Lol I expected Lily to produce resonance at first, but Haewon sounds closer to have resonance in the 4th octave than her. This group has so much potential though, their vocals are trained very well.
@@chewieqtpie Nah, a falsetto would be a LOT airier and thinner than what Kyujin did. Arguable of it's quality, it's definitely an attempt at a head voice.
@@chewieqtpie yuhhh, hoping she continues to work on it though. Kyujin, Bae and Jiwoo all showed nice attempts at a head voice with "oo" vowels already.
No because the mics were so much clearer at the Dream Concert (fuck them for turning Haewon's volume down during her Superhero line tho, sister looked pissed af), I was so shocked to hear how full and stable all of NMIXX sounded. Bae revealed that the group practices by singing/doing vocal exercises while running and it's so clear that its working because all of them have SUPERB stamina and breath control while dancing.
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the mics were clearer AND the girls were projecting lol nmixx are live performers, i fear nobody is coming close in the 4th gen
Haewon is really up there. Main vocalist material second to lily in nmixx obviously, putting haewon in their group in nmixx is already superior, adding lily is such an overkill. Kyujin on the other hand has no doubt a legit singer at a young age, kyujin supports properly and for sure in the future could make a wider upper range after seeing that falsetto on Haewon’s line.
they're not main vocalist "material", they ARE main vocalists not as in that's their position but they r truly a good vocalist LOL if you get what I mean
Ever since Kyujin showed full support in her A3's, I speculated that she'd have a much stronger sense of support going up to A4. Her head voice attempts so far have been really nice too. And personally I find her tone so satisfying. Like it's so smooth and pleasant to listen to. So excited for her growth because she's only 16 and she's already this good 😫🙏🏿
Haewon A4 sounded so good. I'm on repeat because of the quality and openness of that note. I am very hopeful that she will be able to resonate in the 4th octave. Just little more practice Haewon. You can now resonate!
Ikr, her voice is so open and forward in her mid range. There are some qualities of resonance present in her A4's but what hinders her most is her slight nasality.
@@zhejiwooinkwangya Just the very slight nasality. I think she is like wendy. there is slight nasality in her notes. But I'm really hopeful for her to completely resonate. I think Haewon shines more in her 4th octave, better than Lily than her 5th octave where lily shines better
@@rafaelm6181 I agreeeee, Haewon's fullness adds so much more texture in mid range notes while Lily more extensive support allows her to mix upper notes in a really healthy and balanced manner.
I must say that I missed haewon’s predebut vibrato sm! the “superhero” line attempt she went for at the music bank summer event was definitely her best one. I’ve been waiting for her to add the vibrato like she did within the studio version and now she has finally done it! I hope she continues to make better attempts with this approach since she sounds much fuller and rounder.
@@Brybeery I wouldn’t say vibrato is important but it’s a very nice asset to retain. I personally think it showcases the control you have over your voice. vibrato (a healthy vibrato to be specific) can also be a sign of open or resonant notes imo.
im still mad that you could barely hear haewon's voice in the "let me be you superhero" line in the studio version bcuz of the odd mixing and post eq-ing
Nmixx is a true gold mine of talent huh, I'm putting my money on Kyujin. How is she so young and yet so talented? She and all of the girls have a very very bright future
I knew that A4 at 2:04 was really close to resonance! the problem is her slight nasality that I wish she overcomes soon. Also, the D5 from her cover at the wedding kinda surprised me since both her and lily wore masks.
Little storytime: I was wondering why Haewon went for a lighter approach on the D5 in strawberry moon (cuz I've never listened to it LMAFOSOFA) and I guess she was trying to mimic IU's sound cuz *WOW* IU sang that song so soft and dreamy.
One thing with haewon is she is definitely knowledgeable she knows what approach would suit her the song the best and bends her voice and vocal technique accordingly . That's why you will always see me being so hopeful for her improvement only a person who knows their weakness can rectify it and be better in future and knowing so many ways to approach a note can definitely mean which is the best way for her to get better praying she still takes those vocal lessons a talent like her lily must not go to waste
@@kaushikidhupar2954 Yeahh, I'm actually really confident Nmixx are really taking care of their voice. It's pretty obvious they know how to take care and try to present stronger vocals. And if thats a stretch, its defintiely true that Lily and Haewon are really knowledgable about their voice's condition and health and they would definitely be helping the other members with their voices too.
i hope kyujin can support G3s too her G3s sound quite nice to me when i first heard her qualifying cover i thought her G3s had some support but multiple person said it's relaxed so ig it's just relaxed but i don't think it's far from support if she puts efforts into it also it's nice to know she can produce head voice i always thought that backstage clip was a falsetto but after hearing her singing at that wedding ig both of the times she used head voice
Being an idol is side hustle for nmixx they are actually wedding singers for jype staff that's there maim job lol Kidding aside I think it's good that jype takes care of their staff too I feel that staff and managers that work for entertainment industry are not appreciated as they should besides nmixx can showcase their vocals at these events as well
What i want to see in 4th gen singers is them doing grits, intentional rasp or growling. Idk if its just me being a obsessed fan of beyonce or lady gaga, but im just a suck3r for singers doing those kind of techniques in singing. And that is why Winter is one of my fave singers on 4th gen, I hope she hones it more and explore more of doing it those in her singing!
@@paledangels It'd be funny if she actually reads Onehallyu 😂. But i guess she's aware of her skills like her weaknesses and strength. I bet she watch most of her performances to evaluate her vocal.
@@mixxtopia4930 i didn’t how to phrase it so i put capable *lead vocalists* as i feel lead vocals should have atleast a shallow sense of support; ie bae/lia/jiwoo but even then jiwoo is quite a bit more developed than lia
@@mixxtopia4930 hehe, im guessing what OP was trying to say was just that they were shocked how 7/7 members all have some sense of technical singing, not trying to say anything about how all the members are "capable" singers in relation to the termonologies we use in our ranking system.
Lmao I love how OP and Himi are releasing new content on the same day. I thought a fixed supported range has been declared for Yunjin seeing Yunjin in the title and thumbnail since she’s the only member in Le Sserrafim with an actual solid grasp of support and the strongest vocalist by and so far out of all HYBE original groups (if we don’t consider GFriend lol), but that F#5 was pretty good (operatic and full) from her though lol.
hope she realizes this because a more belty sound ofc sounds more impressive but here she lightened her mix a bit and it’s much easier and healthy sounding
her chestier approach seems to work up until like C5 and sometimes C#5 but above that she should definitely always lighten her mix or else it’s just very shouty and unsupported
I feel like that goes for almost every vocalist, going for headier mix minimizes strains and can sometimes makes support attempt easier. Have you noticed most if not all weak vocalists are light and heady when they attempt to support
I just saw the community tab again and khujin is a low average 👀 I can see sullyoon climbing up to low average as well
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ihih 👀 just in case anyone is questioning i find kyujin to be more consistent w/ the less-nasal rather than the stuck approach and it’s relatively clean. the B4s were nice as well, i wouldn’t doubt she will have some consistency up there. as for karina i’d rather wait a bit more, i personally hear she going stuck easier relatively to kyujin but they are not far off each other.
@ I don't doubted Karina is also their on low average and sullyoon too but you are right it's better we underate them and be pleasantly surprised when they are better than overrate them and get disappointed later
@@kaushikidhupar2954 the thing for me is: karina is on the same level that lily was in kpop star. she has support, but she sings kinda instinctively. she has times that she sounds fuller and controlled at the studio, but live she goes messy.
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@@kaushikidhupar2954 this! also it’s not that relevant in which tier they are, people take it way too serious imo lol the diferencies between a higher and lower vocalist in successive tiers is very slightly, let alone between the HIGHEST and LOWEST (ka and kyu) as they are atm
@ I'm also surprise as how she actually doesn't sound as stuck as karina now that I'm listening back to it again, but Idk if I would agree with placing her in average tbh.
Monday has supported phrased D5s in this cover ua-cam.com/video/ORSYWtP0bbw/v-deo.html First 2 choruses: Bogosipeosseo saranghaetton geuttae neowa ne gyote geutigo na nal neol baraman bwado NUN (D5) mul nage Last chorus: Na neoge cham gomawottago bokcha haengbokkaetago sarangeul gareucho JUN (D5) nun niga cham
@@Sylvaincks Purple Kiss, Lightsum, and idle all having sub vocalists on par or better than their mains 😭 companies need to get it together. Goeun is so discredited as a main vocalist as well as the best singer on pd48
@ I still think IU sounds better developed than Kyujin btw, she has fuller phrasing on G#4-Bb4, Kyujin can still get a bit shallow and unrefined.
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@@bigmamafan1773 to be fair i’d hear to IU quite a bit but almost never in live, i’m not particularly interested in solo live perfomances lol i can say choa had both better and worst moments though, overall kyujin’s approach is more consistent. it’s only an estimation anyways, believe me i won’t hesitate nerfing her back to WA lol
Not related to GG's, but since YEOUN will be releasing the 4th gen BG ranking soon, my own thoughts about ONEUS, my ult 4th gen BG: 1) Seoho (Low-Mid (or even Low) Average/Standard/C) Estimated Supported Range: E3/F3 - F4/F#4 [Best: D3 - F#4] Seoho is the strongest vocalist of ONEUS no doubt about it with the only member having full-enough sense of support even if it's not really that great or "full" full per se (it's not shallow, but it doesn't really have the fullness either lol). His lower register is under-explored and even lacks consistency, thus underdeveloped; he can support down to D3 at best (his "Epiphany" cover and the ONEUS CNBlue cover), but then he flops a E3 the next or lacks consistency on his E3's ("Epiphany" cover and "Luna"); his lower register even lacks fullness (and can be too soft as well) as well due to his stylistic choices (his "fullest" was his "Epiphany" cover). Due to the lack of material in his lower range and how under explored it is, I'll give him E3/F3 for lower range for now; his mixed register is his most used register and not surprisingly, his most developed; he sings with a light mix which minimizes strain above his supported range and allows him to sing higher without any problem (which is why he is in charge of the higher range in their songs) but at the same time, he tends to sing too lightly and thus mixed range lacks chest presence/coordination and fullness (I mean he can have his "full" moments when he wants to, but still lacks chest presence/coordination); can support up to F4/F#4 in mixed voice but tightness can occur in mixed voice and gets worse as he gets above supported range; nasality is present throughout (but not as glaring as Keonhee's). 2) Keonhee (Low-Mid Weak-Average/Substandard-Standard/D+) Estimated Supported Range: E3/F3 - E4/F4 At first, I thought he could be fringe average/standard, but as I looked more in-depth in more material, he's more shallow and even more frequently pretty shallow than I initially thought (he's pretty shallow a good amount or even most of the time lmao)...yea, placing Keonhee was quite a journey from fringe A to mid-high W-A to now low-mid W-A (because even Miyeon sounds stronger than he does tbh lol); he sounds around Rose-ish level. His nasality is the most glaring issue and a primary reason why his support isn't "solid" or "full" yet and thus, shallow lol. However, he can have his fuller moments in his own covers (eg Weekly Idol episode with ATEEZ), but yea in ONEUS songs, he is pretty shallow lmao. Based on what I've heard from his covers, he can support down to E3/F3 with sufficiency in chest voice; below that he gets muffled. He can support up to E4/F4 in his mix though his mix is shallow in support ofc and tightness can be found there as well which like Seoho's, gets worse as he gets above supported range. Hm I think Moonbyul, with more materials, has a chance to edge him out even by a slight tbh. 3) Leedo (Underdeveloped/E) Estimated Supported Range: N/A Like all the "claimed" baritones (V, Jaehyun, Sungjae, Seungyoon, Seungmin, Felix, etc.) we all know in KPOP and the rest of his group, Leedo is a tenor (most likely a lower tenor). He does support occassionally though it's quite shallow and weak and very inconsistent (there are times when he does sound like a low D though, and I don't mind if he turns out to be a very low D instead since he and Keonhee don't sound way too far apart lmao), and he's just relaxed most of the time. He doesn't sound as nasal as Seoho or Keonhee even if he's way weaker lol. Like Seoho (but way weaker), he sings way too lightly with lack of true chest development. Airiness/breathiness is a very glaring issue for Leedo which is why he is quite shallow usually (lack of vocal closure/connection). He also has intonation/tuning issues due to his airiness/breathiness. Throat placement can also happen as well iirc. 4) Xion, Ravn, Hwanwoong (Non-vocalists/F) The bottom 3 are interchangeable more or less since none of them have the basics of true technical singing down. They all have various glaring issues, even in their mid-range, that prevents them from being in par with Leedo above them. In my personal ranking, I decided to place Xion above the two since he sounds more relaxed and open/less closed/tight compared to the two below and has shown attempts of chest engagement (it was tense, pushed, and undeveloped, but it can be heard, so A for effort ig lol) in a most recent cover even though he has glaring issues with pitch/intonation (his pitch is quite floppy lol) and lack of confidence (as admitted); Ravn also sounds more relaxed than Hwanwoong as well iirc (he seems to have the best pitch/intonation out of the three based on what I heard so far lol); Hwanwoong gets placed above these two quite frequently due to more singing material ig but I decided to put him below due to his glaring issues with nasality (placement), tightness, tension, and even occasional pitch/intonation issues...he doesn't sound as open and relaxed as either Xion or Ravn from what I heard so far lol. If there is anyone also familiar with ONEUS and disagrees with some part of my analysis, please let me know lol. I mean, I'm still learning after all so not like I'm a true expert or anything lol. ***EDIT: there was a comment some time ago during their "Bring It On" comeback who said that Seoho sounded fuller in their comeback, and while I agree that he doesn't sound as "light" as usual (and he can sound "full" when he wants to), the reason for this is not because of more chest engagement or better chest coordination, but rather because he defaults to a tight throat to produce a "fuller" and "powerful" sound since he doesn't have the chest engagement/coordination to produce this proper type of sound yet; in all of their live performances of "Bring It On" and any live performances when he has to sing in the higher range of their songs, he sounds tight throughout but the strain is not that noticeable because of his light mix. ***EDIT 2: so yes, Seoho’s biggest issue in terms of technique is his underdeveloped/weak chest (TA) engagement/coordination which is why his lower range is underdeveloped and even inconsistent overall and why he has to default to a tight throat for a powerful and fuller sound due to his light mix. Keonhee’s biggest issue is his nasality/projection through the nose (due to not lifting his soft palette), and Leedo’s biggest issue is his breathiness/airiness. ***EDIT 3: after listening to their covers again, I take back Keonhee having stronger chest (TA) engagement/coordination. Also, Seoho can have decent lows when he wants; otherwise, it's pretty inconsistent due to a mix of stylistic choices and underdeveloped chest (TA) engagement/coordination though the weak chest (TA) engagement applies more to his mix.
may I know why u moved giselle is right below jinni? is it that the person who was above her is inconsistent w their approach or has she improved recently??
no, but it indicates relaxation in some degree. you can still have nice and natural vibrato even if you’re straining the note but also have some forced/problematic vibrato even with a supported note
here are some examples: ua-cam.com/video/ia2SuYRTs2I/v-deo.html supported but she sounded like a goat after she added the vibrato @ 1:11 ua-cam.com/video/240AsNv9Ors/v-deo.html ofc lady gaga here @ 2:53 resonating with vibrato (my queen!) ua-cam.com/video/0T3zMe1dcbY/v-deo.html not supported but there’s vibrato
@@mixxtopia4930 I agree, I saw that santa tell me cover and I wonder if the notes were supported. Ive some comments that the E5 was supported I'm not really sure
@@d.n.n2267 that’s nice for giselle. she’s showing fuller sound in her midrange and there’s not much issues in her sound tbh so she’ll easily climb up if we see more materials for her karina sounds nice but i like the one she did in coachella better
ua-cam.com/video/yH9v20RCz_w/v-deo.html I wanna ask about this headvoice of Ningning. She didn't seem to be serious attempting singing that but I hope some sense of support could be there
Oot, but how could you paste the link that directly to the certain time. I mean like when I click the link, it directly move to the exact time when ningning hit the hv(not at the first time)
so far kyujin is more consistent with her approach which is relatively cleaner than w-a tier people but jinni has shown she can produce much fuller sounding notes than kyujin in her mama cover but after debut she sounds quite light and nasal but there's bearly any materials on her if she can consistently sing like her mama cover she will definitely be above kyujin
F+ (non-vocalist). By the way, tier system w/ letters like A,B,C,D... etc. are unnecessarily detailed for me. It's not like there are big gaps between the idols within the weak tier, they all are more or less interchangeable. Only higher weaks are closer to W-A, but that's all.
Eunkwang- C3 ~ A4 ~ D5/Eb5 Changsub- D3 ~ F#4/G4 Sungjae- Bb2 ~ F4/F#4 Hyungsik- (don't know about his lows but he has something around F4/F#4 in mixed).
@@eternalregard Yeah, I was also quite surprised about Hyungsik, I though he's like weak or weak to average at best. Cube's male groups vocal line or just the main vocalist are good from what I know, in comparison to their females.
@@inyochayacha548 i dont think Yujin was ever 3rd but Bahiyyih Youngeun and Mashiro were considered as the best vocalists after Chaehyun because they could stay relaxed in a certain range and they were closer to support.
@@Sylvaincks but... U said that Dayeon is able to support so she is the best after Chaehyun and Youngeun so how Mashiro and Bahi are considered the best??
@@bigmamafan1773 ohhh okayyy. I have another question(I hope this won't be a bother😅) but is the Bb4 of this video(at 0:43) can be considered as Hyunjin's best attempt? ua-cam.com/video/pQgrb0gU_LQ/v-deo.html
@@mixxtopia4930 i wouldn’t say ning is consistent with her head voice at all yet. sometimes she supports it and has her good moments but sometimes she uses a falsetto instead so
people are now obsessed with aespa sub vocals vs nmixx sub/lead(?) vocals lmfao.....i honestly don't think it's fair to compare karina's studio vocals to nmixx's live ones (giselle barely has anything so i won't be talking about her) those 3 nmixx girls didn't sing within their support range in the 2 song they have as far as i remember jinni didn't even sing at all so there's not much studio vocals to compare with karina's and in live singing karina and those 3 all can get messy, shallow and just overall very not averagelike BUT still so far i will give karina a upper hand over them unless i get more full supported moments from jinni preferably live ones, don't have much hopes from sullyoon even tho she's my fav w-a vocalist she still got a long way to go, kyujin would be a interesting one tho since she's still very young i think she'll have the best lows in the group at least
@@Brybeery yes i have mentioned that at the end about sullyoon has to go a long way she's still relatively quiet shallow compared to higher w-a's but about the studio singing aren't all of her lines in their 2 songs in the 5th octave? that's out of her support range so i don't think there's anything to compare to karina's studio vocals(within het support range)
idk but karina can get shallow if she fully supported in next CB she will be Average but idk about nmixx their too much hype them agree about lily and heawon their have pretty voice and wides range but the others member cmon their still weak vocalist idk but sullyoon can get nasal and shallow (same time massy) kyujin low its okey but her mix still hard control, jinny idk in mama cover she good buts lipsync (studio ver) + JYP cover too much auto tune hedeheh idk about jiwoo and bae but except Lily and heawon. BTW Karina still better idk why she cannot consistent actually she have a great Vibrato, Riff and Runs good like average but sadly she can gets shallow
@@Brybeery ngl sullyoon is kind of overhyped maybe it's due to her not being that stuck and tight in the 5th octave compared to other w-a's that people think she's quite strong but she can get quite messy in her support range even around A4 and her lows aren't impressive like kyujin's, i still love her voice tone though, it sounds like a fairy singing
How was karina’s run here? Granted it’s studio version but we’ve never heard this from her before ua-cam.com/users/shortsBgM4dXDtXG4?feature=share
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not bad but overall i find karina’s voice straightforward heavy most of times for this kind of quirk, someway it reminds me of nayeon when she attempts running
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Lol I expected Lily to produce resonance at first, but Haewon sounds closer to have resonance in the 4th octave than her. This group has so much potential though, their vocals are trained very well.
Dude, that "Hero" of Kyujin in head voice was soooo pretty
@@chewieqtpie really? I think it was head voice because it doesn't sound thin and airy
@@chewieqtpie Nah, a falsetto would be a LOT airier and thinner than what Kyujin did. Arguable of it's quality, it's definitely an attempt at a head voice.
@@chewieqtpie yuhhh, hoping she continues to work on it though. Kyujin, Bae and Jiwoo all showed nice attempts at a head voice with "oo" vowels already.
@@zhejiwooinkwangya where did Bae? I know jiwoo’s is from me myself and I
@@thek-nerd3143 One off moments from Vlive and their 100-Day video special where she would sing the post chorus of Sprinkle Party
Kyujin is really an ace at her young age. How a 15 years old girlie can do like this? Dance and vocal, she has all
She’s an all rounder not an ace
@@vvenuskook4170 dumb aespa biased
she’s 16 now
No because the mics were so much clearer at the Dream Concert (fuck them for turning Haewon's volume down during her Superhero line tho, sister looked pissed af), I was so shocked to hear how full and stable all of NMIXX sounded. Bae revealed that the group practices by singing/doing vocal exercises while running and it's so clear that its working because all of them have SUPERB stamina and breath control while dancing.
the mics were clearer AND the girls were projecting lol
nmixx are live performers, i fear nobody is coming close in the 4th gen
@ my phone vibrating everytime jinni said "like a tank ima" with her husky ass voice omgg😭😭
Haewon is really up there. Main vocalist material second to lily in nmixx obviously, putting haewon in their group in nmixx is already superior, adding lily is such an overkill. Kyujin on the other hand has no doubt a legit singer at a young age, kyujin supports properly and for sure in the future could make a wider upper range after seeing that falsetto on Haewon’s line.
they're not main vocalist "material", they ARE main vocalists not as in that's their position but they r truly a good vocalist LOL if you get what I mean
@@paledangels yes i get it. I just wanted to use a safe word because other fandoms might get triggered again and attack nmixx all of a sudden
I wonder how Yunjin will utilize her clean opera-esque head voice into pop. I hope she'll still keep that full sound that she has when she does opera.
Kyujin really shows a lot potential, her lows really surprised me, she's now consistent with G#3s. Anyways nice video as always.
Ever since Kyujin showed full support in her A3's, I speculated that she'd have a much stronger sense of support going up to A4. Her head voice attempts so far have been really nice too. And personally I find her tone so satisfying. Like it's so smooth and pleasant to listen to. So excited for her growth because she's only 16 and she's already this good 😫🙏🏿
Haewon A4 sounded so good. I'm on repeat because of the quality and openness of that note. I am very hopeful that she will be able to resonate in the 4th octave. Just little more practice Haewon. You can now resonate!
Ikr, her voice is so open and forward in her mid range. There are some qualities of resonance present in her A4's but what hinders her most is her slight nasality.
@@zhejiwooinkwangya Just the very slight nasality. I think she is like wendy. there is slight nasality in her notes. But I'm really hopeful for her to completely resonate. I think Haewon shines more in her 4th octave, better than Lily than her 5th octave where lily shines better
@@rafaelm6181 I agreeeee, Haewon's fullness adds so much more texture in mid range notes while Lily more extensive support allows her to mix upper notes in a really healthy and balanced manner.
@@zhejiwooinkwangya True, which makes them a really great duo.
I must say that I missed haewon’s predebut vibrato sm! the “superhero” line attempt she went for at the music bank summer event was definitely her best one. I’ve been waiting for her to add the vibrato like she did within the studio version and now she has finally done it! I hope she continues to make better attempts with this approach since she sounds much fuller and rounder.
@@Brybeery I wouldn’t say vibrato is important but it’s a very nice asset to retain. I personally think it showcases the control you have over your voice. vibrato (a healthy vibrato to be specific) can also be a sign of open or resonant notes imo.
yess i loved it sm! it sounded almost resonant
im still mad that you could barely hear haewon's voice in the "let me be you superhero" line in the studio version bcuz of the odd mixing and post eq-ing
So proud of Kyujin moving up to the lower average rank 👏🏼 With her constant improvements, she’ll only continue to climb further up from here!
She's back in w-a again sadly 😭
@@jaehyunsshoe9124 bcoz?
@@jaehyunsshoe9124 why
@Czennen when u realized it all of nmixx member except bae can be main vocalist in itzy lol 💀
@@jaehyunsshoe9124 she tends to get shallow. She needs to keep that full diaphram engagement.
omgg my bias Kyujin reaching low A!! she literally said goodbye to the 4 who is in W-A😭
i mean 3, Bae needs a little more to go to reach W-A
Sulljinwoo seeing kyujin gettin back to the w-a tier : " welcome back hun😁😁😁 "
@@davidakbar4876 😭
she’ll get back up there soon for sure!
@@gxm9763 even though bae's technique is problematic I like her singing sm lmao she sings like shakira sometimes
2:39 woah- that's her best attempt in head voice so far. It sounds better than most of her head voice moments imo.
1:18 i think it's the best A4 we have from her
Nmixx is a true gold mine of talent huh, I'm putting my money on Kyujin. How is she so young and yet so talented? She and all of the girls have a very very bright future
I knew that A4 at 2:04 was really close to resonance! the problem is her slight nasality that I wish she overcomes soon. Also, the D5 from her cover at the wedding kinda surprised me since both her and lily wore masks.
Little storytime: I was wondering why Haewon went for a lighter approach on the D5 in strawberry moon (cuz I've never listened to it LMAFOSOFA) and I guess she was trying to mimic IU's sound cuz *WOW* IU sang that song so soft and dreamy.
One thing with haewon is she is definitely knowledgeable she knows what approach would suit her the song the best and bends her voice and vocal technique accordingly . That's why you will always see me being so hopeful for her improvement only a person who knows their weakness can rectify it and be better in future and knowing so many ways to approach a note can definitely mean which is the best way for her to get better praying she still takes those vocal lessons a talent like her lily must not go to waste
@@kaushikidhupar2954 Yeahh, I'm actually really confident Nmixx are really taking care of their voice. It's pretty obvious they know how to take care and try to present stronger vocals. And if thats a stretch, its defintiely true that Lily and Haewon are really knowledgable about their voice's condition and health and they would definitely be helping the other members with their voices too.
Nmixx is crazy man, so fucking good.
Wow Kyujin low register is better than I thought.
Finally Monday show off her head voice, it sounds so niceeeee and I think it's supported
Nmixx is like "when you're main dancer and main vocal at the same time"
i hope kyujin can support G3s too her G3s sound quite nice to me when i first heard her qualifying cover i thought her G3s had some support but multiple person said it's relaxed so ig it's just relaxed but i don't think it's far from support if she puts efforts into it also it's nice to know she can produce head voice i always thought that backstage clip was a falsetto but after hearing her singing at that wedding ig both of the times she used head voice
God damn Kyujin sounding so good here!!
Kyujin be having an identity crisis right now 🤣😭
I don't pay attention to NMixx other than Haewon and Lily but I really like those clips of Kyujin!
Being an idol is side hustle for nmixx they are actually wedding singers for jype staff that's there maim job lol
Kidding aside I think it's good that jype takes care of their staff too I feel that staff and managers that work for entertainment industry are not appreciated as they should besides nmixx can showcase their vocals at these events as well
Thank's for the video :D, I'm surprise about that Haewon's D5. And for Yujin random F#5 baksjs
thank you for watching! ^^
1:37 ayo this clip came out not too long ago! you're really efficient!
i usually take the whole week gathering content to edit only by the weekend so i was still on the editing when it came out ahah
thanks!!
What i want to see in 4th gen singers is them doing grits, intentional rasp or growling. Idk if its just me being a obsessed fan of beyonce or lady gaga, but im just a suck3r for singers doing those kind of techniques in singing. And that is why Winter is one of my fave singers on 4th gen, I hope she hones it more and explore more of doing it those in her singing!
Oh Queen Bey!!! She aint playin with em growling!
ohh I know someone else! their name is Kim Minjeong
ua-cam.com/video/uVF_IBI9Fvs/v-deo.html at 2:36
1:17 obsessed with Kyujins A4 here WOW
Nmixx has just debuted but already created a big vocal skills distance with other group.
2:27 WHAT?! the openness 😍 even SM is shaking rn
Ok, so now I'm getting excited for NMIXX first comeback. Haewon already moved up in the ranking and now I'm waiting for the others.
@@kaushikidhupar2954 Are you saying haewon reads the post in onehallyu LOL?
Hopefully
@@paledangels It'd be funny if she actually reads Onehallyu 😂. But i guess she's aware of her skills like her weaknesses and strength. I bet she watch most of her performances to evaluate her vocal.
@@akukuayam9019 Mhm, but I doubt she would even know OneHallyu thread exists LMAO.
@@paledangels lmao haewon intensive egosearch
thank you all who joined the live streaming
What is Yunjin support?
@@RICK-jj2op speculated to be around Bb3~Bb4/B4 + some head voice
Oh where do you usually do live streaming? On the channel? I missed it ;<
Edit: nvm im stupid, i just noticed you premiered this video 💀💀
@@zhejiwooinkwangya oh lmao
hopefully i’ll do more of those so we can chat a bit before the premiere!! beware of the next week update please! :D
i just don’t know how they could release 7 very well capable lead vocalists in nmixx but only one in itzy
@@mixxtopia4930 i didn’t how to phrase it so i put capable *lead vocalists* as i feel lead vocals should have atleast a shallow sense of support; ie bae/lia/jiwoo but even then jiwoo is quite a bit more developed than lia
@@nakoiz4851 I get you, but I guess a capable lead vocalist would be someone higher, at least a high average level vocalist.
Agreed. Idk what happened lol
yejin and sunmin could have been a great line up for vocals in itzy(or atleast a better vocal line) but sadly they left so they had no choice lol.
@@mixxtopia4930 hehe, im guessing what OP was trying to say was just that they were shocked how 7/7 members all have some sense of technical singing, not trying to say anything about how all the members are "capable" singers in relation to the termonologies we use in our ranking system.
I was surprised when I saw you put Haewon's video that just came out yesterday and today.
Good job editing the video👍
manifesting Haewon gonna be same tier with Lily soon! 🙏🏻
arent they the same tier though? Lily is High AA/Fringe AA-P and haewon is low AA
they are in the same tier, both are AA
@@days3164 oh wait, what are their consistent?
@@vity9534consistent support range? Lily has [G#3]/A3-D5/Eb5-F#5/G5, and haewon has G#3/A3-C#5-Eb5
@@days3164 I don't think to Don consider her To get D5/Eb5 She still sometimes Lost support on her D5 and that's why its too early To give her D5/Eb5
Monday has so much potential
haewon has made me a fan of NMIXX all on her own!
I know everyone in the group is super talented, hoping they get better music next comeback!!!
Haewon seriously is great 😍
Haewon is so amazing
Lmao I love how OP and Himi are releasing new content on the same day.
I thought a fixed supported range has been declared for Yunjin seeing Yunjin in the title and thumbnail since she’s the only member in Le Sserrafim with an actual solid grasp of support and the strongest vocalist by and so far out of all HYBE original groups (if we don’t consider GFriend lol), but that F#5 was pretty good (operatic and full) from her though lol.
oh my name is mentioned 😳
@@himi_ Lmao you’re famous. 😂
Omg i'm so proud with monday. She support her head voice and it's really rare among 4th gen main vocal
Whoaa kyujin already support G#3. Another good sub vocalist after karina
wait kyujin is in the Average tier now?? why so?? proud of her
2:25 seems like it’s much easier for Haewon to support her higher mixed notes when she’s going for a headier mix instead of a pushy beltier sound
hope she realizes this because a more belty sound ofc sounds more impressive but here she lightened her mix a bit and it’s much easier and healthy sounding
her chestier approach seems to work up until like C5 and sometimes C#5 but above that she should definitely always lighten her mix or else it’s just very shouty and unsupported
I think shes just blending?
@@divaqueening1940 what do you mean by that?
I feel like that goes for almost every vocalist, going for headier mix minimizes strains and can sometimes makes support attempt easier. Have you noticed most if not all weak vocalists are light and heady when they attempt to support
That A4 😭😭 just a bit more practice and better attempts would do wonders
I just saw the community tab again and khujin is a low average 👀 I can see sullyoon climbing up to low average as well
ihih 👀
just in case anyone is questioning i find kyujin to be more consistent w/ the less-nasal rather than the stuck approach and it’s relatively clean. the B4s were nice as well, i wouldn’t doubt she will have some consistency up there. as for karina i’d rather wait a bit more, i personally hear she going stuck easier relatively to kyujin but they are not far off each other.
@ I don't doubted Karina is also their on low average and sullyoon too but you are right it's better we underate them and be pleasantly surprised when they are better than overrate them and get disappointed later
@@kaushikidhupar2954 the thing for me is: karina is on the same level that lily was in kpop star. she has support, but she sings kinda instinctively. she has times that she sounds fuller and controlled at the studio, but live she goes messy.
@@kaushikidhupar2954 this!
also it’s not that relevant in which tier they are, people take it way too serious imo lol
the diferencies between a higher and lower vocalist in successive tiers is very slightly, let alone between the HIGHEST and LOWEST (ka and kyu) as they are atm
@ I'm also surprise as how she actually doesn't sound as stuck as karina now that I'm listening back to it again, but Idk if I would agree with placing her in average tbh.
Monday has supported phrased D5s in this cover
ua-cam.com/video/ORSYWtP0bbw/v-deo.html
First 2 choruses:
Bogosipeosseo saranghaetton geuttae neowa ne gyote geutigo na nal neol baraman bwado NUN (D5) mul nage
Last chorus:
Na neoge cham gomawottago bokcha haengbokkaetago sarangeul gareucho JUN (D5) nun niga cham
Kyujin has that beautiful vocal even she's a rapper and still young age
Not 4th gen, but MAMAMOO IS COMING BACK SOON! 😭😭😭
Yujin is close to be my fave singer in kpop💅
2:04
Wow Chaein in W-A tier? I really didn’t expect that. I wonder if Jieun has any support too 🤔
Sootzubae said that she might be stronger than Swan too, but she's still shallow.
@@Sylvaincks Purple Kiss, Lightsum, and idle all having sub vocalists on par or better than their mains 😭 companies need to get it together. Goeun is so discredited as a main vocalist as well as the best singer on pd48
Of course Yunjin connect head voice because her opera career.
omg been waiting for this video!!
And Kyujin is back in W-A
let’s pretend she was never on the A please lmao 🥲
@ why did you bring her back in w-a?
@@jaehyunsshoe9124 some more knowledgeable peers corrected me regarding her level, there’s still stronger WAs and lower As than her unfortunately
@ who's the highest W-A and lowest A btw?
@@jaehyunsshoe9124 jeongyeon and iu respectively imo
Any update Jinni, sullyoon or Bae?
ua-cam.com/video/Te0uEMgqSGk/v-deo.html starting 2:53
That A#4-B4-E5-D#5-C#5-B4-F#4 run were all supported I believe.
My personal opinion Kyujin and Sullyoon are low A
@@Hatshe175 agree
@@Hatshe175 Hyojung lowest average? are you sure
@@Hatshe175 Idk but she doesn't sound weaker than chaewon and chaehyun who r estimated to be low to mid average
no
@@paledangels their still shallow and messy for average now karina and Giselle more improvement to be Average than them
Is haewon has a possibilty to be her supported range is G#3-C#5/D5-Eb5/E5? Or her G#3 and C#5 still has major issues?
i still find her C#5-D5 to be very slightly inconsistent (in quality and support respectively) but it’s not too far off, let’s see with more materials
@ I kinda agree, I think her quality in that range is kinda messy. how about her G#3
@ so her mix would be B4/C5?
@@vvenuskook4170 No, her C5 is good already. it is just between C#5-D5 where starts to be kinda messy
@@vvenuskook4170 nah, C5/C#5 is already safe for her
Kpop vocal ranking UA-cam streets 😭 are saying Suhyeon and Sua of Billlie are low average? Can anyone confirm?
They're at least W-A. I'm not sure too
I don't think so
is lily gonna be included in the weekly update??
lily had a whole video for herself!
but she will if she shows anything new
Wow Haewon moved up in community tab 😳. Can I ask what made you put her above Yechan??
just overall stronger C5~D5 range
@ Thanks! What part of AA would she be now? Mid?
This hv attempt of Hyunjin was better than before, right ? or is it just me ?
i actually agree it’s somewhat better than she’ve done before
@ I still think IU sounds better developed than Kyujin btw, she has fuller phrasing on G#4-Bb4, Kyujin can still get a bit shallow and unrefined.
@@bigmamafan1773 to be fair i’d hear to IU quite a bit but almost never in live, i’m not particularly interested in solo live perfomances lol
i can say choa had both better and worst moments though, overall kyujin’s approach is more consistent. it’s only an estimation anyways, believe me i won’t hesitate nerfing her back to WA lol
Not related to GG's, but since YEOUN will be releasing the 4th gen BG ranking soon, my own thoughts about ONEUS, my ult 4th gen BG:
1) Seoho (Low-Mid (or even Low) Average/Standard/C)
Estimated Supported Range: E3/F3 - F4/F#4 [Best: D3 - F#4]
Seoho is the strongest vocalist of ONEUS no doubt about it with the only member having full-enough sense of support even if it's not really that great or "full" full per se (it's not shallow, but it doesn't really have the fullness either lol). His lower register is under-explored and even lacks consistency, thus underdeveloped; he can support down to D3 at best (his "Epiphany" cover and the ONEUS CNBlue cover), but then he flops a E3 the next or lacks consistency on his E3's ("Epiphany" cover and "Luna"); his lower register even lacks fullness (and can be too soft as well) as well due to his stylistic choices (his "fullest" was his "Epiphany" cover). Due to the lack of material in his lower range and how under explored it is, I'll give him E3/F3 for lower range for now; his mixed register is his most used register and not surprisingly, his most developed; he sings with a light mix which minimizes strain above his supported range and allows him to sing higher without any problem (which is why he is in charge of the higher range in their songs) but at the same time, he tends to sing too lightly and thus mixed range lacks chest presence/coordination and fullness (I mean he can have his "full" moments when he wants to, but still lacks chest presence/coordination); can support up to F4/F#4 in mixed voice but tightness can occur in mixed voice and gets worse as he gets above supported range; nasality is present throughout (but not as glaring as Keonhee's).
2) Keonhee (Low-Mid Weak-Average/Substandard-Standard/D+)
Estimated Supported Range: E3/F3 - E4/F4
At first, I thought he could be fringe average/standard, but as I looked more in-depth in more material, he's more shallow and even more frequently pretty shallow than I initially thought (he's pretty shallow a good amount or even most of the time lmao)...yea, placing Keonhee was quite a journey from fringe A to mid-high W-A to now low-mid W-A (because even Miyeon sounds stronger than he does tbh lol); he sounds around Rose-ish level. His nasality is the most glaring issue and a primary reason why his support isn't "solid" or "full" yet and thus, shallow lol. However, he can have his fuller moments in his own covers (eg Weekly Idol episode with ATEEZ), but yea in ONEUS songs, he is pretty shallow lmao. Based on what I've heard from his covers, he can support down to E3/F3 with sufficiency in chest voice; below that he gets muffled. He can support up to E4/F4 in his mix though his mix is shallow in support ofc and tightness can be found there as well which like Seoho's, gets worse as he gets above supported range. Hm I think Moonbyul, with more materials, has a chance to edge him out even by a slight tbh.
3) Leedo (Underdeveloped/E)
Estimated Supported Range: N/A
Like all the "claimed" baritones (V, Jaehyun, Sungjae, Seungyoon, Seungmin, Felix, etc.) we all know in KPOP and the rest of his group, Leedo is a tenor (most likely a lower tenor). He does support occassionally though it's quite shallow and weak and very inconsistent (there are times when he does sound like a low D though, and I don't mind if he turns out to be a very low D instead since he and Keonhee don't sound way too far apart lmao), and he's just relaxed most of the time. He doesn't sound as nasal as Seoho or Keonhee even if he's way weaker lol. Like Seoho (but way weaker), he sings way too lightly with lack of true chest development. Airiness/breathiness is a very glaring issue for Leedo which is why he is quite shallow usually (lack of vocal closure/connection). He also has intonation/tuning issues due to his airiness/breathiness. Throat placement can also happen as well iirc.
4) Xion, Ravn, Hwanwoong (Non-vocalists/F)
The bottom 3 are interchangeable more or less since none of them have the basics of true technical singing down. They all have various glaring issues, even in their mid-range, that prevents them from being in par with Leedo above them. In my personal ranking, I decided to place Xion above the two since he sounds more relaxed and open/less closed/tight compared to the two below and has shown attempts of chest engagement (it was tense, pushed, and undeveloped, but it can be heard, so A for effort ig lol) in a most recent cover even though he has glaring issues with pitch/intonation (his pitch is quite floppy lol) and lack of confidence (as admitted); Ravn also sounds more relaxed than Hwanwoong as well iirc (he seems to have the best pitch/intonation out of the three based on what I heard so far lol); Hwanwoong gets placed above these two quite frequently due to more singing material ig but I decided to put him below due to his glaring issues with nasality (placement), tightness, tension, and even occasional pitch/intonation issues...he doesn't sound as open and relaxed as either Xion or Ravn from what I heard so far lol.
If there is anyone also familiar with ONEUS and disagrees with some part of my analysis, please let me know lol. I mean, I'm still learning after all so not like I'm a true expert or anything lol.
***EDIT: there was a comment some time ago during their "Bring It On" comeback who said that Seoho sounded fuller in their comeback, and while I agree that he doesn't sound as "light" as usual (and he can sound "full" when he wants to), the reason for this is not because of more chest engagement or better chest coordination, but rather because he defaults to a tight throat to produce a "fuller" and "powerful" sound since he doesn't have the chest engagement/coordination to produce this proper type of sound yet; in all of their live performances of "Bring It On" and any live performances when he has to sing in the higher range of their songs, he sounds tight throughout but the strain is not that noticeable because of his light mix.
***EDIT 2: so yes, Seoho’s biggest issue in terms of technique is his underdeveloped/weak chest (TA) engagement/coordination which is why his lower range is underdeveloped and even inconsistent overall and why he has to default to a tight throat for a powerful and fuller sound due to his light mix. Keonhee’s biggest issue is his nasality/projection through the nose (due to not lifting his soft palette), and Leedo’s biggest issue is his breathiness/airiness.
***EDIT 3: after listening to their covers again, I take back Keonhee having stronger chest (TA) engagement/coordination. Also, Seoho can have decent lows when he wants; otherwise, it's pretty inconsistent due to a mix of stylistic choices and underdeveloped chest (TA) engagement/coordination though the weak chest (TA) engagement applies more to his mix.
Would seoho be above jongho or below him? I'm not familiar with him at all but I'm trying to get into ONEUS
@@paledangels Seoho is below Jongho. iirc, Jongho is mid-average.
@@paledangels Oooh you're getting into ONEUS? Yasss they're so cool (with Keonhee climbing up to be one of my ults lol). 😭😭😭
may I know why u moved giselle is right below jinni? is it that the person who was above her is inconsistent w their approach or has she improved recently??
improved, she now has G#3/A3-A4(Bb4) and Is mid to High WA
@@days3164 oh she really jumped up there. I hope that she continues to improve.
@@days3164 not really improved more like showcasing us more of her true level
@@cutiieeepatootieee2002 yeah i meant to say that but i didnt know how
i'm curious, does vibrato indicate support? also, i didn't know haewon is this good wtf
no, but it indicates relaxation in some degree. you can still have nice and natural vibrato even if you’re straining the note but also have some forced/problematic vibrato even with a supported note
here are some examples:
ua-cam.com/video/ia2SuYRTs2I/v-deo.html supported but she sounded like a goat after she added the vibrato @ 1:11
ua-cam.com/video/240AsNv9Ors/v-deo.html ofc lady gaga here @ 2:53 resonating with vibrato (my queen!)
ua-cam.com/video/0T3zMe1dcbY/v-deo.html not supported but there’s vibrato
@@cutiieeepatootieee2002 thank you for this, i'm still learning about these vocal technicalities. very nice of you to explain nicely💖
How about chanty from lapillus? I heard she has support I'm not sure
@@mixxtopia4930 Oh I see thanks
@@ChonkyAsh :]
@@mixxtopia4930 how is her support if she support ??
@@mixxtopia4930 we need more material from her already hit ya is a bop and chanty is my bias also
@@mixxtopia4930 I agree, I saw that santa tell me cover and I wonder if the notes were supported. Ive some comments that the E5 was supported I'm not really sure
Monday head voice supported???
yes it is
d5-f5 good sup , g5 not bad
@@lairann3754 can you tell me the performance name plzz
@@Forever_2424 Sonata of Temptation, it's during the bridge part
@@lairann3754 thanks a lot i was searching that from so many days i was searching like oooooo Monday performance
aespa New Songs "Life's too Short" any improvement from Giselle and Karina runs very different?
giselle is not that shallow enough to be kept at weak tier like miyeon before
@@cutiieeepatootieee2002 Community tab Sootzubae Giselle Now in Mid~W-A? she can go higher? what a about karina runs?
@@cutiieeepatootieee2002 what a bout this from Giselle
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@@d.n.n2267 that’s nice for giselle. she’s showing fuller sound in her midrange and there’s not much issues in her sound tbh so she’ll easily climb up if we see more materials for her
karina sounds nice but i like the one she did in coachella better
@@cutiieeepatootieee2002 I don't think she was ever in the weak tier, she was always lower part of W-A to me atleast before ppl put her higher in tier
what is mondays supported range and tier
G#3 to B4/C5
Is Lily AA-P or AA ? I thought she was in aa tier.
Shes high AA or The lowest AA-P
With me personally: Low AA-P
Fringe AA-P/High AA
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I wanna ask about this headvoice of Ningning. She didn't seem to be serious attempting singing that but I hope some sense of support could be there
Oot, but how could you paste the link that directly to the certain time. I mean like when I click the link, it directly move to the exact time when ningning hit the hv(not at the first time)
@@breats4703 right click on the youtube video screen then choose copy video url at current time
@@SgtThidar thanks
Not worth analysing. Shes just casually playing around
Hi, totally unrelated but does anyone know if there are any Stray Kids member that can do support? And what are their supported range? Thanks.
Seungmin is average
@@thek-nerd3143 hes literally weak?? he barely supports anyways
@@days3164 so, none? I was kinda expecting Chan to have a support.
@@days3164 somebody said he was average
@@thek-nerd3143 no way hes average, maybe they thought about woojin because hes an average, but seungmin is weak
Kyujin already better than jinni?
till now yeah
She’s more consistent
so far kyujin is more consistent with her approach which is relatively cleaner than w-a tier people but jinni has shown she can produce much fuller sounding notes than kyujin in her mama cover but after debut she sounds quite light and nasal but there's bearly any materials on her if she can consistently sing like her mama cover she will definitely be above kyujin
@@nai4624 Indeed it looks like they keep pushing Jinni as a rapper, whereas Jiwoo and Bae for the stylistic set up.
@@shirogane6085 thats suck..should have they pushed bae and jiwoo for rap..and kyujin, jinni for lead vocalist position
Off topic but I have a question, would you rank minnie an F+/E-?
F+ (non-vocalist).
By the way, tier system w/ letters like A,B,C,D... etc. are unnecessarily detailed for me. It's not like there are big gaps between the idols within the weak tier, they all are more or less interchangeable. Only higher weaks are closer to W-A, but that's all.
May i ask what is Yunjin's estimated supported range?
@Baylon Nikko thank you!
@Baylon Nikko she's high A?
Haewon D5 was supported?
yes but that head voice
@ and i think that A4 from her mixtape is resonant?
@@sanatmanhare5912 No, it was just well projected. Her sound still had some nasality.
#Ask BTOB member Support range?
Eunkwang- C3 ~ A4 ~ D5/Eb5
Changsub- D3 ~ F#4/G4
Sungjae- Bb2 ~ F4/F#4
Hyungsik- (don't know about his lows but he has something around F4/F#4 in mixed).
@@wushyringg thanks 🙏👍👍
@@wushyringg wow, BtoB are quite strong 😮 I mean, it a known fact but I wasn't expecting four developed vocalists unlike EXO with only three
@@eternalregard Yeah, I was also quite surprised about Hyungsik, I though he's like weak or weak to average at best. Cube's male groups vocal line or just the main vocalist are good from what I know, in comparison to their females.
@@eternalregard well EXO’s still wayyy better overall combined despite only 3 of them..(i mean the fact that they also produce resonance)🤷🏻♂️😂
2:31 name plzz song name
Can someone tell me if there is someone in Kep1er that support besides Chaehyun?? If yes, then what are their support and their tiers
I heard Dayeon and Youngeun can support, they're probably low weak or even lower.
@@Sylvaincks So why I see many singers ranking Dayeon 6th while Yujin 3rd and Mashiro 4th?? 💀 Yujin and Mashiro don't support right??
@@inyochayacha548 i dont think Yujin was ever 3rd but Bahiyyih Youngeun and Mashiro were considered as the best vocalists after Chaehyun because they could stay relaxed in a certain range and they were closer to support.
@@Sylvaincks but... U said that Dayeon is able to support so she is the best after Chaehyun and Youngeun so how Mashiro and Bahi are considered the best??
@@inyochayacha548 because some people dont believe Dayeon and Youngeun are able to support
Giselle or rose who's better?
we need more materials from giselle but giselle>rosé imo.
Giselle from what I'm hearing
Oohh thank u so much guyss🤗
@@Seulgi_bff no tho, I think Nayeon on the higher side
@@eternalregard so Giselle would be at least Mid W-A ?
can i ask who's better chaehyun or yuri
yuri
@Baylon Nikko does yuri supports C5
@Baylon Nikko oh i see but some ppl says chaehyun consistently supports C5 is that true?
is it too risky to give karina G#3 already or we should just keep A3 for her?
I think so, she's only had one G#3 so far
@@paledangels hmmm maybe yeah but their will be CB maybe we can see karina show her lows notes in life too short buts idk
@@paledangels she has already supported almost, if not, all G#3s that she sang tho
@@jaehyunsshoe9124 so, can we giver her G#3/A3 for consistency or keep it A3
are those their supported notes?
yes, if the note shown in the video is transparent then its not supported.
@@days3164 thanks!
Hi I have a question, is Wendy now consistent with D5s and some of her Eb5s esp during Like Water era?
She is considered with D5 and have occasional Eb5s yes.
@@bigmamafan1773 So is her mix now D5/Eb5?or is it still C#5/D5?
@@sseonwoo6983 I would give D5 (Eb5) AT MOST, (and she still got her regular issues so don't think its a notable shift or something).
@@bigmamafan1773 ohhh okayyy. I have another question(I hope this won't be a bother😅) but is the Bb4 of this video(at 0:43) can be considered as Hyunjin's best attempt?
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Who is better Ningning or Haewon?
And can you give me they supported range?
@Baylon Nikko Ningning probably has Eb5 in HV, so G3 ~ C5/C#5 ~ Eb5. G#3/A3 ~ C5/C#5 ~ Eb5 for Haewon.
Haewon by a noticeable margin.
Haewon better
@@mixxtopia4930 i wouldn’t say ning is consistent with her head voice at all yet. sometimes she supports it and has her good moments but sometimes she uses a falsetto instead so
@Baylon Nikko Ningning has Eb5/E5 in HV, haewon has Eb5
What's Bae supported range??
she’s able to bring it up to a4 iirc
A3/B3- G4/G#4 i think
Can i ask seventeen members supported range and their tiers?
Seungkwan Eb3/E3 ~ G#4/A4 High AA
DK D3/Eb3 ~ F#4/G4 High A or Low A-AA
The leads are in weak tier.
@@wushyringg thankyou so much!! I dont know who are the leads vocal you referred to, but is it woozi or hoshi? Or is it joshua?
@@caryn3503 The 3 of them except Jeonghan from what I've heard (could be wrong).
@@wushyringg ohh, and i heard kyuhyun is SM best vocalist, do you know what is his tier?
@@caryn3503 He's in Good to Great.
Yunjin is the best
This is kinda unrelated with girlgroup. Is felix and haruto are baritone?
I'm pretty sure felix is a tenor
I dont think its good to discuss vocal types as both are underdeveloped.
Felix is a tenor
Hi sootzubae! I know this isn’t kpop related but I was wondering if you know what Madison beers supported range is? Is she good technically?
I think Ally Kelly did quite a lot of videos about her, you might find what you're looking for on their channel.
She's really good, maybe one of the best in the new generation of western pop vocalists I think
@Czennen AA-P? She's more high AA, her mixed overall still lacks fullness and strong coordination.
@@paledangels do you know her supported range?
@Czennen wait what? Are you serious 😐?
How do you think the rocket punch members' vocals ???
Someone said Suyun has shallow support but i am not sure because i barely hear any engangement from her
Can someone tell me nmixx all members support range
(ALL ESTIMATED)
Lily: A3 ~ D5 ~ G5
Haewon: G#3/A3 ~ C5/C#5 ~ Eb5
Kyujin: A3 ~ A4/Bb4
Jinni: A3/Bb3 ~ A4/Bb4
Sullyoon: A3/Bb3 ~ A4/Bb4
Jiwoo: Bb3/B3 ~ G#4/A4
Bae: maybe Bb3/B3 ~ G4/G#4
Lily: [G#3]/A3-D5/Eb5-F#5/G5 High AA/Fringe AA-P (B-/B)
Haewon: G#3/A3-C#5-Eb5 Low AA (B-)
Kyujin: [G#3]/A3-A4/Bb4 High W-A/Fringe Average (D+/C-)
Sullyoon: A3/Bb3-Bb4 High W-A (D+)
Jinni: A3/Bb3-A4/Bb4 High W-A (D+)
Jiwoo: Bb3-G#4/A4 Low W-A (D-)
Bae: N/A or B3-G4/G#4 Low Weak (E/E+)
@@mixxtopia4930 i would give Lily already D5/Eb5 shes pretty safe with it
@@mixxtopia4930 thanks
@@days3164 thanks
people are now obsessed with aespa sub vocals vs nmixx sub/lead(?) vocals lmfao.....i honestly don't think it's fair to compare karina's studio vocals to nmixx's live ones (giselle barely has anything so i won't be talking about her) those 3 nmixx girls didn't sing within their support range in the 2 song they have as far as i remember jinni didn't even sing at all so there's not much studio vocals to compare with karina's and in live singing karina and those 3 all can get messy, shallow and just overall very not averagelike BUT still so far i will give karina a upper hand over them unless i get more full supported moments from jinni preferably live ones, don't have much hopes from sullyoon even tho she's my fav w-a vocalist she still got a long way to go, kyujin would be a interesting one tho since she's still very young i think she'll have the best lows in the group at least
@@Brybeery yes i have mentioned that at the end about sullyoon has to go a long way she's still relatively quiet shallow compared to higher w-a's but about the studio singing aren't all of her lines in their 2 songs in the 5th octave? that's out of her support range so i don't think there's anything to compare to karina's studio vocals(within het support range)
idk but karina can get shallow if she fully supported in next CB she will be Average but idk about nmixx their too much hype them agree about lily and heawon their have pretty voice and wides range but the others member cmon their still weak vocalist idk but sullyoon can get nasal and shallow (same time massy) kyujin low its okey but her mix still hard control, jinny idk in mama cover she good buts lipsync (studio ver) + JYP cover too much auto tune hedeheh idk about jiwoo and bae but except Lily and heawon.
BTW Karina still better idk why she cannot consistent actually she have a great Vibrato, Riff and Runs good like average but sadly she can gets shallow
@@Brybeery ngl sullyoon is kind of overhyped maybe it's due to her not being that stuck and tight in the 5th octave compared to other w-a's that people think she's quite strong but she can get quite messy in her support range even around A4 and her lows aren't impressive like kyujin's, i still love her voice tone though, it sounds like a fairy singing
@@Seulgi_bff How so? Jinni has shown more messy coordination even below Bb4s than sullyoon, even Jiwoo has shown better support up there than jinni.
They're pretty alike development wise. They're all W-A with support up to A4/Bb4, so I don't think it's worthy to discuss.
What vocal tier is Kyujin? Does anybody know jiwoos?
kyujin is estimated to be a low average & jiwoo is a weak to average
Fo now kyujin still W-A
How was karina’s run here? Granted it’s studio version but we’ve never heard this from her before
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not bad but overall i find karina’s voice straightforward heavy most of times for this kind of quirk, someway it reminds me of nayeon when she attempts running
What are your thoughts on chanty's part of your world cover did she show some support here ua-cam.com/video/WAa9itWaXyw/v-deo.html
yeah i’d say there’s some support carried upto A4 ~ Bb4ish @1:27
@ so chanty can support in lapillus right does she can support head voice