Why Was SBK 22 A Flop?
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- Today I decided to go back to SBK 22 and see why it was so hated.
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It was a good game IMO. The big problem was it looked pretty similar to GP22-21... Not only visually but also the gameplay looked basically the same as the lastest motogp games, at least from looking at the videos shown/released by milestone... it gave the feel of being just a ''reskin'' of MotoGP (which kinda is...). That plus the lack of content (600cc, 300cc, more tracks, etc) made most people skip this title.
On the other hand, if you went for it and actually tried the game (despite the lack of content ofc) you would find the gameplay had its own essence and unique feel which to me made it very enjoyable. I actually had a lot of fun racing on this game with sacredmeerkat and Jack Hammer.
IMO, maybe if milestone dropped this game as a good solid DLC for MotoGP or RIDE would've made more sense perhaps? since the content they had clearly wasn't enough for a full game...
Interesting to hear your perspective as a top level player, I do remember seeing you doing a lot of videos and streams on the game.
Is there a setup or something that dials out the issues?
I do agree the lack of content was an issue, I'd imagine the licence demands a full game though so I don't think they could do a DLC. A good compromise would be selling it at a cheaper price, rather than a full priced game
@@BIKERGaming Tbh stock setting felt pretty good. I remember fiddling with the setup and eventually found something that made the bike feel even better. I'm sure I took some screenshots of the setup... I can send them later if you're interested.
I actually really enjoy the physics on the game, I liked that the brakes were worse cus that's just like real life. The only thing that I really dislike in the game are the kerbs, they're really really bad
Totally agree with you!
Yeah the kerbs really do suck lol
Huh? Motorcycle brakes, on your average road superbike, are incredible! My BMW has older M4 monoblocs and they stop prison speeds, in no time at all. Even something like a 765 RS or Duke 890R is packing some of the latest from Brembo paired with a Brembo MCS - and they stop you like hitting a brick wall. SBK bikes are on another level again - so I'd love to know what brakes you have been using 😂
@@TheScortUK I'm not talking about brakes in general, I'm comparing them to the MotoGP carbon discs
WTF ? That’s not how breaks work in real life riding
I really wish they'd made the handling correct for superbikes and added historic SBK content. Even if it was still based on MotoGP games I feel like they could have done enough to continue the series alongside MotoGP instead of just leaving us with the 2022 season
100%, if they had tried to make it a good game it could've been great. It'd have been fine that it was similar to MotoGP as that's what you'd expect, they just made it so much worse
I was really hoping there would be an SBK23 with all classes, as I prefer SBK over MotoGP. I'd be happy with a copy of MotoGP 23 career / story but with SBK bike handling & performance. It would be a real shame if they left SBK due to them half arsing it on this one and using low sales as an excuse, low sales / flop is a by-product of them half arsing it in the first place. If they are shelving it they should pass it onto a developer who wants to make a decent game.
100% agree, they half arsed it and then wondered why it didn't sell. It could be a fantastic game if they added more content, fixed the bugs and actually tuned the physics and ai
I would have liked to race the SSP category bikes, Ducati, Triumph, Yamaha, Kawasaki, MV, etc...I didn't know that the game didn't have it when I bought it!
Oh damn, that must've been annoying!
It seems pretty lazy that it didn't have any other categories, even the previous year's SSP category like they did in some of the older SBK titles would've been better than nothing
Also noticed your brake input, they're really weird, why do you like go on/off on them? Personally what I do is I press the left trigger really hard and then trail brake into the corner and I use the rear brake at the same time, when I'm upright that is
Yeah it's a weird technique, I don't actually notice I'm doing at it but it's something you notice on the telemetry. I believe I subconsciously developed it to mitigate the stoppies on MotoGP 20, I do brake like it in every game though and this is the only one I find the brakes to be poor.
It's an almost universal complaint so I doubt it's all down to my braking but you're certainly right that it doesn't help lol
Big shame no one plays this game anymore, I really enjoy it to this day, played it today actually
Interesting, nice to see someone enjoyed the game :)
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My Personal Best Bet That Milestone Has a downfall on its Motorbike Games Ngl, Honesty I Would Imagine Nacon Would Develop a Better WorldSBK Game, Cuz They Made the Physics of the "TT Isle Of Man: Ride on the 3" Game More Realistic for Both Supersport Bikes & Superbikes, But However They Did Had a Downfall On Its First 3 Motorbike Games which is TT Isle of Man: Ride on the Edge 1, TT Isle of Man: Ride on the Edge 2, & RIMS Racing, But the Crazy News is that Nacon Has Took Over the MXGP Video Game License From Milestone, And Which I Hope They'll make it a better game
Interesting, I hadn’t heard that they lost the MXGP licence.
It would be good to see some more competition, I think Nacon still have a way to go based on my experiences with TT IOM 3 and RiMS but there’s certainly some potential there
The thing that put the game down for me was that it doesn't look like a SBK game: they took MotoGP physics and generic behavior and said "ok, change some numbers and make them slow". SBKs are not "slow MotoGP", they are different: they give different feelings, they move around differently. What a shame, we really need a good SBK game
Definitely, I think the SBK mods for GP BIKES does a great job of showcasing that. Hell, even the RIDE games do a better job at having superbikes.
I really hope if they make another it's actually good...
The incompetence of milestone never sees too amaze me
They just set the bar lower every year 😂
They shouldn't have made a WorldSBK game, what they should have done is made a Ride5 Worldsbk Career DLC. There was no real career progression no SSP300, or SSP600 it just looked like a cheap cash grab.
A cheap cash grab pretty much sums it up, I imagine the licence says it must be a full game rather than a DLC so that's probably why it wasn't a DLC for Ride
I still play MotoGP™21 today and it lacks a lot of PS4 Pro optimisation, lagging and sometimes even crashing. When I brake in a race, the AI come and crush me or they get thrown off if I straighten the bike. And I play on 70% and they throw me off in the corners. When I touch the kerb in premier class, I get thrown off the moment I even apply throttle. It is very frustrating. And why did they add the logo Cutscene after crashes? Especially with poor optimisation and lag, the game slows you down from respawning. If you collect an AI in the crash, they respawn faster than you even with bike recovery disabled. The ragdoll physics is so weird too, unlike MotoGP 20. Worst part is they removed Historic Mode, even though we can use the historic bikes, but I liked the daily challenges. It's a lot like Superbike 22. Also, the first SBK game made by Milestone is Superbike 2001.
Not played a MotoGP game on console for a few years now, sad to hear they are so poorly optimised.
Ah SBK 2001, I knew it was sometime around then
Indeed, it's a shame. Watching the WSBK this weekend at Portimao and last race on Aragon made me appreciate how much more interesting it is compared to the current MotoGP season. Yea, Ducati are still the fastest but at least it's not 5 Ducati teams from 1st to 10th position... There are lot more battles and overtakes. Far less incidents and race interrupts. And it's not like the difference in pace is that big. On Portimao they were 1-2 seconds slower than MotoGP bikes... Even the Moto2 and Moto3 races are far more interesting than MotoGP currently.
Yeah the Aero is ruining MotoGP racing at the minute, SBK is a great showcase of it as there's little to no aero and the racing is great!
And like you mention, they're not going slowly either
I just installed the game and spent a couple of hours for it. I actually like the game. Bike sounds are better than in MotoGP, in my opinion, riding feels good, visuals are ok for the game if it's age (I play on PS5). I actually like it.
I wanted to like it but I couldn't do it. Very similar to Rims Racing that game had alot of potential
Probably a decent comparison tbh, neither lived up to the hype
Just brought it for 3.99 steal so ima give it a try when I get up
For that much, it's probably worth a go tbh.
How did you find the game?
I found the brakes horrible in moto gp 22 too. Moto gp 23 a little better but still too unrealisitic.
They were odd in GP22 as well but still seemed much more powerful. The brakes have been messed up since GP20, they freaked out because the bikes were too fast and just messed them up since
@BIKERGaming it's annoying, as one of the most impressive things about riding a real modern superbike, for example, is the stopping power. The games just don't get that aspect across in a realistic manner. I also find they can be real pigs to turn in the game. Maybe I should just stick to the real thing 🤔
I’ve just had my first experience with GP Bikes, after all ways being a console guy and can honestly say it has the best physics compared to the rest, ok the graphics aren’t the best and lack of AI let it down slightly, but for the feeling it is the best.
Currently I can only use the 600 cause I can’t install the mods correctly, complete noob when it comes to pc’s 😢
Yeah that's the only problem with GP BIKES, installing mods can be difficult.
If you join the GP BIKES discord server someone may be able to help you out:
discord.gg/EVneaAK8
@@BIKERGaming Cheers buddy, I’ll give it a whirl 🍺
I bought this game 90% off on Steam, at that point it wwas actually worth it. 😂
In fairness, it’s probably worth it at that point 😂
SBK '22 was just a damn screenpack from Milestone. If anyone has worked on MUGEN they'll know what I'm talking about.
Just googled that, MUGEN seems like a pretty interesting game engine
@@BIKERGaming lol yes it is 😁
SBK 22 need to improve much more just like MotoGP 22 in terms of handling, speed and gameplay. I really do not like the handling of this game..
Yeah the physics are just a bit off in this game
You probably apply too much brake.. I like the physic better than Moto GP22. It's less hard than Moto GP 23. Probably the sales number wasn't that good but they didn't put too much effort either. I don,t mind to have a copy of the current Moto GP as long the SBK performance is simulated. I hope we will have SBK24. With all the changes between pilot and teams, that will be interesting to play with thos new teams.
Definitely agree, if they'd put more effort in it would've sold much better.
I'd be surprised if we get a SBK 24 honestly, but hopefully if we do it has more content and has less bugs
SBK 22 is very bad in every way. I hope you can make a Mod that fixes some of the problems you mentioned. Thank you.
There is a guy that has been working on a mod to fix the stuff, I may get to test it at some point and see if it works
I was thinking about buying this game...
Unless you really want to play a World SBK game, I'd go for MotoGP 23 or RIDE 5. RIDE 5 has superbikes in along with many other bikes so it's a much better value.
@@BIKERGaming I have Motogp23, but not Ride5. I have played Ride4. In comparison how's Ride5? My only cons about Motogp23 is the bike's gyroscopic tendency to sit up rather than letting the rear wheel spin out if I'm rough on the corner exit. You feel too invincible, no highside. Motogp21 and 22 would punish your heavy gas by wheel spin and crash. Motogp23 felt too safe. Catered to not let you fall. How's Ride5?
I've actually grown to love this game, turn all assists off, including joint brakes, set physics to pro, the rest is technique, you can drastically shorten braking distance by holding the front brake down and by pumping the back brake, if you still need to brake later you can pull back on the steering stick too, I've actually put down motogp 2017 an 2019, to play this as it's so difficult but rewarding, it's really grown on me but I think most people just thought too hard, bomb it off!!!
It's nice to hear you're getting some enjoyment out of the game. Maybe I'll have to try that technique some time
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diogo moreira guarantees jump to moto2 and signs with italtrans for the 2024 season
Yeah, should be a good move for him