is great,the mass needs to be explained, once I understood the mass I couldn’t believe the beauty in the Mass and then the Rosary changed everything. Cant wait to take the Eucharist ❤️🙏🙏🙏.
GOD BLESS HIS ONE AND ONLY CATHOLIC CHURCH ❤🕇
Great stuff here. The brothers are smart, reflective, well-educated (and definitely joke with each other as brothers do! Hilarious). And the host does a great job listening, and asking the right questions. First time finding your channel. Well done.
Such kind words, thanks for watching!
BEAUTIFULLY TESTIFIED, WELCOME back with MOTHER MARY^S GRACE and BLESSINGS.
Thanks for watching!
Bad cathecesis; often the case for cradle Catholics.
Basically it's a "I was such a typical know-it-all silly teen" story. I think many of us can relate to it.
Fantastic talk.These guys hit on all the important points , and made fantastic statements, a few times l hit pause and backed up the recording to hear the statement to hear it again.
Thanks for watching!
You got a subscription from me because of this video. I binged most of the Catholic Brothers videos. They deserve more widespread airplay. Thank you for apparently being the first to do that!
Was blessed to have them on! And thanks for your support!
The Catholic Church is organic. The First and the Last. Started by Jesus, the Son of the Eternal God.
The CHURCH IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH NO DOUBT.... I NE 21:12 ARLY CRY AT A DENOMINATION GATHERING THATCI ATTENDED ... THESE PEOPLE LOVE THE LORD SO MUCH BUT IF INLY THEY KNOW THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD AT THE ALTAR AND THE TABERNACLES OF ALL CATHOLIC CHURCHES THAT WILL BE THE END OF PROTESTISM!!!
Wonderful story !
Thanks for watching, Eric! I thought their comments about monasteries in Anglicanism was an interesting point I hadn’t heard before.
Tell Lofton and others to have them on their show. These guys are good.
Keith this was one of the best interviews on CC … definitely need TCB back
Agreed! Thanks for watching.
Might have just found a new favorite podcast: The Catholic Brothers. Sorry Keith! 😂
Ouch! But I’ll take it.
In the middle of a most fantastic Spiritual moment - tears in my eyes - evil shows it’s head - your loss of moving to the other podcast will not be missed - because you are not a true follower of Christ - your words and intentions radiate this for everyone to see.
"For no reformation of so great importance can be effected by them, as will compensate for the mischief arising from their schism." -Irenaeus of Lyon, 189 AD, _Against Hereies_ (disciple of the disciple of Apostle John)
I'm a cradle Catholic. I thought I was alright but the fact I'm not as there's so much I don't know about the more complexity in the reality of the truths of how to prepare myself to enter into God Fathers Kingdom. The teaching of the church is so rich and very blessing and therefore I am enlightened when watching podcasts like these.
Welcome back🙏🏽🙏🏽♥️♥️♥️
@58:45 of the video, I was this kind of Catholic. Majority of Catholics you see in mass are like this and some even receiving the communion in a state of mortal sin. I pick and choose which to believe in the Catholic faith. It will never work; you have to truly believe in everything what the Catholic teaches or you don't, there is no middle ground. I feel very liberated upon following all the teachings of the Catholic church. You won't feel the full power of the Catholic faith if you are not in a state of grace. You have to be in the state of grace to receive the communion and receive the full benefits of the church.
So much insight and honesty!
Thank you for breaking it down.
Welcome back!
Anglicanism is Protestant and does not have a priesthood. Cromwell decreed that they would have Ministers of the Gospel as their "pastors". This was because Cromwell could not find a catholic Bishop to "ordain" any "priests" in the "new church" that they were establishing in the reign of Elizabeth I. So, there is NO priesthood in Anglicanism. Read THE HISTORY OF ENGLAND
:THE TUDORS VOL II by Peter Ackroyd. Also the bedrock of Anglicanism is the 39 ARTICLES and Article 31 says THE MASSES FOR THE LIVING AND THE DEAD ARE A BLASPHEMOUS FABLE AND A DECEIT. Since Anglicans have no priesthood it follows that their mass is FAKE. It is not possible to be an Anglican and to believe that the Mass and the 39 Articles are both true - because they contradict each other!
Moments of pure comedy gold 🤣
Ha ha ha. You think so?! 😂
Real, solid Catholicism does not exist in my city of 30,000. 2 churches. 1 Newman Ctr. I could go on. After trying 2x, I left. I cannot go back. It got to the point that I was leaving Mass angry. Couple that with this 'Pope' (who shut down your TLM) and the large number of homosexual priests, (the movie Spotlight) I just couldn't take it any more.
This is so right on! I'll bet all who are listening can relate it to what they've seen in those they know who have fallen away. I pray many find these podcasts, listen and a seed will be planted.
I pray for a St. Ambrose to come into the lives of those I love who are fallen away. You all may just be that for many.
May God bless you immensely for all you do. If not in this life then in the next.
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Daniel and Steven. Really poor evangelizers for the Catholic Church. What’s wrong with you guys? You said something like you only learned about sin after you left the Catholic Church. And used every protestant misunderstanding (lie) like you didn’t have a relationship with Jesus, worshipping Mary, opposed communion of the Saints, even said Luther was right about the Church being corrupt without supporting Catholic side. Why Excuse me? Luther was a heretic. How did you miss the truth? I grew up on the Baltimore Catechism in my CCD classes. Each of the first 3 books of the have Chapters on every thing you missed and in particular chapters entitled “Sins and Its Kinds”. And repentance, confession and salvation is woven throughout the rest of the books. Are you telling us you had no clue about the necessity for confession, sorrow for sin, the Act of Contrition, absolution, sanctifying grace and why you had to be free of mortal sin to receive holy communion. Come on! Those are all basic tenants of the Church. Basically I got tired of listening to your negativity about Catholicism. I’m glad you’re back but figure out a way to express it instead of criticizing the Church for the first 25 minutes and then intermittently throughout your interview.
I think if these guys were more honest looking back wouldn't they say there is some kind of sin they wanted to commit and evagelicals said "don't worry, that's not sin." Or "it's okay if you sin."
As opposed to "it is NEVER okay when you sin, but we have the cure for when/if you sin!"
One question I have for Dan about leaving Anglicanism because it did t live up to the it’s greatest thinkers in reality. Doesn’t Rome often have the same problem-the local reality is not the ideal. Does any church really live up to the ideals of their greatest thinkers? I appreciate his journey had a lot more to it, but that one point just doesn’t sit well with me personally as a reason to move elsewhere.
May Luther rest in peace.
He is like all other Protestants who leave the Catholic Church. He wanted to remain in gluttony and lust instead of fight against it.
Evangelicals offer Catholics the concept that you "can sin" and be a great evangelical.
Where we offer the solution to When you sin (confession and repentence), but we don't ever ever ever say you "can sin."
The answer is "no, you can not sin." "But I fell in to sin again, don't worry, we have the answer for that too - go and sin no more!"
What about your parents?? We would like to know how happy they are now
They wept. And, dare I say, the whole journey even re-invigorated their own faith so that they are also much more invested. Praise God.
I did the same I left the church for ten years with my family yet I still had my kids make communion and conformation) because I couldn’t totally give my heart to the church I was at ( Assemblies of GOD ) started with ( first baptist ). Bible study Friday nights all day at church Sunday and Wednesday nights . Loved it loved the music love the people ( for a while ) . They would alway bash Catholics , it came out in conversations , it was preached , and I always felt like someone was talking about a family member . Now mind you 90 % of these people were X CATHOLICS . I wish I knew then what I know now for those Bible studies . Anyway one day while waiting to go to the hospital in NYC I walked into Saint Patrick’s Cathedral. To sit and wait till my time . ( I have a rare disease and in the hospital a lot ). Anyway I had not been inside a church only for said communion and conformations . And it’s not a cathedral. I walked in and I felt like something came over me I couldn’t stand up I needed to sit down I was crying like I heard someone died . Balling my eyes out . I always felt like something was missing I knew I couldn’t totally feel at home in a Protestant church . Something was missing . I had no idea what that was now I know it was the Eucharist and confession. But I wanted and miss that small feeling like GOD IS GOD not my best friend my buddy my pal . And that’s what I was feeling like kneel ! Kneel at the feet of your lord and I needed to be still and small. So I decided to see once and for all what I might be leaving before I left . I know my story is all over the place but I did the research I watched EWTN and found MARCUS GRODI the journey home loves that show . Mother Angelica , that is where I stumbled on to Scott Hahn , and then I heard Tim Staples . Patrick Madrid , I read all his books all the books you could find on conversion and apologetics . I never went back to the ASSEMBLY OF GOD . the people I was hanging out with over there thought I was crazy and NOT SAVED . But they also believed once saved always saved go figure .
I’m at a loss of words when I hear people say that they are reborn again when they were baptized in the Catholic Church through baptism and leave the Catholic Church and get reborn again,wow so that means a person can be reborn again and again no matter how many denominations they join.This totally does not make any sense?🤔
Beautiful statement regarding monasteries
Oh my! That last 10 minutes. Yes, we can relax.❤️🔥 Who doesn't need that in today's world? Thank you Jesus for this Church you gave us. Left me feeling grateful. 💝
So glad you enjoyed this conversation!
I'm trying to learn about CATHOLICISM because my daughter was one
"Catholic Answers" has a YT channel, and an excellent app (FREE). Brent pitre, Jimmy akin, Scott hahn, keith nester, fr mike schmitz are good teachers on YT
I pray for my children to return to the catholic church catholic church
I am on the verge of returning to the Catholic church. For the past 12+ years I have been away and living in other traditions. I attend on some occasions a really good Anglican communion however, I am called back to the Catholic church. I am finding that difficult but I have to do it. I ask for your prayers to take the next leap of faith. Thank you. Finding a good confessor is a struggle right now so I am reluctant to go. This is an amazing and very timely podcast for me. Thank you for presenting it. Judith Australia
Thanks so much for your encouraging words!
Look for a traditional Latin Mass community. My wife and I have started attending and there is so much more to it that makes us feel like we have missed out on so much all these years.
Always wrestling with no rest? My experience as a Protestant is totally unlike theirs. I rest in the word of God, not some institution. That seems to be the denominator with folks like the Catholic Brothers - this underlying need for an institution. I guess I just don’t need that sort of thing because that’s not what I ultimately put my faith in.
I don’t think it’s fair to psychologize our point. It is acceptable for your experience to be different, and I know precisely what you mean when you say that you rest in the Word of God as a Protestant. Been there as well. I’m not talking about heavenly Consolation in the soul. We experienced that at many junctures in our Protestant experience. Even genuine encounters with Christ, if you will..
Conversion is a movement of head, heart, and will. The “wrestling with no rest” refers primarily to the dimension of the head (which in turn, disrupts the heart and shakes the will). Protestantism was not satisfying the intellectual demand, no matter how much we would wrestle through all the various views and interpretations of Scripture and divergent theologies that emerged from the Reformation onward. Anglicanism especially has an identity crisis that it delivers to its children, and wrestling with that identity crisis becomes quite tiring for folks who are looking for doctrinal consistency and unity of the faith.
I think most people with an open mind understood the point we were making there. Sorry if it came off as offensive; was not intended to be.
@@TheCatholicBrothers I want to avoid psychologizing so that’s a fair point. But going by what was said in the video it definitely seemed like both of you were searching for an institution, or at least it seemed you were not at rest until you could answer the question of what is the correct institution. Would that be unfair of me to say?
@@theosophicalwanderings7696 not quite. We were looking for a Body, and bodies are real, tangible. If a Body has the qualities of an institution, then so be it. But I was searching for my Lord’s Bride, so that I could rest in her arms and lay against the bosom of my Savior. If the Church is the “pillar and foundation of Truth,” then I think it behooves all Christian men to earnestly find her, since we want to love the things that Christ loves. If Christ loves His Bride, and shed His blood for her, and gave her the authority on earth to bind and to loose and to be the herald of the Gospel and the Guardian of the sacraments, I think it is not only necessary, but perfectly natural, for a Christ-loving man to search day and night until he finds her.
A relationship with Christ without the Church, while perhaps beginning on the right foot, will eventually become deficient, because the relationship is divorced from the proper context within which Christ Himself wants it to blossom and grow. The Christ of reality can quickly become the Christ of our own mind if we don’t situate our relationship with Him within the guardrails of apostolic faith and tradition. Christ willed that the Church would perpetuate His Presence on earth as he serves as High Priest before the Father. He didn’t leave us as orphans with a book. He not only left us the sacred writings, but He provided a means of properly understanding and interpreting them; He left us His own Bride, inspired by the Holy Spirit, to reconcile the world to Himself.
To divorce “the word of God” from “some institution” (a somewhat cynical and certainly unbiblical description of the Church, I must say) is simply the intellectual underpinnings of a 16th century novelty- a “tradition of men.” The apostles, in obedience to Christ, established a Church (with sacraments, hierarchy, rites and ceremonies, and sacred texts) not a series of sects and schools. If the world is to be reconciled through a vast array of sectarian movements, then I dare say that the New Covenant cannot possibly be something better than the Old. If Christ’s life, death, and resurrection only effected the proliferation of amorphous schools and movements, then I dare say it would be quite hard to believe that He is Who He claimed to be. But, thanks be to God, He did establish a single Body, through which the world is to be reconciled to Him, and through Him to the Father.
@@theosophicalwanderings7696 I understood that they were not looking for an institution. They read the early fathers and found that the bishops was part of the early church.
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Nice hat! Its a keeper😅
LOL! Pints & Pews is a great podcast and I was truly having a horrible hair day! 😂
These brothers are outstanding and truly inspirational.
Indeed!
Thank you for sharing your stories .
Thanks for watching!
Excited to listen!
What are u talking about that the Gospel is not preached? It certainly is in the UK.
Welcome welcome back my reverted Catholic brothers,I’m elated that our God and Lord Jesus Christ has opened your spiritual eyes to know him truly instead of fine clever speeches of men.May the All Powerful Glorious Merciful Loving Trinity Bless Protect and Persevere your faith and trust in his One Holy Apostolic Catholic Christian Church of Traditional Teachings and Worship Amen 🙏
Shoot I only subscribe to channels where the hosts don't wear hats. JK! I'm a big hat guy myself. Jokes aside, big fan of the Catholic Brothers! Their series on the first 500 years is fantastic. Thanks for the great lineup you curate! Your channel reminds me of the Journey Home on EWTN.
Sorry, guys. I just can't relate to Catholics looking at Evangelicals and seeing anything worth having at all. It's always been a joke to me, and it always will be. Don't get me wrong. I pray for their salvation, and I do recognize much of their devotion to be sincere; but really, Sola Fide? Sola Scriptura? It's all so intellectually vapid and spiritually vacant.
Excellent testimony guys! ✝
Thanks for watching!
Thanks 😊 many great points made.
I’m not Christian scholar, but it is my understanding that Martin Luther, a Roman Catholic priest, wanted to remain a Roman Catholic priest.
I haven't finished listening yet, but I just have to comment: Henry VIII's destruction of the monasteries did it for me as well. I was brought up as an Episcopalian, I loved my church, I loved Jesus, and I was furious at my mother when she became Catholic. I made fun of Catholicism and I "shot down" all her explanations. I have been Catholic now for 45 years, and as of this month I have been driving 2 hours each way to attend an Anglican Ordinariate Church. The beauty and reverence of the Liturgy makes me weep! This is what the Anglican church is supposed to be.
Agreed. My favourite liturgy is the Anglican Ordinariate!
Why are u going to an Anglican Ordiniarate Church? Seems like u can't quite leave Anglicanism. It is insulting to Catholicism when Anglicans still want to keep to their "traditions". The Ordiniarate is not more special than Catholicism.
"This is what he Anglican church was supposed to be"? No! Anglicanism only came into being after the Oxford Movement in the 1800s. Before that going back to Henry VIII it was rabid Protestantism which then evolved into what it is now in the 1800s. All the robes they wear now are all copied from Catholicism. In Henry VIII's time Protestant "bishops" wore white robes , a black stole, and a black tri-cornered flat hat. They had no Altars - smashed by order of Cromwell.
@@Anon.5216 ??? The Ordinariate is a Catholic Church. It is as much a part of the Catholic church as the Ukrainian Catholics, the Armenian Catholics, and all of the other 23 national rites that are part of The Catholic Church-- of which the Roman Catholic Church is only the largest. The Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter was established in 2012 by the Pope. The Latin Rite is only one of many legitimate "rites" that are one hundred percent approved of by the Holy See. Why do you think we are called "Catholics"? It means "universal".
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What a wonderful story of you guys. Welcome back brothers 🙏❤️
Amazing stories. Thanks, brothers.
What do you brothers think of One for Israel and their conversions? The Catholic Church does not seem to reach Jews the way evangelicals do. Also evangelicals seem to convert people so effectively which is why the Pope created the Synod on the Amazon.. to try to reach them as well as the evangelicals and also maybe allow priests to marry.
Priests MAY be allowed to marry if in very remote lonely areas but it would a rarity.
How do you guys feel about Francis?
Oh dear, why did Tim pass away? Was he very young?
God bless their journey back 🙏
If only there was not so much laughter...I could have heard what was being said.
This is problem my favourite comment yet.
Welcome home brother.
Thank you Lord for this day wowwwwww best testimony God bless you and your family all
Thanks for watching!
Loved this video. Thanks so much for putting it together.
Thanks so much for watching!
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This is such a fascinating conversation.
Thanks for watching!
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PRAISE GOD!!! TO HIM BE THE GLORY!!!
AMEN!
Cannot trust butterflies,
So true.
The "Church" is everybody who is baptised. It is not the Vatican which is the international Headquarters of the church.
I have one sincere question. Is your microphone real or for show? The one use is broken, but it makes me look Big Time.
It’s cardboard!
1 how many times the word catholic came out of the mouth of G-d ?
( i think that word does not appear in the bible)
2 What was the religion of the Christ ? what sect ? what church ? does the name appear in in Holly Scripture or is MAN MADE ?
May G-d bless you and guide you to all truth
you'll come back to atheism
I heard Michael Voris say the other day that currently for every one Roman Catholic convert there are about six Catholics that walk away. And of those that walk away about half join conservative Protestant churches. Do you think there's any truth to that?
No.there is no truth on his claim. The reason he's saying that is because...he's not doing any " gaining souls".All he does and good of doing is criticizing the BAD decision the Pope made/makes and he never evangelized the wandering and lost.
RCIA'S are getting crowded which is a sign of growth.
Voris is a good talker/criiic , but never a good " Fisher's of MEN""
When I went through RCIA, just a few years ago. There were only 2 of us in that class. In the next year, our RCIA numbers jumped from 2 to 28, with another 4 who couldn't come every week . Catholicism is growing by leaps and bounds!❤❤😊😊
No such thing as a catholic church just the church!
What is God's responsibility for the state of His creation?
So, what do y'all think about the Baltimore Archdiocese 60-year sex abuse ring, eh? God's plan for His worshipers or God's minions gone evil?