Alleged is an adjective that's used to describe things that have been claimed. It's most often used to describe an action or situation, especially a wrongdoing or crime, that someone claims happened but that has not been confirmed or proven.
Too bad our government thinks otherwise. The problem is one of mindset among our people. Too many people think the government exists to protect us from one another when it merely exists to serve us and protect us from external threats.
Criminals can possess weapons at will, but we must ASK PERMISSION to save our own lives and jump through hoops to do this legally, it's such a joke. The moment anyone points a gun at you it's an imminent threat, period.
There's absolutely no way people will hand over their legal firearms. It is absolutely nonsense to hand in your firearm in a country that's riddled with illegal firearms. Own it and pray to your ancestors that you never have to use it. Make sure it is your absolute last option in any situation... BUT do not hand it back to the police. No ways.
Yes each south african who is fit enough mentally to protect themselves and there family especially since we have a large number of undocumented immigrants roaming our streets and communities. Arm ourselves to protect ourselves yes please
Criminals not only carry guns, they carry guns the lawful citizen cannot obtain legally, what's the point of making automatic guns illegal when criminals still get their hands on automatic guns but civilians can't
You said it... Criminals run around with guns and ammunition stolen from police and military, and we must buy whatever fits our budget, only have a limited number of rounds, etc etc etc...
Statistics are very clear. Look at the USA as an example. States with stricter gun laws and control have the highest rates of crime and violence. States that have more relaxed gun laws and control have the lowest rates of crimes and violence. Unfortunately South African laws are pro criminal pro crime. It makes sense, if upstanding and moral people were administering the country, there would be upstanding and moral laws. SA has criminals administering the country hence the pro criminal pro crime laws. Relax the gun laws and control and stop the unnecessarily long and purposefully frustrating process of acquiring a firearm and watch SA become a crime free nation….but government can’t have that.
its a double edged sword. so many south Africans are drug addicts and alcoholics and just generally immoral people with little impulse control. relaxing gun laws has to be done responsibly as well cos too many nut crackers around who may do crazy stuff. the solution would be to lengthen prison sentences and to sequester criminal to another province somewhere far removed from civil society. a place like orania but for criminals. the can farm and help pay back to the country by helping with food security.
Newzroom Afrika must get new reporters asking better questions. Do you really think people will give up their guns, with the crime rate as it is? Get real!!!
As a black American who has been considering visiting SA but hesitating due to the crime, I totally approve this message. Until the police and government get a handle on crime, I totally approve of means of protecting yourself. These criminals seem to be the same everywhere in the world.
I’ve never heard of such a stupid question. Look how legal gun owners helped police during lockdown . So law abiding citizens must beg the criminals not to shoot them . Ja right.
Ok take all the guns away. How do you level the playing field with 3 or 7 attackers? Has gun free south africa ever thought of this or are they up for just call the police to bring their guns. If someone try’s to cut you off to stop you. I am expecting the worst and need to be ready. Think about it it’s not hard.
Four reasons to own firearms. 1 as a deterent to a tyranical goverment, thiusand of citzens have been murdered by thier goverments after disarment, nazi germany, russia, combodia the list goes on and on. 2. The police have been useless at protecting citzens in this country, many are criminals themselves so how do the weak and elderly defend themselves from gangs of attackers. 3. Hunting and sport shooting employee many thousands and bring in millions of revenue to the country 4. Citzens famalier with firearms can be quickly and easily be teained to defend a country againt a foreign invasion. In conclusion only the deluisional, the wannbe tyrants and the plain stupid thinks disarming law abiding citizens is s good idea.
That was absolutely clean self defense with no justification. As a competent conceal carry you are allowed to conduct lethal force against any unlawful attack if your life is threatened to die.
The sad reality is that our justice system protects criminals. The risk seems higher with a firearm, but it should be a personal decision. We are in trouble as a Country!
All people should be allowed to owne a gun for self protection. Too many criminals are running loose in our country thanks to our usless government and lack of good police.
Yes, if you are deemed mentally fit, no if you have a criminal record, for assault..farm owner's should be permitted to own at least 1 AR, handgun, rifle, 65x55, 308 etc
criminals don't ask permission or get permits for guns. the system is favouring criminals. the humanity of the criminals is given more value than the victims they've already unalived.
If you remove guns from gun owner- what is next? Remove all kitchen knives , then forks and spoons? Criminals will always find something to use to commit a crime.
The interviewer is very vague on who those are who are encouraging people to give up their firearms. Well let me help him, the Government is in no position to even request people to hand in their legally obtained firearms as the Gov's own infighting resulted in KZN turning into a civil war zone without rule or law during the July riots where the police lost 100% control and the SANDF was a disaster only arriving heavily under equipped and unorganized 3 days after the unrest stopped. The other groups that are encouraging us to hand in our firearms should not even operate in the capacity they are in SA, foreign funded NGO's with zero grassroot support should not be dealing in these matters. Also, the biggest supplier of firearms to gangs are SAPS themselves, so handing in your firearm, will most likely result in your firearm not reaching the smelters as it would have already been taken by a SAPS member and sold to the criminals just like we encountered with the amnesty where 1000's of amnesty arms ended up in criminal hands.
The state cannot protect me or my property with its laws, so i have no choice but protecting myself up to the moment the law can arrive to protect me, and i have the right to prevent the law being broken with force if needed.
Why is it this still being debated if this guy did not have an equalizing force even though 3-1 we would have had them report a senseless murder hijacking with people crying due to the loss of innocent life.
The right to self preservation and the protection of one self and one's family, requires the right tools to do so. In the case of self-defence, an appropriate firearm is the only logical choice. In our badly crime-ridden country where many crimes are violent, what other choice do law-abiding citizens have?
Yes, legal firearms should be encouraged. Current government want to disarm legal firearm owners and do absolutely nothing to remove illegal firearms from criminals hands. Unfortunately large parts of law enforcement are also criminals and we can not allow them to have the only firearms.
This should not even be a question in a country like south africa where people are murdered everyday, our homes are broken into every minute/hour as well as our sisters and mothers being sexually assaulted and beaten, we need to be prepared to protect ourselves and our families
Criminals take over , they know the law is on there side . Fight back. We can never be gunfree . Criminal Procedure Act , gives you the right to protect your self.
It should be a must that one owns a gun
Yes I was attacked in my kitchen at 18:20 Monday afternoon by 3 attackers and I used my gun to save myself....It absolutely protected me...
Well done 👍
Goed so hoop hulle almal is dood
Glad you had one.
You saved someone's life without knowing.
Are the bullets okay?
If the state is unable to protect its citizens then its citizens surely have the God-given right to protect themselves, their family and liberty?
Yes, yes and hell yes to owning your own gun.
Licenced gun owners are not the ones commiting crime.
i have the right to defend myself
Why do they report "alleged hijacker"shot by gunowner?
why do they not report as hijackers ällegedly" shot by civilian.
Yes. It's funny how news agencies pick and choose to use words. It's almost as if they're trying to push certain sentiments in society.
They getting paid by soros to use certain words and GFSA
Alleged is an adjective that's used to describe things that have been claimed. It's most often used to describe an action or situation, especially a wrongdoing or crime, that someone claims happened but that has not been confirmed or proven.
@@mandlaluthuli6640 Then it is alleged for both parties. One cannot picj and choose who allegedly did what.
because its politically incorrect and it does not correspond with their woke pronouns
Those 3 robbers wont try that again!!
😂😂😂😂😂
Why are we debating this? Would they rather have those people be victims to crime, probably killed and no one would have cared
That is what they want actually while these fools cannot handle crime. Criminals are like VIPs in this society.
Fighting fire with fire will make things worse.
@@mashobane6177 That is one incorrect thing to say.
Because the Soros agenda is now using mass shootings in its anti-gun narratives to try to equate it to the mental health mass shootings in the US.
@@mashobane6177 thats how they put out bush fires or rampant forest fires.
Let's all buy them
I got two licensed already. Let's go!
Exactly my thought
I believe we must own guns
I am heartened by the comment section. Every human has the right to keep and bear arms.
Too bad our government thinks otherwise. The problem is one of mindset among our people. Too many people think the government exists to protect us from one another when it merely exists to serve us and protect us from external threats.
Why don't we remove the armed protection teams for politicians for a couple of years and see how it goes before we disarm law abiding citizens?
Agreed
Yeah, I agree
Asking stupid questions. People NEED to own guns
You are more stupid for thinking people owning guns is the solution.
@@multiplier___part solution
@@multiplier___ imagine getting killed especially with your own gun surely there are better solutions than every tom and dik owning a gun
@multiplier___ you think criminals will hand over their guns if civilians are not armed? 😂😂
@@Wilderness_summit You really think guns passed around to civilians is the solution?
No debate needed. Guns for self defense are a must in this country. If it's you or them, you should be able to protect yourself
Criminals can possess weapons at will, but we must ASK PERMISSION to save our own lives and jump through hoops to do this legally, it's such a joke. The moment anyone points a gun at you it's an imminent threat, period.
Without doubt
Well done. We should have it constitutionally fortified and teach people about how to properly use and care for firearms.
There's absolutely no way people will hand over their legal firearms. It is absolutely nonsense to hand in your firearm in a country that's riddled with illegal firearms. Own it and pray to your ancestors that you never have to use it. Make sure it is your absolute last option in any situation... BUT do not hand it back to the police. No ways.
Even if its handed to police.It could get stolen or sold from their armory or evidence
@@ismaeelakb Well that has happened already, Col. Chris Prinsloo scandal where 1000's of amnesty guns were sold to gangs by SAPS.
Yes each south african who is fit enough mentally to protect themselves and there family especially since we have a large number of undocumented immigrants roaming our streets and communities. Arm ourselves to protect ourselves yes please
Criminals not only carry guns, they carry guns the lawful citizen cannot obtain legally, what's the point of making automatic guns illegal when criminals still get their hands on automatic guns but civilians can't
You said it... Criminals run around with guns and ammunition stolen from police and military, and we must buy whatever fits our budget, only have a limited number of rounds, etc etc etc...
Statistics are very clear. Look at the USA as an example. States with stricter gun laws and control have the highest rates of crime and violence. States that have more relaxed gun laws and control have the lowest rates of crimes and violence. Unfortunately South African laws are pro criminal pro crime. It makes sense, if upstanding and moral people were administering the country, there would be upstanding and moral laws. SA has criminals administering the country hence the pro criminal pro crime laws. Relax the gun laws and control and stop the unnecessarily long and purposefully frustrating process of acquiring a firearm and watch SA become a crime free nation….but government can’t have that.
its a double edged sword. so many south Africans are drug addicts and alcoholics and just generally immoral people with little impulse control. relaxing gun laws has to be done responsibly as well cos too many nut crackers around who may do crazy stuff. the solution would be to lengthen prison sentences and to sequester criminal to another province somewhere far removed from civil society. a place like orania but for criminals. the can farm and help pay back to the country by helping with food security.
Its Our Right to Protect Ourself...the Firearms Control Act must be Reviewed and NGOs like Gunfree South Africa, should be Banned
Spot on!
Newzroom Afrika must get new reporters asking better questions. Do you really think people will give up their guns, with the crime rate as it is? Get real!!!
Owning a firearm should be compulsory in SA.
They should be handed out to law-abiding citizens for free.
Love it❤😂🎉
Liberal media clowns.
I wonder if law abiding citizens could get the same deal for guns that criminals get from SAPS
Well done the motorist !! That's what we need !
Yes, people should own guns
If we all obtain guns, theres no way they can stop all of us.
As a black American who has been considering visiting SA but hesitating due to the crime, I totally approve this message. Until the police and government get a handle on crime, I totally approve of means of protecting yourself. These criminals seem to be the same everywhere in the world.
Since the gvt fails to disarm criminals, it should be a birthright to own a legal firearm. Of coz after assessing if the citizen is fit to own it.
I"D RATHER HAVE A GUN AND NOT NEED IT,THAN NEED A GUN AND NOT HAVE IT.
said by a famous gun philosopher😊😊😊.
I’ve never heard of such a stupid question. Look how legal gun owners helped police during lockdown . So law abiding citizens must beg the criminals not to shoot them . Ja right.
The right to self defense by the most effective means possible is a human right. Firearm rights are human rights.
Gun laws need to be relaxed. Law abiding citizens have to jump through hoops to defend themselves.
Ok take all the guns away. How do you level the playing field with 3 or 7 attackers? Has gun free south africa ever thought of this or are they up for just call the police to bring their guns. If someone try’s to cut you off to stop you. I am expecting the worst and need to be ready. Think about it it’s not hard.
Gun Free SA doesn't think... Period...
The joke is that GFSA members admitted that they rely on ARMED Response for their security
Yes
Are you crazy?I will never hand over my gun,NEVER
Relax lol
@@multiplier___never,ever,ever ,ever?
Four reasons to own firearms.
1 as a deterent to a tyranical goverment, thiusand of citzens have been murdered by thier goverments after disarment, nazi germany, russia, combodia the list goes on and on.
2. The police have been useless at protecting citzens in this country, many are criminals themselves so how do the weak and elderly defend themselves from gangs of attackers.
3. Hunting and sport shooting employee many thousands and bring in millions of revenue to the country
4. Citzens famalier with firearms can be quickly and easily be teained to defend a country againt a foreign invasion.
In conclusion only the deluisional, the wannbe tyrants and the plain stupid thinks disarming law abiding citizens is s good idea.
It's a right. We won't let ourselves be in the hands of the state or criminals for our own protection
That was absolutely clean self defense with no justification. As a competent conceal carry you are allowed to conduct lethal force against any unlawful attack if your life is threatened to die.
We live in a violent society …. You have to be able to protect yourself from criminals.
People should have a chance to defend themselves
How is this even a question? Everyone should have the means to protect themselves
The sad reality is that our justice system protects criminals. The risk seems higher with a firearm, but it should be a personal decision. We are in trouble as a Country!
My uncle shot a guy who broke into his house dead but now my uncle is in jail now for defending himself
All people should be allowed to owne a gun for self protection. Too many criminals are running loose in our country thanks to our usless government and lack of good police.
Do you think the criminals will hand over their guns.
Guns are a necessity to responsible law abiding citizens just as it is with securing ones home with security fence or bugler gates.
Well Done!!! Fellow South Africans : take note! Here is a great example!
yes
Yes, if you are deemed mentally fit, no if you have a criminal record, for assault..farm owner's should be permitted to own at least 1 AR, handgun, rifle, 65x55, 308 etc
Unlawful attack can be done with a large aray of weapons including rocks sticks knives picks shovels motor vehicles dogs etc etc
criminals don't ask permission or get permits for guns. the system is favouring criminals. the humanity of the criminals is given more value than the victims they've already unalived.
Law abiding citizens have a right to protect themselves. In SA this requires gun ownership with appropriate training and practice
If you remove guns from gun owner- what is next? Remove all kitchen knives , then forks and spoons?
Criminals will always find something to use to commit a crime.
Yep. I can go to builders warehouse and buy a panga. Where do they drsw the line
The right to self defence goes hand in hand with the right to life and responsibility to protect that life.
Gunned down? Bit emotive what?
The interviewer is very vague on who those are who are encouraging people to give up their firearms. Well let me help him, the Government is in no position to even request people to hand in their legally obtained firearms as the Gov's own infighting resulted in KZN turning into a civil war zone without rule or law during the July riots where the police lost 100% control and the SANDF was a disaster only arriving heavily under equipped and unorganized 3 days after the unrest stopped. The other groups that are encouraging us to hand in our firearms should not even operate in the capacity they are in SA, foreign funded NGO's with zero grassroot support should not be dealing in these matters. Also, the biggest supplier of firearms to gangs are SAPS themselves, so handing in your firearm, will most likely result in your firearm not reaching the smelters as it would have already been taken by a SAPS member and sold to the criminals just like we encountered with the amnesty where 1000's of amnesty arms ended up in criminal hands.
NGO's. Usually funded by the west. Such as those funding the alphabet gang. The reporter knows. Quite evident in how he phrases his questions.
The news anchor should call a police station and ask them to send help to the news park. Let's see how long they take.
The state cannot protect me or my property with its laws, so i have no choice but protecting myself up to the moment the law can arrive to protect me, and i have the right to prevent the law being broken with force if needed.
Mankweng police took my fathers gun without a valid reason. By the way my father had licence for it and he bought it with his earned money.
The answer is - OBVIOUSLY!
Why is there so little known about the law in SA by citizens?
Does anybody know how one gets a legal firearm?The procedure!!!!
Yes
@saamstaan6540 Could you please tell me where i can get help.
Gunlicense SA can help
@@dangrows_za4798 Thank you Sir.
Well done 👏🏽 ✔️ 👍🏽 👌🏽 justice ⚖️ done
The guest clearly states that he is in the Wsstern Cape but NewzroomAfrika writes Johannesburg
Are you daft ? So what you are saying ,the criminals should have guns and the law abiding citizens must be disarmed .
why is this a debate in the first place?
Why is it this still being debated if this guy did not have an equalizing force even though 3-1 we would have had them report a senseless murder hijacking with people crying due to the loss of innocent life.
So common it wouldn't even have been reported. Just another statistic.
The country with people owing guns will never have peace... like it or not.
Guns are not the problem the problem is crime people are not working,so we have to own guns because we are safe on our street
Debate if we must protect ourselves frm thieves n rapists 😂😂😂 our law is so useless, criminals have more rights den innocent victims.
Yes people should own guns LEGALLY in order to protect themselves and their Family members.. END OF STORY
The right to self preservation and the protection of one self and one's family, requires the right tools to do so. In the case of self-defence, an appropriate firearm is the only logical choice. In our badly crime-ridden country where many crimes are violent, what other choice do law-abiding citizens have?
If everyone is required to be armed criminals would think twice
De bra ht n mooi job gedoen
Hyt de taxpayers klomp geld gesafe Ek salute hom vr de goeie werk Nog 3 vuilgate van de pad af
"Al 3 het mooi kop skote gekry, die bra het nie hul kak gevat nie, hul dae van crime is verby!"
Glad they are sorted out🎉
why is it even a debate lmao
We are left to defend ourselves in SA. Very SAD!!
The root cause, solve the root cause otherwise the problem will persist. Owning a gun won't save you from a well planned heist or robbery.
YES YES YES
No debate. We do and we will
Is this even a question? It should be mandatory to own a gun for self protection.
Yes, legal firearms should be encouraged. Current government want to disarm legal firearm owners and do absolutely nothing to remove illegal firearms from criminals hands. Unfortunately large parts of law enforcement are also criminals and we can not allow them to have the only firearms.
Give that man 3 bells
Good job bro
If the country doesn't allow guns ...no one will attack you with a gun.
I wish our laws were same as USA
News room is a joke, instead of celebrating the removal of 3 criminals from society, they want to celebrate the removal of firearms. 😂😂
This should not even be a question in a country like south africa where people are murdered everyday, our homes are broken into every minute/hour as well as our sisters and mothers being sexually assaulted and beaten, we need to be prepared to protect ourselves and our families
Criminals take over , they know the law is on there side .
Fight back.
We can never be gunfree . Criminal Procedure Act , gives you the right to protect your self.
Should you have sun screen when being in the sun? What kind of question is this?
Why are they debating this!!!
The real question is....would criminals leave you alone because you now don't have a gun and they feel sorry for you?
Where are all the missing guns that are missing from sadf ?
All citizens should be armed. Lets even the playing field and allow good people to protect others!
What is meant by a gun free society? Is it only a select few to have guns or a complete gun free?