I want to believe but every time I see a video about out of place objects they say the line "We couldn't do this today.". Yes, we can. Easily. Just because you personally don't understand machining, chemistry, physics, geology etc doesn't mean that humanity doesn't.
The same with architecture. Just because "Brutalist" architects have the creativity of a 2 year old playing with Lego blocks, does not mean the rest of Humanity is not creative.
I took some anthropology classes taught by an actual archeologist/anthropologist who had traveled the world on big excavations, Africa and S America included. This banter is entertaining, but these guys don’t know anything about ancient/prehistoric technology other than what they see from other UA-camrs. 😂
@@Nick_HammerBingo. Any human can get insanely good at something if they spend a lifetime doing it. But no amount of skill with primitive tools is going to make precision *measurements*. These aren’t just impressive looking stone jars. They are *precision manufactured* stone jars, obviously turned on a lathe, but from a people that didn’t have the wheel yet. The official explanation is laughably inadequate.
I got professional machining training with manual and automatic lathes and mills and a few years of experience. Normal industrial machining parts have an accuracy between 10-100 micron depending on usecase. Very rarely is there an order for parts with 1 micron accuracy and thats already scratching the limit of what such machinces are capable of. There is no reason to machine parts to 1 micron accuracy if not absolutly necessary because it adds a lot of complexity and costs and can easily go wrong, everything from the settings to the speed and rotations and even the correct temparatur has to be taken into account to get accuracy consistently down to 1 micron. The vase in UnchartedX's new video has 0.1 micron accuracy with one of the hardest stones there are and can easily shatter. I've never worked with stone, only metal but getting a 0.1 micron accuracy isnt something we could do nowadays with this type of stone, forget it, no chance!
They obviously had tools or methods more advanced than what academia gives them credit for. Maybe not all of the tools or methods have been discovered, but their structures, wares, and art show they were obviously quite sophisticated. We've been trained to think ancient people were more primitives who descended from even more primitive prehistoric people. But the ancients themselves thought their ancestors lived in better times than they did, and had legends of a golden age in the past. The Greeks and Romans both have myths of various ages starting with a golden age first, and across the sea the Aztecs had their five suns myth that espouses a similar idea to what the Greeks and Romans thought. Though the Genesis creation story doesn't explicitly say anything that would indicate their were other creations before us, ancient Jews did think there were other creations before us that were all destroyed (that can be read about in one of their ancient midrash texts, or The Legends of the Jews by Louis Ginzberg). I think if you get out of the mindset we've been taught that the ancients were all primitive, and instead listen to the stories the ancients told themselves, then suddenly it doesn't become as surprising that there were ancient people who were quite sophisticated.
I've never heard the ancient Egyptians being referred to as primitive by academics. Yes, their tools were primitive compared to ours, but certainly their civilisation was considered to be very sophisticated. The only people I hear refer to them as primitive are the 'lost ancient advanced civilisation' crew. It's necessary for them to be framed that way as they then can try to convince you that they were incapable of building their own monuments and instead they were created by some other makey uppey advanced civilisation that was wiped out by a cataclysm 12k years ago.
@@Leeside999 Maybe not the word "primitive" itself used specifically, but I just used that word to mean the basic concept that ancient people didn't have all the abilities we have today.
@@Leeside999 Well yes, I suppose both of those things would be on the list of abilities we have today they didn't have back then. I suppose you can add watching a video about it and then typing messages people can read on a computer screen to that list as well.
Main stream archeology has refused to study these vases they studied the remains of the food or whatever was in them but not the stoneware themselves its ridiculous
I used to watch guys like randal carlson , graham hancock and bright insight and foundout how our current political order and belief systems are holding back new discoveries that'll change the whole understanding of our history and even stop some fanatics fighting based on religion or faith !!!!
From a Young Earth Creation perspective, it's easy to see why the older stuff is better. Genesis 11 lays out how long lived those first post flood generations were. They lived so long that they became the gods of the ancient world. Zues=Ham, Poseidon=Japheth, Hades=Shem. Shem is said to have lived for 500 years after the flood. He outlived not just his children but his grandchildren and great-grandchildren. After the old gods died off, men and a few lesser gods were left emulating their works.
I have a web page with actual precision calculations of one of the vases with diagrams (the 12cm one you were holding up). I'm also the one who figured out the profile is a parabola rotated 9 degrees. But Ben refuses to mention it. My dealings with Ben informed me that he can't do basic algebra. So when I found an equivalent relationship of 4 in the vase instead of PI, Ben became very hostile. I didn't understand why at the time. But now it's clear he ascribes to sacred geometry. So he took it as if I was eliminating the need for the ancients to know of PI. This is also why Ben likes those circles and the report by the cryptographer, but anyone with minimal math knowledge knows it's all bunk. The vases are impressive on their own. But because Ben can't do basic algebra, he doesn't realize how he's hurting his own cause.
Going to have to call Adam out on the Antikythera mechanism, it wasn't 'found at the bottom of the seas somewhere' it was found IN a SHIPWRECK off the cost of Antikythera, a part of a very large and expensive collection of goods. Including another first and only- a freaking war dolphin.
Geopolymers still don't explain the pin-point precision of the vases. You still need to produce the molds in which to pour your polymer. Those need to be as precise as the outside of the vases are. Plus, those suckers are hollow. Would be very difficult to get the inside right in the middle and then get it out, wthe bottom being broader than the top. Most (if not all) of the iron objects found in Egypt dating from the time of the Dynasties wasn't "repurposed". It was iron that came from meteors. That's why iron was so rare and expensive. The strange thing is that the iron was worked in such a way that it didn't rust. And this was before the advent of the "Iron Age", which made trading of iron nigh impossible since no-one used it yet.
They don't say they used chisels to core out vases, they say they used tube drills. Somebody has been watching too many mystery grifter channels. You'll learn nothing from them.
Do they show the cracked or flawed quartz crystal vases found with these other ones the expert i saw interviewed said they would just destroy themselves if you tried to cut them on a lathe today ? They are next level amazing
Note to the editor: I had no idea what the context of this was beyond Vases. It took me a solid 3-4+min to understand we were talking about a vase carved of granite... I think lol. Wildly intriguing, but it was also without any front-end context for me to understand the overall significance.
12:58 If that's a wheel, it's an awful one lol. That thin bit would break off in no time... And if it's meant to be mated to a metal piece as part of a device/machine... Same problem. The metal would almost certainly destroy it. If it were mated to something wood, it might work for a time, but ultimately, the wood would be ground away or destroyed. I daresay, I agree with it possibly being artistic. However, I've never seen that thing before now, nor am I in any way shape or form and archaeologist, so what do I know lol.
This is for a completely different show called “forbidden frontier.” For some reason, they are putting clips and replays here with the TV and movie stuff instead of a separate channel.
would love to see someone try to make a replica
I want to believe but every time I see a video about out of place objects they say the line "We couldn't do this today.". Yes, we can. Easily. Just because you personally don't understand machining, chemistry, physics, geology etc doesn't mean that humanity doesn't.
The same with architecture. Just because "Brutalist" architects have the creativity of a 2 year old playing with Lego blocks, does not mean the rest of Humanity is not creative.
I took some anthropology classes taught by an actual archeologist/anthropologist who had traveled the world on big excavations, Africa and S America included.
This banter is entertaining, but these guys don’t know anything about ancient/prehistoric technology other than what they see from other UA-camrs. 😂
Whether or not we could do it today isn't really the point, it's that they were able to do it 5 or 10 thousand years ago
@@Nick_HammerBingo. Any human can get insanely good at something if they spend a lifetime doing it. But no amount of skill with primitive tools is going to make precision *measurements*. These aren’t just impressive looking stone jars. They are *precision manufactured* stone jars, obviously turned on a lathe, but from a people that didn’t have the wheel yet.
The official explanation is laughably inadequate.
I got professional machining training with manual and automatic lathes and mills and a few years of experience. Normal industrial machining parts have an accuracy between 10-100 micron depending on usecase.
Very rarely is there an order for parts with 1 micron accuracy and thats already scratching the limit of what such machinces are capable of.
There is no reason to machine parts to 1 micron accuracy if not absolutly necessary because it adds a lot of complexity and costs and can easily go wrong, everything from the settings to the speed and rotations and even the correct temparatur has to be taken into account to get accuracy consistently down to 1 micron.
The vase in UnchartedX's new video has 0.1 micron accuracy with one of the hardest stones there are and can easily shatter. I've never worked with stone, only metal but getting a 0.1 micron accuracy isnt something we could do nowadays with this type of stone, forget it, no chance!
Keep up great work 10000 truth energy graced to u
They obviously had tools or methods more advanced than what academia gives them credit for. Maybe not all of the tools or methods have been discovered, but their structures, wares, and art show they were obviously quite sophisticated. We've been trained to think ancient people were more primitives who descended from even more primitive prehistoric people. But the ancients themselves thought their ancestors lived in better times than they did, and had legends of a golden age in the past. The Greeks and Romans both have myths of various ages starting with a golden age first, and across the sea the Aztecs had their five suns myth that espouses a similar idea to what the Greeks and Romans thought. Though the Genesis creation story doesn't explicitly say anything that would indicate their were other creations before us, ancient Jews did think there were other creations before us that were all destroyed (that can be read about in one of their ancient midrash texts, or The Legends of the Jews by Louis Ginzberg). I think if you get out of the mindset we've been taught that the ancients were all primitive, and instead listen to the stories the ancients told themselves, then suddenly it doesn't become as surprising that there were ancient people who were quite sophisticated.
I've never heard the ancient Egyptians being referred to as primitive by academics. Yes, their tools were primitive compared to ours, but certainly their civilisation was considered to be very sophisticated.
The only people I hear refer to them as primitive are the 'lost ancient advanced civilisation' crew. It's necessary for them to be framed that way as they then can try to convince you that they were incapable of building their own monuments and instead they were created by some other makey uppey advanced civilisation that was wiped out by a cataclysm 12k years ago.
@@Leeside999 Maybe not the word "primitive" itself used specifically, but I just used that word to mean the basic concept that ancient people didn't have all the abilities we have today.
@@Archaeonauts Depends to what extent you mean by abilities. I mean clearly they weren't splitting atoms or flying to the moon.
@@Leeside999 Well yes, I suppose both of those things would be on the list of abilities we have today they didn't have back then. I suppose you can add watching a video about it and then typing messages people can read on a computer screen to that list as well.
Main stream archeology has refused to study these vases they studied the remains of the food or whatever was in them but not the stoneware themselves its ridiculous
There has been studies of vases and vase making.
I used to watch guys like randal carlson , graham hancock and bright insight and foundout how our current political order and belief systems are holding back new discoveries that'll change the whole understanding of our history and even stop some fanatics fighting based on religion or faith !!!!
They literally study everything but the owner of the fake vase refuses to have it studied by anyone not in their pay.
*Reupload the HOTD Season 2 Finale Breakdown please kind sir*
Give the people what they want
It got copyright claimed... It will have to be edited
@@KjellThe3rd ahh ok cool. Thanks
It was only copyrighted claimed because HBO cannot handle a bad review. They have not pulled a single one till now.
@@donduck73 True that. It’s back up now though
From a Young Earth Creation perspective, it's easy to see why the older stuff is better. Genesis 11 lays out how long lived those first post flood generations were. They lived so long that they became the gods of the ancient world. Zues=Ham, Poseidon=Japheth, Hades=Shem. Shem is said to have lived for 500 years after the flood. He outlived not just his children but his grandchildren and great-grandchildren. After the old gods died off, men and a few lesser gods were left emulating their works.
I have a web page with actual precision calculations of one of the vases with diagrams (the 12cm one you were holding up). I'm also the one who figured out the profile is a parabola rotated 9 degrees. But Ben refuses to mention it. My dealings with Ben informed me that he can't do basic algebra. So when I found an equivalent relationship of 4 in the vase instead of PI, Ben became very hostile. I didn't understand why at the time. But now it's clear he ascribes to sacred geometry. So he took it as if I was eliminating the need for the ancients to know of PI. This is also why Ben likes those circles and the report by the cryptographer, but anyone with minimal math knowledge knows it's all bunk. The vases are impressive on their own. But because Ben can't do basic algebra, he doesn't realize how he's hurting his own cause.
Going to have to call Adam out on the Antikythera mechanism, it wasn't 'found at the bottom of the seas somewhere' it was found IN a SHIPWRECK off the cost of Antikythera, a part of a very large and expensive collection of goods. Including another first and only- a freaking war dolphin.
Geopolymers still don't explain the pin-point precision of the vases. You still need to produce the molds in which to pour your polymer. Those need to be as precise as the outside of the vases are. Plus, those suckers are hollow. Would be very difficult to get the inside right in the middle and then get it out, wthe bottom being broader than the top.
Most (if not all) of the iron objects found in Egypt dating from the time of the Dynasties wasn't "repurposed". It was iron that came from meteors. That's why iron was so rare and expensive. The strange thing is that the iron was worked in such a way that it didn't rust. And this was before the advent of the "Iron Age", which made trading of iron nigh impossible since no-one used it yet.
@@JimmyRJump pole lathe
They don't say they used chisels to core out vases, they say they used tube drills. Somebody has been watching too many mystery grifter channels. You'll learn nothing from them.
Ssssh. We make money off ignorance.
House D stream is blocked
This is so dumb that it almost funny
Do they show the cracked or flawed quartz crystal vases found with these other ones the expert i saw interviewed said they would just destroy themselves if you tried to cut them on a lathe today ? They are next level amazing
They are! Traditional lathe would, if the cutting depth was too deep would DESTROY the quartz.
For the last time... ITS A ROPE MAKER WHEEL.
house of dragon stream is Down Boyss plzz dix it
Uncharted x is 🔥.
OOPARTS are GREAT for breaking "narratives"!
12:00 the top right thing has a serial number stamped on it...
Note to the editor: I had no idea what the context of this was beyond Vases. It took me a solid 3-4+min to understand we were talking about a vase carved of granite... I think lol. Wildly intriguing, but it was also without any front-end context for me to understand the overall significance.
Egyptian First Dynasty diorite bottles. Look it up. Same thing.
Oh, and I have a novel about this stuff. Wanna read. I'd value your opinion, Gary.
Soft rock was popular world wide
( after the global flood)
NRDRTC!!!!!
12:58 If that's a wheel, it's an awful one lol. That thin bit would break off in no time... And if it's meant to be mated to a metal piece as part of a device/machine... Same problem. The metal would almost certainly destroy it. If it were mated to something wood, it might work for a time, but ultimately, the wood would be ground away or destroyed. I daresay, I agree with it possibly being artistic. However, I've never seen that thing before now, nor am I in any way shape or form and archaeologist, so what do I know lol.
The Fore Bidden Frontier!
I come bidden to the fore!
Oh fuck... I'm Biden.
Guess this channel is done with bashing dead franchises and now wants to dip its toes into pseudo-archaeology for some reason !!! 😂😂😂
This is for a completely different show called “forbidden frontier.” For some reason, they are putting clips and replays here with the TV and movie stuff instead of a separate channel.
@@josephbrown9685 Either way I'll say archaeology is far more interesting than present-day movies though !!!🥱
AY UP GAZZA
Boring. Kinda weird that you guys keep saying "vosses", pronounced "Bosses", instead of VASES.
You're boring for posting this comment