PAPAL BULL UNAM SANCTAM proclaimed by pope boniface VIII: Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff. Pope Francis canonized Gregory of Narek and the Copt Martyrs, who were never subject to the pope, nor to the Roman Church. This contradicts a papal bull as well as an ecumenical council. Either the true catholic church has apostatized or the Roman church exalted its own see to a point of severing communion with the original church, the orthodox church. CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 1399 1399 The Eastern churches that are not in full communion with the Catholic Church celebrate the Eucharist with great love. "These Churches, although separated from us, yet possess true sacraments, above all - by apostolic succession - the priesthood and the Eucharist, whereby they are still joined to us in closest intimacy." A certain communion in sacris, and so in the Eucharist, "given suitable circumstances and the approval of Church authority, is not merely possible but is encouraged." - The Eucharist exists on a catholic perspective towards the orthodox. You shouldn't convert your family. POPE FRANCIS said this: Later in a visit with Georgian Catholics at a Tbilisi parish on Saturday afternoon, Francis told them they must not seek to convert members of the Georgian Orthodox community. “There is a big sin against ecumenism: proselytism,” said the pontiff. “You must never proselytize the Orthodox. They are our brothers and sisters, disciples of Jesus Christ.” “Walk together, pray for each other, and do works of charity together when you can,” the pope encouraged. “This is ecumenism. Do not condemn a brother or sister.” You are doing a sin against ecumenism. Pope Francis says you shouldn't proselytize the Orthodox.
I LOVE ERICK YBARRA. In my opinion he is the deepest thinker in Catholic apologetics. His strength is not mastering arguments and rebuttals, or debate, but deep dive studies
Yes, he has more scholarly integrity than many mainstream Catholic apologists. Apologists can become too much like lawyers but Ybarra is not like this.
can Erick answer this? i doubt it, no catholic i've ever met can. what does John 14:15 really mean? a) we ignore the Commandments we don't agree with? b) we keep all Ten, showing we love Jesus Christ? c) we tamper with the Commandments we don't agree with? d) insert your own definition or that of your church here. this gets a lot deeper. but it begins to expose catholicism, who chooses a & c , sadly.
I appreciate this interview a lot. But will say, as a Protestant pastor who also came into the Catholic Church under the Francis pontificate, I find him a very refreshing and loving voice (though a confusing voice for many) at a time when I’ve experienced a lot of legalism in my past and still notice in others in the present. Love your content! Keep it up.
@@lillyCfields Good question. As much as I admire both Horn and Akins (more so Horn) and I think they've done alot for the Church; I don't think they have the right toolset to deal with the current and increasing troubles the church faces. The Catholic Answers scene was good for refuting (and still is) a lot of the fundamentalist nonsense. I think though, that because they had to engage with a purile opponent in a very 1+1=2 manner (thus the legalism) they're not equipped to take on more serious opponents. Does that make sense?
@@jamesshaw6455 Oooh, okay. So, they can sound condemning (or legalistic as you guys put it). I highly respect converts bc of all the things they have to go through. I think that makes them more softer in their approach when dealing with people.
As a fellow recent convert I agree. He's a "pastoral" Pope versus a "litigious" one. He knows that traditions are secondary to Christ's message which is why he rubs a lot of traditional Catholics the wrong way. I like that we bounce around in terms of theology and emphasis from Pope to Pope. Benedict was very "law and order" in almost the same severity as Francis' laissez-faire attitude towards pastoral care. I don't think one or the other is better and I think we benefit from having both :)
Just finished this episode. It’s been about a year since I first discovered you two brothers and will come into the church this Easter Vigil. You’ve helped tremendously. I hit a mental exhaustion point about 3 weeks ago from trying to get my apologies ready for my friends, (they still don’t know) but have come to the place of, rather than explaining the Catholic whys, I’m wanting to explain the Reformation errors. Just learning of Erick Ybarra from this episode, I’m anxious to do some deep dives with him on justification, etc. I appreciate you more than you can know.
@terrykessinger4432, I can appreciate your comment. 😊 I , too, enter in this Easter. My family and Protestant friends are shocked. My husband fully supports me , so that’s all that truely matters. But, it will be mostly futile to try to explain anything to them or show them the errors of the reformation . They believe SO many lies as I once did, it would be just a tit for tat. It will end in arguments. I’m going to live the Catholic Faith in front of them in love and pray for them, and my answer to them is that…I just traded John McArthur, John Piper, & RC Sproul in for St. Ignatius, St. Polycarp and St. Clement! That’s it! 🙏🏻❤️. If they truly care to know, anything more, they can look up the church fathers themselves. And I’m sure a few of them., even if they did that they would find argument with the church fathers claiming that’s not the Bible. 😂 Blessings to you!❤️🙏🏻
@@elizabethking5523 Your story sounds so much like mine! My husband is even attending OCIA with me so that he can better understand Catholicism - and he is enjoying it, with no intention of converting - yet. And it isn’t my family as much as my friends. I actually worked at my Proti church for 21 years, until last October, so it’s my previous co-workers and friends. I have so many books by Piper, Lloyd-Jones, Sproul, etc., and ALSO books by Hahn, Horn, Belloc, as well as so many of the church fathers. It’s truly a new life, and it feels so much more charitable. I’m asking the Blessed Mother to intercede for my husband and sister to join me one day soon. Blessings and congratulations to you!
@@terrykessinger4432 , yes, that will be so wonderful! I have faith that our love ones will come too someday! I think my husband will follow first. He was So against even mentioning Mary. And now, I can speak freely to him about all of it. ❤️The Holy Spirit is at work! 😃 Congratulations to you too! We are home! ❤️🙏🏻 God will do the rest! The Saints are praying for us too! 🙏🏻Blessings my sister in Christ!😃❤️🙏🏻
This discussion, locus of study and evolution of Erick's faith and research is outstanding. Better yet, I see it as a pilgrimage to the Roman Catholic faith. I'm still an Anglo-Catholic: at the age of 74 I've learned to pick my battles.
As a cradle traditional Catholic I love listening to conversion stories and Erick's story is fascinating. I appreciate the sheer hard work invested in research to find the true church, the Holy Catholic Church founded by our Lord Jesus. I pray that our protestant, orthodox brothers and sisters come to know the truth. For people who lament about Francis I say this, Francis is only the house keeper a sinner like the rest of us. He is a liberal Jesuit therefore our prayers should be for our Lord to intervene at his appropriate time to rescue his church from bad influences. God bless your work.
The last 15 minutes starting at 1:30:00 was an absolutely exceptional yet brief description of a robust argument for Catholicism. Isaiah referring to Christ holding the “government on his shoulders” is one special area in scripture that is enormously positive for an institutional Church that I’ve been pointing out for a couple years now. Great listen altogether! Thanks Erick and Cath bros!
My story is very similar to Eric’s, with the exception of being a Church of Christ guy rather than a Baptist. Praise God for him drawing me back to the Catholic Church.
Thank you for sharing! I especially enjoyed the ending explaining we can only go so far intellectually but it is most of all a living faith. "Come and see" as they say. The Catholic vs Eastern orthodox subject can be so tricky, both having an incredible amount of Saints and being at the roots of it all till humans had to divide it all.
I understand where Erick's coming from with Jimmy Akin and CA years ago. There was a time when they just wouldn't acknowledge the growing concerns with Pope Francis (like Lofton to some extent), and I recognized that. But it makes sense given their apostolate. Most recently, Jimmy Akin was very open and honest in his criticism of Pope Francis. And Horn and Heschmeyer were also critical of FS. So Catholic Answers turned a corner at some point in the past, I think.
Be careful. You’ll have to make the same arguments for a pope you like when people call him heretical. Or Jimmy Akin is practicing Donum Veritalis, which teaches not publicly criticizing the Magisterium.
@@paulmualdeave5063 I don't understand what you are saying (probably because you have misunderstood my own comment).... What "same arguments" are you referring to? I didn't make any arguments for or against any pope. No one is publicly criticizing the Magisterium. One can criticize the person of the pope without criticizing the Magisterium or his office. Strictly speaking, it's not so much Pope Francis' teaching(s) that raises concerns but his governance and disciplinary decisions (and the resulting confusion for teaching). Again, Erick Ybarra has a great video on the underlying problem/theme behind these concerns: "Diagnosing the Problem in the Catholic Church"
St. Alban’s is a very lovely church. I’m surprised I didn’t end up there in my own walk, but I don’t think I would have ever gone to the Catholic Church from there. I would have been too content.
Listening with interest as an Orthodox, and look forward to reading the book. But so far I heard you say at about min 55 that “Orthodoxy has an internal organ issue that’s threatening to the life of the church” whereas Roman Catholicism has a “skin problem”….i guess like cancer vs acne. Then you said that the RC priest was telling you to leave your wife with whom you had 2 children (whereas the Orthodox priest told you that your present marriage could be blessed) but then when the RC priest heard you had been baptized RC he found a loophole for you and could consider your first marriage a non marriage and annul it. And we know this is standard practice in the RC church. I remember hearing one of the Kennedy ex-wives saying the RC Church annulled her marriage of a couple decades which produced several children. Voila…it was annuled…no marriage ever happened. Wow. So while I do want to hear the rest of what you have to say, that type of denial of reality strikes me as seriously problematic…and indicative of more than a mere “cosmetic” problem. And to ask you to abandon your wife, the mother of your children, that seems very cruel. No, the Orthodox Churchdoes not do that, thank God. Something else I’m aware of….the pedophilia scandal which seems to be very widespread in the RC Church. it’s hard to think of something more “cancerous” than that…a practice of priests sexually abusing children and bishops knowingly enabling the abuse. I don’t know how anyone could know this and think it a minor cosmetic issue. Actually, that was how the RC hierarchy dealt with it…like something minor to “cover up.” Whitewashing sepulchers. Yes, Orthodox people also sin and have much spiritual work to do to become more like Christ, but widespread sexual abuse of altar boys and other children? No. Lord have mercy. I’m very grateful for the holiness I am shown in the Orthodox Church. The Lord Jesus Christ is present in His Orthodox Church. Anyone can find Christ and grow in Christ in the Orthodox Church.
You might be unaware of the Catholic view on "lack of form". I was never married in the eyes of the Catholic Church because I, as a baptized Catholic, was bound to observe the form of the sacrament. This has been a standard rule for centuries. So it was not a "loophole" as you describe. It was a standard text-book case. As for pedophilia - this is a cancer but it is not a fatal injury that disproves Catholicism's claim to being the true Church. Otherwise, both Catholicism and Orthodoxy would be disproven. In fact, Christianity would then be disproven. As for the Orthodox, it really comes down to whether they can be consistent in their claim to be the one true Church. I have written 2 books explaining why I don't think they can sustain that claim.
Amen. I believe that Orthodoxy has the fullness of the faith, but it’s easier to become RC since EO churches are so ethnic ( I’m an AA and can’t imagine fitting in). However without the liturgy and with the current Pope and priests embracing the insanity of the culture, I might as well stay a Protestant, dumpster fire that it is.😞
Solid interview, thanks. Some comments: 1. The grace of infallibility, i.e., the freedom from teaching error, bestowed by Jesus Christ upon the Apostle Peter and his successors, i.e., the Bishops of Rome, DID NOT extend to freedom from imprudence. Therefore, Pope Francis is not preserved from committing errors against prudence, chief of the cardinal virtues and defined by St. Thomas Aquinas as "right reason in action." The error of imprudence was that for which St. Peter was confronted by St. Paul in Galatians 2:11-14. 2. According to Catholic tradition, only a future pope can judge a former pope. In this respect, I pray that a future pope will examine the entire record of Pope Francis and make any needed adjustments. My recommendations for an especially intensive examination would include Traditionis Custodes and Fiducia Supplicans. 3. Regarding Erick's upcoming book on Pope Honorius I, I assume that he will consult the work of the neutral observer Anglo-Irish historian John Bagnell Bury, who was the Regius Professor of Modern History at the University of Cambridge and a Professorial Fellow of King's College, Cambridge from 1902 until his death in 1927. According to p. 252 of Bury's A history of the later Roman empire from Arcadius to Irene, Volume 2 (2005) regarding Honorious, "it was for the 'imprudent economy of silence' that he was condemned." 4. Message from a caller at 130:41 - 1:31:43: "Big fan of your youtube podcast channel. I've been surveying the evidence for a while now and it's just so difficult to know whether to stay Protestant Reformed, become Anglican or become Catholic. It's difficult since people that know way more than me on both Protestant side, my friend at Westminster Seminary and the Catholic side, you guys and Erick Ybarra among others, who know their stuff and still disagree. I just don't know how to make the right decision. I'm in agreement with you that as a whole, Reformed Protestantism seems to be much less in accord with historical Christianity, but then again, Protestant denominations don't claim to be infallible. I've been reading when I have time Newman's essay on development. It has helped but I am by no means ready to say, as he did in his apologia later in life, that the Roman Church is the oracle of God." ('So any words of encouragement for this fellow for where he's at...{?}') Response: A. Mary, the mother of Jesus. B. If this caller can accept Mary as both his mother and mother of the Church as proclaimed at Vatican Council II, then he can be Catholic. In other words, can he ask Mary to pray for him, i.e., pray a Hail Mary? C. I recommend that he read Chapter 8 - The Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God, in the Mystery of Christ and the Church (Nos. 52-69) from Lumen Gentium, the Second Vatican Council's Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, solemnly promulgated by Pope Paul VI on Nov. 21, 1964. This chapter is a compendium of the Catholic Church's Marian teachings. D. Quoting from Lumen Gentium's Chapter 8, Section 2 - The Role of the Blessed Mother in the Economy of Salvation, No. 58: "... the Blessed Virgin advanced in her pilgrimage of faith, and faithfully persevered in her union with her Son unto the cross, where she stood, in keeping with the divine plan, (Cf. Jn. 19:25) grieving exceedingly with her only begotten Son, uniting herself with a maternal heart with His sacrifice, and lovingly consenting to the immolation of this Victim which she herself had brought forth. Finally, she was given by the same Christ Jesus dying on the cross as a mother to His disciple with these words: "Woman, behold thy son". (Cf. Jn. 19:26-27.) (Cf Jn. 4:14; 7:38-39) [Vatican VA webpage /archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html]
What a great metaphor.. "While the Catholic Church has a skin problem and it looks bad on the outside, the Orthodox Church has an internal organ problem that was more threatening to the life of the Church"
Love your channel! Pax vobis. You really touched a nerve when you mentioned papal failure and pope Honorius... After last Sunday's (SSPX) mass I ended up in a discussion with some brothers who are basically sedevacantists. And my conclusion is that it is impossible to talk with them, because... You know, they just destroy me on any point I will bring up. Well, to be honest they will destroy any position they encounter in their way, like protestants on justification, the rejection of purgatory as non-biblical, orthodoxy and the immaculate conception or the filioque or the Palamist enérgeia vs ousía distinction... The list goes on and on. But when I throw at them that their position on Francis is basically a Donatist heresy, because it does not allow for papal failure of any kind, or that their position is self-defeative (because where is their apostolic succession/authority?) they always have everything so minutely figured out. They will always end up showing one way or another how the Church left them and not the other way around (as Lefebvre also insisted). Long story short: I just cannot debate them (at least not here, in The Netherlands). Their knowledge of scripture, patristics, doctors and especially magisterial teaching throughout the ages is just outright savage. Now, I happen to agree with them on many points, but when it comes to sedevacantism basically all they have to do is to point out cringy stuff that Francis says/does or hammer on magisterial teachings that blatantly contradict the latest encyclical... And they just have these extremely watertight rebuttals - Paul did not really rebuke Peter, Canisius' catechism contradicts baptism of desire.... This is why I am really looking forward on this case study of Pope Honorius! But I do not think I will ever be able to debate a sedevacantist. They tend to be obsessed and just relentless. I even believe Matt Fradd considered taking down this debate between Cassman and the sedevacantist monk or brother. Funny thing is, the modern, ecumenical vibes our church oozes these days with its "exploration of pastoral options" and basically endorsement of protestantism, orthodoxy and other denominations, will ultimately have to end in the contradictory endorsement of sedevacsntists, lol. Lord have Mercy. Complete sidenote: All sedevacantists I know are men. I guess men really are a lot more likely to go down rabbit holes all the way, like chess players, whereas women are more generalistic and people-minded and lest specialistic and narrow or obsessive.
You’re yoked to a system with no good way out of these problems. The sedevacantists are correct when pointing to serious changes between pre and post Vatican II Catholicism. There is no consistent answer to their points besides some form of modernism (already condemned by Pascendi). BUT, due to the claims of Vatican I (papal indefectability AND papal perpetuity) sedevacantism is not an allowable position in Roman Catholicism. These problems go back further than Vatican II, or John XXIII. Your own papacy admits (Chieti document, Alexandria document) that the Orthodox “conciliarist” teaching on church governance is the one consistent with the church of the first millennium - NOT the Vatican I papal system. That’s not a reason to become Orthodox, but IMO it’s a reason to at least consider Orthodox Christianity as a valid option.
Erick, I’ve watched a lot of your videos and you make a very convincing argument for the Catholic Church. How can I find a traditional Catholic Church in my area and not one that teaches universalism like you mentioned. Thank you sir.
Hi! I would begin by examining their websites. There are some key indicators of where a parish is at by their website. That is not *always* the case of course. Then, see what they offer. Are they deeply involved in evangelism. Are they seeking to educate their flock. Are the priests men of God. Etc. etc.
@@Erick_Ybarra hey Sir! question for you that no catholic has ever been able to answer -- how can this system which claims to love Christ, tamper with His Commandments as it did, thus nullifying John 14:15 ? in Daniel 7, we see a blasphemous system (another proof standing to expose catholicism) tampering with the Holy Command, the 7th day Sabbath. not only did this 'church' do so, it freely admits and teaches such -- ending all controversy as to the identity of this system and it's apostasy! this is only proving that catholicism mandates sin ~ 1 John 3:4
I have consistently said that Erick Ybarra is the best card in the deck of Catholic apologists today; without question, second to none, hit the bullseye every time, Ace of Spades. ♠ Hearing about how he even had to consider separation from his wife, whom he had two children with, and being prepared to do it, I have a new respect for him. It must have been a feeling like something approaching the binding of Isaac. Wow. Chumps who are "playing church" (I really like that term, I plan to steal it); James White, Gavin Ortlund... really need to stfu and sit tf down and listen for a minuet. Because some of us are taking this whole salvation thing.... " ...a little more... seriously." - 🃏
I’d never seen this channel before, but I’m intrigued by Ybarra’s story-I’ve read his blog before-and appreciate the interview. I’m writing this comment over a month after you posted the video, so probably no one will see this, but I wonder-I’ve long wondered-what Catholic apologists say for a person who’s getting pulled in the opposite direction. In my case I am a cradle Catholic who deeply loves the Anglican tradition and has a strong pull towards that (my spirituality, to be honest, is more English than Italian or Greek). I also have strong doubts, based on my studies, about papal infallibility and, even more so, universal papal jurisdiction. The upshot of all these stories is that the convert was convinced that Catholicism is true (I’m thinking of Chesterton’s “Why I Am a Catholic,” of course), whether intellectually or spiritually. So what about the person who’s intellectually-and, maybe more drastically, spiritually-unconvinced? I don’t know, maybe there isn’t a good answer, but I keep asking.
Have you looked into the Ordinariate in the Catholic Church at all? Also, I recommend you watch this video as it details our journey from Catholicism to Protestantism, then to Anglicanism and finally back home to Catholicism. m.ua-cam.com/video/GV7Eql7DZ20/v-deo.html&pp=iAQB
@@TheCatholicBrothers Thanks for the reply!-I wasn’t expecting one. I’ll watch the video. I know the ordinariate well-I’m actually trying to join now, to see if Houston will take me despite my cradle-Catholic status, but Houston hasn’t responded yet. (I even reached out to them to confirm they have my request-they responded to that to say, yes, it’s still being processed. Ha.) Unfortunately, no ordinariate parishes exist anywhere near me. And that “anywhere” is not an exaggeration; looking on the OCSP’s website, I’m seeing that the nearest one is many hours away, across several state lines. So, alas, it’s not an option for me. I reached out to an ordinariate priest about my concerns and he recommended the St. Gregory the Great Prayer Book, which I’m looking into buying. (I’ve been recently praying the Daily Office with ACNA’s app-I understand from the video that one or both of you were ACNA?) I’m also a bit bummed about the ordinariate because I’ve heard from a few people that someone tried to start an ordinariate fellowship relatively closer to me and the diocesan hierarchy handicapped her every step of the way. (I reached out to her myself and she just said that starting an ordinariate community is hard here in New England/the Northeast.) That worries me that, despite Anglicanorum coetibus, the powers that be aren’t really interested in irenicism and allowing English/Anglican spirituality into the church. Anyway, thanks again for the reply! I’ll watch the video.
@@TheCatholicBrothers Lovely edition. If it ever comes down in price, or if I can find a secondhand edition, I’ll look into it. I watched the video you linked. I don’t want to go into theological debate, especially not in the comments section, so feel free not to respond to this. As I understand it from that video, most of your concerns with Anglicanism come from, or at least start with women’s ordination? If I strongly opposed women’s ordination, that would make my choice easier, but I’ve gradually been more and more open to it-largely by reading, yes, Anglicans like N.T. Wright. I’m still not fully convinced, tradition being what it is (though I am convinced the early church had larger roles for women-deaconesses), but it’s not my make-or-break issue. I could go more into the weeds, but I don’t want to, especially after you were so kind and responded to my random comment. Suffice it to say that my biggest problem with my church is less a theological question than an ethos; like the Anglo-Catholic priest at the Blue Flower blog (sarumuse.org/northern-catholicism/), my “temperament favours the primacy of Tradition and intrinsic truth over authority and magisterium.” Too often in Catholicism, I hear that I must accept something because the powers that be have declared it, rather than because my interlocutor has a rational argument. I simply cannot square an appeal to authority and nothing else with my conscience, which is where the trouble lies. (Incidentally, I’d argue, this troubled Newman-and contradicts Chesterton’s statement that “alone on earth, the Church affirms that God himself is bound by reason.”) (And I know from that video that you think your searching and self-debating ended, at least to some degree, when you entered the Catholic Church-all I can say is that from my experience, Catholics debate each other on everything all the time, and the questions are just “what does the Catechism mean?” or “what does this specific undefined term in this papal pronouncement mean?” rather than an evangelical’s “what does the Bible mean?” or an Orthodox’s “what do the Fathers mean?”)
I can't help thinking this...but.. Do you wonder 100 years from now, what Catholics will be writing about when speaking about our days? Possibly scism for sure, SSPX, Radtrads, which deeply saddens me. We are also minus a great St. Thomas Aquinas in our day. Who knows, God may bless us with something wonderful in the near future!
I enjoyed the conversation very much... Thank you! I may nit be a scholor, though I am a kitchen table theologian..ha!i I strongly disagree with you on the credibility of those in the John Henry Weston, Patrick Coffin, the new Taylor Marshall, etc... Anyone who listens to them can hear that they are speaking between the lines, and you know that they have an agenda. Listen for too long and you will find yourself outside of the Church! I know that there was a personal disagreement with Michael Lofton, and honesty I don't know what it was. Though I believe that Michael Lofton defending our Pope is a good thing. Thsts respectfully what all Catholics should be trying to do. Michael has kept a lot of people from leaving the Church, and that is agood thing, no matter how you look at it! I think that most people would agree that Pope Francis has done, or said somethingthat has caused you some grief. He clearly will go down in history as a bad Pope...but none thd less...he is our Pope! There is nothing that he could do to make me leave our Lord's Church! The Catholic Church has endured many ups and downs over the last 2,000 years...and we will also get through Pope Francis! Have faith in Jesus, He knows what we are going through...and have faith that the Holy Spirit will guide us through this mess! Otherwise, the Words that Jesus spoke when He said that the gates of Hell would never prevail against Her...weren't true...and that just isn't possible! Trust in God, trust in His Son, and trust the Holy Spirit! God bless you all! 🙏
Isn't it ironic that the "One True Church" has to borrow from the other false/schismatic church's liturgies (Anglican and Orthodox) in order to have any semblance of reverence and tradition?
No. Because it doesn’t. It has its own ancient Latin Rite to draw from. The Anglican Ordinariate draws its own content and piety from the Tridentine Mass, not from Prayer Book Anglicanism….. The ordinariate Mass is the traditional Roman Rite with Cranmerian elements sprinkled on top. That there has been a crisis over the liturgy in the Roman Church will literally just turn out to be another “moment” in her turbulent but long, venerable history. This temporary break down of piety will turn out to be a peculiar crisis born of 3-4 generations of Catholics, and then the ship will right itself again. All of the data and stats support this as well. The church is getting smaller but it is becoming more intensely devoted in praxis and orthodox in belief.
@@TheCatholicBrothers I'm aware that the Ordinariate is a derivative of the Latin Rite. It's original purpose was to make Protestant converts comfortable with a liturgy they were more familiar with, (maybe the Latin Rite was too much of a cold shower for Anglican converts). But nowadays it serves the purpose of being one of the only "traditional" options left. If we're being honest, the Latin Rite is being phased out slowly but surely. The irony I'm pointing out is this: what was once a watered down, Protestantised liturgy in the Catholic church is now one of the only "traditional" options left.
@@wazupmaniish it’s just not accurate. The Ordinariate Mass is not just a derivative of the Latin Rite, in a general sense, it *is* the Latin Rite almost word for word and rubric by rubric with an inclusion of certain Cranmerian prayers. This is because, unbeknownst to many in the Catholic hierarchy (thank God), the Anglo-Catholics for whom the Ordinariate was designed were NOT Protestants in their worship prior to swimming the Tiber. Most of these people were already accustomed to abandoning the Book of Common Prayer and opting instead to celebrate the Latin Mass translated into Elizabethan English, with just a few of Cranmer’s prayers (prayer of humble access, post communion thanksgiving, etc). Few mainline Anglicans would identify with the liturgy celebrated in the Ordinariate, because they will have either been used to the liturgies in the BCP’s of 1662, 1928, or 1979. That said, Rome’s liturgical landscape, from a “traditional” standpoint is much better than what you described. For traditional Catholics, one of four options exist in most populated areas: 1). Well-celebrated Novus Ordo (an exponentially growing category) 2.) TLM (still available and also growing despite TC, because FSSP and other societies are constantly growing and splitting their congregants) 3). Ordinariate Parishes 4). Byzantine Catholic parishes The sloppy or dull Novus Ordo, sure, still has a strong hold on the landscape (let’s say 60%), but it’s steadily declining and those types of parishes are being closed and consolidated on a monthly basis. The Catholic Church is coming out of a silly season, and all stats show a church that is getting smaller but stronger. It’s actually an exciting time to be Catholic, even with all the nonsense having its last hoorah under the current pontificate.
I really appreciate all three of you. But why did you mislead your listeners concerning the Magisterial Document "Fiducia Supplicans"? It is a beautiful expansion on the 2021 teaching of Pope Francis himself. And your slighting reference to the pre-Cana effort of Cardinal Fernandez to aid the spirituality of newly-weds, written back in the 1990s was unkind and sounded more like gossip than brotherly concern for a fellow Christian. Love is difficult. It makes us vulnerable. It leads to all kinds of pain and disappointments. But when Jesus says to love one another, He doesn't mean to love everyone but your leaders in the Church. guys. Please?
I really liked Ybarra’s final metaphor: the archaeological route. That to me seems the most solid, the most trustworthy, the most coherent way forward. Thanks for that. A living magisterium, to my mind, spells-and can only spell-pure human error. Jesus Christ is the heir to the Davidic Kingdom, but he does not sit on a throne in Jerusalem. It is an abstract, spiritual, mystical kingdom…just like Christendom. It is, quite plainly, an Invisible Church. A church unified by love and prayer and common belief. Not by a man-made, structural hierarchy. When I don’t understand something, it makes sense to me to submit to Christ himself. Not some social club that claims to go back to Apostolic times, but which, in no way, reminds me of the Apostles. And the best I can make out, Jesus has forbidden me to join with Rome.
If you are truly a sincere seeker of truth and not a committed partisan, I will give you a friendly challenge to listen to our First 500 Years playlist on our channel tabs. Start from episode 1 (The Judaisms of Jesus” and go all the way through to our most recent episodes on Roman religion). After you have listened, leave us your counter argument, either here or via email, and we can have a discussion about this very topic. Email is thecatholicbrothers@gmail.com
@@TheCatholicBrothers Yes, but Erick said he was a voice of 'common sense' in the Church on your show, along with Patrick Coffin, who is a Sedevacantist.
@@PaxMundi118 he wasn’t saying that that’s who he listens to now. He’s talking about his journey and that *when* he was listening to them, they at least made important points to consider thoughtfully, and how the other side immediately wrote off problems with the current pontificate and just labeled people w/ legitimate concerns as schismatics didn’t sit right with him (and still doesn’t).
@@TheCatholicBrothers Thanks. I didn't mean to be rash in my judgement. Please forgive me if I was. You have a fantastic podcast...But as a very strongly pro-life Catholic, I have felt betrayed by LifeSiteNews, because they constantly publish sensationalist material that forwards a dangerous and divisive narrative about the Church...Indeed, many on the 'Catholic right,' like Bishop Strickland, have gone to almost unbelievable lengths to slander the Supreme Pontiff...As a convert to Catholicism, who is, to the best of my ability, committed to orthodoxy, this is all very unhelpful.
Dont pray to anybody but GOD for thats like praying to me or someone praying to you beause anybody who is with GOD is not above you at all and its mentioned in the bible that prophets are not anybody to be prayed too or worshipped.
@@user-ck5pc3vh5n nope. The Orthodox Catholic Church is the official name of what you may incorrectly call the Eastern Orthodox Church, forgetting the existence of the Western Rite.
@@user-ck5pc3vh5n I'm just being silly to try to make a point about how the names of denominations are confusing. When you say Roman Catholic, you have people say, so not eastern rite Catholics, so I was saying the same reasoning means you can't say Eastern Orthodox because that would be forgetting the Western Rite Orthodox, and the fact that the Official name of the Eastern Orthodox is Orthodox Catholic Church, so simply talking about Catholics isn't really specific enough
The guy Ybarra is a meatball. He switches faiths quite a bit seems like and doesn’t know what he is just like many of his cohorts. Will switch again I’m sure. Not sure why anyone would consider him an authority on anything? We can all read the history of the church and read off facts and write books. Remember, his opinions are objective and biased and misleading. He also complains about the direction of the Roman church and basically describes the Orthodox Church as what most disgruntled Romans are looking for. We all know that if the majority of Roman’s knew about Orthodoxy they would switch in a minute. I’m doing my best to make that happen. Former Roman here and the truth is Orthodoxy.
"...it undermines doctrine..." A pope - "servants of the servants of God" - has the job to do "undermining doctrine."? Is doctrine not based on the truth of Jesus? So, Pope Francis is undermining the truths of Jesus. It is as simple as that.
I’d have to rewatch it again honestly to elaborate. I believe it was some story you were telling and the guy on the right was looking like he wasn’t believing what you were saying. So i just got that vibe. I’ve never listened to you before so maybe that’s just how you tell stories…only heard of you through dyer. No disrespect if you were being honest
I just watched that “debate” you said you had with Jay. Even he called you an un honest debater. I don’t know enough about your ministry to say that so i apologize. But if Jay said it, i believe it.☦️
@@dugga4617 jay is super uncharitable and prideful and refuses to admit it why would you listen to someone like that (not saying i am not prideful sometimes)
I would agree he is prideful but we all are so that wouldn’t keep me from learning from him. The man is more well read on church history than just about anyone on UA-cam. And he’s technically a comedian by profession also so you get the character Jay dyer alongside his teaching. I agree it doesn’t mix well but I wouldn’t throw out the baby with the bath water. Just spit out the bones
Funny to see Orthodox using this Protestant term now, since there is no term in the Eastern tradition to describe someone in communion with the successor of St Peter other than “Catholic.”
@@ivanipatov6559 my dear boy, “papist” was not a word used to describe Roman Catholics until the 1530’s in England. So, again, like I said, the only word in Orthodox tradition to describe a person in communion with the bishop of Rome is “Catholic.” This is yet another unfortunate symptom of what’s happening to the autocephalous Eastern Churches with the influx of disaffected Protestants that they are receiving…..They are slowly adopting the polemical language of the Reformation instead of speaking from their own Tradition.
@@TheCatholicBrothers And England) I'm not English I read the day before yesterday the London apologetics against the Romans. the polemics of the Protestants when they call the Virgin Mary Ishtar are no different from the Dawaganda against which they are fighting.
I love you guys. Saved me from Sedevacantism and Protestantism
Praise God!
I credit Erick for my conversion to the Catholic Church from Orthodoxy. Pray for the rest of my family to follow me, please.
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Praying for you and your family
@@joshchastain5 thank you!
PAPAL BULL UNAM SANCTAM proclaimed by pope boniface VIII:
Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.
Pope Francis canonized Gregory of Narek and the Copt Martyrs, who were never subject to the pope, nor to the Roman Church. This contradicts a papal bull as well as an ecumenical council. Either the true catholic church has apostatized or the Roman church exalted its own see to a point of severing communion with the original church, the orthodox church.
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 1399
1399 The Eastern churches that are not in full communion with the Catholic Church celebrate the Eucharist with great love. "These Churches, although separated from us, yet possess true sacraments, above all - by apostolic succession - the priesthood and the Eucharist, whereby they are still joined to us in closest intimacy." A certain communion in sacris, and so in the Eucharist, "given suitable circumstances and the approval of Church authority, is not merely possible but is encouraged." - The Eucharist exists on a catholic perspective towards the orthodox. You shouldn't convert your family.
POPE FRANCIS said this: Later in a visit with Georgian Catholics at a Tbilisi parish on Saturday afternoon, Francis told them they must not seek to convert members of the Georgian Orthodox community.
“There is a big sin against ecumenism: proselytism,” said the pontiff. “You must never proselytize the Orthodox. They are our brothers and sisters, disciples of Jesus Christ.”
“Walk together, pray for each other, and do works of charity together when you can,” the pope encouraged. “This is ecumenism. Do not condemn a brother or sister.”
You are doing a sin against ecumenism. Pope Francis says you shouldn't proselytize the Orthodox.
I LOVE ERICK YBARRA. In my opinion he is the deepest thinker in Catholic apologetics. His strength is not mastering arguments and rebuttals, or debate, but deep dive studies
Yes, he has more scholarly integrity than many mainstream Catholic apologists.
Apologists can become too much like lawyers but Ybarra is not like this.
can Erick answer this? i doubt it, no catholic i've ever met can.
what does John 14:15 really mean?
a) we ignore the Commandments we don't agree with?
b) we keep all Ten, showing we love Jesus Christ?
c) we tamper with the Commandments we don't agree with?
d) insert your own definition or that of your church here.
this gets a lot deeper. but it begins to expose catholicism, who chooses a & c , sadly.
I appreciate this interview a lot. But will say, as a Protestant pastor who also came into the Catholic Church under the Francis pontificate, I find him a very refreshing and loving voice (though a confusing voice for many) at a time when I’ve experienced a lot of legalism in my past and still notice in others in the present.
Love your content! Keep it up.
I agree with you big time. He's very refreshing voice in a cacophony of legalistic guilt tripping.
What legalism did you experience and from who did you experience that from?
@@lillyCfields Good question. As much as I admire both Horn and Akins (more so Horn) and I think they've done alot for the Church; I don't think they have the right toolset to deal with the current and increasing troubles the church faces. The Catholic Answers scene was good for refuting (and still is) a lot of the fundamentalist nonsense. I think though, that because they had to engage with a purile opponent in a very 1+1=2 manner (thus the legalism) they're not equipped to take on more serious opponents. Does that make sense?
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Oooh, okay. So, they can sound condemning (or legalistic as you guys put it). I highly respect converts bc of all the things they have to go through. I think that makes them more softer in their approach when dealing with people.
As a fellow recent convert I agree. He's a "pastoral" Pope versus a "litigious" one. He knows that traditions are secondary to Christ's message which is why he rubs a lot of traditional Catholics the wrong way. I like that we bounce around in terms of theology and emphasis from Pope to Pope. Benedict was very "law and order" in almost the same severity as Francis' laissez-faire attitude towards pastoral care. I don't think one or the other is better and I think we benefit from having both :)
Have him on again! Can't get enough of Ybarra.
Just finished this episode. It’s been about a year since I first discovered you two brothers and will come into the church this Easter Vigil. You’ve helped tremendously. I hit a mental exhaustion point about 3 weeks ago from trying to get my apologies ready for my friends, (they still don’t know) but have come to the place of, rather than explaining the Catholic whys, I’m wanting to explain the Reformation errors. Just learning of Erick Ybarra from this episode, I’m anxious to do some deep dives with him on justification, etc. I appreciate you more than you can know.
@terrykessinger4432, I can appreciate your comment. 😊 I , too, enter in this Easter. My family and Protestant friends are shocked. My husband fully supports me , so that’s all that truely matters. But, it will be mostly futile to try to explain anything to them or show them the errors of the reformation . They believe SO many lies as I once did, it would be just a tit for tat. It will end in arguments. I’m going to live the Catholic Faith in front of them in love and pray for them, and my answer to them is that…I just traded John McArthur, John Piper, & RC Sproul in for St. Ignatius, St. Polycarp and St. Clement! That’s it! 🙏🏻❤️. If they truly care to know, anything more, they can look up the church fathers themselves. And I’m sure a few of them., even if they did that they would find argument with the church fathers claiming that’s not the Bible. 😂 Blessings to you!❤️🙏🏻
@@elizabethking5523 Your story sounds so much like mine! My husband is even attending OCIA with me so that he can better understand Catholicism - and he is enjoying it, with no intention of converting - yet. And it isn’t my family as much as my friends. I actually worked at my Proti church for 21 years, until last October, so it’s my previous co-workers and friends. I have so many books by Piper, Lloyd-Jones, Sproul, etc., and ALSO books by Hahn, Horn, Belloc, as well as so many of the church fathers. It’s truly a new life, and it feels so much more charitable. I’m asking the Blessed Mother to intercede for my husband and sister to join me one day soon. Blessings and congratulations to you!
@@terrykessinger4432 , yes, that will be so wonderful! I have faith that our love ones will come too someday! I think my husband will follow first. He was So against even mentioning Mary. And now, I can speak freely to him about all of it. ❤️The Holy Spirit is at work! 😃 Congratulations to you too! We are home! ❤️🙏🏻 God will do the rest! The Saints are praying for us too! 🙏🏻Blessings my sister in Christ!😃❤️🙏🏻
@@terrykessinger4432 oh, and yes!! SO MUCH more Charitable!! 🙏🏻😊
This discussion, locus of study and evolution of Erick's faith and research is outstanding. Better yet, I see it as a pilgrimage to the Roman Catholic faith. I'm still an Anglo-Catholic: at the age of 74 I've learned to pick my battles.
As a cradle traditional Catholic I love listening to conversion stories and Erick's story is fascinating. I appreciate the sheer hard work invested in research to find the true church, the Holy Catholic Church founded by our Lord Jesus. I pray that our protestant, orthodox brothers and sisters come to know the truth.
For people who lament about Francis I say this, Francis is only the house keeper a sinner like the rest of us. He is a liberal Jesuit therefore our prayers should be for our Lord to intervene at his appropriate time to rescue his church from bad influences. God bless your work.
I love the walking on eggshells question about Lawftdawg haha. Great interview!
The last 15 minutes starting at 1:30:00 was an absolutely exceptional yet brief description of a robust argument for Catholicism. Isaiah referring to Christ holding the “government on his shoulders” is one special area in scripture that is enormously positive for an institutional Church that I’ve been pointing out for a couple years now.
Great listen altogether! Thanks Erick and Cath bros!
I love anything the Catholic Brothers put out....❤
Interesting guest.
My story is very similar to Eric’s, with the exception of being a Church of Christ guy rather than a Baptist. Praise God for him drawing me back to the Catholic Church.
it's too bad Scripture didn't draw you into Truth.
Was really hoping to hear Erick speak of his time at St. Mary’s in Pine Bluff, WI.
I left off at a point some years before we moved to Wisconsin. I would have loved to have given a shout-out to St. Mary's.
Thank you for sharing! I especially enjoyed the ending explaining we can only go so far intellectually but it is most of all a living faith. "Come and see" as they say. The Catholic vs Eastern orthodox subject can be so tricky, both having an incredible amount of Saints and being at the roots of it all till humans had to divide it all.
Really appreciate this video.
Y'all always hit home runs with your videos. Keep it up!!
To say that I admire you both falls short. Thanks for the sharing your knowledge and faith. It rubs in.
I understand where Erick's coming from with Jimmy Akin and CA years ago. There was a time when they just wouldn't acknowledge the growing concerns with Pope Francis (like Lofton to some extent), and I recognized that. But it makes sense given their apostolate. Most recently, Jimmy Akin was very open and honest in his criticism of Pope Francis. And Horn and Heschmeyer were also critical of FS. So Catholic Answers turned a corner at some point in the past, I think.
I’ve noticed this as well.
Be careful. You’ll have to make the same arguments for a pope you like when people call him heretical.
Or Jimmy Akin is practicing Donum Veritalis, which teaches not publicly criticizing the Magisterium.
@@paulmualdeave5063 I don't understand what you are saying (probably because you have misunderstood my own comment).... What "same arguments" are you referring to? I didn't make any arguments for or against any pope. No one is publicly criticizing the Magisterium. One can criticize the person of the pope without criticizing the Magisterium or his office. Strictly speaking, it's not so much Pope Francis' teaching(s) that raises concerns but his governance and disciplinary decisions (and the resulting confusion for teaching). Again, Erick Ybarra has a great video on the underlying problem/theme behind these concerns: "Diagnosing the Problem in the Catholic Church"
St. Alban’s is a very lovely church. I’m surprised I didn’t end up there in my own walk, but I don’t think I would have ever gone to the Catholic Church from there. I would have been too content.
Well worth listening to.
Today I've been binging his appearances on Suan Sonna's channel from 2 yrs ago. And then this drops! How providential. Big fan of all 3 of you.
Erick's response to Gavin Ortland regarding the Church should be a separate shorter video. 👍😊
You guys gotta make a clip
Listening with interest as an Orthodox, and look forward to reading the book. But so far I heard you say at about min 55 that “Orthodoxy has an internal organ issue that’s threatening to the life of the church” whereas Roman Catholicism has a “skin problem”….i guess like cancer vs acne.
Then you said that the RC priest was telling you to leave your wife with whom you had 2 children (whereas the Orthodox priest told you that your present marriage could be blessed) but then when the RC priest heard you had been baptized RC he found a loophole for you and could consider your first marriage a non marriage and annul it. And we know this is standard practice in the RC church. I remember hearing one of the Kennedy ex-wives saying the RC Church annulled her marriage of a couple decades which produced several children. Voila…it was annuled…no marriage ever happened. Wow.
So while I do want to hear the rest of what you have to say, that type of denial of reality strikes me as seriously problematic…and indicative of more than a mere “cosmetic” problem.
And to ask you to abandon your wife, the mother of your children, that seems very cruel. No, the Orthodox Churchdoes not do that, thank God.
Something else I’m aware of….the pedophilia scandal which seems to be very widespread in the RC Church. it’s hard to think of something more “cancerous” than that…a practice of priests sexually abusing children and bishops knowingly enabling the abuse. I don’t know how anyone could know this and think it a minor cosmetic issue. Actually, that was how the RC hierarchy dealt with it…like something minor to “cover up.” Whitewashing sepulchers.
Yes, Orthodox people also sin and have much spiritual work to do to become more like Christ, but widespread sexual abuse of altar boys and other children? No. Lord have mercy. I’m very grateful for the holiness I am shown in the Orthodox Church.
The Lord Jesus Christ is present in His Orthodox Church. Anyone can find Christ and grow in Christ in the Orthodox Church.
You might be unaware of the Catholic view on "lack of form". I was never married in the eyes of the Catholic Church because I, as a baptized Catholic, was bound to observe the form of the sacrament. This has been a standard rule for centuries. So it was not a "loophole" as you describe. It was a standard text-book case.
As for pedophilia - this is a cancer but it is not a fatal injury that disproves Catholicism's claim to being the true Church. Otherwise, both Catholicism and Orthodoxy would be disproven. In fact, Christianity would then be disproven. As for the Orthodox, it really comes down to whether they can be consistent in their claim to be the one true Church. I have written 2 books explaining why I don't think they can sustain that claim.
Amen. I believe that Orthodoxy has the fullness of the faith, but it’s easier to become RC since EO churches are so ethnic ( I’m an AA and can’t imagine fitting in). However without the liturgy and with the current Pope and priests embracing the insanity of the culture, I might as well stay a Protestant, dumpster fire that it is.😞
Solid interview, thanks. Some comments:
1. The grace of infallibility, i.e., the freedom from teaching error, bestowed by Jesus Christ upon the Apostle Peter and his successors, i.e., the Bishops of Rome, DID NOT extend to freedom from imprudence. Therefore, Pope Francis is not preserved from committing errors against prudence, chief of the cardinal virtues and defined by St. Thomas Aquinas as "right reason in action." The error of imprudence was that for which St. Peter was confronted by St. Paul in Galatians 2:11-14.
2. According to Catholic tradition, only a future pope can judge a former pope. In this respect, I pray that a future pope will examine the entire record of Pope Francis and make any needed adjustments. My recommendations for an especially intensive examination would include Traditionis Custodes and Fiducia Supplicans.
3. Regarding Erick's upcoming book on Pope Honorius I, I assume that he will consult the work of the neutral observer Anglo-Irish historian John Bagnell Bury, who was the Regius Professor of Modern History at the University of Cambridge and a Professorial Fellow of King's College, Cambridge from 1902 until his death in 1927. According to p. 252 of Bury's A history of the later Roman empire from Arcadius to Irene, Volume 2 (2005) regarding Honorious, "it was for the 'imprudent economy of silence' that he was condemned."
4. Message from a caller at 130:41 - 1:31:43: "Big fan of your youtube podcast channel. I've been surveying the evidence for a while now and it's just so difficult to know whether to stay Protestant Reformed, become Anglican or become Catholic. It's difficult since people that know way more than me on both Protestant side, my friend at Westminster Seminary and the Catholic side, you guys and Erick Ybarra among others, who know their stuff and still disagree. I just don't know how to make the right decision. I'm in agreement with you that as a whole, Reformed Protestantism seems to be much less in accord with historical Christianity, but then again, Protestant denominations don't claim to be infallible. I've been reading when I have time Newman's essay on development. It has helped but I am by no means ready to say, as he did in his apologia later in life, that the Roman Church is the oracle of God." ('So any words of encouragement for this fellow for where he's at...{?}')
Response:
A. Mary, the mother of Jesus.
B. If this caller can accept Mary as both his mother and mother of the Church as proclaimed at Vatican Council II, then he can be Catholic. In other words, can he ask Mary to pray for him, i.e., pray a Hail Mary?
C. I recommend that he read Chapter 8 - The Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God, in the Mystery of Christ and the Church (Nos. 52-69) from Lumen Gentium, the Second Vatican Council's Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, solemnly promulgated by Pope Paul VI on Nov. 21, 1964. This chapter is a compendium of the Catholic Church's Marian teachings.
D. Quoting from Lumen Gentium's Chapter 8, Section 2 - The Role of the Blessed Mother in the Economy of Salvation, No. 58: "... the Blessed Virgin advanced in her pilgrimage of faith, and faithfully persevered in her union with her Son unto the cross, where she stood, in keeping with the divine plan, (Cf. Jn. 19:25) grieving exceedingly with her only begotten Son, uniting herself with a maternal heart with His sacrifice, and lovingly consenting to the immolation of this Victim which she herself had brought forth. Finally, she was given by the same Christ Jesus dying on the cross as a mother to His disciple with these words: "Woman, behold thy son". (Cf. Jn. 19:26-27.) (Cf Jn. 4:14; 7:38-39)
[Vatican VA webpage /archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html]
What a great metaphor.. "While the Catholic Church has a skin problem and it looks bad on the outside, the Orthodox Church has an internal organ problem that was more threatening to the life of the Church"
Fr. John has a light about him.
It’s sinple, the Catholic bros post and I watch
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I hope some of orthodox who like to corner Catholic church listen this episode.
"Let your yes be yes, and your no be no. "
1:14:00
Love your channel! Pax vobis. You really touched a nerve when you mentioned papal failure and pope Honorius... After last Sunday's (SSPX) mass I ended up in a discussion with some brothers who are basically sedevacantists. And my conclusion is that it is impossible to talk with them, because... You know, they just destroy me on any point I will bring up.
Well, to be honest they will destroy any position they encounter in their way, like protestants on justification, the rejection of purgatory as non-biblical, orthodoxy and the immaculate conception or the filioque or the Palamist enérgeia vs ousía distinction... The list goes on and on. But when I throw at them that their position on Francis is basically a Donatist heresy, because it does not allow for papal failure of any kind, or that their position is self-defeative (because where is their apostolic succession/authority?) they always have everything so minutely figured out. They will always end up showing one way or another how the Church left them and not the other way around (as Lefebvre also insisted).
Long story short: I just cannot debate them (at least not here, in The Netherlands). Their knowledge of scripture, patristics, doctors and especially magisterial teaching throughout the ages is just outright savage. Now, I happen to agree with them on many points, but when it comes to sedevacantism basically all they have to do is to point out cringy stuff that Francis says/does or hammer on magisterial teachings that blatantly contradict the latest encyclical... And they just have these extremely watertight rebuttals - Paul did not really rebuke Peter, Canisius' catechism contradicts baptism of desire....
This is why I am really looking forward on this case study of Pope Honorius! But I do not think I will ever be able to debate a sedevacantist. They tend to be obsessed and just relentless. I even believe Matt Fradd considered taking down this debate between Cassman and the sedevacantist monk or brother.
Funny thing is, the modern, ecumenical vibes our church oozes these days with its "exploration of pastoral options" and basically endorsement of protestantism, orthodoxy and other denominations, will ultimately have to end in the contradictory endorsement of sedevacsntists, lol. Lord have Mercy.
Complete sidenote: All sedevacantists I know are men. I guess men really are a lot more likely to go down rabbit holes all the way, like chess players, whereas women are more generalistic and people-minded and lest specialistic and narrow or obsessive.
You’re yoked to a system with no good way out of these problems. The sedevacantists are correct when pointing to serious changes between pre and post Vatican II Catholicism. There is no consistent answer to their points besides some form of modernism (already condemned by Pascendi). BUT, due to the claims of Vatican I (papal indefectability AND papal perpetuity) sedevacantism is not an allowable position in Roman Catholicism.
These problems go back further than Vatican II, or John XXIII. Your own papacy admits (Chieti document, Alexandria document) that the Orthodox “conciliarist” teaching on church governance is the one consistent with the church of the first millennium - NOT the Vatican I papal system. That’s not a reason to become Orthodox, but IMO it’s a reason to at least consider Orthodox Christianity as a valid option.
Erick, I’ve watched a lot of your videos and you make a very convincing argument for the Catholic Church. How can I find a traditional Catholic Church in my area and not one that teaches universalism like you mentioned. Thank you sir.
Hi! I would begin by examining their websites. There are some key indicators of where a parish is at by their website. That is not *always* the case of course. Then, see what they offer. Are they deeply involved in evangelism. Are they seeking to educate their flock. Are the priests men of God. Etc. etc.
@@Erick_Ybarra hey Sir!
question for you that no catholic has ever been able to answer -- how can this system which claims to love Christ, tamper with His Commandments as it did, thus nullifying John 14:15 ?
in Daniel 7, we see a blasphemous system (another proof standing to expose catholicism) tampering with the Holy Command, the 7th day Sabbath.
not only did this 'church' do so, it freely admits and teaches such -- ending all controversy as to the identity of this system and it's apostasy!
this is only proving that catholicism mandates sin ~ 1 John 3:4
I have consistently said that Erick Ybarra is the best card in the deck of Catholic apologists today; without question, second to none, hit the bullseye every time, Ace of Spades. ♠
Hearing about how he even had to consider separation from his wife, whom he had two children with, and being prepared to do it, I have a new respect for him. It must have been a feeling like something approaching the binding of Isaac. Wow.
Chumps who are "playing church" (I really like that term, I plan to steal it); James White, Gavin Ortlund... really need to stfu and sit tf down and listen for a minuet. Because some of us are taking this whole salvation thing....
" ...a little more... seriously." - 🃏
“But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.”
Colossians 3:8 NASB1995
I’d never seen this channel before, but I’m intrigued by Ybarra’s story-I’ve read his blog before-and appreciate the interview.
I’m writing this comment over a month after you posted the video, so probably no one will see this, but I wonder-I’ve long wondered-what Catholic apologists say for a person who’s getting pulled in the opposite direction. In my case I am a cradle Catholic who deeply loves the Anglican tradition and has a strong pull towards that (my spirituality, to be honest, is more English than Italian or Greek).
I also have strong doubts, based on my studies, about papal infallibility and, even more so, universal papal jurisdiction.
The upshot of all these stories is that the convert was convinced that Catholicism is true (I’m thinking of Chesterton’s “Why I Am a Catholic,” of course), whether intellectually or spiritually. So what about the person who’s intellectually-and, maybe more drastically, spiritually-unconvinced? I don’t know, maybe there isn’t a good answer, but I keep asking.
Have you looked into the Ordinariate in the Catholic Church at all?
Also, I recommend you watch this video as it details our journey from Catholicism to Protestantism, then to Anglicanism and finally back home to Catholicism.
m.ua-cam.com/video/GV7Eql7DZ20/v-deo.html&pp=iAQB
@@TheCatholicBrothers Thanks for the reply!-I wasn’t expecting one. I’ll watch the video.
I know the ordinariate well-I’m actually trying to join now, to see if Houston will take me despite my cradle-Catholic status, but Houston hasn’t responded yet. (I even reached out to them to confirm they have my request-they responded to that to say, yes, it’s still being processed. Ha.)
Unfortunately, no ordinariate parishes exist anywhere near me. And that “anywhere” is not an exaggeration; looking on the OCSP’s website, I’m seeing that the nearest one is many hours away, across several state lines. So, alas, it’s not an option for me. I reached out to an ordinariate priest about my concerns and he recommended the St. Gregory the Great Prayer Book, which I’m looking into buying. (I’ve been recently praying the Daily Office with ACNA’s app-I understand from the video that one or both of you were ACNA?)
I’m also a bit bummed about the ordinariate because I’ve heard from a few people that someone tried to start an ordinariate fellowship relatively closer to me and the diocesan hierarchy handicapped her every step of the way. (I reached out to her myself and she just said that starting an ordinariate community is hard here in New England/the Northeast.) That worries me that, despite Anglicanorum coetibus, the powers that be aren’t really interested in irenicism and allowing English/Anglican spirituality into the church.
Anyway, thanks again for the reply! I’ll watch the video.
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I would recommend using the daily office in Divine Worship - Commonwealth Edition.
www.ctsbooks.org/product/daily-office/
@@TheCatholicBrothers Lovely edition. If it ever comes down in price, or if I can find a secondhand edition, I’ll look into it.
I watched the video you linked. I don’t want to go into theological debate, especially not in the comments section, so feel free not to respond to this. As I understand it from that video, most of your concerns with Anglicanism come from, or at least start with women’s ordination?
If I strongly opposed women’s ordination, that would make my choice easier, but I’ve gradually been more and more open to it-largely by reading, yes, Anglicans like N.T. Wright. I’m still not fully convinced, tradition being what it is (though I am convinced the early church had larger roles for women-deaconesses), but it’s not my make-or-break issue.
I could go more into the weeds, but I don’t want to, especially after you were so kind and responded to my random comment. Suffice it to say that my biggest problem with my church is less a theological question than an ethos; like the Anglo-Catholic priest at the Blue Flower blog (sarumuse.org/northern-catholicism/), my “temperament favours the primacy of Tradition and intrinsic truth over authority and magisterium.” Too often in Catholicism, I hear that I must accept something because the powers that be have declared it, rather than because my interlocutor has a rational argument. I simply cannot square an appeal to authority and nothing else with my conscience, which is where the trouble lies. (Incidentally, I’d argue, this troubled Newman-and contradicts Chesterton’s statement that “alone on earth, the Church affirms that God himself is bound by reason.”)
(And I know from that video that you think your searching and self-debating ended, at least to some degree, when you entered the Catholic Church-all I can say is that from my experience, Catholics debate each other on everything all the time, and the questions are just “what does the Catechism mean?” or “what does this specific undefined term in this papal pronouncement mean?” rather than an evangelical’s “what does the Bible mean?” or an Orthodox’s “what do the Fathers mean?”)
I can't help thinking this...but..
Do you wonder 100 years from now, what Catholics will be writing about when speaking about our days?
Possibly scism for sure, SSPX, Radtrads, which deeply saddens me.
We are also minus a great St. Thomas Aquinas in our day.
Who knows, God may bless us with something wonderful in the near future!
I enjoyed the conversation very much...
Thank you!
I may nit be a scholor, though I am a kitchen table theologian..ha!i I strongly disagree with you on the credibility of those in the John Henry Weston, Patrick Coffin, the new Taylor Marshall, etc...
Anyone who listens to them can hear that they are speaking between the lines, and you know that they have an agenda.
Listen for too long and you will find yourself outside of the Church!
I know that there was a personal disagreement with Michael Lofton, and honesty I don't know what it was.
Though I believe that Michael Lofton defending our Pope is a good thing.
Thsts respectfully what all Catholics should be trying to do.
Michael has kept a lot of people from leaving the Church, and that is agood thing, no matter how you look at it!
I think that most people would agree that Pope Francis has done, or said somethingthat has caused you some grief.
He clearly will go down in history as a bad Pope...but none thd less...he is our Pope!
There is nothing that he could do to make me leave our Lord's Church!
The Catholic Church has endured many ups and downs over the last 2,000 years...and we will also get through Pope Francis!
Have faith in Jesus, He knows what we are going through...and have faith that the Holy Spirit will guide us through this mess!
Otherwise, the Words that Jesus spoke when He said that the gates of Hell would never prevail against Her...weren't true...and that just isn't possible!
Trust in God, trust in His Son, and trust the Holy Spirit!
God bless you all! 🙏
"He was preaching the gospel. Maybe he's on the verge of schism" :D Very funny, but sadly a true question to be asked, at times.
The guy opening the show sounds like Gavin Ortlund
eyyy.. one of my favourite faces on yt...
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Isn't it ironic that the "One True Church" has to borrow from the other false/schismatic church's liturgies (Anglican and Orthodox) in order to have any semblance of reverence and tradition?
No. Because it doesn’t. It has its own ancient Latin Rite to draw from. The Anglican Ordinariate draws its own content and piety from the Tridentine Mass, not from Prayer Book Anglicanism….. The ordinariate Mass is the traditional Roman Rite with Cranmerian elements sprinkled on top.
That there has been a crisis over the liturgy in the Roman Church will literally just turn out to be another “moment” in her turbulent but long, venerable history. This temporary break down of piety will turn out to be a peculiar crisis born of 3-4 generations of Catholics, and then the ship will right itself again. All of the data and stats support this as well. The church is getting smaller but it is becoming more intensely devoted in praxis and orthodox in belief.
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I'm aware that the Ordinariate is a derivative of the Latin Rite. It's original purpose was to make Protestant converts comfortable with a liturgy they were more familiar with, (maybe the Latin Rite was too much of a cold shower for Anglican converts).
But nowadays it serves the purpose of being one of the only "traditional" options left. If we're being honest, the Latin Rite is being phased out slowly but surely.
The irony I'm pointing out is this: what was once a watered down, Protestantised liturgy in the Catholic church is now one of the only "traditional" options left.
@@wazupmaniish it’s just not accurate.
The Ordinariate Mass is not just a derivative of the Latin Rite, in a general sense, it *is* the Latin Rite almost word for word and rubric by rubric with an inclusion of certain Cranmerian prayers. This is because, unbeknownst to many in the Catholic hierarchy (thank God), the Anglo-Catholics for whom the Ordinariate was designed were NOT Protestants in their worship prior to swimming the Tiber. Most of these people were already accustomed to abandoning the Book of Common Prayer and opting instead to celebrate the Latin Mass translated into Elizabethan English, with just a few of Cranmer’s prayers (prayer of humble access, post communion thanksgiving, etc). Few mainline Anglicans would identify with the liturgy celebrated in the Ordinariate, because they will have either been used to the liturgies in the BCP’s of 1662, 1928, or 1979.
That said, Rome’s liturgical landscape, from a “traditional” standpoint is much better than what you described. For traditional Catholics, one of four options exist in most populated areas:
1). Well-celebrated Novus Ordo (an exponentially growing category)
2.) TLM (still available and also growing despite TC, because FSSP and other societies are constantly growing and splitting their congregants)
3). Ordinariate Parishes
4). Byzantine Catholic parishes
The sloppy or dull Novus Ordo, sure, still has a strong hold on the landscape (let’s say 60%), but it’s steadily declining and those types of parishes are being closed and consolidated on a monthly basis.
The Catholic Church is coming out of a silly season, and all stats show a church that is getting smaller but stronger. It’s actually an exciting time to be Catholic, even with all the nonsense having its last hoorah under the current pontificate.
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I really appreciate all three of you. But why did you mislead your listeners concerning the Magisterial Document "Fiducia Supplicans"? It is a beautiful expansion on the 2021 teaching of Pope Francis himself. And your slighting reference to the pre-Cana effort of Cardinal Fernandez to aid the spirituality of newly-weds, written back in the 1990s was unkind and sounded more like gossip than brotherly concern for a fellow Christian.
Love is difficult. It makes us vulnerable. It leads to all kinds of pain and disappointments. But when Jesus says to love one another, He doesn't mean to love everyone but your leaders in the Church. guys. Please?
I really liked Ybarra’s final metaphor: the archaeological route. That to me seems the most solid, the most trustworthy, the most coherent way forward. Thanks for that. A living magisterium, to my mind, spells-and can only spell-pure human error.
Jesus Christ is the heir to the Davidic Kingdom, but he does not sit on a throne in Jerusalem. It is an abstract, spiritual, mystical kingdom…just like Christendom. It is, quite plainly, an Invisible Church. A church unified by love and prayer and common belief. Not by a man-made, structural hierarchy.
When I don’t understand something, it makes sense to me to submit to Christ himself. Not some social club that claims to go back to Apostolic times, but which, in no way, reminds me of the Apostles. And the best I can make out, Jesus has forbidden me to join with Rome.
If you are truly a sincere seeker of truth and not a committed partisan, I will give you a friendly challenge to listen to our First 500 Years playlist on our channel tabs. Start from episode 1 (The Judaisms of Jesus” and go all the way through to our most recent episodes on Roman religion). After you have listened, leave us your counter argument, either here or via email, and we can have a discussion about this very topic.
Email is thecatholicbrothers@gmail.com
John Henry-Westin said he's not sure that Pope Francis is the Pope.
Crazy.
@@TheCatholicBrothers Yes, but Erick said he was a voice of 'common sense' in the Church on your show, along with Patrick Coffin, who is a Sedevacantist.
I'm mentioning this because I respect you and Erick and because promoting quacks and schismastics hurts the faithful.
@@PaxMundi118 he wasn’t saying that that’s who he listens to now. He’s talking about his journey and that *when* he was listening to them, they at least made important points to consider thoughtfully, and how the other side immediately wrote off problems with the current pontificate and just labeled people w/ legitimate concerns as schismatics didn’t sit right with him (and still doesn’t).
@@TheCatholicBrothers Thanks. I didn't mean to be rash in my judgement. Please forgive me if I was. You have a fantastic podcast...But as a very strongly pro-life Catholic, I have felt betrayed by LifeSiteNews, because they constantly publish sensationalist material that forwards a dangerous and divisive narrative about the Church...Indeed, many on the 'Catholic right,' like Bishop Strickland, have gone to almost unbelievable lengths to slander the Supreme Pontiff...As a convert to Catholicism, who is, to the best of my ability, committed to orthodoxy, this is all very unhelpful.
Guys please take your guest seriously.🙏
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Dont pray to anybody but GOD for thats like praying to me or someone praying to you beause anybody who is with GOD is not above you at all and its mentioned in the bible that prophets are not anybody to be prayed too or worshipped.
I love Pope Francis, but I do not like him and I most certainly do not trust him.
Will continue to pray 🙏 for him.
Good thing you don't have to choose between Catholic and Orthodox, you can be a member of the Orthodox Catholic Church.
So Eastern Catholicism?
@@user-ck5pc3vh5n nope. The Orthodox Catholic Church is the official name of what you may incorrectly call the Eastern Orthodox Church, forgetting the existence of the Western Rite.
@@christophekeating21 So Anglicans? 🤣🤣🤣 But seriously, orthos are schismatic, Eastern protestant heretics over a non-issue.
@@user-ck5pc3vh5n I'm just being silly to try to make a point about how the names of denominations are confusing. When you say Roman Catholic, you have people say, so not eastern rite Catholics, so I was saying the same reasoning means you can't say Eastern Orthodox because that would be forgetting the Western Rite Orthodox, and the fact that the Official name of the Eastern Orthodox is Orthodox Catholic Church, so simply talking about Catholics isn't really specific enough
The guy Ybarra is a meatball. He switches faiths quite a bit seems like and doesn’t know what he is just like many of his cohorts. Will switch again I’m sure. Not sure why anyone would consider him an authority on anything? We can all read the history of the church and read off facts and write books. Remember, his opinions are objective and biased and misleading. He also complains about the direction of the Roman church and basically describes the Orthodox Church as what most disgruntled Romans are looking for. We all know that if the majority of Roman’s knew about Orthodoxy they would switch in a minute. I’m doing my best to make that happen. Former Roman here and the truth is Orthodoxy.
@@dogmalife2540 go to bed, it’s late.
Taylor Marshall very charmingly promotes schism and conspiracy.
Agree
STOP interrupting Erick.
OK
"...it undermines doctrine..." A pope - "servants of the servants of God" - has the job to do "undermining doctrine."? Is doctrine not based on the truth of Jesus? So, Pope Francis is undermining the truths of Jesus. It is as simple as that.
I can smell a liar in this guy… seems to be elaborating or plain making junk up.
???? Care to substantiate?
I’d have to rewatch it again honestly to elaborate. I believe it was some story you were telling and the guy on the right was looking like he wasn’t believing what you were saying. So i just got that vibe. I’ve never listened to you before so maybe that’s just how you tell stories…only heard of you through dyer. No disrespect if you were being honest
I just watched that “debate” you said you had with Jay. Even he called you an un honest debater. I don’t know enough about your ministry to say that so i apologize. But if Jay said it, i believe it.☦️
@@dugga4617 jay is super uncharitable and prideful and refuses to admit it why would you listen to someone like that (not saying i am not prideful sometimes)
I would agree he is prideful but we all are so that wouldn’t keep me from learning from him. The man is more well read on church history than just about anyone on UA-cam. And he’s technically a comedian by profession also so you get the character Jay dyer alongside his teaching. I agree it doesn’t mix well but I wouldn’t throw out the baby with the bath water. Just spit out the bones
Become papist
Funny to see Orthodox using this Protestant term now, since there is no term in the Eastern tradition to describe someone in communion with the successor of St Peter other than “Catholic.”
@@TheCatholicBrothers funny because papism is a Greek word. and Protestants are not like the Greeks.
@@ivanipatov6559 my dear boy, “papist” was not a word used to describe Roman Catholics until the 1530’s in England. So, again, like I said, the only word in Orthodox tradition to describe a person in communion with the bishop of Rome is “Catholic.”
This is yet another unfortunate symptom of what’s happening to the autocephalous Eastern Churches with the influx of disaffected Protestants that they are receiving…..They are slowly adopting the polemical language of the Reformation instead of speaking from their own Tradition.
@@TheCatholicBrothers and catholic also greek word)
I wish you to become a real Catholic and return to the faith before the schism.
@@TheCatholicBrothers And England) I'm not English
I read the day before yesterday the London apologetics against the Romans. the polemics of the Protestants when they call the Virgin Mary Ishtar are no different from the Dawaganda against which they are fighting.