I am not siding with anyone but I think you need to be aware of something. Anyone can sue anyone for any reason. Filing something in court does not mean you have any evidence or proof whatsoever. It means you want someone to either stop doing something or you want money for something they did or are doing. Thats all. A lawsuit is not proof of guilt at all. Plenty of lawsuits get thrown out every day. Defamation is very hard to prove, especially because we have something called free speech and you have the right to have a shitty opinion. You have the right to be an idiot too. You can call people names and they can sue you for it but often it will get anti-SLAP'd down. Anti-SLAP is a law that basically prevents people from suing you to silence your speech. Anti-Slap allows you to use the 1st Amendment as a defense to people trying to silence things they didnt like. It essentially shuts the lawsuit down and forces the plaintiff to pay the defendents attorney fees. Now, I havent watched his video so its possible he crossed some line but usually...it is very hard to prove defamation especially because you have to prove knowledge that it was false, malicious disregard for the truth and most importantly, because Radke is a public person and there is a much higher bar to defamation you have to prove that there was some sort of harm to him or his brand that can be quantified financially. I think Radke has a very high bar here and ultimately wants to shut him up. It may not work. Edited for typos*
10:50 I think he should just get offline, why isn't he spending more time on his music and touring, things he enjoys instead of fighting music critics, conspiracy theories, other musicians, he's creates his own drama half the time with the rubbish he speaks
@@nobodyimportant7804 except civility goes hand-in-hand with a high-trust society ; as soon as you lose one, you lose the other. what you've said here sounds like cope from someone who doesn't like being held accountable for talking unnecessary sh!t.
@@Double_J_48629 No, it is just mockery about children thinking a punch to the face is justified over words. Quoting a thug and scumbag like Tyson is not a good look. What did Tyson do to get a 6-year prison sentence? Why did he have his name removed from Punch Out!? Tyson and civility are two words that don't go together.
@@spellindenaam only slapsuits are an actual thing. Or idk, you can still go through life with an 8th grade understanding of the world. Or you can do your own research as the cool kids say. I just gave you the term/topic to do your own research. But thanks for admitting you aren't able to do so.
@@slashismyhommie8182 Only words are an actual thing. Or I don't know, you can still go through life with an 8th grade understanding of the world and punctuation, or you can do your own research as the "cool" kids say. I just gave you the "insert word here" to do your own research. But thank you for admitting that you are not able to do so. My condolences to your family.
Yeah, it's sort of like a guy who can't play his instrument for shite making a living on judging others' music like he knows wtf he's talking about hahaha
@@777biggs this is an inaccurate equivalence. You're kind of proving my point by saying if you see a chopper down, someone fked up. A complete disregard of any natural phenomenon or mechanical malfunction thats not based on human fallacy or mistakes. Basically, if you can't fly-stfu.
@@veenoir1991Sure... Over 20 years own Bands... One of the most famoust Bands around since 6 years. Writes the songs by himself und so on... And u think u can judge him? What are ur references internetbattleboy?
I think the issue is that Ronnie is chronically online. The man needs to get rid of socials and realize that he still sells out venues, he just never shuts the hell up about amorphous internet bullshit. Im probably wrong but that's just how i read it.
my issue is that it feeds into itself, everytime some random content creator makes a mean video on the guy it gets massive clicks, then it gets an angry response from Radke which only makes the video get more attention and causes more "omg this guy is villainous look at these texts" videos to pop up, causing Radke to give out more angry responses. so yeah, i agree the guy needs to get off of socials, let legal department and personal managers handle it, it'd stop easely over half of the people farming clicks from him.
And yet a man has a right to defend himself from a public figure trying to sway the public to hate on lies or unfounded un verified information. People who lie with malice should be silenced. At the end of the day you have a right to lie with malice, but you aren't free from the consequences as long as its not the government dishing out the consequences.
honestly its kinda his shtick but not really cause hes defending himself and its just his persona but also its honeslty made him big as ever so its kind of a win win meta he has on his hands
You can't really be a musician in 2024 without social media. Like it or not, Ronnie Radke is a product of how music is in 2024. And even if his music isn't for me, Ronnie is a master of getting attention in the social media age.
Pro tip: Do the research. Read books written by other people who have NOT BEEN SUED and then press what you have LEARNED about the person into a piece of media you can then legally monetize WITHOUT BEING SUED. People do it literally all the time... Behind the Bastards is like my favorite podcast right now and they do nothing but call people literal bastards.
Sounds dumb as shit. Just don’t imply people are S.O.’s or accuse them of things that aren’t true and that have been disproven in the court of law and things will be fine! 👍
Anyone can sue for anything they feel like in America. Winning is another matter, but frequently the lawsuit itself is the punishment. If I have more money than you and want to drag you through court I can do that, whether I have a valid argument or not. But yes, if you do your research and make a good faith effort to present accurate information then you greatly reduce your chance of getting sued.
@@wallywest2360 SLAPP suits you mean. Hopefully they have not done their research and sue you in a state that has an anti-SLAPP law on the books and the suit can be thrown out immediately.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is another good reason of why we follow Tank. I like so much to see how much integrity is still a thing in our current times...
If Ronnie is so tired of dealing with haters, then he shouldn't CONSTANTLY address them and act like some badass for calling them out. If he stayed silent and ignored people who don't like him, they'd all eventually get bored and move on. I don't feel sorry for him because he's brought this upon himself 100%
But how would be retain his fame? It certainly isn't his talent for writing music! I've seen countless morons say they listen to his music simply because of how he "always speaks the truth."
He could also stop being a dick to everyone online even when they aren't spreading lies or hating on him. Saw him call a minor "fatherless" once because she said she liked older FIR songs more than newer ones 💀
I dont know the guy either, but Luke's drum tech posts super long format videos on entire days on tour which show at great length all the different people that work in that camp and they all seem to genuinely enjoy being there and seeing each other. I've never heard anyone who knows him personally say anything but good things about him.
Burden of proof is significantly higher in the case of libel against public figures. It’s not just saying untrue stuff, you have to be able to prove “actual malice,” meaning you have to be able to prove the person deliberately lied to hurt you. Not an expert, but seems like it might be a difficult case to prove.
Actual malice or "reckless disregard for the truth." If the fact that the allegations he referred to had already been concluded in Ronnie's favor, that is easy to find online, and I would think that qualifies as a reckless disregard for the truth. Trust me, I hate both of these assholes, but Ronnie seems to have a case.
@@evanrodarte4290 Ronnie has to prove actual damage, even if he can show someone was outright lying about him. This is true of any lawsuit, the entire basis for the action is damage done to a plaintiff. I sincerely doubt that he can prove that a single youtube video damaged his career when he's never been more popular than he is right now.
In Fantano's case, the malice is the EASIEST element to prove. The alleged fiction element is the 2nd easiest. Damages are the hardest to prove, but it doesn't mean he shouldn't sue. Doesn't matter how much or little he may win in a suit, so long as the life-wrecking material is forcibly removed.
I am an attorney and your assessment of the law is off base. He has a solid case against Fantano. Actually, it's pretty cut and dry. Fantano is going to live with a judgment over his head. Fantano has been playing with fire and was asked, warned, and now he can enjoy the consequences.
I dont like Ronnie at all but would never personally attack him for it. I can understand why he sues people that attack him and blatantly lie. This shit is not acceptable.
So question. *Why* do you not like him. I ask because you give no reason, but im assuming its because of something you saw or read, but you followed that statement up with understanding why he would sue or defend himself because of lies. I've been down the rabbit hole for years, thats all Ronnie as ever done is stand up for himself.
@mpls1982 calling someone names or claiming yourself better than someone else is not defamation. Saying someone is a child predator with no proof, or a sexual predator in general, that is. These things and thr effect they can have on both people's lives and careers are massively different. Ronnie shit talks. That's it.
I’ve done extensive content on Ronnie, and all he did was follow me back and start a respectful conversation with me. Because I didn’t lie about him or slander him. 😂
I'm torn on this subject. I totally agree that content creators (who often view themselves as 21st century journalists - sometimes rightfully so) at the same time should be held accountable for their content to the standards of journalism (research, balance etc.) However, Ronnie himself has no filter of what he puts out on social media. He makes trans- and homophobic, racist and fatphobic slurs, insults people on a regular basis and still expects people to be respectful towards him. In German we say "wie man in den Wald hereinruft, so schallt es heraus". Imho, if he was kinder on social media, he would not receive as much backlash. 🤷♀
Respect and flat out lying and defaming him and basically calling him a sexual predator are too different things. He makes jokes about people who make jokes about him. What fantano did is not this. People calling him a dick and talentless is not the same thing as calling him an abuser/etc.
Ronnie attackiert Leute niemals ohne Grund. Er antwortet Menschen die ihn zuerst angreifen. Immer! Diese Leute beleidigen ihn und beschuldigen ihn der schlimmsten Dinge aber wenn er reagiert dann ist er auf einmal der böse. Dann sollen sie ihn doch in Ruhe lassen wenn sie mit der Reaktion nicht klarkommen. Und du hast den Punkt eigentlich genau getroffen: wie man in den Wald hineinruft so schallt es heraus nur eben das es andersrum ist und die Leute zuerst in den Wald reinrufen oder was glaubst du warume er auf TikToks reagieren kann? diese tiktoks existieren zuerst!!!!!!
@austinlarrimore6542 These are both solid takes imo, but in the end I agree with you. Ronnie might be a dick, and we can say that. But this other stuff is not only unfair to him, but legitimate victims of DV and SA who don't speak out because of the type of environment this BS creates.
@@alarrim29574 Literally anyone can call you a sexual predator Its still not defamation unless you can prove they knowingly are lying about you. Even if you have court cases saying you're innocent that doesn't mean the person can't say the court case was bullshit and they got it wrong you are a pedo. Ontop of this Ronnie Radke is a public figure and Fantano is generally viewed as a critic. That makes it even harder to prove what Fantano says is defamation.
Maybe I've missed something, but I looked up the court documents for Ronnie Radke's defamation lawsuit against Kacee Boswell, and everything I found seems to show it ended in a judgement by default before the trial even started? Which would absolutely NOT be the same thing as a judge ruling in favor of Ronnie or definitive evidence the accusations were false. All it would mean is the defendant (Kacee Boswell) didn't respond to the suit in a timely manner, which can happen for a lot of reasons, not just because of (alleged) lying: lack of resources / money for lawyers and court costs, mental illness, addiction issues, fear, a private agreement, etc. I also tried to research the (alleged) DNA evidence, and so far all I can find are Ronnie's claims on social media but no outside corroboration? Again, if I've missed anything, I would hugely appreciate being directed to that information.
You mix up cases! Kacee boswell accused Ronnie of r*pe and was caught lying big time. There was no charges and there was no case at all! He even sued her for defamation and won! The DV is about his ex girlfriend. They had a fight about him cheating and she accused him of violence which she couldn't back up. The DV was dismissed and he had a plea deal for disturbing the peace. By the way, Kacee Boswell named her own daughter after Ronnie's daughter Willow. That woman is mentally ill!
No, you're correct and Tank is wrong. He bankrupted the victim by dragging out the case and lied about the DNA test. Whether anyone wants to believe is up to them. But this is Fantano's basis for calling Radke a variety of things. And it's quite easy to make the mental connection that a litigious, rich drug addict, who instigated a murder, with zero ability to control his own mouth and who threatens to beat up children online would also SA a woman. Radke also calls other artists pedos, like Andy Cizek, which Tank doesn't seem to mention is just as defamatory.
@@THEFUTUREMARINE2016 the court papers are online! There were no charges because the girl tangled herself in lies that could easily proven wrong like accusing someone of Rape who was at the stage at the very same time! There were also a dozen people on that bus who all witnessed that nothing had happened! He sued that girl for defamation and won! The very same girl named her daughter later after Ronnie’s daughter Willow! And he did not instigate a murder, he was present at a fight were someone was shot and killed in self Defence! Ronnie was charged with having brass knuckles on him! You people who spread the most horrible lies about him are the reason he fights back online! He has every right to defend himself!
Thank you for pointing this out. Definitely changed my opinion on this video. I also don’t like that tank never brings up the hateful remarks Ronnie has made towards many individuals (often transphobic, racist, etc.) which are all easy to find and verify. But ofc he will talk about people he knows who had a good time on tour with FIR.
@@Mandingy24 Someone hasnt been around the Star Wars fanbase enough to make that statement. Courtesy, both a Ronnie fan and massive Star Wars fan. Things get way outta line on the other side of the galaxy.
@Bushviper I feel like while they may be just as toxic, they aren't as wide spread. It's generally accepted that the Star Wars Fandom is one of the most toxic Fandom on the planet. Which is an unfortunate title to have, I wish it wasn't so.
15:35 In a world of ridiculously lazy clickbait, I certainly appreciate people like you Tank who spend the time and effort to go the extra mile on research or just say flat out you don't know too much about something. The honesty is key.
I'm not familiar with Ronnie's "legal" cases. But as far as lawsuits and counter suits goes. Just because things were dropped doesn't mean they are true or false. This country's law system benefits those that have money. Ronnie sounds like he has engaged in what is colloquially referred as "slap suits" where a larger person or group files a bunch of motions against smaller people and entities to the point where financially the smaller person or group has no other choice but to submit or drop any civil charges to just make the allegations go away. John Oliver did a whole episode on slapsuits and it was eye opening for me, I suggest anyone thinking Ronnie's right blindly maybe considering learning about slapsuits, including Tank here. Because I think without that understanding it is easy to be mislead on situations involving lawsuits in this country. So ya, anyone who claims those with money and are aggressive against smaller groups, education on how not equitable the courts in this country are, especially in lawsuits, it might make you double think someone like Ronnie's many stories and claims.
@@dfhellraiser4tdget your facts straight. That “plea deal” was for an entirely different case. Do your research because it’s obvious you did not by your comment. Do better.
@NicoleLewis-MK3 except these facts are verifiable and very easy to find. I'd love to link you but UA-cam doesn't allow links. Ronnie made a plea deal so he wouldn't go back to prison. He had to complete 52 court ordered domestic assault classes. The case number is 2GN02026.
He has no actual grounds to sue for defamation. For one, he would have to prove that the accusations Fantano made damaged his image. Ronnie Radke has been hated since I was in high school. I’m 32, almost 33. Two, he would have to demonstrate damages. Have any of his shows been cancelled as a result of Fantano’s actions? Does Fantano know that what he is saying is a lie? Can it be proven? This is the standard of evidence for a normal, non-public figure. It’s even higher for public figures, of which Ronnie Radke is. Ronnie Radke knows all of this and is using the legal system as a means to bully. This is what most First Amendment attorneys would say, and this will most likely settle out of court.
The fact that Fantano deleted his tweets looks VERY bad for Fantano. And everything you said is true. However, Ronnie knows this. This is about pressure after Fantano refused to take down the defamatory videos. Also, Fantano made money from the defamatory subject leaving the video up.
Yes, Fantano knows what he was saying was a lie and untrue. He would have had to dig deep into the web to pull those articles without coming across clear reports that he was acquitted
we can understand why ronnie acts the way he does sometimes but that doesn't necessarily excuse it. Also feel like it might have been a good idea to watch fantano's video rather than just the rock feed one if we're trying to see all sides
Yeah, this is basically what Tank said. That being said, however, if I were a famous person and someone with a huge platform like Fantano publicly accused me of a committing an actual crime and then refused to retract that statement, I'd do whatever I legally could to shut that person's mouth for good. I can't blame Radke for reacting like this. Having a negative opinion is OK. Using your huge platform as an influencer to spread lies isn't.
@@Tigermaster1986 Here's the problem with that. Doing that is literally doing the Streisand effect. I had no idea Ronnie had any accusations against him until he bitched and whined about Fantano's video.
@@Deminese2 I see where you're coming from, but I don't agree at all. 1. Let's be real for a second, Antony Fantano is probably more famous than Radke. Seriously. You can't have the Streisand effect when the media is more famous than the person trying to suppress it. 2. Barbra Streisand was trying to sue a photographer over a legally taken photo of her home. The Streisand effect was, to a huge extent, that the lawsuit drew attention to her house and the problems it was causing. Radke is suing Fantano for defaming him. There is a huge difference between the two.
I don’t agree with a lot of what Ronnie says.. but spending time in his twitch stream he’s always been a total sweetheart to a lot people when didn’t have to be. He’s been gracious and kind to those less fortunate than him. He’s given people money and contributed to peoples go fund me for everything from cancer treatments to funerals. He’s bought setups for people wanting to do youtube fulltime. IMO he has a good heart. 🤷🏻♀️
Almost all the hate he gets is for things he did 10 plus years ago. As someone who is older than Ronnie, and more than likely you yourself, I can tell you that we are all vastly different individuals than we were 10 years prior. From what I've seen I've seen, Ronnie has grown considerably as a perso,n especially after he left prison, and has tried to be a decent person going forward. Maybe that has something to do with having a daughter too.
@hanyougod or hear me out. Perhaps it's his current day behavior that causes the ire. He's like that meme of Eric Andre shooting his boy in the chair and saying "who could have done this?" Except it's Ronnie and his behavior. And says, "how come they don't like me"
The Ronnie glazing is insane. The man is chronically online to the point where he even attacked me via Instagram because I said I think FiR makes trash music. Bloke went on a tirade at me, and I'm literally nobody. At what point do just accept basic critisism and that not everyone is going to like your music? Or do you just view everything as a personal attack like he seemingly does? I've don't give af about Ronnie to know anything about allegations being true or not, and I had zero personal experience with him or even really knew who he was in general as his music was never my cup o tea. But to come after anyone with the most basic of "I don't like the music" opinions? Now that I am aware of who he is since that weird experience, all I see from him is attacking people himself - more so than the nobodies who are supposedly tarnishing his name. I've no sympathy for bullies who feign victimhood. And that's what Ronnie does majority of the time just in general from what I've now been seeing. Call me bias, but the dude screams red flag.
This right here is why I dont like him or his music and won’t give it a chance ever. He can’t accept that not everyone is going to like him and his music and he literally turns into a middle school bully about it. And just like a middle school bully he plays the “I’m just kidding I wasn’t being serious” and people buy it every time.
Innuendo isn't actionable and it is a very suspect term to use in a legal filing. There could be legit complaints that a court can address but I won't be surprised if this is mostly lolsuit material. This filing - not legislation - is merely one side of the case. Never take a filing like this as the absolute truth. He did two and a half years in prison so not all of his many cases have resulted in vindication. All of the charges (and convictions) that he has picked up makes it odd that anyone gives him the time of day. If anyone does mention him, it should just be "red flag collection" and move on. That is not "actionable innuendo"
Did you watch the video? He literally insults his character because of false rumors and implies they are true. and yes you 100% can sue people for Inuendo. If a Big hollywood star insinuates that a director Raped him you bet 100% he is getting sued if the allegations are false.
@@DragonKnightX12 He did 2.5 years for violating the terms of a 5-year probation on a battery with substantial bodily harm conviction. That is not drugs. He also pleaded down a domestic violence arrest to a simple disturbing the peace where he pleaded no contest, which has most of the same effects of a guilty plea. That is not drugs. He was also arrested for assault at a show he and his shit band was playing and caught a ban from the venue. Again, not drugs. No one would care about a drug possession conviction. Like I said, a walking red flag collection.
@@alarrim29574 You might have a point except he also said "that doesn't mean he is a violent thug..." when the probation was because of a violent crime.
C'mon man, it's goofy as hell to pretend like Radke doesn't purposefully invite all the scrutiny and hate with incendiary and controversial comments and choices. He's never been "just minding his own business".
Oh yes, he should embrace being called a r*apist, mur*erer and ab*ser! How dare he defending himself against this proven wrong allegations. Dude really?
As someone who doesn't have much faith in our legal system, I don't think that being absolved in court is necessarily proof that someone did nothing wrong. Judges and juries can make mistakes. Plus, victims make SA accusations against famous people and then get threatened or bribed into silence all the time. I still think it's worth talking about those allegations, as long as you include all the relevant information.
Yeah, but there’s a big difference between saying, “I think he did it,” and, “he did it.” It’s not hard to take that little extra step to protect yourself legally, but some people just don’t get the memo.
What do you mean by "talking about those allegations"? It's not acceptable to perpetuate any kind of accusation on the internet. If somebody has some accusations, they can turn to law enforcement. The issue is the accusations don't have to be proven to damage somebody's name, however the accused isn't able to refute them. How would you prove something didn't happen? You can't. There have been too many false accusations made in last years. Accusations should be investigated, not perpetuated on the internet for eternity.
But in this case Ronnie got proven innocent via DNA testing, he went to a police station, they did the swabs on his and the Woman's areas and it was proven that there was no contact.
I have zero faith in the legal system but I have a lot of faith in DNA tests and the police swapped his entire tour bus where she said it happened and found nothing, that has nothing to do with the legal system persay, it didn't even get to a judge for that. Police dismissed the charges.
This is a dumb take because if somebody is proven innocent - via DNA testing, testimonies, trials, etc, then why should we keep mentioning it? Let's say you get accused of DV or SA by your ex-partner who's furious that you broke up with them, for valid reason, in a civilised way - you just don't want to be together anymore. It's proven that you're innocent and that vile person just wanted you to suffer. Should people around you always mention it? Should they always go "Ahh, this person is really nice, and I've been having fun with them but I'm hesitant about that bbq on the weekend because - you know - they were accused of SA 10 years ago.". It doesn't make sense.
As another comment said, Ronnie needs to get OFF OF SOCIAL MEDIA. He claims not to care and whatnot, but EVERYTHING he does points to the opposite. He is one of the most successful metal artists. He’s better off just ignoring all the idiots online who try to act all high and mighty (like Fantano and others).
Suing someone for making claims that were already public knowledge, regardless of the merit of the suit, will only result in the "Ronnie Radke sues content creators" type headlines that are why my friends who don't listen to any metal know who he is and clown on him regularly. He's turned a video that would have blown over in under a week into a media shit storm. I do not like Radke but even I can admit that Fantano was probably being intentionally misleading. However even if this ends up actually going to court, freedom of speech allowing you to share your opinions in a public forum will make it hell to actually resolve in his favor. Considering I can't find any evidence of him actually taking the woman who accused him of rape to court(despite all the attention he purposefully drew to that lawsuit), I highly doubt he has any intention of doing so here. He wants the spotlight, he wants to be seen fighting back. Once the media from this settles down the lawsuit will be quietly halted. See you all in two years when he sues another guy for attention I guess.
@TankTheTech while for the most part I agree with you've said, I don't think saying someone is right about something just because they won a lawsuit and/or had a case thrown out. The nature of most these suits are more than anything an emotional and financial nuke if you're just an average person. Like whether or not what's being debated about is true or not, the average person is not going to have the financial or emotional reserves to battle someone like Ronnie. Again, I'm not making the statement that I think anything or anyone was or wasn't right; just that person who wins lawsuit =/= person who is in the right.
That girl lied and it was proven! There was no case and no charges because she was caught that same night she made the allegations making stuff up. Ronnie sued her for defamation and won. What is questionable about this? Nothing! And Fantano knew damn well!
Correct. The written law doesn't always equal justice. In fact, it often doesn't. In the United States, especially. One may argue that it's running on a pay-to-win foundation.
@@sandi25_25 Yes, Fantano's legal error was doing so, but Fantano doing so is irrelevant to my point. The point was that just legally getting a case thrown out doesn't always mean it didn't happen. It just means a party succeeded in a legal effort to get a case dismissed. And it also means it was not able to be proven by the accused. IIRC, that case didn't even get to trial. Legally, that's presumed innocent - but as anyone knows - the system is exploitable and anyone intimidating and rich enough can easily pull this off, regardless of guilt or innocence. I'm not saying RR is guilty, either. I'm implying we (people uninvolved and were not witnesses) will never truly know one way or another. The only thing we _do_ know is he _legally_ succeeded in the case's dismissal.
I've been personally affected by someone I trusted who was close to me constantly backstabbing me to everyone they knew with full out lies for years (even if I didn't know the person they were lying to). I didn't know about any of it but at a couple of stages throughout the years I'd have complete strangers approach me in my home town and spit on me / hurl verbal abuse at me. I've been kicked out of restaurants and stores on the first visit even before I had a chance to say or do anything. I will absolutely say that the level of obsessive hatred and behaviour from one single person has changed the way that I think and behave even when I'm alone. I am certain that I couldn't handle what Ronnie has had to tolerate and I support his legal action in this regard 100%.
This is one of those play stupid games, win stupid prizes situations. Anthony is wrong for making false claims, but more often than not, things like this don’t happen to people if they’re not the absolute worst. Ronnie could just stop sucking this much, and people wouldn’t lie about him, I have no sympathy at all.
The amount of people that don’t understand the difference between opinions and/or insults, and defamatory statements is mind boggling considering how well tank explained himself.
Im gonna be honest, i have a friend in the FIR camp so i try to just stay out of anything related to radke. Being an insufferable asshole is how Radke stays relevant. Its a gimmick to get and keep attention so people continue to talk about him. I couldnt tell you the last time anyone talked about FIR music for just what it is, its always about what obnoxious shit and behavior Radke is doing today. People just need to ignore him. He wants and craves attention and reacting to shit he does is just giving him what he wants. EDIT: People seem to be completely missing what I'm saying. If your a FIR fan and love their music then fuck yeah, more power to you. I think Radke's public persona and antics overshadow his bands output and it's a problem that eventually will catch up with him. He's doing it on purpose because it gets attention on him, which in turn gets attention on his band, making them an afterthought to whatever dumbassery he's doing. It's an act, I know because I've met and worked with him on a show and he was the total opposite of how he comes across. It's eventually going to catch up with him in a bad way down the road and he's not going to be able to recover from it. It's not a sustainable way to function.
Hate more, loser. The reason he is relevant is because of the great music he and his band makes. The reason you care so much about his personal quirks, is because you're fucking weird.
It's honestly all an act. And yes, he does do it to cause issues for attention. I met him back stage a couple different times and he was genuine and sweet both times. It's a shame he feels he has to put on this act of an asshole to be relevant. His talent is more than enough.
Lol… No one talks about his music? Yet he’s selling more tickets than ever before? He’s as popular as ever. His music is doing more views than ever? Yeaaaaaa……
That angle now makes him sound a lot more like those youtube pranksters/"social experiment" guys who start shit with people on camera then backpedal like ITS JUST A PRANK
When you're always attacked that is the lense you read things through, and when the majority of what you see is only in text you have no context. So something one person writes as a fun supportive joke can easily be read as an attack because of the implied tone with everything else being an attack. I love what you said, paraphrased "I enjoy his music, I don't know him as a person" which is so true, and more people should be able to choose if they like the music or dislike it without commenting on the PERSONALITY OF SOMEONE THEY HAVE NOT MET AND LIKELY NEVER WILL. Sorry caps, just grump.
I used to somewhat know him back when he was early in Escape the Fate and I lived in Vegas, which is my hometown. I knew their guitarist Omar and drummer Robert, and I've seen how he acts. Plus I had friends in the music promotion scene who told me stories. So, I have my negative opinion on him, lol.
You know that Robert Ortiz and Ronnie are still friends, yes? You have an opinion on Ronnie that you formed almost twenty years ago based on stories others told you and where the guy you didn't like was heavily addicted? Wow!!!!!
I never said they weren't friends? I just meant I had friends who were in the local scene and I hung out with a few of the bandmates, and heard some shit from other people. I get it was a long ass time ago, but it's just similar behavior 🤷♂️
@@aspirationrecords Except his pattern of behavior wasn't only from '20 years ago.' Also, ANYONE who throws a mic stand into the crowd/audience can go f*** themselves, period 🤷♀️
18:44 At that point you have to say "Ah ok at least you meant it as this way. Maybe put in a David Lee Roth normally does this to make a performance perfectly" he shouldn't have blocked you over that.
Ronnie is verrrrry thin-skinned. A music critic, A Brad Taste in Music, has had his review of one of Radke's albums taken down by Ronnie and his label sooooo many times. Every time brad reiploads, it gets taken down a few months later, and the cycle continues. You also can't pretend that ronnie doesnt bring it on himself sometimes, he's an instigator. He says a lot of transphobic/homophobic/racist shit. I can see where a lot of this hate comes from. Ronnie says he doesnt care what people think about him, then spends forever on the internet listening to people's opinions about him🤷♀️😂 he should just get off the internet for a while
As we we know, the US court system is far from perfect in getting justice right. Just because he wasn't convicted and was able to counter sue doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. He just didn't get caught
There needs to be consequences for blatantly lying and spreading misinformation like what Fantano did. Ronnie is 100% in the right here. Ronnie had warned Fantano on multiple occasions and he didn't listen and kept spewing the same shit to millions of his fans and new viewers that wanted to learn about Ronnie. He has literally claimed Ronnie to be a r@p-st, abuser and even a murderer. That sh*t ain't cool man. You can criticize his music, hell even his character all you want but blatantly lying about him is not it bro. That is DEFAMATION. Especially if you have a huge following like Fantano does. He f**ked around, and now he is finding out.
@TankTheTech thanks for the quote, I chuckled cause its true. Anyway, what i wanted to ask: when can we expect a new VLOG? I just love love love to "look over your shoulder" while you're at work, basically.
Say what you want about his personal choices, but Ronnie understands the idea of defending your name and reputation. That idea is as old as time and often times was the only thing people had that meant anything. Reputation should be just as important now as it historically has been and he has every right to defend himself.
Damn, then maybe the dude shouldn't have been an accomplice in a murder, throw shit at fans in the crowd, tour with far right individuals, and cry about anyone online saying his music sucks.
@@seff6533 Ah... you're one of those. He wasn't an accomplice to murder or he would've gone to jail for it. Merely existing nearby does not make you an accomplice you dunce. Tour with far right individuals. I know you're talking about Alex Terrible. And i know it's because he made a gay joke. Which is pathetic of you in of itself. He already said he fucked up with throwing the mic stands and had apologized multiple times. The victim was completely fine with all of it and you're still fighting battles for someone who isn't even part of it. As for the last part, lot's of hypocrisy, considering you're here shedding more liquids than a menstrual cup.
@@seff6533 Sure. He definitely shouldn't make some of those choices (and idk what "far-right" even means so that's just BS). But that still doesn't give other people the right to slander him over something that not only hasn't been proven but was proven false through the DNA testing. Ronnie isn't suing anyone for making fun of him or calling him out on the mic stand throwing or his jail time. He is suing them over other false allegations. You are comparing apples to oranges.
Some content creators and online "influencers" using clickbait posts are no different than the decades old line that newspapers and network news have used. "IF it bleeds, it leads."
Rock feed is very biased. Great videos for non opinionated news like upcoming tours and festival. Once opinions are added into the mix, he very obviously picks a side and feeds drama. Ronnie is a mosquito to the damn rock/metal scene. He’s done and said a lot of dumb shit and is constantly doubling down on it. Don’t get me wrong, he’s allowed to have any opinion he wants about anything in this country. Personally, I just find most his opinions stupid.
Ronnie's PR is single handedly why I stopped listening to his music. He has a victim complex, and what was once just a small percentage of haters has now become much larger, almost entirely due to how he reacts to it. SO many famous artists get false accusations thrown at them and hateful remarks, but most handle it much more professionally. Being in the limelight can be harsh. The culture should change, but in this reality, he brings on a lot of it himself. Eggs it on. Sings about it even. It's not shocking, and we shouldn't encourage it.
Yea and look what just allegations have done to so many bands and musicians Look what happened to even bigger artist like Manson. You stay silent, and the public just assumes you're a guilty POS. You kind of gotta be aggressive. Yea so many famous people also don't take shit. You act like Ronnie is the only one. Corey Taylor? Chad Kroger? Gene Simmons? Sully Erna? Nikki Sixx? Metallica? The entire rap scene? Lol It's not a victim complex, he's built himself as the anti-woke guy that doesn't take people's shit. He's also quickly becoming a big player in the Rock scene.
my opinion is that this can go 2 ways it'll go Ronnie's way that is if he has any evidence to support his claims or it'll go Anthony's way and the lawsuit will get tossed out by the judge cause there was 0 evidence that his video was defamatory or bonus option is that they both agree to a settlement outside of court
I think it’ll end up getting thrown out. Suing someone for directly accusing you of assaulting them is one thing. A music critic talking about it is different, even if he is talking shit. In order for him to win a defamation suit against Fantano, he will have to provide evidence in court that Fantano’s shit talking directly resulted in loss of income, which is not easy to do. Also, Radke straight up saying on video that he’s being litigious and will sue people who talk shit could be enough to have the case thrown out, depending on their states anti-SLAPP laws. Plus, Fantano is likely very well off financially and I would assume he has journalism insurance. He’s got the resources to fight it. I don’t have an opinion on either of the two personally, but people who abuse the legal system to bully people are straight fucking trash.
Proving loss of income isn't necessary in a defamation claim, only that the claim is untrue. Fantano would have to prove it were true. Compensation gets more complicated, especially with public figures but it is risky. So Radke could win but be awarded $1 but then Fantano may end up having to pay both sides legal costs. Its one of those journalism things were real journalists are taught that if you want to make potentially defamatory claims, you better have your facts straight. Especially if the person you've defamed can and will sue. Journalist or any legal insurance probably also wouldn't cover costs, especially if the defamatory claims have already been tested in courts and Radke was cleared. The whole point of defamation litigation is to prevent people making malicious claims. SLAPP probably wouldn't apply because its an attempt to stop lies that have previously been shown to be lies repeated. People are entitled to opinions, but not facts or lies.
@@brolohalflemming7042 Fantano is a music critic. I'm sure there is an argument to be made that using his platform to slander an artist could cause financial damages 🤷♂️
Ronnie practices the tried and true "do as i say not as I do". Just lately he plastered some girls images on there projector cause they hurt his little feelings. He can freely talk shit about others but cant handle it when it's done to him. Its not everybody's fault that he has the skin of a cicada .
It just begs the question, why do people keep attacking him? Perhaps being a weapons-grade gobshite attracts critism? That Fantano bloke always appears to be have been a plum so ive never paid alot of attention to him, but if Radke is frustrated with how the internet behaves, throwing your toys out the pram at every opportunity is only going to fuel that. Sometimes you need to deal with things quietly, but I kind of think he enjoys the drama to an extent so it just seems they are as bad as eachother.
Someone who insinuates that someone is a sex offender without any proof and furthermore accuses someone who was found not guilty by law, should totally be sued. This can ruin a career, a family (Ronnies daughter and her friends might see this) and maybe a whole life. It also makes it harder for real victims to be believed, when there are false accusations everywhere. As a German I also don't believe that you should be allowed to insult people (it's actually illegal here), but I understand that it's legal in the US and you just have to deal with it. But that's different from false allegations.
It is illegal to insult people in Germany? WTF? When you say illegal, do you mean crime or civil tort? What is the legal definition of insult? Hopefully, it is precisely defined. LMFAO
@@nobodyimportant7804 Saying someone is a sex offender and trying to spread that online isn't an insult. Its a threat that can ruin a life. Its happened to people time and time again where someone claims SA, has no proof, and the person they threw the accusation at gets 15+ years of jail time. Its not the same as calling someone lame, its a genuine attack on someone's life/livelihood
@@jaredmislan5186I never said otherwise. Are you defaming me? My comment was solely directed towards an alleged law in Germany and not the person you are trying to white knight for.
@@nobodyimportant7804 the german laws about insults are insane and very vague and a problem. the quality of judges and lawmakers here is despictable. the solingen murderer used a 6 inch knife. which is illegal to have in public (except certain cases, murder is not a reason). so they decided to make 4.5 inch knifes also illegal in an upcoming law change. and that's why nobody takes them seriously anymore.
Believe it or not I actually know one of this dude's ex's, I won't say how, but every time one of these accusations came up she was never surprised. They dated something like 15 years ago, but still. Her literal words about the battery accusation and the rape accusation were "doesn't surprise me if he's using again". I don't know the guy, but boy he seems a real asshat. Starting drama is one thing, but the bullying on twitter is DEFINITELY real. I've seen it myself. The dude treats people like shit. Either way, fuck all this drama nonsense.
If this dude wants people to believe it when he says he's not a raging asshole, he should probably start not being a raging asshole to people lol Pick one dude. Are you a dickhead that spent time in prison for a fight where someone died that has rapes and abuses women or are you an asshole that bullies trans kids on twitter but also is a super nice guy? Pick one bro. It's a lot easier to believe people defending themselves when they seem like remotely decent people. And NO, giving money to a bigot that got fired for being a bigot is not being a nice fucking guy.
I mean, I get it. But doesn't ronnie have to prove loss or damages caused by what hes said? And i don't think it did. I think hes wasting his Time. And he should stop coming after people on the internet. It just looks mad. Everyone gets negative feedback. Just ignore it. And enjoy your fame and get on with it. Or use it to make music out of it.
Kind of weird you would upload anything without verifying it. Do people not know newspapers and media outlets get sued or have to post an apology for not verifying their work.
Hot take: people who falsely accuse people of crimes should go to jail and serve the time those crimes correspond to. Way to many peoples lives have been ruined because of trolls and there are barely no consequences
I love what Ronnie is doing because many times Ronnie is telling Fandago to stop spreading misinformation about him, but he proceeds to do it , so now he better think before he uploads another video with lies.
I can't agree with some of his opinions but I fully understand why the dude is tired of people bringing back shit from his past. It reminds me a little of when people interviewing RDJ bring up his past while he was doing press stuff for Marvel stuff. It's uncalled for and unnecessary.
Ok but here's the thing about RDJ - regardless of his past mistakes and legal troubles, I don't remember ever hearing him be accused of hurting people. He definitely hurt himself and negatively impacted people who cared about him, but there's a huge difference between having a history of drug abuse vs. history of committing sexual abuse. I don't think you can compare these situations.
I really appreciated your delivery of this video, re-addressing the misunderstanding with Ronnie and your self awareness after reflecting. He really gets shat on all day everyday and I personally am glad to see him defend himself against false allegations, no matter if it's hard to swallow at times. I believe I'd be angry as all hell in his shoes as well. Much love to you and your family.
20:28 I had a mentor many years ago say to me in regards to communication at work, especially when you're peeved about something: "Does this need to be said? Does it need to be said now? Could it be said later?" If the answer to any of those is NO, well there you go. If YES, then yeah - go for it. There have def been times where I've gone to fire off an angry email about a missed shipment or someone not doing their job or what have you - and yeah, sometimes you write it out and then delete the draft. but sometimes that shit does need to be sent.
This. There are hundreds of successful musicians in the scene that don't get attacked on a daily basis because, spoiler alert, they don't actively try to piss people off. He gets attacked every day because he's perpetually provoking his critics. Surely he can't be shocked by the backlash that causes
The people who attack him are bringing up things from like a decade+ ago. Nobody has anything relevant to say about him bc hes redeemed himself since those days and does nothing wrong now. The only things I see about modern ronnie are his beliefs and his social media posts. So basically, who cares? Just people who need to go touch grass themselves, ironically.
@@aspirationrecords He definitely hasn't redeemed himself lol. There's always news of him going on a bitch fit over nothing every year. He's the biggest drama queen of metalcore in existence.
Ronnie Radke definitely has a case and should not let this slide. He actually mentioned in a few tiktoks and comments how all that stuff drags you down mentally. Yes, being a public figure can attract negative attention, and Ronnie being polarising doesn't help. But there's a huge difference between negative attention and defamation, and people crossing that line should be kept accountable for that.
Bro Ronie Radke is actually a nice guy it's part of showing everyone "Hey I'm a normal human being just like y'all" like he has every right to stand up for himself. Them trolls need to leave the man alone.
15:10 What? What the actual f***?! "Oh I posted a video about how you allegedly r***** someone for clickbait. But I didn't really look into it or researched it. People should form their own opinion." Like what the actual f***?!
There was always something about RR that made me just know he was a douche, and could never put my finger on it. Glad to see my instincts are still sharp. His music sucks too.
Makes me think of that old satirical adage, "It's on the internet, so it's gotta be true!" Even with the AI providing the tools to fabricate evidence, it all gets noisier to anyone searching for truth...
Just imagine for a second… that you are an ex-con who has done nothing but try to move on from a stupid mistake you’ve made and learn from it, only to have muppets like Fantano continuously slander your name and try to paint you as something you’re not. I don’t know, but personally that would really piss me off and at certain point I would want to fight back. You can’t go around assaulting people so the next best option is to use the legal system to make them stfu. It seems more than reasonable to me.
I really appreciate this video and your objective and mature perspective. This is good journalism, not click-bait, not hateful, just straight up trying to understand both sides. And when you do that you realize that Ronnie is basically reacting to people being agressive. Even if he has, imho, a childish way of dealing with it, he's not wrong. Thank you for your quality content over the years man, I really appreciate genuine and kind people like you on the internet, very VERY rare these days. I hope I'll get to meet you on the road, if I'm lucky enough, so I can tell you how much I appreciate you while enjoying a beer.
@@Halyanth it's not click-bait, it's literally what's happening, Ronnie is suing stupid and lazy content creators. And the way he tackles and talks about the situation is the most respectful and objective I've seen on youtube.
I still don't quite understand why everybody hates Radke so much. While I enjoy his music, I also fully acknowledge that he's a pretty big idiot at times, which he even says himself, but everytime I see something negative said about him, it's always just.. not true or something he's apologized for years ago. The guy is human and makes mistakes, who cares.
Picture this. Insecure people stop attacking Ronny on the internet. He wouldn’t make a single post about anyone. He only responds to people that attack him daily. People defame, insult, and straight up lie about him and then people surprised pikachu face when he claps back. Genuinely anyone who hates on him has no concept of reality or are jumping on a hate train with no premise of why.
I mean from what they say is that he deserves the hate that he gets. Or that it shouldn’t come as a surprise. As well the argument that him showing his nice side, is him controlling the narrative. What narrative? I’m sure a lot don’t know about his donations. And other things that will make him look more complex. Can he be an asshole at times? Sure, Iike most people we can be a bit too much. Is he an asshole? No, I don’t think so. There is difference between those two. And he definitely falls in the former. From the amount of rabbit hole I went about Ronnie Radke’s life. That is my final opinion. And whether one reads this comment props to you. Because once again I wrote too much.
@@veraanastasiaramirezrozas1633 Claiming he deserves to be berated on the internet because the loudest people cry when he has an opinion that isn’t the same as theirs is just blatantly stupid. Cant start a thought with forming a thought from someone else’s opinion. He talks back when talked too. Love or Hate. “They” that hate him and try to drag the false narratives that have been proven false with no consequences is disgusting. For the people that hate him just block the account. Problem fuckin solved. But instead they spread slander and hate and cry when he responds. 🤷🏻♂️
Tank, this is why you’re one of the best. You put out the facts and you don’t bullshit, even if you don’t love the dude, you are still looking at the facts and looking at the core problem. Big respect man.
Fantano crossed the line and lied in a really seriously career ending way for someone. You can’t basically call someone a grapist these days Willy Billy because that will trash a reputation irrevocably.
It's funny how the new album is all about Ronnie being mad at modern media hating him and trying to silence him or whatever, and as soon as someone says something about him, he sues. Seems a bit hypocritical imo
@John_McDonnell_76 nope. It's internet yapping through and though. If Ronnie was held responsible for everything he's said, he'd be cooked. Dude was in prison damn near 2 decades ago and has continued to be involved in injuring his fans and starting shit with his peers in the industry. No one cares what he's done, you either like him or you don't. Doesn't matter what Fantano says. When a prosecutor says "I'm pressing charges because of a UA-cam review" then I'll take it seriously.
Commenting on something and the way some people are doing it lately made me realize that some of us really should rethink few things in their life (and maybe log out from the internet for a while). It's something a bit similar about what I was talking today with my friends, making some rude/inappropriate comments about other people and thinking like it's not a big deal, it was always like that, other people are saying things too... So? Do we really need to do this? I mean, it's nothing wrong in not liking (or liking too much) some things, looks, people, but the way we make comments make a big difference. That's why I try to think how I'd feel if I read/hear comments like this about me. You can say that you don't like this or that, but is there really a need to say "this thing/guy suck!"? Do people really feel better after that? Not to mention it's better to do research first before we say something really harsh about others. Anyway, remember kids, stay hydrated and drink a lot water, so you won't have time for any kind of drama, because you'll be too busy peeing.
But he is not though he just roast people that talk shit about him is not even that serious... but people keep bringing up horrible lies about him... he should defend himself
Using negligence as your defense is beyond wild. Imagine if a civil engineer tries to defend himself with "Yeah, that bridge collapsed, my honour, but I didn't really look into the plans that much, so I can't be to blame for that." after a bridge collapsed due to his plans being wrong. Sure, buddy.
I’m for Fantano getting sued. Nothing wrong with having an opinion and making reviews, but Fantano has taken it a step further too far and needs this as a wake up call
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I am not siding with anyone but I think you need to be aware of something. Anyone can sue anyone for any reason. Filing something in court does not mean you have any evidence or proof whatsoever. It means you want someone to either stop doing something or you want money for something they did or are doing. Thats all. A lawsuit is not proof of guilt at all. Plenty of lawsuits get thrown out every day.
Defamation is very hard to prove, especially because we have something called free speech and you have the right to have a shitty opinion. You have the right to be an idiot too.
You can call people names and they can sue you for it but often it will get anti-SLAP'd down. Anti-SLAP is a law that basically prevents people from suing you to silence your speech. Anti-Slap allows you to use the 1st Amendment as a defense to people trying to silence things they didnt like. It essentially shuts the lawsuit down and forces the plaintiff to pay the defendents attorney fees.
Now, I havent watched his video so its possible he crossed some line but usually...it is very hard to prove defamation especially because you have to prove knowledge that it was false, malicious disregard for the truth and most importantly, because Radke is a public person and there is a much higher bar to defamation you have to prove that there was some sort of harm to him or his brand that can be quantified financially. I think Radke has a very high bar here and ultimately wants to shut him up. It may not work. Edited for typos*
@tankthetech it's because Anthony fantano said that Ronnie radke raped a girl whenever that had already been disproven in court.
10:50 I think he should just get offline, why isn't he spending more time on his music and touring, things he enjoys instead of fighting music critics, conspiracy theories, other musicians, he's creates his own drama half the time with the rubbish he speaks
Did you watch Anthony fantano video?
I heard you said you didn't watch it when it was released, but I guess you watched it as research for this video.
Mike Tyson's quote "Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it." is dead on.
Yeah, except 999/1000 people weren't going to punch anyone in the face anyways.
I personally don't care about disrespecting people. I have a problem with falsely defamatory statements.
Anyone who would punch someone in the face for words has serious issues, just like the source of the quote.
@@nobodyimportant7804 except civility goes hand-in-hand with a high-trust society ; as soon as you lose one, you lose the other.
what you've said here sounds like cope from someone who doesn't like being held accountable for talking unnecessary sh!t.
@@Double_J_48629 No, it is just mockery about children thinking a punch to the face is justified over words.
Quoting a thug and scumbag like Tyson is not a good look. What did Tyson do to get a 6-year prison sentence? Why did he have his name removed from Punch Out!?
Tyson and civility are two words that don't go together.
Insults don't mean shit, but lies do.
Look up slapsuits. Then consider everything.
@@slashismyhommie8182 that is like saying, "look up words" than say something
@@spellindenaam only slapsuits are an actual thing. Or idk, you can still go through life with an 8th grade understanding of the world. Or you can do your own research as the cool kids say. I just gave you the term/topic to do your own research.
But thanks for admitting you aren't able to do so.
@@slashismyhommie8182 And if someone is slandering you and fucking with your money , sue them.
@@slashismyhommie8182 Only words are an actual thing. Or I don't know, you can still go through life with an 8th grade understanding of the world and punctuation, or you can do your own research as the "cool" kids say. I just gave you the "insert word here" to do your own research.
But thank you for admitting that you are not able to do so.
My condolences to your family.
Ronnie calling someone an arrogant narcissist is fucking gold bro
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Yeah, it's sort of like a guy who can't play his instrument for shite making a living on judging others' music like he knows wtf he's talking about hahaha
@@veenoir1991I don't have to fly a helicopter to know if I see one in a tree, someone fucked up. Appeals to accomplishment or ability are fallacious.
@@777biggs this is an inaccurate equivalence. You're kind of proving my point by saying if you see a chopper down, someone fked up. A complete disregard of any natural phenomenon or mechanical malfunction thats not based on human fallacy or mistakes. Basically, if you can't fly-stfu.
@@veenoir1991Sure... Over 20 years own Bands... One of the most famoust Bands around since 6 years. Writes the songs by himself und so on... And u think u can judge him? What are ur references internetbattleboy?
Well to be fair, I‘ve never had any contact with him and I still consider suing Fantano on a daily basis.
Accurate
We all do
True and people take him seriously
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I think the issue is that Ronnie is chronically online. The man needs to get rid of socials and realize that he still sells out venues, he just never shuts the hell up about amorphous internet bullshit. Im probably wrong but that's just how i read it.
my issue is that it feeds into itself, everytime some random content creator makes a mean video on the guy it gets massive clicks, then it gets an angry response from Radke which only makes the video get more attention and causes more "omg this guy is villainous look at these texts" videos to pop up, causing Radke to give out more angry responses.
so yeah, i agree the guy needs to get off of socials, let legal department and personal managers handle it, it'd stop easely over half of the people farming clicks from him.
And yet a man has a right to defend himself from a public figure trying to sway the public to hate on lies or unfounded un verified information. People who lie with malice should be silenced.
At the end of the day you have a right to lie with malice, but you aren't free from the consequences as long as its not the government dishing out the consequences.
honestly its kinda his shtick but not really cause hes defending himself and its just his persona but also its honeslty made him big as ever so its kind of a win win meta he has on his hands
Ronnie is messing around 99% of the time. From time to time he does get serious with his call outs. That's how I see it.
You can't really be a musician in 2024 without social media. Like it or not, Ronnie Radke is a product of how music is in 2024. And even if his music isn't for me, Ronnie is a master of getting attention in the social media age.
If Ronnie Radke were stuck in a SAW trap and had access to google, his first search would be "Ronnie Radke".
Bro you owe me some laundry detergent, I've just spilt my drink all over my shirt laughing at this
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402he owes me a pair of underwear because I wasn't prepared for laugh farts😂
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@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 Yea you are gonna have to get your parents to clean ya up again. Cryculture clown
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 Yea... you will have to get your rents to clean you up again.
Pro tip: Do the research. Read books written by other people who have NOT BEEN SUED and then press what you have LEARNED about the person into a piece of media you can then legally monetize WITHOUT BEING SUED. People do it literally all the time... Behind the Bastards is like my favorite podcast right now and they do nothing but call people literal bastards.
Sounds dumb as shit. Just don’t imply people are S.O.’s or accuse them of things that aren’t true and that have been disproven in the court of law and things will be fine! 👍
Anyone can sue for anything they feel like in America. Winning is another matter, but frequently the lawsuit itself is the punishment. If I have more money than you and want to drag you through court I can do that, whether I have a valid argument or not.
But yes, if you do your research and make a good faith effort to present accurate information then you greatly reduce your chance of getting sued.
@@wallywest2360 SLAPP suits you mean. Hopefully they have not done their research and sue you in a state that has an anti-SLAPP law on the books and the suit can be thrown out immediately.
Behind the Bastards about Ronnie Radke would go hard ngl. I give him a few more years to be fash enough to be covered there
@@adam346 He filed in California which has Anti slapp laws.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is another good reason of why we follow Tank. I like so much to see how much integrity is still a thing in our current times...
One of the reasons why I listen to your videos is not only that you have a consdierable expertise, but also because you try to steer clear of drama.
If Ronnie is so tired of dealing with haters, then he shouldn't CONSTANTLY address them and act like some badass for calling them out. If he stayed silent and ignored people who don't like him, they'd all eventually get bored and move on. I don't feel sorry for him because he's brought this upon himself 100%
But how would be retain his fame? It certainly isn't his talent for writing music! I've seen countless morons say they listen to his music simply because of how he "always speaks the truth."
Like they did when Marylin Manson stayed silent? Silence is guilt to these people same as speaking is
He could also stop being a dick to everyone online even when they aren't spreading lies or hating on him. Saw him call a minor "fatherless" once because she said she liked older FIR songs more than newer ones 💀
The issue with that, is he was quiet about it for years and it never did anything so he's taking a different approach to it
I dont know the guy either, but Luke's drum tech posts super long format videos on entire days on tour which show at great length all the different people that work in that camp and they all seem to genuinely enjoy being there and seeing each other. I've never heard anyone who knows him personally say anything but good things about him.
He's a nice guy, but he can't help but get pulled into the social media rage machine. And he lets it pull him in hard.
@@redgroupclan That's definitely my impression too. I think he overreacts a lot, but this is not one of those times. I'd be suing this guy too.
Burden of proof is significantly higher in the case of libel against public figures. It’s not just saying untrue stuff, you have to be able to prove “actual malice,” meaning you have to be able to prove the person deliberately lied to hurt you. Not an expert, but seems like it might be a difficult case to prove.
You not only have to prove malice but Ronnie has to PROVE that he suffered financially because of the comments which is impossible.
Actual malice or "reckless disregard for the truth." If the fact that the allegations he referred to had already been concluded in Ronnie's favor, that is easy to find online, and I would think that qualifies as a reckless disregard for the truth.
Trust me, I hate both of these assholes, but Ronnie seems to have a case.
@@evanrodarte4290 Ronnie has to prove actual damage, even if he can show someone was outright lying about him. This is true of any lawsuit, the entire basis for the action is damage done to a plaintiff. I sincerely doubt that he can prove that a single youtube video damaged his career when he's never been more popular than he is right now.
In Fantano's case, the malice is the EASIEST element to prove. The alleged fiction element is the 2nd easiest. Damages are the hardest to prove, but it doesn't mean he shouldn't sue. Doesn't matter how much or little he may win in a suit, so long as the life-wrecking material is forcibly removed.
I am an attorney and your assessment of the law is off base. He has a solid case against Fantano. Actually, it's pretty cut and dry. Fantano is going to live with a judgment over his head. Fantano has been playing with fire and was asked, warned, and now he can enjoy the consequences.
I dont like Ronnie at all but would never personally attack him for it. I can understand why he sues people that attack him and blatantly lie. This shit is not acceptable.
So question. *Why* do you not like him. I ask because you give no reason, but im assuming its because of something you saw or read, but you followed that statement up with understanding why he would sue or defend himself because of lies.
I've been down the rabbit hole for years, thats all Ronnie as ever done is stand up for himself.
Radke has said all sorts of defamatory shit.
@@mpls1982sources? “Trust me bro.”There’s a difference between an insult and slander.
@mpls1982 calling someone names or claiming yourself better than someone else is not defamation.
Saying someone is a child predator with no proof, or a sexual predator in general, that is.
These things and thr effect they can have on both people's lives and careers are massively different. Ronnie shit talks. That's it.
@@codysmith66- he seems like a creep. Gives off childish vibes. Just generally gives me the ick.
I’ve done extensive content on Ronnie, and all he did was follow me back and start a respectful conversation with me. Because I didn’t lie about him or slander him. 😂
Which seems like totally normal behavior. Anybody would be fine with content on them as long as it wasn't straight up slander. Haha
I'm torn on this subject. I totally agree that content creators (who often view themselves as 21st century journalists - sometimes rightfully so) at the same time should be held accountable for their content to the standards of journalism (research, balance etc.) However, Ronnie himself has no filter of what he puts out on social media. He makes trans- and homophobic, racist and fatphobic slurs, insults people on a regular basis and still expects people to be respectful towards him. In German we say "wie man in den Wald hereinruft, so schallt es heraus". Imho, if he was kinder on social media, he would not receive as much backlash. 🤷♀
Respect and flat out lying and defaming him and basically calling him a sexual predator are too different things. He makes jokes about people who make jokes about him. What fantano did is not this. People calling him a dick and talentless is not the same thing as calling him an abuser/etc.
Ronnie attackiert Leute niemals ohne Grund. Er antwortet Menschen die ihn zuerst angreifen. Immer! Diese Leute beleidigen ihn und beschuldigen ihn der schlimmsten Dinge aber wenn er reagiert dann ist er auf einmal der böse. Dann sollen sie ihn doch in Ruhe lassen wenn sie mit der Reaktion nicht klarkommen. Und du hast den Punkt eigentlich genau getroffen: wie man in den Wald hineinruft so schallt es heraus nur eben das es andersrum ist und die Leute zuerst in den Wald reinrufen oder was glaubst du warume er auf TikToks reagieren kann? diese tiktoks existieren zuerst!!!!!!
@austinlarrimore6542 These are both solid takes imo, but in the end I agree with you. Ronnie might be a dick, and we can say that. But this other stuff is not only unfair to him, but legitimate victims of DV and SA who don't speak out because of the type of environment this BS creates.
@@alarrim29574 Literally anyone can call you a sexual predator Its still not defamation unless you can prove they knowingly are lying about you. Even if you have court cases saying you're innocent that doesn't mean the person can't say the court case was bullshit and they got it wrong you are a pedo. Ontop of this Ronnie Radke is a public figure and Fantano is generally viewed as a critic. That makes it even harder to prove what Fantano says is defamation.
He's a dick but slander IS STILL slander and people online need to realize that.
Maybe I've missed something, but I looked up the court documents for Ronnie Radke's defamation lawsuit against Kacee Boswell, and everything I found seems to show it ended in a judgement by default before the trial even started?
Which would absolutely NOT be the same thing as a judge ruling in favor of Ronnie or definitive evidence the accusations were false. All it would mean is the defendant (Kacee Boswell) didn't respond to the suit in a timely manner, which can happen for a lot of reasons, not just because of (alleged) lying: lack of resources / money for lawyers and court costs, mental illness, addiction issues, fear, a private agreement, etc.
I also tried to research the (alleged) DNA evidence, and so far all I can find are Ronnie's claims on social media but no outside corroboration? Again, if I've missed anything, I would hugely appreciate being directed to that information.
You mix up cases! Kacee boswell accused Ronnie of r*pe and was caught lying big time. There was no charges and there was no case at all! He even sued her for defamation and won! The DV is about his ex girlfriend. They had a fight about him cheating and she accused him of violence which she couldn't back up. The DV was dismissed and he had a plea deal for disturbing the peace. By the way, Kacee Boswell named her own daughter after Ronnie's daughter Willow. That woman is mentally ill!
No, you're correct and Tank is wrong. He bankrupted the victim by dragging out the case and lied about the DNA test. Whether anyone wants to believe is up to them.
But this is Fantano's basis for calling Radke a variety of things. And it's quite easy to make the mental connection that a litigious, rich drug addict, who instigated a murder, with zero ability to control his own mouth and who threatens to beat up children online would also SA a woman.
Radke also calls other artists pedos, like Andy Cizek, which Tank doesn't seem to mention is just as defamatory.
@@THEFUTUREMARINE2016 the court papers are online! There were no charges because the girl tangled herself in lies that could easily proven wrong like accusing someone of Rape who was at the stage at the very same time! There were also a dozen people on that bus who all witnessed that nothing had happened! He sued that girl for defamation and won! The very same girl named her daughter later after Ronnie’s daughter Willow! And he did not instigate a murder, he was present at a fight were someone was shot and killed in self Defence! Ronnie was charged with having brass knuckles on him! You people who spread the most horrible lies about him are the reason he fights back online! He has every right to defend himself!
Thank you for pointing this out. Definitely changed my opinion on this video. I also don’t like that tank never brings up the hateful remarks Ronnie has made towards many individuals (often transphobic, racist, etc.) which are all easy to find and verify. But ofc he will talk about people he knows who had a good time on tour with FIR.
I may not be a huge fan of Ronnie, but I hate Fantano WAY more than Ronnie
Same. And honestly i dislike Ronnie's fans more than i dislike him specifically. The most insufferable fanbase i've ever interacted with hands down
@@Mandingy24 Someone hasnt been around the Star Wars fanbase enough to make that statement.
Courtesy, both a Ronnie fan and massive Star Wars fan. Things get way outta line on the other side of the galaxy.
No. Ronnie radke is a garbage person.
@@codysmith66 Star Wars? Thats cute. Try talking to Kpop fanbases, and I say that as a Kpop fan
@Bushviper I feel like while they may be just as toxic, they aren't as wide spread. It's generally accepted that the Star Wars Fandom is one of the most toxic Fandom on the planet.
Which is an unfortunate title to have, I wish it wasn't so.
Sorry I'm late to the video I'm currently getting trolled by Linkin Park
With the announcement of the new vocalist I think I'm still being trolled by Linkin Park 😂
15:35 In a world of ridiculously lazy clickbait, I certainly appreciate people like you Tank who spend the time and effort to go the extra mile on research or just say flat out you don't know too much about something. The honesty is key.
Let''s be honest thie will end neither Ronnie,s nor Anthony's career
Yeah but Anthony will be hurting for money real bad once this is over.
@@blacksunshine9995 I don't wish that on him though. I don't even wish it on Ronnie
Glad he's getting what he's had coming for a while. Fuck fantano
@@blacksunshine9995 No he won't, cause he isn't gonna lose.
You are probably right but we can hope. I hate both of them.
Calling anyone the BILL COSBY of anything is just fkn messed up. Luke Holland is an awesome drummer.
I'm not familiar with Ronnie's "legal" cases. But as far as lawsuits and counter suits goes. Just because things were dropped doesn't mean they are true or false. This country's law system benefits those that have money. Ronnie sounds like he has engaged in what is colloquially referred as "slap suits" where a larger person or group files a bunch of motions against smaller people and entities to the point where financially the smaller person or group has no other choice but to submit or drop any civil charges to just make the allegations go away.
John Oliver did a whole episode on slapsuits and it was eye opening for me, I suggest anyone thinking Ronnie's right blindly maybe considering learning about slapsuits, including Tank here. Because I think without that understanding it is easy to be mislead on situations involving lawsuits in this country.
So ya, anyone who claims those with money and are aggressive against smaller groups, education on how not equitable the courts in this country are, especially in lawsuits, it might make you double think someone like Ronnie's many stories and claims.
@@dfhellraiser4tdget your facts straight. That “plea deal” was for an entirely different case. Do your research because it’s obvious you did not by your comment. Do better.
@NicoleLewis-MK3 except these facts are verifiable and very easy to find. I'd love to link you but UA-cam doesn't allow links. Ronnie made a plea deal so he wouldn't go back to prison. He had to complete 52 court ordered domestic assault classes.
The case number is 2GN02026.
I guess they delete comments around here...
@@NicoleLewis-MK3 Glendale Courthouse, case number: 2GN02026.
@@NicoleLewis-MK3 Glendale Courthouse Case# 2GN02026.
He has no actual grounds to sue for defamation. For one, he would have to prove that the accusations Fantano made damaged his image. Ronnie Radke has been hated since I was in high school. I’m 32, almost 33. Two, he would have to demonstrate damages. Have any of his shows been cancelled as a result of Fantano’s actions? Does Fantano know that what he is saying is a lie? Can it be proven? This is the standard of evidence for a normal, non-public figure. It’s even higher for public figures, of which Ronnie Radke is. Ronnie Radke knows all of this and is using the legal system as a means to bully. This is what most First Amendment attorneys would say, and this will most likely settle out of court.
The fact that Fantano deleted his tweets looks VERY bad for Fantano. And everything you said is true. However, Ronnie knows this. This is about pressure after Fantano refused to take down the defamatory videos. Also, Fantano made money from the defamatory subject leaving the video up.
Yes, Fantano knows what he was saying was a lie and untrue. He would have had to dig deep into the web to pull those articles without coming across clear reports that he was acquitted
If Fantano wasn't aware of weather saying was a lie, he shouldn't have made the video.
It’s like you guys read only part of my comment and stopped there lmao
@@PhreakPhantom what are the damages?
we can understand why ronnie acts the way he does sometimes but that doesn't necessarily excuse it. Also feel like it might have been a good idea to watch fantano's video rather than just the rock feed one if we're trying to see all sides
Yeah, this is basically what Tank said.
That being said, however, if I were a famous person and someone with a huge platform like Fantano publicly accused me of a committing an actual crime and then refused to retract that statement, I'd do whatever I legally could to shut that person's mouth for good. I can't blame Radke for reacting like this. Having a negative opinion is OK. Using your huge platform as an influencer to spread lies isn't.
@@Tigermaster1986 Here's the problem with that. Doing that is literally doing the Streisand effect. I had no idea Ronnie had any accusations against him until he bitched and whined about Fantano's video.
@@Deminese2 I see where you're coming from, but I don't agree at all.
1. Let's be real for a second, Antony Fantano is probably more famous than Radke. Seriously. You can't have the Streisand effect when the media is more famous than the person trying to suppress it.
2. Barbra Streisand was trying to sue a photographer over a legally taken photo of her home. The Streisand effect was, to a huge extent, that the lawsuit drew attention to her house and the problems it was causing. Radke is suing Fantano for defaming him. There is a huge difference between the two.
I'm glad that Radke never trash talks or insults others....
I don’t agree with a lot of what Ronnie says.. but spending time in his twitch stream he’s always been a total sweetheart to a lot people when didn’t have to be. He’s been gracious and kind to those less fortunate than him. He’s given people money and contributed to peoples go fund me for everything from cancer treatments to funerals. He’s bought setups for people wanting to do youtube fulltime.
IMO he has a good heart. 🤷🏻♀️
He is where he can control the way he looks. There's a reason he has garnered the otherwise negative perception of him
@@sillysiji5257meh - I don’t put much stock in generic negative opinions of people who don’t shift with every latest fad.
Yes, in front of his weird fans, sure. But then there's a reason why he gets the hate he does.
Almost all the hate he gets is for things he did 10 plus years ago. As someone who is older than Ronnie, and more than likely you yourself, I can tell you that we are all vastly different individuals than we were 10 years prior. From what I've seen I've seen, Ronnie has grown considerably as a perso,n especially after he left prison, and has tried to be a decent person going forward. Maybe that has something to do with having a daughter too.
@hanyougod or hear me out. Perhaps it's his current day behavior that causes the ire. He's like that meme of Eric Andre shooting his boy in the chair and saying "who could have done this?" Except it's Ronnie and his behavior. And says, "how come they don't like me"
The Ronnie glazing is insane.
The man is chronically online to the point where he even attacked me via Instagram because I said I think FiR makes trash music. Bloke went on a tirade at me, and I'm literally nobody.
At what point do just accept basic critisism and that not everyone is going to like your music? Or do you just view everything as a personal attack like he seemingly does?
I've don't give af about Ronnie to know anything about allegations being true or not, and I had zero personal experience with him or even really knew who he was in general as his music was never my cup o tea. But to come after anyone with the most basic of "I don't like the music" opinions? Now that I am aware of who he is since that weird experience, all I see from him is attacking people himself - more so than the nobodies who are supposedly tarnishing his name.
I've no sympathy for bullies who feign victimhood. And that's what Ronnie does majority of the time just in general from what I've now been seeing.
Call me bias, but the dude screams red flag.
This right here is why I dont like him or his music and won’t give it a chance ever. He can’t accept that not everyone is going to like him and his music and he literally turns into a middle school bully about it. And just like a middle school bully he plays the “I’m just kidding I wasn’t being serious” and people buy it every time.
Sure, if you say so buddy
@@UnsungPhoenix I mean, I literally just bloody did. You got a point to make or what?
@@Cessate They don't they're probably one of his new teen fans who will age out of FIR like everyone else did.
When you act like a bully and hard ass you can't then cry about everything
cry about everything? accusations about being a r*pist and a*user and mu*derer? dude check your morals
Innuendo isn't actionable and it is a very suspect term to use in a legal filing.
There could be legit complaints that a court can address but I won't be surprised if this is mostly lolsuit material.
This filing - not legislation - is merely one side of the case. Never take a filing like this as the absolute truth.
He did two and a half years in prison so not all of his many cases have resulted in vindication. All of the charges (and convictions) that he has picked up makes it odd that anyone gives him the time of day. If anyone does mention him, it should just be "red flag collection" and move on. That is not "actionable innuendo"
Did you watch the video? He literally insults his character because of false rumors and implies they are true. and yes you 100% can sue people for Inuendo. If a Big hollywood star insinuates that a director Raped him you bet 100% he is getting sued if the allegations are false.
He did time for drugs. That doesn't make him a violent thug that assaults women.
@@DragonKnightX12 He did 2.5 years for violating the terms of a 5-year probation on a battery with substantial bodily harm conviction. That is not drugs.
He also pleaded down a domestic violence arrest to a simple disturbing the peace where he pleaded no contest, which has most of the same effects of a guilty plea. That is not drugs.
He was also arrested for assault at a show he and his shit band was playing and caught a ban from the venue. Again, not drugs.
No one would care about a drug possession conviction.
Like I said, a walking red flag collection.
@@nobodyimportant7804I’m pretty sure the guy violated his parole because of drugs which is why the guy said he got jail time for drugs
@@alarrim29574 You might have a point except he also said "that doesn't mean he is a violent thug..." when the probation was because of a violent crime.
C'mon man, it's goofy as hell to pretend like Radke doesn't purposefully invite all the scrutiny and hate with incendiary and controversial comments and choices. He's never been "just minding his own business".
Imagine thinking that defending yourself means you deserve to get hated on for it
@@aspirationrecordsreally
Oh yes, he should embrace being called a r*apist, mur*erer and ab*ser! How dare he defending himself against this proven wrong allegations. Dude really?
@@aspirationrecords
I didn't know Ronald literally singling out teens on tiktok and going on rage rants as a 40 year old is defending yourself lol.
As someone who doesn't have much faith in our legal system, I don't think that being absolved in court is necessarily proof that someone did nothing wrong. Judges and juries can make mistakes. Plus, victims make SA accusations against famous people and then get threatened or bribed into silence all the time. I still think it's worth talking about those allegations, as long as you include all the relevant information.
Yeah, but there’s a big difference between saying, “I think he did it,” and, “he did it.” It’s not hard to take that little extra step to protect yourself legally, but some people just don’t get the memo.
What do you mean by "talking about those allegations"? It's not acceptable to perpetuate any kind of accusation on the internet. If somebody has some accusations, they can turn to law enforcement.
The issue is the accusations don't have to be proven to damage somebody's name, however the accused isn't able to refute them. How would you prove something didn't happen? You can't.
There have been too many false accusations made in last years. Accusations should be investigated, not perpetuated on the internet for eternity.
But in this case Ronnie got proven innocent via DNA testing, he went to a police station, they did the swabs on his and the Woman's areas and it was proven that there was no contact.
I have zero faith in the legal system but I have a lot of faith in DNA tests and the police swapped his entire tour bus where she said it happened and found nothing, that has nothing to do with the legal system persay, it didn't even get to a judge for that. Police dismissed the charges.
This is a dumb take because if somebody is proven innocent - via DNA testing, testimonies, trials, etc, then why should we keep mentioning it? Let's say you get accused of DV or SA by your ex-partner who's furious that you broke up with them, for valid reason, in a civilised way - you just don't want to be together anymore. It's proven that you're innocent and that vile person just wanted you to suffer. Should people around you always mention it? Should they always go "Ahh, this person is really nice, and I've been having fun with them but I'm hesitant about that bbq on the weekend because - you know - they were accused of SA 10 years ago.". It doesn't make sense.
As another comment said, Ronnie needs to get OFF OF SOCIAL MEDIA.
He claims not to care and whatnot, but EVERYTHING he does points to the opposite. He is one of the most successful metal artists. He’s better off just ignoring all the idiots online who try to act all high and mighty (like Fantano and others).
Suing someone for making claims that were already public knowledge, regardless of the merit of the suit, will only result in the "Ronnie Radke sues content creators" type headlines that are why my friends who don't listen to any metal know who he is and clown on him regularly. He's turned a video that would have blown over in under a week into a media shit storm. I do not like Radke but even I can admit that Fantano was probably being intentionally misleading. However even if this ends up actually going to court, freedom of speech allowing you to share your opinions in a public forum will make it hell to actually resolve in his favor. Considering I can't find any evidence of him actually taking the woman who accused him of rape to court(despite all the attention he purposefully drew to that lawsuit), I highly doubt he has any intention of doing so here. He wants the spotlight, he wants to be seen fighting back. Once the media from this settles down the lawsuit will be quietly halted. See you all in two years when he sues another guy for attention I guess.
@TankTheTech while for the most part I agree with you've said, I don't think saying someone is right about something just because they won a lawsuit and/or had a case thrown out. The nature of most these suits are more than anything an emotional and financial nuke if you're just an average person. Like whether or not what's being debated about is true or not, the average person is not going to have the financial or emotional reserves to battle someone like Ronnie. Again, I'm not making the statement that I think anything or anyone was or wasn't right; just that person who wins lawsuit =/= person who is in the right.
That girl lied and it was proven! There was no case and no charges because she was caught that same night she made the allegations making stuff up. Ronnie sued her for defamation and won. What is questionable about this? Nothing! And Fantano knew damn well!
Correct.
The written law doesn't always equal justice. In fact, it often doesn't. In the United States, especially. One may argue that it's running on a pay-to-win foundation.
@@pixel_glitched But that still doesn't make him guilty as Fantano expressed it as a fact
@@sandi25_25 Yes, Fantano's legal error was doing so, but Fantano doing so is irrelevant to my point.
The point was that just legally getting a case thrown out doesn't always mean it didn't happen. It just means a party succeeded in a legal effort to get a case dismissed. And it also means it was not able to be proven by the accused. IIRC, that case didn't even get to trial.
Legally, that's presumed innocent - but as anyone knows - the system is exploitable and anyone intimidating and rich enough can easily pull this off, regardless of guilt or innocence.
I'm not saying RR is guilty, either. I'm implying we (people uninvolved and were not witnesses) will never truly know one way or another. The only thing we _do_ know is he _legally_ succeeded in the case's dismissal.
Then why follow the fu-cking law
I've been personally affected by someone I trusted who was close to me constantly backstabbing me to everyone they knew with full out lies for years (even if I didn't know the person they were lying to). I didn't know about any of it but at a couple of stages throughout the years I'd have complete strangers approach me in my home town and spit on me / hurl verbal abuse at me. I've been kicked out of restaurants and stores on the first visit even before I had a chance to say or do anything. I will absolutely say that the level of obsessive hatred and behaviour from one single person has changed the way that I think and behave even when I'm alone. I am certain that I couldn't handle what Ronnie has had to tolerate and I support his legal action in this regard 100%.
He's got no legal grounds, and your anecdote sounds like cope.
You get assaulted constantly on hearsay? You sure you're not just a bad/unliked person?
I'm so sorry this happened to you ❤️🩹 I had a similar experience with someone I considered a very close friend
Ngl, I don't care about ronnie either way but just seeing fantano's mug on the thumbnail makes me want to root for whoever is poking him in the eye.
Who, Ronnie or Fantano?
This is the first time I see this Fantano dude, and I have no idea how he can have any fans. He looks and acts sus at best
Anthony deserves the lawsuit. He perpetuates false accusations to hurt Ronnie's image and monetizes it.
Yeah Ronnie doesn't need the competition when it comes to making himself look bad
@@deathpgtyou win.
@@deathpgt100%
Ronnie hurts Ronnie image
This is one of those play stupid games, win stupid prizes situations.
Anthony is wrong for making false claims, but more often than not, things like this don’t happen to people if they’re not the absolute worst.
Ronnie could just stop sucking this much, and people wouldn’t lie about him, I have no sympathy at all.
We live in an age of misinformation and some people are too lazy to do the work and research before they regurgitate what they hear. Its a damn shame
I never noticed how much Tank looks like Haley Joel Osment.
I see dead people 👀
i hate that i know this now, and cant unsee it
Finally, someone else said it. Been thinking that for over a year, lol.
@@pixel_glitched They look very similar. I'm talking adult Haley Joel Osment. Tank is skinnier, but they could be twins.
@@tamarockstar45 Oh, I agree
The amount of people that don’t understand the difference between opinions and/or insults, and defamatory statements is mind boggling considering how well tank explained himself.
Dumbass= insult.......You're a racist= Possible slander and defamation.......You're a pedophile= definite slander and defamation.
Im gonna be honest, i have a friend in the FIR camp so i try to just stay out of anything related to radke.
Being an insufferable asshole is how Radke stays relevant. Its a gimmick to get and keep attention so people continue to talk about him. I couldnt tell you the last time anyone talked about FIR music for just what it is, its always about what obnoxious shit and behavior Radke is doing today.
People just need to ignore him. He wants and craves attention and reacting to shit he does is just giving him what he wants.
EDIT: People seem to be completely missing what I'm saying. If your a FIR fan and love their music then fuck yeah, more power to you. I think Radke's public persona and antics overshadow his bands output and it's a problem that eventually will catch up with him. He's doing it on purpose because it gets attention on him, which in turn gets attention on his band, making them an afterthought to whatever dumbassery he's doing.
It's an act, I know because I've met and worked with him on a show and he was the total opposite of how he comes across.
It's eventually going to catch up with him in a bad way down the road and he's not going to be able to recover from it. It's not a sustainable way to function.
Hate more, loser. The reason he is relevant is because of the great music he and his band makes. The reason you care so much about his personal quirks, is because you're fucking weird.
he's the trump of the metal world. i swear he's so thin skinned that rice paper laughs at him.
It's honestly all an act. And yes, he does do it to cause issues for attention. I met him back stage a couple different times and he was genuine and sweet both times. It's a shame he feels he has to put on this act of an asshole to be relevant. His talent is more than enough.
Lol… No one talks about his music? Yet he’s selling more tickets than ever before? He’s as popular as ever. His music is doing more views than ever? Yeaaaaaa……
That angle now makes him sound a lot more like those youtube pranksters/"social experiment" guys who start shit with people on camera then backpedal like ITS JUST A PRANK
When you're always attacked that is the lense you read things through, and when the majority of what you see is only in text you have no context. So something one person writes as a fun supportive joke can easily be read as an attack because of the implied tone with everything else being an attack.
I love what you said, paraphrased "I enjoy his music, I don't know him as a person" which is so true, and more people should be able to choose if they like the music or dislike it without commenting on the PERSONALITY OF SOMEONE THEY HAVE NOT MET AND LIKELY NEVER WILL. Sorry caps, just grump.
I used to somewhat know him back when he was early in Escape the Fate and I lived in Vegas, which is my hometown. I knew their guitarist Omar and drummer Robert, and I've seen how he acts. Plus I had friends in the music promotion scene who told me stories. So, I have my negative opinion on him, lol.
You see how he acts... 2 decades ago? Ok, good for you
He was 20. Hes now 40. I sure hope people dont judge you at 40 for things you did at 20
You know that Robert Ortiz and Ronnie are still friends, yes? You have an opinion on Ronnie that you formed almost twenty years ago based on stories others told you and where the guy you didn't like was heavily addicted? Wow!!!!!
I never said they weren't friends? I just meant I had friends who were in the local scene and I hung out with a few of the bandmates, and heard some shit from other people. I get it was a long ass time ago, but it's just similar behavior 🤷♂️
@@aspirationrecords Except his pattern of behavior wasn't only from '20 years ago.' Also, ANYONE who throws a mic stand into the crowd/audience can go f*** themselves, period 🤷♀️
18:44 At that point you have to say "Ah ok at least you meant it as this way. Maybe put in a David Lee Roth normally does this to make a performance perfectly" he shouldn't have blocked you over that.
There is a simple solution: Delete Social Media, deal with your own problems
Simple solution. Stop spreading hate comments every time you see something. Very simple. Learn some manners and respect.
@@worldaswar3784 That unfortunately will never change
@@JP_Hatecrew as long as you won't start from yourself. I will not happen
Ronnie is verrrrry thin-skinned. A music critic, A Brad Taste in Music, has had his review of one of Radke's albums taken down by Ronnie and his label sooooo many times. Every time brad reiploads, it gets taken down a few months later, and the cycle continues.
You also can't pretend that ronnie doesnt bring it on himself sometimes, he's an instigator. He says a lot of transphobic/homophobic/racist shit. I can see where a lot of this hate comes from.
Ronnie says he doesnt care what people think about him, then spends forever on the internet listening to people's opinions about him🤷♀️😂 he should just get off the internet for a while
As we we know, the US court system is far from perfect in getting justice right. Just because he wasn't convicted and was able to counter sue doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. He just didn't get caught
The title made me think the video was gonna be different, but this was the most levelheaded objective take I think one could have.
There needs to be consequences for blatantly lying and spreading misinformation like what Fantano did. Ronnie is 100% in the right here. Ronnie had warned Fantano on multiple occasions and he didn't listen and kept spewing the same shit to millions of his fans and new viewers that wanted to learn about Ronnie. He has literally claimed Ronnie to be a r@p-st, abuser and even a murderer. That sh*t ain't cool man.
You can criticize his music, hell even his character all you want but blatantly lying about him is not it bro. That is DEFAMATION. Especially if you have a huge following like Fantano does. He f**ked around, and now he is finding out.
Isn't Lil Ronnie always bitching about cancel culture?
@TankTheTech thanks for the quote, I chuckled cause its true. Anyway, what i wanted to ask: when can we expect a new VLOG? I just love love love to "look over your shoulder" while you're at work, basically.
Say what you want about his personal choices, but Ronnie understands the idea of defending your name and reputation. That idea is as old as time and often times was the only thing people had that meant anything. Reputation should be just as important now as it historically has been and he has every right to defend himself.
Agreed
You can't defend a turd. He's absolutely the piece of shit he's accused of being.
Damn, then maybe the dude shouldn't have been an accomplice in a murder, throw shit at fans in the crowd, tour with far right individuals, and cry about anyone online saying his music sucks.
@@seff6533 Ah... you're one of those.
He wasn't an accomplice to murder or he would've gone to jail for it.
Merely existing nearby does not make you an accomplice you dunce.
Tour with far right individuals.
I know you're talking about Alex Terrible.
And i know it's because he made a gay joke.
Which is pathetic of you in of itself.
He already said he fucked up with throwing the mic stands and had apologized multiple times.
The victim was completely fine with all of it and you're still fighting battles for someone who isn't even part of it.
As for the last part, lot's of hypocrisy, considering you're here shedding more liquids than a menstrual cup.
@@seff6533 Sure. He definitely shouldn't make some of those choices (and idk what "far-right" even means so that's just BS). But that still doesn't give other people the right to slander him over something that not only hasn't been proven but was proven false through the DNA testing.
Ronnie isn't suing anyone for making fun of him or calling him out on the mic stand throwing or his jail time. He is suing them over other false allegations. You are comparing apples to oranges.
Some content creators and online "influencers" using clickbait posts are no different than the decades old line that newspapers and network news have used. "IF it bleeds, it leads."
Rock feed is very biased. Great videos for non opinionated news like upcoming tours and festival. Once opinions are added into the mix, he very obviously picks a side and feeds drama.
Ronnie is a mosquito to the damn rock/metal scene. He’s done and said a lot of dumb shit and is constantly doubling down on it. Don’t get me wrong, he’s allowed to have any opinion he wants about anything in this country. Personally, I just find most his opinions stupid.
Mosquito? Thats an odd way of spelling legend
The moment you said you hadn't properly researched any of this was a massive red flag.
If you don't know, don't talk. Go find out, THEN talk.
there is a reason i don't listen to falling in reverse and that reason is Ronnie, I genuinely can't stand him.
I missed the part where someone asked for your opinion
You must be they/them 😂😂
Ronnie's PR is single handedly why I stopped listening to his music. He has a victim complex, and what was once just a small percentage of haters has now become much larger, almost entirely due to how he reacts to it. SO many famous artists get false accusations thrown at them and hateful remarks, but most handle it much more professionally. Being in the limelight can be harsh. The culture should change, but in this reality, he brings on a lot of it himself. Eggs it on. Sings about it even. It's not shocking, and we shouldn't encourage it.
Yea and look what just allegations have done to so many bands and musicians
Look what happened to even bigger artist like Manson.
You stay silent, and the public just assumes you're a guilty POS. You kind of gotta be aggressive.
Yea so many famous people also don't take shit. You act like Ronnie is the only one.
Corey Taylor? Chad Kroger? Gene Simmons? Sully Erna? Nikki Sixx? Metallica?
The entire rap scene?
Lol It's not a victim complex, he's built himself as the anti-woke guy that doesn't take people's shit.
He's also quickly becoming a big player in the Rock scene.
my opinion is that this can go 2 ways it'll go Ronnie's way that is if he has any evidence to support his claims or it'll go Anthony's way and the lawsuit will get tossed out by the judge cause there was 0 evidence that his video was defamatory or bonus option is that they both agree to a settlement outside of court
I think it’ll end up getting thrown out. Suing someone for directly accusing you of assaulting them is one thing. A music critic talking about it is different, even if he is talking shit. In order for him to win a defamation suit against Fantano, he will have to provide evidence in court that Fantano’s shit talking directly resulted in loss of income, which is not easy to do.
Also, Radke straight up saying on video that he’s being litigious and will sue people who talk shit could be enough to have the case thrown out, depending on their states anti-SLAPP laws. Plus, Fantano is likely very well off financially and I would assume he has journalism insurance. He’s got the resources to fight it. I don’t have an opinion on either of the two personally, but people who abuse the legal system to bully people are straight fucking trash.
Proving loss of income isn't necessary in a defamation claim, only that the claim is untrue. Fantano would have to prove it were true. Compensation gets more complicated, especially with public figures but it is risky. So Radke could win but be awarded $1 but then Fantano may end up having to pay both sides legal costs. Its one of those journalism things were real journalists are taught that if you want to make potentially defamatory claims, you better have your facts straight. Especially if the person you've defamed can and will sue.
Journalist or any legal insurance probably also wouldn't cover costs, especially if the defamatory claims have already been tested in courts and Radke was cleared.
The whole point of defamation litigation is to prevent people making malicious claims. SLAPP probably wouldn't apply because its an attempt to stop lies that have previously been shown to be lies repeated. People are entitled to opinions, but not facts or lies.
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Fantano is a music critic. I'm sure there is an argument to be made that using his platform to slander an artist could cause financial damages 🤷♂️
Also Fantano mentioned they are allegations, not facts. That is what they are, and allegations are what literally happened.
What part of "Ronnie is a rapist" is music critiquing? Asking for a friend
Ronnie practices the tried and true "do as i say not as I do". Just lately he plastered some girls images on there projector cause they hurt his little feelings. He can freely talk shit about others but cant handle it when it's done to him. Its not everybody's fault that he has the skin of a cicada .
That is typical lolcow behavior.
You look like a pedo
It just begs the question, why do people keep attacking him? Perhaps being a weapons-grade gobshite attracts critism? That Fantano bloke always appears to be have been a plum so ive never paid alot of attention to him, but if Radke is frustrated with how the internet behaves, throwing your toys out the pram at every opportunity is only going to fuel that. Sometimes you need to deal with things quietly, but I kind of think he enjoys the drama to an extent so it just seems they are as bad as eachother.
Someone who insinuates that someone is a sex offender without any proof and furthermore accuses someone who was found not guilty by law, should totally be sued. This can ruin a career, a family (Ronnies daughter and her friends might see this) and maybe a whole life. It also makes it harder for real victims to be believed, when there are false accusations everywhere.
As a German I also don't believe that you should be allowed to insult people (it's actually illegal here), but I understand that it's legal in the US and you just have to deal with it. But that's different from false allegations.
It is illegal to insult people in Germany? WTF?
When you say illegal, do you mean crime or civil tort?
What is the legal definition of insult? Hopefully, it is precisely defined. LMFAO
Republicans do this shit every day.
@@nobodyimportant7804 Saying someone is a sex offender and trying to spread that online isn't an insult. Its a threat that can ruin a life. Its happened to people time and time again where someone claims SA, has no proof, and the person they threw the accusation at gets 15+ years of jail time. Its not the same as calling someone lame, its a genuine attack on someone's life/livelihood
@@jaredmislan5186I never said otherwise. Are you defaming me?
My comment was solely directed towards an alleged law in Germany and not the person you are trying to white knight for.
@@nobodyimportant7804 the german laws about insults are insane and very vague and a problem. the quality of judges and lawmakers here is despictable.
the solingen murderer used a 6 inch knife. which is illegal to have in public (except certain cases, murder is not a reason).
so they decided to make 4.5 inch knifes also illegal in an upcoming law change.
and that's why nobody takes them seriously anymore.
"Put yourself in his shoes" mf he put HIMSELF in those shoes by acting like an idiot for years
Believe it or not I actually know one of this dude's ex's, I won't say how, but every time one of these accusations came up she was never surprised. They dated something like 15 years ago, but still. Her literal words about the battery accusation and the rape accusation were "doesn't surprise me if he's using again". I don't know the guy, but boy he seems a real asshat. Starting drama is one thing, but the bullying on twitter is DEFINITELY real. I've seen it myself. The dude treats people like shit. Either way, fuck all this drama nonsense.
If this dude wants people to believe it when he says he's not a raging asshole, he should probably start not being a raging asshole to people lol Pick one dude. Are you a dickhead that spent time in prison for a fight where someone died that has rapes and abuses women or are you an asshole that bullies trans kids on twitter but also is a super nice guy? Pick one bro. It's a lot easier to believe people defending themselves when they seem like remotely decent people. And NO, giving money to a bigot that got fired for being a bigot is not being a nice fucking guy.
I mean, I get it. But doesn't ronnie have to prove loss or damages caused by what hes said? And i don't think it did. I think hes wasting his Time. And he should stop coming after people on the internet. It just looks mad. Everyone gets negative feedback. Just ignore it. And enjoy your fame and get on with it. Or use it to make music out of it.
Lesson here is, don't get too personal with artists if you're a music critic.
Kind of weird you would upload anything without verifying it. Do people not know newspapers and media outlets get sued or have to post an apology for not verifying their work.
Hot take: people who falsely accuse people of crimes should go to jail and serve the time those crimes correspond to. Way to many peoples lives have been ruined because of trolls and there are barely no consequences
I love what Ronnie is doing because many times Ronnie is telling Fandago to stop spreading misinformation about him, but he proceeds to do it , so now he better think before he uploads another video with lies.
Radke lies about people too. He's a snowflake.
I can't agree with some of his opinions but I fully understand why the dude is tired of people bringing back shit from his past. It reminds me a little of when people interviewing RDJ bring up his past while he was doing press stuff for Marvel stuff. It's uncalled for and unnecessary.
@@heroizumi actions have consequences, if he didn't want previous sh*t to come up he should never have done anything in the first place. He's scum.
Ok but here's the thing about RDJ - regardless of his past mistakes and legal troubles, I don't remember ever hearing him be accused of hurting people. He definitely hurt himself and negatively impacted people who cared about him, but there's a huge difference between having a history of drug abuse vs. history of committing sexual abuse. I don't think you can compare these situations.
@@direcircumstances he does not have a history of sexual abuse mate, ate least I only know he was not charged for it
Not now. Again. He loves getting channels suspended for not liking his band. Thinnest skinned man alive.
I really appreciated your delivery of this video, re-addressing the misunderstanding with Ronnie and your self awareness after reflecting.
He really gets shat on all day everyday and I personally am glad to see him defend himself against false allegations, no matter if it's hard to swallow at times. I believe I'd be angry as all hell in his shoes as well.
Much love to you and your family.
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20:28 I had a mentor many years ago say to me in regards to communication at work, especially when you're peeved about something: "Does this need to be said? Does it need to be said now? Could it be said later?"
If the answer to any of those is NO, well there you go. If YES, then yeah - go for it.
There have def been times where I've gone to fire off an angry email about a missed shipment or someone not doing their job or what have you - and yeah, sometimes you write it out and then delete the draft. but sometimes that shit does need to be sent.
If he's "the most attacked person in music", there's probably a reason for that. Maybe if he wasn't such a douche, he wouldn't be attacked so much.
This. There are hundreds of successful musicians in the scene that don't get attacked on a daily basis because, spoiler alert, they don't actively try to piss people off.
He gets attacked every day because he's perpetually provoking his critics. Surely he can't be shocked by the backlash that causes
He's never shocked by it, but if you accuse him of heinous crimes you better have the receipts, the ol expression "f around and find out" applies.
The people who attack him are bringing up things from like a decade+ ago. Nobody has anything relevant to say about him bc hes redeemed himself since those days and does nothing wrong now. The only things I see about modern ronnie are his beliefs and his social media posts. So basically, who cares? Just people who need to go touch grass themselves, ironically.
@@aspirationrecords He definitely hasn't redeemed himself lol. There's always news of him going on a bitch fit over nothing every year. He's the biggest drama queen of metalcore in existence.
Drama sales :::sigh::: so true - nice level-headed presentation, Tank - stoked for the growth of your channel!
Ronnie Radke definitely has a case and should not let this slide. He actually mentioned in a few tiktoks and comments how all that stuff drags you down mentally.
Yes, being a public figure can attract negative attention, and Ronnie being polarising doesn't help.
But there's a huge difference between negative attention and defamation, and people crossing that line should be kept accountable for that.
Bro Ronie Radke is actually a nice guy it's part of showing everyone "Hey I'm a normal human being just like y'all" like he has every right to stand up for himself. Them trolls need to leave the man alone.
15:10 What? What the actual f***?! "Oh I posted a video about how you allegedly r***** someone for clickbait. But I didn't really look into it or researched it. People should form their own opinion." Like what the actual f***?!
I hope Ronnie watches this clip.
There was always something about RR that made me just know he was a douche, and could never put my finger on it. Glad to see my instincts are still sharp. His music sucks too.
Makes me think of that old satirical adage, "It's on the internet, so it's gotta be true!"
Even with the AI providing the tools to fabricate evidence, it all gets noisier to anyone searching for truth...
I thought Ronnie didn't care about haters... 🙄
Just imagine for a second… that you are an ex-con who has done nothing but try to move on from a stupid mistake you’ve made and learn from it, only to have muppets like Fantano continuously slander your name and try to paint you as something you’re not. I don’t know, but personally that would really piss me off and at certain point I would want to fight back. You can’t go around assaulting people so the next best option is to use the legal system to make them stfu. It seems more than reasonable to me.
Ronnie acts like a big guy while also being a humongous baby.
Ronnie radke is an internet bully, and him suing anyone is laughable.
I really appreciate this video and your objective and mature perspective. This is good journalism, not click-bait, not hateful, just straight up trying to understand both sides. And when you do that you realize that Ronnie is basically reacting to people being agressive. Even if he has, imho, a childish way of dealing with it, he's not wrong.
Thank you for your quality content over the years man, I really appreciate genuine and kind people like you on the internet, very VERY rare these days.
I hope I'll get to meet you on the road, if I'm lucky enough, so I can tell you how much I appreciate you while enjoying a beer.
The title was absolutely click bait, and his comment “I better be careful he might sue me” fed into his narrative of the title of his video.
@@Halyanth it's not click-bait, it's literally what's happening, Ronnie is suing stupid and lazy content creators. And the way he tackles and talks about the situation is the most respectful and objective I've seen on youtube.
I still don't quite understand why everybody hates Radke so much. While I enjoy his music, I also fully acknowledge that he's a pretty big idiot at times, which he even says himself, but everytime I see something negative said about him, it's always just.. not true or something he's apologized for years ago. The guy is human and makes mistakes, who cares.
Having seen Fantano actually outright lie in other videos, this does not surprise me at all.
Do I hate the new album, yes.
Would I lie or even accuse somebody unless I was there, or it was out there for everyone to see? Hell no
Picture this. Insecure people stop attacking Ronny on the internet. He wouldn’t make a single post about anyone. He only responds to people that attack him daily. People defame, insult, and straight up lie about him and then people surprised pikachu face when he claps back. Genuinely anyone who hates on him has no concept of reality or are jumping on a hate train with no premise of why.
I mean from what they say is that he deserves the hate that he gets. Or that it shouldn’t come as a surprise. As well the argument that him showing his nice side, is him controlling the narrative. What narrative? I’m sure a lot don’t know about his donations. And other things that will make him look more complex.
Can he be an asshole at times? Sure, Iike most people we can be a bit too much. Is he an asshole? No, I don’t think so. There is difference between those two. And he definitely falls in the former. From the amount of rabbit hole I went about Ronnie Radke’s life. That is my final opinion.
And whether one reads this comment props to you. Because once again I wrote too much.
@@veraanastasiaramirezrozas1633 Claiming he deserves to be berated on the internet because the loudest people cry when he has an opinion that isn’t the same as theirs is just blatantly stupid. Cant start a thought with forming a thought from someone else’s opinion. He talks back when talked too. Love or Hate. “They” that hate him and try to drag the false narratives that have been proven false with no consequences is disgusting. For the people that hate him just block the account. Problem fuckin solved. But instead they spread slander and hate and cry when he responds. 🤷🏻♂️
@@veraanastasiaramirezrozas1633 additionally thank you for being an adult and having a conversation like an adult and not a 5 year old. 😂
@@sndsilence5504 You’re welcome!🙂
Radke simp detected. Nonce status confirmed.
Tank, this is why you’re one of the best. You put out the facts and you don’t bullshit, even if you don’t love the dude, you are still looking at the facts and looking at the core problem. Big respect man.
Fantano crossed the line and lied in a really seriously career ending way for someone.
You can’t basically call someone a grapist these days Willy Billy because that will trash a reputation irrevocably.
It's funny how the new album is all about Ronnie being mad at modern media hating him and trying to silence him or whatever, and as soon as someone says something about him, he sues. Seems a bit hypocritical imo
You don’t see the difference between “someone being mean” and “someone accusing you of being a rapist”, genius???
@John_McDonnell_76 nope. It's internet yapping through and though. If Ronnie was held responsible for everything he's said, he'd be cooked. Dude was in prison damn near 2 decades ago and has continued to be involved in injuring his fans and starting shit with his peers in the industry.
No one cares what he's done, you either like him or you don't. Doesn't matter what Fantano says.
When a prosecutor says "I'm pressing charges because of a UA-cam review" then I'll take it seriously.
Commenting on something and the way some people are doing it lately made me realize that some of us really should rethink few things in their life (and maybe log out from the internet for a while). It's something a bit similar about what I was talking today with my friends, making some rude/inappropriate comments about other people and thinking like it's not a big deal, it was always like that, other people are saying things too... So? Do we really need to do this? I mean, it's nothing wrong in not liking (or liking too much) some things, looks, people, but the way we make comments make a big difference. That's why I try to think how I'd feel if I read/hear comments like this about me. You can say that you don't like this or that, but is there really a need to say "this thing/guy suck!"? Do people really feel better after that? Not to mention it's better to do research first before we say something really harsh about others.
Anyway, remember kids, stay hydrated and drink a lot water, so you won't have time for any kind of drama, because you'll be too busy peeing.
If Ronnie doesn't want people constantly talking about how he's a shitty person maybe he should just stop being a shitty person.
But he is not though he just roast people that talk shit about him is not even that serious... but people keep bringing up horrible lies about him... he should defend himself
Using negligence as your defense is beyond wild.
Imagine if a civil engineer tries to defend himself with "Yeah, that bridge collapsed, my honour, but I didn't really look into the plans that much, so I can't be to blame for that." after a bridge collapsed due to his plans being wrong.
Sure, buddy.
Great video. Very fair takes, Tank
I’m for Fantano getting sued.
Nothing wrong with having an opinion and making reviews, but Fantano has taken it a step further too far and needs this as a wake up call