Climate Delay and the Fossil Fuel Industry | Ketan Joshi
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- Опубліковано 7 лис 2023
- Welcome to the sophisticated world of greenwashing.
From outright climate denial to tactics of delay, the status quo is rapidly responding to the eco-crisis-just not in the way we need it to. Rather than throw money at an energy transition, tackle runaway capitalism and tax polluters, Big Oil and governments alike are muddying the waters of discourse to eke out every last drop of fossil fuel.
Ketan Joshi joins me to explain how this happened. A climate researcher and communications consultant, Ketan is one of the most astute guardians of our future, prolifically revealing greenwashing tactics used to dupe the public by private and state institutions. In this episode, he reveals these and the actions that the fossil fuel industry took to delay national energy transitions, the link between wealth, power and influence, and the root of the inequitable distribution of resources.
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Why is the world in crises and what can we do about it? Easy - human ego, the sense of separateness leading to fear & resentment. Not knowing that you are not your thoughts, feelings and past conditioning, but that your true self is one with all existence. That is good enough for anybody. So, what can we do about it? Mass education program in school and in media to bring people to this knowledge so they stop causing problems for themselves and others.
it's a deep psychophysiological blockage - our original human culture, the San Bushmen, from 170,000 years ago, required all males to do Tshoma training in spiritual healing to increase N/om as female healing energy. We have no idea what we are missing as modern humans. The San Bushmen are still around - you can see interviews with their female spiritual healers on the Brad Keeney Center youtube channel.
I am sorry to say, but I personally find the statement that we need to save the planet, blatantly wrong.
We are battling to save ourselves not the planet. Gaia is totally safe.
She was doing ok without us and the same will be when we eventually return to her earthly embrace.
Note to myself.... mute the first 1 min.
That said, Thank you for uploading and sharing.
Thanks Rachel for all your good work! You really have your heart in the right place.
I wonder how many people that castigate the fossil fuel companies, drive petrol or diesel vehicles, take vacations that use airplanes, fly to COP meetings either as an attendee or as an journalist, the list is unfortunately endless.
Even using digital media uses fossil fuels, if you go as far back as to the mined material for the device you are using, to the servers, cooper wiring, once again the list is endless.
28:40 but he still flies.
If we really want to make a change, we'll need to live like they did pre industrial revolution or we dwindle down to less than 2 billion.
Until captured energy from the sun / wind can mine, smelt, transport..... to the standard of living that we have in 2023, fossil fuels will reign supreme.
Do we need to go green, Not to save the planet but ourselves... YES, but we'll need to radically change our mindset.
Slow boat to Papua New Guinea?
Thank you for uploading and sharing.
"Until captured energy from the sun / wind can mine, smelt, transport..... to the standard of living that we have in 2023". That is not going to happen, it cant happen. "If we really want to make a change, we'll need to live like they did pre industrial revolution". This I think will happen. And we will go further "back" in time as time passes, I belive.
@@torsteinholen14 Thank you for taking the time to read my comment and replying.
@@felipearbustopotd When you say "people" please realize in the U.S. a corporation is a legal person while a person on corporate property basically has no rights. The Bill of Rights is used to defend corporations with the legal mandate of profit maximizing. People prefer to live off UNearned income from "investments" - and could care less if that money is from child slave labor or wage-slaves of young females creating their "pleasant shopping" experience. hahaha. So it's a Supply Side structural economics - the Interstate Highway system was created so we could supposedly escape nuclear disasters faster. Cars are required now just because that's how the sprawl is designed. Chicago was built as a company corporate town by the meat-packing industry. Minneapolis was built based on grain milling for agribusiness with Cargill now the world's largest private corporation. Our economy is based on corporate structural Taylorism that Lenin also mimicked for the Soviet Union - it's just a huge machine and each person is just a cog in the machine. Any true changes have to be top-down structural changes but people are so brainwashed to brown-no$e the top of the machine with this idea that "wealth trickles down" - and so people hide in the middle of the herd, hoping to bask in the trickle down brown-No$ing wealth. hahahahaha.
@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 cheers for your reply.
Until human civilization changes it's behavior of consumption and lifestyle, this trend will continue. It's easy to put blame on companies and politicians, but companies are merely suppliers of goods that we consume
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Reductions in emissions mean the economy is shrinking. It can only shrink so much before civil unrest starts.
Thanks, very important and helpful
28:24 if we focus on overconsumption at the extreme end, we might bring the most benefit quickest?
And yes, industrial use is by orders of magnitude higher, yet they support the lifestyle of many.
Perhaps focusing on stopping the war machines, we could instead create more focus on creation via things like food production, children's edification, and care for elders.
Could you please add the link to the 2021 report Ketan mentions extensively? Thanks
Sorry this is late! www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev-environ-012220-011104
Ketan is excellent and has a great grasp of what is needed to make the future better for everyone.
The future is most certainly not going to be better.
@@Withnail1969 being negative certainly won't make things better.
@@tim290280 just sayin.
I just have a question this Climate Denier Professor Happer says Carbon Dioxide although accumulates in the atmosphere (0.04% ) from 400 to 800 PPM the effect on the temperature is not proportional. He says the effect GHG's is just 1% if we duplicate their proportion. Do you have an answer for his assertion? I ask the question because you mention the fossil fuel industry don't care if the emission go two or three times by 2050.
Also, how do you score offshore wind, it uses 8x as much stuff, which uses fossil fuels to make in China. Concrete, Steel, Copper etc. as a Gas power station .
Not to mention the Aerosol Masking Effect that is twice as bad as previously thought as Daniel Rosenfeld's research group proved. These policy wonks REFUSE to engage with the actual science! A 40% decrease in coal "emissions" heats up Earth another 1 degree Celsius average - we're already above 2 degrees celsius global average based on the energy imbalance watts per meter squared.
8x more materials per MW for offshore wind? That sounds very high to me. Do you have a reference? I think 3x more material per MW is more realistic.
Offshore wind gets better capacity factors than onshore wind, and floating wind turbines can get capacity factors over 0.60, so you get significantly more energy per MW of capacity. Another factor is that offshore turbines can grow much larger than onshore turbines, so you reach more efficiency per MW (in terms of cost and materials), and taller towers allow for higher capacity factors.
8x is very generous. 4-5x alone is the capacity factor. And another 5-10x cause of the incredibly low energy density of air/wind. You need aprox. 1666 onshore (1000 offshore) !!! 160m tall 3MW tubines to replace one 1GW power station even without accounting for the grid storage wind needs. 1000 x 3MW x 33% = 1000MW ... 200-300km²!!! To replace ONE 0,25km² power station
Hydrogen in the heating gas, and decades ago the tiny bit of 'maybe' biofuel in gasoline at the pumps.
Perhaps if you study the end the ice age, with particular reference to The Younger Dryas, you will see what a crisis is.
our co2 emission rate is 100 times faster than the natural background rate - so we've already stopped the next stage of global warming as per the Milankovitch Cycle - in fact this rate of CO2 emissions is faster than any time in the past 500 million years on EArth! nice try though.
Quick point. 50 million years aythe average global temperature wad 16 degrees Celsius higher than it is now. My question: Why will 1.5 degrees Celsius higher than the middle of the mini Ice Age (1450 to 1850 )oday be so disastrous?
just stick to your question and maybe someday you'll find the answer for yourself. Meanwhile science engages with the real world - and you can just use googlescholar or arxiv or sci-hub to study more science. Your future is completely open. Enjoy.
Earth's climatic and biotic systems then were adjusted to higher temperatures. Climate change occurred much, much slower than today, on "geological time scales". There were no humans then. Today, humanity's welfare and prosperity hinges on climatic stability. We are pulling the rug from under our feet by jerking the climate at a very high "non-geological" rate.
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We've had the Minoan, Roman, and Medieval warm periods, as well as the little ice age, just in the last 5000 years.
Nothing that we're experiencing now is unusual, we are basically still thawing out of the little ice age that ended around 1850. Technically, we are still in an ice age.
Are you watching the ever increasing chaotic weather we're seeing? A symptom of the changing climate that appears to get nothing but worse each year.
@@jamigaither ok let me give you an example from Ireland. During the storm season 1.9.22 to 31.8.23 we had 2 named storms . In the storm season 2019 to 2020 there were 6 named storms. So far this year we have had 4 named storms so far. What we are experiencing at present are weather events. Climate occurs over centuries and millennia. If what is happening with our weather at present is due to climatic changes will only ever be known with hindsight. Oh quick question for you, is there still summer ice in the attic? I only ask because so called climatologists predicted there would be no summer ice in the Artic Ocean by 2012 🤣🤣🤣
I'm just starting to view this, but from my interaction with Ketan on Twitter, may it rest in peace, I'm certain a question that will be left hanging is why is fossil fuel production increasing, even though renewables cost less?
That "costs less" only applies to local, small-scale, electricity. For anything else, fossil fuels cost less.
@@Bookhermit Or, perhaps demand is made up, price has no effect, and fossil fuel companies are constitutionally unable to transition or stop growing. We are doomed unless we delicense an oil major.
Jevon's paradox....without Draconian measures (which will be needed), we will likely consume all energy made available whether it's renewable or not. I've only started listening, perhaps they covered this.
@@ExtinctionLife Yes. I believe that whatever is produced will be consumed, no matter its price. Ketan does mention some changes in his thinking with regard to fossil fuel companies (he admits they will not change), but then he goes back to reducing demand. I think we have to reduce production, and leave demand to the philosophers.
Population is growing. At least for the time being. Civilization is a heat engine, and every individual civilization unit is a heat engine.
Pretending that Planned Obsolescence does not exist does not help.
Where is the data on the annual depreciation of automobiles since Sputnik?
Ketan, you should really know that energy transitions go towards more concentrated sources. Wood->Coal->Oil->Gas the obvious next choice is what: an intermittent, geographic specific, disperse, disposable source or nuclear. I wonder what Australia will pick?
That’s not a rule, it is a pattern witnessed in modernity, which is precisely what needs to be problematized. Trying to go against the energy gradients in the biosphere of which we are a part only creates more problems. Increased materials use, increased population, increased land-use and biodiversity decline etc. Solar energy captured by plants is immensely efficient, and possibly sufficient. It is our machines that consume most of the excess energy, and they have become and end to themselves which benefit a minority of the species, but harm everyone. It’s a Faustian bargain.
not to mention the Aerosol Masking Effect as James E. Hansen now emphasizes - a 40% decrease of sulfur pollution heats up Earth another 1 degree Celsius global average. That unleashes the 1200 gigatons of pressurized methane in the world's largest ocean shelf - ESAS. oops.
Years ago I commissioned an electronics expert to populate a 3 layer printed circuit board wth ~500 microwave leadless dual diodes. There was no detectable DC output. I recently realized that I should have chosen zero bias diodes. Can someone repeat the build with the correct diodes?
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I have never heard someone talk so much absolute nonsense without taking a single break. Its actually impressive.
Polycrisis crisis!
Jeez! You managed to watch this all through???
Political Crisis, Eco Crisis in the hashtags...there's all kinds of crisis we shouldn't have to deal with.
@@martyngittins1274 I like to support Rachel's efforts.
@@TennesseeJed 🎉😂😏
any mention of Two-Headed babies from depleted uranium?
The audio seems just a tiny bit out of sync with the video. Slightly distracting to watch.
that's why I don't watch youtube usually - just 2x and reply to comments. The truth can't be seen, despite popular claims otherwise. We can listen to the truth though.
'green' as in no impact? Broken system? Whats that have to do with it?
Renewables and nuclear could do it but it would drive costs up prohibitively. Making virtually everything to run on electricity, a convenient oversight.
a 40% decrease in coal emissions heats up Earth another 1 degree celsius! The policy wonks ignore the science of the Aerosol Masking Effect! Still if you can claw away some nonprofit consultant career based on a lie - go for it. hahaha.
Wind and solar are more than merely expensive. They are *_infinitely-expensive,_* on a sustained basis.
I want to eat food from around the world drive my truck, heat my home mow my lawn, wipe my bum , save the planet and next week i'm going fishing in my new boat with my six kids😊💕💕
When are you going to interview Alex Epstein???
😒 *Promo sm*
CO2 418 +3/year
Co2 equivalent is the real issue - so you need to include methane and nitrous oxide and also the fact that 90% of the heat has stored into the oceans as extra heat since 1995 - now at 500 Zettajoules - that will be releasing. There's 1200 gigatons of pressurized methane in the world's largest ocean shelf, ESAS, that will also be releasing. Mother Nature is taking revenge and it's way worse than people realize.
@Ketan
Stop promoting "alternative" BS
Have either of you stopped to think what you would be doing if everything oil and gas went away tomorrow? It could be said that your very existence on this platform relies on this NOT happening. ie. Have you ever considered that the oil and gas industry is supporting you? ... are YOU part of the problem? Perhaps walking the talk would be more productive.
The 5 categories of ‘Expertise’ cited as key subscribers to the Ideology central to this Channels says it all really. Obviously it takes no account whatsoever about Any in these categories who do NOT agree with the Dogma rigidly upheld here.
Or indeed Anyone full stop. This is overweening Arrogance.
For example there is not one Person of the Book irrespective their lamentable disunity in other, arguably far more serious areas ! - which even in their own terms set Eternal Damnation against Eternal Life- that doesn’ t think that the Creator of Earth, Time, Space, Heaven- ie Cosmic Totality- aka the Lord GOD Almighty who made the Earth as a Paradise for Mankind ( also His Creation) powerless to sustain it.!No sweat..
By the way yr. Guest on this video : boy!- he could bore for Oz at Olympics level!Vice like Grip co efficient as in mega migraine!Y’know um y’ know- & so on& so on& so on… Bless. Only problem is catastrophic refusal to even unite in Prayer!
Which may be a key reason why no Divine Intervention yet evident . Meantime GOD’s cosmic Enemies- Satan & Co( . also created by Him but whose Gift of Free Will enables their murderous Desire to usurp Him!) doubtless oppose any Reconciliation which would coordinate petitioning the Lord, this context.Wickedness, as with ego manic Atheistic Arrogance does not elicit favour.
But whatever the rotten deal meantime, He will return the Earth He made to pristine Magnificence sooner or later…
Be assured of That!
Bro be spittin'. Love the capitals.
@@TheAurians first time I've seen overweening also!
Dudes, this is all water under the bridge. We're toast.
yeah but it's his career. So he's gotta play the game.
@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 yeah, I guess you're right 👍
@@genxerfool9797 I worked half a dozen environmental nonprofits as my career only most of that work was begging for money or doing paper shuffler to support other beggars of donations - I was downwardly mobile. So I also rode an old 3 speed bicycle while dumpster diving food - every day for ten years in Minneapolis. People wondered about me but I knew we were doomed since 1996. No point in telling anyone since I'm not trying to change people's hardwired views. hahahaha.
We can still choose whether we will be slightly browned or burned to a crisp. Throwing up our hands and screaming "THERE'S NO HOPE!" is self destructive and helps nobody, because it really does matter if we get to net zero by 2035 or by 2070. By the way, 86% of new global electricity generation in 2022 was renewable according to EMBER, and that percentage will be over 90% in 2025 according to the IEA, so the world is making the transition. The question is how fast.