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Just an interesting side fact about Vinland: a study of trees in Iceland and Greenland has lead some botanic researchers to theorize that vikings were transporting seeds and saplings from Canada to support tree farms back home. This is very recent discovery, and I think it's very interesting.
I remember seeing something about lumber found in old buildings on greenland came from Canada. The dating of the timber proved people had been harvesting timber from Canada long after vikings were to have left the new world
I doubt vikings brought seeds and saplings for no good reason (it's not as if North America didn't have trees.) I think the theory that these trees are similar because, via Pangea, the land masses were close or actually together, suits this better.
@@rodjacksonxwhy wouldnt vikings bring tree saplings and seeds with them? Scandinavians were farmers too. They would have seen the value of bringing plants they liked from another location with them. The span of continental drift spans such a great length of time the divergence of evolution would likely be much greater.
The penny story is amazing, not because it's actually that remarkable of a find, but because of the mental image of someone amazed at the discovery and talking about how revolutionary it is, while Mellgren just digs though his shell pile and goes "Cool. Go tell someone who cares"
This is actually a terrifying thought. Imagine how many items in archeology that has been thrown away, simply because they didn't care about that particular find. I know for a fact (I have a high interest in archeology) that during the early 1900's, a lot of archeologists actually only cared about finds that would generate money, so if they didn't get anything for it, they just chucked it in the bin. Modern time archeologists have been doing work on previously known places and found a lot of items that the previous archeologists just left in the ground.
In the book Lies My Teacher Told Me by James Loewen phd, he has a chart that with percntages of probability of visitation to the Americas by Europeans for trade well before their supposed discovey. It had been going on fo a thousand or more years but just wasn't in mainstream consciousness. The printing press changed how information became available to the mainstream. It's completely unsurprising really.
The Vikings visited Vinland around 1090, based on dendochronology of trees used for the huts at L‘Anse aux Meadows. Sonia’s not too far fetched to discuss if one of their pennys found their way further down the coast, either through the Vikings themselves or as a token that was transferred between Native Americans.
Vikings have been here 500 years before Columbus. New Jersey coastline, BARNEGAT BAY LIGHTHOUSE. They found a Viking village there in the 1930s. 1964 there was a helmet and shield of vikings flowed up on Jersey Shore. I brought the current event in, for proof on my fourth grade. I received a D- minus because I said The Vikings were here first. Teach said, "I don't care, do you want an A"? I said, "absolutely"! She says, "then just follow what's in the book"! Just a thought from the cowboy from🗽🇺🇸 Scottsdale Arizona @unclemartin7711
@@unclemartin7711 I hope you doubled down and said no, you go by evidence. My daughter was told that the island Guernsey, in the British Channel Islands, did not exist, so my mother's family could not have come from there. Teachers can be so stupid.
@@SciFiFemale There is more to the story. I went to 4 fourth grades. I had the same test 4 × ! 1.B) 2.B) 3.B+) 4.D-) My parents were teachers, I said the teacher was wrong. They immediately said, never tell a teacher they're wrong!
@@SciFiFemale My mom pulls out the current event that I had on my last fourth grade, said show her the evidence. Ask her to reasses your grade. Again, when I show her the evidence,she tells me she knows about it. If I want an A follow what's in the book! I was blessed to see at that age, school was rigged. Never believed anything I read, until I applied it in life.That was pretty Crummy what they were doing to me. Now they're teaching KIDS individually, what pronoun they should be. Just a thought🗽 from the cowboy from Scottsdale Arizona🇺🇸
Funny how that amateur archeologist was so flippant about the Main Penny because he was interested in old pottery, not coins. Now the coin is all that he is remembered for.
Yup the "airplane" model they used is actually a figurine of a suckerfish i believe its called. Bottomfeeder fishy. Thats why it had round shapes and eyes on the top of the head.
0:50 - Chapter 1 - The maine penny 2:00 - Mid roll ads 3:20 - Back to the video 6:00 - Chapter 2 - The london hammer 8:35 - Chapter 3 - Quimbaya artifacts 11:55 - Chapter 4 - Samotherium
No doubt. Considering we still have people now who collect foreign coins despite how easier they are to obtain in our day and age I don't doubt people back then would also treasure foreign coins. If at least those who had the wealth/means to trade something of value for a coin they wouldn't be able (or willing) to use. Or maybe found?
yep , used an aeroplane, made from carbon fibre.nuclear powered . even had the name of pontius, pilots name etched on it with a laser.so it must be real .
Well... Maybe not on their own ships. But since the Phoenicians sailed to Cornwall to buy tin, Egyptians could well have made such a voyage and reported back home first-hand. It's a shame that all the ancient libraries did not survive the Arab attack on the Eastern Roman Empire...
I stupidly lost a Roman silver denarius from my collection here in southern, Ontario, Canada. A first century B.C.E. denarius. It had been in my pocket, and I was shocked to find my pocket had gotten a hole in it just big enough for the coin to fall out. Just imagine someone finding it years from now and claiming that Romans must have crossed the Atlantic and made it to the Niagara region of Canada.
Why would you just walk around with it loose in your pocket. You were shocked it fell out? I’d be shocked if you hadn’t lost more if you just casually walk around with loose ancient coins in your pocket.
@@cbob213 Yeah, I was shocked it fell out…and gone. First and last time I made that mistake. Yes..I kicked myself in the ass for that one. I guess someday…some lucky person will find it. Get it identified, and think “Wow….the Romans must have made it to North America.”
Yes, it is an odd story. Our friend here might simply have some aversion to the idea that the White Norsemen might’ve had a bigger impact on North America than previously believed.
😂 i found it and took it back to europe. I burried it in one of the od mc donald Douglas planes. Now imagine that find 😂. Allegedly 😏 Sorry to hear of your loss
@@SoSimonSays I've always said that geology is based on circular reasoning. They can't explain fossils of fish in the process of eating another fish. How did a fish die that suddenly, lie on the bottom to be covered up by mud and then turn into a fossil without being eaten by something else or rotting? How are there standing trees going through hundreds of thousands of years of rock layers? There are a lot of unexplainable anomalies that can only be explained by believing the Biblical version of things.
i love how everyone glosses over the fact that ancient people possibly - just quite possibly - couldn't have any "artistic expression" when making cave paintings or sculptures or drawing on a stone tablet. it's *ALWAYS* "this thing that's weathered a millennia in the elements looks closest to this thing that i know about today, so THEREFORE, *that* must be what it is!" eye roll
The same principle applies about them apparently not seeing the colour blue due to their text's way of describing it, it doesn't say "blue" so therefore they didn't see it according to certain types of people.🙄
I had a conversation with a Seneca Iroquois that had a theory about the Vikings. He stated that there are about 200 words in the Iroquois language that are identical to Old Norse in every way. Don’t know if others investigated it.
@@chrisgrill6302 my exMIL was part Onadaga Iroquois and active in tribal affairs, but had no comment on it. Remember there was a saying that you could dress an Iroquois in the latest fashion and have him walk the boulevards of Paris without anyone knowing the difference. This Seneca gentleman also had a theory on 3 of the Big Island of Hawaii’s pantheon of gods (each island had a separate pantheon until conquered by Kamehameha). Since Madame Pele, her brother, the war god and their sister weren’t physically the same they may have come from a Norse voyaging ship that made it around Cape Horn. These 3 were tall, white if skin and either blond or red heads. Norse and Polynesian voyaging were in the same time period about 1000 CE.
@@michaeltelson9798 as a sailor I find that story about a Viking boat making it all the way to Hawaii not credible. Thats a really long way. Lief Ericcson left Iceland with I think 13 vessels, only 8 made it only as far as Greenland (something like that). I've no trouble imagining that some of the Nova Scotia Icelanders mixed or traded with the locals (though according to their writings the "skraelings" were extremely hostile. Kidnap seems as likely).
The Maine Penny, if truly found there, proves one thing and only one thing. It was not there before it was minted. Once minted, it could have gotten there a year later or 100 years later or 500 years later. It just can’t be there before it was minted.
Particularly since he didn't take notes on the depth it was found at. It could have been traded and worn as a necklace for a long time before it ended up there.
I think the point wa that the refuse pile had been abandoned, and the contents the penny was found in dated back much farther than 1492. That's why it's a mystery... but, it's not a mystery. Norse explorers used objects they had plundered to make jewelry and adornments to show off their conquests. It could have easily been a part of one of those, and was either taken by, or traded to natives in the north, then traded along the trade route down the east coast.
Nah, it could have been there as an unfinished piece of metal, in the shape of a coin but without anything engraved/embossed, then transported to Scandanvia and minted there.
Hard to believe that "experts" believe that anything is 400,000,000 years old. They believe in "uniformitarianism," which means that things that take a certain amount of time have always taken the same amount of time. It turns out that probably isn't true. In the case of carbon 14 dating, dates before a certain period of time need the numbers adjusted to match proven dates of things based on dendrochronology and astronomy. If carbon 14 decays at different rates at different times, then perhaps other things do as well. The eruption of Mt. St. Helens was in the 80s, but rock has already formed from the ash, dirt, and pebbles from that eruption.
I wouldn't actually find it surprising if odd bits of Norse artifacts are found here and there along the US East coast over time (other than they would just be few and hard to find). The fact they made it to Newfoundland, and that they had a tendency to just follow coast lines for extremely long distances to see what is to be found suggests there might have been a voyage or two along the East Coast. It's not like they kept good records of anything. Of course that doesn't mean they did much other than sailing down and back up and maybe occasionally meeting some natives and possibly trading with a few or hauling interesting things back home. There's just as equal a chance they never did go anywhere near the US coastline either. Another thing I've always wondered is how much "junk" could have crossed the Atlantic or Pacific over time and ended washed up on shorelines either carried by storms or lodged inside dead sea life. We see such in the modern day plenty, even metal objects not just plastics and the like. Or how many people might have been swept out to sea and actually survived to also wash up on a far coastline. As unlikely as it is for anyone to have intentionally made it across those oceans before deep sea sailing, it had to have happened a few times on accident. I find it improbable that the Old World and the New World stayed perfectly, pristinely isolated for thousands of years without the odd something or someone washing up here or there.
Also regarding historians saying that the Vinland settlement lasted for mere decades, that's the site of L'Anse aux Meadows. It's widely known that Greenland's Vikings continued doing expeditions to North America to get timber.
Trade. Ramah chert from Ramah bay in the Torngat Mountains of Labrador has been found as far away as the Great Lakes. Trade routes and off-and-on contact between the Inuit, First Nations, and Norse are pretty much the simplest answer.
The hammer immediately looked like ordinary flowstone as you see in any mine. It is insanely common to find tools completely encased in stone in a mine that has been abandoned for only decades. Strange this object gathered any attention at all. It's interesting, yes, but very ordinary.
I Grew up in New London, Texas where it was found and there are no mines where it was found. . The soil is very sandy with lots of iron ore deposits. so lots of quarries but the ground would be too unstable for mining. If i had to guess the hammer was probably used in railroad construction or during the oil boom. Really not sure how it would have ended up incased in the rock
Its documented that a Bristol trader Richard Amerike financed a voyage to the USA in 1497 and it was claimed that his charts were used by Columbus. This was dismissed, yet recently documents were found in Spanish archives which not only confirmed that his chart existed and had his name on it, Amerike, but also that Columbus had actuallt used it. Therefore, it was Richard Amerike's surname on the original chart that was used as the name of America, not Amerigo Vespucci first name. It would in fact be unprecedented to use a commoners first name in such a way. The interesting thing is, that its also claimed that Bristol fishermen knew of lucrative fishing grounds off the coast of America for centuries before, but kept it quiet. Could this coin have been taken there by a Bristol fishermen I wonder ?
So, why is the "bird's" tail vertical? Not horizontal. Which is not copying at all. It's innovation based on a naturally aerodynamic concept of flight. But, the tail being vertical only makes sense if you were actually testing it.
Dont worry i have better one for you….This concretion theory has weight. If the hammer could have been covered in concretion instantly (not that long ago), why couldn’t that be the case with the other artifacts that are claimed to be thousands or millions of years old?
I grew up in a place with beyond hard mineralized well water. The well was 150 ft deep and hit a huge aquifer in solid rock. There was one faucet for drinking water that didnt run the water through the water softener. About every 3 years, you had to chip bits of concretion off the faucet mouth. It was caked on around the faucet mouth and the consistency of cement. If you didnt do that, the concretion would have turned into a foot long stalactite within a decade. The London Hammer is nothing spectacular. Anyone who grew up with a highly mineralized well will tell you how fast concretion can grow.
@@dirtfarmer7070 different kinds of rock form at different rates. Flow stone precipitates out of water and doesnt take long for enough to accumulate to cover something.
@@dirtfarmer7070 Geology textbooks are expensive, but you could probably find some at your local library. It's all fascinating. I mean, basalt, pumice and obsidian and other igneous rocks might be formed as soon as the lava and ash start to cool, but some tuffs take longer for the ash to cement together. Calcium carbonate deposits can solidify more quickly than sandstone or mudstone, which need to be buried under more layers to consolidate firmly. If limestone is buried deep under layers of other sediments, heat and pressure will turn it into marble over the course of millions of years.
@@maryanneslater9675 thanks for the tip. Not a geologist but very interested in the world around me. Have watched much of this happen in my own lifetime. Sometimes in a matter of hours during massive local flooding. The power of nature is truly awesome.
There was a similar claim about an ancient sparkplug found in a lake in California; same story-it was a 1920s sparkplug that had been concreted by minerals in the water.
I dropped a plastic comb in a trench that I was digging in Germany in 1985, I later learned that people were doing a dig in the area in 1990. I wonder what they would make of a plastic comb being found at the Stone Age layer?
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@@mariovillarreal8647 It's one that they first thought was English and then thought was Norse. He interrupted that segment with the sponsored segment hence the confusion.
@@frankfrank366 it seems they referred to an old English penny, then started calling it a Norse coin. Thank you for clarification. Love&Peace from CentralCoastCalifornia 💕
Very interesting as usual. When it was announced in the late 1960s that Britain's money was going to be decimalise, there was a rush to save less common dates of very common coins from those in circulation. During this period I removed from my pocket change a few pennies and halfpennies from the Victorian era. Pre-1921 sterling silver shillings, florins and halfcrowns were more numerous than Victorian bronze, and 50% silver coins from George V and George VI were common. I still have hundreds of these coins in a box! It is not a great leap to imagine that a Norse coin from the 10th century, having been used as an inherited pendant, might still be kicking around a couple of hundred years later until lost or discarded in Maine, USA. While the other artefacts shown appeared to be photos of the actual objects, the coin shown appeared to be complete, with no evidence of corrosion or a lost puncture hole. One is forcibly reminded of a certain popular UA-cam "archaeology" channel that shows Hollywood film scenes and artefacts from totally different times and cultures to illustrate its narration. Few people have ever had the broad education to distinguish the real from the artificial in such circumstances, and there is a danger that the false image is conflated with the truth. If an original artefact cannot be fairly represented, better it not be falsly visualised unless it's made absolutely clear what's being shown instead.
@Frank_Nemo I do paragraphs, but UA-cam doesn't recognise them for some reason. I'm willing to bet important parts of my anatomy that my English is better than your English, but your IT will almost certainly be better than mine. If you have an explanation as to why my paragraphs, as written, do not appear as presented here, I'd be pleased to see it?
I'm very surprised you found silver coins circulating in the UK in the late 1960s, especially since you did away with circulating silver entirely in 1947. Canada ended their silver circulating coins in 1968 (after experimenting for a year with .500 fine from .800 fine), and the US took all the silver out of the dime and quarter in mid-1965 (when they finally stopped striking 1964 dated coins), and finally from the debased half dollar (.900 to .400) in 1969 (the 1970 halves weren't produced for circulation.) But I AM impressed that you know the difference in silver content changed, but you're a year off. The sterling to .500 happened in 1920, not 1921. I imagine most folks are unaware of the change from sterling to .500 from 1920 to 1946.
Either they were visiting later than previously thought or - and remember this - I could take my 1667 Charles II Crown and take it anywhere, lose it and it would be found much later and someone could use it's existence in that location to assume that British people visited that area during the reign of Charles II, even if the area in question hadn't been discovered in 1667. The date or proven age of a coin does not mean it has been there since that time.
Re: the Norse silver penny. I think the most likely explanation is that a Norse settler/traveler traded (in Labrador) it to a Native American who then wore it/took it to Maine. Then, while in Maine lost it in the midden pile.
Somewhere where I grew up in British Columbia, Canada is a 13th century Scottish coin which my dad lost from his coin collection in the 1960's. If someone finds it, they would be silly to conclude that the Scots of the middle ages ever visited.
Soooooo. Did you have anything to do with this alleged "loss"? Perhaps traded for a few baseball cards or a slingshot? Fess up. You're anonymous here. Though we will notify your Dad. :)
With how extensive trade routes were, it wouldn’t surprise me at all that a Viking would have either traded with a Native American or some NAs found the coin after a squirmish between the two groups. Then they ended up bringing it south for trading. It seems pretty simple and far more plausible
This is exactly why it wasn't until 1960 that it was accepted that the norse traveled to NFLD. There had been local legends through out NFLD for more than a hundred years of viking artifacts. Many of which were probably fabricated. many of which were probably displaced from private collections and then later found. The burden of proof to 'officially' change history is quiet high. It took finding actual DNA evidence very recently of Polyansian travel to south america for the scientific community to widely accept it as fact. Despite there being a great deal of evidence for a very long time now.
@@claytonberg721We just need an archeological dig to prove things like this. Without proper applied techniques and documentation anyone could have placed anything anywhere.
Even if out of place artifacts usually end up being hoaxes, fakes, and whatnot are still a lot of fun and the legit ones like the Antikythera Mechanism are absolutely fascinating and often raise so many questions.
I now only see the thumbnail; that's limestone that quickly formed around it. There even are hats covered in limestone, and christian channels call them "fossils".
All the megalithic construction in the ancient world is mind blowing. Loads of jars found on Egypt that look exactly like they have been core drilled. How else is possible, an archologist can tell me they used copper and sand and whatever nonsense they come out with. Having worked with mega hard stones. Granite for example is so brittle that there is no way im going to belive that they did not have some lost ancient technology. Definitely not some posh man on UA-cam who im gonna assume has never worked with granite. Let alone dolomine, that's without even mentioning the marks left on blocks of stone that look exactly the same as a cut mark made by a petrol cutter with a diamond blade. Ive done it a million times and it looks exactly the same.
In the top drawer of my Ikea desk is a 19th century American gold $10 coin. Considering Ikea was not founded until 1943, how on earth could such an object have been deposited there?
You ever heard of flash floods and landslides or tectonic shifts. Or humans dumping up on land. It really wouldn't take long for that much soil to be dumped up by humans.
I take it you've never heard of archaeology, which is the science of understanding the past through material, like artifacts...? Because the conclusion an archaeologist would come to if they found your coin in your Ikea desk hundreds of years from now (assuming your Ikea desk hasn't distintegrated) is NOT that the Ikea desk was around a century before it could have been, but that your coin...much like the coin in this video...was placed in the LATER artifact. Do you understand? The coin wasn't just found on the beach, surrounded by nothing. It was found in an archaeological dig...a poorly recorded one, but one nonetheless...containing artifacts OF A SIMILAR AGE to the coin. That is, if your 19th century $10 Eagle was discovered in the theretofore undisturbed grave of Thomas Redman, who died in 1868, then they would identify the coin and Redman as *contemporaries* , but would NOT identify your Ikea desk as such. Archaeology is a real thing.
You can't be serious. Don't say this outloud. Ikea dressers are man made, a man put it in there. Most likely within a year before you purchased it. They wouldn't have dressers from 1943 sitting in there warehouse. So mentioning that was pointless.
I love how people conclude an animal existed during a time period because of a sculpture. Even if it didn't represent a deer, it would still just be artwork.
The problem with the penny is it could have gotten there at literally anytime middens aren't completely undisturbed, somebody could have been digging it a week earlier and lost their good luck piece. No way to know.
What intrigues me is why no-one seems to compare the flying Quimbaya artefacts with flying fish. aren't flying fish found in both the Pacific and Atlantic in the waters around the north part of South America?Today there are about 60 odd types of this species (so who knows how many variations existed when these artefacts were made). If you review the various types, you can see so many similarities. Looking forward to Simon's scoffing, derisive approach explaining the unusual construction techniques used in the likes of Machu Picchu, Pumapunku and even the Pyramids ...
Flying fish are mid-ocean creatures not usually found in the near shore zone. There's no archeological or other scientific evidence the cultures on the Pacific coast of South America traveled far enough out into the ocean to become familiar with flying fish. In addition, flying fish don't have vertical tail surfaces or delta shaped wings. The fins they use to glide over the water look like fins not wings.
We must agree to disagree. For example, Search on UA-cam and you'll find video footage of flying fish off the coast of California. From what I've seen, it definitely confirms that the tail fins are held vertically when gliding. There are also over 60 types of flying fish. Also remember that the Inca Empire stretched along most of the western coast of South America (plus the Aztec Empire would have had knowledge of the modern day Mexican coast in the north) so it is perfectly plausible that they would know about flying fish. As for the delta shape, I think the artefacts have been stylised because of practical difficulties in manufacture or to make the items more robust for the use they were intended for. (e.g., one of many views is that some were funeral urns). For me, its the evidence of advanced construction techniques used at the likes of Machu Picchu or Pumapunku attributed to so called primitive peoples that is more of a mystery than these artefacts. @@marielarrison101 🤓
@@marielarrison101 - so the flying fish that kept crash-landing in my boat while twenty metres off shore (Fiji) were completely imaginary then were they?? Sigh.
@@marielarrison101 Flying fish can and do get close to the shore. Flying fish are a species in the family Exocoetidae, (Exocoetidae derives from Exocoetus which translates to "fish that sleeps on the shore". So, there is no reason that the locals would have never seen a flying fish). Flying fish have vertical tails as do all fish. There is no fish that has a horizntal tail. Fish tails (vertical) go side to side, mamalian (horizontal) tails go up and down. If you look at all of the artifacts, you will see that they are all stylised versions of the animals that they represent. In the case of the flying fish the 'wings' are larger and some have little curls along the front edge depicting waves. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quimbaya_artifacts#/media/File:Precolombina_cultura_prc.jpg
Some possibilities. 1. there were advanced civilizations even that far back. 2. ET colonies 3. time traveler lost a hammer. I personally think its a combination of all 3. Of course it could be a modern hammer that has been misinterpreted wrong LOL.
oh the London Hammer isnt a hammer it's a frying pan which a baby dinosaur hit his father over the head repeatedly while repeating "Not the momma, Not the momma, not the momma"
I have heard the "London hammer" mentioned often. I am surprised that the concretion explanation was never mentioned. I suppose it would have spoiled the story.
Might be the sources for sure. Anytime I've ever heard it mentioned, it was usually in context of "but it was common for this sort of thing in this sort of conditions in that area followed by other similar objects
#1 Artefact: Probably delivered there by the Basque whalers, who had a whale processing station on an island (easier to defend) on the St Lawrence, a few Kilometers East of present-day Montreal...
Imagine being a time traveler you travel back in time with a fn hammer with wooden handle. Idk I figure the technology would probably be a lot better in the future.
@@Jayhit-well, I can't say for certain how time travel works but I doubt you can take everything with you. So say it was time travel, maybe they needed a hammer and forgot to pack one and decided to make one
7:59 Yup. There's a cave on one of our neighbor's property. He uses it as a well from time to time. There's pipe in there that's circa 1956 ish that's basically embedded in the formations. And this isn't just in the cave, but even at the mouth. Nature can move both fast and slow. I could place a hammer in there and in a decade it would be completely encased.
One thing the Quimbaya sculptures do prove however is that their culture did have some very skilled artisans It's also possible that the coin made its way there because a settler took it with them. People do like to collect old stuff after all, even back then.
I'm thinking a Native American of the time wouldn't have much use for a Viking coin other than "Oh, pretty". So put a string on it and wear it around his or her neck. After a while somebody offers to trade something for it and so it ends up where it was.
I think the most likely explanation for the coin is a Native American was given the coin or stole it or found it lying around and turned it into a pendant. As you said it was a big trading hub for tribes so the best explanation was it belonged to a native who dropped it at the site
Bro it's crazy to me that they were just tossing those shells and meanwhile the native Americans in Texas would use them for spoons or make stylized ornaments with their shells. Some tribes in Texas would've killed for that stash 🤣🤣
I want to write a whole story about a lost Viking landing in North America and being taken in as a friend by an outcast Native American. Through struggle and shenanigans, they become like brothers. One day - tragedy. A wild Bear attacks, and though they fight bravely, the Viking is mortally wounded. He gives to his friend the only trinket he has remaining from home: His penny. From that day, the Native American wears it as a symbol of their brotherhood, finally meandering south to Maine, where he spends the rest of his days near that trade hub, before finally passing on, not long after losing his precious amulet.
If the hammer was encased in a limestone concretion, the 'rock' could be identified with vinegar which would dissolve it. Definitely with HCl, which wouldn't affect silicate rocks.
I'm amazed you didn't look up the Quimbaya figurines any more than this. The "planes" were made after a species of fish found in the waters around the site where the Quimbayas lived. The resemblance is uncanny. You can't miss it. It even has the small frills on its pectoral fins, just like the figurines, which were, of course, removed by those two geniuses who made model planes.
i think the frog is a representation of a revolutionary war era Tank, due to the spurred wheels in the rear. the hopping may be a depiction of canon kickback, or possibly the color of the corrosion of forge iron turning green.
If you mean the gold statue with the emerald in it, there are some people that thing that, due to the "gears", "mudflaps" and squared off tail, it is supposed to be an image of a backhoe, but conventional guesses say a jaguar.
Coins with holes were not likely pendants....they were carried by stringing them together,..sometimes woven into clothing for travel. Thank you for the video.
That is not true. Coins with holes are not the true weight minted and are sold as jewelry to this day in Middle East Souks and India. It is debased currency and not carried as a means of exchange. Coin shaving was a capital offense for a reason.
Norse people, or "vikings" used their earnings from around the world as jewelry, because the value was not in the coin, but the iron, silver and/or gold it was made of. We didn't even have currency at that time in history in the Nordic countries :P I have heard of money being woven into clothing, but that was very specific to certain finds if I remember correctly.
@@excelsior6365 Denmark still uses coins today that have holes in the center from their tradition of putting them on strings in the past. However you are right ofc that ppl would drill holes and turn coins into jewelry too.
It also could've been a conversation piece among the indigenous tribes. Each possessor of the coin would tell a story about how he or she acquired it from a tribe up the coast who in turn got it from some pale hairy men who spoke a strange language.
@@LinardsZ said; " It also could have been from Vikings" Of course it was from the Norsemen. The penny was authenticated as 11th century Norse, the video said :"There is no debate." I apologize if you have a learning disability, but the posters above you were discussing the travels of the obviously Norse coin after it came to the Americas since it's origin is not in question and was firmly established in the video. I am glad you are not from the USA, btw.
@@contumelious-8440 I wrote it because I thought it could have been from them from maybe even from the ones from greenland who stayed there and traded with other people. Sorry that I didn't write it in more sentences.
@@contumelious-8440 BTW I also didnt read the other comment before watching the video farther. About the choise of my name I did it when I needed to name all 50 states of USA and point them on World map which I can do I also know US history better then a lot of americans.
The Maine penny isn't particularly mysterious. There's a significant body of evidence to support the idea that Greenlanders made periodic trips to North America long after the abandonment of their settlement in Newfoundland. As to how it got to Maine, the most likely explanation is that it was carried there by a Native American. Native American trade networks were extensive. Excavations of the Spiro Mounds in Oklahoma turned up items which originated in Illinois and Mexico. Prehistoric Europeans had trade networks which stretched from the Near East to the British Isles. It would be laughable to suggest that 12th century Native Americans couldn't have traded an interesting trinket from Newfoundland to Maine.
Whoever calls "insane" other people for thinking outside the box is probably not a very open-minded person... Have a look at the comments on these videos... You guys are supposedly here to learn and everyone is so condescending... Between having a drink with a guy that believes that a perfectly intact hammer could be 400 million years old and people who mock him just to feel better about themselves, I'd go with the hammer guy...
@@SLRModShop - there never was HUMAN being 400 million years ago. Think about it. Hammers are man's idea. In the story of creation the bible said that whatever the "man"(adam) called a thing, that was its name. So HAMMER is Human idea NOT of spirits not of angels because they dont need composite things. Spirits and Angels are simple beings, they are all spirits and they DONT absolutely need hammer. Hence anyone who says that such hammer was 400Million years old was absolutely insane.
This also proves that fossilization of any organic material can occur much faster than millions of years, as geologist myself the evidence that the Earth's age is not accurately measured using carbon dating methods are staggering
Sorry, common mistake, ROCKS can be made with some base materials and an agent to start the reaction. With gravel and that agent rocks can be made in any form the gravel was poured in. There are beautifully made walls with stones so close together that not even a knife could be sticked in between the stones. Those stones were made on the spot, the gravel was poured in a wooden mould. This hammer was somewhere in the wrong place when the gravel and the agent came came together, the rock formed around the wooden handle of the hammer, that is all.
If he was, you'd probably end up living under a bridge considering the way he just agrees with the mainstrean narrative and doesn't seem to think for himself. 😅
@@ohlawd3699like what bird has a vertical and horizontal tail like that. The engineers designing planes figured out they needed a vertical tail piece to keep the plane stable or it wouldn’t fly. Birds can twist their wings and bodies to change direction.
In south-central Oklahoma, we've got a mineral-rich stream called "Travertine Creek." It's full of travertine, which'll come out of solution at the drop of a hat... or a bottle cap, or a bottle, or a hammer. We find modern junk embedded in travertine _all the time,_ and we all know there's nothing unusual about it. Not all rocks take _millions of years_ to form. A lot _do,_ but not _all._
Exactly, so we have to be consistent. One of the greatest dangers is dating from a rock formation, and transferring this across continents to claim the formation is the same. Checks and balances, always.
Imagine if we really assume that artist of the past made everything precisely and to the slightest detail as true masters... In hundred of years from now.: "By looking on this 14th century painting, we can say it's utterly certain that people used to dance with devils and most of the peasants of that era were very tiny people ruled by enormous giants."
I've seen pictures of those figurines and those vertical tails depend on the figurine in question: some don't have one, some have one but looks more bent than vertical (it's metal, it can bend in weak spots), some have one behind a more normal looking tail (which may easily be a feature to tie a cord around like those that appear in some frog figurines) and some are not birds at all (either insects or misidentified long-finned fish).
@@jorgelotr3752 Yet some do have vertical tails. One looks suspiciously like a delta wing jet. You can't dismiss that easily. I'm not saying anything definitively, just that some of these can't be easily dismissed. I find that very interesting.
@@retiefgregorovich810Huh. I find it rather easy to dismiss, actually. Occam's razor is *heavily* in favour of it depicting birds and insects, rather than a jet plane.
Can't wait to see a retraction video when they discover some isolated pocket of still living sivatherium. I always loved the existence of out of place artifacts, seemingly impossible things of ancient designs such as the Bimini Road. Most if not all are fake or have differing interpretations but its cool to see these apparently anachronistic objects and what they could be evidence of.
@@nicholaslewis8594 It is by all apparently, hence the seemingly impossible thing about it. Its out of place because people are interpreting a probably natural formation as something man made. Its a bit like the hexagonal basalt columns in places like the Giant's Causeway, something that seems man (or giant) made but isn't. Also I apparently can't spell column without a spellcheck.
How about the Coelacanth? Thought to have been extinct 66 million years ago and then a guy caught one in 1938 off the coast of South Africa. I would have loved to hear the "experts" back-pedaling on that one. I'd sure like it if scientists said "we think" more often and "we know" hardly ever.
@@YourHineyness Thats honestly what I was thinking of. Those "living fossils" that show up occasionally or the confirmed extinct animals that then a isolated group is found like the black footed ferret. Its HIGHLY unlikely, sorta like finding the fabled still living Wooly mammoths, but not entirely impossible either. Definitely agree on the "we know" vs "we think", I'm denser then lead and even I know science should never be taken as 100 percent fact, just fact as far as we know right now.
Out of all the items shown, I held onto the belief in the story behind the iron hammer. This was due to the story I read saying it had been found deep underground during a mining operation. Once I heard that it was actually found at pretty much ground level and next to running water, I immediately thought it was just an accumulation of minerals somewhat similar to how stelagtites or stalagmites are formed. (I know, a bit of a reach). I guess the only thing left to rediscover is how the Pyramids were built in the timeframe they were said to have been built in and also who actually built them. I've read that even ancient Egyptians were to have said they were already built before they settled in the area, but at this point it's difficult if not impossible to believe anything written about this. Still, I have hope the truth will come out in my lifetime, but at 60 years old it better happen soon! ;)
If the hammer had been aboveground in flowing water for an extended period, it would have rusted away and the handle would have rotted away before it was enclosed. It could have been dropped in a very mineral-rich spring, but even that is a reach.
It's called the fur hat... not the tinfoil. Pimping second hand information to try and appear as a scientist and push an atheist agenda. While it's obvious that the hammer was probably a concretion... the THEORY of evolution has been debunked by MODERN science. The creation museum he is referring to wasn't founded to state the obvious, it was founded to debunk BAD science. In the park it resides, there are human footprints inside of t rex tracks. These have also been discovered in other areas but geology professors who are ingrained in academia and not questioning the findings will not address it. There in lies the problem. When you call yourself a scientist... your JOB is to look at everything and draw a conclusion based on the scientific method. The theory of evolution fails all FIVE points.
Why did the penny have to be brand new when it was lost on the Maine coast? Could it not have been a 12th C British penny, or Norse coin or whatever, that a Brit brought over and lost in the 1700? Seriously, I lose old shit all the time.
The issue is that it was found in a pile of discarded shells and bones that dated back to 1200. How did it get there, when the pile had been abandoned for hundreds of years prior to the English landing in that area? The most likely explanation is that it was acquired, or taken from Norse explorers, by natives far to the north, and traded again and again, eventually finding it's way down south. It was probably part of a necklace, and dropped off while someone was working, dumping stuff on the pile.
Archaeologists will sit and argue for years that this animal doesn't look EXACTLY like a deer, and never consider that maybe the artist just wasn't that good.
The thing about the figurines that look like birds is the vertical tail. That doesn't exist in nature. Only in flying machines. I wonder if they may have been modeled on kites of some kind.
I thought they were based on giraffes 😂 it's amazing to me how many people don't understand that people at that time had just as advanced brains as us so they may have made gliders
Thank you. We automatically think we are the smartest people who ever lived because we have cellphones and electric clothes dryers. I think our ancestors were smarter than us because they built awesome structures with hardly any tools, moved multi-ton stones something like 60 miles to Stonehenge, and moved 100 ton stones up high in walls like in the temple at Baalbek. The Great Pyramid being so precisely laid out to within fractions of a degree. The rock at Macchu Picchu being moved from a mountain across the valley and 7000 feet up another mountain. What our ancestors did is amazing. Today the average person can't even figure out how to assemble IKEA furniture with printed instructions. Do we have geniuses? Sure, but I believe the intelligence of the average person has dropped substantially.@@patrickday4206
I wouldn't rule out that the people that made the quimbaya artifacts might have had a simple understanding of aerodynamics. Enough to play around with the idea of flight. Like Asian cultures did with kites. And Europeans with early gliding toys. Chances are we'll never know. Because anything that could have glided would have likely been made out of biodegradable materials. To be clear. I don't believe they would have had any conception of powered flight, just enough to make figures and toys.
So...who claimed the concretion around the hammer dated to the Cretaceous period? Or was it a concretion found within a larger rock formation that was so dated? As for the Vikings trading in North America: I've heard of a site up on Baffin Island where some archaeologists suspect there was trade between the Vikings and local Inuit populations. I'm not particularly up on recent developments in archaeology, however, so I have no idea what mainstream analysis of that site says. The evidence was rather tenuous, as I recall - a few nails and remnants similar to Norse sod construction that might have been a trading shelter...but nails can turn up in driftwood that makes its way across the ocean given enough time, and sod construction is just cutting layers of grass-rooted dirt into bricks and effectively results in a house made of dirt. It's a pretty simple idea that an Inuit person in need of shelter could have come up with (especially given that culture devised the idea of cutting bricks out of snow to make an igloo, it's really not that much of a stretch for someone to try seeing if grass will hold together well enough to do something similar), and furthermore, the analysis that suggested the presence of a sod building was a new process and may not have held up since then. All in all, interesting theory but has room for considerable skepticism based on the documentary I saw alone.
the concretion explanation certainly holds water. But begs the statement that, apparently the dating process is inherently flawed if it keeps happening.
geologist " Those rock formations were formed millions of years ago " well " how did that hammer get inside the rock formation ? Geologist " Well those formations can form over a few decades "
In Khartoum one of Gordon’s gun boats sits in the mud on the banks of the Blue Nile. When I was there at the end of the 80’s it had been converted into a cafe, and so I went on board. At one point I looked over the side, and there, sticking out from under its Hull was the bow of a fibre glass motor boat - would this count in your list?
The hammer head was placed in the cavity, then the wooden handle which had been soaked in water to make it pliable was inserted. At least thats how I've seen it explained and saw being tested in a video. It worked.
Yes. I was taught this long ago. When your hammer or axe head gets loose put just a couple inches of water in a bucket and sit the tool in it. Let it soak up the water from the end and it'll swell up tight as new overnight.
IIRC there were a few artifacts from the Columbus expeditions that made it a ways up the East coast as well. plenty of other cross contamination as well. Lots of stories of sea kayaks with dead occupants showing up on European shores. As to the settlement of Greenland, The Vikings showed up first, then the Thulies showed up about a hundred years later. Written records from the Viking expeditions themselves showed how poorly they treated the locals, and were subsequently run out. Randomly shooting people dead along a beach from your ship for laughs and giggles will not bring about a nice reception when you finally come ashore.
I believe there have been many advanced civilizations over millions of years that have failed and then a new civilization grew to replace them, over and over and over again.
I have recently wondered about 65000yo bones found in Australia being described as Australian Aboriginal bones pertaining to the present Australian Aboriginal population. The present Aboriginal peoples have always been said to be @40000yo. Without dna is it not possible that the older bones are bones of a previously existing people that were already here and perhaps already gone when the current Aboriginal people came here 40000 years ago. Or possibly wiped out by the Australian Aboriginal people that did arrive here @40000 years ago. I think this is entirely possible as new discoveries are being made in Asia which both clarify and create new questions about human movement. The fact that dingoes were brought here @3500 years ago means there were other comings of people to our shores, although that too is something no one is allowed to talk about as it creates questions about the age of the present Aboriginal peoples. Perhaps the current Australian Aboriginals came here 3500 yrs ago and wiped out the 40000yo peoples or the 40000yo peoples were already gone. We do not have a lot of verified information here in Australia from back then. I never thought of archaeology or anthropology as possibly left wing but in today’s age I have been proven wrong on that point several times already so I don’t trust that all questions have been raised and considered. Some questions are not allowed to be asked here so the “answers”we have are hardly conclusive. Just curious if you think these are valid questions….
11:00 it is a little weird that the bird sculpture’s wings are connected at the bottom, usually birds wings are affixed to the middle of the body. When you hook at the frog sculpture the arms and legs are in roughly the correct place. Could be they had toy “paper” airplanes or kites these are meant to be gold versions of
Plus birds and insects don’t have upright tails like planes. While this isn’t needed for their flight, they are very important for aircraft control. That’s a rather larger difference.
@@msmliars908 oh yeah, good point I didn’t even notice that I was so fixated on the wings. Yeah, I doubt they had airplanes or even large gliders you could sit in but lots of different cultures thousands of years ago had kites and different kinds of flying/gliding toys
@@jaysunbrady You're not looking at it the same. In your reference you are considering the "Top" to be what we look at as the "Body" as a whole. What we are talking about is that the wings are connected all along the body all the way back to the Tail section. No bird I have ever seen has a Delta Wing configuration naturally. But some kites do.
Re: your comment that flying birds and insects are self-evidently aerodynamic, I have to point out that a bumble bee has been judged so un-aerodynamic that by all scientific standards it is impossible for it to get into the air at all.
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Lol Simon's door has the same design as the german rail service has on their regional trains. Probably "found" by fact boy 😂
Just an interesting side fact about Vinland: a study of trees in Iceland and Greenland has lead some botanic researchers to theorize that vikings were transporting seeds and saplings from Canada to support tree farms back home. This is very recent discovery, and I think it's very interesting.
Oh cool, im gonna look that up, thanks
I remember seeing something about lumber found in old buildings on greenland came from Canada. The dating of the timber proved people had been harvesting timber from Canada long after vikings were to have left the new world
That's pretty cool. If true, I wonder how much it has changed the flora.
I doubt vikings brought seeds and saplings for no good reason (it's not as if North America didn't have trees.) I think the theory that these trees are similar because, via Pangea, the land masses were close or actually together, suits this better.
@@rodjacksonxwhy wouldnt vikings bring tree saplings and seeds with them? Scandinavians were farmers too. They would have seen the value of bringing plants they liked from another location with them. The span of continental drift spans such a great length of time the divergence of evolution would likely be much greater.
The penny story is amazing, not because it's actually that remarkable of a find, but because of the mental image of someone amazed at the discovery and talking about how revolutionary it is, while Mellgren just digs though his shell pile and goes "Cool. Go tell someone who cares"
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This is actually a terrifying thought. Imagine how many items in archeology that has been thrown away, simply because they didn't care about that particular find. I know for a fact (I have a high interest in archeology) that during the early 1900's, a lot of archeologists actually only cared about finds that would generate money, so if they didn't get anything for it, they just chucked it in the bin. Modern time archeologists have been doing work on previously known places and found a lot of items that the previous archeologists just left in the ground.
In the book Lies My Teacher Told Me by James Loewen phd, he has a chart that with percntages of probability of visitation to the Americas by Europeans for trade well before their supposed discovey. It had been going on fo a thousand or more years but just wasn't in mainstream consciousness. The printing press changed how information became available to the mainstream.
It's completely unsurprising really.
The Vikings visited Vinland around 1090, based on dendochronology of trees used for the huts at L‘Anse aux Meadows. Sonia’s not too far fetched to discuss if one of their pennys found their way further down the coast, either through the Vikings themselves or as a token that was transferred between Native Americans.
Probably traded along. It was attractive and unique, so it had trade value in societies that didn't have our version of money.
Vikings have been here 500 years before Columbus.
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They found a Viking village there in the 1930s.
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Funny how that amateur archeologist was so flippant about the Main Penny because he was interested in old pottery, not coins. Now the coin is all that he is remembered for.
Having worked in a foundry, i can guarantee that if that hammer had fallen in hot slag, the handle would have been completely consumed by fire.
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How are you going to age a f****** rock that's been melted?
good thing thats not what happened then
@joeday3526 Yeah, I don't think that's a rational explanation, either.
@@westonbooth6230 if you cant dazzle em with brillance, baffle em with B.S.
The problem with the birds is the figurines depict a having a tail rudder, birds don't need them since they use ailerons.
Flying fish do
Yup the "airplane" model they used is actually a figurine of a suckerfish i believe its called.
Bottomfeeder fishy.
Thats why it had round shapes and eyes on the top of the head.
@@GekkeHenkie1313 Or a gurnard/searobin
You know what stylized means, don't you?
@@charlesunderwood6334 Then what about the horizontal tail with the vertical tail on the same figurine. Do fish have both?
0:50 - Chapter 1 - The maine penny
2:00 - Mid roll ads
3:20 - Back to the video
6:00 - Chapter 2 - The london hammer
8:35 - Chapter 3 - Quimbaya artifacts
11:55 - Chapter 4 - Samotherium
I'd say the Norse coin was probably traded for something and it gradually made its way down to Maine.
Yes, the simplest explanation is often the truth.
Wow like exactly how he said in the video?
@@wingerding Not really, he states trade continuing longer than thought. It's likely it was just passed along by natives themselves.
No doubt. Considering we still have people now who collect foreign coins despite how easier they are to obtain in our day and age I don't doubt people back then would also treasure foreign coins. If at least those who had the wealth/means to trade something of value for a coin they wouldn't be able (or willing) to use. Or maybe found?
I heard, from a reputable source, that the hammer belonged to Fred Flintstone originally. Fred let Barney Rubble borrow it and never saw it again.
True!!
@@DIMITRI-ddd lol I've always suspected that the Flintstones was a more accurate reality.
Bad thing Fred borrowed it from George Jetson who borrowed it from the handyman Henry .
Forget the coin, there’s a mummy in London’s museum thus proving ancient Egyptians traveled to London..
yep , used an aeroplane, made from carbon fibre.nuclear powered . even had the name of pontius, pilots name etched on it with a laser.so it must be real .
Well... Maybe not on their own ships. But since the Phoenicians sailed to Cornwall to buy tin, Egyptians could well have made such a voyage and reported back home first-hand. It's a shame that all the ancient libraries did not survive the Arab attack on the Eastern Roman Empire...
They found some in Australia too..
There's no other explanation, right? 😮
Didn't you see the movie? It only went to london in like 1930s
"The London Hammer" is totally going to be my MMA nickname. It's perfect, apart from the fact that I don't know MMA. And that I'm not from London.
Don't let either of those facts stop you.
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Fake, the hammer was encased in a calcium deposit which only takes a few years to form, think of you electric kettle!
I stupidly lost a Roman silver denarius from my collection here in southern, Ontario, Canada. A first century B.C.E. denarius. It had been in my pocket, and I was shocked to find my pocket had gotten a hole in it just big enough for the coin to fall out.
Just imagine someone finding it years from now and claiming that Romans must have crossed the Atlantic and made it to the Niagara region of Canada.
Why would you just walk around with it loose in your pocket. You were shocked it fell out? I’d be shocked if you hadn’t lost more if you just casually walk around with loose ancient coins in your pocket.
@@cbob213 Yeah, I was shocked it fell out…and gone. First and last time I made that mistake. Yes..I kicked myself in the ass for that one. I guess someday…some lucky person will find it. Get it identified, and think “Wow….the Romans must have made it to North America.”
Yes, it is an odd story. Our friend here might simply have some aversion to the idea that the White Norsemen might’ve had a bigger impact on North America than previously believed.
😂 i found it and took it back to europe. I burried it in one of the od mc donald Douglas planes. Now imagine that find 😂.
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Sorry to hear of your loss
@@robertwilliamson922or some kid found it and threw it in a trashcan and now it's sitting in a dump jaja
The wood would have turned to stone or rotted away a long time ago.
Seems like the common denominator is grossly inaccurate dating methods…
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how do we date the rocks, by the fossils, how do we date the fossils, by the rocks, oh no we go round round
@@SoSimonSays I've always said that geology is based on circular reasoning. They can't explain fossils of fish in the process of eating another fish. How did a fish die that suddenly, lie on the bottom to be covered up by mud and then turn into a fossil without being eaten by something else or rotting? How are there standing trees going through hundreds of thousands of years of rock layers? There are a lot of unexplainable anomalies that can only be explained by believing the Biblical version of things.
i love how everyone glosses over the fact that ancient people possibly - just quite possibly - couldn't have any "artistic expression" when making cave paintings or sculptures or drawing on a stone tablet. it's *ALWAYS* "this thing that's weathered a millennia in the elements looks closest to this thing that i know about today, so THEREFORE, *that* must be what it is!" eye roll
The same principle applies about them apparently not seeing the colour blue due to their text's way of describing it, it doesn't say "blue" so therefore they didn't see it according to certain types of people.🙄
Easy explanation for the hammer. The T-Rex was smarter then you think and developed making hammers as weapons because they had such small arms.
I thought that the T Rexes were dentists by trade and used such hammers to remove stubborn plaque.
11:20 no, there are no flying creatures with vertical tail fins.
I had a conversation with a Seneca Iroquois that had a theory about the Vikings. He stated that there are about 200 words in the Iroquois language that are identical to Old Norse in every way.
Don’t know if others investigated it.
Simon, if that is true that woudl be fascinating
Doesn't sound that improbable but if so I wonder why I haven't heard it before.
@@chrisgrill6302 my exMIL was part Onadaga Iroquois and active in tribal affairs, but had no comment on it.
Remember there was a saying that you could dress an Iroquois in the latest fashion and have him walk the boulevards of Paris without anyone knowing the difference.
This Seneca gentleman also had a theory on 3 of the Big Island of Hawaii’s pantheon of gods (each island had a separate pantheon until conquered by Kamehameha). Since Madame Pele, her brother, the war god and their sister weren’t physically the same they may have come from a Norse voyaging ship that made it around Cape Horn. These 3 were tall, white if skin and either blond or red heads. Norse and Polynesian voyaging were in the same time period about 1000 CE.
I read about a norse coin found drilling a well in Newyork
@@michaeltelson9798 as a sailor I find that story about a Viking boat making it all the way to Hawaii not credible. Thats a really long way. Lief Ericcson left Iceland with I think 13 vessels, only 8 made it only as far as Greenland (something like that). I've no trouble imagining that some of the Nova Scotia Icelanders mixed or traded with the locals (though according to their writings the "skraelings" were extremely hostile. Kidnap seems as likely).
The Maine Penny, if truly found there, proves one thing and only one thing. It was not there before it was minted. Once minted, it could have gotten there a year later or 100 years later or 500 years later. It just can’t be there before it was minted.
Particularly since he didn't take notes on the depth it was found at. It could have been traded and worn as a necklace for a long time before it ended up there.
I think the point wa that the refuse pile had been abandoned, and the contents the penny was found in dated back much farther than 1492. That's why it's a mystery... but, it's not a mystery. Norse explorers used objects they had plundered to make jewelry and adornments to show off their conquests. It could have easily been a part of one of those, and was either taken by, or traded to natives in the north, then traded along the trade route down the east coast.
When I get my time machine I'm planting this coin there earlier just to spite this comment 😂
Nah, it could have been there as an unfinished piece of metal, in the shape of a coin but without anything engraved/embossed, then transported to Scandanvia and minted there.
@@frankfrank366 No.
Hard to believe the wooden handle of the hammer would last 400M years
It would be petrified
Hard to believe that "experts" believe that anything is 400,000,000 years old. They believe in "uniformitarianism," which means that things that take a certain amount of time have always taken the same amount of time. It turns out that probably isn't true. In the case of carbon 14 dating, dates before a certain period of time need the numbers adjusted to match proven dates of things based on dendrochronology and astronomy. If carbon 14 decays at different rates at different times, then perhaps other things do as well. The eruption of Mt. St. Helens was in the 80s, but rock has already formed from the ash, dirt, and pebbles from that eruption.
It’s has actually started the process of turning to coal. To petrify it the handle would have to be immersed in water with specific minerals.
I wouldn't actually find it surprising if odd bits of Norse artifacts are found here and there along the US East coast over time (other than they would just be few and hard to find). The fact they made it to Newfoundland, and that they had a tendency to just follow coast lines for extremely long distances to see what is to be found suggests there might have been a voyage or two along the East Coast. It's not like they kept good records of anything. Of course that doesn't mean they did much other than sailing down and back up and maybe occasionally meeting some natives and possibly trading with a few or hauling interesting things back home. There's just as equal a chance they never did go anywhere near the US coastline either.
Another thing I've always wondered is how much "junk" could have crossed the Atlantic or Pacific over time and ended washed up on shorelines either carried by storms or lodged inside dead sea life. We see such in the modern day plenty, even metal objects not just plastics and the like. Or how many people might have been swept out to sea and actually survived to also wash up on a far coastline. As unlikely as it is for anyone to have intentionally made it across those oceans before deep sea sailing, it had to have happened a few times on accident. I find it improbable that the Old World and the New World stayed perfectly, pristinely isolated for thousands of years without the odd something or someone washing up here or there.
Also regarding historians saying that the Vinland settlement lasted for mere decades, that's the site of L'Anse aux Meadows. It's widely known that Greenland's Vikings continued doing expeditions to North America to get timber.
They were always looking for new places to pillage.
Trade. Ramah chert from Ramah bay in the Torngat Mountains of Labrador has been found as far away as the Great Lakes. Trade routes and off-and-on contact between the Inuit, First Nations, and Norse are pretty much the simplest answer.
I immediately thought that an animal like a fish or bird could've brought that coin there; ofc that doesn't have to be the case.
Or even down the St. Lawrence to the Mississippi.
The hammer immediately looked like ordinary flowstone as you see in any mine. It is insanely common to find tools completely encased in stone in a mine that has been abandoned for only decades. Strange this object gathered any attention at all. It's interesting, yes, but very ordinary.
It's more of an interesting curio than anything.
Accretion like this happens in decades. It doesn't even take centuries.
I Grew up in New London, Texas where it was found and there are no mines where it was found. . The soil is very sandy with lots of iron ore deposits. so lots of quarries but the ground would be too unstable for mining. If i had to guess the hammer was probably used in railroad construction or during the oil boom. Really not sure how it would have ended up incased in the rock
@@nopeandnope6306clandestine smelting?
OK fine, but if the rock was dated to 100,000,000 years old doesn't that call into question the dating methods?
Its documented that a Bristol trader Richard Amerike financed a voyage to the USA in 1497 and it was claimed that his charts were used by Columbus. This was dismissed, yet recently documents were found in Spanish archives which not only confirmed that his chart existed and had his name on it, Amerike, but also that Columbus had actuallt used it. Therefore, it was Richard Amerike's surname on the original chart that was used as the name of America, not Amerigo Vespucci first name. It would in fact be unprecedented to use a commoners first name in such a way.
The interesting thing is, that its also claimed that Bristol fishermen knew of lucrative fishing grounds off the coast of America for centuries before, but kept it quiet. Could this coin have been taken there by a Bristol fishermen I wonder ?
1492 ocean blue… I feel like something is wrong with your statement
I’m happy that we weren’t named North Vespucci and South Vespucci.
when do you think columbus set sail for the america's?
@@jwhatheduck And how does it feel to "feel like"? Happy? Sad? Suspicious, Gleeful?There's no such thing as "feel like", it's a thought.
No.
So, why is the "bird's" tail vertical? Not horizontal. Which is not copying at all. It's innovation based on a naturally aerodynamic concept of flight. But, the tail being vertical only makes sense if you were actually testing it.
Birds arent real
Please don’t distract me with facts when I have latched onto a perfectly good conspiracy theory.
Dont worry i have better one for you….This concretion theory has weight. If the hammer could have been covered in concretion instantly (not that long ago), why couldn’t that be the case with the other artifacts that are claimed to be thousands or millions of years old?
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Don't need a conspiracy to explain this.... the ancient aliens did it.
Hahah. As scarce as the truth is the supply always exceeds the demand
I grew up in a place with beyond hard mineralized well water. The well was 150 ft deep and hit a huge aquifer in solid rock. There was one faucet for drinking water that didnt run the water through the water softener. About every 3 years, you had to chip bits of concretion off the faucet mouth. It was caked on around the faucet mouth and the consistency of cement. If you didnt do that, the concretion would have turned into a foot long stalactite within a decade.
The London Hammer is nothing spectacular. Anyone who grew up with a highly mineralized well will tell you how fast concretion can grow.
I also find it astonishing how fast these natural processes can occur. However, when it suits us, it must have taken millions of years.
@@dirtfarmer7070 different kinds of rock form at different rates. Flow stone precipitates out of water and doesnt take long for enough to accumulate to cover something.
@@dirtfarmer7070 Geology textbooks are expensive, but you could probably find some at your local library. It's all fascinating. I mean, basalt, pumice and obsidian and other igneous rocks might be formed as soon as the lava and ash start to cool, but some tuffs take longer for the ash to cement together. Calcium carbonate deposits can solidify more quickly than sandstone or mudstone, which need to be buried under more layers to consolidate firmly. If limestone is buried deep under layers of other sediments, heat and pressure will turn it into marble over the course of millions of years.
@@maryanneslater9675 thanks for the tip. Not a geologist but very interested in the world around me. Have watched much of this happen in my own lifetime. Sometimes in a matter of hours during massive local flooding. The power of nature is truly awesome.
There was a similar claim about an ancient sparkplug found in a lake in California; same story-it was a 1920s sparkplug that had been concreted by minerals in the water.
You used the Quimbaya Artifacts title card for both parts 3 and 4
I dropped a plastic comb in a trench that I was digging in Germany in 1985,
I later learned that people were doing a dig in the area in 1990.
I wonder what they would make of a plastic comb being found at the Stone Age layer?
Were you carrying it in your sock?
They would be able to tell a trench was dug in recent years lol. At least any archeologist worth their salt.
Ancient aliens provided the proto-German people with advanced grooming technology...
There was a Norse coin found drilling a water well in Newyork
Why did you have a platic comb on you digging a trench?
I play this every morning now, this is therapeutically helpful and restores hope in me. All I ever wanted was for what I do to be appreciated, everything else I can get myself. Thank you for understanding and illustrating this. It literally gives me tears of joy after what I've been through
The coin could have been taken from the dead body of a Viking and made into a pendent by a Tribes man and found its way down the coast.
I thought it was a 12th century English penny; not a Norse coin? Were there two different out of place coins in this segment?
@@mariovillarreal8647 It's one that they first thought was English and then thought was Norse. He interrupted that segment with the sponsored segment hence the confusion.
@@frankfrank366 it seems they referred to an old English penny, then started calling it a Norse coin. Thank you for clarification. Love&Peace from CentralCoastCalifornia 💕
Funny thing You mentioned that hammer. The Smithsonian deemed it modern it seems what happened to it was common for that mine.
The clincher is the wood handle of course. It wouldn't have survived many centuries under such conditions.
Very interesting as usual. When it was announced in the late 1960s that Britain's money was going to be decimalise, there was a rush to save less common dates of very common coins from those in circulation. During this period I removed from my pocket change a few pennies and halfpennies from the Victorian era. Pre-1921 sterling silver shillings, florins and halfcrowns were more numerous than Victorian bronze, and 50% silver coins from George V and George VI were common. I still have hundreds of these coins in a box! It is not a great leap to imagine that a Norse coin from the 10th century, having been used as an inherited pendant, might still be kicking around a couple of hundred years later until lost or discarded in Maine, USA.
While the other artefacts shown appeared to be photos of the actual objects, the coin shown appeared to be complete, with no evidence of corrosion or a lost puncture hole. One is forcibly reminded of a certain popular UA-cam "archaeology" channel that shows Hollywood film scenes and artefacts from totally different times and cultures to illustrate its narration. Few people have ever had the broad education to distinguish the real from the artificial in such circumstances, and there is a danger that the false image is conflated with the truth. If an original artefact cannot be fairly represented, better it not be falsly visualised unless it's made absolutely clear what's being shown instead.
AI or just never heard of paragraphs?
@Frank_Nemo I do paragraphs, but UA-cam doesn't recognise them for some reason. I'm willing to bet important parts of my anatomy that my English is better than your English, but your IT will almost certainly be better than mine.
If you have an explanation as to why my paragraphs, as written, do not appear as presented here, I'd be pleased to see it?
I'm very surprised you found silver coins circulating in the UK in the late 1960s, especially since you did away with circulating silver entirely in 1947. Canada ended their silver circulating coins in 1968 (after experimenting for a year with .500 fine from .800 fine), and the US took all the silver out of the dime and quarter in mid-1965 (when they finally stopped striking 1964 dated coins), and finally from the debased half dollar (.900 to .400) in 1969 (the 1970 halves weren't produced for circulation.)
But I AM impressed that you know the difference in silver content changed, but you're a year off. The sterling to .500 happened in 1920, not 1921. I imagine most folks are unaware of the change from sterling to .500 from 1920 to 1946.
@@judewarner1536 You must use two "enters" to skip a line between paragraphs.
Like this. I figured this out the first day I ever posted online.
Either they were visiting later than previously thought or - and remember this - I could take my 1667 Charles II Crown and take it anywhere, lose it and it would be found much later and someone could use it's existence in that location to assume that British people visited that area during the reign of Charles II, even if the area in question hadn't been discovered in 1667. The date or proven age of a coin does not mean it has been there since that time.
Re: the Norse silver penny. I think the most likely explanation is that a Norse settler/traveler traded (in Labrador) it to a Native American who then wore it/took it to Maine. Then, while in Maine lost it in the midden pile.
Or someone lost their precious Norse coin from their collection because they had a hole in their pocket😂
isn't that what he said?
Somewhere where I grew up in British Columbia, Canada is a 13th century Scottish coin which my dad lost from his coin collection in the 1960's. If someone finds it, they would be silly to conclude that the Scots of the middle ages ever visited.
Soooooo. Did you have anything to do with this alleged "loss"? Perhaps traded for a few baseball cards or a slingshot? Fess up. You're anonymous here. Though we will notify your Dad. :)
With how extensive trade routes were, it wouldn’t surprise me at all that a Viking would have either traded with a Native American or some NAs found the coin after a squirmish between the two groups. Then they ended up bringing it south for trading. It seems pretty simple and far more plausible
This is exactly why it wasn't until 1960 that it was accepted that the norse traveled to NFLD. There had been local legends through out NFLD for more than a hundred years of viking artifacts. Many of which were probably fabricated. many of which were probably displaced from private collections and then later found.
The burden of proof to 'officially' change history is quiet high.
It took finding actual DNA evidence very recently of Polyansian travel to south america for the scientific community to widely accept it as fact. Despite there being a great deal of evidence for a very long time now.
@@claytonberg721We just need an archeological dig to prove things like this. Without proper applied techniques and documentation anyone could have placed anything anywhere.
No one would believe that a true Scotsman would lose a coin and not move heaven and earth to find it.😅
Even if out of place artifacts usually end up being hoaxes, fakes, and whatnot are still a lot of fun and the legit ones like the Antikythera Mechanism are absolutely fascinating and often raise so many questions.
I now only see the thumbnail; that's limestone that quickly formed around it. There even are hats covered in limestone, and christian channels call them "fossils".
All the megalithic construction in the ancient world is mind blowing. Loads of jars found on Egypt that look exactly like they have been core drilled. How else is possible, an archologist can tell me they used copper and sand and whatever nonsense they come out with. Having worked with mega hard stones. Granite for example is so brittle that there is no way im going to belive that they did not have some lost ancient technology. Definitely not some posh man on UA-cam who im gonna assume has never worked with granite. Let alone dolomine, that's without even mentioning the marks left on blocks of stone that look exactly the same as a cut mark made by a petrol cutter with a diamond blade. Ive done it a million times and it looks exactly the same.
Yet we assume the antikythera machanism is the best ancient people have ever done 🤔
In the top drawer of my Ikea desk is a 19th century American gold $10 coin. Considering Ikea was not founded until 1943, how on earth could such an object have been deposited there?
Uh....there's a huge difference in a loose penny in your drawer, and a coin unearthed under hundreds of years of accumulated soil.
You ever heard of flash floods and landslides or tectonic shifts. Or humans dumping up on land. It really wouldn't take long for that much soil to be dumped up by humans.
I take it you've never heard of archaeology, which is the science of understanding the past through material, like artifacts...?
Because the conclusion an archaeologist would come to if they found your coin in your Ikea desk hundreds of years from now (assuming your Ikea desk hasn't distintegrated) is NOT that the Ikea desk was around a century before it could have been, but that your coin...much like the coin in this video...was placed in the LATER artifact.
Do you understand? The coin wasn't just found on the beach, surrounded by nothing. It was found in an archaeological dig...a poorly recorded one, but one nonetheless...containing artifacts OF A SIMILAR AGE to the coin.
That is, if your 19th century $10 Eagle was discovered in the theretofore undisturbed grave of Thomas Redman, who died in 1868, then they would identify the coin and Redman as *contemporaries* , but would NOT identify your Ikea desk as such.
Archaeology is a real thing.
You can't be serious. Don't say this outloud. Ikea dressers are man made, a man put it in there. Most likely within a year before you purchased it. They wouldn't have dressers from 1943 sitting in there warehouse. So mentioning that was pointless.
I love how people conclude an animal existed during a time period because of a sculpture. Even if it didn't represent a deer, it would still just be artwork.
The problem with the penny is it could have gotten there at literally anytime middens aren't completely undisturbed, somebody could have been digging it a week earlier and lost their good luck piece. No way to know.
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If you pull the hammer from the stone, you become the king of the blacksmiths
Pretty obvious
Really though, why does it have a wooden handle?
Because one made of beets wouldn't hold up well lol! And I love the idea of king blacksmith from pulling it from the stone, gave me a chuckle.
You become "king arm and hammer." Yeah I know, it's bad.
Was thinking along the same lines😅😅
What intrigues me is why no-one seems to compare the flying Quimbaya artefacts with flying fish. aren't flying fish found in both the Pacific and Atlantic in the waters around the north part of South America?Today there are about 60 odd types of this species (so who knows how many variations existed when these artefacts were made). If you review the various types, you can see so many similarities.
Looking forward to Simon's scoffing, derisive approach explaining the unusual construction techniques used in the likes of Machu Picchu, Pumapunku and even the Pyramids ...
The first time I saw them, that’s the first thing I thought they were. But others have made the same connection.
Flying fish are mid-ocean creatures not usually found in the near shore zone. There's no archeological or other scientific evidence the cultures on the Pacific coast of South America traveled far enough out into the ocean to become familiar with flying fish. In addition, flying fish don't have vertical tail surfaces or delta shaped wings. The fins they use to glide over the water look like fins not wings.
We must agree to disagree. For example, Search on UA-cam and you'll find video footage of flying fish off the coast of California. From what I've seen, it definitely confirms that the tail fins are held vertically when gliding. There are also over 60 types of flying fish. Also remember that the Inca Empire stretched along most of the western coast of South America (plus the Aztec Empire would have had knowledge of the modern day Mexican coast in the north) so it is perfectly plausible that they would know about flying fish. As for the delta shape, I think the artefacts have been stylised because of practical difficulties in manufacture or to make the items more robust for the use they were intended for. (e.g., one of many views is that some were funeral urns). For me, its the evidence of advanced construction techniques used at the likes of Machu Picchu or Pumapunku attributed to so called primitive peoples that is more of a mystery than these artefacts. @@marielarrison101 🤓
@@marielarrison101 - so the flying fish that kept crash-landing in my boat while twenty metres off shore (Fiji) were completely imaginary then were they?? Sigh.
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Flying fish can and do get close to the shore. Flying fish are a species in the family Exocoetidae, (Exocoetidae derives from Exocoetus which translates to "fish that sleeps on the shore". So, there is no reason that the locals would have never seen a flying fish).
Flying fish have vertical tails as do all fish. There is no fish that has a horizntal tail. Fish tails (vertical) go side to side, mamalian (horizontal) tails go up and down.
If you look at all of the artifacts, you will see that they are all stylised versions of the animals that they represent. In the case of the flying fish the 'wings' are larger and some have little curls along the front edge depicting waves.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quimbaya_artifacts#/media/File:Precolombina_cultura_prc.jpg
Some possibilities. 1. there were advanced civilizations even that far back. 2. ET colonies 3. time traveler lost a hammer. I personally think its a combination of all 3. Of course it could be a modern hammer that has been misinterpreted wrong LOL.
oh the London Hammer isnt a hammer it's a frying pan which a baby dinosaur hit his father over the head repeatedly while repeating "Not the momma, Not the momma, not the momma"
I have heard the "London hammer" mentioned often. I am surprised that the concretion explanation was never mentioned. I suppose it would have spoiled the story.
Might be the sources for sure. Anytime I've ever heard it mentioned, it was usually in context of "but it was common for this sort of thing in this sort of conditions in that area followed by other similar objects
I highly recommend the 2009 documentary Land of the Lost. It explains how modern devices occur in stone from millions of years ago.
#1 Artefact: Probably delivered there by the Basque whalers, who had a whale processing station on an island (easier to defend) on the St Lawrence, a few Kilometers East of present-day Montreal...
Absolutely absurd for hammer to exist 400 million years ago. It’s clear case of time travelers leaving their equipment behind
Blasted tourists and their blasted littering!
Imagine being a time traveler you travel back in time with a fn hammer with wooden handle. Idk I figure the technology would probably be a lot better in the future.
@@Jayhit-well, I can't say for certain how time travel works but I doubt you can take everything with you. So say it was time travel, maybe they needed a hammer and forgot to pack one and decided to make one
Would be funnier if it was a 10mm socket
A wooden handle wouldn't last 400 million years.
7:59 Yup. There's a cave on one of our neighbor's property. He uses it as a well from time to time. There's pipe in there that's circa 1956 ish that's basically embedded in the formations. And this isn't just in the cave, but even at the mouth. Nature can move both fast and slow. I could place a hammer in there and in a decade it would be completely encased.
One thing the Quimbaya sculptures do prove however is that their culture did have some very skilled artisans
It's also possible that the coin made its way there because a settler took it with them. People do like to collect old stuff after all, even back then.
I'm thinking a Native American of the time wouldn't have much use for a Viking coin other than "Oh, pretty". So put a string on it and wear it around his or her neck. After a while somebody offers to trade something for it and so it ends up where it was.
4:12 It's nice that your editor has labeled AI art
Considering the penny was essentially found on a beach, it was probably a part of something else that just drifted accross the ocean
I think the most likely explanation for the coin is a Native American was given the coin or stole it or found it lying around and turned it into a pendant. As you said it was a big trading hub for tribes so the best explanation was it belonged to a native who dropped it at the site
Bro it's crazy to me that they were just tossing those shells and meanwhile the native Americans in Texas would use them for spoons or make stylized ornaments with their shells. Some tribes in Texas would've killed for that stash 🤣🤣
I want to write a whole story about a lost Viking landing in North America and being taken in as a friend by an outcast Native American. Through struggle and shenanigans, they become like brothers. One day - tragedy. A wild Bear attacks, and though they fight bravely, the Viking is mortally wounded. He gives to his friend the only trinket he has remaining from home: His penny. From that day, the Native American wears it as a symbol of their brotherhood, finally meandering south to Maine, where he spends the rest of his days near that trade hub, before finally passing on, not long after losing his precious amulet.
If the hammer was encased in a limestone concretion, the 'rock' could be identified with vinegar which would dissolve it. Definitely with HCl, which wouldn't affect silicate rocks.
I'm amazed you didn't look up the Quimbaya figurines any more than this. The "planes" were made after a species of fish found in the waters around the site where the Quimbayas lived. The resemblance is uncanny. You can't miss it. It even has the small frills on its pectoral fins, just like the figurines, which were, of course, removed by those two geniuses who made model planes.
The hammer is surrounded by what is known as a concretion. Look it up.
7:41 Yeah, he said that.
A Sailor had an old coin as a pendant for good luck and got to Maine and lost it...why make it more complicated than it has to be?
Because that "sailor" would have to have been around in the 12th century, as that is the archaeological strata within which the coin was found.
@@timber72The strata it said the cion was found in is just hearsay; it was not documented, and in case you are unaware, people lie.
They're not birds, they're not insects, they're not airplanes. They're fish.
Birds are not real
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Yep - what I was thinking too. They are VERY similar to the flying fish.
@@marcbeebee6969god you beat me to it😂
They don't have dorsal fins
Most important part of the Norse coin is explaining where Lucky Eddy lost his penny!
The cave painting looks like a normal moose
i think the frog is a representation of a revolutionary war era Tank, due to the spurred wheels in the rear. the hopping may be a depiction of canon kickback, or possibly the color of the corrosion of forge iron turning green.
Lol
If you mean the gold statue with the emerald in it, there are some people that thing that, due to the "gears", "mudflaps" and squared off tail, it is supposed to be an image of a backhoe, but conventional guesses say a jaguar.
Coins with holes were not likely pendants....they were carried by stringing them together,..sometimes woven into clothing for travel. Thank you for the video.
That is not true. Coins with holes are not the true weight minted and are sold as jewelry to this day in Middle East Souks and India. It is debased currency and not carried as a means of exchange. Coin shaving was a capital offense for a reason.
Using other historical accounts......this is not the case always. Your statement is not entirely true either. Thank you.@@excelsior6365
Norse people, or "vikings" used their earnings from around the world as jewelry, because the value was not in the coin, but the iron, silver and/or gold it was made of. We didn't even have currency at that time in history in the Nordic countries :P
I have heard of money being woven into clothing, but that was very specific to certain finds if I remember correctly.
@@excelsior6365 Denmark still uses coins today that have holes in the center from their tradition of putting them on strings in the past. However you are right ofc that ppl would drill holes and turn coins into jewelry too.
Taken out of context, hearing Simon mention a "Pre-Columbian civilization in Columbia" does sound rather amusing...hehe.
One billion, one hundred million, one million, one hundred thousand. These are moments of time we will never comprehend.
I love how skeptical you are Simon. Sometimes i find myself agreeing and sometimes im frustrated. Never change.
We need more people to be skeptical, especially when it comes to pre 20th century archeology.
Science is sceptical by definition.
I can imagine the Maine Penny being passed from group to group as an exotic ornament.
Someone was probably crestfallen to lose their shiny pendant.
It also could've been a conversation piece among the indigenous tribes. Each possessor of the coin would tell a story about how he or she acquired it from a tribe up the coast who in turn got it from some pale hairy men who spoke a strange language.
It also could have been from Vikings
@@LinardsZ said; " It also could have been from Vikings"
Of course it was from the Norsemen. The penny was authenticated as 11th century Norse, the video said :"There is no debate." I apologize if you have a learning disability, but the posters above you were discussing the travels of the obviously Norse coin after it came to the Americas since it's origin is not in question and was firmly established in the video.
I am glad you are not from the USA, btw.
@@contumelious-8440 I wrote it because I thought it could have been from them from maybe even from the ones from greenland who stayed there and traded with other people. Sorry that I didn't write it in more sentences.
@@contumelious-8440 BTW I also didnt read the other comment before watching the video farther. About the choise of my name I did it when I needed to name all 50 states of USA and point them on World map which I can do I also know US history better then a lot of americans.
Yeah my bad, I dropped that coin there, I’ll come grab it.
The Maine penny isn't particularly mysterious. There's a significant body of evidence to support the idea that Greenlanders made periodic trips to North America long after the abandonment of their settlement in Newfoundland. As to how it got to Maine, the most likely explanation is that it was carried there by a Native American. Native American trade networks were extensive. Excavations of the Spiro Mounds in Oklahoma turned up items which originated in Illinois and Mexico. Prehistoric Europeans had trade networks which stretched from the Near East to the British Isles. It would be laughable to suggest that 12th century Native Americans couldn't have traded an interesting trinket from Newfoundland to Maine.
Whoever said that such hammer is 400 million years old is literally insane.
Whoever calls "insane" other people for thinking outside the box is probably not a very open-minded person...
Have a look at the comments on these videos... You guys are supposedly here to learn and everyone is so condescending... Between having a drink with a guy that believes that a perfectly intact hammer could be 400 million years old and people who mock him just to feel better about themselves, I'd go with the hammer guy...
@@SLRModShop - there never was HUMAN being 400 million years ago. Think about it.
Hammers are man's idea. In the story of creation the bible said that whatever the "man"(adam) called a thing, that was its name. So HAMMER is Human idea NOT of spirits not of angels because they dont need composite things. Spirits and Angels are simple beings, they are all spirits and they DONT absolutely need hammer.
Hence anyone who says that such hammer was 400Million years old was absolutely insane.
Maybe 14,000
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This also proves that fossilization of any organic material can occur much faster than millions of years, as geologist myself the evidence that the Earth's age is not accurately measured using carbon dating methods are staggering
Imagine we have been lied to all our lives about how old human history truly is.
I can't get over the huge intake breaths he takes and how noticeable they are. Once you notice, you can't go back
I actually noticed for the first time this very video. How strange.
I didn't catch the breaths, but felt like his voice was deeper than normal. Maybe he had some kind of crud while filming this.
At least he doesn't sniff . . .
Sorry, common mistake, ROCKS can be made with some base materials and an agent to start the reaction. With gravel and that agent rocks can be made in any form the gravel was poured in. There are beautifully made walls with stones so close together that not even a knife could be sticked in between the stones. Those stones were made on the spot, the gravel was poured in a wooden mould. This hammer was somewhere in the wrong place when the gravel and the agent came came together, the rock formed around the wooden handle of the hammer, that is all.
I believe it was Utu.
I wish that Simon had been my teacher or professor. I can easily listen to him for hours in complete comfort and understanding.
If he was, you'd probably end up living under a bridge considering the way he just agrees with the mainstrean narrative and doesn't seem to think for himself. 😅
@@ohlawd3699like what bird has a vertical and horizontal tail like that. The engineers designing planes figured out they needed a vertical tail piece to keep the plane stable or it wouldn’t fly.
Birds can twist their wings and bodies to change direction.
Pretty sure this guy still thinks covid was made in nature
He's a presenter...he doesn't write this stuff. Who knows WHAT he believes.
Hi David. I'm just addressing presentation and not content.@@davidkymdell452
In south-central Oklahoma, we've got a mineral-rich stream called "Travertine Creek." It's full of travertine, which'll come out of solution at the drop of a hat... or a bottle cap, or a bottle, or a hammer. We find modern junk embedded in travertine _all the time,_ and we all know there's nothing unusual about it.
Not all rocks take _millions of years_ to form. A lot _do,_ but not _all._
Exactly, so we have to be consistent. One of the greatest dangers is dating from a rock formation, and transferring this across continents to claim the formation is the same.
Checks and balances, always.
Imagine if we really assume that artist of the past made everything precisely and to the slightest detail as true masters...
In hundred of years from now.: "By looking on this 14th century painting, we can say it's utterly certain that people used to dance with devils and most of the peasants of that era were very tiny people ruled by enormous giants."
even better with cubism, the world used to be made out of triangles and other simple shapes.
Great vid! Just one thing about Quimbaya artifacts. Birds don't have vertical tail feathers, but the figurines, do.
But the mainstream archaeologists say that they are birds...
I've seen pictures of those figurines and those vertical tails depend on the figurine in question: some don't have one, some have one but looks more bent than vertical (it's metal, it can bend in weak spots), some have one behind a more normal looking tail (which may easily be a feature to tie a cord around like those that appear in some frog figurines) and some are not birds at all (either insects or misidentified long-finned fish).
@@jorgelotr3752 Yet some do have vertical tails. One looks suspiciously like a delta wing jet. You can't dismiss that easily. I'm not saying anything definitively, just that some of these can't be easily dismissed. I find that very interesting.
@@retiefgregorovich810Huh. I find it rather easy to dismiss, actually. Occam's razor is *heavily* in favour of it depicting birds and insects, rather than a jet plane.
The tails maybe a way to hold them or used it their making.
Can't wait to see a retraction video when they discover some isolated pocket of still living sivatherium. I always loved the existence of out of place artifacts, seemingly impossible things of ancient designs such as the Bimini Road. Most if not all are fake or have differing interpretations but its cool to see these apparently anachronistic objects and what they could be evidence of.
Pretty sure the Bimini road is a natural formation.
@@nicholaslewis8594 It is by all apparently, hence the seemingly impossible thing about it. Its out of place because people are interpreting a probably natural formation as something man made. Its a bit like the hexagonal basalt columns in places like the Giant's Causeway, something that seems man (or giant) made but isn't. Also I apparently can't spell column without a spellcheck.
How about the Coelacanth? Thought to have been extinct 66 million years ago and then a guy caught one in 1938 off the coast of South Africa. I would have loved to hear the "experts" back-pedaling on that one. I'd sure like it if scientists said "we think" more often and "we know" hardly ever.
@@YourHineyness Thats honestly what I was thinking of. Those "living fossils" that show up occasionally or the confirmed extinct animals that then a isolated group is found like the black footed ferret. Its HIGHLY unlikely, sorta like finding the fabled still living Wooly mammoths, but not entirely impossible either. Definitely agree on the "we know" vs "we think", I'm denser then lead and even I know science should never be taken as 100 percent fact, just fact as far as we know right now.
Out of all the items shown, I held onto the belief in the story behind the iron hammer. This was due to the story I read saying it had been found deep underground during a mining operation. Once I heard that it was actually found at pretty much ground level and next to running water, I immediately thought it was just an accumulation of minerals somewhat similar to how stelagtites or stalagmites are formed. (I know, a bit of a reach). I guess the only thing left to rediscover is how the Pyramids were built in the timeframe they were said to have been built in and also who actually built them. I've read that even ancient Egyptians were to have said they were already built before they settled in the area, but at this point it's difficult if not impossible to believe anything written about this. Still, I have hope the truth will come out in my lifetime, but at 60 years old it better happen soon! ;)
If the hammer had been aboveground in flowing water for an extended period, it would have rusted away and the handle would have rotted away before it was enclosed. It could have been dropped in a very mineral-rich spring, but even that is a reach.
You have got the reach and already grabbed it, go the 7
"Fossil record" also shows "living fossils"...... the idea that one can date anything via speculation is absurd.
Simon is certainly a man of many hats.
Or, is it one hat that gets passed around and worn by many? 🤔💭
It's called the fur hat... not the tinfoil. Pimping second hand information to try and appear as a scientist and push an atheist agenda. While it's obvious that the hammer was probably a concretion... the THEORY of evolution has been debunked by MODERN science. The creation museum he is referring to wasn't founded to state the obvious, it was founded to debunk BAD science. In the park it resides, there are human footprints inside of t rex tracks. These have also been discovered in other areas but geology professors who are ingrained in academia and not questioning the findings will not address it. There in lies the problem. When you call yourself a scientist... your JOB is to look at everything and draw a conclusion based on the scientific method. The theory of evolution fails all FIVE points.
He only has one hat and it's a tiny one
The hammer, the wheelbarrow and a bunch of other objects found in mines that were petrified in place were caused by telluric currents.
Why did the penny have to be brand new when it was lost on the Maine coast? Could it not have been a 12th C British penny, or Norse coin or whatever, that a Brit brought over and lost in the 1700? Seriously, I lose old shit all the time.
Did you make any of that shit from scratch after finding the materials and fuel to make it you might not loose it if you had?
The issue is that it was found in a pile of discarded shells and bones that dated back to 1200. How did it get there, when the pile had been abandoned for hundreds of years prior to the English landing in that area? The most likely explanation is that it was acquired, or taken from Norse explorers, by natives far to the north, and traded again and again, eventually finding it's way down south. It was probably part of a necklace, and dropped off while someone was working, dumping stuff on the pile.
Archaeologists will sit and argue for years that this animal doesn't look EXACTLY like a deer, and never consider that maybe the artist just wasn't that good.
This dude is so cool, informative and has the perfect accent to narrate such intriguing documentaries. You da man for this!
The thing about the figurines that look like birds is the vertical tail. That doesn't exist in nature. Only in flying machines. I wonder if they may have been modeled on kites of some kind.
They're based off fish.
I thought they were based on giraffes 😂 it's amazing to me how many people don't understand that people at that time had just as advanced brains as us so they may have made gliders
Thank you. We automatically think we are the smartest people who ever lived because we have cellphones and electric clothes dryers. I think our ancestors were smarter than us because they built awesome structures with hardly any tools, moved multi-ton stones something like 60 miles to Stonehenge, and moved 100 ton stones up high in walls like in the temple at Baalbek. The Great Pyramid being so precisely laid out to within fractions of a degree. The rock at Macchu Picchu being moved from a mountain across the valley and 7000 feet up another mountain. What our ancestors did is amazing. Today the average person can't even figure out how to assemble IKEA furniture with printed instructions. Do we have geniuses? Sure, but I believe the intelligence of the average person has dropped substantially.@@patrickday4206
I wouldn't rule out that the people that made the quimbaya artifacts might have had a simple understanding of aerodynamics. Enough to play around with the idea of flight. Like Asian cultures did with kites. And Europeans with early gliding toys.
Chances are we'll never know. Because anything that could have glided would have likely been made out of biodegradable materials.
To be clear. I don't believe they would have had any conception of powered flight, just enough to make figures and toys.
It's a fish
@@tfordham13 so long, and thanks for all of them.
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So...who claimed the concretion around the hammer dated to the Cretaceous period? Or was it a concretion found within a larger rock formation that was so dated?
As for the Vikings trading in North America: I've heard of a site up on Baffin Island where some archaeologists suspect there was trade between the Vikings and local Inuit populations. I'm not particularly up on recent developments in archaeology, however, so I have no idea what mainstream analysis of that site says. The evidence was rather tenuous, as I recall - a few nails and remnants similar to Norse sod construction that might have been a trading shelter...but nails can turn up in driftwood that makes its way across the ocean given enough time, and sod construction is just cutting layers of grass-rooted dirt into bricks and effectively results in a house made of dirt. It's a pretty simple idea that an Inuit person in need of shelter could have come up with (especially given that culture devised the idea of cutting bricks out of snow to make an igloo, it's really not that much of a stretch for someone to try seeing if grass will hold together well enough to do something similar), and furthermore, the analysis that suggested the presence of a sod building was a new process and may not have held up since then. All in all, interesting theory but has room for considerable skepticism based on the documentary I saw alone.
the concretion explanation certainly holds water. But begs the statement that, apparently the dating process is inherently flawed if it keeps happening.
geologist " Those rock formations were formed millions of years ago " well " how did that hammer get inside the rock formation ? Geologist " Well those formations can form over a few decades "
In Khartoum one of Gordon’s gun boats sits in the mud on the banks of the Blue Nile. When I was there at the end of the 80’s it had been converted into a cafe, and so I went on board. At one point I looked over the side, and there, sticking out from under its Hull was the bow of a fibre glass motor boat - would this count in your list?
The hammer head was placed in the cavity, then the wooden handle which had been soaked in water to make it pliable was inserted. At least thats how I've seen it explained and saw being tested in a video. It worked.
Nope. It was Utu. Utu be praised.
Yes. I was taught this long ago. When your hammer or axe head gets loose put just a couple inches of water in a bucket and sit the tool in it. Let it soak up the water from the end and it'll swell up tight as new overnight.
IIRC there were a few artifacts from the Columbus expeditions that made it a ways up the East coast as well.
plenty of other cross contamination as well. Lots of stories of sea kayaks with dead occupants showing up on European shores.
As to the settlement of Greenland, The Vikings showed up first, then the Thulies showed up about a hundred years later.
Written records from the Viking expeditions themselves showed how poorly they treated the locals, and were subsequently run out.
Randomly shooting people dead along a beach from your ship for laughs and giggles will not bring about a nice reception when you finally come ashore.
You'd think the takeaway of the London Hammer would be: stop presuming these million-year dating techniques are in any way accurate!
If you think thats wild, imagine in 100,000 years they dig up an iPhone thats somehow survived what we are about to do to ourselves.
I believe there have been many advanced civilizations over millions of years that have failed and then a new civilization grew to replace them, over and over and over again.
I have recently wondered about 65000yo bones found in Australia being described as Australian Aboriginal bones pertaining to the present Australian Aboriginal population. The present Aboriginal peoples have always been said to be @40000yo. Without dna is it not possible that the older bones are bones of a previously existing people that were already here and perhaps already gone when the current Aboriginal people came here 40000 years ago. Or possibly wiped out by the Australian Aboriginal people that did arrive here @40000 years ago. I think this is entirely possible as new discoveries are being made in Asia which both clarify and create new questions about human movement. The fact that dingoes were brought here @3500 years ago means there were other comings of people to our shores, although that too is something no one is allowed to talk about as it creates questions about the age of the present Aboriginal peoples. Perhaps the current Australian Aboriginals came here 3500 yrs ago and wiped out the 40000yo peoples or the 40000yo peoples were already gone. We do not have a lot of verified information here in Australia from back then. I never thought of archaeology or anthropology as possibly left wing but in today’s age I have been proven wrong on that point several times already so I don’t trust that all questions have been raised and considered. Some questions are not allowed to be asked here so the “answers”we have are hardly conclusive. Just curious if you think these are valid questions….
What does "believe" mean? Being sure about something without need of proof.
I found an Egyptian mummy in my backyard, it's totally a pharaoh. Trust me bro.
11:00 it is a little weird that the bird sculpture’s wings are connected at the bottom, usually birds wings are affixed to the middle of the body. When you hook at the frog sculpture the arms and legs are in roughly the correct place. Could be they had toy “paper” airplanes or kites these are meant to be gold versions of
Plus birds and insects don’t have upright tails like planes. While this isn’t needed for their flight, they are very important for aircraft control. That’s a rather larger difference.
@@msmliars908 oh yeah, good point I didn’t even notice that I was so fixated on the wings. Yeah, I doubt they had airplanes or even large gliders you could sit in but lots of different cultures thousands of years ago had kites and different kinds of flying/gliding toys
That's what I was thinking, that they where representations of some kind of toy or kite.
Did you not notice the seagull whose wings are on the top of its body?
@@jaysunbrady You're not looking at it the same. In your reference you are considering the "Top" to be what we look at as the "Body" as a whole. What we are talking about is that the wings are connected all along the body all the way back to the Tail section. No bird I have ever seen has a Delta Wing configuration naturally. But some kites do.
Re: your comment that flying birds and insects are self-evidently aerodynamic, I have to point out that a bumble bee has been judged so un-aerodynamic that by all scientific standards it is impossible for it to get into the air at all.
Two word: “ancient aliens.” We need that guy with the crazy hair on the history channel