I don't need hair loss, neither do I need hair loss treatment! I go with the flow of nature! Hearing you complain makes my day. Yes, I enjoy your torment. Great episode dude, keep going!!
Far left Identity politics and cancel culture weirdos riddling the comic book industry with people like Zoe Quinn, Gail Simone, Kellly Sue DcConnick, Renfamous etc have removed good story telling and sacrificed it at the altar of 'diversity and inclusion'.
"Why aren't you buying my propaganda scum!" Because I don't like your characters and stories. "The only reason you would not like my characters is because you are racist, sexist and homophobic."
The thing is American comic industry shouldn’t be worried only about manga. Korean webcomics and Chinese novels are also catching up in the market so there is really no hope for American comic books at this point.
This is a trend that is growing strong, even in other media like eastern european comics/videogames slowly growing in popularity while north american ones stagnate.
"Comic books have always been for everyone." No, no they haven't. They've been for anyone, but never everyone. Anyone could become a comic fan. Not everyone was.
That's an excellent way of putting it. Comic books are a medium, and like most mediums, can be used to tell any story. But no story is really for everyone. We all have our own lives and experiences, our own tastes and preferences. Try to please everybody, and you'll please no one.
After the marvel movies became popular, I thought I would have lots to talk about with people since I've been a fan since I was little. Nope, nobody gives a shit. They just watch the movies and thats it.
I'm not really a manga reader, but lately I've almost exclusively been watching anime since so much live-action Western entertainment is just trash nowadays. I can find pretty much any genre in anime, and since I didn't watch much previously, it's ALL new to me. It's awesome.
@@Sssssss553 They will try to ruin anime and manga next and there's a decent chance they'll succeed. All they have to do is monopolize western anime distribution with the clause that they can "localize" certain elements of the property which is already being done with translations. So enjoy it while it lasts.
I was never much of a manga reader till I read Deathnote. I had watched the anime and was re-watching it when I found volume 1 of Deathnote Black Edition. Now I would almost rather read it
@@1810jeff Well, I can always still find pirated stuff with subs to avoid any "white-washing" they may do to dubbed versions, or unnecessary censorship of T & A for those ecchi series... That's how I was able to watch Interspecies Reviewers, had to find a bootleg of the subbed and uncensored version.
@@nothanks3236 True but keep in mind these options are usually only available to people that are already into anime or know their way around the internet and how to do so safety. So there's gonna be a massive drop in new non woke anime guys and if you've been paying attention anime like My Hero Academia is flooding the anime "community" with woke people and woke people (unless purged immediately) end up taking over communities. So keep that in mind and don't take what we currently have for granted.
Kentaro Miura's passing is not just tragic by what it meant to Berserk not ending. It's the reminder that amazing things are not made by corporations, but by individuals. And those amazing things end when the creator dies or leaves. And manga is all about the individual making that manga. That's why is so great. Is someone telling us a very personal and amazing thing.
Miura's students worked along side him through the years on Berserk with him, even drawing for him. His hand-built team. Duranki too. His editor also was a huge help to him. He wasn't a one man show. Berserk is unfinished, but based on what his students have said of him, he'd want the story finished. All it takes is a healthy education on philosophy and psychology to see the entire framework of Berserk. His students should know this better than anyone.
@@br9760 His students can succeed him but cant replace him. If they ever continue the story, it will not be the same. They could make something great, but will not be 'Miura's Berserk".
@@dmaxcustom if you are a nostalfag then of course It will not be the same, and also you are disrespecting miura’s legacy because the Japanese always thinks that the student surpasses the teacher, that’s why miura keep them by his side while he wrote the manga
All we can continue to say is, for anime and manga, there is literally a story for everyone. You just have to find them. “There’s an anime about that.”
That probably the biggest manga advantage over comics. Want an epic adventure with incredible fights: Black Clover, Bleach or One Piece had you covered. Horror and Gore: There you go Berserk and Monster. Just want an relaxing manga with charachters doing cute things: K-ON, Kobayashi Dragon Maid, Aria and infinity of Slice of Life series are there for you. Seriously, I cant for the life of myself believe that just "cute " mangas like K-ON could be made as a comic, the author would be laughed out of the editor room because his/her idea would be seen as ridiculous.
@@carloscampos5860 Gundam's Recommendations he casually gave us at the End aint bad, but i cant help but notice it's all fight-filled Battle-Shonen. I mean, if one limits himself to just that, one misses out hard. Theres amazing Manga 'just' about opening a Restaurant, playing a video-game or raising an unusual Pet. Manga aint just Battles, so i hopüe Gundam widens his Horizon.
There’s literally a western comic for everything if y’all go outside of marvel or dc you would see that. Like this whole convo should really have just been why eastern comics are killing marvel or dc not western comics cause there are literally hundreds of thousands of extremely skilled American and western comics that can easily compete with Japanese comics
@@geekyboy6875 graphic novels back when I was a kid were cool but hard to come by. W.I.T.C.H graphic novels were available at Walmart and the book fair at school had some things. These were outside of marvel and dc. We understand that other western materials exist outside Marvel and DC. They don’t get as much recognition in places so you don’t find out about it until much later. For me personally, I like trying to find different things rather they are western, eastern, etc.
@@geekyboy6875 French, German and Belgian comics ironically have better stories than Americans. Manga is really more accessible because of the translations and piracy.
I was in an advanced art class back in high school and our teacher got a professional comic/video game concept artist to come talk to us. I don't remember his name, but he worked on some Batman comics and Star Wars games. He went on this long ass rant before we even got to start asking questions about how anime and this "Japanese crap" has no future, never will and we should all just give up on that kind of art forever because it's a waste. I didn't draw for quite a while after that (beyond classwork), not until I gained a bit more maturity and realized he was just a frustrated old man, scared of being phased out of relevance and employment.
Apart from all the political issues, it's difficult to get into comics. When reading a manga, I know to start from volume 1. Comics have so many off shoot titles, and alternative timelines now, that for a new person, it's just incredibly difficult to know where to start from.
The real problem with that is that comics are afraid to stop milking well established characters. I wish we could have something like Shonen jump that constantly encourages new stories that end somewhere.
Youre generalizing Comics there Karan, theres a whooole world of comics outside of Marvel and DC. You wanna read The Walking Dead? Start with Volume 1…same with Invincible, Saga and thousands of others series.
@@NiRvAnA6890 The problem is that they have MULTIPLE volume 1s. And only some of the information in those comics is relevant in the current comic series, while the rest has been retconned or forgotten
In this current age of Internet... the most common act is piracy. Hilariously enough, the Comics industry has gotten so bad that nobody wants to even pirate the products. That's how bad the situation is. Meanwhile, manga is plagued by piracy yet still manages to outsell comics.
Literally if you go into a search bar and type read before the name of the manga and then free after it there’s like 90% chance the top link will be a website lmao
Ironically enough I’ll usually read a manga online for free or watch the anime and BECAUSE I pirated it I’ll go out and buy physical copies. I have almost all of Tsubasa, I have the entirety of Code Geass, I’m working my way through Attack on Titan. You start off wanting them for free because you don’t want to pay but end up spending as much as you can on them because the stories mean so much to you. That’s the power of the manga industry, that it even turns thieves into fans, because even stolen it has value.
@@itsClaptrap I do pirate comic books from time to time, but it's almost always either older titles, like NecroVision, really good stuff like Conan stories, or stuff from small publishers which is occasionally good, like Avatar Press, Vertigo Comics, Dynamite Entertainment, Image Comics, and older stuff from Marvel / DC. Almost everything Conan the Barbarian or Elseworlds is great. The new stuff is almost always not worth the paper it's printed on.
Manga piracy has been huge for a very long time. It's a big issue but hasn't broke the industry because because they still make money on figurines/toys, video games, anime shows and movies, subscription sites and physical copies that people need to use to pirate or translate the manga, and other novelties and fashion brand collaborations when it's done legit.
I think HeHeSilly said it best: "How's your comic coming along?" "Pretty cutting edge. All the characters are racial and sexual minorities." "What about their personalities?" "Their what?"
I don't know the sexual orientation of anyone I work with. Because people aren't their race and orientation, yet somehow all the "writers" think that is all someone is.
@@armouredjester1622 It is sad. I firmly believe all the genders and sexualities people are coming up with are a product of telling and teaching kids that everyone is equal but everyone is also special, and those things make you the most special. That and the fact that if you don't pick something else to "identify" as then you are defaulted to racist & sexist, especially if you're a white kid.
"If two female characters are friends, everyone wants them to be lesbians." This is so true and it hurts my soul. It would be nice to see two males or females just be close friends.
I mean that's the reason "sidekicks" were invented in comic books. It's not something sexual, they aren't F-ing lovers...And then you wonder why milenials and zoomers have zero friends only ex-s. You don't need to sleep with every friend of yours :)
Fangirls are the worst, man. And hypocritical too. There's this song with a story between two men, Person A helped Person B through his life problems and then one day Person A got abducted. It's a two-piece story, in the first song, EVERYONE especially girls shipped the two guys. Then the second version dropped and it's revealed that Person A is not a man but a girl in disguise and only THEN Person B looked like he liked the girl romantically, you know what the comment section say? "I just want them to be friend, y'know." Wtf is wrong with them, their hypocrisy made me react violently in disgust.
@@tavirosu25 my parents are definitely not millennials, they have a lot of x's I'd say that's pretty typical for young people starting from the 1960s onward. I would be quite surprised if your parents didn't have a bajillion stories of people they dated in high school, college and onward before they finally met your parent, and they might even be divorced at this point and beyond their fourth girlfriend Actually, millennials are the ones that were starting to actually think more down to earth in terms of the stuff, stop generalizing millennials for the only few that you've met that fit into the stereotype. Gen z on the other hand, I don't think I've met anyone who's gen z and doesn't act like the stereotypes, and I know a heck of a lot of gen z, they fill my apartment building
I happen to be writing a story where there are two female characters as the main characters. Although, they aren't really even close friends either, they're just business associates that are frequently annoyed with each other. No, it's not an office comedy, it's a cyberpunk series about a secret League of superhuman assassins, who eventually turned to realize something new
4:10 - I didn't know these two were so RaCiSt. How dare they deny the experiences of the minority races by saying, "They try to make it so any race can enjoy their stories!?" Unbelievable! Treating everyone equally and fairly is racist.
I grew up reading Japanese manga and Korean manwha in S Korea. When I came to the US, I’ve tried reading American comic books but I learned that there were so many different artists for a series. Japanese manga usually has just one main artist with assistants so the art is consistent and part of the joy is to see the art improvements over time. Having multiple artists makes sense as a business so you can continue the legacy for decades without overworking a single mangaka weekly. But it gets difficult to read when I get used to one art style then the next volume it completely changes as if I’m reading a different series.
SpiderMan is the primary example for this problem to me like this character has been around ages and they still write him as he was in highschool?? Because Marvel thinks being a dad sucks? yeah sure, i'd rather Watch midhero accademia at this point
You also forgot that Manga is actually willing to take risks and do new stuff. There are so many ideas that don't sound like they should be fun but with good story telling they somehow make things work.
I mean, just example are Drops Of God(about wine) and Silver Spoon (Agriculture). You never think these things will sell but it does in Japan. Even if you talk about Shounen like Bleach or Naruto, there is also a theme and continuity.
"I'm worried because stores are closing..." Stores close because they can't/don't sell products. Comic writers MAKE the product! If you're worried that stores are closing, make a better product. How do you make a better product? Start listening to your customers. It's not that complicated.
That would mean that they would have to admit that their fake moral grandstanding and ideals don't matter. I'm sure most would rather die than lose reddit and twitter clout.
In 2017, there were 50 comic store closures in the US. In 2018, this number doubled, to an additional 100 closures. In 2019, this number doubled *again,* to 200 additional closures- Nearly 400 closures, in three years. I do not know what the 2020 and 2021 numbers look like, but I suspect they aren't quite as dire... because there probably aren't 400 shops *left* to close. This is the future they chose.
Amen to your rant on Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy going from being great friends to gay. Same thing with Frodo and Sam. Our Western culture developed this stupid idea that the apex of friendship is romance. So when you see 2 guys or 2 girls who are huge friends, they must be gay, when in reality it's 2 completely different types of love. Because of course Sam loves Frodo. But let people love each other without making it sexual, you pervs.
They handled it pretty well in the recent Harley Quinn show. Don't try to tell people they are wrong, just make a compelling story and people will enjoy it. Don't try to reinvent or rewrite history by disregarding the source material. You can expand on the source material, just be respectful to the source material.
I hated how they can’t have platonic relationships anymore. It’s also detrimental to the character of Poison Ivy that was a Femme Fatal that used seduction as a deadly weapon. Not only is she on a relationship now, but is now gay, meaning stories like she getting by seducing powerful people like Dent or Bruce are out of the picture now.
@@NM-ev7pu funny how you say they handled it well while they’re actively disrespecting the characters by making the show. It’s like making Batman kill people.
I'm reminded of a show I watched like, in the early 2000's talking about Manga, not word for word but basically the gist is, "There are manga out there with something for everyone. There are stories about Office workers, old people falling in love, Superhero stories, dark fantasy, gay stories and even just for perverts." Basically no matter what topic you can think of, there's probably a manga that can scratch that itch and even if it doesn't, there's a good chance someone is writing that story right now. I'll be honest, I hate the modern idea of representation and everytime someone says it because it sounds like the most Marketing BS just dribbling out of their mouth. True representation lies in the pages of people not trying to tick a box. Hell one of the most diverse types of Games are Fighting games, not because "Muh representation" but because varied fighting styles and cultures naturally go together and are cool to watch. Like KOF, Tekken, Virtua Fighter, Street Fighter, etc all had a multinational cast with the sole goal of beating the piss out of each other and it was great.
that might have been jonathan ross' documentary on japan, he mentions the manga types you mentioned, including 'silver-lining' manga for the elderly who want romance reading
@@roifor7809 That'd make sense, I used to randomly watch things at night that caught my interest, so I probably only watched the manga part or it's the only part i remembered.
Kelly Sue: "If you don't like my politics, don't buy my book." Fans: "Ok!" *Years of failed comics later....* Kelly Sue: "This isn't how you play the game!" Fans: "Game over!"
There's literally manga about making manga. That's how personal these types of stories get. No shoving down a reader's throat woke bullshit, no minority pandering, none of that. Just simple, personal and compeling stories about characters we love and respect
There's a manga/anime about making bread... And there's a manwha about cleaning baths... Even a story about a daily task can be made interesting! That's creativity.
The political messages in recent comic books are not the issue; every meaningful story usually has a message it conveys, but beating the message over the reader's head IS the issue. What is the message of The Matrix? It's a trans allegory but the message is actually conveyed with nuance that allows for many ways of interpretation. You can't have a story about how killing people is a bad thing and then have characters only talk about that one thing in a hamfisted way because it would be terrible. Having a good message doesn't mean the story is good, and from what I know, the issues the comic book industry face are because the stories are generally kind of shit. Death Note's message is basically that, but it's a good story, and so is well liked.
@@Goosewitdajuice317 But I mean almost every story has a political message. @Chad Kakashi And the Matrix is definitely an allegory. It might not be a trans one (though the creators say it is so we could just take their word) but it is clearly trying to convey a deeper meaning about the way we think. It's just that it's meaning it subtle enough to make it enjoyable on a surface level experience. Attack on Titan is a story about people fighting titans, yet on a deeper level it's about the issues of hatred and racism. And you can argue that Attack on Titan is even an allegory for the tensions between China and Japan post-world war 2. This last interpretation (which has a lot of evidence) is something I do NOT agree with personally, as it implies that China is wrong for holding grudges despite Japan committing war crimes, and yet Attack on Titan is good enough to enjoy despite that. I love Attack on Titan but disagree with it's stance on things. A comic book pausing its story to have the characters mouth off how sexism is bad is just pure shit. Not because the message is pure shit, but because of how it is told. It's just shit, and arguable, even worse than that because of how a story like that treats its audience as dumb. (The issues with comics is also probably tied to how the writers are commonly hacks who got the job through nepotism...)
In the Jack Kirby interview segment, there's a book over his shoulder in the background called "The Art of Jack Kirby" published by Blue Rose Press. I worked on that book with a couple of other people. I drew the cover, aping Jack's style and Kevin Eastman (of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fame) inked and colored it. Eastman also financed the book. Because of the research on that book, I got to meet Jack at his house and look through his personal collection. In that room was a flat file cabinet as tall as I was that was packed with envelopes holding the original art from entire issues of the books he worked on. Roz, his wife, took some of the romance and war comics he'd done and had them bound into hardcovers. Now this generally devalues the comics in the binding, but in this case, each volume had inside the cover a plate that said "From the Library of:" and each was signed by Jack. As part of the project, I also got to scan and touch-up for publishing pages from his personal war notebooks where he drew things when he got bored sitting in a foxhole. These were done in a style you wouldn't recognize as the bombastic one he's known for. Good times.
I find it funny that Japanese manga can make loveable LGBTQ+ characters that no one complains about. This is clearly not about bigotry, but rather bad writing with an excuse of inclusivity.
Coz they didn't force establish character to be a gay, in gay manga the character gay coz they gay not coz some dumb sjw want diversity on comic n the author cut Corner by take Robin n turn him into gay
Manga is outselling comics not because comics are "woke", but because manga simply have way more innovation and creativity in their characters and stories. And manga is way better drawn, without a question. Superhero comics never, ever change. It's always been Spiderman, Batman, Superman, Justice League, Avengesr, etc, etc, for the past 40 years. How much creativity and innovation can you really inject into the same characters for 40 years?
I'm actually jealous of the light novel industry in Japan, a thing that doesn't even exist as a concept in the US. Over here, you have to invest a huge amount of energy in writing a full novel and then hope that one of a handful of publishing companies will deign to give it a chance as one of the few things they publish that year. Those companies predetermine what they think readers want that year and only publish novels that fit into that frame. It seems to me that Japan has a much better system with tons of LNs being put out there as well as manga. I mean, people even sell doujins--basically fanfiction. The creative market in Japan just seems far more open. Yeah, you hear about how hellish it can be to work in the manga or light novel industries in Japan, but people are actually doing it. How many people even get a foot in the door here in the US?
I don't know if it's still up but there's literally a website documenting the huge list of hate crime hoaxes. One of my favorites is the kkk hood on campus that turned out to be a microscope cover. And the dangerous pollen all over a politician's car from the biggest bigot of all: nature.
Time will tell. I've heard rumor that the outline for the remainder of the series was already written. Miura apparently had a habit of taking his time on the art, making sure it was perfect. If this is true, it's definitely possible that his students could finish his work.
@@countdracula9763 tbf,even if they actually continued,it wouldnt be miura's work,so it probably wont be accepted by the fanbase. Although if it ACTUALLY does,i will support them
@@samzonDx i think miura already told the ending to his collegues (?) so i'll be satisfied enough if the ending is gonna be the same as the original artist has intended haha
I feel like the main problem with the current day comic book industry was summed up quite well at the start of the video. They beat you over the head with their message instead of having it naturally unfold to you throughout the story. Instead of finding out the story's message alongside the characters in a moment of growth, they are screaming their message straight into your ears. Their mistake is that they think the message comes before the story, and that is wrong. In order to send your message in a way that will resonate with people, you need a good story to tell that message. Storytelling 101 is "Show, don't tell." So don't tell me what your message is and why it matters, SHOW me what it is and why it matters.
Exactly. The messages are good, and it's great to see more diversity in comic books, but it's the fact that they are just bad that is the issue. A good message doesn't mean a good story, and I feel like the people creating newer comic books just don't understand this. Like, Jojo's is fucking ridiculous and hardly has a message, but it's good and enjoyable and fun.
What i find most depressing about this is that comic book heroes are more mainstream than ever. Marvel and DC are everywhere, the movies make billions, people are always hungry for more, so comics should have been thriving. The failure of the comics industry is one of the biggest dropped balls in media I've ever seen. A Captain America or Superman comic getting outsold by random seasonal manga named "That Time I got Reincarnated as a Handicapped Shopkeeper" or something is just absurd to me.
That's the problem, comics are becoming too mainstream now.. it garnered attention from SJWs , and they are now occupying the industry trying to use comic to brainwas-imean "educate" people who reads it.
@@hteekay but how can something that is dying so hard waste time on offending its audience? I don't think the average MCU fan actually owns a single comicbook, nor does a lefty twitter user. At some point an industry and its sponsors should just pull the plug and go for profit like any proper business. What happened to the usual boring and safe motto that corporate loves to push?
@@luminous3558 The writers are all SJW, and Marvel just keeps them to maintain the IP rights. They really don't care. Hollywood is still 'white-washing' within concept but now they act like they don't by changing classical white characters into ethnic ones or changing their gender.
There's a comic book shop near my house where I go to play Yu-Gi-Oh on the weekends. A while ago, the owner came in and announced some big changes he was making in the store. And guess what the very first one was? "We're expanding our manga section." GEE, I WONDER WHY. BTW It'sAGundam, it's nice to see yet another supporter of The Critical Drinker.
Damn didn't expect to see another yugioh player here. From what I hear it's way more lucrative than selling comics anyways, so a lot of those stores do tcgs on the side at least.
That reminds me of the early 00's when teens went to play Pokemon, Digimon, and Yu Gi Oh card games in the local public library. Damn, and now i made myself feel old. haha.
DC and Marvel are confusing twitter engagement and online clicks with "interest" while on the otherside of the pond they judge it off of sales numbers and customer polls.
Honestly, I don't get it. It's nearly global. At first I thought "it makes sense. They just believe they are chasing the money. Right?" But these issues are widespread. Corporations, Hollywood, corporations that listen and echo what Twitter says, journalists, gaming and devs, just so many are saying the same thing in the same way with the same bs and it's just like .."why?" They are losing money and venture capital and floundering quickly. Why did this flip everything and staying that way? Is it just so the executives can leech more of the money and claim that all the other levels are failing so they pay them less while they get grossly overpaid while no one is watching since everyone is bickering about these kinds of topics?
Manga is outselling comics not because comics are "woke", but because manga simply have way more innovation and creativity in their characters and stories. And manga is way better drawn, without a question. Superhero comics never, ever change. It's always been Spiderman, Batman, Superman, Justice League, Avengesr, etc, etc, for the past 40 years. How much creativity and innovation can you really inject into the same characters for 40 years?
If you think woke politics are the downfall of US comics, you're a fool. DC and Marvel are just focusing on other mediums of storytelling more which bring in much more revenue.
It's not surprising that manga would beat comic sales because they have different varieties of genres but seeing manga beat comics in the superhero genre is a wakeup call
I tried getting into US comics in the early 2010s but that happened after years of reading manga. Big huge mistake, US comics at the time were terrible when compared against manga at any category. I gave it my best so I just bought the animated movies that adapted the best stories from the 80s comics and they were great but once you done with those animated movies, you are left out in the cold... the comics were nothing but political commentary with mediocre art. In manga/anime I can actually indulge in escapism with solid, innovative and non-preachy stories... the fact that the art is levels above current US comics industry is just the icing on that cake.
Love you Gundam, and I agree, the day Kentaro Miura died I felt it. Knowing the master piece Berserk is will never have a proper ending crafted by his own author hit me real hard after years of reading it and patiently waiting for new chapters was painful. Hopefully the assistants have enough drafted ideas from Kentaro to wrap it up with at least an OK ending.
Been a fan of anime for years and I was always given these looks like I was the weird one. But now netflix and other streaming services are making it more mainstream and the rise of popularity as well (and not to mention anime movies coming to the local cinemas more and more) I'm here laughing bc everyone is seeing how awesome anime and maga really is
@@kelliecanscan3364 I've always found it stupid to dismiss one kind of media. That's really what it is, an anime or manga is a form of media, similar to a book, painting or game. Why dismiss it? Yeah one can say "books are stupid", but that only makes you narrow minded. You can prefer books to television shows or vice versa, absolutely no problem.
People use to try and bully me for liking video games, comics, manga, anime, dnd, etc. all the nerd shit that’s now popular so honestly I’m pretty fucking pissed off about it when I put a little thought into it but that’s just how it goes.
Brooooooooooo people were asking me why am watching kids shows when I was watching dbz back in schools library. Crazy how time changes, glad I have seen it all. Been watching anime since 2004 when I was super young.
In the middle east Japan been promoting anime there since the 70s, so it was less weird watching anime in the early 2000, even dad and mom were watching anime when they were kids. But when I moved to a western country things were a bit different there.
In my 20's I pirated so much anime....now...I buy a metric shit ton of manga and light novel on a monthly basis. I'm paying Japan back for being the shield in the darkness I needed.
I’d buy more manga if I had the space in my room😭. I’d like to build up a collection for my daughter one day. Currently pregnant and hope she’ll be into these things also one day.
I still "pirate" or look at manga scans but buy the official translated releases later on even verrry expensive bluerays of anime. That being said I'm very pro piracy and support the artists when your able to
that's gonna be me lmao i started watching anime a few years ago and then started manga and i haven't looked back. man i was missing out on some good shit. THOSE stories and characters make me want to be a better person, not the leftist preaching
here is the thing pirating anime is good cause there are places where people cannot watch said series what is actually good and beneficial to the japanese is buying the merch and the source material which is what you are doing and it is a good thing
"I'm sorry to break this to you, but captain america is a sjw" No, Cap never was. Cap is a man who knew what needed to be done, and had the strength of body and heart to make the choices. Cap is a man who can meet muscle with eloquency in words meeting pen for sword. Cap is that original american dream that these days hangs so drearily away in the distance. Captain america is a fucking HERO. Not some kiss ass, corporate boot licking, slacktivist. Yes I am getting way more passionate and upset about this than I should but growing up with the works of Kirby, Lee, and others who have carved their fucking LEGACY into the industry. Watching that all burn is disheartening.
Captain America is the symbol of patriotism and patriotism is now only a right leaning idea and thus the entertainment industry which is left...have to alter his character. America used to be that all its citizens loved the country and the left and right just had different approaches to the same goal. Now however the left is wole and anti America and they own the artistic control of the characters in those comics. It's also why they went after Thor in the mcu. Thor is the embodiment of whiteness...the lefts ultimate enemy white straight male power. He is a Nordic God, he is invincible, he inherited his power via birth right as with his kingdom. He is everything the left hates despite him actually being based on a real Nordic mythical character...they will look to change him to suit their wokeness. In End Game, they used him as a punching bag before introducing the new age female characters. They made him a wimp, scared, fat, lost, vulnerable, a bad leader to make Valkyrie look stronger than him, to look down at him. The comic world is now entirely political man
Oh no, we all get where you're coming from. It feels like being an Avenger and watching everything you've fought for in the name of Peace, Love and Justice is all just falling to rubble inspite of your heroic effort. I totally understand that feeling.
I got turned on to Berserk by some friends and my shop owner. I used to spend $70+ a week down to $5-15 on comics. I read the first volume of Berserk and after that I bought 2-3 volumes a week. I’ve found other books to pick up as well. I walk right past the new comic books rack anymore. R. I.P. Kenturo Miura. The news of his passing was a gut punch.
Berserk is the first manga I've read and my god what a gruesome, yet beautiful masterpiece it is. No movie, series, game, or book comes close to it. RIP Kentaro Miura, it still feels unreal..
am getting the new deluxe editions of berserk as they come out....have old worn out paperbacks that i've read a hundred times...just finished volume 9 last night....berserk has been one of those things that shaped the way i looked at entertainment and turned me into a dark fantasy niche nerd....when i read the last volume of the deluxe edition i might get sick to my stomach :(
When I was a teenager there was a local comic book shop my friends and I would go to every Friday after school. I would save all the money I could during the week just to buy a few issues and we'd go to my friends house to read them together. We'd share issues so that we all didn't have to buy each one. It was an awesome feeling to be genuinely excited about what I read on the page and what was going to happen next. The store itself was amazing. Super clean and gave off that new comic book smell. There was hand drawn art on all the walls and a special room in the back with art books and a place for kids to draw together. The community and the employees were amazing! They were always eager to have a chat about anything comics. I loved that comic book shop. Recently I found myself thinking about that shop and my great memories with it. I haven't gone in years and I was afraid the pandemic may have killed it. I looked it up and sure enough it was still there so I instantly rushed over. But when I entered the doors of my of my old comic book shop my excitement turned to sadness. The store looked disorderly, filthy, and stale. The special backroom was now just filled with empty cardboard boxes and even the new comic book smell was gone. Still I went through the new arrival section to see if I'd pick anything up just for old time sake. But I couldn't find a single story that peaked my interest. I left slightly depressed and without making a single purchase. I know we like to clown on the modern day comic industry but it really hurts to see that those paying the price for the declining quality of comics are the local shops.
That’s because the shop you went to sounds like it didn’t have much, in NYC we’re home to the biggest comic book shop in the country two floors of comics and manga. There definitely is something for everyone in both eastern and western comics whether you choose to dedicate your self to finding what you like is up to you.
Maybe it's just me, but sometime when I read comics nowadays compared to manga they feel like... lecturing? I think? I don't know how to say it. For example, I've read a comic book and a manga once that tackles the same conflict about being in the LGBTQ+ community. Even though they are similar their ways of writing are quite different, and left different impressions on me. The comic left me feeling like I've been lectured and talked down by a stranger on a train I just met merely for existing. The manga however made me feel like I'm an intruder for reading them, like I'm reading a private personal diary, I can feel the characters pain and struggle and it felt kind of scary at times at how real they can be. So maybe that's the difference for me? But if comic books these days are gonna suck, I'll be fine with reading old Peanuts comic books.
@@alvaroespinosa4379 shit- i forgot the name, but there's this one about a gay boy who's yet to be out of the closet date a girl who likes to read bl, and his journey of finally accepting himself. It's very bittersweet to me, such a shame I forgot the name for it. But if you find it maybe you'll enjoy it
@@blank-3403 it is, but it's less of a love story and more of a 'strunggling to overcome your sexuality' story since it's more about a teenage boy pretending to be straight and 'normal' dating a straight girl who likes bl, which is the closest he could get to somebody accepting his hidden sexuality. I heard there's a live action adaptation of it.
The Japanese understand the concept of escapism more then any nation. When you get 1 day off a week and work 12 hour days minimum, you gotta know how to cut loose.
That's why Neon Genesis Evangelion was made. To show how strong their urge for escapism is, why it's a dangerous trend, and why you have to change the system to help alleviate this problem.
yup, with the ones i’ve read/watched, the characters are always so well written with complex personalities/traits and relatability. western comics make them more like caricatures rather than characters
Can we talk about how mangakas today literally had the most time consuming job that for some people it isn't worth it... But they somehow pull it up because it's not just a hobby or a job, it's a dream to be serialized.
@@ribertfranhanreagen9821 yeah. I think the whole "manga magazine" system is old and counterproductive. A lot of series have been ruined or never got to see the light because of it. Not to mention the copy/paste stories people make in order to be serialized. It makes harder for new, revolutionary or risky ideas to be took in consideration. Like, "if something works why change it"?
@@ribertfranhanreagen9821 a patron? Im sorry but sorry but mangaka are rich af they just need the companies managing them to give them more leniency with there work schedule. The only shonen manga i see take consistent breaks is the author of one piece and the only reason they let him do that is because one piece is there #1 manga. Its really sad to see how authors get treated just look at what the author of bleach had to say about his experience
Speaking from experience, people who don't read comic books think that every story is about superheroes. They think that there is only Marvel and DC. To get comics back up to their former glory, it's gonna take more than just the existence of Image Comics. Something has got to come along and make people realize that there are worthwhile stories to be told within comics. It has to be fashionable again. Once the hook is set, then the money will be there for more ambitious projects and the industry will boom.
Yes, the main issue with comics in the west is distribution and marketing of other genres. The rest will flow smoother through recomendations, like how eastern comics are doing.
I think the whole “go woke, get broke” part of this is only second to the fact that nothing new is getting produced. If you look at manga and anime, every season there is something new coming out. Marvel and DC are relying on characters that are decades old to keep them afloat.
Exactly, majority of the people in my country who love comics are into manga and anime more because they find them better, and this became so even before the woke, sjw bullshit began.
I have to say, when they say 'but comics have ALWAYS been woke' it's true. But the woke aspect - the representation - was written well and NOT obsessive. I'll explain. When a comic "Goes woke" and obsesses over representation, the result is bad, right? Cause the writer's obsession made him neglect writing. He's bad at writing characters, including their diversity aspect. Really, these 'woke' writers often use old stereotypes and they are less 'Going woke' really means 'try hard'. Shit writing is the problem. Y/N? You can't use a character for representation if you obsess so much you forget to flesh them out. They'll only represent CARDBOARD.
@@lynoluoch1891 Plus, anime and manga will pretty much do anything. There is pretty much nothing that is too taboo to do. There is something for everyone. How much story arc can you possible still do with Superman or Batman? Sure, One Piece is still going strong, but its heading somewhere and will end.
I have been saying this for years! This is has been a bigger nail in western comics than even the SJW rhetoric. You have all these talented artists each generation, and instead of letting them go wild with their own idea, you put them in a box of someone else’s character their whole career.. western comics have always been about money in that sense never about the reader. I was lucky enough to grow up reading only manga so even the best of western comics history just feel boring and lack luster to me.
I just want a story with moral dilemmas and a bad guy that is a little justified in his actions like magneto. Instead I get political activism. Manga tells you stories that hits you right in the feels.
The major problem with American comics is that nothing ever changes. No major character truly ever dies in comics, they are always brought back to life and everything returns to status quo, because DC and MARVEL at the end are just way too scared to invent new characters. How many times are we gonna get the same old Batman vs. Joker stories? The same Superman vs. Doomsday stories? It doesn't matter how much you change them, they are still the SAME CHARACTERS!!! Manga isn't afraid to end a good run. Every major manga has a clear beginning and an end. Sure Naruto and Bleach may overstay their welcome with dozens of filler arcs, but they still tell a complete story from beginning to end. Manga creators aren't afraid to end their popular series and start a new one. JoJo's Bizarre Adventure is a great example of a story that's still ongoing for decades, but each arc with completely brand new protagonists, villains and setting. If JoJo was created as an American comics, we'd still be having the exact same stories of Jonathan Joestar fighting Dio today after 30 years. If I want to know the ins and outs of what happened to Spiderman, I have to read 40 years of comics as well as deciding which version of Spiderman I want to read. It's just confusing. If I want to read about Son Goku, there's one clear arc from Dragon Ball to DBS. If I want to read about Izuki Midoriya, I just start from chapter 1 of My Hero Academia. There isn't an Ultimate, Spectacular, Amazing or vintage version of Midoriya each with its own stories and variations. Oh and the art too. American comics have inferior art when it comes to depicting the flow and dynamics of action sequences. That's just the truth. There are so many DC and MARVEL comics that are obviously given to junior artists with very little experience, and it shows.
Magneto is the worst example you could throw out there. Dude is a revolutionary who wants an ethnostate for an oppressed people. They only got away with it back then; today he would be called a genocidal social justice warrior and he would be right
@@devilhunterred Even with Naruto/Bleach/One Piece there's a beginning and end to every arc/substory. There's also continuity (unless you're looking at anime with filler arcs). If Naurto learns the Rasengan in arc A, then you can expect that he will also know of it in arc B. The characters are always developing.
Another problem with most western comics is that they will always reset their events and bring things back to a status quo so they can milk a series ad infinitum, whereas a manga or an anime will have a clear beginning, middle, and end. This cheapens the events that happen in comics, as they can and will be overridden by some cosmic reset, which removes any dramatic impact from that story. For example, why should I care if Superman is killed-off, when we know that it's only a matter of time until they find someway to bring him back to life. Conversely, major events in manga/anime like Griffith sacrificing the Band of the Hawk, or Eren activating the Rumbling are permanent, and the effects they had on the characters and the world can still be felt until the end, and their dramatic impact stays with the viewer. This is because we know that there's nothing to reset these events, so they aren't rendered pointless. Not only that, but clear, concise story-telling like this gives the reader a reason to move on to something else. To not just get stuck watching the same story and to enjoy other stuff.
To an extent its because the big names in the manga industry haven't been around for that long. You see similar bloat in DragonBall and Naruto, now boruto I guess. I wonder if we will see the same problems long term with manga as we see in comic books.
I'm afraid that's just false. Can I bring Detective Conan to your attention? The story is barely developed after ALL this time, I can point you to many web/light novels that have no right to still be ongoing and yet they go on because someone will consume them. The fundamental difference is that comics will also bring a story to a conclusion, but not a definitive one, never. You'll keep seeing superman until the human race goes extinct. Comics have changed over time, I had issues reading pre 90s stories, they were nonsensical at times, or I had difficulties taking some things seriously. But they were the product of writers who wanted to express something through the characters, and those were things not many people find contentious. Doubts over power and the independence of the human race with God like protectors taking care of things for them. Nice. "Why I think trans women are equal to natural women" is a bit different. Anime and manga are mostly products you consume. So many let you self insert and indulge in your fantasies, it's kind of amazing how varied they are. But they are still Otaku bait. 99% of them exploit and enable the self destructive lives of people who want nothing to do with the world who look for what they want from it in fictional stories. Unless anime or manga specifically want to preach to you about something, they won't, or you won't notice. I mean, Fate/Stay Night is such a powerful critique of heroism and idealism, while indirectly touching on the negatives of altruism, but you won't be bothered by it unless you're like Shirou. Instead, modern bad comics are relevant to current events, wishes of people, and so it's no surprise if people don't want to hear it. You can't escape the messages and that's annoying.
@@BygoneT I'm going to argue that Detective Conan is meant to be an episodic series with no overarching plot. Aoyama just needed a flimsy setup for having a super smart kid detective and has been trying to let the Black Organization plot die quietly in the background for over a decade. Or maybe it was shoved into the background once the series' longevity was guaranteed and there was no longer a need for an emergency "End of Story" button. It's an excuse to delve into murder-mystery-of-the-week. Not everyone is going to like that, especially manga readers more used to serials than episodic series, but it works well for what it tries to be. And like you said, as long as people like me are willing to buy it there's no real incentive to change the formula and wrap up the plot.
@@shawnjavery I doubt it. A lot of stories have do the "a later generation inherits the OG generation" plot (jojo, boruto, M.A.R., prince of tennis, negima, technically yashahime, ect) and while it does gain traction every now and again, the fact that there are so many stories and so many genres overall, there is minimal risk of the same problem of stale recycling that marvel and dc are suffering from right now. It could happen, but considering how manga operates, it's very unlikely.
@@vla1ne I think it's important to note the difference between the manga industry and the anime industry. Anime is more main stream, but it also determines the type of people who join the manga industry, which affects future manga artists. It's on the anime side that I worry things are going that way, since it seems like there are a lot of brands that have been solidified into being too big to fail in a way. A lot of the brands people recognize from anime is on the older side, there are big hits now and then, demon slayer certainly comes to mind, but a lot of the series people recognize are not new things.
Forgot to mention a huge problem that is killing the reader base of comics is that it’s not very friendly for old fans and young potential fans to keep reading or join in. Old fans get tired of the same stories and the same fake outs and reboots. Stories go nowhere in the big scheme of things. As for young potential fans it’s extremely unfriendly to get into something that requires years of research in order to get up to date in the current stories of both a single franchise and the multiverse it shares. All for mere details that may or may not be retconned anyway, since in comics if the big changes and development didn’t happened during your origin story chances are they won’t stick anyway.
That's a reason I preferred manga even before woke comics took over. Because I didn't have to go through a a thousand guides just to know what to read next
@@Snakedude4life dude they've had those comics way before any of this exploded and you're right even the creator of JoJo is gay and people tend to forget this.
The reason ? Generally we have a story about a world, characters and their struggling to achieve their goals. On the other side, tons of characters some are iconic, but they're re-written for political purposes or fear to try anything new. It's all about the same stories. We don't have a hero with HIS particular story.
Drawing from this point, American comics characters have been rewritten to be subservient to the characters in superhero movies. So much so that if a capesh!t movie fails, it has the potential to kill the comic book series. Manga characters coexist with their anime adaptations in a healthy way which sustains the continued life of both mediums. The vision of the mangaka remains distinct enough from the anime to keep their material engaging, while also giving the anime enough structure to start off fully developed and realized.
Now that I think of it you are right, in Manga usually everything from the characters, the world, the powers. All is tailored to the story. Comics are trying to change their world and characters to fit certain message. But it doesn't work as most modern real life problems they try to fit into the comic world are easily fixed. How a X-MEN or superman comic is going to fit a climate change narrative when their respective world's are filled with reality benders, fusion Reactors, alien technology, etc. Climate change would be solved like in 5 seconds.
@@j.d.1709 ''Manga characters coexist with their anime adaptations in a healthy way which sustains the continued life of both mediums. The vision of the mangaka remains distinct enough from the anime'' anime typically just follows the events of the manga but with additions to it. Dont really see how it's distinct like say the mcu versus the comics. Mcu does whatever unrelated to the comics like hela in the comics was not odin's child but rather loki's. anime keeps character relations mostly consistent from it's source material
@@bob74h67 You make a good point. As far as character correspondence goes, little changes between manga and anime. I am also thinking about blocking, pacing, dialogue, etc. Record of Ragnarok comes to mind as an anime that butchers all the positives of the manga in these aspects, if you want to look at a bad anime-manga correspondence.
American Comics: Forgets to tell great stories, and preaches on how I'm evil because I just happened to be born male, focuses on "diversity" which is half baked and serves to get virtue points etc. Manga: Tells amazing stories with different genres, focuses on story first(for the most part), whatever politics there is in the story is told with subtlety and maturity and not bashing me over the head. Diverse characters are actually memorable/used well and their personality is more than just " *I'm insert sexuality/minority group here* "
It's disappointing, and that's a massive understatement. I collected comics for almost 2 decades and it's gotten to the point that I only read Manga now. I didn't start reading comics to be preached at or called names, it was an escape from the stress of real life. Now comics want to guilt you and rub your face in all that stressful shit that we were trying to get a break from. It's no longer enjoyable. At all.
Its just that Japanese creators know that its an honor for them to be able to tell their story and they know that their fanbase is the reason why they were even allowed to get that far. They have a story to tell and appreciate those who want to listen to it unlike western comic authors who instead attempt to push agendas without much disguise and despise anyone who dare to actually read their work. While Japan is a country that is stuck in the past on many issues its also one that didn't forget the important things.
Thing is you got political mangas and some are more in your face than others. But the market isn't saturated with the exact same message over and over. The comic industry is dead set on "politically correct superheroes with flowchart agendas". So much that they are singlehandedly destroying the entire market and opportunities for artists that have something cool and unique to show. Mainstream comics need to die and Indie authors need to rise. Otherwise the entire industry is going to do worse than a crash.
@@yusukeelric Yeah but Japan has a whole different set of political/social issues than the west. Its a lot more respectable from an outside view than hamfisted "racism bad" because americans literally have nothing worse to worry about than twitter hate. When I think social commentary in manga my mind goes to either bullying in school, overworked salarymen and other things that stem from Japans idolization of normality and their rejection of those who are in anyway different. You have a good point though that when people think comics they just think hero stuff with the same 2 franchises in various iterations. If comics were as varied as manga with just a different more western artstyle then they would likely be more appealing.
@@luminous3558 Comics are really varied when you really get in to it. If you get out of the Marvel and DC pipeline and go to something like Vertigo or Dark Horse (just as an example) you can find all sorts different comics that tackles a lot of different issues. Not to speak of the indie scene that has literally blown up in the past years due to Marvel and DC's shenanigans.
@@llewliet4021 No, they just aped what France and Belgium did in the 1920's. Without those two countries, the comics industry would have flatlined long ago.
Sorry but comics are still selling..these videos are nothing more than copium for the fact that super heroes in other medium are initiating sales for comic, another thing is there are other methods of buying comic other than comic stores..like buying online and reading online via paid subscription. Everyone here is just salty over the "politics" when it isn't the politics but the kind of politics a particular demograph want..comics has always been political depending on the climate so crying over it now is silly and shallow.
Berserk fans. You have my condolences. I never got to read the manga because I'm lazy. I'm sorry for your loss and my prayers go out to the mangaka's family
Very basically, straightly & narrowly explained: Manga thrives because it’s a consistent, concise story, every time. It follows a very specific vision, with the authors actively interacting with their masses. Comics? Comics are corporate now. They have shareholders making judgements on their IP. They’re being monetized in such a way that is disrespectful to the medium it’s part of. They have authors switched who, depending on their views of the comic, may absolutely ruin people’s investments. There’s no point in wasting your time and money on something that won’t matter in a year or two.
There are also genuine stakes in manga for the most part. Characters can die and stay dead, there can be permanent consequences to the world or universe - because it is all not going to be reset back to zero in six months when the new artist and writer comes on board.
To be fair manga and anime is also pretty corporate, and that corporate aspect has ruined some IPs in the past (looking at Bleach). But at least the japanese have some unwritten rules about respecting their customers above all else and not using another person's creation to push some agenda.
@@inendlesspain4724 That unwritten rule is called greed. Which apparently turns out to be a lot better than the crazy shit the west has been getting up to lately.
@@inendlesspain4724 The big difference is likely that the corporate aspect of the manga industry built itself around having a variety of IPs associated with the magazines, whereas the american market is primarily focused around the two big publishers with massive singular IPs (Marvel and DC).
It's a simple answer Manga authors know who their audience is and they pander to it, they give you interesting stories with hot girls and risky themes, and they don't shame their audience for liking what they like, manga and anime for life!
Hot girls and hot guys :D Manga/anime has both and one of my fav characters in action mangas is PuriPuri Prisoner from OP :D It is a so cool and well developed character :D Even his relationship wwith the other prisoners are so good and funny but not cringe funny but likeable funny :)
@@Rahnonymous there's also the one where he's reincarnated into a vending machine and I'm sure that one has also sold more books than any of these losers
I think it's because American comics are lessening in quality while manga explore a wider range of stories and characters. Nobody wants to read the same story over and over with different names of character but surprisingly, people will watch movies that just recycle the same characters.
Lol. This makes me think of that scene in Futurama. Don't you see? People don't want anything original. They want to see the same thing over and over again. Whach you talkin bout Fry?
"There is no planet B" Literally in a comic book about the guy that was sent from outer space planet A to a solar system's planet B. Should've called it "planet C". Or "planet D" considering Martian Manhunter.
What pisses me off as well is that the Justice League literally has machines that can produce infinite energy. Energy issues and pollution should not exist in that universe
In DC an alien like, Superman or Martian Manhunter, comes to Earth he gains superpowers. In Marvel when Earthbased characters are able to go into space and still beat up everyone.
@@docsavage8640 no? Because it’s not written in the comic that’s an alternate cover that’s collectable it’s not something cannon in the story? Because they all know there is a planet b in the dc universe
@@rooracleaf561 Someone else made superman, but anyone who writes for DC can write a superman story of their own, and do whatever they want even if it sucks ass, while a manga creator is the ONLY person that writes their own story, others can write spin offs or whatever, but the original is only written by the creator of the characters and the world
@@FBBReppCloud But there are writers that love the heroes they write. Having respect for the character and continuing the story of the previous writer shows more love for a character than having one sole writer with one vision of the character. If no one ever wrote Spiderman after Ditko we'd still have that weird self insert depressing character instead of the character we have today.
@@rooracleaf561 That's not what he said, he said manga writers built their concept and crafted their universe from absolutly nothing, the whole thing is 100% them, it seems more authentic. And the fact that in mangas there is actually only one story, one beginning and one end like in real life make it harder for them to neglect the elements they include. Superman can be wrote by anyone, so the lack of fidelity with the character is higher, which make it harder to connect. Comics are basically of "what if [include random heroes] was etc... in an alternate universe". You don't have an actual writer who has authority about every events.
@@rooracleaf561 SO the new versions of the Justice League or any remake of classic superheroes aren't self inserts? The new superman got made Bi just so he could date a self insert of the writer/artist (whichever one has the pink hair lol idk), the little fat girl from I am Not Starfire? another self insert, all the new comic book writers are self inserting into every story they possibly can, alot of them are also LGBTQ or SJW's or whatever so of course they gotta push the agenda on people who dont and will never care
Thing i want to say about comics is that comics by and large do seem to have a beginning, no clear ending and a lot of stories or factoids of a character are retconed or completely ignored. Also, for me at least it’s difficult to keep up with comics unless it’s in volumes/comic novels form rather than individual issues
I learned several things during the manga Bakuman (a manga about how manga is made by the creator of death note) But some these lessons were from other manga the characters read themselves in Baku man 1: if your gonna fail, fail falling forwards that way you never stop fighting even if you die, burn yourself into ash! (Slam dunk) 2: always treat others in your profession as your superiors even if their younger and more talented cause there is something you can always learn from them. no matter their age or level of experience. 3: some Manga only sees the light of the west if it successfully survives the Japanese polls that are released weekly. (If you ever read shouen jump monthly releases you’lll know what I’m talking about.)
It also helps that manga was already targeted towards a much wider audience Gundam says old school comics does diversity well but even back then manga beats it you have manga targeted from middle aged woman too children Japan doesn't really learn from there mistakes its more off a case of manga from the very beginning was a creative outlet that wants to tell interesting stories that's it
@@mikecampos1193 I don't think they're laughing so much as scratching their heads in disbelief. They've been major consumers of Western media and culture since the end of the war and now they're looking at it in bewilderment. The strangest thing about it is that in many ways they've become the last remnant of what our entertainment culture USED to be. Ironic.
@@mikecampos1193 the whole East tbh. My country and other countries blocked a marvel movie because we don’t support the propaganda of 🌈 which triggered the actress Angelina Jolie. The west has been so political it’s actually insane to us. They repeat old movies/shows/comics and add an alphabetics person to support their agendas.
"Words aren't violence. Violence is violence." As hurtful as it may sound, most of those people have never been punched in the face, it shows, and they need to be punched in the face. Not beaten badly, just one or two good punches to the face. Would definitely help them understand what they're saying.
I agree and disagree simultaneously. They need to be beaten badly. Then and only then will they understand reality when their fantasy world comes violently crashing down around them. At any rate you still make an excellent point.
You have to live in a pretty easy life style, in a safe enough country, without fear of not being able to feed yourself or having some bombs dropped on your head or getting shanked over your shoes to say something as stupid as words can be violent. Some people in some other parts of the world knows actual real violence on the daily that us westerners cannot even start to imagine. It's a total lack of respect and hindsight to the realities of the world to say something like this. They don't need to be punched in the face or something, they need to be dropped in some 3rd world countries somewhere. They would learn the real definition of violence then.
Starting with the fact that in manga there are well-defined genres for the different types of themes / stories / characters, one can see that the Japanese have a clear idea of how to address/target different audiences without boxing them into any one group. Kodomo Manga: Comics for little kids Shōnen Manga: Comics for young teenage boys Shōjo Manga: Comics for young teenage girls Seinen Manga: Comics for young adult males Seijin Manga: Adult comics for males Redisu (Lady’s) Manga: Comics for young adult females Dōjinshi Manga: Comic publication that’s written by and for amateurs. Often created for self-promotion Yonkoma Manga: Four-panel comics (usually published in newspapers) Gekiga Manga: Comics focusing on serious topics geared toward mature audiences Yaoi Manga: Or "Boys-love" focusing on male characters involved in a romantic relationship.
I think part of the reason why comic book industry is falling apart is the story. its getting complicated over time. Comic books story oftenly is just a constan state of to be continues, manga in other hand has genuine goal and ending. Manga also has alot of moment that make you feel uplifted, make you laugh, and give the reader a positive vibes. Moments like that is few in between in comics.
Manga: Exists to tell a well crafted story with relatable characters. (Most of the time) Western Comics: Exists to pander a left leaning political message and/or virtue signal to the audience at the expense of the story. (Which often isn’t very good to begin with)
American, non Western. There are some other Western countries that are still producing (some) nice comics (Italy and France, for the little I know). Even very political ones try not to be so much forced.
Gundam's Recommendations he casually gave us at the End aint bad, but i cant help but notice it's all fight-filled Battle-Shonen. I mean, if one limits himself to just that, one misses out hard. Theres amazing Manga 'just' about opening a Restaurant, playing a video-game or raising an unusual Pet. Manga aint just Battles, so i hopüe Gundam widens his Horizon.
I don’t know about you, but I have the slight suspicion that outright insulting potential customers when you are far from the only player in the market and your products are subpar isn’t exactly a good business tactic.
@@no_4259 probably thought that her wokites would gladly pick up the slack in the sales dept, but i wonders if they can read and not just "ooohh the pretty colours"!
Virgin Kelly Sue: -Bitch and moans -Her stories absolutely suck -Has weird hair -Thats it CHAD KENTARO MIURA: -Filthy Frank's older cousin, i guess. -Best writer of all time -Manga version of Nietsche -Theres more.
The things is, there are a lot of good comic books, but notice how almost none of them are from the past 5 years. It’s sad to see that an industry that once was so good and was the ultimate joy for a lot of kids is slowly going to shit.
When Miura passed I was holding back tears. Then my wife saw my face and by her asking what's wrong, caused the dam to burst. Can't say I will shed one tear if Marvel and DC collapse. They hired activists that became gatekeepers, and now we can't have nice things.
Literally exactly how it happened to me as well man, wife was pretty upset as well but held it together for me. We have matching brand tats so she completely understood.
Yeah not getting Miura's Berserk ending is heart breaking...I fear that Togashi will suffer a similar fate and Hunter x Hunter may never get finished by him....
I shed a tear when Stan Lee died. Maybe I'd be sad if Frank Miller or Rob Liefeld pass away. But if anyone left of Alan Moore dies, I will simply laugh.
Guts from berserk has teached me to never give up, even if you've been reduced to less than a maggot, continue struggling, even if you die, die struggling, struggle against destiny, and as Erwin from Attack on Titan has teached me, FIGHT, AS A REBELLION AGAINST THIS CRUEL AND UNCARING WORLD, FIGHT
What I dislike about comics are the fact that they keep rebooting original creations to the point that you have no clue as to what the main storyline is anymore since its almost like every creator just makes an "alternate dimension version" of a character. Whereas in mangas they usually stick to just one storyline that anyone can follow and appreciate and they actually have an ending to their story.
Wasn’t there like 20 separate batman series last year ? That’s the issue really, it’s much less clear on where to start with a popular character in comparison to the most popular manga characters where 9/10 times it’ll simply be “volume 1” not “volume 1 but not the 20 other volume 1s of the last 2 years...”
there was one time I said something about batman because I saw a random screenshot from the comic, I got at least 10 people replying about timeline stuff and one if then made an entire thesis
i love when a managaka ends one series and starts another and makes cameos to the last series they made like small winks, i dislike how its done with Naruto/Buroto though, but how Suzuka/Kimi no Iru machi got tied together where very pleasant. I have not decided regarding the new series from Kubo Tite yet though.
I find it so hilarious how Sailor Moon, a manga that's over TWENTY years old, has better representation than what the modern industry is able to put out. And u know why? It's cuz the author didn't focus on making their gender and sexuality their only personality trait. All that stuff about characters being lesbian and trans is all a second hand fact. In short, the author followed in the footsteps of Stan Lee
@@pauloazuela8488 no im referring to some good dc comics like all star superman and kingdom come, the problem is that sometimes terrible write make a terrible comic and the entire character gets hated for it, superman for instance
Comics, manga or similar entertainments are all a way of escaping from the reality for an amount of time and relax and have fun. With the comics focusing on the matters of the real world it doesn't feel like an escape anymore. It feels like you're reading some tweet or some article. On the other hand manga is always improving and they have unique plots that let you really enjoy it.
I think it’s more because of syndication. Manga have have a clear starting and ending point because the stories are usually made with an ending in mind which makes the easier to get into. Comic books however usually have lots of complicated lore made more complicated by reboots, revivals, and different writer’s making it unappealing for potential knew fans who don’t know where to begin. When someone decides to go read one piece they just go pick up the first value without much thought but if you want to start reading Batman comics you have to do research to find out where to start.
Thats because characters like batman or superman are not creator owned so every once in a while some terrible writer in dc manages to get their hands on them and make a terrible story and then the characters as a whole get hated for it
Yup. I think it’s the syndication and the diversity in story telling Super hero’s are a niche genre in the grand scheme of everything you regularly see in the East
"Manga have have a clear starting and ending point because the stories are usually made with an ending in mind" - this is such a hilarious take, that nobody who actually reads manga would ever say. It's the opposite - if you want conclusion, read comics, if you are there just for the ride, read manga.
Manga is creative and fun. It often tells over the top stories without worrying about offending anyone and is just a great way to escape everyday life. Comics are being increasingly used to put out a narrative that overtakes the fun and becomes the central plot. The world is already bad enough without people bringing their problems into other peoples means of escaping reality for a while. The whole point of reading a comic or manga is just to relax and inject a little happiness into life, not wave the doom and gloom in our faces. Comic writers have forgotten that, and so comics aren’t doing so well.
@@bm3350 yeah, like most of us manga readers are racist and sexist, we are not if anything the people saying the shit online are discriminating against us, the majority this is against democratic majoritarian principles, and we are clearly not racist, most people arent hearing weebs complain that the cool black man who acts as a mentor in i forgot the show about shounen music fighting shit(someone tell him the title) is black, we just chill friking around
That "bi now, gay later" clip cracked me up. In 10th grade, a childhood friend came out to me as bi. He dated both in highschool. In an interview with Billboard Magazine, he said he came out as either gay or queer at that time (can't remember which).
@@johnpatron8436 As a Bi person, i find that statement to be rather.. offensive. "Bi now gay later." Like no, i am Bi. I am not Gay. My sexual nature is not worth Less, nor should it be viewd as me not understanding myself.
Honestly, I’ve seen this argument that comics are losing to manga because “oh the wokeness” so many times and I think it’s a shallow, reactionary take. In reality, manga was always destined to outperform comics as it became more accessible. In America, there are two major comic companies: Marvel and DC. Both of these companies primarily produce superhero comics with long, interconnected continuities. While this makes for some fun stories, it appeals to a limited audience and it’s difficult to adopt later even within that limited audience. Manga, on the other hand, has much more variety to choose from. Different manga continuities typically don’t connect, making all of these stories isolated and easy to get invested in. Additionally, manga comes in any genre you can think of and appeals to a lot of different audiences. This is why manga is currently growing in popularity while comics are stagnating.
Agreed. The sole focus on the wokeness and the bullet point mockery of SJW movements was a huge turnoff for me. It was kind of obvious that the dude wasn't going to provide a fair, grounded take. I don't like wokeness being shoved down my throat either but I don't want to fall to their level and pin it all on a binary strawman we can blame.
Big reason why I abandoned comics is that I just couldn’t stand the same old characters going through the motions year after year. Mainstream comics lack a sense of finality because they just keen going on and on. While I’m not a huge manga guy, at least there are many manga that know when to end. You get to enjoy a story with a conclusion, unlike mainstream Western comics.
thing is: most people don't want their favorite heroes to end. Theres a reason why Spider-Man, Batman, Superman and the others have stayed relevant for over 50 years and are loved by 3 generations. And if you read the comics of the main heroes, they are pretty much the only characters keeping the comics of their company alive.
If you’re looking for a comic with an actual ending I would recommend the invincible comics. I think I ended up reading all of it in like 3 days and there’s the show on Amazon as well. I will say the drawing is a bit rough at the start but gets so much better as it goes on.
@@MyLife-og2kr new characters don't sell as much. to this day, the characters from the 60s dominate comicbook sales. People dont give a crap about the new characters. The ONLY next gen character that took off was Miles Morales, everything else went to shit and people returned to the OG heroes
When talking about this I think it‘s important to keep in mind that an overwhelming part of people who identifiy as LGBT didn‘t ask or don’t care for the clumsily handed inclusion. Also, there are still great comics not published by DC or Marvel and boy, there sure is a whole bunch of horrible Manga out there.
Manga market is by far...brutal than comic. Many Mangas we see today is the one who fought against other mangas and emerge victory. Unlike Comic who use series name for staring selling. Manga is nobody from Zero.
@@muslimmetalman Manga shows LGBT as the part of character and story. but comic just horribly shows how righteous the LGBT is and condemned other who does not side with them.
Everything must be a mechanism for the message and there can be no escape from the message. Critical Drinker nails that point about modern leftoid tactics. So as Razorfist says about fans needing to gatekeep using Warhammer and 40k as an example I think it's fair to say the same thing happened but much earlier with American comics. So much like 40k fans are fucking off to Battletech so American comic books fans are seeking greener pastures in the land of exaggerated human eyes. Only comic book I ever bought was a couple of Spawn comics so I don't have no skin in this game but it always pisses me off when a loyal fan base gets shat on by corporate interests. Gatekeep the lore, gatekeep newbies, gatekeep the BOD.
Please don't call them left... Left politics are about improving the life of lower class citizens. Woke is a cultural phenomenon about inclusion and people with a victim complex connecting. It has nothing to do with politics, its a trend like goth or emo. People with hurt feelings indulge in self-pity trying to find like minded people. Its a shame they are calling themselves political. And we shouldnt do them the favor and grant them that ground either. Annoying AF, if you ask me.
@@McSozialphobie I differentiated by saying leftoid, like Styx does. And while I agree with the sentiment it's a bit of false dichotmny to say left politics are about improving the lot of the lower classes as it paints right V left in a false light. I'm all about minimising the state so that meritocracy can let anyone with skill rise regardless of their station/creed/race/ethos etc; in life. And I'm pretty far removed from the kind of Kensonian economics that even classical liberals espouse so again. Agree with the sentiment but I give a shit about lower class citizens and I associate more as a right winger than I do a left winger.
I never read manga until last year, when I saw some panels from Uzumaki online. It looked so bizarre, I just had to buy the hardcover edition. Now Junji Ito is one of my favorite authors and I'm discovering more stories like Goodnight PunPun from Inio Asano. The amount of themes and genres you can find in manga is so insane, I completely understand manga selling really big if you have something for everyone.
I was really into comics, especially the Uncanny X-Men, in the early and mid-90's as a kid. I bought both of the Marvel Swimsuit issues, which I still have. I remember seeing the picture of Psylocke leaning over when I was young and going, "yup, she's hot. I want to grow up to look like her". I want my comic book characters, male and female, to be hot. If I want to see "normal" I'll just leave the house.
early to mid 90s was the pinnacle of the comic industry...there were a few other decent eras...but nothing matched those...early 2000s was to bad as well...
@@johnpatron8436 I think everyone does, and we used to get great stories with sexy characters all the time, in both comics and video games-that was the norm, quite frankly. But, let’s be honest, here. Both industries used to know who their primary demographic was: men. It was only once the feminists and other activists wormed their way in, that we decided that beautiful women and strong men were “problematic.”
My sister a huge fan of DC comics and could name every character, memorize all their stories, goes deep into character lore and subtle theories...have given up on the comic book industry...and she was suppose to be the target audience 🤣🤣🤣
@@Inkrack ive read thousands of mangas manwhas and sadly enough also manhuas, they might have differences but at the core they are the same, visual drawings history draven book. dont be pedantic
@@Goosewitdajuice317 right back at ya. you not only not got the point of my comment, also made an unfit assestment. first, i stand by what i said. the same way american movies and asian movies are both story driven audiovisual, the books are also story driven visual drawings. in the core they are the same, the style they use doesnt take them away from what they are. and second. my point is that its not that girls arent interested, but that the medium didnt made any for them. and as an example i took two very popular female oriented books from asia.
@@ipanesm Don't get me wrong, they do have some core, but even then you still have many choices between multiple genre. For example, there's MANY ISEKAI, but you can find a good one between hot garbage. And even if you don't want to read isekai, you can read something else. Manhw or manhua for example, is always about cultivation, but you can find a good one between the boring one because wider choice. They even have cultivation story that focus on being doctor instead of fighting.
My gf likes looking at alot of independent western comics, and as far as a realistic solution goes I think this is probably the best place to go. Western comic readers need to try to support more independent comics, since they seem to have more competency in telling a good story - doing that is a whole other issue though. Just search and share good independent comics, and hopefully a new ecosystem of better comics can be built
Stray dogs The good Asian Cloaked Last flight out Lucky devil Man goat & the bunny man God country The department of truth Ranger stranger Radio apocalypse Eat the rich Barbaric The recount We live Let me know if you need more
@@JohnSmith-tc9ms Just read the endless backlog of content that's out there. I have two 500+ page omnibuses of Savage Sword of Conan, and there's 20 more volumes of the stuff. You could spend an entire year reading nothing but Conan and still not be finished with the various comics published for him over the years, from the Chronicles of Conan, Chronicles of King Conan, to Savage Sword, to the various miniseries, to the spin off Red Sonja. It's nearly bottomless.
Dynamite has some really good stuff Vampirella (how ever you spell the shit) is getting a resurgence, red Sonja is still killing it as well. The narrative that western comics are dying because political correctness is propaganda by the anime kids and people who don’t read comics. DC has a very amazing black label sub brand with adult content and marvel has been putting out heat (especially with daredevil) all these indies are fantastic. I love manga but 90% of its market in the states is shonen and every story in that genre is the same shit over and over again. Which is why I find the comments on this video funny because it comes from people who don’t read comics. Ablaze has a very good Conan comic, I think it’s adapted straight from Robert E. Waydes books.
I feel sad for them honestly. The only defining feature they want from a character is race, gender and sexuality. There's more to a person than that. Manga on the other hand even the harem comedy characters have development.
Modern day comic book characters have the depth of a drop of water, meanwhile manga characters like Guts and Ken Kaneki have the depth of the Marianas Trench in comparison
Comics have been stretching their talent and ideas (these days known as IP) to reach out and out to markets beyond the initial creators' scope of imagination. Manga is great because it's usually only ever ONE PERSON making the story. They either finish their story or they don't. Nothing ever gets the chance to be "updated for a greater audience" but the whole product gets to be consumed as intended and critiques accordingly.
Manga creators have lots of assistants who in many cases take on a lot of the work. Manga companies just don't credit the assistants because they fetishize the "sole creator" image. The company filters titles they don't have room pretty ruthlessly. Manga creators talk all the time about how time constraints cripple their stories.
@@johnpatron8436 but at least with manga when the guy on top is done, it’s done. Whenever I tried to get into comics different runs are too jarring a change that it’s no longer the same story and makes me lose interest
Man, I remember using up all of my allowance to buy DC Dark Knight and the Batman Detective comics. I kinda dropped out of comics, but in recent years I started to look at them again to introduce my kids to that world, but boy was it trash. Then my daughter told me about Manga and Anime, and i started watching and reading some with her, and was blown away by the storytelling and art. At my house since then, the only entertainment books we give them money for is Manga, and when that smug comic writer said if i didn't like her politics, don't buy her books, well that's exactly what I did, or didn't. Doubled down and got them boxed Manga sets for Christmas, bought the collectibles, etc. So, these comic writers have to realize they aren't only pissing off long time fans, but also parents who decide what can and can't be bought buy their kids, aka the next generation of fans.
tell ur kids to give "Yotsuba!" (Or Yotsubato! in Japanese) a read then, it's so awesome for all ages and such a lovable slice of life story that takes anyone back to the joys of being a kid. And it's rly funny lol. Even the catch phrase says "everyday is the bestday". Another one i'd recommend is "Spy X Family" it's sooo funny and creative, abt a family who are all hiding secrets from each other yet go on their daily lives through shenanigans and missions whilst trying to be a functional family lol.
some other ones are - Sakamoto days (a dude who used to be an assassin but is now a family man and got fat lol) - Arte (renaissance period yet very lovable and interesting) - Beck (abt rising to fame through rock) - Kingdom (the reunification of china) - the rain of teardrops and serenade (time travel, historical, romance very heart warming) - The girl from the other side (mystery, drama, made me cry lol) - Battle Angel Alita (i think you've heard of this one) - initial D (street racing) i would put more but i forgot many lol
I started getting into manga too. I thought i would hate it. But dear god its amazing. Beautiful panels from ome punch man. Amazing fights from my hero academia's war arc that just look like fights while being just pictures. And the beauty of bezerk is just draw dropping. How much time went into each and every panel
I've never was a manga reader, actually not much of areader at all lmao, but yesterday i read Vinnland saga and i got strangely hooked and spent the whole day reading the thing untill chapter 70 something, i still can't believe I'm already halfway into the thing.
Lol if you like Vinland Saga then id recommend you to read "Kingdom". Just beware first 200 chapters design werent pretty (after all it is started in 2006).
"They used to kill superheroes now they make them gay" Isn't that the same thing? Both are guaranteed ways to kill superheroes, the first one done to characters that have no popularity, the second one done to destroy any character's popularity by forcing an unnecessary change on a character with an estabilished legacy, only for clout.
@@Skycrusher UHM, have you ever read Superman in the 90's? His comic books were in decline so they had to temporarily kill him to reinvent his formula. Popular characters don't stay at top of the sales forever, at times people get bored with their stories and they are forced to change them, it happened to every single comic book character out there.
@@bloody4558 Hey I remember that; every once in a while Superman got killed off temporarily. 90s video games were new, flashy and exciting so they stole the spotlight from pretty much every other hobby.
What you said about platonic relationships not being a thing anymore is so true. It’s like two people can’t just be friends. And worst part is that this it’s not just a problem in fiction anymore. It’s effecting people’s perspectives on real life relationships! A couple of guys can hardly walk into a Starbucks together without the cashier assuming their a couple. Lol! No joke. This has happened to me before and I’ve even seen it happen to some of my other friends when we were just hanging out. No such thing as having a “bro” or a “bestie” anymore, and that’s sad.
A quote on that from the author of Narnia and other great books, C.S. Lewis: “Those who cannot conceive Friendship as a substantive love but only as a disguise or elaboration of Eros betray the fact that they have never had a Friend."
It's like everyone is so sex oriented, that they can't even conceive of spending time with someone you weren't going to have sex with, let alone caring about that person and enjoying your time with them
@@25meip I study how human friend/relationships work and to be fair, we always expect some kind of benefit from befriending an individual, even if it's a mere attempt to escape loneliness.
My favourite manga is Hibi Chouchou. It's a take on the highschool romance/slice of life genre but I've never seen anything like it. Both main characters are extreme introverts, they talk only with their best friends, the friends have to push them together when they find out their sympathy, but in the end they take it at their own pace and work it out without help. This manga threw me out the window, cause most interactions the two have for almost the whole first half of the series are without words. They usually just bow to each other and go their separate ways, or they pull each other's sleeves. But it still says waay more than it looks like. It makes anything more than a look much more important cause you know they had to go way out of their way to do it. It took 30 chapters for them to voice out they were in a relationship! The coolest thing Morishita Suu does is make all the friends and people around them very extroverted. This makes them stand out more and their reactions are more significant. For example they bow to each other and go, and almost always one of the friends has some remark on how weird that is. For me, it just made all interactions even more special. Absolute gem, a must-read if you're into highschool manga or a relationship-heavy story.
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Manga creators have passion behind their work. Comic creators? Nope.
Very funny I’ve been unsubbed from your acc bc of UA-cam twice and I don’t get your push notifs 😃
I don't need hair loss, neither do I need hair loss treatment! I go with the flow of nature! Hearing you complain makes my day. Yes, I enjoy your torment. Great episode dude, keep going!!
Far left Identity politics and cancel culture weirdos riddling the comic book industry with people like Zoe Quinn, Gail Simone, Kellly Sue DcConnick, Renfamous etc have removed good story telling and sacrificed it at the altar of 'diversity and inclusion'.
"If you don’t like my politics, don’t buy my book”
Your terms are acceptable
If you are going to put your politics front and center don't complain when your politics are criticized and your work doesn't sell.
Those are your words not mine 🤣
"Why aren't you buying my propaganda scum!"
Because I don't like your characters and stories.
"The only reason you would not like my characters is because you are racist, sexist and homophobic."
She is like if Frosty the Snowmans hat was a pink pair of glasses and you put those glasses on a garbage can filled with tampoons.
To which we won't read it anyway as we can just use the money to pay our car insurance.
Last time I was in a comic book shop, the racks called me an "ist & phobe"
Manga Gave me a hug and reach around
Did it give you that reach around til you finished?
@@kylopat1652 Yes, because Manga cares about my needs first
Comics: “Whyite man bad!!!”
Manga: “There are demons, pick up a sword and kill them.”
Lmao comic books ain't got no Ahegao.
That's what I'm talking about. I mean it's only common courtesy
Imagine depicting a character holding a sign saying "There's no planet B" while standing next to a literal alien.
That superman is Johnathan Kent, the son of Clark Kent, the OG Superman
Imagine holding that sign next to a dude who’s Dad is literally on his planet’s planet B.
They don't think
That's like telling Thor you're atheist. 😂
Maybe these "writers" parents should have used that nonexisting 'Plan B". Then we could have been spared their whining.
The thing is American comic industry shouldn’t be worried only about manga. Korean webcomics and Chinese novels are also catching up in the market so there is really no hope for American comic books at this point.
Chinese batman? Why do I feel like I've heard something about this before
@@stevenkunkle3857 gay batman goth catwoman
@@stevenkunkle3857 beware, hes coming for yo momma
This is a trend that is growing strong, even in other media like eastern european comics/videogames slowly growing in popularity while north american ones stagnate.
Web comics are ass. Almost all of them have extremely LOW QUALITy ART.
They often look like they're made by a 7th grader. Not for me.
"Comic books have always been for everyone." No, no they haven't. They've been for anyone, but never everyone. Anyone could become a comic fan. Not everyone was.
That's an excellent way of putting it. Comic books are a medium, and like most mediums, can be used to tell any story. But no story is really for everyone. We all have our own lives and experiences, our own tastes and preferences. Try to please everybody, and you'll please no one.
After the marvel movies became popular, I thought I would have lots to talk about with people since I've been a fan since I was little. Nope, nobody gives a shit. They just watch the movies and thats it.
Came here to say exactly this
Well said.
This is brilliantly well said.
I'm not really a manga reader, but lately I've almost exclusively been watching anime since so much live-action Western entertainment is just trash nowadays. I can find pretty much any genre in anime, and since I didn't watch much previously, it's ALL new to me. It's awesome.
Welcom brother I hope you enjoy the ride
@@Sssssss553 They will try to ruin anime and manga next and there's a decent chance they'll succeed. All they have to do is monopolize western anime distribution with the clause that they can "localize" certain elements of the property which is already being done with translations. So enjoy it while it lasts.
I was never much of a manga reader till I read Deathnote. I had watched the anime and was re-watching it when I found volume 1 of Deathnote Black Edition. Now I would almost rather read it
@@1810jeff Well, I can always still find pirated stuff with subs to avoid any "white-washing" they may do to dubbed versions, or unnecessary censorship of T & A for those ecchi series... That's how I was able to watch Interspecies Reviewers, had to find a bootleg of the subbed and uncensored version.
@@nothanks3236 True but keep in mind these options are usually only available to people that are already into anime or know their way around the internet and how to do so safety. So there's gonna be a massive drop in new non woke anime guys and if you've been paying attention anime like My Hero Academia is flooding the anime "community" with woke people and woke people (unless purged immediately) end up taking over communities. So keep that in mind and don't take what we currently have for granted.
Kentaro Miura's passing is not just tragic by what it meant to Berserk not ending. It's the reminder that amazing things are not made by corporations, but by individuals. And those amazing things end when the creator dies or leaves. And manga is all about the individual making that manga. That's why is so great. Is someone telling us a very personal and amazing thing.
Tanjiro and Guts slashed the Woke Whamen Ghost Rider for the OGs(Johnny Blaze and Danny Ketch).
In my head Guts just becomes a fisherman.
Miura's students worked along side him through the years on Berserk with him, even drawing for him. His hand-built team. Duranki too. His editor also was a huge help to him. He wasn't a one man show. Berserk is unfinished, but based on what his students have said of him, he'd want the story finished. All it takes is a healthy education on philosophy and psychology to see the entire framework of Berserk. His students should know this better than anyone.
@@br9760 His students can succeed him but cant replace him. If they ever continue the story, it will not be the same. They could make something great, but will not be 'Miura's Berserk".
@@dmaxcustom if you are a nostalfag then of course It will not be the same, and also you are disrespecting miura’s legacy because the Japanese always thinks that the student surpasses the teacher, that’s why miura keep them by his side while he wrote the manga
All we can continue to say is, for anime and manga, there is literally a story for everyone. You just have to find them. “There’s an anime about that.”
That probably the biggest manga advantage over comics.
Want an epic adventure with incredible fights: Black Clover, Bleach or One Piece had you covered.
Horror and Gore: There you go Berserk and Monster.
Just want an relaxing manga with charachters doing cute things: K-ON, Kobayashi Dragon Maid, Aria and infinity of Slice of Life series are there for you.
Seriously, I cant for the life of myself believe that just "cute " mangas like K-ON could be made as a comic, the author would be laughed out of the editor room because his/her idea would be seen as ridiculous.
@@carloscampos5860 Gundam's Recommendations he casually gave us at the End aint bad, but i cant help but notice it's all fight-filled Battle-Shonen. I mean, if one limits himself to just that, one misses out hard. Theres amazing Manga 'just' about opening a Restaurant, playing a video-game or raising an unusual Pet. Manga aint just Battles, so i hopüe Gundam widens his Horizon.
There’s literally a western comic for everything if y’all go outside of marvel or dc you would see that. Like this whole convo should really have just been why eastern comics are killing marvel or dc not western comics cause there are literally hundreds of thousands of extremely skilled American and western comics that can easily compete with Japanese comics
@@geekyboy6875 graphic novels back when I was a kid were cool but hard to come by. W.I.T.C.H graphic novels were available at Walmart and the book fair at school had some things. These were outside of marvel and dc. We understand that other western materials exist outside Marvel and DC. They don’t get as much recognition in places so you don’t find out about it until much later. For me personally, I like trying to find different things rather they are western, eastern, etc.
@@geekyboy6875 French, German and Belgian comics ironically have better stories than Americans.
Manga is really more accessible because of the translations and piracy.
I was in an advanced art class back in high school and our teacher got a professional comic/video game concept artist to come talk to us. I don't remember his name, but he worked on some Batman comics and Star Wars games. He went on this long ass rant before we even got to start asking questions about how anime and this "Japanese crap" has no future, never will and we should all just give up on that kind of art forever because it's a waste. I didn't draw for quite a while after that (beyond classwork), not until I gained a bit more maturity and realized he was just a frustrated old man, scared of being phased out of relevance and employment.
Should have told him okay boomer.
this totally happened /s
@@NeroLeMorte nowadays yeah. This was 2005.
@@obamakiske yup
@@WiscoKnight0806 ah right... True.
Apart from all the political issues, it's difficult to get into comics. When reading a manga, I know to start from volume 1. Comics have so many off shoot titles, and alternative timelines now, that for a new person, it's just incredibly difficult to know where to start from.
The real problem with that is that comics are afraid to stop milking well established characters. I wish we could have something like Shonen jump that constantly encourages new stories that end somewhere.
Youre generalizing Comics there Karan, theres a whooole world of comics outside of Marvel and DC. You wanna read The Walking Dead? Start with Volume 1…same with Invincible, Saga and thousands of others series.
You know batman and spiderman have a volume 1 too. You could start there.
@@cyclone927 Fair point but lets be honest, the majority of people are gonna watch the tv series
@@NiRvAnA6890 The problem is that they have MULTIPLE volume 1s. And only some of the information in those comics is relevant in the current comic series, while the rest has been retconned or forgotten
In this current age of Internet... the most common act is piracy.
Hilariously enough, the Comics industry has gotten so bad that nobody wants to even pirate the products. That's how bad the situation is.
Meanwhile, manga is plagued by piracy yet still manages to outsell comics.
Fr ive read some pirated manga so i could catch up to what physical copy i had and the amount of pirated manga on some sites is crazy
Literally if you go into a search bar and type read before the name of the manga and then free after it there’s like 90% chance the top link will be a website lmao
right after this hearing about the piracy scene... I bought like a fck ton of volumes of manga I pirated one of which I bought the whole series.
Ironically enough I’ll usually read a manga online for free or watch the anime and BECAUSE I pirated it I’ll go out and buy physical copies. I have almost all of Tsubasa, I have the entirety of Code Geass, I’m working my way through Attack on Titan. You start off wanting them for free because you don’t want to pay but end up spending as much as you can on them because the stories mean so much to you. That’s the power of the manga industry, that it even turns thieves into fans, because even stolen it has value.
@@StickFiguresCO you're not alone :>
Wow, manga piracy is bigger than the whole American comic book industry?! Really? Now that is a certain sign it is done for.
imagine making something so shit that people dont even want to pirate it, that's the comic industry
@@itsClaptrap I do pirate comic books from time to time, but it's almost always either older titles, like NecroVision, really good stuff like Conan stories, or stuff from small publishers which is occasionally good, like Avatar Press, Vertigo Comics, Dynamite Entertainment, Image Comics, and older stuff from Marvel / DC.
Almost everything Conan the Barbarian or Elseworlds is great.
The new stuff is almost always not worth the paper it's printed on.
Manga piracy has been huge for a very long time. It's a big issue but hasn't broke the industry because because they still make money on figurines/toys, video games, anime shows and movies, subscription sites and physical copies that people need to use to pirate or translate the manga, and other novelties and fashion brand collaborations when it's done legit.
haha I remember on Pirate Bay comic books where the shit. back in the 00s to 2012 before the new 52.
Even with rampant piracy, manga still makes more monet lol
I think HeHeSilly said it best:
"How's your comic coming along?"
"Pretty cutting edge. All the characters are racial and sexual minorities."
"What about their personalities?"
"Their what?"
sounds like the stonetoss meme
@@Crimson522 W.
I don't know the sexual orientation of anyone I work with. Because people aren't their race and orientation, yet somehow all the "writers" think that is all someone is.
@@TheNuclearGeek there are flesh and blood humans who think that their sexuality or race defines them
It's sad, really.
@@armouredjester1622 It is sad. I firmly believe all the genders and sexualities people are coming up with are a product of telling and teaching kids that everyone is equal but everyone is also special, and those things make you the most special.
That and the fact that if you don't pick something else to "identify" as then you are defaulted to racist & sexist, especially if you're a white kid.
"If two female characters are friends, everyone wants them to be lesbians." This is so true and it hurts my soul. It would be nice to see two males or females just be close friends.
I mean that's the reason "sidekicks" were invented in comic books. It's not something sexual, they aren't F-ing lovers...And then you wonder why milenials and zoomers have zero friends only ex-s. You don't need to sleep with every friend of yours :)
Fangirls are the worst, man. And hypocritical too. There's this song with a story between two men, Person A helped Person B through his life problems and then one day Person A got abducted. It's a two-piece story, in the first song, EVERYONE especially girls shipped the two guys. Then the second version dropped and it's revealed that Person A is not a man but a girl in disguise and only THEN Person B looked like he liked the girl romantically, you know what the comment section say? "I just want them to be friend, y'know." Wtf is wrong with them, their hypocrisy made me react violently in disgust.
Like Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy…had to make them scissor. Lol
@@tavirosu25 my parents are definitely not millennials, they have a lot of x's
I'd say that's pretty typical for young people starting from the 1960s onward.
I would be quite surprised if your parents didn't have a bajillion stories of people they dated in high school, college and onward before they finally met your parent, and they might even be divorced at this point and beyond their fourth girlfriend
Actually, millennials are the ones that were starting to actually think more down to earth in terms of the stuff, stop generalizing millennials for the only few that you've met that fit into the stereotype. Gen z on the other hand, I don't think I've met anyone who's gen z and doesn't act like the stereotypes, and I know a heck of a lot of gen z, they fill my apartment building
I happen to be writing a story where there are two female characters as the main characters. Although, they aren't really even close friends either, they're just business associates that are frequently annoyed with each other. No, it's not an office comedy, it's a cyberpunk series about a secret League of superhuman assassins, who eventually turned to realize something new
4:10 - I didn't know these two were so RaCiSt. How dare they deny the experiences of the minority races by saying, "They try to make it so any race can enjoy their stories!?" Unbelievable! Treating everyone equally and fairly is racist.
Very intolerant indeed
It is no longer about equality, just dominance over others disguised to the notion as 'equity'.
Duh, they're old whyte men! Like, they were probably alive during slavery or something!
It's as if the, I'm (insert whatever label here) is more important than having an actual personality to convey in a narrative.
@@logangotcha8429 They want to fight the power purely for the sake of BEING the power. That's pretty much it.
I grew up reading Japanese manga and Korean manwha in S Korea. When I came to the US, I’ve tried reading American comic books but I learned that there were so many different artists for a series. Japanese manga usually has just one main artist with assistants so the art is consistent and part of the joy is to see the art improvements over time.
Having multiple artists makes sense as a business so you can continue the legacy for decades without overworking a single mangaka weekly. But it gets difficult to read when I get used to one art style then the next volume it completely changes as if I’m reading a different series.
True. I surprise when I know it even confused until know. If I look with manga way maybe it is like spin-off of the original title.
SpiderMan is the primary example for this problem to me
like this character has been around ages and they still write him as he was in highschool??
Because Marvel thinks being a dad sucks?
yeah sure, i'd rather Watch midhero accademia at this point
Totally agree ❤
Great point
You also forgot that Manga is actually willing to take risks and do new stuff. There are so many ideas that don't sound like they should be fun but with good story telling they somehow make things work.
he doesn't care because he's a grifter.
I mean, just example are Drops Of God(about wine) and Silver Spoon (Agriculture). You never think these things will sell but it does in Japan. Even if you talk about Shounen like Bleach or Naruto, there is also a theme and continuity.
wish I could say the same for anime...
@@ryanrobinson4287 Anime industry is dead for years now. They are just used either as a promo for light novels or mangas or just for Shounen nowadays.
@@scorpioninpink we can say the same thing about manga nowadays they are oversatured with isekais and high school romances
"I'm worried because stores are closing..."
Stores close because they can't/don't sell products. Comic writers MAKE the product! If you're worried that stores are closing, make a better product. How do you make a better product? Start listening to your customers. It's not that complicated.
@@pylot5021 Racist and anti-vax. COVID is why Kevin Smith's comic store is failing! lol
@@NewWorldOrgone Yeah but he's white so according to Kevin Smith's own logic it's okay to be racist towards him.
Simple basic logic escapes the progressive types, time and time again it's demonstrated
That would mean that they would have to admit that their fake moral grandstanding and ideals don't matter. I'm sure most would rather die than lose reddit and twitter clout.
Most of the comic book stores close to me have switched to Manga and back ordering old issues of the comics that people actually buy
In 2017, there were 50 comic store closures in the US.
In 2018, this number doubled, to an additional 100 closures.
In 2019, this number doubled *again,* to 200 additional closures- Nearly 400 closures, in three years.
I do not know what the 2020 and 2021 numbers look like, but I suspect they aren't quite as dire... because there probably aren't 400 shops *left* to close.
This is the future they chose.
They didn't close. They sell manga now. They are manga stores
@@Srobvio85 Capitalism: IT JUST *FUCKING WORKS.*
Does digital sales have anything to do with that?
It'd be funny if in one of these Marvel or DC comics the characters talk about late stage capitalism while browsing a comic store full of manga.
@@johnpatron8436 if you mean you can just read their toilet paper online without paying jack shit, (like most of us do with manga) then yes.
Amen to your rant on Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy going from being great friends to gay. Same thing with Frodo and Sam. Our Western culture developed this stupid idea that the apex of friendship is romance. So when you see 2 guys or 2 girls who are huge friends, they must be gay, when in reality it's 2 completely different types of love. Because of course Sam loves Frodo. But let people love each other without making it sexual, you pervs.
They handled it pretty well in the recent Harley Quinn show. Don't try to tell people they are wrong, just make a compelling story and people will enjoy it. Don't try to reinvent or rewrite history by disregarding the source material. You can expand on the source material, just be respectful to the source material.
I hated how they can’t have platonic relationships anymore.
It’s also detrimental to the character of Poison Ivy that was a Femme Fatal that used seduction as a deadly weapon. Not only is she on a relationship now, but is now gay, meaning stories like she getting by seducing powerful people like Dent or Bruce are out of the picture now.
Oh so that's what happened. I was confused why that was and now I know. Thanks.
Because the pervs, pedos, and degens of the coastal (self-anointed) elite cannot imagine love without sex. They corrupt everything they touch.
@@NM-ev7pu
funny how you say they handled it well while they’re actively disrespecting the characters by making the show.
It’s like making Batman kill people.
I'm reminded of a show I watched like, in the early 2000's talking about Manga, not word for word but basically the gist is, "There are manga out there with something for everyone. There are stories about Office workers, old people falling in love, Superhero stories, dark fantasy, gay stories and even just for perverts." Basically no matter what topic you can think of, there's probably a manga that can scratch that itch and even if it doesn't, there's a good chance someone is writing that story right now. I'll be honest, I hate the modern idea of representation and everytime someone says it because it sounds like the most Marketing BS just dribbling out of their mouth. True representation lies in the pages of people not trying to tick a box. Hell one of the most diverse types of Games are Fighting games, not because "Muh representation" but because varied fighting styles and cultures naturally go together and are cool to watch. Like KOF, Tekken, Virtua Fighter, Street Fighter, etc all had a multinational cast with the sole goal of beating the piss out of each other and it was great.
that might have been jonathan ross' documentary on japan, he mentions the manga types you mentioned, including 'silver-lining' manga for the elderly who want romance reading
@@roifor7809 That'd make sense, I used to randomly watch things at night that caught my interest, so I probably only watched the manga part or it's the only part i remembered.
There’s a million generic Isekai’s right now.
Cope.
@@Dragonage2ftw people just like isekai
@@Dragonage2ftw
There's a billion generic superhero comics.
Cope.
Kelly Sue: "If you don't like my politics, don't buy my book."
Fans: "Ok!"
*Years of failed comics later....*
Kelly Sue: "This isn't how you play the game!"
Fans: "Game over!"
Your memes end here, Kelly Sue!
Pools closed.
@@pollock6985 Pools Closed Due to AIDS
As a sexy bi sexual cyborg once says to a brazilian storm....."PLAY TIME IS OVER"
they're not fans of her if they never followed her in the first place
There's literally manga about making manga. That's how personal these types of stories get. No shoving down a reader's throat woke bullshit, no minority pandering, none of that. Just simple, personal and compeling stories about characters we love and respect
ah yes because minorities never exist in mangas at all
There's a manga/anime about making bread...
And there's a manwha about cleaning baths...
Even a story about a daily task can be made interesting! That's creativity.
The political messages in recent comic books are not the issue; every meaningful story usually has a message it conveys, but beating the message over the reader's head IS the issue. What is the message of The Matrix? It's a trans allegory but the message is actually conveyed with nuance that allows for many ways of interpretation.
You can't have a story about how killing people is a bad thing and then have characters only talk about that one thing in a hamfisted way because it would be terrible. Having a good message doesn't mean the story is good, and from what I know, the issues the comic book industry face are because the stories are generally kind of shit. Death Note's message is basically that, but it's a good story, and so is well liked.
@@t.7124 matrix is neither allegorical nor related to transgenderism
@@Goosewitdajuice317 But I mean almost every story has a political message.
@Chad Kakashi And the Matrix is definitely an allegory. It might not be a trans one (though the creators say it is so we could just take their word) but it is clearly trying to convey a deeper meaning about the way we think. It's just that it's meaning it subtle enough to make it enjoyable on a surface level experience.
Attack on Titan is a story about people fighting titans, yet on a deeper level it's about the issues of hatred and racism. And you can argue that Attack on Titan is even an allegory for the tensions between China and Japan post-world war 2. This last interpretation (which has a lot of evidence) is something I do NOT agree with personally, as it implies that China is wrong for holding grudges despite Japan committing war crimes, and yet Attack on Titan is good enough to enjoy despite that. I love Attack on Titan but disagree with it's stance on things.
A comic book pausing its story to have the characters mouth off how sexism is bad is just pure shit. Not because the message is pure shit, but because of how it is told. It's just shit, and arguable, even worse than that because of how a story like that treats its audience as dumb.
(The issues with comics is also probably tied to how the writers are commonly hacks who got the job through nepotism...)
"Those who perceive friendship as a disguise or elaboration of Eros betray the fact they have never had a friend"
-CS Lewis
Shippers in a nutshell
Hello brother
@@He-who-wakes gang walter 💪💪💪
Ero's?
@@yurichtube1162 it's ancient greek for sexuality
In the Jack Kirby interview segment, there's a book over his shoulder in the background called "The Art of Jack Kirby" published by Blue Rose Press. I worked on that book with a couple of other people. I drew the cover, aping Jack's style and Kevin Eastman (of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fame) inked and colored it. Eastman also financed the book.
Because of the research on that book, I got to meet Jack at his house and look through his personal collection. In that room was a flat file cabinet as tall as I was that was packed with envelopes holding the original art from entire issues of the books he worked on. Roz, his wife, took some of the romance and war comics he'd done and had them bound into hardcovers. Now this generally devalues the comics in the binding, but in this case, each volume had inside the cover a plate that said "From the Library of:" and each was signed by Jack.
As part of the project, I also got to scan and touch-up for publishing pages from his personal war notebooks where he drew things when he got bored sitting in a foxhole. These were done in a style you wouldn't recognize as the bombastic one he's known for.
Good times.
These are stories I love to hear
It must've been a dream coming true.
Nice! You get to keep the scans?
Do you keep the scans? And how was is war skribbles?
Wow. Amazing
I find it funny that Japanese manga can make loveable LGBTQ+ characters that no one complains about. This is clearly not about bigotry, but rather bad writing with an excuse of inclusivity.
Coz they didn't force establish character to be a gay, in gay manga the character gay coz they gay not coz some dumb sjw want diversity on comic n the author cut Corner by take Robin n turn him into gay
This comment reminds me of Jojos Bizzare adventure hahahah the most manliest and gayest manga and anime i've read and watch.
@@adrianarcon2246 Jolyne was supposed to be a lesbian but Araki found that to be too risky for the time. But at least he considered it.
Manga is outselling comics not because comics are "woke", but because manga simply have way more innovation and creativity in their characters and stories. And manga is way better drawn, without a question.
Superhero comics never, ever change. It's always been Spiderman, Batman, Superman, Justice League, Avengesr, etc, etc, for the past 40 years. How much creativity and innovation can you really inject into the same characters for 40 years?
no one complains about it because the complainer dont watch it.
I'm actually jealous of the light novel industry in Japan, a thing that doesn't even exist as a concept in the US. Over here, you have to invest a huge amount of energy in writing a full novel and then hope that one of a handful of publishing companies will deign to give it a chance as one of the few things they publish that year. Those companies predetermine what they think readers want that year and only publish novels that fit into that frame.
It seems to me that Japan has a much better system with tons of LNs being put out there as well as manga. I mean, people even sell doujins--basically fanfiction. The creative market in Japan just seems far more open. Yeah, you hear about how hellish it can be to work in the manga or light novel industries in Japan, but people are actually doing it. How many people even get a foot in the door here in the US?
How about the video game novels konami did with silent hill?
How about the pulps back in the 20s? They help make a semi living. REHs conan started off as.
"Progressivism: The movement with no issue other than looking for issues."
-Gundam
Stealing this phrase...
I don't know if it's still up but there's literally a website documenting the huge list of hate crime hoaxes.
One of my favorites is the kkk hood on campus that turned out to be a microscope cover. And the dangerous pollen all over a politician's car from the biggest bigot of all: nature.
@@felipefrio9091 Gundam should make some merch with that on it I'd buy it
This statement is offensive to people who can't look.
We know the world is fucked when you have to be told to be outraged!!!
"Manga wants to touch you, Comic Books wants to preach to you" What a great sentence!!
Manga wants to touch your hearth...
Comic Books wants to MOLEST YOU intellectually
@Claudio Salazar nice🤣
@Claudio Salazar it even sometimes wants to give a sloppy one if it’s feeling generous
@Claudio Salazar It touched me there too
Manga wants to touch you. You have to show your therapist where on the doll the comic books touched you.
For real, Miura's death was one of the hardest things I've ever had to accept.
R.I.P to the legend
Will they continue berserk?
Time will tell. I've heard rumor that the outline for the remainder of the series was already written. Miura apparently had a habit of taking his time on the art, making sure it was perfect. If this is true, it's definitely possible that his students could finish his work.
@@countdracula9763 tbf,even if they actually continued,it wouldnt be miura's work,so it probably wont be accepted by the fanbase. Although if it ACTUALLY does,i will support them
@@samzonDx i think miura already told the ending to his collegues (?) so i'll be satisfied enough if the ending is gonna be the same as the original artist has intended haha
I feel like the main problem with the current day comic book industry was summed up quite well at the start of the video. They beat you over the head with their message instead of having it naturally unfold to you throughout the story. Instead of finding out the story's message alongside the characters in a moment of growth, they are screaming their message straight into your ears. Their mistake is that they think the message comes before the story, and that is wrong. In order to send your message in a way that will resonate with people, you need a good story to tell that message. Storytelling 101 is "Show, don't tell." So don't tell me what your message is and why it matters, SHOW me what it is and why it matters.
Exactly. The messages are good, and it's great to see more diversity in comic books, but it's the fact that they are just bad that is the issue. A good message doesn't mean a good story, and I feel like the people creating newer comic books just don't understand this. Like, Jojo's is fucking ridiculous and hardly has a message, but it's good and enjoyable and fun.
What i find most depressing about this is that comic book heroes are more mainstream than ever. Marvel and DC are everywhere, the movies make billions, people are always hungry for more, so comics should have been thriving.
The failure of the comics industry is one of the biggest dropped balls in media I've ever seen.
A Captain America or Superman comic getting outsold by random seasonal manga named "That Time I got Reincarnated as a Handicapped Shopkeeper" or something is just absurd to me.
That's the problem, comics are becoming too mainstream now.. it garnered attention from SJWs , and they are now occupying the industry trying to use comic to brainwas-imean "educate" people who reads it.
@@hteekay but how can something that is dying so hard waste time on offending its audience? I don't think the average MCU fan actually owns a single comicbook, nor does a lefty twitter user.
At some point an industry and its sponsors should just pull the plug and go for profit like any proper business.
What happened to the usual boring and safe motto that corporate loves to push?
@@luminous3558 The writers are all SJW, and Marvel just keeps them to maintain the IP rights. They really don't care. Hollywood is still 'white-washing' within concept but now they act like they don't by changing classical white characters into ethnic ones or changing their gender.
Sauce for that anime:
"That time I got reincarnated as a slime"
Good isekai
Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken?
There's a comic book shop near my house where I go to play Yu-Gi-Oh on the weekends.
A while ago, the owner came in and announced some big changes he was making in the store.
And guess what the very first one was?
"We're expanding our manga section."
GEE, I WONDER WHY.
BTW It'sAGundam, it's nice to see yet another supporter of The Critical Drinker.
Damn didn't expect to see another yugioh player here. From what I hear it's way more lucrative than selling comics anyways, so a lot of those stores do tcgs on the side at least.
NORMAL SUMMON ALEISTER
Because they’re a trend
That reminds me of the early 00's when teens went to play Pokemon, Digimon, and Yu Gi Oh card games in the local public library. Damn, and now i made myself feel old. haha.
Critical Drinker lmao, he literally messed up big time on that Shang Chi prediction.
DC and Marvel are confusing twitter engagement and online clicks with "interest" while on the otherside of the pond they judge it off of sales numbers and customer polls.
YES. Who is actually in charge here? Some old, repentant boomer? Sales trump all, not social media.
Honestly, I don't get it. It's nearly global. At first I thought "it makes sense. They just believe they are chasing the money. Right?" But these issues are widespread. Corporations, Hollywood, corporations that listen and echo what Twitter says, journalists, gaming and devs, just so many are saying the same thing in the same way with the same bs and it's just like .."why?" They are losing money and venture capital and floundering quickly. Why did this flip everything and staying that way? Is it just so the executives can leech more of the money and claim that all the other levels are failing so they pay them less while they get grossly overpaid while no one is watching since everyone is bickering about these kinds of topics?
And Japan still sells Bara, Shounen-Ai, and Yaoi manga just fine and it's because of the theme itself.
Manga is outselling comics not because comics are "woke", but because manga simply have way more innovation and creativity in their characters and stories. And manga is way better drawn, without a question.
Superhero comics never, ever change. It's always been Spiderman, Batman, Superman, Justice League, Avengesr, etc, etc, for the past 40 years. How much creativity and innovation can you really inject into the same characters for 40 years?
If you think woke politics are the downfall of US comics, you're a fool. DC and Marvel are just focusing on other mediums of storytelling more which bring in much more revenue.
It's not surprising that manga would beat comic sales because they have different varieties of genres but seeing manga beat comics in the superhero genre is a wakeup call
I tried getting into US comics in the early 2010s but that happened after years of reading manga.
Big huge mistake, US comics at the time were terrible when compared against manga at any category. I gave it my best so I just bought the animated movies that adapted the best stories from the 80s comics and they were great but once you done with those animated movies, you are left out in the cold... the comics were nothing but political commentary with mediocre art.
In manga/anime I can actually indulge in escapism with solid, innovative and non-preachy stories... the fact that the art is levels above current US comics industry is just the icing on that cake.
Love you Gundam, and I agree, the day Kentaro Miura died I felt it.
Knowing the master piece Berserk is will never have a proper ending crafted by his own author hit me real hard after years of reading it and patiently waiting for new chapters was painful.
Hopefully the assistants have enough drafted ideas from Kentaro to wrap it up with at least an OK ending.
At least there's still the silver and golden age era comics. Try those
@@MASTEROFEVIL Indeed.
Worst is the constant reboots not even 5 books in and they want to reboot the character.
Read older comics. Alan Moore's stuff is great. Just stick to classics for U.S. comics and Japan for new
Weird seeing Manga/Anime become so mainstream now, I remember always being the weird kid for liking it back in school.
Been a fan of anime for years and I was always given these looks like I was the weird one. But now netflix and other streaming services are making it more mainstream and the rise of popularity as well (and not to mention anime movies coming to the local cinemas more and more) I'm here laughing bc everyone is seeing how awesome anime and maga really is
@@kelliecanscan3364 I've always found it stupid to dismiss one kind of media. That's really what it is, an anime or manga is a form of media, similar to a book, painting or game. Why dismiss it? Yeah one can say "books are stupid", but that only makes you narrow minded. You can prefer books to television shows or vice versa, absolutely no problem.
People use to try and bully me for liking video games, comics, manga, anime, dnd, etc. all the nerd shit that’s now popular so honestly I’m pretty fucking pissed off about it when I put a little thought into it but that’s just how it goes.
Brooooooooooo people were asking me why am watching kids shows when I was watching dbz back in schools library. Crazy how time changes, glad I have seen it all. Been watching anime since 2004 when I was super young.
In the middle east Japan been promoting anime there since the 70s, so it was less weird watching anime in the early 2000, even dad and mom were watching anime when they were kids. But when I moved to a western country things were a bit different there.
In my 20's I pirated so much anime....now...I buy a metric shit ton of manga and light novel on a monthly basis. I'm paying Japan back for being the shield in the darkness I needed.
I’d buy more manga if I had the space in my room😭. I’d like to build up a collection for my daughter one day. Currently pregnant and hope she’ll be into these things also one day.
@@bri827 that's sweet❤️
I still "pirate" or look at manga scans but buy the official translated releases later on even verrry expensive bluerays of anime. That being said I'm very pro piracy and support the artists when your able to
that's gonna be me lmao i started watching anime a few years ago and then started manga and i haven't looked back. man i was missing out on some good shit. THOSE stories and characters make me want to be a better person, not the leftist preaching
here is the thing pirating anime is good cause there are places where people cannot watch said series what is actually good and beneficial to the japanese is buying the merch and the source material which is what you are doing and it is a good thing
"I'm sorry to break this to you, but captain america is a sjw"
No, Cap never was. Cap is a man who knew what needed to be done, and had the strength of body and heart to make the choices. Cap is a man who can meet muscle with eloquency in words meeting pen for sword. Cap is that original american dream that these days hangs so drearily away in the distance. Captain america is a fucking HERO. Not some kiss ass, corporate boot licking, slacktivist.
Yes I am getting way more passionate and upset about this than I should but growing up with the works of Kirby, Lee, and others who have carved their fucking LEGACY into the industry. Watching that all burn is disheartening.
Captain America is the symbol of patriotism and patriotism is now only a right leaning idea and thus the entertainment industry which is left...have to alter his character.
America used to be that all its citizens loved the country and the left and right just had different approaches to the same goal. Now however the left is wole and anti America and they own the artistic control of the characters in those comics. It's also why they went after Thor in the mcu. Thor is the embodiment of whiteness...the lefts ultimate enemy white straight male power. He is a Nordic God, he is invincible, he inherited his power via birth right as with his kingdom. He is everything the left hates despite him actually being based on a real Nordic mythical character...they will look to change him to suit their wokeness. In End Game, they used him as a punching bag before introducing the new age female characters. They made him a wimp, scared, fat, lost, vulnerable, a bad leader to make Valkyrie look stronger than him, to look down at him.
The comic world is now entirely political man
Hell yeah brother
No, you're EXACTLY as passionate as you should be.
Oh no, we all get where you're coming from. It feels like being an Avenger and watching everything you've fought for in the name of Peace, Love and Justice is all just falling to rubble inspite of your heroic effort.
I totally understand that feeling.
@@j0fiz986 Well put. Captain America was a patriot and believed in the law, not going around it to do what you want.
I got turned on to Berserk by some friends and my shop owner. I used to spend $70+ a week down to $5-15 on comics. I read the first volume of Berserk and after that I bought 2-3 volumes a week. I’ve found other books to pick up as well. I walk right past the new comic books rack anymore. R. I.P. Kenturo Miura. The news of his passing was a gut punch.
RIP Kenturo Miura. Your work will be shown and cherished for generations. Love the ceremonies people did in FFXIV.
Berserk is the gateway drug to manga
Berserk is the first manga I've read and my god what a gruesome, yet beautiful masterpiece it is. No movie, series, game, or book comes close to it. RIP Kentaro Miura, it still feels unreal..
You got some good friends, man. Berserk's a masterpiece.
am getting the new deluxe editions of berserk as they come out....have old worn out paperbacks that i've read a hundred times...just finished volume 9 last night....berserk has been one of those things that shaped the way i looked at entertainment and turned me into a dark fantasy niche nerd....when i read the last volume of the deluxe edition i might get sick to my stomach :(
When I was a teenager there was a local comic book shop my friends and I would go to every Friday after school. I would save all the money I could during the week just to buy a few issues and we'd go to my friends house to read them together. We'd share issues so that we all didn't have to buy each one. It was an awesome feeling to be genuinely excited about what I read on the page and what was going to happen next.
The store itself was amazing. Super clean and gave off that new comic book smell. There was hand drawn art on all the walls and a special room in the back with art books and a place for kids to draw together. The community and the employees were amazing! They were always eager to have a chat about anything comics. I loved that comic book shop.
Recently I found myself thinking about that shop and my great memories with it. I haven't gone in years and I was afraid the pandemic may have killed it. I looked it up and sure enough it was still there so I instantly rushed over. But when I entered the doors of my of my old comic book shop my excitement turned to sadness. The store looked disorderly, filthy, and stale. The special backroom was now just filled with empty cardboard boxes and even the new comic book smell was gone. Still I went through the new arrival section to see if I'd pick anything up just for old time sake. But I couldn't find a single story that peaked my interest. I left slightly depressed and without making a single purchase.
I know we like to clown on the modern day comic industry but it really hurts to see that those paying the price for the declining quality of comics are the local shops.
That’s because the shop you went to sounds like it didn’t have much, in NYC we’re home to the biggest comic book shop in the country two floors of comics and manga.
There definitely is something for everyone in both eastern and western comics whether you choose to dedicate your self to finding what you like is up to you.
Man this just sounds depressing.
just change to manga and remember the women are dudes 50% of the time
Imagine having friends as a teen🥲
@@bm3350 😂
Maybe it's just me, but sometime when I read comics nowadays compared to manga they feel like... lecturing? I think? I don't know how to say it. For example, I've read a comic book and a manga once that tackles the same conflict about being in the LGBTQ+ community. Even though they are similar their ways of writing are quite different, and left different impressions on me. The comic left me feeling like I've been lectured and talked down by a stranger on a train I just met merely for existing. The manga however made me feel like I'm an intruder for reading them, like I'm reading a private personal diary, I can feel the characters pain and struggle and it felt kind of scary at times at how real they can be. So maybe that's the difference for me? But if comic books these days are gonna suck, I'll be fine with reading old Peanuts comic books.
What manga was that?
@@alvaroespinosa4379 shit- i forgot the name, but there's this one about a gay boy who's yet to be out of the closet date a girl who likes to read bl, and his journey of finally accepting himself. It's very bittersweet to me, such a shame I forgot the name for it. But if you find it maybe you'll enjoy it
@@Hikarukun11 Sounds like a doujinshi about a bottom dude. It probably exists, somewhere. Give me a moment.
@@blank-3403 it is, but it's less of a love story and more of a 'strunggling to overcome your sexuality' story since it's more about a teenage boy pretending to be straight and 'normal' dating a straight girl who likes bl, which is the closest he could get to somebody accepting his hidden sexuality. I heard there's a live action adaptation of it.
There's your first mistake, you actively went out of your way to read a "lecturing" comic
The Japanese understand the concept of escapism more then any nation. When you get 1 day off a week and work 12 hour days minimum, you gotta know how to cut loose.
I understand your comment. I think we both already know Japan is most overworked here.
That's why Neon Genesis Evangelion was made. To show how strong their urge for escapism is, why it's a dangerous trend, and why you have to change the system to help alleviate this problem.
@@Ohmargod i don’t know Americans have more free
time and the writers can’t even wrote a decent comic
"That time I got re incarnated as a killer maid-robot" to be fair is a funny un-realistic story that does just that.
@@zeehero7280 is this a real story I need to know
Anime/Manga handles LGBT characters better than woke western crap.
yup, with the ones i’ve read/watched, the characters are always so well written with complex personalities/traits and relatability. western comics make them more like caricatures rather than characters
Agree!
Western Comics makes it very patronizing.
Hmm, depends.
Better? With no doubt. Still not a fan of it though, personally.
Can we talk about how mangakas today literally had the most time consuming job that for some people it isn't worth it...
But they somehow pull it up because it's not just a hobby or a job, it's a dream to be serialized.
Surprised this hasn't blown up
Yes and it's kind of toxic, they should create some patron site for his fans to support him.
@@ribertfranhanreagen9821 yeah. I think the whole "manga magazine" system is old and counterproductive. A lot of series have been ruined or never got to see the light because of it.
Not to mention the copy/paste stories people make in order to be serialized. It makes harder for new, revolutionary or risky ideas to be took in consideration. Like, "if something works why change it"?
@@ribertfranhanreagen9821 a patron? Im sorry but sorry but mangaka are rich af they just need the companies managing them to give them more leniency with there work schedule. The only shonen manga i see take consistent breaks is the author of one piece and the only reason they let him do that is because one piece is there #1 manga. Its really sad to see how authors get treated just look at what the author of bleach had to say about his experience
mangaka is rich. he has more money than DC and Marvel comic book writers. They own the copyrights to their work and get royalties.
Speaking from experience, people who don't read comic books think that every story is about superheroes. They think that there is only Marvel and DC.
To get comics back up to their former glory, it's gonna take more than just the existence of Image Comics. Something has got to come along and make people realize that there are worthwhile stories to be told within comics. It has to be fashionable again. Once the hook is set, then the money will be there for more ambitious projects and the industry will boom.
Yes, the main issue with comics in the west is distribution and marketing of other genres. The rest will flow smoother through recomendations, like how eastern comics are doing.
yes yesss the indies will rise rise
That exactly what I think. I also have read comic like tin tin but the impression "comic books is about superheroes" hard to disapear.
over approximately 70% of American comics sold in American comic shops concern superheroes.
I think the whole “go woke, get broke” part of this is only second to the fact that nothing new is getting produced. If you look at manga and anime, every season there is something new coming out. Marvel and DC are relying on characters that are decades old to keep them afloat.
Exactly, majority of the people in my country who love comics are into manga and anime more because they find them better, and this became so even before the woke, sjw bullshit began.
I have to say, when they say 'but comics have ALWAYS been woke' it's true. But the woke aspect - the representation - was written well and NOT obsessive. I'll explain. When a comic "Goes woke" and obsesses over representation, the result is bad, right? Cause the writer's obsession made him neglect writing. He's bad at writing characters, including their diversity aspect. Really, these 'woke' writers often use old stereotypes and they are less 'Going woke' really means 'try hard'. Shit writing is the problem. Y/N?
You can't use a character for representation if you obsess so much you forget to flesh them out. They'll only represent CARDBOARD.
@@lynoluoch1891 Plus, anime and manga will pretty much do anything. There is pretty much nothing that is too taboo to do. There is something for everyone.
How much story arc can you possible still do with Superman or Batman? Sure, One Piece is still going strong, but its heading somewhere and will end.
I have been saying this for years! This is has been a bigger nail in western comics than even the SJW rhetoric. You have all these talented artists each generation, and instead of letting them go wild with their own idea, you put them in a box of someone else’s character their whole career.. western comics have always been about money in that sense never about the reader. I was lucky enough to grow up reading only manga so even the best of western comics history just feel boring and lack luster to me.
@@jaytablisi7502 If "comics have always been woke"... Why even change them?
I just want a story with moral dilemmas and a bad guy that is a little justified in his actions like magneto. Instead I get political activism. Manga tells you stories that hits you right in the feels.
Like the Chapter Black Saga.
The major problem with American comics is that nothing ever changes. No major character truly ever dies in comics, they are always brought back to life and everything returns to status quo, because DC and MARVEL at the end are just way too scared to invent new characters. How many times are we gonna get the same old Batman vs. Joker stories? The same Superman vs. Doomsday stories? It doesn't matter how much you change them, they are still the SAME CHARACTERS!!!
Manga isn't afraid to end a good run. Every major manga has a clear beginning and an end. Sure Naruto and Bleach may overstay their welcome with dozens of filler arcs, but they still tell a complete story from beginning to end. Manga creators aren't afraid to end their popular series and start a new one. JoJo's Bizarre Adventure is a great example of a story that's still ongoing for decades, but each arc with completely brand new protagonists, villains and setting. If JoJo was created as an American comics, we'd still be having the exact same stories of Jonathan Joestar fighting Dio today after 30 years.
If I want to know the ins and outs of what happened to Spiderman, I have to read 40 years of comics as well as deciding which version of Spiderman I want to read. It's just confusing. If I want to read about Son Goku, there's one clear arc from Dragon Ball to DBS. If I want to read about Izuki Midoriya, I just start from chapter 1 of My Hero Academia. There isn't an Ultimate, Spectacular, Amazing or vintage version of Midoriya each with its own stories and variations.
Oh and the art too. American comics have inferior art when it comes to depicting the flow and dynamics of action sequences. That's just the truth. There are so many DC and MARVEL comics that are obviously given to junior artists with very little experience, and it shows.
Magneto is the worst example you could throw out there. Dude is a revolutionary who wants an ethnostate for an oppressed people. They only got away with it back then; today he would be called a genocidal social justice warrior and he would be right
@@devilhunterred Even with Naruto/Bleach/One Piece there's a beginning and end to every arc/substory. There's also continuity (unless you're looking at anime with filler arcs). If Naurto learns the Rasengan in arc A, then you can expect that he will also know of it in arc B. The characters are always developing.
dogshit political opinions too
Another problem with most western comics is that they will always reset their events and bring things back to a status quo so they can milk a series ad infinitum, whereas a manga or an anime will have a clear beginning, middle, and end. This cheapens the events that happen in comics, as they can and will be overridden by some cosmic reset, which removes any dramatic impact from that story. For example, why should I care if Superman is killed-off, when we know that it's only a matter of time until they find someway to bring him back to life. Conversely, major events in manga/anime like Griffith sacrificing the Band of the Hawk, or Eren activating the Rumbling are permanent, and the effects they had on the characters and the world can still be felt until the end, and their dramatic impact stays with the viewer. This is because we know that there's nothing to reset these events, so they aren't rendered pointless. Not only that, but clear, concise story-telling like this gives the reader a reason to move on to something else. To not just get stuck watching the same story and to enjoy other stuff.
To an extent its because the big names in the manga industry haven't been around for that long. You see similar bloat in DragonBall and Naruto, now boruto I guess. I wonder if we will see the same problems long term with manga as we see in comic books.
I'm afraid that's just false. Can I bring Detective Conan to your attention? The story is barely developed after ALL this time, I can point you to many web/light novels that have no right to still be ongoing and yet they go on because someone will consume them.
The fundamental difference is that comics will also bring a story to a conclusion, but not a definitive one, never. You'll keep seeing superman until the human race goes extinct.
Comics have changed over time, I had issues reading pre 90s stories, they were nonsensical at times, or I had difficulties taking some things seriously.
But they were the product of writers who wanted to express something through the characters, and those were things not many people find contentious.
Doubts over power and the independence of the human race with God like protectors taking care of things for them.
Nice.
"Why I think trans women are equal to natural women" is a bit different.
Anime and manga are mostly products you consume. So many let you self insert and indulge in your fantasies, it's kind of amazing how varied they are. But they are still Otaku bait.
99% of them exploit and enable the self destructive lives of people who want nothing to do with the world who look for what they want from it in fictional stories.
Unless anime or manga specifically want to preach to you about something, they won't, or you won't notice.
I mean, Fate/Stay Night is such a powerful critique of heroism and idealism, while indirectly touching on the negatives of altruism, but you won't be bothered by it unless you're like Shirou.
Instead, modern bad comics are relevant to current events, wishes of people, and so it's no surprise if people don't want to hear it. You can't escape the messages and that's annoying.
@@BygoneT I'm going to argue that Detective Conan is meant to be an episodic series with no overarching plot. Aoyama just needed a flimsy setup for having a super smart kid detective and has been trying to let the Black Organization plot die quietly in the background for over a decade. Or maybe it was shoved into the background once the series' longevity was guaranteed and there was no longer a need for an emergency "End of Story" button. It's an excuse to delve into murder-mystery-of-the-week.
Not everyone is going to like that, especially manga readers more used to serials than episodic series, but it works well for what it tries to be. And like you said, as long as people like me are willing to buy it there's no real incentive to change the formula and wrap up the plot.
@@shawnjavery I doubt it. A lot of stories have do the "a later generation inherits the OG generation" plot (jojo, boruto, M.A.R., prince of tennis, negima, technically yashahime, ect) and while it does gain traction every now and again, the fact that there are so many stories and so many genres overall, there is minimal risk of the same problem of stale recycling that marvel and dc are suffering from right now.
It could happen, but considering how manga operates, it's very unlikely.
@@vla1ne I think it's important to note the difference between the manga industry and the anime industry. Anime is more main stream, but it also determines the type of people who join the manga industry, which affects future manga artists.
It's on the anime side that I worry things are going that way, since it seems like there are a lot of brands that have been solidified into being too big to fail in a way. A lot of the brands people recognize from anime is on the older side, there are big hits now and then, demon slayer certainly comes to mind, but a lot of the series people recognize are not new things.
Forgot to mention a huge problem that is killing the reader base of comics is that it’s not very friendly for old fans and young potential fans to keep reading or join in. Old fans get tired of the same stories and the same fake outs and reboots. Stories go nowhere in the big scheme of things. As for young potential fans it’s extremely unfriendly to get into something that requires years of research in order to get up to date in the current stories of both a single franchise and the multiverse it shares. All for mere details that may or may not be retconned anyway, since in comics if the big changes and development didn’t happened during your origin story chances are they won’t stick anyway.
That's a reason I preferred manga even before woke comics took over. Because I didn't have to go through a a thousand guides just to know what to read next
i mean wouldn't want the sweet sweet status quo to get ruined right?
the editorial couldn't bear it
"Stop laughing, manga!"
-Some modern comic pro, probably.
Manga: chad no
“Imagine pretending to be LTPTQ+sauce when I’ve always had Yuri and BL Genres.”
- Manga
@@Snakedude4life dude they've had those comics way before any of this exploded and you're right even the creator of JoJo is gay and people tend to forget this.
@@Snakedude4life Yuri genre became a things since 70s in a culture that super conservative.
"Pro"
The reason ? Generally we have a story about a world, characters and their struggling to achieve their goals. On the other side, tons of characters some are iconic, but they're re-written for political purposes or fear to try anything new. It's all about the same stories. We don't have a hero with HIS particular story.
Drawing from this point, American comics characters have been rewritten to be subservient to the characters in superhero movies. So much so that if a capesh!t movie fails, it has the potential to kill the comic book series.
Manga characters coexist with their anime adaptations in a healthy way which sustains the continued life of both mediums. The vision of the mangaka remains distinct enough from the anime to keep their material engaging, while also giving the anime enough structure to start off fully developed and realized.
Now that I think of it you are right, in Manga usually everything from the characters, the world, the powers. All is tailored to the story. Comics are trying to change their world and characters to fit certain message. But it doesn't work as most modern real life problems they try to fit into the comic world are easily fixed. How a X-MEN or superman comic is going to fit a climate change narrative when their respective world's are filled with reality benders, fusion Reactors, alien technology, etc. Climate change would be solved like in 5 seconds.
@@j.d.1709 Tell that to Promised Neverland. Also stop talking out of your ass.
@@j.d.1709
''Manga characters coexist with their anime adaptations in a healthy way which sustains the continued life of both mediums. The vision of the mangaka remains distinct enough from the anime''
anime typically just follows the events of the manga but with additions to it. Dont really see how it's distinct like say the mcu versus the comics.
Mcu does whatever unrelated to the comics like hela in the comics was not odin's child but rather loki's. anime keeps character relations mostly consistent from it's source material
@@bob74h67 You make a good point. As far as character correspondence goes, little changes between manga and anime.
I am also thinking about blocking, pacing, dialogue, etc. Record of Ragnarok comes to mind as an anime that butchers all the positives of the manga in these aspects, if you want to look at a bad anime-manga correspondence.
American Comics: Forgets to tell great stories, and preaches on how I'm evil because I just happened to be born male, focuses on "diversity" which is half baked and serves to get virtue points etc.
Manga: Tells amazing stories with different genres, focuses on story first(for the most part), whatever politics there is in the story is told with subtlety and maturity and not bashing me over the head. Diverse characters are actually memorable/used well and their personality is more than just " *I'm insert sexuality/minority group here* "
Was at a comic shop the other day and I saw Berserk on the shelf and picked it up, because you constantly attest to its quality.
It’s good. Read it.
It's disappointing, and that's a massive understatement. I collected comics for almost 2 decades and it's gotten to the point that I only read Manga now. I didn't start reading comics to be preached at or called names, it was an escape from the stress of real life. Now comics want to guilt you and rub your face in all that stressful shit that we were trying to get a break from. It's no longer enjoyable. At all.
Its just that Japanese creators know that its an honor for them to be able to tell their story and they know that their fanbase is the reason why they were even allowed to get that far.
They have a story to tell and appreciate those who want to listen to it unlike western comic authors who instead attempt to push agendas without much disguise and despise anyone who dare to actually read their work.
While Japan is a country that is stuck in the past on many issues its also one that didn't forget the important things.
Japan was progressive way before any other country. At least, in terms of art and literature and specifically, mangas.
Thing is you got political mangas and some are more in your face than others. But the market isn't saturated with the exact same message over and over. The comic industry is dead set on "politically correct superheroes with flowchart agendas". So much that they are singlehandedly destroying the entire market and opportunities for artists that have something cool and unique to show.
Mainstream comics need to die and Indie authors need to rise. Otherwise the entire industry is going to do worse than a crash.
@@yusukeelric Yeah but Japan has a whole different set of political/social issues than the west.
Its a lot more respectable from an outside view than hamfisted "racism bad" because americans literally have nothing worse to worry about than twitter hate.
When I think social commentary in manga my mind goes to either bullying in school, overworked salarymen and other things that stem from Japans idolization of normality and their rejection of those who are in anyway different.
You have a good point though that when people think comics they just think hero stuff with the same 2 franchises in various iterations.
If comics were as varied as manga with just a different more western artstyle then they would likely be more appealing.
@@luminous3558 Comics are really varied when you really get in to it. If you get out of the Marvel and DC pipeline and go to something like Vertigo or Dark Horse (just as an example) you can find all sorts different comics that tackles a lot of different issues. Not to speak of the indie scene that has literally blown up in the past years due to Marvel and DC's shenanigans.
@@llewliet4021 No, they just aped what France and Belgium did in the 1920's. Without those two countries, the comics industry would have flatlined long ago.
"Comics are now for everyone" when weren't they? Now they are for no one.
No one that would actually buy them anyway
When something tries to appeal to everyone, it wins over no one.
I guess there was some invisible none existent dude standing in front of the comics shelves at the shops stopping these people buying them..?
@@yusukeelric yup let go back to the time it was only appealing to white men.
Sorry but comics are still selling..these videos are nothing more than copium for the fact that super heroes in other medium are initiating sales for comic, another thing is there are other methods of buying comic other than comic stores..like buying online and reading online via paid subscription.
Everyone here is just salty over the "politics" when it isn't the politics but the kind of politics a particular demograph want..comics has always been political depending on the climate so crying over it now is silly and shallow.
"If you don't like my politics don't buy my book"
*Reading Manga* Who said i need your books
Perfect answer!
Berserk fans. You have my condolences. I never got to read the manga because I'm lazy. I'm sorry for your loss and my prayers go out to the mangaka's family
The day you decide to take a peek at it...enjoy it man, even if u read only 1 page😅
I don’t get it… ik berserk mangaka passed… is that what this means?
@@prappies3 the author passed away yes, just last year
Bro, just read it online, theres plenty of sites to do it
I heard the mc got cucked tho, my heart couldn’t take that honestly
Very basically, straightly & narrowly explained: Manga thrives because it’s a consistent, concise story, every time. It follows a very specific vision, with the authors actively interacting with their masses. Comics? Comics are corporate now. They have shareholders making judgements on their IP. They’re being monetized in such a way that is disrespectful to the medium it’s part of. They have authors switched who, depending on their views of the comic, may absolutely ruin people’s investments. There’s no point in wasting your time and money on something that won’t matter in a year or two.
There are also genuine stakes in manga for the most part. Characters can die and stay dead, there can be permanent consequences to the world or universe - because it is all not going to be reset back to zero in six months when the new artist and writer comes on board.
Until manga ends and then it always ends like shit kek
To be fair manga and anime is also pretty corporate, and that corporate aspect has ruined some IPs in the past (looking at Bleach). But at least the japanese have some unwritten rules about respecting their customers above all else and not using another person's creation to push some agenda.
@@inendlesspain4724
That unwritten rule is called greed. Which apparently turns out to be a lot better than the crazy shit the west has been getting up to lately.
@@inendlesspain4724 The big difference is likely that the corporate aspect of the manga industry built itself around having a variety of IPs associated with the magazines, whereas the american market is primarily focused around the two big publishers with massive singular IPs (Marvel and DC).
It's a simple answer Manga authors know who their audience is and they pander to it, they give you interesting stories with hot girls and risky themes, and they don't shame their audience for liking what they like, manga and anime for life!
Well said.
You know it's bad when a manga about a guy dying and being reincarnated into a hot spring in another world sells more than your comic book.
Hot girls and hot guys :D Manga/anime has both and one of my fav characters in action mangas is PuriPuri Prisoner from OP :D It is a so cool and well developed character :D Even his relationship wwith the other prisoners are so good and funny but not cringe funny but likeable funny :)
@@Rahnonymous there's also the one where he's reincarnated into a vending machine and I'm sure that one has also sold more books than any of these losers
@@kitana5583 Haven't heard of that one. What's the name of it?
I feel why manga is thriving...
Is because Japanese people aren't affected by twitter
I think it's because American comics are lessening in quality while manga explore a wider range of stories and characters. Nobody wants to read the same story over and over with different names of character but surprisingly, people will watch movies that just recycle the same characters.
It's also because manga is a single continuity. Character development is solid, and the best manga go deeper than just exploring archetypes.
And agenda, I'm tired of wokeness in everything, gender and race swap, and while we are at that make them gay as well!
Yeah, manga seems to come in all genres, while American comics are almost exclusively "superhero" stories. Narrow range.
Lol. This makes me think of that scene in Futurama.
Don't you see? People don't want anything original. They want to see the same thing over and over again.
Whach you talkin bout Fry?
That's exactly what it is!
"There is no planet B"
Literally in a comic book about the guy that was sent from outer space planet A to a solar system's planet B. Should've called it "planet C". Or "planet D" considering Martian Manhunter.
What pisses me off as well is that the Justice League literally has machines that can produce infinite energy. Energy issues and pollution should not exist in that universe
Or if only there were a super being(s) that could literally solve such problems by themselves...
In DC an alien like, Superman or Martian Manhunter, comes to Earth he gains superpowers. In Marvel when Earthbased characters are able to go into space and still beat up everyone.
That's some bad writing. They never consider ramifications of their stories.
@@docsavage8640 no? Because it’s not written in the comic that’s an alternate cover that’s collectable it’s not something cannon in the story? Because they all know there is a planet b in the dc universe
You will never care about someone else's creation the same way you will care about your own. That is the difference between comics and manga.
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here.
@@rooracleaf561 Someone else made superman, but anyone who writes for DC can write a superman story of their own, and do whatever they want even if it sucks ass, while a manga creator is the ONLY person that writes their own story, others can write spin offs or whatever, but the original is only written by the creator of the characters and the world
@@FBBReppCloud But there are writers that love the heroes they write. Having respect for the character and continuing the story of the previous writer shows more love for a character than having one sole writer with one vision of the character. If no one ever wrote Spiderman after Ditko we'd still have that weird self insert depressing character instead of the character we have today.
@@rooracleaf561 That's not what he said, he said manga writers built their concept and crafted their universe from absolutly nothing, the whole thing is 100% them, it seems more authentic. And the fact that in mangas there is actually only one story, one beginning and one end like in real life make it harder for them to neglect the elements they include.
Superman can be wrote by anyone, so the lack of fidelity with the character is higher, which make it harder to connect. Comics are basically of "what if [include random heroes] was etc... in an alternate universe". You don't have an actual writer who has authority about every events.
@@rooracleaf561 SO the new versions of the Justice League or any remake of classic superheroes aren't self inserts? The new superman got made Bi just so he could date a self insert of the writer/artist (whichever one has the pink hair lol idk), the little fat girl from I am Not Starfire? another self insert, all the new comic book writers are self inserting into every story they possibly can, alot of them are also LGBTQ or SJW's or whatever so of course they gotta push the agenda on people who dont and will never care
Thing i want to say about comics is that comics by and large do seem to have a beginning, no clear ending and a lot of stories or factoids of a character are retconed or completely ignored. Also, for me at least it’s difficult to keep up with comics unless it’s in volumes/comic novels form rather than individual issues
I admire Japanese artists for learning from others' mistakes. They see the West relentlessly destroying itself and choose to keep their ways.
I learned several things during the manga Bakuman (a manga about how manga is made by the creator of death note)
But some these lessons were from other manga the characters read themselves in Baku man
1: if your gonna fail, fail falling forwards that way you never stop fighting even if you die, burn yourself into ash!
(Slam dunk)
2: always treat others in your profession as your superiors even if their younger and more talented cause there is something you can always learn from them. no matter their age or level of experience.
3: some Manga only sees the light of the west if it successfully survives the Japanese polls that are released weekly.
(If you ever read shouen jump monthly releases you’lll know what I’m talking about.)
It also helps that manga was already targeted towards a much wider audience
Gundam says old school comics does diversity well but even back then manga beats it you have manga targeted from middle aged woman too children
Japan doesn't really learn from there mistakes its more off a case of manga from the very beginning was a creative outlet that wants to tell interesting stories that's it
This is why the Japanese laugh at the West to them the West has fallen and I don't blame them.
@@mikecampos1193 I don't think they're laughing so much as scratching their heads in disbelief. They've been major consumers of Western media and culture since the end of the war and now they're looking at it in bewilderment. The strangest thing about it is that in many ways they've become the last remnant of what our entertainment culture USED to be. Ironic.
@@mikecampos1193 the whole East tbh. My country and other countries blocked a marvel movie because we don’t support the propaganda of 🌈 which triggered the actress Angelina Jolie. The west has been so political it’s actually insane to us. They repeat old movies/shows/comics and add an alphabetics person to support their agendas.
"Words aren't violence. Violence is violence."
As hurtful as it may sound, most of those people have never been punched in the face, it shows, and they need to be punched in the face. Not beaten badly, just one or two good punches to the face. Would definitely help them understand what they're saying.
I agree and disagree simultaneously. They need to be beaten badly. Then and only then will they understand reality when their fantasy world comes violently crashing down around them. At any rate you still make an excellent point.
You have to live in a pretty easy life style, in a safe enough country, without fear of not being able to feed yourself or having some bombs dropped on your head or getting shanked over your shoes to say something as stupid as words can be violent. Some people in some other parts of the world knows actual real violence on the daily that us westerners cannot even start to imagine. It's a total lack of respect and hindsight to the realities of the world to say something like this. They don't need to be punched in the face or something, they need to be dropped in some 3rd world countries somewhere. They would learn the real definition of violence then.
@@MrHarrystank Spoken like a real man!! I salute you sir. 👏👏💯👍
I've never seen a word punch someone. How are they wrong?
Pretty much. I still find it funny that I only ever got beat up for being a nerd and never for being a cocksucker.
Starting with the fact that in manga there are well-defined genres for the different types of themes / stories / characters, one can see that the Japanese have a clear idea of how to address/target different audiences without boxing them into any one group.
Kodomo Manga: Comics for little kids
Shōnen Manga: Comics for young teenage boys
Shōjo Manga: Comics for young teenage girls
Seinen Manga: Comics for young adult males
Seijin Manga: Adult comics for males
Redisu (Lady’s) Manga: Comics for young adult females
Dōjinshi Manga: Comic publication that’s written by and for amateurs. Often created for self-promotion
Yonkoma Manga: Four-panel comics (usually published in newspapers)
Gekiga Manga: Comics focusing on serious topics geared toward mature audiences
Yaoi Manga: Or "Boys-love" focusing on male characters involved in a romantic relationship.
Forgot Yuri Manga and HOLY SHIT THERE ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MANY! Like Yuri Mangas are HUGE in number...and god damn they are usally good.
I think part of the reason why comic book industry is falling apart is the story. its getting complicated over time. Comic books story oftenly is just a constan state of to be continues, manga in other hand has genuine goal and ending. Manga also has alot of moment that make you feel uplifted, make you laugh, and give the reader a positive vibes. Moments like that is few in between in comics.
This was perfectly said, With a constant reboot it gets tiring and dragged on. And shit needs to ends, even if you don’t want to
Manga: Exists to tell a well crafted story with relatable characters. (Most of the time)
Western Comics: Exists to pander a left leaning political message and/or virtue signal to the audience at the expense of the story. (Which often isn’t very good to begin with)
Also the people their pandering to are less likely to but said product.
Not always
That does not even mean most manga is good. Most are in fact terrible. But there are so many of them.
American, non Western. There are some other Western countries that are still producing (some) nice comics (Italy and France, for the little I know). Even very political ones try not to be so much forced.
@@barrankobama4840 THANK YOU. These sweeping statements ignore the great comics coming from Europe
"Pandering to a nonexistent audience," pretty much sums up the modern comic book industry.
Gundam's Recommendations he casually gave us at the End aint bad, but i cant help but notice it's all fight-filled Battle-Shonen. I mean, if one limits himself to just that, one misses out hard. Theres amazing Manga 'just' about opening a Restaurant, playing a video-game or raising an unusual Pet. Manga aint just Battles, so i hopüe Gundam widens his Horizon.
So when she said " don't buy my book" then it was challenge accepted, well what did she think would happen, honestly there's more of us than them.
🤣🤣👍🤣.
Dont purchase my awful shite!!🧐🤔
Hmmmm. Dont spend time or money on crap?
Challenge Accepted!!
I don’t know about you, but I have the slight suspicion that outright insulting potential customers when you are far from the only player in the market and your products are subpar isn’t exactly a good business tactic.
@@no_4259 probably thought that her wokites would gladly pick up the slack in the sales dept, but i wonders if they can read and not just "ooohh the pretty colours"!
@@no_4259 *strokes beard in deep thought* you know, you might be onto something there ;) lol
Virgin Kelly Sue:
-Bitch and moans
-Her stories absolutely suck
-Has weird hair
-Thats it
CHAD KENTARO MIURA:
-Filthy Frank's older cousin, i guess.
-Best writer of all time
-Manga version of Nietsche
-Theres more.
The things is, there are a lot of good comic books, but notice how almost none of them are from the past 5 years. It’s sad to see that an industry that once was so good and was the ultimate joy for a lot of kids is slowly going to shit.
there r good english/western webcomics that arent that old (?)
not sure how many there r compared to manga or manhwas tho
I guess you never tried to search for modern western comics then if you made that statement.
When Miura passed I was holding back tears. Then my wife saw my face and by her asking what's wrong, caused the dam to burst.
Can't say I will shed one tear if Marvel and DC collapse. They hired activists that became gatekeepers, and now we can't have nice things.
Literally exactly how it happened to me as well man, wife was pretty upset as well but held it together for me. We have matching brand tats so she completely understood.
Yeah not getting Miura's Berserk ending is heart breaking...I fear that Togashi will suffer a similar fate and Hunter x Hunter may never get finished by him....
The Epic that is Berserk will never be genuinely completed and that makes me sad. It’s okay to cry 😢
@@JayShady84 DONT SAY THAT
I shed a tear when Stan Lee died. Maybe I'd be sad if Frank Miller or Rob Liefeld pass away. But if anyone left of Alan Moore dies, I will simply laugh.
Guts from berserk has teached me to never give up, even if you've been reduced to less than a maggot, continue struggling, even if you die, die struggling, struggle against destiny, and as Erwin from Attack on Titan has teached me, FIGHT, AS A REBELLION AGAINST THIS CRUEL AND UNCARING WORLD, FIGHT
And superman son has teached you that if something is wrong and you have the power to change it you should go and protesta lmao
Teached by a drawing lol
@@liteton dumbass forgets that storytelling has been with humanity since the dawn of mankind
Why you gotta bring up Erwin I'm gonna cry now
lol
What I dislike about comics are the fact that they keep rebooting original creations to the point that you have no clue as to what the main storyline is anymore since its almost like every creator just makes an "alternate dimension version" of a character. Whereas in mangas they usually stick to just one storyline that anyone can follow and appreciate and they actually have an ending to their story.
Yeah, u dont see 10 authors writing and drawing gantz
Swear in American comics every issue has a new artist or writer
Wasn’t there like 20 separate batman series last year ? That’s the issue really, it’s much less clear on where to start with a popular character in comparison to the most popular manga characters where 9/10 times it’ll simply be “volume 1” not “volume 1 but not the 20 other volume 1s of the last 2 years...”
there was one time I said something about batman because I saw a random screenshot from the comic, I got at least 10 people replying about timeline stuff and one if then made an entire thesis
i love when a managaka ends one series and starts another and makes cameos to the last series they made like small winks, i dislike how its done with Naruto/Buroto though, but how Suzuka/Kimi no Iru machi got tied together where very pleasant. I have not decided regarding the new series from Kubo Tite yet though.
I find it so hilarious how Sailor Moon, a manga that's over TWENTY years old, has better representation than what the modern industry is able to put out. And u know why? It's cuz the author didn't focus on making their gender and sexuality their only personality trait. All that stuff about characters being lesbian and trans is all a second hand fact.
In short, the author followed in the footsteps of Stan Lee
Thats probably because you havent read any good comic and now formulating your opinion around because of videos like these
@@constant759 It is mostly pointed towards DC and Marvel. If you're talking about independent ones, there's probably a lot
@@pauloazuela8488 no im referring to some good dc comics like all star superman and kingdom come, the problem is that sometimes terrible write make a terrible comic and the entire character gets hated for it, superman for instance
@@constant759 yeah that's really unfortunate
@@dickus3987 yeah
Comics, manga or similar entertainments are all a way of escaping from the reality for an amount of time and relax and have fun. With the comics focusing on the matters of the real world it doesn't feel like an escape anymore. It feels like you're reading some tweet or some article. On the other hand manga is always improving and they have unique plots that let you really enjoy it.
I think it’s more because of syndication. Manga have have a clear starting and ending point because the stories are usually made with an ending in mind which makes the easier to get into. Comic books however usually have lots of complicated lore made more complicated by reboots, revivals, and different writer’s making it unappealing for potential knew fans who don’t know where to begin. When someone decides to go read one piece they just go pick up the first value without much thought but if you want to start reading Batman comics you have to do research to find out where to start.
Thats because characters like batman or superman are not creator owned so every once in a while some terrible writer in dc manages to get their hands on them and make a terrible story and then the characters as a whole get hated for it
Yup. I think it’s the syndication and the diversity in story telling
Super hero’s are a niche genre in the grand scheme of everything you regularly see in the East
"Manga have have a clear starting and ending point because the stories are usually made with an ending in mind" - this is such a hilarious take, that nobody who actually reads manga would ever say. It's the opposite - if you want conclusion, read comics, if you are there just for the ride, read manga.
@@jan.k8913 everyone says that lmao
@@jan.k8913 yes
Manga is creative and fun. It often tells over the top stories without worrying about offending anyone and is just a great way to escape everyday life. Comics are being increasingly used to put out a narrative that overtakes the fun and becomes the central plot. The world is already bad enough without people bringing their problems into other peoples means of escaping reality for a while. The whole point of reading a comic or manga is just to relax and inject a little happiness into life, not wave the doom and gloom in our faces. Comic writers have forgotten that, and so comics aren’t doing so well.
@@bm3350 yeah, like most of us manga readers are racist and sexist, we are not if anything the people saying the shit online are discriminating against us, the majority this is against democratic majoritarian principles, and we are clearly not racist, most people arent hearing weebs complain that the cool black man who acts as a mentor in i forgot the show about shounen music fighting shit(someone tell him the title) is black, we just chill friking around
@@Cecilia-ky3uw cecilia idk what u talkin about to be honest but you got it tho
@@Cecilia-ky3uw Takt op Destiny?
@@ryanrenolds3974 yes
True
That "bi now, gay later" clip cracked me up. In 10th grade, a childhood friend came out to me as bi. He dated both in highschool. In an interview with Billboard Magazine, he said he came out as either gay or queer at that time (can't remember which).
Why do you care about how someone comes to terms with their sexuality? Is it confusing or are you confused.
@@johnpatron8436 to understand, you must grow a funny bone.
Were they a musician?
@@johnpatron8436 I think your confused
@@johnpatron8436 As a Bi person, i find that statement to be rather.. offensive. "Bi now gay later." Like no, i am Bi. I am not Gay. My sexual nature is not worth Less, nor should it be viewd as me not understanding myself.
Honestly, I’ve seen this argument that comics are losing to manga because “oh the wokeness” so many times and I think it’s a shallow, reactionary take.
In reality, manga was always destined to outperform comics as it became more accessible. In America, there are two major comic companies: Marvel and DC. Both of these companies primarily produce superhero comics with long, interconnected continuities. While this makes for some fun stories, it appeals to a limited audience and it’s difficult to adopt later even within that limited audience. Manga, on the other hand, has much more variety to choose from. Different manga continuities typically don’t connect, making all of these stories isolated and easy to get invested in. Additionally, manga comes in any genre you can think of and appeals to a lot of different audiences. This is why manga is currently growing in popularity while comics are stagnating.
Yeah. Low genre variety and no endings really stops me from reading comics.
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Agreed. The sole focus on the wokeness and the bullet point mockery of SJW movements was a huge turnoff for me. It was kind of obvious that the dude wasn't going to provide a fair, grounded take. I don't like wokeness being shoved down my throat either but I don't want to fall to their level and pin it all on a binary strawman we can blame.
err..why you put just DC and Marvel only?i mean, i like Kick A$$ but it was not as hit as they want it
@@pp-vf8ls because they’re by far the most dominant comic book publishers in America. They make up ~60% of the market by themselves.
Big reason why I abandoned comics is that I just couldn’t stand the same old characters going through the motions year after year. Mainstream comics lack a sense of finality because they just keen going on and on. While I’m not a huge manga guy, at least there are many manga that know when to end. You get to enjoy a story with a conclusion, unlike mainstream Western comics.
thing is: most people don't want their favorite heroes to end. Theres a reason why Spider-Man, Batman, Superman and the others have stayed relevant for over 50 years and are loved by 3 generations. And if you read the comics of the main heroes, they are pretty much the only characters keeping the comics of their company alive.
If you’re looking for a comic with an actual ending I would recommend the invincible comics. I think I ended up reading all of it in like 3 days and there’s the show on Amazon as well. I will say the drawing is a bit rough at the start but gets so much better as it goes on.
They just keep on rewriting the same characters. What happened to the days of writing new characters? That's what turned me off about comics.
@@MyLife-og2kr new characters don't sell as much. to this day, the characters from the 60s dominate comicbook sales. People dont give a crap about the new characters. The ONLY next gen character that took off was Miles Morales, everything else went to shit and people returned to the OG heroes
When talking about this I think it‘s important to keep in mind that an overwhelming part of people who identifiy as LGBT didn‘t ask or don’t care for the clumsily handed inclusion. Also, there are still great comics not published by DC or Marvel and boy, there sure is a whole bunch of horrible Manga out there.
Cause there's lot of mangas out there, many individual creators.
Manga market is by far...brutal than comic.
Many Mangas we see today is the one who fought against other mangas and emerge victory.
Unlike Comic who use series name for staring selling.
Manga is nobody from Zero.
i've never been able to get into western comics, but there's plenty of LGBT manga too.
@@muslimmetalman Manga shows LGBT as the part of character and story.
but comic just horribly shows how righteous the LGBT is and condemned other who does not side with them.
@@hidefreek6905 sounds like bible stories for kids
Everything must be a mechanism for the message and there can be no escape from the message. Critical Drinker nails that point about modern leftoid tactics. So as Razorfist says about fans needing to gatekeep using Warhammer and 40k as an example I think it's fair to say the same thing happened but much earlier with American comics. So much like 40k fans are fucking off to Battletech so American comic books fans are seeking greener pastures in the land of exaggerated human eyes.
Only comic book I ever bought was a couple of Spawn comics so I don't have no skin in this game but it always pisses me off when a loyal fan base gets shat on by corporate interests. Gatekeep the lore, gatekeep newbies, gatekeep the BOD.
"Mechanism" is a very kind way to say "Bandwagon", sir.
Historically being a gatekeeper was a noble profession for a man to have. We need to bring it back into style.
Well spoken.
Anyone who stands besides me is my brother.
Please don't call them left... Left politics are about improving the life of lower class citizens. Woke is a cultural phenomenon about inclusion and people with a victim complex connecting. It has nothing to do with politics, its a trend like goth or emo. People with hurt feelings indulge in self-pity trying to find like minded people.
Its a shame they are calling themselves political. And we shouldnt do them the favor and grant them that ground either.
Annoying AF, if you ask me.
@@McSozialphobie I differentiated by saying leftoid, like Styx does. And while I agree with the sentiment it's a bit of false dichotmny to say left politics are about improving the lot of the lower classes as it paints right V left in a false light.
I'm all about minimising the state so that meritocracy can let anyone with skill rise regardless of their station/creed/race/ethos etc; in life. And I'm pretty far removed from the kind of Kensonian economics that even classical liberals espouse so again. Agree with the sentiment but I give a shit about lower class citizens and I associate more as a right winger than I do a left winger.
I never read manga until last year, when I saw some panels from Uzumaki online. It looked so bizarre, I just had to buy the hardcover edition. Now Junji Ito is one of my favorite authors and I'm discovering more stories like Goodnight PunPun from Inio Asano.
The amount of themes and genres you can find in manga is so insane, I completely understand manga selling really big if you have something for everyone.
Holy shit. Goodnight Pun Pun is one of your gateway mangas? I hope you got through it well. I sure didn't.
Oyasumi pun pun traumatised me and it one of your firsts? God damn brutha😔
I was really into comics, especially the Uncanny X-Men, in the early and mid-90's as a kid. I bought both of the Marvel Swimsuit issues, which I still have. I remember seeing the picture of Psylocke leaning over when I was young and going, "yup, she's hot. I want to grow up to look like her". I want my comic book characters, male and female, to be hot. If I want to see "normal" I'll just leave the house.
early to mid 90s was the pinnacle of the comic industry...there were a few other decent eras...but nothing matched those...early 2000s was to bad as well...
Those swimsuit issues were the best. 😎
But thats just, like, your opinion, right? I want good story over soft core.
@@johnpatron8436 I think everyone does, and we used to get great stories with sexy characters all the time, in both comics and video games-that was the norm, quite frankly. But, let’s be honest, here. Both industries used to know who their primary demographic was: men. It was only once the feminists and other activists wormed their way in, that we decided that beautiful women and strong men were “problematic.”
@@johnpatron8436 Berserk and Gantz have both hehehe
My sister a huge fan of DC comics and could name every character, memorize all their stories, goes deep into character lore and subtle theories...have given up on the comic book industry...and she was suppose to be the target audience 🤣🤣🤣
@Sonic Hedgehog girls also read comics mate, do you know sailor moon and inuyasha are from like the 90?
@@ipanesm Sailor Moon and InuYasha are Japanese Comics(Manga) not American Comics like Superman.
@@Inkrack ive read thousands of mangas manwhas and sadly enough also manhuas, they might have differences but at the core they are the same, visual drawings history draven book. dont be pedantic
@@Goosewitdajuice317 right back at ya.
you not only not got the point of my comment, also made an unfit assestment.
first, i stand by what i said. the same way american movies and asian movies are both story driven audiovisual, the books are also story driven visual drawings. in the core they are the same, the style they use doesnt take them away from what they are.
and second. my point is that its not that girls arent interested, but that the medium didnt made any for them. and as an example i took two very popular female oriented books from asia.
@@ipanesm Don't get me wrong, they do have some core, but even then you still have many choices between multiple genre.
For example, there's MANY ISEKAI, but you can find a good one between hot garbage. And even if you don't want to read isekai, you can read something else. Manhw or manhua for example, is always about cultivation, but you can find a good one between the boring one because wider choice. They even have cultivation story that focus on being doctor instead of fighting.
My gf likes looking at alot of independent western comics, and as far as a realistic solution goes I think this is probably the best place to go. Western comic readers need to try to support more independent comics, since they seem to have more competency in telling a good story - doing that is a whole other issue though. Just search and share good independent comics, and hopefully a new ecosystem of better comics can be built
any recommendation please?
Stray dogs
The good Asian
Cloaked
Last flight out
Lucky devil
Man goat & the bunny man
God country
The department of truth
Ranger stranger
Radio apocalypse
Eat the rich
Barbaric
The recount
We live
Let me know if you need more
@@JohnSmith-tc9ms Just read the endless backlog of content that's out there. I have two 500+ page omnibuses of Savage Sword of Conan, and there's 20 more volumes of the stuff. You could spend an entire year reading nothing but Conan and still not be finished with the various comics published for him over the years, from the Chronicles of Conan, Chronicles of King Conan, to Savage Sword, to the various miniseries, to the spin off Red Sonja. It's nearly bottomless.
Dynamite has some really good stuff Vampirella (how ever you spell the shit) is getting a resurgence, red Sonja is still killing it as well. The narrative that western comics are dying because political correctness is propaganda by the anime kids and people who don’t read comics.
DC has a very amazing black label sub brand with adult content and marvel has been putting out heat (especially with daredevil) all these indies are fantastic. I love manga but 90% of its market in the states is shonen and every story in that genre is the same shit over and over again. Which is why I find the comments on this video funny because it comes from people who don’t read comics.
Ablaze has a very good Conan comic, I think it’s adapted straight from Robert E. Waydes books.
Love and Rockets is a great alt comic. Been around since 1982 and tackles all these issues SJWs claim interest in with actually good writing.
As a manga reader I used to chat with my friends on how I wish manga became more famous. I think I got my wish now!!😂
I feel sad for them honestly. The only defining feature they want from a character is race, gender and sexuality. There's more to a person than that.
Manga on the other hand even the harem comedy characters have development.
There really isn't more to these people. Ever talked to them? Their pronouns & what gets them off is as deep as there is to explore with them
The character development was inside our hearts the whole time!
Modern day comic book characters have the depth of a drop of water, meanwhile manga characters like Guts and Ken Kaneki have the depth of the Marianas Trench in comparison
The 100 girlfriends that really really love me is a hilarious masterpiece
maybe the character development in harem comedy characters were the friends we made along the way
Comics have been stretching their talent and ideas (these days known as IP) to reach out and out to markets beyond the initial creators' scope of imagination. Manga is great because it's usually only ever ONE PERSON making the story. They either finish their story or they don't. Nothing ever gets the chance to be "updated for a greater audience" but the whole product gets to be consumed as intended and critiques accordingly.
Manga creators have lots of assistants who in many cases take on a lot of the work. Manga companies just don't credit the assistants because they fetishize the "sole creator" image. The company filters titles they don't have room pretty ruthlessly. Manga creators talk all the time about how time constraints cripple their stories.
@@johnpatron8436 but at least with manga when the guy on top is done, it’s done. Whenever I tried to get into comics different runs are too jarring a change that it’s no longer the same story and makes me lose interest
Man, I remember using up all of my allowance to buy DC Dark Knight and the Batman Detective comics. I kinda dropped out of comics, but in recent years I started to look at them again to introduce my kids to that world, but boy was it trash. Then my daughter told me about Manga and Anime, and i started watching and reading some with her, and was blown away by the storytelling and art. At my house since then, the only entertainment books we give them money for is Manga, and when that smug comic writer said if i didn't like her politics, don't buy her books, well that's exactly what I did, or didn't. Doubled down and got them boxed Manga sets for Christmas, bought the collectibles, etc. So, these comic writers have to realize they aren't only pissing off long time fans, but also parents who decide what can and can't be bought buy their kids, aka the next generation of fans.
tell ur kids to give "Yotsuba!" (Or Yotsubato! in Japanese) a read then, it's so awesome for all ages and such a lovable slice of life story that takes anyone back to the joys of being a kid. And it's rly funny lol. Even the catch phrase says "everyday is the bestday".
Another one i'd recommend is "Spy X Family" it's sooo funny and creative, abt a family who are all hiding secrets from each other yet go on their daily lives through shenanigans and missions whilst trying to be a functional family lol.
some other ones are
- Sakamoto days (a dude who used to be an assassin but is now a family man and got fat lol)
- Arte (renaissance period yet very lovable and interesting)
- Beck (abt rising to fame through rock)
- Kingdom (the reunification of china)
- the rain of teardrops and serenade (time travel, historical, romance very heart warming)
- The girl from the other side (mystery, drama, made me cry lol)
- Battle Angel Alita (i think you've heard of this one)
- initial D (street racing)
i would put more but i forgot many lol
If you want superhero genre. My hero Academia is amazing. There’s 5 seasons out right now and the manga seems to be ending in about a year.
I suggest Kamen America if you looking for something. (Iconic Comics)
I started getting into manga too. I thought i would hate it. But dear god its amazing. Beautiful panels from ome punch man. Amazing fights from my hero academia's war arc that just look like fights while being just pictures. And the beauty of bezerk is just draw dropping. How much time went into each and every panel
the fact that you could say “dragon ball is better written than most marvel comics” and be right is wild 😭
I've never was a manga reader, actually not much of areader at all lmao, but yesterday i read Vinnland saga and i got strangely hooked and spent the whole day reading the thing untill chapter 70 something, i still can't believe I'm already halfway into the thing.
You picked the right manga bud!
Well while you're at it, I recommend you to read Drifters after this. And Hellsing as well.
You should read crow zero, worst , Legend of the Northern Blade, hajime no ippo, vinland saga,
After vindland read berserk, vagabond and kingdom.
Lol if you like Vinland Saga then id recommend you to read "Kingdom". Just beware first 200 chapters design werent pretty (after all it is started in 2006).
"They used to kill superheroes now they make them gay"
Isn't that the same thing? Both are guaranteed ways to kill superheroes, the first one done to characters that have no popularity, the second one done to destroy any character's popularity by forcing an unnecessary change on a character with an estabilished legacy, only for clout.
Yeah Superman isn't popular at all.
@@Skycrusher UHM, have you ever read Superman in the 90's? His comic books were in decline so they had to temporarily kill him to reinvent his formula.
Popular characters don't stay at top of the sales forever, at times people get bored with their stories and they are forced to change them, it happened to every single comic book character out there.
@@bloody4558 Hey I remember that; every once in a while Superman got killed off temporarily. 90s video games were new, flashy and exciting so they stole the spotlight from pretty much every other hobby.
@@bloody4558 yeah and it worked making them gay isn't working
@@singmysin like I said, it's a way of killing the character
What you said about platonic relationships not being a thing anymore is so true. It’s like two people can’t just be friends.
And worst part is that this it’s not just a problem in fiction anymore. It’s effecting people’s perspectives on real life relationships! A couple of guys can hardly walk into a Starbucks together without the cashier assuming their a couple. Lol! No joke. This has happened to me before and I’ve even seen it happen to some of my other friends when we were just hanging out. No such thing as having a “bro” or a “bestie” anymore, and that’s sad.
A quote on that from the author of Narnia and other great books, C.S. Lewis: “Those who cannot conceive Friendship as a substantive love but only as a disguise or elaboration of Eros betray the fact that they have never had a Friend."
Have you tried not making out with your bro at Starbucks so they don't think you're a couple?
@@iTrivyum You gotta kiss yo homie goodnight tho.
It's like everyone is so sex oriented, that they can't even conceive of spending time with someone you weren't going to have sex with, let alone caring about that person and enjoying your time with them
@@25meip I study how human friend/relationships work and to be fair, we always expect some kind of benefit from befriending an individual, even if it's a mere attempt to escape loneliness.
My favourite manga is Hibi Chouchou. It's a take on the highschool romance/slice of life genre but I've never seen anything like it. Both main characters are extreme introverts, they talk only with their best friends, the friends have to push them together when they find out their sympathy, but in the end they take it at their own pace and work it out without help.
This manga threw me out the window, cause most interactions the two have for almost the whole first half of the series are without words. They usually just bow to each other and go their separate ways, or they pull each other's sleeves. But it still says waay more than it looks like. It makes anything more than a look much more important cause you know they had to go way out of their way to do it. It took 30 chapters for them to voice out they were in a relationship!
The coolest thing Morishita Suu does is make all the friends and people around them very extroverted. This makes them stand out more and their reactions are more significant. For example they bow to each other and go, and almost always one of the friends has some remark on how weird that is. For me, it just made all interactions even more special.
Absolute gem, a must-read if you're into highschool manga or a relationship-heavy story.
This manga is amazing