The rules committee in judo are out of touch. Guys like Jim Kojima have never won anything but get to decide the standard. You can be disqualified just for having a "wrong" grip. These clowns have no clue as to what Judo really is as set out by Professor Jigoro Kano.
Huh? I think the first example is still totally legal. I guess that the so called "reverse seoi nage" is about entering in a direction and throw from the other, something like aikido's shiho-nage. That's just a plain seoi nage with both grips on the collar.
Honestly, I think this one is reasonable. It's unfortunate, but it's very easy to crank uke's arm like an ude garami, and even if you avoid doing that, a lot of the time uke is dropped uncontrollably on the back of their head with no way to break the fall.
It is done with two arms on the lapel so ude garami would be impossible. Although I agree there is some risk with falling on the head (happened with me once) but this is the case with many other throws like uchi mata and regular or drop seoi nage.
that is obviously not the reason. first of all, you need two points of contact on the arm to do an armlock. which you dont have. second, standing armlocks and resulting of that throwing with an armlock was already banned. guess how many people got penalties for that when doing reverse seoi nage.
I haven't been a judoka for more than 20 years now but I can see that if the thrown opponent's lead arm gets snagged on the attackers arms over the lapel twist, we're looking at no possible breakfall and possible shoulder dislocation
I am confused the outward turn, I guess to my understanding ,can be dangerous yet the very first throw in the video look like a regular standing seoi- nage 🤷♂️ I must be missing something or is seoi- nage banned too?
whoever performed at 2:36 should be dq'd and seriously talked to. You dont perform moves you cant properly use. The man failed every step of the way and in martial arts you're responsible for your opponents landing especially judo. the dude didnt drop his body weight, yanked on his opponents shoulder joint with no real grip (equal to me grabbing your wrist and yanking it straight out not a technique or judo), having his opponent fall on him and himself falling onto his own knee almost hyperextending his own leg, then rolling him onto a 9-5 head spike which is illegal. absolutely abysmal performance and execution.
he didnt yank on the shoulder joint with no real grip, he pulled on the lapel with a double handed grip. he didnt hyperextend his own leg in any dangerous way, that leg position is very common and used thousands of times in drop kata guruma. he didnt spike uke on his head, uke desperately tried to jump out and prefered to try to cartwheel/twist out acitvely using his head as a post onstead of falling. which is, as you said, illegal. for uke.
@@camaleaojudo2321 im gonna say its just why this is a banned technique, i understand what he was doing and the drop kata, you're just always supposed to demonstrate control in matches like this, for the sake of street judo it would be great though. still responsible for opponents and head spiking though. again its not that his form waws bad, the opposite, it was flawless. Just wasn't a controlled movement because of the power struggle. happens all the time still and usually youll still get the win as long as it wasn't intentional or it wasn't due to improper technique.
@@ZeusEBoy that is not why it is banned. they didnt ban a throw, they banned a style of entry. he could throw exactly the same way, if he does it with a slightly different entry and grip, then it is still legal. you are supposed to show control over uke, yes. and he had significant control over uke, otherwise, he wouldnt have fallen. if you ban every throw where tori doesnt have perfect control, you have to ban every throw. perfect control doesnt exist. obviously, the ijf know that, which is why they dont disqualify tori for attacking in a way where uke can still jump head first into the ground in an attempt to evade, they disqualify uke for trying that.
@@camaleaojudo2321 he quite literally didnt jump head first. the video is "banned judo techniques" adn i understand it was due to the grip. I know what you mean by entry. and control doesnt mean the move works. control is to mean you are not being carried by the weight or subject to the momentum, but rather deciding how and when they fall, contorlling their weight through the fall. I'm not saying they all are gonna be perfect or that thats practical. Just that its poor execution in a case like this. Guess i just see why its a rule
@@ZeusEBoyYeah you gonna “say” , and unfortunately the IJF has to look out for degens like you. What he did was perfectly legal and nothing about “yanking”. The technique failed due to resistance and he managed to mix it with a kata guruma. The IJF is banning techniques left and right and thusfar out of all of them I only agree with the wrapping your leg around their leg, which indeed was dangerous. Everything else is just pure comedy and mostly to protect suckers like you who can’t do judo and will hurt themselves every time.
O PRINCIPAL OBJETIVO DO JUDO, É LEVAR O INIMIGO, OU ADVERSÁRIO, AO CHÃO, OU SEJA, O OBJETIVO DO JUDO É (DAR UMA QUEDA NO ADVERSÁRIO, DEIXANDO ELE NO CHÃO); ISSO É JUDO.
@@mrburns2128 a lot of judoka came from wrestling tradition. Naidan tuvshinbayar who famously did a double leg on keiji suzuki, the ashi waza king for example. That guy started judo when he was 18, previously he only did mongolian wrestling. And the funny thing is mongolian wrestling doesn't allow leg grabs either.
@@LêHiếuTô Tushvinbayar had a Mongolian style wrestling background, which is different from Freestyle olympic wrestling. If you see his fights ,he was not so dissimilar from others Mongolian judokas (kata guruma, ippon seoi, kubisu gaeshi, etc...) He did to Suzuki a morote gari, a go kyo judo tecnique, grabbing his judogi pants: it was a typical judo action in 2008.
How? If you are in revers seoinage as an uke you get pulled down with toris full body wheight one arm is locked and the other one is to far away to grab anything effectifly try it out it won't work
A tonne of defences against forward throws involves just... going backwards. But doing so opens you up to backward throws. Countering those involve just... going forwards. The conundrum is now whether you go back or forth. This is not simple at all.
The rules committee in judo are out of touch. Guys like Jim Kojima have never won anything but get to decide the standard. You can be disqualified just for having a "wrong" grip. These clowns have no clue as to what Judo really is as set out by Professor Jigoro Kano.
competitive judo IS NOT judo as intended by Jigoro Kano.
Competitive judo is just META: Most Effective Tactics Available in order to get 1 ippon.
@@yugiohfanatic1964they alter the meta in order to prevent some countries and athletes to win.
@@yugiohfanatic1964 Jigoro Kano wanted a competitive Judo: that is why he did everything to make the Judo an Olympic sport
Welcome back, reverse seoi 😁
Your here too??
Is it back again?
@ yes next year
I started trainng judo again, missed it so much
I’m considerong getting back
me too, too much 80s nostalgia@@cameroncruz_
Huh? I think the first example is still totally legal. I guess that the so called "reverse seoi nage" is about entering in a direction and throw from the other, something like aikido's shiho-nage. That's just a plain seoi nage with both grips on the collar.
The first throw
BJJ Penboi be like: He gave up his back
yeah... try that on concrete.
Honestly, I think this one is reasonable. It's unfortunate, but it's very easy to crank uke's arm like an ude garami, and even if you avoid doing that, a lot of the time uke is dropped uncontrollably on the back of their head with no way to break the fall.
It is done with two arms on the lapel so ude garami would be impossible. Although I agree there is some risk with falling on the head (happened with me once) but this is the case with many other throws like uchi mata and regular or drop seoi nage.
that is obviously not the reason. first of all, you need two points of contact on the arm to do an armlock. which you dont have. second, standing armlocks and resulting of that throwing with an armlock was already banned. guess how many people got penalties for that when doing reverse seoi nage.
I haven't been a judoka for more than 20 years now but I can see that if the thrown opponent's lead arm gets snagged on the attackers arms over the lapel twist, we're looking at no possible breakfall and possible shoulder dislocation
2:51 I remember Fallon hitting his head in that match and thinking good lord.
That's just part of the game. Why don't they also ban uchi mata and ura nage since so many guys stick their head down for leverage?
Korean Reverse Seoi Nage is back baby
I am confused the outward turn, I guess to my understanding ,can be dangerous yet the very first throw in the video look like a regular standing seoi- nage 🤷♂️ I must be missing something or is seoi- nage banned too?
technique like arm spin throw
whoever performed at 2:36 should be dq'd and seriously talked to. You dont perform moves you cant properly use. The man failed every step of the way and in martial arts you're responsible for your opponents landing especially judo. the dude didnt drop his body weight, yanked on his opponents shoulder joint with no real grip (equal to me grabbing your wrist and yanking it straight out not a technique or judo), having his opponent fall on him and himself falling onto his own knee almost hyperextending his own leg, then rolling him onto a 9-5 head spike which is illegal. absolutely abysmal performance and execution.
he didnt yank on the shoulder joint with no real grip, he pulled on the lapel with a double handed grip. he didnt hyperextend his own leg in any dangerous way, that leg position is very common and used thousands of times in drop kata guruma. he didnt spike uke on his head, uke desperately tried to jump out and prefered to try to cartwheel/twist out acitvely using his head as a post onstead of falling. which is, as you said, illegal. for uke.
@@camaleaojudo2321 im gonna say its just why this is a banned technique, i understand what he was doing and the drop kata, you're just always supposed to demonstrate control in matches like this, for the sake of street judo it would be great though. still responsible for opponents and head spiking though. again its not that his form waws bad, the opposite, it was flawless. Just wasn't a controlled movement because of the power struggle. happens all the time still and usually youll still get the win as long as it wasn't intentional or it wasn't due to improper technique.
@@ZeusEBoy that is not why it is banned. they didnt ban a throw, they banned a style of entry. he could throw exactly the same way, if he does it with a slightly different entry and grip, then it is still legal.
you are supposed to show control over uke, yes. and he had significant control over uke, otherwise, he wouldnt have fallen. if you ban every throw where tori doesnt have perfect control, you have to ban every throw. perfect control doesnt exist. obviously, the ijf know that, which is why they dont disqualify tori for attacking in a way where uke can still jump head first into the ground in an attempt to evade, they disqualify uke for trying that.
@@camaleaojudo2321 he quite literally didnt jump head first. the video is "banned judo techniques" adn i understand it was due to the grip. I know what you mean by entry. and control doesnt mean the move works. control is to mean you are not being carried by the weight or subject to the momentum, but rather deciding how and when they fall, contorlling their weight through the fall. I'm not saying they all are gonna be perfect or that thats practical. Just that its poor execution in a case like this. Guess i just see why its a rule
@@ZeusEBoyYeah you gonna “say” , and unfortunately the IJF has to look out for degens like you. What he did was perfectly legal and nothing about “yanking”. The technique failed due to resistance and he managed to mix it with a kata guruma. The IJF is banning techniques left and right and thusfar out of all of them I only agree with the wrapping your leg around their leg, which indeed was dangerous. Everything else is just pure comedy and mostly to protect suckers like you who can’t do judo and will hurt themselves every time.
O PRINCIPAL OBJETIVO DO JUDO, É LEVAR O INIMIGO, OU ADVERSÁRIO, AO CHÃO, OU SEJA, O OBJETIVO DO JUDO É (DAR UMA QUEDA NO ADVERSÁRIO, DEIXANDO ELE NO CHÃO); ISSO É JUDO.
Mas essa queda coreana é muito feia, sem contar que não tem defesa, fizeram bem em tirar.
Talk abaut the takedown on the leg , wtf they nun ed it because the freestyle wrestler win every competition
Are you delusional? No freestyle wrestler ever won on IJF tour.
@@mrburns2128 a lot of judoka came from wrestling tradition. Naidan tuvshinbayar who famously did a double leg on keiji suzuki, the ashi waza king for example. That guy started judo when he was 18, previously he only did mongolian wrestling. And the funny thing is mongolian wrestling doesn't allow leg grabs either.
@@LêHiếuTô Tushvinbayar had a Mongolian style wrestling background, which is different from Freestyle olympic wrestling. If you see his fights ,he was not so dissimilar from others Mongolian judokas (kata guruma, ippon seoi, kubisu gaeshi, etc...) He did to Suzuki a morote gari, a go kyo judo tecnique, grabbing his judogi pants: it was a typical judo action in 2008.
@@mrburns2128 yeah yeah I suppose.
I don't get why people don't just simply walk backwards. The defense is really simple.
Because the shoulder is strictly controlled and pushed down. It could be defended only if you blocked the spin of tori (the one who attempt the throw)
You don't do judo or wrestling do you. Try it.
How? If you are in revers seoinage as an uke you get pulled down with toris full body wheight one arm is locked and the other one is to far away to grab anything effectifly try it out it won't work
A tonne of defences against forward throws involves just... going backwards.
But doing so opens you up to backward throws. Countering those involve just... going forwards.
The conundrum is now whether you go back or forth. This is not simple at all.
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