2 Oscar Nods to Andrew Garfield for next year's Oscar's, One Best Lead Actor for Tick Tick Boom and the other Best Supporting Actor for well, you know...
I really feel like Tobey and Andrew really did a great job teaching Tom what it MEANS to be Spider-Man. They help solidify what “with great power comes great responsibility” and what it means to Spider-Man and how that is a lesson every Spider-Man has to learn.
Charlie Cox's line about being a very good lawyer hints that he will show up again. Remember that right before the brick he told Happy that he would need a "very good lawyer"... wouldn't be surprised to see them both show up in the She-Hulk series.
@johncampea so when you were speaking about Tom hollands Spider-Man being selfish and not taking into consideration the lives of others, I think that had a lot to do with his arc in the movie. I agree with you as well about that decision however you see at the end of the movie, instead of him making another selfish move to get MJ and Ned back he decided not to go through with it and let them live without knowing him. He saw the bandaid on MJ’s head, knowing he was the reason. Completing his arc of becoming Spider-Man and a more adult/mature hero. Remember Strange even said, “ I keep forgetting you’re still a kid”
Peter deciding to save the villains and having to deal the consequences of that decision is classic Spiderman. The lesson he learned from that is the whole point of the movie.
I think one of the reasons Murdock was there is that he wanted to help Peter. Hero to hero. So he reached out wanting to offer his services. Sometimes you have to fill in the blanks yourself. It’s part of the fun of fan service.
Actually, may clearly knew Murdock, she was calling him Matt. It’s not a big stretch to think that Murdock is working with feast to help homeless people with legal advice. So May probably asked him because she knew and trust him
Used to think andrew was the worst Spider-Man but I agree with John after seeing all three on screen together, Andrew was the obvious stand out. Crazy what good writing can do
I went yesterday. I laughed so hard when Tobey said he had back problems. Wich obviously referred to the old : “I’m back! *falls down* my back…” joke. There were 100’s of die hard spidey fans in that theatre and they were all looking at me like I was insane. Had to tell the girl I was with I’d explain later. I was 8 when I watched the first spider-man movie in theatres. Been a big fan ever since I watched the cartoon as a little kid. Now I’m hitting 30 and I’m watching this. It’s like the circle is complete. This was great.
John’s complaint about Peter not considering the lives of the general public before making his decision seems like it could apply to just about any superhero movie.
Strong disagree. People being in the wrong universe and interacting with other people could have massive, grave ramifications. Dr Strange communicates this several times during the film, but it’s never really taken seriously
To your problems... 1. The spell alters reality, I don't see it as a stretch at all to think it alters physical evidence of Peter as well. 2. This is merely a philosophical disagreement. Steve Rogers believed the same thing as Peter when he refused to kill Vision to stop Thanos. You may not agree with it but it doesn't make Peter's view any less valid.
I really don’t get John’s obsession of Spiderman going back to Sony. I know he saw Kevin Fiege already did multiple interviews saying that Spiderman is staying in the mcu. John just needs to accept that sometimes he’s wrong.
wasn't sure before NWH whether I wanted another movie with Tom . Having seen NWH I defo want him to carry on and the movie also makes me want a TASM 3 with Andrew who I thought was the best Spider-Man in NWH . Andrew was never miscast as Spidey in the TASM films he was just not written well enough particular in his films. Tom ( who I thought gave his best performance as Spider-Man to date) and the others were great but for me Andrew Garfield and Willem Dafoe delivered the two standout performances of NWH.
Same here. I was so disinterested in a third film of this interpretation of Spider-Man with him being so alike to Iron Man. Now I'm so looking forward to more.
I 1000% agree, Andrew Garfield was totally the best Spider-Man we've ever had. The guy just has it. I wish they had him make more Spider-Man movies. To me personally, he just has a certain presence.
In line with what John said- best part of the film for me was when he sees the bandaid on MJ’s head and realizes she’s safer without him and makes the choice to let things lie
Regarding your criticism of Peter willing risk peoples lives to save the villains. I think that was the intent. At the end he realizes what he did and May’s words got to him. He realizes the responsibility of being able affect other’s lives.
Re: John's 1st logic problem: couldn't we look at the spell as a wider reaching version of the spell Wanda cast so people outside the town completely forgot Westview existed. Records are still there, signs etc still there, but people just don't see/recognize them. Strange casted a similar spell, but it spans the whole world.
@@TheDarman people literally saw them as a show on television. No one could get out and everything that went in was changed to fit whatever time period that the show was in. There is nothing typical about that. The spell turned a modern drone into a helicopter.
@@TheDarman Wanda’s magic didn’t seem to need a spell. She just did it. Even outside the dome they were getting feeds from Weatview that came through as a TV broadcast. Strange’s spell was stated to make the world forget that Parker was Spiderman. We don’t even know what that means. Did it rewrite reality? How far did it extend? Did it affect the people who were off world? Diid it screw up the Spidermen from the other universes? I am pretty sure that they will answer those questions in future movies.
I think this movie by FAR was Tobey's best performance of his version of Parker/Spiderman. I love how he was poised as the elder of the 3 of them. They had a brotherhood type connection.
John, you are on to something here…. Andrew’s Spidey was an absolute joy in this movie, and honestly he stole every scene he was in. What a performance. On AND off the screen. He almost had me believing that he wasn’t in the movie. So damn convincing.
John I love your show but here’s my issue with your points about the movie: 1. The final spell was magic NOT science. With magic all references to Peter Parker could disappear from our reality. How? Simple, it’s a magic spell not a scientific calculation. All references to Peter Parker GONE. That would understandably mean ALL. All media, all relationships, everything. They could have explained it better, maybe they will in the future. 2. Peter’s decision to help the villains instead of listening to DR. Strange makes sense! Why? Because he’s a 17 year old kid NOT a mature adult with the reasoning skills of a 30 plus year old man! In reality he’s not Spider-Man he’s Spider-boy! I’ve raised kids that’s how they think!! His scope of understanding is limited! Dr. Strange even points this out in the movie! I think they did the best job of showing Peter as a teen in this version of Spider-Man! Because he is just a kid even with all his adventures. Lastly Aunt May is just an average mid aged woman with a good heart she didn’t her Dr. Strange explanation this universe bending situation! All she knew was these people were lost and her kid was in the middle of it.
Eventhough Andrew & Tobey being in the movie was a near certainty to most of us, I still think keeping them out of the trailers made the reactions way better when they first appeared.
Apparently that final spell did erase all evidence/reference to, electronic or otherwise of Peter Parker. If you noticed at the end, Peter has a GED book which would mean that even all of his school records disappear.
I just started watching Campea a few weeks ago and this discussion has given me clarity on why I'm just not a fan of him. This was SOOO much talking about speculation about fan service and confirmed rumors and not nearly enough about his reaction or feelings about the film itself. For example, instead of talking about the emotional context of Andrew catching MJ or how that made him feel, he says "we all knew he was going to catch her but it was a good moment: NEXT". Like talk about Green Goblin, talk about Tom Holland's acting, talk about the Miles Morales reference, talk about anything that actual fans were excited about. Idk I personally felt like this was such a surface-level discussion. Also, John, literally no one says Peter Parker was erased from existence. He is erased from memories. If he is in a photo with someone, they would not remember who that person is. I did not think it was that complicated at all lol
@@13tapioca but YOU are the one speculating that there are no physical records of him going to school. it's possible that he unenrolled from school to stay away from everyone he knew. he needs a social security number. he needs an ID. his physical existence is not what's erased here, it's memories of it. i'm with you, i am always down for a deep-dive about those small details with Marvel content but that information was not at all important to my understanding of what happened LOL
@@nicolebayless That's a good point I'm definitely jumping to conclusions but what about the video footage of him being revealed to the world? That had to get erased or Peter problem would start over or what do you think
@@13tapioca yeah i think it's possible that things like print or video that specifically link peter parker to spider-man may have been altered or erased so that something else is written in place of Peter's name or maybe there's a glitch at the moment Peter's name is said idk i can see this being answered at some point though
Let's not forget that Spiderman is just a kid. And mostly his decisions are one dimensional and unaware of the consequences. I remember when the lizard reminds him of the consequences of fixing people. He simply ignored it and disregard it as good advice. The lizard is simply saying it based on experience. But what makes Spiderman a REAL super hero is that he does not only tries to save people. He also tries to save his enemies. He may not be the strongest avenger but he definitely has the kindest heart.
I mean....THE AVENGERS risked the entire universe to save Vision. The Eternals risked the birth and possibly life of trillions of life to save a tiny little planet, just because they got attached.
1:13:18 The thing is, when politics are injected into a movie, it *does* divide us. But when a movie is completely devoid of politics, like this one is, it can bring us together. So I think you’re half right on that. Movies *can* bring us together, but by the same coin, they can *also* divide us. It all depends on the movies themselves.
Just really glad Andrew is getting the love he deserves xD. He has always been my favourite Spider-Man...I was also disappointed about the whole Tom Hardy Venom situation but whatever 😅 I believe this was just an origin story that took place over a trilogy, so him making mistakes, those gripes you had about him trying to save the villains without considering the consequences with others is what worked for me...he's still young, a rookie. Aunt May being his Uncle Ben, no longer relying on Stark tech moving forward...we get to experience quintessential Spider-Man now and I'm excited for the future. Just wondering if they'll have a different design for Venom or keep it the same when the symbiote eventually meets Peter (better be the next movie!). Dr Strange and the Multiverse of Madness is gonna be lit!🔥🔥
53:50 I immediately recognised it was Garfield's Spider-Man. He looked too tall for it to be Tom, and when I saw the large white eyes I started freaking the fuck out.
Sony pretty much just confirmed Andrew is coming back for another Spidey film! He totally deserves it as no way home proved to everyone that despite the amazing spider-man movies being "meh", Garfield is a great spider-man. He deserves his redemption.
I think John is wrong on the whole issue about needing a narrative reason for explaining why Peter would make the decision to risk everyone to save the villains. Anyone who has ever raised kids knows that they tend to think like that. I have a teenager that thinks that I would be a bad person if I saw an animal run out of the wood line while I am driving down the road and I would not avoid it. Kids (and this includes teenagers) see the world differently than an adult with more life experience sees the world. My teenager doesn't understand and most kids would not understand that you would run over the animal not out of cruelty but because you would be putting your family at risk of getting into a catastrophic accident that could hurt them or another family in the car. In that respect I think John's first negative point about erasing all the physical evidence of Peter's existence is way more valid than the second one which is not a stretch if you have ever raised a kid. Other than that I think this was the best Spider-Man movie ever made hands down and easily a top ten comic book movie of all time. And I have saying for years that Andrew was the best Spider-Man/Peter Parker.
2:42:40 The hive mind. The symbiote could easily remember because of the hive mind(and again, Carnage was because the piece was *ingested* so taking another host would not necessarily have the same result)
Valid point, but nothing unique. 1. Steve Rogers decides to save vision 2. Ethan hunt decides to save luther. 3. Steve Rogers decides to save bucky. 4. Stark decides to create Ultron. Few examples of heroes doing outrageous things for sake of their own morality, risking millions of ppl
The major plot hole for me is that Peter wanted to fix the villains instead of sending them back because several were pulled out of their realities just prior to dying and he didn’t want to send them back to die. So… why did they send them back at the end then? He fixed them all, but still sent them back to die?? Why bother fixing them then, particularly at the cost of his aunt and at the risk of his universe.
I think the key is at what point of their own timeline do they come back. For example, Doc Ock said something along the line of that he was about to kill his Peter when he was transported. So maybe by curing him and sending him back at that point will change his course of action which then will result of him not dying.
There's one thing people didn't get, spidey sent them back after they got cured which mean when they went back to their universe, they created a nexus event which resulted in creating a alternate timeline /reality in their universes. -doc oct went back in control and with one of his arm cut
I've been saying for years that Andrew Garfield was the best Spiderman. Loved how he and MJ were debating on whether he was giving enough proof he was Spiderman. "This is plenty." 😂
Yes the Charlie Cox cameo needed to be there, because the alternative was using Jennifer Walters and promoting She-Hulk. This was good fan service rather than forced studio marketing for other tie-ins. That is what made Matt Murdock's fan service cameo so special. They didn't have to do it. They could have used it as a marketing vehicle for the upcoming show. They didn't, instead they canonized the Netflix Marvel stuff, they listened to the fans. That magnificent bastard Kevin Feige actually did it. That wasn't unnecessary, it was perfect for the plot.
"I'm something of a scientist myself" made sense in the context of the conversation it made sense for the character, it was a great line & it made my theater erupt with laughter because of the meme
Andrew and his team have made it known that he would be very interested to come back as spiderman again.. I hope they do listen after his remarkable portray in nwh he deserves the chance. So Sony hope u do listen because even tho im a tobey spiderman fan. Andrew shined in this movie
What are you going on about at the beginning of this video? Never did he say hey the world is at risk. So your whole rant about “all the children of the orphanage don’t matter” isn’t needed and doesn’t make any sense.
The shop MJ works at is a real donut shop in Brooklyn called “Peter Pan Donut and Pastry Shop.” I’ve had donuts from there and they are awesome (I live on Long Island).
It wiped every knowledge of Peter Parker that existed. That’s why at the end Peter has to get his GED because his records of being in high school was wiped.
2:07:45 Wait John says Ned and MJ gaining their memories again would not negate the emotional scene in No Way Home but doesn't he also constantly complain about the the MCU being the "fake death universe"? Sounds contradictory to me but maybe there's a key difference I'm missing.
For Me, Tobey will always be my favourite Spider-man. BUT , god I LOVED Andrew in No Way Home, and I totally agree he stole the movie. CHeered when he showed up, Cheered when he unmasked,Cheered when he saved MJ. Loved his arc, Loved we got some closure with him, Love Andrew Garfield as an actor and man does he Bring his A game in the Movie. This Movie certainly upped my appreciation of His Spider-Man
I agree with you and Tobey is also my favourite spiderman he still up there But Andrew shined in this movie to me he is very capable to be spiderman hope they give him another chance he definitely stole the show
hmmm. 15:10. AND so was Steve Rogers. 'We don't trade lives'. Granted it was Vision, his Avenger teammate but the premise stands. To add to this, one could say that Peter doesn't realise the big picture despite Steven's warning. He is thinking less multiversal catastrophe and more friendly neighbour saying one life at at time. - And May Parker didn't have context to why Peter wanted Norman. He saw one man who needed help, and Peter was in a position to help.
Tom going full dark has to be his best scenes in this movie. He was legit going to end Gobby. Just wow. I need to see this a few more times in theaters.
My biggest problem is the cube. They say that all you need to do is press a button on the cube snd it sends everyone back. Why didn't doctor strange just send everyone back without telling Peter anything if all it took was putting the contained spell into a box and pushing a button? Wouldn't he have just done it immediately after his confrontation with Lizard? It didn't appear it mattered where ppl had the box and where the villains currently where.
The line "I'm a great lawyer" then Peter looks down at the brick, and it's got an angry note on it. My first thought was it would be hilarious if people thought he blocked it because it was a defamation of his client.
Does John mention one time the fact that he spoiled the movie weeks ago in this 3 hour live stream? Does he feel as terribly as he claimed he would if he realized the pics he leaked were real?
To anyone who hasn't watched it, check out Andrew's Comic-Con speech from 2011. Dude understood what Spider-Man meant and embodied to a lot of people, including him. I'm incredibly happy he's back, at least one more time, and that he's getting great reception. He deserves it.
You do realize that Captain America made the same choice as Peter in Avengers age of ultron by choosing not to destroy the flying land mass while there were still people on it when it could have cost the lives of the entire world.
One of my favorite scenes of all the MCU will now be the rooftop scene with the 3 spideys. Aside from it being a moment I never thought we'd get, the three of them connecting over their most difficult losses hit so hard with me. All 3 of them nailed the scene. All at different places emotionally with their grief. Tobey being further along in his life felt like the eldest brother and Andrew being the middle brother both trying to help their little brother through pain they can relate too. Also Ned and MJ were perfect in the scene.
that bit when toms peter says he was in the avengers and the other 2 have absolutely no idea what hes saying "oh realy? thats great!!...whats the avengers?" "is that a band? :O.. .are you in a band!?!?!?"
I still don't understand the ironman Jr criticism. After getting 5 Spiderman movies it was nice to see Spiderman getting an upgrade. Who seriously didn't want new Spiderman costumes? The only thing I agree on is connecting Quentin beck to Tony stark was dumb. That's about it.
I think it was a great way for the MCU to distinguish their version of Spider-Man from the previous two who had almost carbon copy origin stories . Making Iron Man his mentor and creator was a great alternate version. I think that’s where Campea misunderstood why Marvel did that. It wasn’t a rejection per say, but it was…”are we really gonna get a THIRD incarnation of the same Spider-Man again?” It was a smart choice. And in the end, the old school fans got their old school Spider-Man back when his story was basically rebooted at the end of NWH. Brilliant.
Speculation: at 1:34:13 when John mentions that he thinks we haven’t seen the last of Ned as a sorcerer and that he’ll just put that speculation out there into the universe, THAT might have been what MoCap picture he had was in relation to?
John's complaint about Spider-Man not considering the general population of people when making the decision to keep the villains in the universe even though it was a risk reminds me of Cap's comment in Infinity War. He said the heroes shouldn't be thinking in terms of trading lives and he refused to sacrifice Vision and destroy the mind stone. In that sense, John your complain would apply to that movie too as the risk was high in IW and the entire world paid the price there. Just because they are villains doesn't mean you can trade lives if we follow Cap's logic. Plus there is the added baggage of something being wrong with all of them that Peter thinks he can fix.
That assumes Cap was right, but he wasn't. It was hypocritical that Cap can decide to sacrifice himself for the greater good (like he did in the first Cap movie) but he deprived Vision of that same choice. Vision was willing to make that sacrifice.
John, you’re thinking Tom’s Peter Parker should have thought more selflessly and consider other people’s feelings. He doesn’t think selflessly until the end.
I Saw Spiderman no way home again and it’s to me the greatest Spider-Man movie of all time The movie was fantastic it my favorite movie of the year A top-five mcu of all times Great movies deserve great success
Peter trying to help the villains while ignoring all the warning Strange told him is how I see a teenager trying to fix every mess he made quickly and not thinking about the consequences it might make. You damn right he's selfish. But when finally he realize what the shit he has done, then he stops being selfish and sacrifices everything he has. Including all the relationships he made along the way.
9:30. John. That's not a plot hole. Dont forget that the spell makes it look like Peter never EXISTED. Strange himself warns him about that with those exact words. So he has no registration at nothing, no school, no photos, NOTHING. Peter literally does not exist anymore.
Total plot hole. Even with MJ having the necklace that Peter gave her. She was still wearing the necklace at the end too. If he was erased from existence then how does she still have the necklace? Is she like, how did I get this haha
I think it could be. Since it happens at the end, we don't get enough info on the spells ramifications to even know if it is a plot hole or not. Could be elaborated on in later movies that would make it a non-issue.
@@CANELA-cnm that "if" is the important part. He's explaining what it will be like, not what it is. If his actions were erased, happy wouldn't be at aunt mays grave and she would still be alive. Again we don't know enough yet.
We all can relate to Andrew's Spidey more as most of us fall in that age group 24-30 which makes him seem like he's portraying everything we would do like losing empathy towards anyone (stopped pulling my punches) after a loss that huge.
I can see how him leaving the donut shop without telling Ned and MJ was seen as selfless. At the same time it was selfish because that’s not what they would have chose before the spell was cast and he should honor what the informed version of them would have chose instead of feeling like he knows what’s best for them and making the choice for them.
A big part of John Campea's critique is very much from an outsider's opinion which is common to a lot of his criticism. He tends to miss parts that are inferred, but not spelled out. The thing here with his issue with it is twofold. Strange never spells out consequences and his biggest flaw is in not sharing. While it played to his favor in Endgame, it was due to the assistance of the time stone when he has assurance of the outcome. But here, you see his cavalier attitude towards rules and expecting others to follow his directions makes it clear that throughout the story, he continues to misread the situation which was to ground Peter instead of pointing him in a direction. On the other side, Peter's big weakness is his impulsiveness that often leads to problems. His biggest issue is that despite his intelligence, he keeps jumping the gun to get to the solution and his vulnerability to disaster. While he is quick on his feet, his habit of interjecting and meddling only makes things worse. At the end, it creates the conflict we have now. From the outsider's perspective, it's easy to see it all as a series of clear mistakes, but in reality, it was a storm of miscommunication. Strange was an issue since he keeps trying to move forward while Peter was trying to figure out the steps. While everything Peter does makes it worse, it's not for lack of trying. He didn't get better until after he had folks that helped ground him and focus him towards a solution instead of jumping in on his own. MJ even spelled it out, she wanted him to talk before making decisions FOR them.
Finally saw the movie but totally agree with Andrew Garfield. He put a beautiful performance and it just completely topped the movie for me. My favourite spidey is Jake Johnson from INTER THE SPIDER VERSE but Garfield was so beautifully great and a close second.
Andrew Garfield is the greatest Spider-Man we’ve ever had PERIOD. And that doesn’t make the others any less either. What a fantastic film. I’m excited for what happens next. It’s probably very unlikely but I’d take a TASM 3 and both Spider-Man 4’s. And you can call Tom’s 4th film The Spectacular Spider-Man.
I understand Johns complaints but I don’t agree. Peter not asking people to put the world at risk.. that’s what all heroes do. Tony stark didn’t ask the world if he should make ultron. Etc. Peter needed to learn the lesson that peoples lives are REALLY being risked. Up to now, Peter has had everything handed to him. That’s why aunt Mays death mattered so much. To teach him not to be so reckless.
There’s an obvious explanation for why Topher Grace’s Venom didn’t show up. Because Doc Ock, Goblin, Sandman, Electro, Lizard, Venom, and the 2 Peters are the only people who were able to slip through before Strange contained the spell. It’s the same reason why Harry Osborn or Rhino didn’t show up.
The villains getting sent back to their universes as “cured”, creates a new branch reality that will open up the door for the continuation of their stories in future Spider-Man projects.
Kim is an Oracle. I thought there was no way that "Spider-Man No Way Home" would have a $250 million opening weekend. I was completely WRONG. This movie was simply awesome.
17:40 John no one underestimates this scene, it's literally the point of the film, the origin of spiderman, taking on the pain/ the responsibility, of having great power, discovering that this is the best way to protect the ones he loves most.
I hope Andrew Garfield keeps denying he’s in it. That’d be hilarious.
I'm crying 🤣🤣🤣
Lucky for Tobey he doesn't have to go through that. 😅❤️
2 Oscar Nods to Andrew Garfield for next year's Oscar's, One Best Lead Actor for Tick Tick Boom and the other Best Supporting Actor for well, you know...
It would feed into the whole variant thing lol
Keep Andrew Garfield as spider-man!!
This movie was more than a movie. The scene that got me was when Tobey and Doc Ock had that short conversation. That hit home
I really feel like Tobey and Andrew really did a great job teaching Tom what it MEANS to be Spider-Man. They help solidify what “with great power comes great responsibility” and what it means to Spider-Man and how that is a lesson every Spider-Man has to learn.
It was like the lessons both Tobey’s and Andrew’s Spider-Mans learned in their movies, they passed on to Tom’s Spider-Man
Charlie Cox's line about being a very good lawyer hints that he will show up again. Remember that right before the brick he told Happy that he would need a "very good lawyer"... wouldn't be surprised to see them both show up in the She-Hulk series.
@johncampea so when you were speaking about Tom hollands Spider-Man being selfish and not taking into consideration the lives of others, I think that had a lot to do with his arc in the movie.
I agree with you as well about that decision however you see at the end of the movie, instead of him making another selfish move to get MJ and Ned back he decided not to go through with it and let them live without knowing him. He saw the bandaid on MJ’s head, knowing he was the reason. Completing his arc of becoming Spider-Man and a more adult/mature hero. Remember Strange even said, “ I keep forgetting you’re still a kid”
Bang on. Character growth.
Well johns got a point
Peter deciding to save the villains and having to deal the consequences of that decision is classic Spiderman. The lesson he learned from that is the whole point of the movie.
Bingo
That, and he's a teenager. When you're that age, you don't consider all the consequences of your actions.
I think one of the reasons Murdock was there is that he wanted to help Peter. Hero to hero. So he reached out wanting to offer his services. Sometimes you have to fill in the blanks yourself. It’s part of the fun of fan service.
Actually, may clearly knew Murdock, she was calling him Matt. It’s not a big stretch to think that Murdock is working with feast to help homeless people with legal advice. So May probably asked him because she knew and trust him
@@marachdrifter could be exactly that too. I just don’t agree with John that he was there for no reason.
@@marachdrifter I actually like your theory a lot. Could be exactly that………
Used to think andrew was the worst Spider-Man but I agree with John after seeing all three on screen together, Andrew was the obvious stand out. Crazy what good writing can do
It’s made $253 million in its opening weekend domestically , looks like Kimberley was right!
I went yesterday. I laughed so hard when Tobey said he had back problems. Wich obviously referred to the old : “I’m back! *falls down* my back…” joke. There were 100’s of die hard spidey fans in that theatre and they were all looking at me like I was insane. Had to tell the girl I was with I’d explain later. I was 8 when I watched the first spider-man movie in theatres. Been a big fan ever since I watched the cartoon as a little kid. Now I’m hitting 30 and I’m watching this. It’s like the circle is complete. This was great.
John’s complaint about Peter not considering the lives of the general public before making his decision seems like it could apply to just about any superhero movie.
*observation
Strong disagree. People being in the wrong universe and interacting with other people could have massive, grave ramifications. Dr Strange communicates this several times during the film, but it’s never really taken seriously
To your problems...
1. The spell alters reality, I don't see it as a stretch at all to think it alters physical evidence of Peter as well.
2. This is merely a philosophical disagreement. Steve Rogers believed the same thing as Peter when he refused to kill Vision to stop Thanos. You may not agree with it but it doesn't make Peter's view any less valid.
I really don’t get John’s obsession of Spiderman going back to Sony. I know he saw Kevin Fiege already did multiple interviews saying that Spiderman is staying in the mcu. John just needs to accept that sometimes he’s wrong.
wasn't sure before NWH whether I wanted another movie with Tom . Having seen NWH I defo want him to carry on and the movie also makes me want a TASM 3 with Andrew who I thought was the best Spider-Man in NWH .
Andrew was never miscast as Spidey in the TASM films he was just not written well enough particular in his films. Tom ( who I thought gave his best performance as Spider-Man to date) and the others were great but for me Andrew Garfield and Willem Dafoe delivered the two standout performances of NWH.
Same here. I was so disinterested in a third film of this interpretation of Spider-Man with him being so alike to Iron Man. Now I'm so looking forward to more.
I 1000% agree, Andrew Garfield was totally the best Spider-Man we've ever had. The guy just has it. I wish they had him make more Spider-Man movies. To me personally, he just has a certain presence.
Agreed. He’s the best actor among the 3. I would LOVE an MCU Garfield Spiderman movie.
BTW!!! $253 DOMESTIC!!! $587 Worldwide!!! Kimberly crushed it!!!
Weak. That second one isn’t a ‘plot hole’. It’s an issue you now have with the character.
In line with what John said- best part of the film for me was when he sees the bandaid on MJ’s head and realizes she’s safer without him and makes the choice to let things lie
Regarding your criticism of Peter willing risk peoples lives to save the villains. I think that was the intent. At the end he realizes what he did and May’s words got to him. He realizes the responsibility of being able affect other’s lives.
Re: John's 1st logic problem: couldn't we look at the spell as a wider reaching version of the spell Wanda cast so people outside the town completely forgot Westview existed. Records are still there, signs etc still there, but people just don't see/recognize them. Strange casted a similar spell, but it spans the whole world.
Not really. Wanda’s spell literally rewrote reality. Everything wasn’t there. Westview could not even get information from the outside.
@@TheDarman people literally saw them as a show on television. No one could get out and everything that went in was changed to fit whatever time period that the show was in. There is nothing typical about that. The spell turned a modern drone into a helicopter.
@@TheDarman Wanda’s magic didn’t seem to need a spell. She just did it. Even outside the dome they were getting feeds from Weatview that came through as a TV broadcast. Strange’s spell was stated to make the world forget that Parker was Spiderman. We don’t even know what that means. Did it rewrite reality? How far did it extend? Did it affect the people who were off world? Diid it screw up the Spidermen from the other universes? I am pretty sure that they will answer those questions in future movies.
Peter is opening the GED book at the End so yes, the spell did alter computers and records
I think this movie by FAR was Tobey's best performance of his version of Parker/Spiderman. I love how he was poised as the elder of the 3 of them. They had a brotherhood type connection.
John, you are on to something here….
Andrew’s Spidey was an absolute joy in this movie, and honestly he stole every scene he was in. What a performance. On AND off the screen. He almost had me believing that he wasn’t in the movie. So damn convincing.
Imagine how crazy this movie would have been if Campea didn’t share those spoiler photos online
John I love your show but here’s my issue with your points about the movie: 1. The final spell was magic NOT science. With magic all references to Peter Parker could disappear from our reality. How? Simple, it’s a magic spell not a scientific calculation. All references to Peter Parker GONE. That would understandably mean ALL. All media, all relationships, everything. They could have explained it better, maybe they will in the future. 2. Peter’s decision to help the villains instead of listening to DR. Strange makes sense! Why? Because he’s a 17 year old kid NOT a mature adult with the reasoning skills of a 30 plus year old man! In reality he’s not Spider-Man he’s Spider-boy! I’ve raised kids that’s how they think!! His scope of understanding is limited! Dr. Strange even points this out in the movie! I think they did the best job of showing Peter as a teen in this version of Spider-Man! Because he is just a kid even with all his adventures. Lastly Aunt May is just an average mid aged woman with a good heart she didn’t her Dr. Strange explanation this universe bending situation! All she knew was these people were lost and her kid was in the middle of it.
Eventhough Andrew & Tobey being in the movie was a near certainty to most of us, I still think keeping them out of the trailers made the reactions way better when they first appeared.
Apparently that final spell did erase all evidence/reference to, electronic or otherwise of Peter Parker. If you noticed at the end, Peter has a GED book which would mean that even all of his school records disappear.
I just started watching Campea a few weeks ago and this discussion has given me clarity on why I'm just not a fan of him. This was SOOO much talking about speculation about fan service and confirmed rumors and not nearly enough about his reaction or feelings about the film itself. For example, instead of talking about the emotional context of Andrew catching MJ or how that made him feel, he says "we all knew he was going to catch her but it was a good moment: NEXT". Like talk about Green Goblin, talk about Tom Holland's acting, talk about the Miles Morales reference, talk about anything that actual fans were excited about. Idk I personally felt like this was such a surface-level discussion.
Also, John, literally no one says Peter Parker was erased from existence. He is erased from memories. If he is in a photo with someone, they would not remember who that person is. I did not think it was that complicated at all lol
It is that's complimentary he's doing a GED because there are no records of him going to school it needs to be explained further
@@13tapioca but YOU are the one speculating that there are no physical records of him going to school. it's possible that he unenrolled from school to stay away from everyone he knew. he needs a social security number. he needs an ID. his physical existence is not what's erased here, it's memories of it. i'm with you, i am always down for a deep-dive about those small details with Marvel content but that information was not at all important to my understanding of what happened LOL
@@nicolebayless That's a good point I'm definitely jumping to conclusions but what about the video footage of him being revealed to the world? That had to get erased or Peter problem would start over or what do you think
@@13tapioca yeah i think it's possible that things like print or video that specifically link peter parker to spider-man may have been altered or erased so that something else is written in place of Peter's name or maybe there's a glitch at the moment Peter's name is said idk i can see this being answered at some point though
@@nicolebayless I see cool cool yeah they HAVE to address it its a burning question
Kim won the bet ! Now way home hit 253 million domestic....
I have no doubt that No Way Home was the best Spider movie of all times. In terms of emotion, storytelling and production, it's one level above all.
Let's not forget that Spiderman is just a kid. And mostly his decisions are one dimensional and unaware of the consequences. I remember when the lizard reminds him of the consequences of fixing people. He simply ignored it and disregard it as good advice. The lizard is simply saying it based on experience.
But what makes Spiderman a REAL super hero is that he does not only tries to save people. He also tries to save his enemies. He may not be the strongest avenger but he definitely has the kindest heart.
let’s also not forget he was on board with Strange until his Aunt guilted him into it.
Using John’s logic, Batman is selfish for not killing Joker
The youth Pastor line to Tobey was gold! He did look like a youth pastor! 🤣😂
Andrew stole the show
I mean....THE AVENGERS risked the entire universe to save Vision.
The Eternals risked the birth and possibly life of trillions of life to save a tiny little planet, just because they got attached.
Preach . John is forgetting all of this
1:13:18 The thing is, when politics are injected into a movie, it *does* divide us. But when a movie is completely devoid of politics, like this one is, it can bring us together. So I think you’re half right on that. Movies *can* bring us together, but by the same coin, they can *also* divide us. It all depends on the movies themselves.
There is nothing wrong with fan service just for fan service.. seeing daredevil made the movie better no matter if he needed to be there or not
Just really glad Andrew is getting the love he deserves xD.
He has always been my favourite Spider-Man...I was also disappointed about the whole Tom Hardy Venom situation but whatever 😅
I believe this was just an origin story that took place over a trilogy, so him making mistakes, those gripes you had about him trying to save the villains without considering the consequences with others is what worked for me...he's still young, a rookie.
Aunt May being his Uncle Ben, no longer relying on Stark tech moving forward...we get to experience quintessential Spider-Man now and I'm excited for the future.
Just wondering if they'll have a different design for Venom or keep it the same when the symbiote eventually meets Peter (better be the next movie!).
Dr Strange and the Multiverse of Madness is gonna be lit!🔥🔥
53:50 I immediately recognised it was Garfield's Spider-Man. He looked too tall for it to be Tom, and when I saw the large white eyes I started freaking the fuck out.
Peter: 'Can you make everyone forget Mysterio and what he said?'
Dr Strange: 'Of course.'
THE END
:D
Kim was right! $250 million opening weekend! John, you ready to dance?! Lol
Sony pretty much just confirmed Andrew is coming back for another Spidey film! He totally deserves it as no way home proved to everyone that despite the amazing spider-man movies being "meh", Garfield is a great spider-man. He deserves his redemption.
Andrew Garfield 100% did the right thing by lying
The trailers were not misleading whatsoever lol it explained the plot of the movie perfectly
I think John is wrong on the whole issue about needing a narrative reason for explaining why Peter would make the decision to risk everyone to save the villains. Anyone who has ever raised kids knows that they tend to think like that. I have a teenager that thinks that I would be a bad person if I saw an animal run out of the wood line while I am driving down the road and I would not avoid it. Kids (and this includes teenagers) see the world differently than an adult with more life experience sees the world. My teenager doesn't understand and most kids would not understand that you would run over the animal not out of cruelty but because you would be putting your family at risk of getting into a catastrophic accident that could hurt them or another family in the car. In that respect I think John's first negative point about erasing all the physical evidence of Peter's existence is way more valid than the second one which is not a stretch if you have ever raised a kid. Other than that I think this was the best Spider-Man movie ever made hands down and easily a top ten comic book movie of all time. And I have saying for years that Andrew was the best Spider-Man/Peter Parker.
Well said
I think that he just did it because his aunt told him to do it. At first he was going to send them back until May stepped in.
2:42:40 The hive mind. The symbiote could easily remember because of the hive mind(and again, Carnage was because the piece was *ingested* so taking another host would not necessarily have the same result)
John’s second gripe is no different than Cap deciding not to just blow up the stone in Vision’s head which ended up happening anyway
At the end when Peter puts on the homemade Spiderman suit, I thought well Campea gonna love that he isn't iron Spiderman anymore
Valid point, but nothing unique.
1. Steve Rogers decides to save vision
2. Ethan hunt decides to save luther.
3. Steve Rogers decides to save bucky.
4. Stark decides to create Ultron.
Few examples of heroes doing outrageous things for sake of their own morality, risking millions of ppl
To add every superhero not killing the villain.
The major plot hole for me is that Peter wanted to fix the villains instead of sending them back because several were pulled out of their realities just prior to dying and he didn’t want to send them back to die. So… why did they send them back at the end then? He fixed them all, but still sent them back to die?? Why bother fixing them then, particularly at the cost of his aunt and at the risk of his universe.
I think the key is at what point of their own timeline do they come back. For example, Doc Ock said something along the line of that he was about to kill his Peter when he was transported. So maybe by curing him and sending him back at that point will change his course of action which then will result of him not dying.
Strange explain it
There's one thing people didn't get, spidey sent them back after they got cured which mean when they went back to their universe, they created a nexus event which resulted in creating a alternate timeline /reality in their universes.
-doc oct went back in control and with one of his arm cut
I've been saying for years that Andrew Garfield was the best Spiderman. Loved how he and MJ were debating on whether he was giving enough proof he was Spiderman. "This is plenty." 😂
Yes the Charlie Cox cameo needed to be there, because the alternative was using Jennifer Walters and promoting She-Hulk.
This was good fan service rather than forced studio marketing for other tie-ins. That is what made Matt Murdock's fan service cameo so special. They didn't have to do it. They could have used it as a marketing vehicle for the upcoming show. They didn't, instead they canonized the Netflix Marvel stuff, they listened to the fans. That magnificent bastard Kevin Feige actually did it.
That wasn't unnecessary, it was perfect for the plot.
It would make sense that Charlie would want to help Peter.
"I'm something of a scientist myself" made sense in the context of the conversation it made sense for the character, it was a great line & it made my theater erupt with laughter because of the meme
Yeah i don't agree with people who said it was forced. It was completely contextually faithful
“Something of a Scientist Myself” is a meme. Yes, it’s from the first film, but it’s gained much more popularity since then.
Andrew and his team have made it known that he would be very interested to come back as spiderman again.. I hope they do listen after his remarkable portray in nwh he deserves the chance. So Sony hope u do listen because even tho im a tobey spiderman fan. Andrew shined in this movie
😍😍😍
What are you going on about at the beginning of this video? Never did he say hey the world is at risk. So your whole rant about “all the children of the orphanage don’t matter” isn’t needed and doesn’t make any sense.
Yes thank you!! Strange never said the world was at risk he said they knew nothing of the multiverse!
The shop MJ works at is a real donut shop in Brooklyn called “Peter Pan Donut and Pastry Shop.” I’ve had donuts from there and they are awesome (I live on Long Island).
We don't trade lives - big theme in the MCU.
Actually it was Aunt May who was selfish. Peter was going to send them all back to die and Aunt May convinced him to save them all.
I can see Murdock volunteering to be Peter's lawyer. Keeping superhero antics "legitimate" helps him pursue his interests.
People cheered for Charlie Cox.
It wiped every knowledge of Peter Parker that existed. That’s why at the end Peter has to get his GED because his records of being in high school was wiped.
Wow I never thought about that. Great catch 👍
John Campea = JJ Jameson Variant
2:07:45 Wait John says Ned and MJ gaining their memories again would not negate the emotional scene in No Way Home but doesn't he also constantly complain about the the MCU being the "fake death universe"? Sounds contradictory to me but maybe there's a key difference I'm missing.
For Me, Tobey will always be my favourite Spider-man.
BUT , god I LOVED Andrew in No Way Home, and I totally agree he stole the movie. CHeered when he showed up, Cheered when he unmasked,Cheered when he saved MJ. Loved his arc, Loved we got some closure with him, Love Andrew Garfield as an actor and man does he Bring his A game in the Movie. This Movie certainly upped my appreciation of His Spider-Man
I agree with you and Tobey is also my favourite spiderman he still up there
But Andrew shined in this movie to me he is very capable to be spiderman hope they give him another chance he definitely stole the show
all I know is I want the audio book version of Flash's book lol
hmmm. 15:10. AND so was Steve Rogers. 'We don't trade lives'. Granted it was Vision, his Avenger teammate but the premise stands. To add to this, one could say that Peter doesn't realise the big picture despite Steven's warning. He is thinking less multiversal catastrophe and more friendly neighbour saying one life at at time. - And May Parker didn't have context to why Peter wanted Norman. He saw one man who needed help, and Peter was in a position to help.
No way home made $253 million in the opening weekend. John just lost his bet with Kimberly.
And 587 million worldwide w/o China!
Tom going full dark has to be his best scenes in this movie. He was legit going to end Gobby. Just wow. I need to see this a few more times in theaters.
Underrated detail: Favreu's conversation with Murdock. (In that Daredevil movie where Affleck was Murdock, Favreu was his Foggy Nelson)
My biggest problem is the cube. They say that all you need to do is press a button on the cube snd it sends everyone back. Why didn't doctor strange just send everyone back without telling Peter anything if all it took was putting the contained spell into a box and pushing a button? Wouldn't he have just done it immediately after his confrontation with Lizard? It didn't appear it mattered where ppl had the box and where the villains currently where.
The line "I'm a great lawyer" then Peter looks down at the brick, and it's got an angry note on it. My first thought was it would be hilarious if people thought he blocked it because it was a defamation of his client.
Does John mention one time the fact that he spoiled the movie weeks ago in this 3 hour live stream? Does he feel as terribly as he claimed he would if he realized the pics he leaked were real?
First world problems andy…
To anyone who hasn't watched it, check out Andrew's Comic-Con speech from 2011. Dude understood what Spider-Man meant and embodied to a lot of people, including him. I'm incredibly happy he's back, at least one more time, and that he's getting great reception. He deserves it.
Exactly
You do realize that Captain America made the same choice as Peter in Avengers age of ultron by choosing not to destroy the flying land mass while there were still people on it when it could have cost the lives of the entire world.
Made the same decision when he didn't sacrifice Vision to protect the mind gem from Thanos. This is a very common thing superheroes do.
that's what i thought too. Capt Rogers would've made the same decision as Peter.
One of my favorite scenes of all the MCU will now be the rooftop scene with the 3 spideys. Aside from it being a moment I never thought we'd get, the three of them connecting over their most difficult losses hit so hard with me. All 3 of them nailed the scene. All at different places emotionally with their grief. Tobey being further along in his life felt like the eldest brother and Andrew being the middle brother both trying to help their little brother through pain they can relate too. Also Ned and MJ were perfect in the scene.
that bit when toms peter says he was in the avengers and the other 2 have absolutely no idea what hes saying "oh realy? thats great!!...whats the avengers?"
"is that a band? :O.. .are you in a band!?!?!?"
I still don't understand the ironman Jr criticism.
After getting 5 Spiderman movies it was nice to see Spiderman getting an upgrade. Who seriously didn't want new Spiderman costumes?
The only thing I agree on is connecting Quentin beck to Tony stark was dumb. That's about it.
I think it was a great way for the MCU to distinguish their version of Spider-Man from the previous two who had almost carbon copy origin stories . Making Iron Man his mentor and creator was a great alternate version. I think that’s where Campea misunderstood why Marvel did that. It wasn’t a rejection per say, but it was…”are we really gonna get a THIRD incarnation of the same Spider-Man again?” It was a smart choice. And in the end, the old school fans got their old school Spider-Man back when his story was basically rebooted at the end of NWH. Brilliant.
Speculation: at 1:34:13 when John mentions that he thinks we haven’t seen the last of Ned as a sorcerer and that he’ll just put that speculation out there into the universe, THAT might have been what MoCap picture he had was in relation to?
John's complaint about Spider-Man not considering the general population of people when making the decision to keep the villains in the universe even though it was a risk reminds me of Cap's comment in Infinity War. He said the heroes shouldn't be thinking in terms of trading lives and he refused to sacrifice Vision and destroy the mind stone. In that sense, John your complain would apply to that movie too as the risk was high in IW and the entire world paid the price there. Just because they are villains doesn't mean you can trade lives if we follow Cap's logic. Plus there is the added baggage of something being wrong with all of them that Peter thinks he can fix.
That assumes Cap was right, but he wasn't. It was hypocritical that Cap can decide to sacrifice himself for the greater good (like he did in the first Cap movie) but he deprived Vision of that same choice. Vision was willing to make that sacrifice.
@@sizanix that is such a good point, never thought about that
Trying to make sense of magic? It's not sci fi. It's a spell. Not remembering Peter Parker does not put the universe at risk.
Andrew Garfield stole the show
Yes 👍🏽 agreed Andrew Garfield stole the show
Andrew stole every scene he was in for me. His MJ save hit me so hard in the feels. It was more impactful than Aunt May’s death (for me).
Andrew Garfield BROUGHT it with that performance. Glad he got the chance to officially "finish" his run on such a high note
John, you’re thinking Tom’s Peter Parker should have thought more selflessly and consider other people’s feelings. He doesn’t think selflessly until the end.
I Saw Spiderman no way home again and it’s to me the greatest Spider-Man movie of all time The movie was fantastic it my favorite movie of the year A top-five mcu of all times Great movies deserve great success
Peter trying to help the villains while ignoring all the warning Strange told him is how I see a teenager trying to fix every mess he made quickly and not thinking about the consequences it might make. You damn right he's selfish. But when finally he realize what the shit he has done, then he stops being selfish and sacrifices everything he has. Including all the relationships he made along the way.
9:30. John. That's not a plot hole. Dont forget that the spell makes it look like Peter never EXISTED. Strange himself warns him about that with those exact words. So he has no registration at nothing, no school, no photos, NOTHING. Peter literally does not exist anymore.
Total plot hole. Even with MJ having the necklace that Peter gave her. She was still wearing the necklace at the end too. If he was erased from existence then how does she still have the necklace? Is she like, how did I get this haha
Nobody remembers knowing him, everything he's done has still happened. It was a forget spell not an erase spell.
I think it could be. Since it happens at the end, we don't get enough info on the spells ramifications to even know if it is a plot hole or not. Could be elaborated on in later movies that would make it a non-issue.
@@maciaz6401 Strange said "it will be as if you've never existed".
@@CANELA-cnm that "if" is the important part. He's explaining what it will be like, not what it is. If his actions were erased, happy wouldn't be at aunt mays grave and she would still be alive. Again we don't know enough yet.
We all can relate to Andrew's Spidey more as most of us fall in that age group 24-30 which makes him seem like he's portraying everything we would do like losing empathy towards anyone (stopped pulling my punches) after a loss that huge.
I can see how him leaving the donut shop without telling Ned and MJ was seen as selfless. At the same time it was selfish because that’s not what they would have chose before the spell was cast and he should honor what the informed version of them would have chose instead of feeling like he knows what’s best for them and making the choice for them.
Peter’s Spidey sense did work with the brick. They reached to catch it at the same time. Matt’s hand was just closer.
A big part of John Campea's critique is very much from an outsider's opinion which is common to a lot of his criticism. He tends to miss parts that are inferred, but not spelled out. The thing here with his issue with it is twofold.
Strange never spells out consequences and his biggest flaw is in not sharing. While it played to his favor in Endgame, it was due to the assistance of the time stone when he has assurance of the outcome. But here, you see his cavalier attitude towards rules and expecting others to follow his directions makes it clear that throughout the story, he continues to misread the situation which was to ground Peter instead of pointing him in a direction.
On the other side, Peter's big weakness is his impulsiveness that often leads to problems. His biggest issue is that despite his intelligence, he keeps jumping the gun to get to the solution and his vulnerability to disaster. While he is quick on his feet, his habit of interjecting and meddling only makes things worse.
At the end, it creates the conflict we have now. From the outsider's perspective, it's easy to see it all as a series of clear mistakes, but in reality, it was a storm of miscommunication. Strange was an issue since he keeps trying to move forward while Peter was trying to figure out the steps. While everything Peter does makes it worse, it's not for lack of trying. He didn't get better until after he had folks that helped ground him and focus him towards a solution instead of jumping in on his own. MJ even spelled it out, she wanted him to talk before making decisions FOR them.
Finally saw the movie but totally agree with Andrew Garfield. He put a beautiful performance and it just completely topped the movie for me. My favourite spidey is Jake Johnson from INTER THE SPIDER VERSE but Garfield was so beautifully great and a close second.
Andrew Garfield is the greatest Spider-Man we’ve ever had PERIOD. And that doesn’t make the others any less either. What a fantastic film. I’m excited for what happens next. It’s probably very unlikely but I’d take a TASM 3 and both Spider-Man 4’s. And you can call Tom’s 4th film The Spectacular Spider-Man.
I understand Johns complaints but I don’t agree. Peter not asking people to put the world at risk.. that’s what all heroes do. Tony stark didn’t ask the world if he should make ultron. Etc.
Peter needed to learn the lesson that peoples lives are REALLY being risked. Up to now, Peter has had everything handed to him. That’s why aunt Mays death mattered so much. To teach him not to be so reckless.
There’s an obvious explanation for why Topher Grace’s Venom didn’t show up. Because Doc Ock, Goblin, Sandman, Electro, Lizard, Venom, and the 2 Peters are the only people who were able to slip through before Strange contained the spell. It’s the same reason why Harry Osborn or Rhino didn’t show up.
It's official: Spider-Man NWH beats all but Avengers Endgame domestic box-office opening weekend
Domestic Box Office $260,138,569
International Box Office $340,367,472
Worldwide Box Office $600,506,041
Wow, incredible! Or AMAZING!!!
MARVELOUS!
The biggest surprise for me was my theater giving daredevil the loudest reaction.
My theater had no reaction like no one knew who he was lmao
@@lordmasonchase7696 lol
John's gonna taunt the motion capture picture over our heads forever 🤣
The villains getting sent back to their universes as “cured”, creates a new branch reality that will open up the door for the continuation of their stories in future Spider-Man projects.
Kim is an Oracle. I thought there was no way that "Spider-Man No Way Home" would have a $250 million opening weekend. I was completely WRONG. This movie was simply awesome.
17:40 John no one underestimates this scene, it's literally the point of the film, the origin of spiderman, taking on the pain/ the responsibility, of having great power, discovering that this is the best way to protect the ones he loves most.