Great video and always love the Tesla banter between the two of you. Very easy to watch and follow. I agree with Jenny that much of the problems you experienced were likely specific to your particular vehicle and also agree with you that the 2016 model is far more troubled than current ones. Having owned the 2016 MX for 2 years and then the 2018 MX for the last 2 years it is clear to us that everything from squeaks, leaks, sensor issues, road noise even the performance/longevity of the 90kwh packs vs the 100 kWh have all dramatically improved. Our X still has its issues and part of me wonders how much more improvement the 2020 and beyond models have made. We get lots of questions from potential X buyers asking about 2016 and 2017 models over ‘18 and above. We always try to guide them to the latter years as we do with 2012 or ‘13 Model S buyers. To me, those 4 years are on the do not buy list when it comes to used Tesla’s but again I know plenty who’ve had good experiences with those years as well. Thanks for always being transparent with your Tesla experiences!
Nice reply. Waiting on X. Due to be delivered in March. I would be quite happy if the FWD were changed to normal doors but they also look very cool. Hopefully they won’t take any of the kids out. 😬
Picked up my 2021 on December 10. Perfect in every way so far, from body to seats to road noise to speeeed to entertainment. No kids (64) so I don't use the falcon doors as much.
@@bradclawsie Not Model X, 2020 production for Model S & X was only something like 80,000 production. ModX i'm guessing was 25,000 for the entire globe. These are limited production cars even in 2020.
Ben, I feel your pain .. our previous 2017 model X also had so many issues and for the cost spending over $130+k and having so many issues really put us off, we recently traded it in for Audi eTron and my wife just love having normal rear door again, also not having rain and snow issues when opening the rear doors, the kids normally open the doors them self and even when the half open still water would get in not at bad but still, best fix was to clean off the top before opening the doors .. I wish they had made the model Y interior identical to the model X .. but keeping the normal rear doors..
Do you easily find out electric charging station around your activity field? I have just made contract ordering model x with 5seats, just that this is my first time buying fully electrical based vehicle.
I had a 2020 Model X performance that I picked up on 12/28/2019 and sold it 6 months later with a little over 10k miles on it. I had zero issues during my short ownership and 10k miles of driving. I sold it because the outdated battery, slower charging, and other tech when compared to the Model 3/Y. I had no issues with my doors, but only had it for six months and 10k miles.
I have a 7 seater 2018 Model X and haven't had any issues with the FWD or auto doors. In fact the FWD makes hauling boxes very easy. My previous SUV a BMW X5 there was no way to put a box in the center of the car. I would have to remove all items out of the back of the car and reload as boxes could not get out of the back door. With the X, it's easy! It's also easy for my Mom to get in and out of the rear of the car, she's in her 90's. Love the FWD!!!!
Very accurate review, had the same problems, but to be clear its a "2016 model x" review, my 2020 model x is night and day difference, even the thing with the rain was fixed
Funny you speak about the 3rd row Model Y. Its officially available for order today. But I agree it seems really small, wouldn't be as roomy as Model lX.
@ 5:08 Jennie said it all......"it feels like a money pit and it feels more sour than it's supposed to feel good about."....I have a 2015 lexus NX and all i changed was front and rear brakes, wiper blades for front and rear window and 2 oil changes per year. I appreciate your video for all the real life problems and costs people go through of owning a Tesla. I am grateful for all the information and insight you provided. I do think you did the right thing in trading it.....I would have traded it long ago....If I paid $78 000 for a car I would not accept creaking, cracking and things falling off.
Your experience is limited to the earlier Model X production years. So you should qualify all your statements as such. Tesla production quality has improved a lot since then.
Watching this in April 2023. Would agree that, for those considering a 2016 Tesla model X, you do not want to buy any used Tesla with mfg date prior to 2017 due to issues in design and software upgrades! Is it that these problems are mostly in software design? 🤓🤓 Anyhoo, It's good to watch reviews two years later! Thanks!
In Vancouver Canada we see a ton of Model X cars on the road. Almost more common than the Model S. My buddy with two kids got one (2019 model) and loves it. I really hear you about the creaks from a car that likely had every body panel removed and re-installed for test fitting. Great Video. Super straight forward.
It's nice to know these things because most youtube creators suggest (almost "advertise") to their audience to buy a used tesla. Yet, they forget to mention that most used teslas out there have problems, they are out of warranty and you have to pay a lot of money to fix them. Here in Norway, the moment your car needs to go for a service you pay easily 1000-2000$ just for labour costs and usually if the part you replace is worth 300-400$ you pay easily 2.5 grand.
I mostly enjoy our X but most of what was said in this video is right. In 6 months of ownership I've already had several major repairs under warranty. The heater went out a few weeks ago requiring a 2.5 hour trip with no heat in 35 degree weather to service. My 3rd row seat is currently stuck down and I've read there is a possibility I'll need an entire new 3rd row seat. Several squeaks and noises I've had repaired as well. I was able to get the 4 years 50K mile warranty before it was discontinued from Tesla (2017 P100D). I've paid nothing out of pocket so far, but there is a 0% chance I have this car outside the warranty. Current plan is to hang onto it until the Cyber Truck is released.
Watching this video in 2022 knowing what happened to used X prices makes me a bit sad. I bet this car appreciated over the past year! Plus the refresh S/X was announced literally 3 weeks after you posted this!
I agree that the Model X is a bit too flashy for me. We bought our 2020 Model X LR in December of 2019, so we’ve had it for about a year now. After a year of having the car, we decided it made more sense financially to sell ours and pick up a Model Y and maybe an ID4 or m3. Over the course of the year we’ve owned the X, we put about 20,000 miles on it with trips from San Diego to Las Vegas and Big Bear. The trip to big bear was a big eye opener for the power for regenerative braking. We topped off our mileage at the super charger in San Bernardino and by the time we got to the camp grounds in Big Bear we were down to 50% charge. On the way back down, we regenerated about 24% and got back to San Bernardino SC with 74% battery. We did have an air condition issues it’s ours as well. Our trip to big bear, the AC wasn’t working at all and blowing out warm air. It turned out the air conditioning sensor was not working properly and the refrigeration was undercharged. After a warranty fix, we didn’t have any other issues.
The biggest appeal for me about the X is the fact that it has a gage and at lease SOME things can be done manually without the tablet. Also, the 3 row seating is nice. The doors seem annoying to me though.
Tesla mobile tech told me that Tesla beefed up the hinges on the gull-doors. Also, they reworked the ultrasonic sensors and made sure that the fit and finish is not an issue. Basically, the gull-door issues have been solved to the point that they are a reason to get the refreshed Model X.
Do you guys every miss the space going from the X to the Y? My wife rode on both a Y and X and immediately loved the space of the X so thats what we went for. I did end up getting a used 2019 and going well so far. I for one too am not looking forward to the attention of the wing doors, but I still love them.
I'm a huge fan of Tesla and a proud Model Y owner. That's been said, one of Tesla's 2021 priorities has to be quality control and their services (in-house or partnership with others) now that they are going to crossing that chasm to the mainstream customer base.
Agreed. Would be great to get their perspective and compare the 2. I’ve been debating whether to splurge to get the rivian for a more luxurious ride over the MY. I wasn’t impressed when I test drove the MX - it felt old and loud on the hwy. I’m hoping the rivian will have a more luxurious ride befitting of the $70k+ price.
@@Wasabi9111 I don’t think they understand why they have all of these problems, these problems are mainly due to the fact that they got the literal first production batch of a completely new vehicle, it will be the same thing with their rivian and they will have these same problems, they will most likely get these same issues on the rivian and keep complaining bc they don’t really know about this.
Thanks guys. I currently have a 2020 LR + and havent really had any major issues. I understand this one is newer though. I have de-activated the Auto door though for the same reason you mentioned Ben. All in all I love my MX especially because of its space for 6 passenger seating. So far so good, and have bo intentions of getting rid of mine. April/2021will be a year since we got ours. Keep the great videos coming🙏🏽
I have a Model X 2019, my wife also hate the doors so much that I accidentally closed the door once because the key was in my pocket when she was putting our kid , we also think about trade the car and buy a model Y instead, but we live in Taiwan, the model Y may not coming even in late 2021. Anyway, love to see your true experience of this car, take care and stay healthy.
As much as I am a Tesla fan (even if I don't have one), I believe $150.000.or even $75,000 for any car, electric or ICE is TOOOOOO much money. But if I had money to throw away ( which I don't), I would buy a Tesla because I support the values of the company: accelerate the transition to renewable energy which they do big time !
Seems much better than ice cars that sit around 3 years before using again where you have to flush out the old gas, replace many dirty nasty hoses and other fluids, filters, the interior and exterior might not have fared well, wiring might have been chewed and maybe nests that need to be removed, etc...
I got used to the automatic door open on my driveway when i take out trash. It's fine just let it be and when you walk away, the door closes itself. brilliant. 2020 Raven MX, small things but no big issue so far. Loving the car and made the frunk automatic too now that's something everyone would appreciate the automatic doors in Model X comparing to other models. Your wife bringing back groceries while you and kids in the car waiting in the parking lot, and you can just open the frunk by a click, and after she put in the groceries, click to close the frunk and open the passenger door with another click, and close it when she gets in, and then hands her a lysol wipe. Drive the car away without having the pull the key out/her touching the exterior/interior handles. Perfect car for the pandemic.
Model X is also needed for towing heavy trailers - espacially in Europe. when one want to stick with an EV. Plaid Batteries in it would help that. For having a decent range when towing. And it looks like we in Europe will not have the cybrtrk.
Good video and refreshing to see a really honest owner account of owning a 2016 Model X. I nearly bought one second hand and feel like I dodged a bullet now given the raft of maintenance issues so many face.
I know that the minivan sliding doors don’t look as cool, but if it was ever an option for future Teslas, I’d go with that. Also forward sliding front doors would work well.
WOW! Jan 2021: "AP version 1...works far more reliable" Love my AP1 / hate MCU1. Great video Ben and Jennie... Did you take advantage of Section 179 tax deduction? That is definitely one huge benefit to the X over all other Tesla models.
Great video. I had trouble with my 2016 MX. I was backing out of my driveway and my front suspension arm broke. I towed it to Tesla and they said it was a common issue. Luckily I was still under warranty. Thank God I wasn’t driving at a high speed when it happened. I ended up selling mine shortly after getting the repairs done. I love Tesla, but not in a hurry to buy another one anytime soon.
Excellent transparent video. Excellent timing as well. I was considering trading in my model S for model X today. This honest real-world experience made me reconsider some things.
Sounds like just buying a standard 90D used from Tesla would have been a better buy. I bought a used 90D from Tesla a few months ago and got another 4 year warranty on a 2017 and got a great deal and for full self driving
Great video! I have been a Model X owner for +3 years and can relate to your comments on flashiness. If you have to open the FWDs, you are always going to get attention. However, regarding the functionality of the FWDs, mine have been great and open fully always/consistently. The earlier models have issues with ultrasonics and newer models have an interior sensor to reduce head bonks. I have had a few things go wrong, but not nearly as much as you. I think some of that may be related to the car being a 2016 and a showcar which had body modifications. That said, Tesla has not been adding significant new tech to the Model X (battery tech, heat pump) so I will be trading the car in this year for a Model Y.
The fancy rear falcon wing doors (like many luxury over-the-top items) are both a blessing and a curse. After hearing them talk if I were buying a model Y I would definitely get the 3rd row seating.
Oh boy. Fingers crossed. We just bought a 2016 Model X with 90k miles, single owner and babied. Hope it does well for running around town, doing errands etc.
I love how she thinks NOTHING in Mexico could possibly be fancy at 21:00 Ya know cuz it's still just Mexico. This is the type of casual racism that makes people look at you that way, not your car. 👎🏽
This is the perfect true ownership review of the 2016 Model X shoppers need to see. I myself love the 6 seat config I do wish the 2nd row folded but its not needed for me. I barely carry more than 3 passengers and was curious of buying a 2016 X and now I know to stay away from the 2016 year version of the Model X. Thanks you Dan and Jennie. What year Model S did you trade the Model X for?
Ben - great video. I have been following you for a while and actually got a used 2015 Model S. Got the unlimited supercharging. I am now thinking about a Model Y or Model X so this video has given some insights. I believe the key thing about EVs is range so when looking into used, I am leaning towards 295 at minimum. Excited to see your new used Model S.
Hey guys I love that someone is speaking about the issues with the older model X. I have a 2016 model X and I went through a nightmare with upgrading my FSD computer and MCU. Long story short Tesla would deny for almost a year that the old MCU does not work with new fsd computer. I got tired and purchased new mcu upgrade. That should not be the case with such an expensive car. My Rivian is coming in June as well :) fyi after getting all upgrades done my x is finally working well, well almost need a new telco modem 😜
Good review for your MX. I get it and understand your moving on. I had to figure that the MX must have a + and - to owning one. I will share my MX is like less than the 1st 700 ever made. It needed a few things fixed or upgraded but it was all taken care of by Tesla. For me I have all the positive reasons to enjoy it and want to keep it forever. I think it will become a unique classic car for sure. When ordered every check box was selected so we did not feel it getting older by being passed by newer models. So many things that this car has can not be ordered anymore which helps bridge the gap between new and old. Just wanted to share that MX ownership differently depends on the car. So YES this car is perfect still and FULLY enjoy it as was meant too by Elons vision. Thank you for your truthfulness of your experience as always...
Thanks for sharing the honest opinion on your USED model X experience. Used Tesla that is out of warranty can be costly to maintain so glad to see that you're moving on...
YOU JUST SAVED ME!! THANK YOU! I always come here to up to date! Me and the wife we really looking into getting a Model X because we have 3 little ones. Mainly because the world is moving to EVs and our dad has been speaking about Telsa since the Model S was announce and he finally picked up his 2021 Model 3. The price point was the only thing making me really think about not getting one. Not to mention I was trying to wait and see the Model Y's Seven Seater (hoping for a 6 seater). But if this you didnt drop this video for another 3 months, we would of been Model X owners for sure! You guys hit the nail on the head, with the price not being comparable and when you said the Y over the X made my day because I've been telling my wife this for sometime now 😂 Thanks again for this video! Right on time! Now I'm doing research on this Rivian lol
Hello, I have had my 2016 P90D for two months with 100k miles and bought it used . The only issue I have with the car is range. I live in Michigan and bought it in November. I am getting 450 to 550 Wh/mile in the winter and on road trips close to 425 Wh/mile. Is this what you have experienced or do you think this is due to the cold weather? The highest supercharging rate i’ve got was 94kw and the max rated range I’m getting is 220 miles at 100% but actual driving range is close to 140 miles. Could it be an issue with the battery? Do I need to take it in for service? Thank you
Seating, yes, (time 14:48) but the Model X also, currently, still has good displays, although there’s evidence to suggest that Tesla is considering moving the S and X to the WTFH?! Model 3/Y single center screen dangling of a stiletto heel rather than integrated into the dash.
My wife felt the same way Jennie did, thats why we sold ours. My wife is very modest and as much as she liked the ride and driving it, she hated how flashy it was. It gets way too much attention for her. It's also why she drives a Y now. Not much difference in size and all the advantages of the new tech and not "as" flashy.
Can you guys try the latest model X and compare it to your 2016 one? I'm really interested in buying the 2022 Model X but after hearing your video, I'm kinda scared now.
Yes! But I think we would probably like it less due to the yoke. Albeit some of the issues with the older model are likely resolved the doors are the same and now you don’t have a steering wheel
I just love Jenny. Her simplicity, humility and authenticity. She is very honest. I would take her recommendation everyday.. Thank you both for sharing this. I have a 2019 M3 and still holding on to my 2011 MDX. I was thinking of going all electric -all Tesla but your comments and review put a lot in perspective. Just the maintenance after warranty will be a nightmare. I will wait for a less sophisticated 600mile E-SUV to replace my MDX . Not sure which manufacturer will be first to market. Once again thank you both for unbiased review.
Rivian looks good for the price the ask vs Tesla, but how about charging network? Would it be really possible to travel long distance on Rivian relying on 3rd party networks?
Thanks for very informative video. I used to own a 2017 MX but sold it, mainly because of those FWDs! I think if they do a refresh AND get rid of the FWDs, reduce the price, give it the horizonatl screen like MY, but keep the screen behind the steering wheel, they could sell a lot more of these. You probalby saw Kim Java's video on this, and she makes alot of sense to me.
@@DanLMHYeah, this is my 'issue' with a lot of this stuff. Knowingly buying early VINs, which from any brand is gonna have most issues, as if all. But all part of the game when you want that to happen for the videos, clicks, and $ made from it. We'll see them about his early Rivian too. Just some major caveats vs normal owners.
I actually made money in my chevy volt. It was my personal car that I drive for work. I got the mileage and after 3 years sold it for what I paid for it. Crazy. My tesla. Well maybe not so much but I bought it used too and have saves so much on gas. And in Arizona registration is so cheap for evs. I got 5 years for $100!! I may not be making money but the overall cost is less than people think
I have a Model Y as well, and my efficiency doesn’t seem to be doing great. Would you both do a video on your Model Y efficiency and tips? I don’t know if mine could make LA>SD on one charge, that seems so impressive to me
I've owned a new 2020 model x long range for almost a year. we debated a Tesla for about 3 years before we bought and went with the X because of the seating capacity. I'm very much like Jennie. The doors & the price are a little embarrassing to me but I just wasn't ready for a sedan (3) and I don't like the billboard screen of the S and now Y. I like that the X dash still looks and functions much more similarly to any other car. What do I tell people? If you're not patient, it's not the car for you. It's quirky. Weird little issues. Not big tech stuff, just odd little things. Biggest issue I've had is with wind noise around the front windows. How Tesla can design the tech in that car, but not make a window that works I find so strange. In all, I've been happy and have found transitioning to an electric car super easy. I had pretty realistic expectations going in. I knew not to expect perfect. It's a tech car, not a fit and finish car which I think a lot of buyers expect when paying $100,000+ for a car. It"s in the price of high end BMW, Mercedes, not that far from an optioned out plug in Volvo XC90 (which we almost got) BUT I think a Tesla can't really be compared to those cars EVEN THOUGH they are in the same price range. It's a computer on wheels, it's just so different. If they put some regular doors on that car. Ah, LOVE ! Still, I like it more than any car I've ever owned and trust me, I'm not a car kind of girl.
I'd be sad if they discontinued the Model X. And perhaps if they did a refresh of the interior of the S and X, with a screen similar to the one on the CyberTruck, keeping the screen in front of the steering wheel, and did a minor refresh of the exterior, sales of the X and S would increase.
Should I get the Model Y Standard or Long Range. I don't plan on traveling much especially due to Covid and my Wife's 7 seater 2021 Kia Sorento. But do you feel as if I will get range anxiety.
We have a late 2019 MX and mid 2019 M3. The kids love the Falcon wing doors and love riding in it. Personally I prefer to drive the M3 and I find the discrepancies in UI between them a pain when I go from one to the other.
That sucks. I worked for Audi and Vw for years and a car out of warranty can be very expensive. And I saw issues all the time of the VIN split didn’t cover known issues to affected vehicles. Better luck on the model S.
We traded in our '13 S and the MCU finally fully broke within a day of the trade! Even with a ~2k trade-in reduction it was time to avoid the further out of warranty costs. Can't wait to get back into a Tesla, thanks for helping make the decision for a Y (or Cybertruck) over the X when that time comes.
The doors are a great party trick until you don't want the attention, completely agree. The doors are too much. But buying a car that was essentially disassembled several times, even with no miles, is obviously responsible for the creaks and quirks.
So I was ready to buy a Model X when the refresh comes (or if it comes) but not going to lie, this video concerned me. Trying to balance the fact that you had a gen 1 2016 Model X vs how much better it probably has to be in a Model X that was built in 2021 now 5 years later. But 5 years of time won't change the fact that it still has falcon wing doors...
I love the look of the doors, but just like she said, the technical aspect behind it, seem unreliable and compare to a regular car door or even a van door.. when there’s something wrong with it, it just can’t be fixed easily..
We are watching the Pacifica Hybrid! Now if a Model X sized vehicle had sliding second row doors my wife would be all the way! She is not giving up the convenience.
Thanks guys for the honest review and feedback . What is your opinion on model S ? Is it worth to buy it right now or wait for more EV's to come to the market. Or Tesla is going to refresh this vehicle ?
Thank you Ben and Jennie for making this video. I was about a week away from signing papers to buy a Model X. I test drove one long-range version and was lucky enough to borrow a friend's for a few days. My background in vehicle ownership is with Lexus, Audi, and Honda. The one area that I care about in a car is the quality of fit, finish, and longevity of any product I buy. Unfortunately, the research I have done on the Model X and first-hand experience has shied me away from that. I can not justify paying an $80,000 purchase price but getting the fit and finish of a $20,000 to $25,000 car. I appreciate everything Tesla is trying to accomplish but not until they figure out their quality control. I will wait.
I appreciate your honestly and j can tell Ben still lives the S. I have an older S but also hate losing money. I bought mine used and it’s still is Great a p85 with ap1 and I put in the new MCU2. Because of the hatchback. I would only be interested in the Y but my trade in or out right sale would mean I would put out $20k more and lose a sunroof, free supercharging and free premium connectivity. So I will drive mine for a long time.
Great video and always love the Tesla banter between the two of you. Very easy to watch and follow.
I agree with Jenny that much of the problems you experienced were likely specific to your particular vehicle and also agree with you that the 2016 model is far more troubled than current ones. Having owned the 2016 MX for 2 years and then the 2018 MX for the last 2 years it is clear to us that everything from squeaks, leaks, sensor issues, road noise even the performance/longevity of the 90kwh packs vs the 100 kWh have all dramatically improved.
Our X still has its issues and part of me wonders how much more improvement the 2020 and beyond models have made.
We get lots of questions from potential X buyers asking about 2016 and 2017 models over ‘18 and above. We always try to guide them to the latter years as we do with 2012 or ‘13 Model S buyers. To me, those 4 years are on the do not buy list when it comes to used Tesla’s but again I know plenty who’ve had good experiences with those years as well.
Thanks for always being transparent with your Tesla experiences!
hey kim java,its deepanshu c++
We currently own a 2019 Model X purchased as new and absolutely love it. Haven’t had a single problem with it to date. (Knock on wood 🪵)
Nice reply. Waiting on X. Due to be delivered in March. I would be quite happy if the FWD were changed to normal doors but they also look very cool. Hopefully they won’t take any of the kids out. 😬
Picked up my 2021 on December 10. Perfect in every way so far, from body to seats to road noise to speeeed to entertainment. No kids (64) so I don't use the falcon doors as much.
There shouldn’t be all these issues with a $100,000 car
I completely understand why this car could be too “fancy” for someone. Definitely a flex
Which to be honest is kind of why they made it. While definitely not for everyone, this car was 💯 Tesla showing what they "can" do.
She is going to love her Roadster.
it's the only car that has ever been suspended in air at Coachella so...
I wouldn't mind Flexin' in it, but they are just way too big. Seems annoying to drive in a big city with lots of traffic.
@@bradclawsie Not Model X, 2020 production for Model S & X was only something like 80,000 production. ModX i'm guessing was 25,000 for the entire globe. These are limited production cars even in 2020.
I love how Jennie is sooo transparent, especially when she clarified that the Model S is used right after Ben said "New".
Just down to earth! That’s what we need more of right now!!!
Ben, I feel your pain .. our previous 2017 model X also had so many issues and for the cost spending over $130+k and having so many issues really put us off, we recently traded it in for Audi eTron and my wife just love having normal rear door again, also not having rain and snow issues when opening the rear doors, the kids normally open the doors them self and even when the half open still water would get in not at bad but still, best fix was to clean off the top before opening the doors ..
I wish they had made the model Y interior identical to the model X .. but keeping the normal rear doors..
Model X is good with the heads up display but the vertical screen might put games and UA-cam or Netflix in between two black bars
Have a model X 5-seater, best car i have ever owned...
Ditto.
Test drove a model X. Hands down the best car I’ve ever driven.
Sat inside a model x, by far the best car I have ever sat in...
Do you easily find out electric charging station around your activity field? I have just made contract ordering model x with 5seats, just that this is my first time buying fully electrical based vehicle.
@@pablogarcia7551 😂
I had a 2020 Model X performance that I picked up on 12/28/2019 and sold it 6 months later with a little over 10k miles on it. I had zero issues during my short ownership and 10k miles of driving. I sold it because the outdated battery, slower charging, and other tech when compared to the Model 3/Y. I had no issues with my doors, but only had it for six months and 10k miles.
@@jonathansage2147 Corrected to 2019. This was not my first Tesla. Leasing does not work for me.
I have a 7 seater 2018 Model X and haven't had any issues with the FWD or auto doors. In fact the FWD makes hauling boxes very easy. My previous SUV a BMW X5 there was no way to put a box in the center of the car. I would have to remove all items out of the back of the car and reload as boxes could not get out of the back door. With the X, it's easy! It's also easy for my Mom to get in and out of the rear of the car, she's in her 90's. Love the FWD!!!!
Very accurate review, had the same problems, but to be clear its a "2016 model x" review, my 2020 model x is night and day difference, even the thing with the rain was fixed
Same with the 18's
“why we sold it”
me: instantly clicks
Funny you speak about the 3rd row Model Y. Its officially available for order today. But I agree it seems really small, wouldn't be as roomy as Model lX.
Ha, funny coincidence
That 3rd row is useless
@ 5:08 Jennie said it all......"it feels like a money pit and it feels more sour than it's supposed to feel good about."....I have a 2015 lexus NX and all i changed was front and rear brakes, wiper blades for front and rear window and 2 oil changes per year. I appreciate your video for all the real life problems and costs people go through of owning a Tesla. I am grateful for all the information and insight you provided. I do think you did the right thing in trading it.....I would have traded it long ago....If I paid $78 000 for a car I would not accept creaking, cracking and things falling off.
Your experience is limited to the earlier Model X production years. So you should qualify all your statements as such. Tesla production quality has improved a lot since then.
But it's still a problem. Reminds me of Dacia cars but of course they only cost a fraction of a tesla.
I feel like listening to Jennie's concerns are analogous to my wife's concerns regarding vehicles in general. Thank you so much for this video!
Watching this in April 2023. Would agree that, for those considering a 2016 Tesla model X, you do not want to buy any used Tesla with mfg date prior to 2017 due to issues in design and software upgrades! Is it that these problems are mostly in software design? 🤓🤓 Anyhoo, It's good to watch reviews two years later! Thanks!
In Vancouver Canada we see a ton of Model X cars on the road. Almost more common than the Model S. My buddy with two kids got one (2019 model) and loves it. I really hear you about the creaks from a car that likely had every body panel removed and re-installed for test fitting. Great Video. Super straight forward.
It's nice to know these things because most youtube creators suggest (almost "advertise") to their audience to buy a used tesla. Yet, they forget to mention that most used teslas out there have problems, they are out of warranty and you have to pay a lot of money to fix them. Here in Norway, the moment your car needs to go for a service you pay easily 1000-2000$ just for labour costs and usually if the part you replace is worth 300-400$ you pay easily 2.5 grand.
I mostly enjoy our X but most of what was said in this video is right. In 6 months of ownership I've already had several major repairs under warranty. The heater went out a few weeks ago requiring a 2.5 hour trip with no heat in 35 degree weather to service. My 3rd row seat is currently stuck down and I've read there is a possibility I'll need an entire new 3rd row seat. Several squeaks and noises I've had repaired as well. I was able to get the 4 years 50K mile warranty before it was discontinued from Tesla (2017 P100D). I've paid nothing out of pocket so far, but there is a 0% chance I have this car outside the warranty. Current plan is to hang onto it until the Cyber Truck is released.
Love how straight forward you guys are.
Watching this video in 2022 knowing what happened to used X prices makes me a bit sad. I bet this car appreciated over the past year! Plus the refresh S/X was announced literally 3 weeks after you posted this!
I agree that the Model X is a bit too flashy for me. We bought our 2020 Model X LR in December of 2019, so we’ve had it for about a year now. After a year of having the car, we decided it made more sense financially to sell ours and pick up a Model Y and maybe an ID4 or m3. Over the course of the year we’ve owned the X, we put about 20,000 miles on it with trips from San Diego to Las Vegas and Big Bear. The trip to big bear was a big eye opener for the power for regenerative braking. We topped off our mileage at the super charger in San Bernardino and by the time we got to the camp grounds in Big Bear we were down to 50% charge. On the way back down, we regenerated about 24% and got back to San Bernardino SC with 74% battery. We did have an air condition issues it’s ours as well. Our trip to big bear, the AC wasn’t working at all and blowing out warm air. It turned out the air conditioning sensor was not working properly and the refrigeration was undercharged. After a warranty fix, we didn’t have any other issues.
The biggest appeal for me about the X is the fact that it has a gage and at lease SOME things can be done manually without the tablet. Also, the 3 row seating is nice. The doors seem annoying to me though.
Tesla mobile tech told me that Tesla beefed up the hinges on the gull-doors. Also, they reworked the ultrasonic sensors and made sure that the fit and finish is not an issue. Basically, the gull-door issues have been solved to the point that they are a reason to get the refreshed Model X.
I paid $62k for a BMW 340i in 2016 and sold it in 2019, with 19k miles on it, for $28K. So don’t feel too bad about losing $20k on that Model X. :)
Do you guys every miss the space going from the X to the Y? My wife rode on both a Y and X and immediately loved the space of the X so thats what we went for. I did end up getting a used 2019 and going well so far.
I for one too am not looking forward to the attention of the wing doors, but I still love them.
I'm a huge fan of Tesla and a proud Model Y owner. That's been said, one of Tesla's 2021 priorities has to be quality control and their services (in-house or partnership with others) now that they are going to crossing that chasm to the mainstream customer base.
I can’t wait for you guys to get your Rivian. Really pumped to see that
Agreed. Would be great to get their perspective and compare the 2. I’ve been debating whether to splurge to get the rivian for a more luxurious ride over the MY. I wasn’t impressed when I test drove the MX - it felt old and loud on the hwy. I’m hoping the rivian will have a more luxurious ride befitting of the $70k+ price.
@@Wasabi9111 I don’t think they understand why they have all of these problems, these problems are mainly due to the fact that they got the literal first production batch of a completely new vehicle, it will be the same thing with their rivian and they will have these same problems, they will most likely get these same issues on the rivian and keep complaining bc they don’t really know about this.
All these issues have been fixed on newer X. Yours is the old 1st generation X.
Hey Ben, I saw your tutorial on Lynda. Good to see you on youtube. Thank you very much for the teaching sir.
Thanks guys. I currently have a 2020 LR + and havent really had any major issues. I understand this one is newer though. I have de-activated the Auto door though for the same reason you mentioned Ben. All in all I love my MX especially because of its space for 6 passenger seating. So far so good, and have bo intentions of getting rid of mine. April/2021will be a year since we got ours. Keep the great videos coming🙏🏽
Yes I agree!
Even Tesla build quality will suffer when a company takes it apart, fiddles with it, in a rush, and then parks it.
“Even Tesla???”
"Even Tesla?" Dude it probably came back with better build quality then when it came
@@mohammedayesh3927 Too true.
I have a Model X 2019, my wife also hate the doors so much that I accidentally closed the door once because the key was in my pocket when she was putting our kid , we also think about trade the car and buy a model Y instead, but we live in Taiwan, the model Y may not coming even in late 2021. Anyway, love to see your true experience of this car, take care and stay healthy.
A friend of mine just bought his second model X, he loves them
As much as I am a Tesla fan (even if I don't have one), I believe $150.000.or even $75,000 for any car, electric or ICE is TOOOOOO much money. But if I had money to throw away ( which I don't), I would buy a Tesla because I support the values of the company: accelerate the transition to renewable energy which they do big time !
Seems much better than ice cars that sit around 3 years before using again where you have to flush out the old gas, replace many dirty nasty hoses and other fluids, filters, the interior and exterior might not have fared well, wiring might have been chewed and maybe nests that need to be removed, etc...
Your timing was off by 8 hours. Model Y now has 7seats.
yes, try to get info back seats without FWD.
@@alconaft4343 those seats are useless on the Y
@@DarwinChaug Yes, I think so too.
😂 Tesla moves quick
I got used to the automatic door open on my driveway when i take out trash. It's fine just let it be and when you walk away, the door closes itself. brilliant.
2020 Raven MX, small things but no big issue so far. Loving the car and made the frunk automatic too now that's something everyone would appreciate the automatic doors in Model X comparing to other models. Your wife bringing back groceries while you and kids in the car waiting in the parking lot, and you can just open the frunk by a click, and after she put in the groceries, click to close the frunk and open the passenger door with another click, and close it when she gets in, and then hands her a lysol wipe. Drive the car away without having the pull the key out/her touching the exterior/interior handles.
Perfect car for the pandemic.
Model X is also needed for towing heavy trailers - espacially in Europe. when one want to stick with an EV. Plaid Batteries in it would help that. For having a decent range when towing. And it looks like we in Europe will not have the cybrtrk.
Good video and refreshing to see a really honest owner account of owning a 2016 Model X. I nearly bought one second hand and feel like I dodged a bullet now given the raft of maintenance issues so many face.
I know that the minivan sliding doors don’t look as cool, but if it was ever an option for future Teslas, I’d go with that. Also forward sliding front doors would work well.
WOW! Jan 2021: "AP version 1...works far more reliable" Love my AP1 / hate MCU1. Great video Ben and Jennie...
Did you take advantage of Section 179 tax deduction? That is definitely one huge benefit to the X over all other Tesla models.
Does any car match the Model X’s NHTSA safety stats?
Great video. I had trouble with my 2016 MX. I was backing out of my driveway and my front suspension arm broke. I towed it to Tesla and they said it was a common issue. Luckily I was still under warranty. Thank God I wasn’t driving at a high speed when it happened. I ended up selling mine shortly after getting the repairs done. I love Tesla, but not in a hurry to buy another one anytime soon.
Excellent transparent video. Excellent timing as well. I was considering trading in my model S for model X today. This honest real-world experience made me reconsider some things.
Minus "enhanced autopilot". Replace with "autopilot with convenience features".
Sounds like just buying a standard 90D used from Tesla would have been a better buy. I bought a used 90D from Tesla a few months ago and got another 4 year warranty on a 2017 and got a great deal and for full self driving
I'm wondering if all or a lot of these issues have been resolved since this 2016 version? We ordered a new 2021 Model 3
The important question is are you still friends with who you bought it from?
😂😂😂😅😅😅
You should try test driving a new X and see if you see any major differences in terms of driving/tech
Have a 2019 X Raven, and 2020 P3-. The X is the best car I’ve ever owned. Ive put 75k miles on in 2 years for work and its life changing for me.
Great video! I have been a Model X owner for +3 years and can relate to your comments on flashiness. If you have to open the FWDs, you are always going to get attention. However, regarding the functionality of the FWDs, mine have been great and open fully always/consistently. The earlier models have issues with ultrasonics and newer models have an interior sensor to reduce head bonks. I have had a few things go wrong, but not nearly as much as you. I think some of that may be related to the car being a 2016 and a showcar which had body modifications. That said, Tesla has not been adding significant new tech to the Model X (battery tech, heat pump) so I will be trading the car in this year for a Model Y.
The fancy rear falcon wing doors (like many luxury over-the-top items) are both a blessing and a curse. After hearing them talk if I were buying a model Y I would definitely get the 3rd row seating.
Oh boy. Fingers crossed. We just bought a 2016 Model X with 90k miles, single owner and babied.
Hope it does well for running around town, doing errands etc.
I love how she thinks NOTHING in Mexico could possibly be fancy at 21:00 Ya know cuz it's still just Mexico. This is the type of casual racism that makes people look at you that way, not your car. 👎🏽
Fair assessment of an older Model X. I have a 2019 and have had far less issues. But, my wife and I, are still afraid of the doors!
I sold my 2018 P100D Model X and had non-stop issues. None of them major but still I wouldn't want to keep it past the warrantee.
This is the perfect true ownership review of the 2016 Model X shoppers need to see. I myself love the 6 seat config I do wish the 2nd row folded but its not needed for me. I barely carry more than 3 passengers and was curious of buying a 2016 X and now I know to stay away from the 2016 year version of the Model X. Thanks you Dan and Jennie. What year Model S did you trade the Model X for?
Ben - great video. I have been following you for a while and actually got a used 2015 Model S. Got the unlimited supercharging. I am now thinking about a Model Y or Model X so this video has given some insights. I believe the key thing about EVs is range so when looking into used, I am leaning towards 295 at minimum. Excited to see your new used Model S.
Hey guys I love that someone is speaking about the issues with the older model X. I have a 2016 model X and I went through a nightmare with upgrading my FSD computer and MCU. Long story short Tesla would deny for almost a year that the old MCU does not work with new fsd computer. I got tired and purchased new mcu upgrade. That should not be the case with such an expensive car. My Rivian is coming in June as well :) fyi after getting all upgrades done my x is finally working well, well almost need a new telco modem 😜
How is getting in and out vs the MY? For example, distance to the ground.
Good review for your MX. I get it and understand your moving on. I had to figure that the MX must have a + and - to owning one. I will share my MX is like less than the 1st 700 ever made. It needed a few things fixed or upgraded but it was all taken care of by Tesla. For me I have all the positive reasons to enjoy it and want to keep it forever. I think it will become a unique classic car for sure. When ordered every check box was selected so we did not feel it getting older by being passed by newer models. So many things that this car has can not be ordered anymore which helps bridge the gap between new and old. Just wanted to share that MX ownership differently depends on the car. So YES this car is perfect still and FULLY enjoy it as was meant too by Elons vision.
Thank you for your truthfulness of your experience as always...
Thanks for sharing the honest opinion on your USED model X experience. Used Tesla that is out of warranty can be costly to maintain so glad to see that you're moving on...
YOU JUST SAVED ME!! THANK YOU!
I always come here to up to date! Me and the wife we really looking into getting a Model X because we have 3 little ones. Mainly because the world is moving to EVs and our dad has been speaking about Telsa since the Model S was announce and he finally picked up his 2021 Model 3. The price point was the only thing making me really think about not getting one. Not to mention I was trying to wait and see the Model Y's Seven Seater (hoping for a 6 seater). But if this you didnt drop this video for another 3 months, we would of been Model X owners for sure! You guys hit the nail on the head, with the price not being comparable and when you said the Y over the X made my day because I've been telling my wife this for sometime now 😂 Thanks again for this video! Right on time! Now I'm doing research on this Rivian lol
Hello, I have had my 2016 P90D for two months with 100k miles and bought it used . The only issue I have with the car is range. I live in Michigan and bought it in November. I am getting 450 to 550 Wh/mile in the winter and on road trips close to 425 Wh/mile. Is this what you have experienced or do you think this is due to the cold weather? The highest supercharging rate i’ve got was 94kw and the max rated range I’m getting is 220 miles at 100% but actual driving range is close to 140 miles. Could it be an issue with the battery? Do I need to take it in for service?
Thank you
Your consumption numbers are normal.
They'll have to have a model x-sized suv with regular doors in the next 5 years. Love my pathfinder's size, afraid the cybertruck will be too big.
Great video guys, really good to hear Jenny’s opinion
Seating, yes, (time 14:48) but the Model X also, currently, still has good displays, although there’s evidence to suggest that Tesla is considering moving the S and X to the WTFH?! Model 3/Y single center screen dangling of a stiletto heel rather than integrated into the dash.
My wife felt the same way Jennie did, thats why we sold ours. My wife is very modest and as much as she liked the ride and driving it, she hated how flashy it was. It gets way too much attention for her. It's also why she drives a Y now. Not much difference in size and all the advantages of the new tech and not "as" flashy.
Can you guys try the latest model X and compare it to your 2016 one? I'm really interested in buying the 2022 Model X but after hearing your video, I'm kinda scared now.
Yes! But I think we would probably like it less due to the yoke. Albeit some of the issues with the older model are likely resolved the doors are the same and now you don’t have a steering wheel
are you excited for the Rivian?
I just love Jenny. Her simplicity, humility and authenticity. She is very honest. I would take her recommendation everyday.. Thank you both for sharing this. I have a 2019 M3 and still holding on to my 2011 MDX. I was thinking of going all electric -all Tesla but your comments and review put a lot in perspective. Just the maintenance after warranty will be a nightmare. I will wait for a less sophisticated 600mile E-SUV to replace my MDX . Not sure which manufacturer will be first to market. Once again thank you both for unbiased review.
Rivian looks good for the price the ask vs Tesla, but how about charging network? Would it be really possible to travel long distance on Rivian relying on 3rd party networks?
Hi. Would you say a 2016 90D has the same, better or worse range than a 2016 P100D?
Thanks for very informative video. I used to own a 2017 MX but sold it, mainly because of those FWDs! I think if they do a refresh AND get rid of the FWDs, reduce the price, give it the horizonatl screen like MY, but keep the screen behind the steering wheel, they could sell a lot more of these. You probalby saw Kim Java's video on this, and she makes alot of sense to me.
How many miles are on it?
Buying a car is never an investment (unless it's rare etc), pls stop saying investment haha
When you make money shooting videos of the car it’s an investment
@@kspiegz as a normal joe, you don't though do you, that's what I'm talking about
@@DanLMHYeah, this is my 'issue' with a lot of this stuff. Knowingly buying early VINs, which from any brand is gonna have most issues, as if all. But all part of the game when you want that to happen for the videos, clicks, and $ made from it. We'll see them about his early Rivian too. Just some major caveats vs normal owners.
I actually made money in my chevy volt. It was my personal car that I drive for work. I got the mileage and after 3 years sold it for what I paid for it. Crazy. My tesla. Well maybe not so much but I bought it used too and have saves so much on gas. And in Arizona registration is so cheap for evs. I got 5 years for $100!! I may not be making money but the overall cost is less than people think
Do you guys ever drove test an Audi etron?? I would love to hear you both on it!!
I have a Model Y as well, and my efficiency doesn’t seem to be doing great. Would you both do a video on your Model Y efficiency and tips? I don’t know if mine could make LA>SD on one charge, that seems so impressive to me
2016 is the first line of modx. You cant compare them to a 2018 mod and onwards.
Tesla doesn't do model years my man. Hope you're well and your X is good!
Model X made a fantastic wedding car for my wife and I. I bought a Model Y because its just more practical.
Since its the official "space car" you could take a road-trip down to Kennedy Space Centre...?
I've owned a new 2020 model x long range for almost a year. we debated a Tesla for about 3 years before we bought and went with the X because of the seating capacity. I'm very much like Jennie. The doors & the price are a little embarrassing to me but I just wasn't ready for a sedan (3) and I don't like the billboard screen of the S and now Y. I like that the X dash still looks and functions much more similarly to any other car. What do I tell people? If you're not patient, it's not the car for you. It's quirky. Weird little issues. Not big tech stuff, just odd little things. Biggest issue I've had is with wind noise around the front windows. How Tesla can design the tech in that car, but not make a window that works I find so strange. In all, I've been happy and have found transitioning to an electric car super easy. I had pretty realistic expectations going in. I knew not to expect perfect. It's a tech car, not a fit and finish car which I think a lot of buyers expect when paying $100,000+ for a car. It"s in the price of high end BMW, Mercedes, not that far from an optioned out plug in Volvo XC90 (which we almost got) BUT I think a Tesla can't really be compared to those cars EVEN THOUGH they are in the same price range. It's a computer on wheels, it's just so different. If they put some regular doors on that car. Ah, LOVE ! Still, I like it more than any car I've ever owned and trust me, I'm not a car kind of girl.
I love these things but I’ve seen too many bad review videos, thank for your honesty guys
The New Model X rlly did improve
X was asking for trouble. The S is an all-round great car that does costs very little to maintain.
I'd be sad if they discontinued the Model X. And perhaps if they did a refresh of the interior of the S and X, with a screen similar to the one on the CyberTruck, keeping the screen in front of the steering wheel, and did a minor refresh of the exterior, sales of the X and S would increase.
Do you think the new 2021 Model S and Cyber truck will be better builds or would it be best to wait a couple years before diving in?
Should I get the Model Y Standard or Long Range. I don't plan on traveling much especially due to Covid and my Wife's 7 seater 2021 Kia Sorento. But do you feel as if I will get range anxiety.
Video coming Tuesday on this, thanks for the question
@@BenSullinsOfficial I'll stay tuned, thanks.
We have a late 2019 MX and mid 2019 M3. The kids love the Falcon wing doors and love riding in it. Personally I prefer to drive the M3 and I find the discrepancies in UI between them a pain when I go from one to the other.
That sucks. I worked for Audi and Vw for years and a car out of warranty can be very expensive. And I saw issues all the time of the VIN split didn’t cover known issues to affected vehicles. Better luck on the model S.
We traded in our '13 S and the MCU finally fully broke within a day of the trade! Even with a ~2k trade-in reduction it was time to avoid the further out of warranty costs. Can't wait to get back into a Tesla, thanks for helping make the decision for a Y (or Cybertruck) over the X when that time comes.
The doors are a great party trick until you don't want the attention, completely agree. The doors are too much. But buying a car that was essentially disassembled several times, even with no miles, is obviously responsible for the creaks and quirks.
Ask Jenny if she wants my 2010 Camry, zero problems. 😂
Bro. 2000 Camry here. No problems so far 😂😂😂😂
LOL
So I was ready to buy a Model X when the refresh comes (or if it comes) but not going to lie, this video concerned me. Trying to balance the fact that you had a gen 1 2016 Model X vs how much better it probably has to be in a Model X that was built in 2021 now 5 years later. But 5 years of time won't change the fact that it still has falcon wing doors...
I love the look of the doors, but just like she said, the technical aspect behind it, seem unreliable and compare to a regular car door or even a van door.. when there’s something wrong with it, it just can’t be fixed easily..
15:00 funny I always wanted a X ended up on a Pacifica Hybrid.
We are watching the Pacifica Hybrid! Now if a Model X sized vehicle had sliding second row doors my wife would be all the way! She is not giving up the convenience.
Ben I would love to see a deep dive into the Aptera on your channel.
i hae no idea why (well, ig uess because of the novelty of it) why Tesla didn't do sliding rear doors.
Thanks guys for the honest review and feedback . What is your opinion on model S ? Is it worth to buy it right now or wait for more EV's to come to the market. Or Tesla is going to refresh this vehicle ?
Thank you Ben and Jennie for making this video. I was about a week away from signing papers to buy a Model X. I test drove one long-range version and was lucky enough to borrow a friend's for a few days. My background in vehicle ownership is with Lexus, Audi, and Honda. The one area that I care about in a car is the quality of fit, finish, and longevity of any product I buy. Unfortunately, the research I have done on the Model X and first-hand experience has shied me away from that. I can not justify paying an $80,000 purchase price but getting the fit and finish of a $20,000 to $25,000 car. I appreciate everything Tesla is trying to accomplish but not until they figure out their quality control. I will wait.
I appreciate your honestly and j can tell Ben still lives the S. I have an older S but also hate losing money. I bought mine used and it’s still is Great a p85 with ap1 and I put in the new MCU2. Because of the hatchback. I would only be interested in the Y but my trade in or out right sale would mean I would put out $20k more and lose a sunroof, free supercharging and free premium connectivity. So I will drive mine for a long time.