Recording & Mixing a Heavy Bass Tone

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  • Опубліковано 11 вер 2024

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  • @gunslinger8130
    @gunslinger8130 7 років тому +15

    Absolutely AMAZING what can be done with software these days!! LOL, I remember the days of sitting in my bedroom as a teenager using an old cassette recorder to record my ideas and such. Technology sure has come a long way since then!! Awesome video.

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  7 років тому +1

      Exactly how I started my home recording - bouncing down track after track to a really degraded end result.. :0)

    • @gunslinger8130
      @gunslinger8130 7 років тому

      *****
      -- LMAO!!! Sounded horrid by today's standards and capabilities, huh? LOL
      ...that horrid "cassette tape hiss", little brother come in the room, mess up my recording and have to start all over again...those were the days!!!

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  7 років тому +2

      Too right; hours of rewinding and starting all the different playback devices because you made a mistake, levels all over the place and a hundred other annoyances. Makes you appreciate what's out there these days ;0)

  • @guitarshredder420
    @guitarshredder420 8 років тому +1

    Exactly the kind of tutorial I've been looking for! All of your videos have been beneficial. Thank you!

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  8 років тому

      My pleasure, glad you're enjoying them :)

  • @SXTransmission
    @SXTransmission 8 років тому +2

    Good video! Not just for on heavy songs, many a song can benefit from a bit of distortion on the bass. Just not so you notice, but fills out the sound. I prefer to route the DI to another track, rather than duplicate the track. That way, if you make any subsequent edits to your DI then you don't have to worry about duplicating the track again. I liked your trick of the low pass, very cool. 😊

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  8 років тому

      +Punk Duck This is very true, and I can see the logic in routing the DI. I'll have to give that a try to save some time on the duplicate track :0)

  • @warrioroflight2781
    @warrioroflight2781 3 роки тому

    Just a great and very helpful vid - thank you very much!!!!

  • @Eichro
    @Eichro 8 років тому +2

    Finally official tutorials for REAPER!

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  8 років тому

      +Eichro Hope you enjoy them :0)

    • @LouisMinett
      @LouisMinett 8 років тому

      +ReaperTV
      How do I get a hold of reaper? :P

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  8 років тому +1

      +Louis Minett www.reaper.fm/download.php :0)

    • @LouisMinett
      @LouisMinett 8 років тому

      Thanks :)

  • @TonyHookedonVanlife
    @TonyHookedonVanlife 7 років тому +1

    loved it! Nice to actually HEAR the bass! LOL

  • @MicahBuzanANIMATION
    @MicahBuzanANIMATION 8 років тому +2

    That song sounds badass. Is the full version available?

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  8 років тому

      +Micah Buzan Cheers dude. It's one of my original songs. There's a rough vocal mix on Soundcloud, but it's not the full lyrics / recording / mix.
      soundcloud.com/suicide-evolution/denial-basic-vocal-mix

  • @JUNKO____
    @JUNKO____ 7 років тому

    Another good idea to enhance the bass sound is to have a midi bass (super unrealistic sounding) and blending the low end in with the original bass sound to get a more consistent low frequency.

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  7 років тому

      Nice idea. I'll have to give that method a try. :0)

  • @Metalbass10000
    @Metalbass10000 6 років тому +6

    I just don’t get this. I’ve been playing guitar and bass, primarily bass, in many bands, primarily metal bands, for about 26 years. All these years of great bass players, in great bands with powerful and inspiring music, and so many great bass tones that you recognize within seconds of hearing them. And now rverywhere I turn it’s this, “great heavy bass tone 1, 2, 3,” and it’s the same approach: take a lifeless DI bass sound, make two tracks, one a mediocre at best compressed and clean-ish but dull tone, the other, same every time, “make it sound like shit.” No one is even trying to get a good tone, let alone a great tone, just follow the stale and unimaginative formula. No other instrument is approached with the mindset that includes the phrase, “make it sound like shit.” If you said that about the vocals you would be thrown out of the studio, and rightfully so. I see many approaches to vocals, to drums, and to guitar (but seems like fewer differing approaches every year as laxiness or fear of trying to sound original pervades), but this is the ONLY approach I ever see to bass. It’s like deadbrains in suits and Italian loafers who listen to Kenny G have made a decision that this is how it’s done, “because all that heavy music sounds the same to me,”” and everyone just goes along like a herd of lobotomized deaf sheep. I’ve heard a bass sound good doing it this way, but it was using a good tone to start with, and the engineer and the bassist worked together and listened and then made decisions, and not once did snyone say, “it needs to sound shittier.” I’ll never allow my bass to sound lifeless and unimaginative, boring and shitty, nor will I settle for that on a guitar, or vocal, or drum. I’m not lazy, I’m not looking for, “fuck it, good enough,” tones in my music. I’ve heard too many great musicians make too much great music with great tones that made me want to play bass to settle for this cookie cutter that cuts the same turd cookies off of the same steaming pile.

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  6 років тому +5

      Metalbass10000 if that's how you feel about the state of bass tones, how about putting a guide together on how to buck the trend you obviously feel very strongly about?
      I'm not having a go at your comment, it's as valid as the next person's. But it is very easy to criticise what others are doing and still offer no alternative.
      Maybe craft a tone and share how and why you created it and why you feel it improves upon what's being done by the masses.

    • @Metalbass10000
      @Metalbass10000 6 років тому +2

      I certainly meant no offense to you personally, it just happened to be your video that I was watching, the fourth in a row tonight with a nearly identical approach, and strikingly similar tones, and that's after I don't know how many videos, over the months that I have been introducing myself to being the person with all the controls at my fingertips.
      The alternative for which you ask is already in the works. It's taken me quite a while to get my hardware and software to play nice together. I'll be responsible for all the instruments, I don't live in a populated area rich in potential bandmates, so it may take a bit of time to track everything, mix everything, and get it ready for human consumption. In the past, while I'd always worked closely with the engineer, and was actively involved in the decision making process, on any project I was involved in, I was never the person at the controls, so there is a learning curve involved in that. This was the reason I was watching these videos to begin with.
      I can't say that any tone I put together for a piece of music will be viewed by anyone as better or worse, or an improvement on anything, but I can say without any shred of doubt that it will be different from this approach.
      On some of the other items I mention, would you agree that no other instrument is approached with a technique that involves the phrase, "make it sound like shit," as a common practice? Would you say that, even though we have so many more people recording and producing music than ever before, we don't seem to have a commensurate explosion of creativity and originality? I am not in any saying or implying that there is no creativity or originality in modern music, just that I seem to be all too often hearing the same sounds, the same formulas, and not just in popular music where I expect to hear them, but in styles of music that have historically been viewed, for most of their existences, as underground, or alternative, or outside of the mainstream, by the culture at large. And would you agree that many people putting out music are either led by management that subscribes to the belief that they need to stay within the narrow bounds of what is currently selling on the music they are recording, or that many artists have been led down a path that limits the breadth and depth of what they might otherwise be willing or allowed to create?
      Or have you ever been in a studio and the lead vocalist throws his head back, flopping his hair back and off his face, to the delight of the two giggling young women accompanying him that day, and then he looked at the studio engineer, who himself was thrusting his head back, but this was to ensure that all seventeen French fries would meet their demise in this one bite, and they in unison cried out, "it needs to sound shittier!!"
      Sorry, I just don't feel right being so pessimistic, had to inject a little humor. I love that we are so empowered in this point in history to create music as we so choose, without the interference of outside interests whose only interest is their own self-interest. I just would love to hear more variety in the approaches demonstrated, more creativity and novelty. more originality. We have more options at our disposal than ever before, but we don't seem to be doing all that many different things with them, and we obviously can do so much more.
      Yes, I will be putting my music where my mouth is (because my money is all consumed by medical bills), and I will be creating music that I have had playing in my head day and night for as long as I can remember. And as I become comfortable with the software I am now using I will be sure to put this music where all who are interested can hear it.
      As for putting together a guide to what I have done, well, aside from trying to remedy the monetary limitations that prevent me from purchasing the video equipment needed to put together a UA-cam video, and also is significantly impairing my ability to complete the rebuilding and modding of the only remaining guitars I have access to, the limitations of my time being a very happily married husband to a wife with whom I enjoy sharing our companionship (and I'd like to stay happily married!), being a very involved father to a seven year old son and four year old daughter that I wish I could spend even more time with, starting a business and a charitable foundation, both of which where inspired by an incredible sequence of events during treatment for a serious medical condition, and then that very treatment for a very serious medical condition that could take me away from my family that I have waited for so long to enter my life. All of these things are much higher on the priority scale than obtaining the equipment needed for a video, and then learning how to use this equipment to record, edit, sync to audio, and whatever else is needed to be done before posting it to UA-cam.

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  6 років тому +4

      It's OK, I took no offence at your comments. Like I said, we all have our feelings and opinions and they don't always have to align. We all have a point and it can be as valid as the next persons.
      To answer some of your points: I think with the advent of home recording becoming so much more accessible on smaller budgets, that there is a much more diverse range of music out there to listen to and a percentage of that new music will have huge creative potential that stretches what we as musicians see as the 'norm' when it comes to sound, song structure, etc. So, while the mainstream will pretty much always push out formulaic music that adheres to a tried and tested formula (structure, style and sound), I think there is a whole ton of creatives pushing the boundaries and not necessarily getting the same level of exposure. The Internet, UA-cam and home recording gear is certainly helping to level the playing field for creatives.
      The whole 'shit' sound for bass thing. Personally, I think the bass has to be in context. The sound in this video is not really aimed at the seasoned professional. More for the guy or girl at home, wanting to record some 'metal' or heavy style music and isn't a bass player or experienced in the nuances of crafting a bass sound that will set the world on fire. It's a down and dirty, easy to emulate tone that will sit in a mix well and where necessary, create a gritty, driven sound (that I personally like, in context) without too much knowledge required. Is that the right approach for everyone? Absolutely not. Was this content aimed at the pro? Absolutely not. Would it work in a rap song or a clean, pristine pop song? Again, doubtful.
      With regards to the vocalist asking for the sound to be 'shittier', I guess we would need to define the term 'shittier'. Adding dirt or distortion to a vocal (when building vocal tracks) can definitely add a different sound to what is being crafted. Again, it depends in what context the 'shittier sound' is being applied.
      Like I said at the top of the comment, I take no offence in what you have written. I think when it comes to any creative pursuit, there are a million ways to approach things and what is right for one is totally wrong for the next person. :)

    • @jean-raymondarcand6680
      @jean-raymondarcand6680 6 років тому +2

      This is a predominant mind set when recording bass because these are videos on recording/mixing &c. And anyone can record these days, so that's why you hear this everywhere. Recording a clean bass track first is just easier to work with for the guy behind the board. Also, it lets you manipulate your notes and tone as your song evolves - so it's a plus for songwriters as well. I ALWAYS record my bass WITH distortion and all my effects right from the start, because it sounds better to me. However, if I want to move my notes or sections around, I'm fucked and have to re-record. Nearly impossible to line up the swells on a distorted sweep echo haha

    • @monsterk7603
      @monsterk7603 5 років тому +1

      Metalbass10000, I hear what you're saying, but I found this extremely helpful. I'm a guitar player just starting to record at home and just bought my first bass. This helps with the learning curve. I can get a decent bass tone for metal without much frustration. That will help with motivation for me to continue to pursue better bass tone.

  • @channeling05
    @channeling05 7 років тому

    Awesome run-through.

  • @Bigwoody95826
    @Bigwoody95826 3 роки тому

    I wonder if it is better to re-record the same bassline for the distorted bass track that is -20b or if it is ok to just copy and paste,
    Thanks, Rob

  • @E2EJames
    @E2EJames 8 років тому +3

    thank you

  • @joshuawhitley5819
    @joshuawhitley5819 7 років тому

    I'd talk about high passing the clean bass and low passing the distorted one so that the frequency spectrum isn't completely filled with useless information that completely muddies up the whole sound in a mix.
    Never mind, I hadn't gotten to that point in the video yet

  • @peepinyowindow4517
    @peepinyowindow4517 6 років тому

    What about just compressing the master bass track instead of each seperate? Assuming same level of compression

  • @josefvr3315
    @josefvr3315 6 років тому

    reaper rules

  • @Armbarvictim
    @Armbarvictim 8 років тому

    Great video brother!

  • @tysoncrawley6499
    @tysoncrawley6499 8 років тому

    very helpful, thankyou!

  • @Fezzler61
    @Fezzler61 8 років тому +1

    Great video. So when applying EQ, is the good starting point to give 60-50Hz and below to the kick exclusively and give the bass more of the 90-250Hz range? Or start flat? So many beginner EQ instruction is about rolling off the low end for everything but the kick. But I recently had an accomplished producer show me that's bull, everything needs a little low end. So for a beginner, EQing the low end is tricky.

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  8 років тому +1

      +Fezzler61 To be honest, I don't think there are any hard and fast rules as music is so varied, what works for one may not work for another. I generally start by rolling off anything that is sub 50Hz as that's generally where the sub bass frequencies are and they can be hard to control and for the majority of music, not really needed.
      I'll reduce low end if needed and usually high pass the guitars and vocals, maybe add a shelf to the higher frequencies and then when I master through iZotope Ozone, check using Mid / Side EQ to see if there are frequencies in the sides (low end) that I need to remove to clean the mix up.
      But, I'm VERY much still learning the art of mixing and I only really work on guitar / bass / drums / vocals for rock and metal. If you're working on EDM for example, a lot of what I've said is utter rubbish. lol

    • @Fezzler61
      @Fezzler61 8 років тому

      Right here with you. Beginner. Pretty simply tracks. Drums (EZ or Steven Slate); Bass; Guitars; sometimes vocal and guitar. My best results are when I keep everything as simple as I can. Re: EQ: Spending more time thinking about capturing compressed and EQ shaped sound on the way in.

  • @gonecoyote
    @gonecoyote 6 років тому

    thanks man

  • @insertanynameyouwant5311
    @insertanynameyouwant5311 7 років тому

    nice! What`s the purpose of buttons Guitars, Drums. etc, and how can I get them?

  • @AttitudeCastle
    @AttitudeCastle 8 років тому

    What layout is this/how do I get that mixer lay out with the effects chains above them?
    Also, any reason you don't EQ (such as an HPF) first in the chain? Obviously that's situation/tone specific but curious all the same!
    Great video :)

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  8 років тому +1

      The layout is a screenset that I've laid out and the theme used is Default Comalla 4 or 5 depending upon when the video was recorded.
      I prefer to EQ after the amps / cabs / FX as I want to EQ the effected sound and not the original signal that will generally have it's characteristics changed by the signal chain. :0)

  • @ecorona21
    @ecorona21 5 років тому

    How do I set that mixer view?

  • @MK-oz2lf
    @MK-oz2lf 6 років тому

    Do you keep the bass in the center of the mix? Or do you duplicate the track then pan each track hard Left and hard Right like you do with guitar? Thanks

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  6 років тому

      I generally keep the bass right down the middle. It can sound a little odd if you start panning, but with everything audio related, give it a try and see which you prefer :)

  • @wilko2912
    @wilko2912 8 років тому

    When you go back to the full mix, is that a feature where you can focus on one section of a song on it's own in a different window or is it simply just two separate projects for demonstration?

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  8 років тому

      It's 2 separate projects, the bass and drums in one and the full mix later in the video.

    • @wilko2912
      @wilko2912 8 років тому +1

      Ah I thought so, thank you

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  8 років тому

      B Wilkinson No problem at all. :0)

  • @yourmum101ful
    @yourmum101ful 8 років тому +1

    Im sensing a bit of welsh on your voice there mate

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  8 років тому +1

      Lol, was it that obvious? ;0)

    • @yourmum101ful
      @yourmum101ful 8 років тому

      ***** perhaps, I find it hard to tell sometimes cause I'm welsh too ;)

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  8 років тому

      Ahhh, yeah. That could cloud the matter a little :0)

  • @wonpyokim
    @wonpyokim 7 років тому

    09:04 부터

  • @PerplexiaX
    @PerplexiaX 8 років тому

    Which program is this?

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  8 років тому

      +Perplexia X It's Cockos Reaper 5 - www.reaper.fm/

    • @PerplexiaX
      @PerplexiaX 8 років тому

      +ReaperTV Thank you! :-)

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  8 років тому

      +Perplexia X my pleasure 😊

    • @PerplexiaX
      @PerplexiaX 8 років тому +1

      +ReaperTV Yeah, my friends and I use Magix Music Maker, and I've been told,
      repeatedly, that it is a very under-rated DAW, AND that we use it very well,
      and I have to admit...we really do push it to the envelope at times!
      What I didn't know, and found out recently, was that it's a beginners DAW,
      basically the worst one out there, and I really kind of have to disagree with that...
      this is all we've used thus far, and we almost always get raving reviews on how well produced our music is, etc...
      I'm just kind of curious as to what other programs offer (FL, Pro Studios, East-West, etc.)
      so I'm kind of researching them, but they all seem to be about the same... to me, anyway.
      They're just a lot more expensive...
      if you have some time, I'd like to know what you think about what I've said here,
      and which DAW you would prefer to use, if you could have only one!

    • @ReapertvUk
      @ReapertvUk  8 років тому

      +Perplexia X To be honest, if I had the option of only 1 DAW it would still be Reaper! The development community is excellent, the product is solid, has a good learning curve, produces great results and isn't bloated by 100's of plugins. Yes, the stock plugins look boring in comparison to the more graphic alternatives, but bypass that and you have some great sounding, powerful plugins that get the job done well.
      I can't speak from massive experience of other DAW's, but I have tested a few and in many respects they are not as versatile or user friendly as Reaper.
      Download the 60 day trial and give it a go, what have you got to lose? ;)

  • @nickyfingers691
    @nickyfingers691 8 років тому +3

    bass is a bitch to mix...